PL 02/19/1997 - 30837�
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COr�IISSION MEETING, FEBRUARY 19, 1997
CfiLL TO ORDER :
Chairperson Savage called the February 19, 1997, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:27 p.m.
ROLL CALL•
Members Present: Diane Savage, LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig,
Larry Kuechle
Members Absent: Dave T{ondrick, Dean Saba, Brad Sielaff
Others Present: Barbara Dacy, Community Development Director
Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
Michele McPherson, Planning Associate
Glen VanWormer, SEH Consultants
Councilmember Billings
R. A. Stinski, 1612 E. Berne Circle
John Gustafson, 5841 West Moore Lake Drive
David Kipp, 761 - 58th Avenue N.E.
� Ann Williams, 5760 Hac]Qnann Avenue N.E.
Virginia Ostlund, 5770 Hackmann Avenue N.E.
Richard Kealy, 5771 Central Avenue N.E.
Dorothy Seaberg, 5685 Jackson Street N.E.
John Thayer, 5843 Central Avenue N.E.
Cheryl Kerner, 941 Hillwind Road
Jeanne White, 475 - 57th Place
Bob Gilstad, 930 Hackmann Avenue N.E.
Ralph Wedgewood, 5871 West Moore Lake Drive
Alice Benson, 640 - 58th Avenue N.E.
Dewey Flaten, 5750 Hackmann Avenue N.E.
Laura Ingebrigtsen, 5831 West Moore Lake
Drive
Jeanne Ingebrigtsen, 5811 West Moore Lake
Drive
Kay Zngebrigtsen, 5811 West Moore Lake Drive
Tim Nelson, 2665 Long Lake Road, Roseville,
Minnesota
APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 5, 1997 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to approve the
February 5, 1997, Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED T�
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. INFORMATIONAL HEARING: I-694 AND HIGHWAY 65 INTERSECTION
IMPROVEMENTS
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Ms. Dacy stated, as part of the staff presentation, she will cover
where they have been in the last year with this intersection issue
and review the purpose of this part of the Planning Commission
meeting on this topic. Then the consultant, Mr. Glen VanWormer
from SEH, will review the plans. SEH is a consulting and
engineering firm under contract with the HRA to complete the
preliminary engineering plans for the Lake Pointe, West Moore Lake
Drive, and Central Avenue intersection.
Ms. Dacy stated the last time that the Planning Commission and the
public saw plans regarding this issue was about one year ago.
MEPC American Properties is under contract with the HRA to market
the Lake Pointe site for corporate office development. MEPC has
until August, 1997, to see if they can find a corporate office
user for the facility. However, since the master plan approval,
the City has taken a number of steps to start the process to make
the intersection improvements at this location.
Ms. Dacy stated one of the steps taken by the City was to make an
application for Federal funding to pay for up to 800 of the costs
of the intersection, and the City was successful in accomplishing
^ that. The City took the plans shown to the public and at the
neighborhood meetings, the Planning Commission and the City
Council, which were essentially the same plans as 10 years ago,
and submitted that to the Minnesota Department of Transportation
(MnDOT) along with an updated traffic analysis. The MnDOT staff
has spent a number of months evaluating the analysis, looking at
the design of the intersection plus the design of the ramps as you
enter and leave I-694, and have had a number of concerns. They
suggested some improvements in addition to the intersection
changes that the City has discussed over the last 10 years.
Ms. Dacy stated the City is now at a point where they are nearly
completed with the preliminary engineering plans, MnDOT has
reviewed and is comfortable with the proposals they have put
together, and the City Council asked staff to hold an
informational hearing to bring the Planning Commission and the
public up to date on the intersection improvements. The next step
is the final construction drawings. They are potentially looking
at going out for bids this fall for construction in the spring of
1998.
Ms. Dacy stated the purpose of the meeting is to bring you up to
date with where the City is at. These are essentially the same
plans as 10 years ago. Mr. VanWormer will go over some
modifications that MnDOT has added to the I-694 ramps and review
the schedule for carrying that out. If inembers of the public have
�'"'� questions or comments, the purpose of this hearing is to ask those
- questions and/or make comments. The Planning Commission is not
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taking formal action. Comments and questions will be part of the
record which will be passed on to the City Council. The City
Council ultimately has to approve the final plans.
Mr. VanWormer stated the project is more than 10 years old. In
the mid-1980's, there was much concern about the operation of the
intersection of Highway 65, Old Central and West Moore Lake Drive.
At the time the plans were being prepared, there was a series of
public meetings, meetings with neighborhoods, it got approval,
plans were prepared, approved by the City Council, sent to MnDOT
where they got signatures but the project was shelved. As part of
the follow-up to that, MnDOT was to do some work on the ramps in
conjunction with the reconstruction of I-694. That has taken
place, but none of the changes that were part of that plan have
taken place. Now, the project is back through a revised funding
source and money is available for the project. The plan went
through an evaluation process and came out with a high enough
priority so there is money available for it.
Mr. VanWormer stated the intersection does have some operating
problems. One of the concerns is the operation and congestion on
Central at Hac]rnlann. There is concern about getting out of
� Hackmann because there are site and distance restrictions. As you
come down Hillwind to Hackmann, traffic takes a shortcut through
the service station. There is also confusion as you come down
Central to make a left turn. If this is your first time through
there and you want to make a left turn to go west on the
interstate, you have to do some jockeying to get into position.
There are a number of operating problems such as these.
Mr. VanWormer stated the original concept as approved and the
plans from 10 years did take care of a lot of those concerns. The
plan they have today is very similar especially in the area of
Central, Haclanann, Hillwind, etc. One of the concerns is that
when you come out on existing Haclanann, it is fairly close to the
intersection on Highway 65. They moved this as far east as they
could go to allow more room between someone coming around the
corner and where you are when trying to pull out. It also
provides a distinct left turn lane if you are coming down Central
to make a left turn to go south on Highway 65. This plan has a
painted median which you can drive across to provide access to
houses. There is a painted left turn lane for those who are
turning into Hackmann. There is a raised island from Hacl�nann all
the way to Highway 65 which also provides a sheltered left turn.
There are two left turn lanes to go south on Highway 65 and one
lane to go across the roadway. The people who are cutting through
the service station will have a direct route and eliminate some of
the circulation problems and conflicts at the service station.
Mr. VanWormer stated, on the west side, one of the concerns is
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that the development of Lake Pointe will generate traffic that
might, under the existing conditions, go up West Moore Lake Drive.
They have reversed it so that Lake Pointe is directly connected to
Highway 65. That should have traffic coming from the development
go directly out to the highway. The plan has tried to provide
specific lanes for movement. There is a through lane, a left turn
lane and a right turn lane.
Mr. VanWormer stated they have also made some changes on Highway
65. They have added a southbound lane so that as you come into
the Lake Pointe/Central intersection, there would be a third
southbound lane which will continue all the way through to the
south of the south ramps. Northbound, there is an added lane
which will continue through and ends as a right turn lane at
Central.
Mr. VanWormer stated the biggest change comes from MnDOT. They
have evaluated the intersection and decided that the movements
onto the freeway if you are going westbound on I-694 and turning
south on Highway 65, you have to weave through the traffic that is
coming up the ramp. They will remove that loop to go south and
instead put in a ramp similar to the one at University or Silver
^ Lake Road and make it a right or a left turn. There will be two
left turn lanes and two right turn lanes which should provide
capacity on that ramp. The same thing would be done for east
bound traffic.
Mr. VanWormer stated the benefit is that it separates the on
movement from the westbound and northbound ramp under a stop
condition from signal lights and will be diverted further away
from the Lake Point intersection. In the report for application
of funds, this section of Highway 65 from Moore Lake south has had
123 accidents in three years. This particular project has been
submitted to MnDOT who reviewed it and has come back with some
changes they suggested to the ramp. They have redesigned it and
sent it back through for approval. It is now there for formal
staff approval which means they are reviewing it is some detail.
The County also has a copy of the plans which they will be
reviewing. They are in the process of reviewing the plan with
different agencies - the state historical society, wetlands, etc.
Mr. VanWormer stated that is the current status. The next step,
if they continue to be approved, is to make adjustments, take into
account any comments that are received, and submit the final
plans. The City Council will approve the final plans before
getting bids.
Ms. Modig stated she did not see how to get onto I-694 going east
�''� as you going north on Highway 65.
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Mr. VanWormer stated that access is the same as it is today.
Ms. Savage asked if these plans would go forward no matter what
happens with the Lake Pointe development.
Mr. VanWormer stated yes, he believed it would because the funding
is separate from any development and the problems have been
identified prior to any development.
Ms. Dacy stated, even without development at Lake Points, the
traffic analysis showed that by the year 1999 the intersection of
Central, West Moore Lake Drive, and Highway 65 would move from a
level of service of D to an F. The Federal funding helped the
City in making the intersection project proceed because the City
will conceivably get that done in 1998.
Mr. Oquist asked who would be responsible for the project.
Mr. VanWormer stated the City has applied for the money. The
Federal government pays 80s of the construction costs. There will
be a cooperative agreement between the City, the County, and MnDOT
for the project. The City will manage the project.
Ms. Modig asked if any more houses would be affected by this.
Mr. VanWormer stated the houses that were removed were on the
west. They are affecting some driveways of houses nearby but not
the houses. On the east side, the area previously obtained for
that connection will be used. No further houses will be taken.
Ms. Modig asked how they have addressed the problem of coming
across Lake Pointe to Old Central. Now, you take your life into
your hands because the drivers turning left do not observe the
right of way for on-coming going straight.
Mr. VanWormer stated he would have to check with MnDOT to be
certain of the plans for signalization and how it operates. This
is set up to have separate turn lanes for the westbound/southbound
type of turn. If the left turn lanes are on a left turn signal
and then stop that traffic, the traffic going ahead can then
proceed.
Mr. Kuechle asked what kind of time line they were looking at.
Mr. VanWormer stated this should be done in one construction
season. It will be done in 1998 so they can start early in the
year and�construct for the year so they are done. They are also
coordinating this with the I-694-University area so they do not
have two projects going at the same time.
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Ms. Savage opened the meeting for public comment.
Mr. Stinski stated he owned an office building on Hillwind. He
thought this was a great improvement for that corner. People from
his office building go through the service station. He thought
that was the reason the road was around there. When coming off
the ramp, is that the same route to get to Hillwind?
Mr. VanWormer stated it is the same route. Instead of having to
merge into traffic, you will come down to a signal, make a right
onto Highway 65, and another right turn.
Mr. Stinski asked how you would get to eastbound I-694 when
driving south on Highway 65.
Mr. VanWormer stated that will be the same. You would take the
loop to go to the east.
Ms. Williams stated she lived on Haclanann on the corner and asked
if they would be changing the elevation on that corner or changing
the landscaping.
^ Mr. VanWormer asked he did not think they are planning to make
many changes in road elevation. He did not know which specific
trees will be affected. The roadway will be widened but he did
not know how that would affect the trees. He had a bigger set of
plans available and could check those after the meeting. They are
planning to complete the trail which would be on the west side and
completed over to the north side of Central Avenue, come across,
and connect into the trail along Moore Lake.
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Mr. Oquist asked if there would be a bridge or a walkway.
Mr. VanWormer stated there would be a signal with walk and don't
walk lights.
Mr. Oquist asked Ms. Williams if she had a concern about the
elevation.
Mr. Williams stated the original plans showed landscaping. Her
property is right at the hill. They took a piece of her property
and changed another driveway. It was all supposed to be
landscaped but nothing was done. It is a concern.
Mr. Kipp asked if, on the drawings, there was still a way to get
through coming from the high school going south on Highway 65.
Mr. VanWormer stated yes.
Mr. Kipp stated that right now there is a yield right of way to
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turn right to go south on Highway 65. The people coming across
have the right of way when they make a left turn.
Mr. VanWormer stated traffic coming east from West Moore Lake or
Lake Pointe making a right turn, when the left arrow is on, they
will have to yield. When the left turn arrow is off, you can pull
out. West Moore Lake Drive will still come down to a stop sign to
go east on Lake Pointe.
Jean Branstrom asked if it was correct that from Old Central and
Highway 65 to 53rd and Highway 65 there would be four stop lights.
Mr. VanWormer stated yes.
Mr. Gilstad stated he was the first house in from the gas station.
Since this proposed road is coming in, it will basically be right
across the street from his house. He works at home and has people
who come over. How long will construction be? He will not be
able to get out of the driveway and his customers will not be able
to come in. He also has small children at home.
Mr. VanWormer stated, although they don't have a detailed plan, he
� did not know what the staging will be. In cases like this because
the whole neighborhood is dependent on this connection, they try
to keep the existing connection open, build a new connection, and
then reroute traffic. It will not be as convenient as it is now.
There will be some staging and construction but there will be an
opportunity to get in.
Mr. Gilstad asked if they would be landscaping the boulevard.
Mr. VanWormer stated another concern about landscaping is the
headlights shining in. He does not have a details landscape plan.
Mr. Gilstad asked if they would be leaving the live oak trees.
Mr. VanWormer stated they try to leave what they can.
Mr. Gilstad asked if there would be three lanes to Highway 65.
Mr. VanWormer stated yes. There would be two left turn lanes and
a through lane. Those turning right would use the through lane.
Mr. Gilstad asked what the distance was between the stoplights to
the proposed intersection. The traffic backs up way back and
there is often a 10-minute wait to get out.
Mr. Van�nTormer stated this will get you a little further away so
� there is more opportunity to enter traffic. At certain times of
the day, traffic backs up. With the way they should be able to
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move traffic through the intersection, you should be able to get
out to the back of the traffic. It is still close, but it is the
best they could do. You may still have to wait.
Mr. Oquist asked if the timing of the lights would change or stay
the same.
Mr. VanWormer stated MnDOT is working on coordination of all
signals along Highway 65 from Columbia Heights to Bethel. He did
not know what the final scheme would be. They will likely be a
long signal.
Mr. Oquist stated the long signals tend to back things up.
Mr. VanWormer stated he thought it would be the same. With two
left turn lanes and a long cycle, you may have to wait one cycle.
Mr. Oquist stated another problem is that afternoon traffic from
such places as Medtronic and Onan creates heavy traffic. He has
had to wait for two or three lights before getting off Old
Central. Has there been any consideration to diverting this
traffic?
Mr. VanWormer stated thought was given to that. As far as this
project, nothing is being done further north. There will be some
back ups.
Ms. Modig stated she has noticed recently that there seems to be a
great increase in traffic going north on Old Central between 5 and
6 p.m. She was not sure where it was coming from because
Medtronic and Onan traffic would be traveling the other direction.
She thought some of that was caused by the fact that Highway 65
is stop and go from 57th on out so they think they can go faster
by getting off on Old Central.
Mr. VanWormer stated he did not know what would cause a recent
increase. When traffic backs up, commuters try to get around it.
In trying the longer cycles at the signals, you may wait for a
longer time but then move through a number of signals without
stopping.
Mr. Wedgewood stated, at one time, someone mentioned putting in
another right turn lane or extending the right turn lane north of
the intersection into Moore Lake because traffic trying to get on
I-694 was backing up onto Highway 65. If that turn lane was made
longer, it would be faster to get onto I-694. Is that turn lane
going in? To turn south onto Highway 65 from Lake Pointe, it is
hard to get going in the winter time. Will the elevation of Lake
Pointe Drive be brought up to the same elevation at Highway 65 so
you don't need a running start to get up there in the winter.
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Mr. VanWormer stated the answers to the questions were yes and
maybe respectively. The south bound right turn lane will become
another south bound through lane so there will be three through
lanes going south through the intersections. That right lane
would basically serve as a back up for the ramp going west.
People who want to turn right into Lake Pointe or West Moore Lake
Drive will have another turn lane so they will widen that point
about 12 feet. As far as the elevation, he did not know. He
knows it is up hill to get to the intersection. He would like to
take care of it but it is a matter of whether the grades can fit.
Ms. Modig asked if any of that construction on that southbound
lane gets into the lake itself. How far will that right turn lane
go onto Highway 65 along the lake on the west side?
Mr. VanWormer stated one option is to push everything out 12 to 14
feet to get the extra lane which gets into the lake. You can also
do a wall. There is a meeting next week with the DNR to look at
what will cause the least impact. The same process was proposed
10 years ago and the DNR gave a permit to the City for the work.
They were renewed for a number of years. There is also some water
� on the east side of the lane. Instead of the drainage ditch, they
will probably put in a culvert. That should help with the water
quality because no sand, etc., would be going into the lake.
Mr. Wedgewood stated he objects to going into the lake to build
the right hand turn lane. Over the last 20 years, there has been
a reason to fill in something on Moore Lake. The area of
Eisenhower Park was filled in. When building the recreational
fields north of the beach, that was substantially the result of
filling in. Wherever there was cattails or mushy soil, it has
been filled in to improve it. Now the City is possibly filling in
a bit of West Moore Lake for a right turn lane. If three lanes
are heading south, at a future juncture, how far do those three
lanes continue across the lake? Does that mean there is no
shoulder any more all the way down? Does this then become a six
lane road and then an eight lane road?
Mr. VanWormer stated there is no attempt to go further north than
is necessary. The area of the lake affected is at the corner and
another area near the corner. It goes back about 500 feet. The
shoulder that is there will be continued to the point of the right
turn lane. They are trying to minimize the impact on the lake and
still provide a right turn lane. There is no intention to carry
the northbound lane through. That lane will stop at the
intersection.
''�i Ms. Savage stated, if a wetland is filled in, you must comply with
the wetlands statutes.
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Mr. VanWormer stated no one wants to harm a wetland for ecology
reasons and because the rules are so strict that it is difficult
to comply. He shares these concerns and will try to minimize the
impact.
Ms. Modig asked if the majority of that lane would be on the south
portion.
Mr. VanWormer stated the additional lane is to provide stacking at
the intersection. The problem they have in the morning when
traffic starts to pick up is that people drive under the green
light fast, cars are stopped, and then they are in the
intersection.
Ms. Thayer asked if they are going to be widening Old Central and
taking away parking lanes.
Mr. VanWormer stated the widening is anticipated south of the new
connection. There will be some to the north. The intent is to
try to retain the parking to the north. He could not say where
the parking will be and will not be. They are removing parking
� from the end of the lake to Highway 65. The summer parking would
have an ending. There may be some problems for the first few
houses.
Ms. Laura Ingebrigtsen stated she liked the intersection plans but
she tended to side with Mr. Wedgewood about the lake. She thought
the lake was important for the wildlife. She lives on the lake
and enjoys the wildlife. She is not the only one that feels that
way.
Ms. Jeanne Ingebrigtsen asked how close they intended to get to
the lake along Lake Pointe Drive. When coming into Lake Pointe
Drive, do they need to come into where the homes were?
Mr. VanWormer stated behind where the houses were located were
trees and shrubs. They will stay. The road is to the south of
the brush. The roadway will extend approximately 20 to 30 feet.
That will be about 10 feet closer than they are now.
Ms. J. Ingebrigtsen stated she thought she had been told at one
time that the road would go straight and she was concerned it
would be within 15 feet of the lake.
Mr. VanWormer stated they have tried to stay as far away from the
lake and the homes as they could.
�� Ms. J. Ingebrigtsen stated she did not like the change to Lake
Pointe Drive. It is confusing when giving directions. She asked
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if the approach to the ramps for the interstate would change.
Mr. VanWormer stated the ramps will follow basically the same
alignment but just adjusted somewhat.
Ms. J. Ingebrigtsen wondered if this would be going through Lake
Pointe.
Mr. VanWormer stated they have not changed any of the volumes so
there should be no change in the noise.
Ms. J. Ingebrigtsen stated they get drainage into the lake. With
more roads there is more drainage. The City fertilizes the park
which goes into the lake and muddies up the lake. They need the
drainage but have conflicts about the use of fertilizer by the
City. They were told they should notify their neighbors not to
use fertilizer but the City fertilizes the park to keep it looking
nice. She has lived here since 1955. In the beginning it was I-
694. Over the years it has gotten bigger and bigger and also .
noisier. She does not like that and that is why she was wondering
about the approach. She is about the tenth house in and she does
not like the noise. This is something that they have to try to
live with. She did not like to have the intersection into Lake
Pointe.
Mr. VanWormer stated the way the intersection is today there is no
traffic coming from Lake Pointe. They will end up with a number
of cars coming out, but they will have to wait. With an office
development, there should be gaps in the traffic but it will be
more difficult early and late in the day. The intersection was
set up as it is to try to keep traffic out of the neighborhood.
No further public comment was received.
Ms. Dacy stated what staff will take back to the final design
process is to look more closely at the landscape features of the
landscape plan. What was mentioned was Mr. Flaten's home, Mr.
Gilstad's home, and Ms. Ingebrigtsen mentioned headlights as you
enter Lake Pointe Drive at Highway 65. They can take a look at
landscaping to prevent lights. There were also at least two
concerns regarding the impact to the lake from the southbound
Highway 65 lane improvement. They will take a close look at what
needs to be done there in terms of accommodating lane expansion.
The Wetland Conservation Act is law. They will need to comply
with that law. If a replacement wetland needs to be constructed,
that will have to be done.
Ms. Dacy stated the next step is to prepare the final design.
This then goes to the City Council in the latter part of this year
for approval.
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Ms. Savage asked if there would be another public hearing at that
time.
Ms. Dacy stated staff would be happy to notify the public.
Mr. VanWormer stated a public hearing is not required, but the
public has the opportunity to comment. If there are controversial
issues, then another meeting would be held to provide information.
Ms. Dacy stated, regarding some of the individual lot owners
comments, she would be happy to contact them directly.
Mr. VanWormer stated they now have the comments. When going into
the final design stage, they can take those into account. He
appreciated the comments and questions.
2. INFORMAL DISCUSSION ON RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING ZONING
CONTROLS FOR MULTI-BAY WAREHOUSE OR SIMILAR TRUCKING-BASED
PRODUCT DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES
Ms. McPherson stated her presentation will include a brief review
^ of the memo included in the agenda packet; a discussion of the
purpose, the problem, and describe the study areas; review a
video; and present their recommendation to the Planning
Commission.
Ms. McPherson stated the City Council established at its
January 27 meeting a moratorium on the construction of warehouse
and distribution facilities with more than 10 docks. The purpose
of the moratorium was to provide time for staff to:
l. Examine the industrially zoned properties in the City and
determine the compatibility of warehouse facilities with
other allowable uses in the vicinity, and
2. Review the number and location of the existing warehouse and
distribution facilities and determine if the zoning on
remaining vacant land should be amended or changed to another
zoning classification.
Ms. McPherson stated the problem is that the City has recently
seen the development of approximately 500,000 square feet of
warehouse and distribution facilities in the last 18 months.
Along with that development has come the increase of resident
complaints regarding truck traffic, parking of trucks parallel to
adjacent streets and the public right-of-way, and noise and odor
problems.
n Ms. McPherson stated, in 1996, the City established the
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neighborhood south of 53rd Avenue as no truck through traffic
routes. In addition to the physical impacts of these facilities,
there are only about 90 acres of vacant industrially zoned land
left in the City. There is about 1,040 acres of industrially
zoned land which is about 170 of the City's land area. Looking at
the remaining vacant land and determining what is the best use for
these properties is also the goal of looking at the City in terms
of what types of industrial uses the City wants to encourage.
Manufacturing uses tend to increase job creation as well as
valuation on the sites thereby increasing the tax base for the
City.
Ms. McPherson stated, in terms of what staff looked at, the City
was divided into three planning areas. The first area is south of
61st Avenue, straddling the railroad tracks stretching from East
River Road to Main Street and south to the City border. The
second area is the northeast part of the City from University to
the easterly City borders and north to Osborne along the Highway
65 corridor north of Locke Park. The third area is north of 73rd
Avenue from University Avenue to East River Road and north to
83rd. It includes some light industrial properties along the
railroad tracks. It picks up the Onaway district and areas next
,—� to the Springbrook Nature Center.
Ms. McPherson showed a video which shows some of the warehousing
facilities in the City.
Ms. McPherson stated the goals of any potential ordinance
amendment would be as follows:
1. Reduce the impact of warehouse and distribution facilities on
residential properties from truck traffic by:
a. controlling their location in the City; and,
b. by implementing site design controls.
2. Encourage uses which provide a significant amount of job
opportunities and which require more complex building systems
(buildings with a mixture of uses tend to have higher
building valuations than warehouse construction).
3. Promote "clean" uses which do not produce fumes, odors, or
require outside operations which may cause noise.
4. Eliminate uses which require significant amounts of outdoor
storage, display, or are already permitted in other zoning
districts (i.e. repair garages are permitted in commercial
districts).
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Ms. McPherson stated staff looked at the three study areas, the
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number of existing warehouse or distribution facilities, whether
they would have possible expansion opportunities on site, the
amount of vacant land adjacent to the facility, and who would be
affected by the facility (i.e. if there was residential property
across the street or nearby). Staff also looked at the average
floor area ratio. The average ratio of docks to floor area which
is approximately 1:5,000 in a warehouse distribution facility
versus 1:14,000 in a manufacturing facility.
Ms. McPherson stated, once staff completed this analysis, they
identified five ordinance amendment options:
1. Do nothing.
2. Amend district requirements for existing industrial zoning
districts.
3. Amend the M-1, Light Industrial, and M-2, Heavy Industrial,
to allow warehouses and distribution facilities as special
uses only.
4. Amend the M-1, Light Industrial, district to eliminate
�� warehouses and distribution facilities as permitted uses.
5. Create a new district entitled "M-4, Manufacturing Only”.
Ms. McPherson stated each option has its advantages and
disadvantages which are outlined in the staff report. The first
option has no advantages while there are a number of
disadvantages. The City does not have any control over the
physical impacts of warehousing and distribution facilities on
� residential properties. Any remaining vacant land would then be
subject to the existing standards of the current ordinance.
Ms. McPherson stated the second option has the advantage of
reducing or eliminating the physical impacts on the remaining
vacant properties as well as any future redevelopment
opportunities the City may realize as properties become blighted
and the City needs to encourage other industrial development.
Ms. McPherson stated options 3 and 4 have really no advantages to
the City and have disadvantages in the fact that a number of
existing facilities would become nonconforming and, with the
special use permit option, the burden of proof is on the City to
deny the special use permit. The amendments do not address the
aesthetic or physical impacts of warehouse and distribution
facilities.
/"1 Ms. McPherson stated option 5 has several advantages and with no
disadvantages identified. The advantages are that it limits the
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locations of warehouse and distribution facilities to those
existing, promotes uses which have less truck traffic, promotes
uses which have higher job generation and building valuation, and
establishes standards to limit outdoor activity or noise, fumes,
and odors.
Ms. McPherson stated staff reviewed the remaining vacant land
inventory of approximately 90 acres of industrially zoned land.
Staff selected seven sites which they felt would meet the need to
be rezoned M-4. This totals about 33.5 acres or about 370 of the
remaining inventory.
Ms. McPherson stated staff's recommendation is to recommend to the
City Council pursuing the following actions:
1. Amend the existing industrial zoning districts to establish
stricter standards for corner lots and lots adjacent to
residential districts.
2. Establish a new industrial district entitled "M-4,
Manufacturing Only", and rezone parcels as appropriate.
^ Ms. Savage asked if staff were recommending both of these actions.
Ms. McPherson stated yes. Staff determined that the best approach
is a two-prong approach - one, to amend the existing standards in
the current districts to encourage stronger standards for corner
lots and lots adjacent to residential districts, and two, to
establish the M-4 district to create a manufacturing only
district, and place some properties within that district to
encourage the development of manufacturing facilities.
Ms. Modig asked, if you did the M-4, Manufacturing Only, district,
does that then allow or have a chance of being spotty all over and
among other types of zoning in the area.
Ms. McPherson stated it is possible. The sites selected out of
the vacant land inventory are within existing M-1 and M-2
districts. The parcels are not contiguous parcels so there could
be "spot" zoning.
Mr. Kuechle asked what kind of manufacturing staff envisioned
coming into the City.
Mr. McPherson stated they envisioned uses similar to what is
currently here. Just down the road from the site at 61st Avenue
is Sheet Metal Connectors, a manufacturer, tool and die companies,
small furniture companies, etc.
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Mr. Kuechle asked if M-4 allows heavy manufacturing. Can you
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envision saying making them strictly manufacturing and end up with
something worse than a warehouse?
Ms. Dacy stated staff discussed that at length. On Main Street is
Kurt Manufacturing and a timber finishing use have from time to
time an odor and the City receives complaints from the residential
area. While the language is not yet developed for the district
and because of the location across from a residential area in some
of the cases, staff wants to be very careful about the exterior
impacts. They would encourage uses that have no outdoor fumes and
a small amount of outdoor storage. The types of impacts that will
not cause problems. Staff will need to take a look at the uses
and perhaps make some exceptions or prohibitions.
Mr. Kuechle stated he also thought the idea of restricting
existing ones would be helpful. If you look at the ones on Main
Street, you can identify those that are problems.
Mr. Oquist stated he is concerned about the present owners of
these properties. If you rezone and put on further restrictions,
that makes it more difficult to develop. Also, if this is changed
to M-4, the City will probably within the first year have a
� request for rezoning. There may need to be controls on that to
prevent that option.
Ms. Dacy stated this gives the City the greater amount of control
and forces evaluation of the proposed use. While it sounds as if
this is manufacturing only, when looking at the uses in the other
districts, some of the special uses are really not industrial.
With 90 acres left, she thought the Planning Commission and the
City Council have to look at what they want to see there.
Mr. Oquist stated he has a tendency to look for businesses and
allow rezoning. It could be putting the burden on the present
owners, and the City should consider that as it goes through this.
Ms. Dacy stated they do need to sit down with the owners of the
properties that are affected.
Ms. Savage stated this sounds as if this is very much in the
preliminary stage.
Ms. Dacy stated this was correct. Staff are convinced the owners
will come back and provide specific information about how the
language should be worded. The City objectives are clear that it
wants to control exterior impacts and the volume of traffic. The
owner's experience can help to write the ordinance.
� Ms. Savage stated she agreed with the goals. She felt the
proposal was going in the right direction. She was in favor of
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adopting the recommendation.
Mr. Wedgewood stated, when the City alters zoning and possibly
impairs the value of that property, what liability does the City
have to compensate the owner for that decreased value. Does this
amount to taking?
Ms. Dacy stated the City has authority to change zoning on
property. A taking technically occurs when there is no reasonable
use of the property. You would hear that in the case of an
industrially zoned property being rezoned as residential. There
are questions of value there but there has been a history of case
law which says that, as long as there is a legitimate public
purpose behind the rezoning action and there is some reasonable
use of the property, the courts have tended to find favor with the
municipality. It is the same uses, same zoning. The only
properties affected are those across from a residential areas.
There is a public purpose established to protect the residential
areas. In her opinion in this case she did not believe that this
was a taking.
Mr. Kuechle stated, in most cases, the property would be of higher
n value as a manufacturing facility than as a warehouse. There are
perhaps fewer potential customers for it because of the limited
uses.
Mr. Oquist asked how long the moratorium would be.
Mr. McPherson stated the moratorium is for 120 days. It expires
at the end of May.
Mr. Oquist asked how long it would take to get this proposed
amendment in place.
Ms. McPherson stated staff is proposing that, assuming the
Planning Commission concurs and the City Council concurs, staff
would come back at the end of March with the proposed ordinance
language for the M-4 and also the amended language for the M-1 and
M-2 and complete the process by the time the moratorium expires.
Mr. Kuechle asked if the Keller proposal would be affected by the
moratorium.
Ms. McPherson stated it is a distribution activity but it is under
the 10 dock limit so it is not affected.
Mr. Oquist stated, other than being concerned about the present
property, etc., he liked what this is attempting to do.
� MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to recommend the
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City Council pursue the following actions:
1. Amend the existing industrial zoning districts to establish
stricter standards for corner lots and lots adjacent to
residential districts.
2. Establish a new industrial district entitled "M-4,
Manufacturing Only", and rezone parcels as appropriate.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3. REVIEW 1997 CODM�lUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT GOALS AND
OBJECTIVES
Ms. Dacy stated, in response to the previous meeting, staff has
provided the Planning Commission with a copy of the 1997 goals and
objectives for the Community Development Department. Also
attached is a copy of the survey taken of the City Council members
and the HRA and the results of that survey. The comment from the
Commission to the City Council is that you want to get involved in
^ some of the bigger things and look at the big picture for the
community and participate in that decision-making process. Each
department is now working on their 1998 goals and objectives. Any
comments received at this meeting will be incorporated into the
process to recommend that to the City Council.
Ms. Dacy stated she gave the Commission the 1997 goals and
objectives because Councilmember Bolkcom has talked about the
exercise that staff put the City Council through last February.
Staff asked them to imagine driving down University Avenue and
Highway 65 in the year 2000 and asked what they wanted to see.
They identified 12 or 13 items they wanted to see accomplished by
the year 2000. In order to accomplish some of those�objectives,
staff backed those into current years to see what staff needed to
do in order to accomplish that.
Ms. Dacy stated, in general, their priorities from the City
Council have been Lake Pointe, the southwest quadrant, and
housing. Staff have accomplished a significant portion of those
priorities. At Lake Pointe, MEPC is under contract, they have the
indirect source permit, and they are moving on the intersection.
On the southwest quadrant, half of the units are under
construction and they hope that next year will be better. In the
housing area, the City has a very successful revolving loan
program. The Center for Energy and Environment (CEE) is providing
one-stop service for home owners wanting to improve their homes.
� The City has also started a dual track process where the HRA has
allocated funds for a focus neighborhood. The Hyde Park area was
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where they decided to start first. That was the neighborhood that
has the highest number of poorer condition housing. The goal is
to get people out improving their properties.
Ms. Dacy stated staff has a busy 1997. The priorities are to
continue with the redevelopment projects, evaluate a point of sale
ordinance, and to try to get off the ground a more aggressive
systematic code enforcement program.
Ms. Dacy stated, in 1996, the City adopted the junk vehicle
ordinance. Mr. Schneider places a placard on the vehicle. The
owner then has five days to get rid of it. For this year, the
plan is to systematically inspect half of the City. They are
trying to team code enforcement with the fire department, police
department, etc.
Ms. Dacy stated staff has enough work for 1997 to take them
through 1998. A State statute mandates to complete a new
comprehensive plan by the end of the 1998. The City Council and
Planning Commission need to find what the right mixture of citizen
participation for planning is to get a vision of what you want to
accomplish for the City asking the questions what do you want and
� how does it get there?
Ms. Savage stated, as she looks through the goals and objectives,
this looks excellent. She likes the idea of a beautification
grogram which improves the image. All the goals are moving in the
right direction.
Ms. Dacy stated the beautification was also a part of the goals
and objectives for 1996. Because there are other issues that come
up, some of these things do not get done.
Mr. Oquist stated they needed to look at programs long term. A
garden is fine for beautification as long as people are there to
maintain it, but there must be some things the City can do for the
long term. He felt these goals and objectives were aggressive for
1997.
Ms. Modig stated, when they talked about making some rules
regarding paving driveways, she thought the Planning Commission
decided to leave it as it is. Is that correct?
Ms. Dacy stated the City Council did adopt the ordinance for the
first reading to require those who have gravel driveways to pave
their driveways. At first they had a five-year timeframe. The
attorney stated to make it a part of the law now and the City can
choose not to enforce it for the agreed upon timeframe. The City
� has notified affected owners that the City will agree not to
enforce or prosecute under the ordinance for a period of five
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years. The City Council was willing to pass it for first reading.
One councilmember was concerned about the financial impact for
some of the owners. The City hired CEE to try to contact each
owner that is affected to try to determine that. Some owners have
completed their driveways, others will wait the five years.
Others have not responded. CEE submitted a report last week about
the status. The next step is for staff to prepare a report for
the City Council. Staff recommendation is that they adopt the
ordinance for final reading. Many seniors stated to the City
Council that they could not afford this.
Mr. Kuechle asked how many driveways in the City are not paved.
Ms. Dacy stated staff thought it was about 250 to 300. Some areas
have more than others, but they are scattered across the City.
Mr. Oquist asked if there was notification to potential property
buyers. During that five-year period, homes could be sold and the
new owner may not realize that this is a requirement.
Ms. Dacy stated they are not required to do so under the law.
That is an issue for staff to evaluate. Administratively, staff
� were planning to sent a letter to the people on the list on an
annual basis to remind them.
Mr. Kuechle asked what they thought the costs would be.
Ms. Dacy stated there is a range of costs depending on the length
of the driveway. The typical cost for asphalt was $1,000 to
$1,200. Staff was trying, as part of CEE's work, to get a list of
people willing to go into a volume contract in order to get a
better price. However, the response is not as good as they had
hoped.
Ms. Savage asked what their idea was for the trailer parks.
Ms. Dacy stated the City manager prepared that part. There is no
staff objective to redevelopment trailer parks. She thought the
City manager was trying to give the City Council and HRA a series
of options on different types of housing.
Mr. Oquist asked if they were planning to do anything about the
junkyards.
Ms. Dacy stated that was identified in the winter of 1996 to
evaluate in 1997. What came up between that time and now is there
has been more attention now in Hyde Park. They had Home Depot
coming in and the traffic analysis. The Appeals Commission will
� be seeing a request for a strip mall west of the former Dick's
Wheel on the north side of 57th Avenue. The developer is putting
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together his own redevelopment plan. The spotlight has shifted to
Hyde Park and 57th. She did not think staff would be able to
touch the issue of the junkyards this year.
Ms. Modig stated Crysteel truck company have tall storage racks.
The City gave Menards a hard time because they were putting their
storage racks above the fence line. Crysteel has racks about 10
feet higher than the fence. That area is becoming an eyesore and
they keep adding to it.
Ms. Dacy stated perhaps staff should add that as an item. The
industrial land moratorium and the telecommunications moratorium
have thrown off their schedule. That is another reason why it
takes longer than we expect.
Ms. Dacy stated Ms. Modig raised a good point about the appearance
of that particular area. Perhaps staff should put on the list to
be more aggressive on the code enforcement.
Ms. Modig stated, when the offices were first built, that area
looked quite nice. Now there is cardboard or similar materials
covering the inside of the front doors of the building. The area
of 73rd and Central is starting to get worse.
Ms. Savage stated perhaps one of the reasons it is not a high
priority is because it is not as visible. When you have occasion
to go there, it is a mess.,
Ms. Modig stated she drives by there everyday. This is not a good
image for the City. She liked the ideas that are included in the
list.
Ms. Modig asked, regarding the intersection at Highway 65 and
Central, when talking about implementation and affecting the
wetland, there is a drainage ditch to the east side. Is that
affected by the wetlands law?
Ms. Dacy stated, on the west side, they will have to address the
wetlands act. She was not sure about the east side.
Ms. McPherson stated, under the 1991 Wetland Conservation Act,
drainage improvements are one of the activities that are exempt
from replacement. They may have an issue with the watershed
district because they have more stringent requirements. In terms
of the State law, that is an exempt activity. In this case, it
may be more beneficial to the lake because not as much silt or
sediment will be dumped into the lake.
Mr. Oquist stated he assumed that, as staff are going through
these things, they will be coming to the Planning Commission for
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assistance.
Ms. Dacy stated they would be doing that. She is to be meeting
with the City Manager to discuss the 1998 goals and objectives.
After that is drafted and put together, she will instruct staff to
put that on the agenda for review.
4. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION
MEETING OF JANUARY 6, 1997
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the
minutes of the Parks & Recreation Commission meeting of January 6,
1997.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED T�
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY & ENERGY
COMMISSION MEETING OF JANUARY 21, 1996
MOTION by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the
minutes of the Environmental Quality & Energy Commission meeting
�,.� of January 21, 1997.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CEAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the
meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED TSE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE FEBRUARY 19, 1997, PLANNING COr�lISSION
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:16 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
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