09/04/1996 - 00003626CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 1996
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Savage called the September 4, 1996, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Diane Savage, Brad Sielaff, Connie Modig,
Larry Kuechle
Members Absent: Dave Kondrick, LeRoy Oquist, Dean Saba
Others Present: Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
APPROVAL OF AUGUST 21, 1996 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to approve the
August 21, 1996, Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
l. (Tabled 8/21/96) PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL
USE PERMIT REQUEST, SP #96-14, BY ROGER SERDAHL:
Per Section 205.07.O1.C.(1) of the Fridley City Code, to
allow an accessory building other than the first accessory
building, over 240 square feet, on Lot 3, Block 4, City
View, generally located at 409 - 57th Place N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to remove the
matter from the table and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:33 P.M.
Mr. Hickok stated the request was presented at the last meeting.
The request is for a special use permit for a second accessory
structure. The petitioner has requested the special use permit
as well as a variance in order to construct a garage at this
location.
Mr. Hickok stated the proposal is to supplement the existing 16-
foot x 20-foot garage with a new detached garage measuring 12
feet x 22 feet. The existing garage is located 5 feet from the
property line on the 57th Avenue side of the property. The
petitioner has appeared before the Appeals Commission. Staff had
recommended denial of the variance request to 22 feet. Staff is
also recommending denial of the special use permit request.
Mr. Hickok stated the issue is that the request compounds
difficulties in a neighborhood that already has existing detached
accessory structures closer to the road than allowed by code,
including one existing on this property. Having another garage
close to the curb creates a compound of structures. There are
also alternatives on the site for consolidation into one garage
at a typical setback. There is also an opportunity to attach the
garage and provide potential living space above the structure.
Options exist on this site that do not require a variance or
special use permit, and will not detrimentally impact the
neighborhoods' open space. For that reason, staff recommends
denial of the request. Staff will work internally to have the
remodelling counselor see if there is any remodelling advice that
can be given to consolidate the dwelling and the garage.
Mr. Hickok stated the petitioner was not present at the meeting.
Ms. Savage stated the petitioner was present at the Appeals
Commission meeting on August 28 and had the opportunity to speak.
The Appeals Commission recommended denial of the request. In
her opinion, the Planning Commission should act on the request.
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to close the
public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:35 P.M.
Ms. Savage stated the petitioner had the opportunity to speak at
the Appeals Commission meeting and had the opportunity again to
be present at the Planning Commission meeting. Mr. Kuechle was
present at the Appeals Commission meeting but all members present
felt there were alternatives. The site is now crowded. Because
of the alternatives to consolidate into one garage, the Appeals
Commission unanimously recommended denial of the variance.
Mr. Kuechle concurred. The existing garage is 43 years old so it
not a particularly valuable structure any more. The biggest
expense that the petitioner would incur would be the removal of
the old garage. He thought the petitioner knew the procedure and
knew to be here. He did not think they needed to be concerned
that the petitioner did not understand the process.
Ms. Modig stated staff had mentioned one reason the petitioner
wanted to keep the existing garage as it is was the cost of
removing the asbestos. Staff checked into the regulations to see
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if the processes were the same for residential and commercial
projects. Has the petitioner been made aware of that?
Mr. Hickok stated yes. The petitioner seemed to be seeking
alternatives. When asked if he wanted to continue with this
process, the petitioner request the City Council act on it.
Ms. Modig stated she talked to some of the neighbors. Those that
she talked to did not have any problems with the request.
Mr. Hickok stated staff received one call from a neighbor who
indicated they had a problem with the request as problem as
proposed. They would prefer to see a consolidation.
Mr. Sielaff asked if the petitioner had any objections to the
alternatives.
Mr. Hickok stated he thought the alternatives seemed to be
something the petitioner may be willing to pursue. He thought
the petitioner was looking for an opportunity for inexpensive
garage space as opposed to a more complicated process. He
thought the petitioner saw the merit of consolidating even though
it is more expensive.
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to recommend
denial of Special Use Permit Request, #96-02, by Roger Serdahl,
to allow an accessory building other than the first accessory
building, over 240 square feet, on Lot 3, Block 4, City View,
generally located at 409 - 57th Place N.E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Hickok stated the City Council would consider this request on
September 16.
2. CONSIDERATION OF A LOT SPLIT REQUEST, L.S. #96-02, BY KEITH
AND DONNA MAAHS:
To split the East 66.50 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision
No. 89 into two separate parcels, described as follows:
Parcel A: The East 33.25 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's
Subdivision No. 89, Anoka County, Minnesota. Subject
to easements, if any.
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Parcel B: The West 33.25 feet of the East 66.50 feet
of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 89, Anoka County,
Minnesota. Subject to easements, if any.
This property is generally located at 1241-43 Norton Avenue
N.E.
Mr. Hickok stated this request came to the City for a lot split.
The structure is a side-by-side double bungalow at 1241-43
Norton Avenue. There was a sense by staff that historically some
of these requests have been approved. Staff wanted to get a
sense of what has happened on lot splits in the past. It seemed
there should be a policy that lot splits should have components
outlined. Lot split requests must meet the following
requirements:
l. A minimum lot area of 10,000 square feet prior to the lot
split.
2. A minimum lot width of 75 feet prior to the lot split.
3. The structure must be proven to meet all minimum building
code requirements for unit separation.
Mr. Hickok stated many of the homes of this vintage were
constructed with a common wall similar to a single-family
residential exterior wall and not quite the fire-wall as required
by the code. With the three items lacking, staff contacted the
petitioners to let them know the lot was substandard and the
structure would need modifications before the request could be
considered. Staff did not hear from the petitioners since they
received the letter. In the future, applications will not be
accepted without meeting these minimum requirements.
Mr. Sielaff asked what the two-hour fire wall was.
Mr. Hickok stated this is basically two finished walls with
sheetrock on either side and an air space in between. It allows
separation in the event of a fire in one of the units and gives
approximately two hours time before it seriously affects the
adjacent unit. The fire wall goes from the foundation up to the
ridge line. Older homes often have open rafters so the flames
can carry across and involve the entire structure.
Ms. Savage asked if staff's memo reflects something new in the
analysis of lot split requests.
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Mr. Hickok stated it reflects something new internally. We have
had four requests for lot splits recently. In real estate, a
unit that has been split can be more marketable. Staff felt it
necessary to have a uniform statement for these requests.
Ms. Savage asked if this petitioner was led to believe they could
apply.
Mr. Hickok stated he did not know details of conversations
lead to their making the application. The application was
accepted but, during the review process, it was determined
property lacked these components.
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Ms. Savage asked if there was a need to inform the public of this
decision.
Mr. Hickok stated the lot area and lot width requirements are
already part of the code and the fire wall requirement is part of
the building code.
Mr. Kuechle stated he did not see it necessary to inform the
public. This is nothing new. It just clarifies the
requirements.
Mr. Hickok stated the City has a number of double bungalow lots
that meet the requirements. It is not unusual. Staff's feeling
is that, in the event a unit should burn or be destroyed, we then
have two owners to deal with on the parcels. If the sites have a
minimum 75-foot lot width, we then have the opportunity to join
them into one lot.
Mr. Kuechle asked if this lot was 8,892 square feet before the
lot split.
Mr. Hickok stated yes. The lot width after the split would be
approximately 33 feet.
Mr. Sielaff asked if this policy needed to be approved by the
City Council and if the City Council had delegated this to staff.
Mr. Hickok stated he thought the Council would be comfortable
with staff making this type of decision. Internally, it boils
down to what staff will accept at the counter as a minimum
standard. Home owners can still go through the process. The
requirements are now a part of the code and the code is very
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clear. With the 60-day agency action law, he felt the City
Council would prefer that staff not accept these types of
applications.
Ms. Modig asked if there are buildings that would meet these
requirements.
Mr. Hickok stated yes.
Mr. Sielaff stated he was trying to separate what is policy and
what is code. Is this something staff is doing to be sure the
code is being enforced?
Mr. Hickok stated the minimum lot area of 10,000 square feet and
the minimum lot width of 75 feet is in the code. The fire wall
requirement is a safety issue. It is a major reconstruction
project and we want to petitioner to be aware of this
requirement. The cost of this reconstruction can be prohibitive
and staff wants to identify that for the petitioner.
Mr. Kuechle stated the two-hour fire wall is a building code
requirement.
Mr. Hickok stated the policy portion is putting this information
together and informing the petitioner at the time they come in to
make the application.
Ms. Savage stated there is no need to notify the public because
this is nothing new. It is just enforcing what is already in the
code.
Mr. Hickok stated this application could have been moved forward
but staff feels this would have been a disservice to the
petitioner.
Ms. Modig asked if there was a time where buildings were required
to have this type of construction.
Mr. Hickok stated it would be easy to go back to the Uniform
Building Code as to what is required between unit. He thought
the fire-wall requirement was changed in 1976 or 1984.
Ms. Modig stated perhaps it would be helpful to state on the
application that any buildings constructed prior to this date
must meet these requirements.
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Mr. Kuechle stated, when something happens to buildings, they
must then be brought up to code. That may be the case here.
Mr. Hickok stated that is a consideration. There is cost
involved and what value this has in relationship to the rest of
the building. Beyond 500 of the value of the structure, it would
require being built to all new standards.
3. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AND ENERGY
COMMISSION MEETING OF JULY 16, 1996
Mr. Sielaff stated these minutes have not been approved by the
Environmental Quality & Energy Commission. The next meeting will
be in October.
MOTION by Mr. Sielaff, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the
minutes of the Environmental Quality and Energy Commission
meeting of July 16, 1996.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
MEETING OF AUGUST 8, 1996
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to receive the
minutes of the Housing & Redevelopment Authority meeting of
August 8, 1996.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF
AUGUST 14, 1996
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the
minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of August 14, 1996.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF
AUGUST 28, 1996
Mr. Kuechle stated these minutes have not been officially
approved. The next meeting is scheduled for September 25.
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MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the
minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of August 28, 1996.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Hickok stated, once the minutes are accepted, he will provide
a copy to members if there are any changes.
Mr. Hickok stated the first draft of the traffic study done as
part of the Home Depot project for the 57th street improvements
is back from Home Depot's consultant. The County and the
consultants for Home Depot will meet tomorrow. The consultants
have outlined a number of options for 57th Avenue. No costs have
been assigned. We are working toward a solution. The Commission
will be kept informed of the progress.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to adjourn the
meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE SEPTEMBER 4, 1996, PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:00 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary