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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING CONIl�IISSION N�ETING, SEPTEI��R 3, 1997
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Savage called the September 3, 1997, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Diane Savage, Dave Kondriek, Dean Saba, Brad
Sielaff, Connie Modig
LeRoy Oquist, Larry Kuechle
Barbara Dacy, Community Development Director
Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
Maynard Nielson, 7144 Riverview Terrace
Delores Hartos, 6200 Starlite Boulevard
Barb Thorstad, 6211 Starlite Boulevard
Sylvia Lindgren, 6181 Starlite Boulevard
Craig Hartos, 6200 Starlite Boulevard
Councilmember Bob Barnett
APPROVAL OF AUGUST 20, 1997, PLANNING CONIl�lISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the
August 20, 1997, Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECI�ARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP
#97-06, BY DELORES AND CRAIG HARTOS:
Per Section 205.07.O1.C.(1) of the Fridley City Code, to
allow construction of a second garage on Lot 16, Block 4,
Sylvan Hills Plat 3, Generally located at 6200 Starlite
Boulevard N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Modig, to waive the
reading of the public hearing notice and to open the public
hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CEAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED TEE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC AEnRT*�G OPEN AT 7:32 P.M.
Mr. Hickok stated the property is located on Starlite Boulevard
and is zoned R-1, Single Family, as are all the surrounding
properties. To the west of the property is the railroad line.
Located on the property is a single family home. Behind the home
is a 22 foot x 22 foot detached garage. There is also a 10 foot x
28 foot accessory structure on the northwest corner of the
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property that encroaches 5 feet into the utility easement.
Mr. Hickok stated the request is to allow for the 22�foot x 22
foot garage to be moved back to where the 10 foot x 28 foot
structure once stood and to locate the garage 5 feet from the
property rear line and outside of the utility easement. Then a
new garage measuring 24 feet x 38 feet would be constructed. The
proposed new garage has a narrow front and is deeper than the
typical garage. On the west elevation of the proposed garage will
be a single garage door to allow access between the two
structures.
Mr. Hickok stated, as discussed, the petitioner is proposing to
keep the current 22 foot x 22 foot existing garage but to move it
back on the site. In order to do this, the 10 foot x 28 foot
structure will be removed. The total square footage for the
accessory buildings being considered is 1,396 square feet. The
maximum allowed is 1,400 square feet. The purpose of keeping the
22 foot x 22 foot structure is to provide storage for firewood,
lawn and snow equipment, and to provide shelter for the dogs when
they are left alone.
^ Mr. Hickok stated staff recommends that the Planning Commission
recommend approval of the special use permit to the City Council
with the following stipulations:
1. The structures shall be architecturally compatible with the
existing dwelling.
2. Neither accessory structure be used for a home occupation.
3. The 10 foot x 28 foot structure shall be removed within three
months of completion of the garages; a demolition permit
shall be obtained.
4. Proper moving and building permits shall be obtained prior to
construction starting.
5. The second garage (22 foot x 22 foot) shall not be located in
the utility easement.
Mr. Kondrick asked if there were any special setbacks other than
that the existing garage not be located in the utility easement.
There is no other dispensation granted by the Appeals Commission
to allow the buildings to sit where they are. The setbacks are
met.
Mr. Hickok stated this was correct.
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Mr. Kondrick asked if staff had received any comments from the
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neighbors.
Mr. Hickok stated staff had received no comments.
Mr. Sielaff asked how big the site was.
Mr. Hickok stated the site is 11,250 square feet.
Mr. Sielaff asked what was the percentage of lot coverage when
taking into account the house and accessory structures.
Mr. Hickok stated the total coverage will be 21.9a. 25% is the
maximum allowed coverage.
Ms. Savage asked the petitioner had any problems with the
stipulations.
Ms. Hartos stated she did not, except the demolition permit for
the shed.
Mr. Hickok stated, however the petitioners chooses, the shed would
be a third building and must be removed. In order to do that, if
^ the building were going to be demolished, they would need a
demolition permit. If the building is to be moved, they would
need a moving permit.
Ms. Hartos stated they had planned to tear down that building
before construction.
Ms. Hartos stated the garage to be moved is about 10 years old and
in good shape. The shed is more make-shift. This will look much
nicer. It was her idea. She could not see a good garage going to
waste. She started the plan to tear down the shed, move the
existing garage and build a new garage. The existing garage will
make good use for storage space.
Mr. Kondrick asked if the petitioners had any problems with the
buildings being architecturally compatible.
Mr. Hartos stated everything would be the same. The garages would
be sided the same as the house, and they will be the same color.
Ms. Savage asked if the petitioners had heard any complaints from
the neighbors.
Ms. Hartos stated the two neighbors are at the meeting.
One neighbor stated she had no complaints. She just wanted to be
� sure that the garage would not be used for a home business. That
concern was cleared during the staff report.
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Ms. Hartos stated another neighbor had planned to attend to
support the request.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to close the
public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLPiRED TEE
MOTION CARRIED AND TEE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:40 P.M.
Mr. Kondrick stated he drove by the site and saw what they are
going to do. He has no problem with the request as long as the
petitioners are comfortable with the stipulations.
Ms. Modig stated she had no problems with the request. She
thought the proposal would be an improvement for that property.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend
approval of Special Use Permit, SP #97-06, by Delores and Craig
Hartos, to allow construction of a second garage on Lot 16, Block
4, Sylvan Hills Plat 3, generally located at 6200 Starlite
Boulevard N.E., with the following stipulations:
^ 1. The structures shall be architecturally compatible with the
existing dwelling.
2. Neither accessory structure be used for a home occupation.
3. The 10 foot x 28 foot structure shall be removed within three
months of completion of the garages; a demolition permit
shall be obtained.
4. Proper moving and building permits shall be obtained prior to
construction starting.
5. The second garage (22 foot x 22 foot) shall not be located in
the utility easement.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CEAIRPERSON SAVAGE DEr?:A'�LD THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Hickok stated the City Council would consider this request at
their meeting of September 22.
2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A REZONING, ZOA #97-03, BY
THE CITY OF FRIDLEY:
To rezone property from R-3, General Multiple Family
Dwelling, to R-1, Single Family Dwelling, on Lots 2 and 21,
� not taken for street purposes, and all of Lots 4 through 10
and 14 through 20 of Block 20, Fridley Park, as recorded at
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the'Office of the Anoka County Recorder, generally located at
the northeast corner of 61st Avenue and East River Road.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to waive the reading
of the public hearing notice and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC BEARING OPEN AT 7:43 P.M.
Ms. Dacy stated the site is located in the northeast corner by
East River Road and 61st Way, and encompasses the entire block.
The property is zoned R-3, General Multiple Family Dwelling, and
is surrounded by R-1, Single Family, to the north and west. To
the south, the Commission acted to rezone the CR-1, General
Office, to M-1, Light Industrial. A 30,000 square foot warehouse
complex will be constructed on that property.
Ms. Dacy stated this request is to rezone the 3.1 acre site from
R-3, General Multiple Family Dwelling, to R-1, Single Family. The
request is being proposed by the City of Fridley. When the
development and the rezoning occurred on the property originally,
there was a development agreement approved. Because no
^ development occurred on the property, the direction was clear that
the zoning was to revert back to R-1. This action happened on
this site in 1984. At that time, the current owner had proposed
to develop 28 loft townhomes on the site. The developer was
unable to follow through with the development and to comply with
the stipulations.
Ms. Dacy stated, when staff analyze a rezoning, they look at a
number of factors. In this case, because the rezoning is back to
the original zoning that was on the property in 1984, it would be
consistent with the zoning historically. Under the current plat,
12 to 15 single family lots could be developed under the R-1
zoning. The R-1 district, as well as R-3, allows churches,
nursing homes, convalescent homes, and other similar types of uses
by a special use permit. It is conceivable that the Planning
Commission could see a special use permit request for this site.
Ms. Dacy stated staff wanted to point out that the R-3 zoning
works for this site as well even though this application is being
proposed to be consistent with the 1984 action. Because the site
is located just to the north of an industrial area and to the
south edge of a single family area, it forms a good transitional
type of piece. The size of 3.1 acres is large enough to
accommodate berms or other types of landscaping for additional
screening if so desired by the neighborhood. It is located near a
railroad which is just to the east. Sometimes that may not be as
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Ms. Dacy stated, despite the recommendation to rezone back to R-1,
it is just as likely that the Planning Commission may see a
rezoning request in the future to go back to R-3 because of the
parcel's location and it would be an opportunity to create a
different housing style.
Ms. Dacy stated staff recommends the Planning Commission recommend
approval to the City Council to rezone the property to R-1, Single
Family.
Ms. Modig asked if staff was saying there is still the possibility
that the Planning Commission may be asked to rezone this property
again back to R-3 because of the type of property it is.
Ms. Dacy stated yes, this is possible.
Ms. Modig asked, if the Planning Commission chose not to rezone
the property, what negative thing would happen.
Ms. Dacy stated she did not know that there would be any
negatives. A rezoning application gives the City the maximum
amount of discretion. It also requires a 4/5 approval by the
Council. It offers the Planning Commission and City Council more
control. If the property remains R-3, a development could occur
on the site as a permitted use, and the Planning Commission and
City Council would not have the ability to look at the project in
some type of detail. There was an option discussed with the City
Council of amending the development agreement and keeping the
zoning the way it is, but it was determined it would be more
appropriate to rezone the property to R-l. Any new request that
would come through would have to go through the same type of
scrutiny as any other request.
Mr. Nielson stated he is the owner of the property. He would like
to keep the zoning R-3. He is working with two contractors at
this time. He thought a higher density development would be
better for this property. He has not had much luck getting anyone
to purchase the property for single family use.
Mr. Kondrick asked the petitioner why he would prefer to have the
zoning remain R-3.
Mr. Nielson stated he had a contractor recently interested in
building 12 townhomes and another contractor who called today also
interested in building townhomes. He would like to develop the
property.
Mr. Kondrick asked how much of a hardship would it present if the
property were rezoned to R-1.
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Mr. Nielson stated he would probably be back within one year to
rezone back to R-3.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to close the public
hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CIIAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIID AND TEE PUBLIC BEARING CLOSED AT 7:50 P.M.
Mr. Saba stated he is concerned about putting the owner through
hoops by rezoning. In looking at the location, there is not a
good chance that will be developed as R-1. It is more likely to
be developed as R-3. The request is to go from R-3 to R-1, with
the probability it will go back to R-3 again. He did not
understand why they are changing the zoning. He does understand
that they have more latitude in the development of that area.
However, the site is located next to the railroad and just north
of property zoned M-1. To him, R-3 would make an ideal buffer.
Mr. Kondrick agreed. He wondered if he was missing something.
Since there is M-1 across the street and other housing one block
away, it seems this would be a good spot for transitional housing
or multiple family housing. He did not see why they should do
this.
Ms. Dacy stated the Planning Commission does not have to agree.
If the Commission feels the current zoning is what you believe
should remain on the property, then the motion can reflect that.
The intent behind the application is essentially to start all
over. The 1984 application could not happen for a variety of
reasons. The analysis was that, if it is rezoned to R-1, then any
development would have to meet today's standards, would have to go
through the process including a public hearing, and involve the
people in the neighborhood. If you feel R-3 is more appropriate,
the Commission has the option to recommend denial of the request.
Mr. Kondrick stated putting single family houses there is a
possibility if the property is zoned R-1, but nothing has happened
since. He does not think they would put houses there.
Ms. Savage stated her concern is that they should not be making
decisions themselves without the opportunity for a full hearing.
We would be making the decision that the property should be R-3.
It seems to her that this is not for the Planning Commission to
decide because they do not have the full opportunity for
interested parties to have a say, to have their due process which
is the opportunity to be heard. Why should we decide that this
property should be R-3 without going through the procedure that
would be set up?
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Ms. Modig stated the property is currently zoned R-3. The
process, if that was a problem, would not have taken place.
Unless she is misunderstanding what staff is saying, by going back
to R-1, it gives us some input as to the type of R-3 housing that
goes in there. If the property remains R-3 and staff referred to
today's standards, whatever development goes in there has to meet
the current criteria. The advantage to the Planning Commission
putting the zoning to R-1 is that no one could put in a
development without first coming through the process.
Ms. Dacy stated that is correct.
Mr. Kondrick stated he understood they would have more control if
the zoning was R-1 rather than R-3.
Ms. Dacy stated this was correct.
Ms. Sielaff stated staff inentioned that a special use permit could
be obtained. For what purposes would such a permit be required?
Ms. Dacy stated the R-1 and R-3
special uses such as churches or
size of the site, you could see
� either zoning. The special use
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Ms. Dacy stated in 1984 the City rezoned the property subject to
the execution of a development agreement based on 28 loft
townhomes. The developer could not construct the loft townhomes.
The City proceeded to pass the zoning to R-3 with the development
agreement stipulations. While there is an option that would
renegotiate the development agreement to something different under
today's standards, the City Council felt it was appropriate to
initiate the process to rezone the property back to R-1. Any
development would require the petitioner to file a new petition,
the City would have to notify the surrounding people within 350
feet and would involve the public in that new plan. That gives
the City control to evaluate the request to zone back to R-3.
Ms. Savage stated this also gives all interested persons an
opportunity to be heard.
Ms. Modig asked, if the Commission were to rezone as R-1 and the
owner comes back next year to request R-3 zoning, is there a way
we can put on a time certain so this does not keep coming back
year after year. It seems like a lot of paperwork and a lot of
wasted time. She likes to think that the City could look at those
things and have some input about what goes on the property and the
type of use. If reverting this back to R-1 gives us greater input
and control, that would be an advantage. Otherwise, she thought
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they were just changing numbers.
Mr. Sielaff stated part of the issue is also getting input from
neighbors.
Mr. Kondrick asked if they should be thinking about rezoning any
other R-3 properties to R-1 so we have control.
Ms. Savage stated this property is unique because the contractor
did not fulfill their obligations.
Ms. Dacy stated the only other substantial piece of property zoned
R-3 that was developed recently was the Harstad townhomes east of
Highway 65. There are no other vacant parcels zoned R-3 at this
time. There are spots zoned R-3 here and there but the majority
are developed.
Mr. Saba asked if this would be treating the matter of rezoning
rather lightly and not sticking to a zoning plan. He has a
problem with changing the zoning from R-1 to R-3, then R-3 back to
R-1 without a specific plan for development. We still have some
control if the zoning is R-3. The intent is to develop the
n property as a townhome development as it was intended in 1984. He
has a personal issue with just changing the zoning for the sake of
changing the zoning to have control.
Ms. Savage stated she sees this as a unique situation where in
1984 a request was approved to allow loft townhomes to be built.
There was a plan and a project, but that did not happen. Right
now there may be in the future a similar plan but it is not before
us now. She thought this was more procedural. This is reverting
back to what it was before because the agreement was not carried
through. She personally would concur with staff's recommendation.
If there was a plan in front of us, that is different but we do
not have a plan and may not for another year.
Mr. Saba stated that is the issue he has. They do not have a plan
for R-1. The location is next to the railroad tracks and across
from M-1. He did not see that as a prime development for R-l. He
thought the City wo�uld see a request in one year to go back to R-
3.
Ms. Savage stated she thought the main concern is that this will
give people the opportunity to be heard. There was a hearing in
1984 where the neighbors had the opportunity to be present and
express their views. That is not happening now. She thought that
needs to occur. That is a fundamental due process of the law that
people can be heard, and she thought that was the intent of the
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Mr. Saba stated they were holding a public hearing now and people
had the opportunity to be heard, but few people are at this
meeting. He thought that was due process.
Ms. Modig stated she is going back and forth. She sees what the
City wants to do and understands it, but she also thinks the
property is not viable and has not been for all this time for
single family. It was R-1 for years, and nothing happened.
Nothing happened on it with R-3 either. She thought they would be
spending more time down the road going through the same process
and argument. If the Commission chose to leave the zoning as it
is, because the developer has to come in for building permits,
submit a site plan, and meet certain criteria, she really does not
understand how much more input they would have by changing the
zoning than not other than a public hearing. She thought that was
valuable, but there was a public hearing tonight. The mailing
list would be the same. There was no interest now.
Mr. Nielson stated he also owned the 1/2 block that is vacant to
the north of this block which is zoned R-1. The rezoning would
only affect 4 houses. There is only one house that faces his
property and that is across East River Road. It is not really
affecting anyone.
Mr. Sielaff stated, as he read the public hearing notice, he did
not get all of the issues that were discussed tonight. If he were
part of the public, he would not get upset about it because he
would not know what the issues were.
Ms. Modig stated the rezoning would still be the same. If there
is no interest in the rezoning, why rezone the property. The
mailing list was quite extensive and included a number of
commercial properties.
Mr. Kondrick stated he thought any resident driving by there would
conclude multiple family would be better there than single family.
The railroad tracks are there. Industrial land is to the south.
When the zoning changed from R-1 to R-3, the neighbors had the
opportunity to have their say. He likes the idea of having
control but after hearing discussion he would prefer to have the
zoning remain the same. The City sent out notices that the
rezoning is an issue but there were no responses. Personally, he
also feels the property would best serve the citizens for a
multiple family use.
Ms. Savage stated she did not disagree with that. They do not
know what will be going up there. They do not know the type of '
multiple family dwelling that would go up there. If the zoning is
R-3, there is not the same control as to what type of multiple
dwelling can be erected there. There was a concern voiced in the
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surveys about multiple family dwellings. Part of it is the fear
of crime. If the people knew there was going to be some type of
development going up, they would come. If they find out there is
a development that they might not want in their neighborhood, they
would come. She understands the concerns being expressed that the
property is not a suitable property for single family dwelling
area. She still feels though that it is important to wait until
there is an actual project that is going to be there and to have
an opportunity for everyone to have their say. She did not think
they should be concerned with the extra time and paperwork when it
comes to letting people decide what type of property they want in
the City.
Mr. Sielaff asked what happens at this point to the previous
development agreement.
Ms. Dacy stated a resolution passed by the City Council declared
the development agreement breach. Because the developer could not
fulfill their obligation, the agreement becomes null and void.
The re.solution instructs the City to initiate the rezoning process
back to R-1.
,� Mr. Sielaff stated an alternative would be not to rezone the
property. Would the City then need another development agreement?
Ms. Dacy stated, because the City Council has taken action to
consider the agreement breach, they can no longer use the original
agreement as a negotiating tool. It would be left to building
codes and zoning codes. If there was a proposal for owner
occupied townhomes, there is the possibility of a plat application
which would go through the process. A developer may request a
variance which would go through the Appeals Commission. There is
a possibility there may be a public involvement process. But the
developer could also submit a plan that meets all the
requirements, and they would have to then use the existing
standards.
Mr. Kondrick asked, if the Commission left the zoning as R-3,
would they lose control of the density on this property.
Ms. Dacy stated whatever the R-3 zoning stipulates would have to
be adhered to. If they met the letter of the law for R-3, then
they would have to issue the building permit.
Mr. Kondrick stated, if the zoning were R-1, we would have more
control over the density.
Ms. Dacy stated, in that case, they would have to file a rezoning
^ application and then you get into the discussion of whether this
is a good site for R-3. You still have the density requirements
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to act as a guide. Through the rezoning process and site plan
review process, you may be able to control that a little more.
Mr. Kondrick asked if they could control the quality, design, etc.
He is willing to do that if they could exercise some power. He is
not hearing that staff is saying that.
Ms. Dacy stated this is not the same as the southwest quadrant.
In the past, the City Council has based the stipulations as part
of the rezoning request to control some issues such as
architectural exteriors, etc. Each case has different
circumstances. She cannot say they would have total control by
rezoning back from R-1 to R-3.
Mr. Saba stated this is difficult. He would like to restrict R-3,
but in this location he personally cannot see rezoning the
property to R-1 and then back to R-3.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend denial
the Rezoning Request, ZOA #97-03, by the City of Fridley, to
rezone property from R-3, General Multiple Family Dwelling, to R-
1, Single Family Dwelling, on Lots 2 and 21, not taken for street
� purposes, and all of Lots 4 through 10 and 14 through 20 of Block
20, Fridley Park, as recorded at the Office of the Anoka County
Recorder, generally located at the northeast corner of 61st Avenue
and East River Road.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, WITB MS . MODIG, NIlt. SABA AND 1�IIt. RONDRICR
VOTING AYE, AND MS. SAVAGE AND NIlt. SIELAFF VOTING NAY, CBAIRPERSON
SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED BY I�iJORITY VOTE.
Ms. Dacy stated the City Council would consider this request at
their meeting of September 22.
3. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT,
ZTA #97-01, BY THE CITY OF FRIDLEY:
To recodify the Fridley City Code, Chapter 205, entitled
"Zoning", in order to regulate the location of pawn shops,
pawn brokers, and second hand goods dealers:
To amend Sections 205.13.02, 205.14.O1.A, 205.15.O1.A, and
205.16.02.
205.13 C-1 LOCAL BUSINESS DISTRICT REGULATIONS
2. USES EXCLUDED
Any use allowed or excluded in any other district unless
n specifically allowed under Uses Permitted of this district
are excluded in C-1 Districts, including, but not limited to:
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pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter 31 of the
Fridley City Code, and second hand goods dealers as defined
in Minnesota State Statute 471.925.
205.14 C-2 �F'-NE_�nT• BUSINESS DISTRICT REGULATIONS
1. USES PERMITTED
A. Principal Uses.
The following are principal uses in C-2 Districts:
(18) Pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by
Chapter 31 of the Fridley City Code, and second
hand goods dealers as defined in M'innesota State
Statute 471.925.
205.15 C-3 ���nT• SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT REGULATIONS
1. USES PERMITTED
A. Principal Uses.
� The following are principal uses in C-3 Districts:
(3) Pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by
Chapter 31 of the Fridley City Code,�and second
hand dealers as defined in Minnesota State Statute
471.925.
205.15 CR-1 GENERAL OFFICE DISTRICT REGULATIONS
2. USES EXCLUDED
Any use allowed or excluded in any other district unless
specifically allowed under Uses Permitted of this district
are excluded in CR-1 Districts, including, but not limited
to: pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter 31 of
the Fridley City Code, and second hand dealers as defined in
Minnesota State Statute 471.925.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to waive the reading
of the public hearing notice and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CEAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUSLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8:20 P.M.
Mr. Hickok stated the request is for a zoning text amendment that
/'1 would affect Sections 205.13.04, 205.14.O1.A, 205.15.O1.A, and
205.16.02 of the.Fridley City Code. The purpose of the amendment
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is to prohibit second hand dealer shops and pawn shops in the C-1,
Local Business, and CR-1, General Office, zoning districts and
also to modify the C-2, General Business, and C-3, General
Shopping Center District, to allow second hand and pawn shops.
Mr. Hickok stated the C-1 and CR-1 districts have historically
served as a compatible transition between commercial and
residential uses. The C-1 district provides local conveniences to
surrounding neighborhoods.
Mr. Hickok stated in early 1997 the City had a request to allow a
second hand shop in a C-1, Local Business, district. The code was
non-descript about the use and for a short time the business
occupied a building in the C-1 district. During that time,
concerns were voiced regarding the intensity of the use, the
potential sale of used handguns, etc. Based on a request, staff
analyzed the situation and determined the code should more
explicit about such uses in the C-1 and CR-1 districts, and in the
C-2 and C-3 districts it should be more descriptive in allowing
these.
Mr. Hickok stated the City is required to make provisions for uses
n in its community. It is not easy to simply say no, but we can be
clear about where we direct uses. The proposed text amendment
will clarify where pawn shops and second hand stores should be
located in the City. Second hand shops are a bit different from
pawn shops. Pawn shops are regulated in Chapter 31 of the City
code which requires a license and a review process before
commencement of operation in a certain location. Second hand uses
are also in the City. Staff held a meeting with the owners of
second hand businesses to discuss the modifications. They were in
concurrence with the C-1 and CR-1 prohibition. Their best
locations are in the C-2 and C-3 districts.
Mr. Hickok stated staff recommends the C-1 and CR-1 districts be
modified to prohibit second hand shops and pawn shops, and that C-
2 and C-3 districts be modified to allow second hand shops and
pawn shops as permitted uses.
Ms. Savage stated there were not to be any second hand shops in
the C-1 or CR-1 districts. She asked if there were any requests
to have any.
Mr. Hickok stated, with the exception of one discussed, there are
no pending requests. The one mentioned in the presentation has
moved to another location. �
Mr. Kondrick stated he wished to clarify that the owners of these
� types of businesses concur that the locations would be best
located with the language that is being submitted.
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Mr. Hickok stated this was correct.
Mr. Kondrick asked if the police department prefers the proposed
language as well.
Mr. Hickok stated yes. The police department first asked staff to
look at the C-1 district. Staff feels the CR-1 district should
also be included.
Councilmember Barnett asked if this would also apply to the second
hand clothing and consignment stores in Holly Center.
Mr. Hickok stated this would apply to all second hand operations.
He is not familiar with any existing second hand use in a C-1 or
CR-1 district. Second hand shops would be permitted by right in
the C-2 and C-2 districts. Holly Center is a C-3 district.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to close the
public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEn�T*1G CLOSED AT 8:30 P.M.
Mr. Kondrick stated he had no problem with the request. He
thought it was nicely done.
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to recommend
approval of the Zoning Text Amendment, ZTA #97-01, by the City of
Fridley, to recodify the Fridley City Code, Chapter 205, entitled
"Zoning", in order to regulate the location of pawn shops, pawn
brokers, and second hand goods dealers:
To amend Sections 205.13.02, 205.14.O1.A, 205.15.O1.A, and
205.16.02.
205.13 C-1 LOCAL BUSINESS DISTRICT REGULATIONS
2. USES EXCLUDED
Any use allowed or excluded in any other district unless
specifically allowed under Uses Permitted of this district are
excluded in C-1 Districts, including, but not limited to: pawn
shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter 31 of the Fridley Cit
Code, and second hand goods dealers as defined in Minnesota State
Statute 471.925.
205.14 C-2 GENERAI� BUSINESS DISTRICT REGULATIONS
l. USES PERMITTED
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A. Principal Uses.
The following are principal uses in C-2 Districts:
(18) Pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter
31 of the Fridley City Code, and second hand goods
dealers as defined in Minnesota State Statute 471.925.
205.15 C-3 GENERAL SHOPPING CENTER DISTRICT REGULATIONS
1. USES PERMITTED
A. Principal Uses.
The following are principal uses in C-3 Districts:
(3) Pawn shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter 31
of the Fridley City Code, and second hand dealers as
defined in�Minnesota State Statute 471.925.
205.15 CR-1 rF°�'��T• OFFICE DISTRICT REGULATIONS
� 2. USES EXCLUDED
Any use allowed or excluded in any other district unless
specifically allowed under Uses Permitted of this district are
excluded in CR-1 Districts, including, but not limited to: pawn
shops, pawn brokers as regulated by Chapter 31 of the Fridley Cit
Code, and second hand dealers as defined in Minnesota State
Statute 471.925.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Saba asked if there are any other businesses that should be
included in this type of activity.
Mr. Hickok stated the City did have a request to expand the CR-1
for a jewelry store which was more of the insurance side of the
jewelry business with some sales. Staff is monitoring that
carefully. As they looked at this type of thing, they looked at
the uses in the CR-1 and believe they are appropriate. With this
exception, the code was not descriptive enough about these. That
is why staff brought this forward.
4. FRIDLEY EXECUTIVE CENTER UPDATE
^ Ms. Dacy stated in December, 1995, the HRA executed a contract for
exclusive negotiations with MEPC-American Properties which
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required MEPC to market the property on behalf of the HRA. During
the same timeframe, the City agreed to complete the intersection
analysis and design and some of the environmental approvals that
were required to serve the site. The current status is that MEPC
has completed the master plan process. The current plan was
approved for up to a maximum of 580,000 square feet of office plus
a little less than 100,000 square feet of service/commercial uses.
Ms. Dacy stated, in the last 18 months, the City has completed the
Highway 65 intersection design. The final plans and
specifications are now underway. Construction is proposed to
start next spring. The City completed the environmental
assessment worksheet and obtained an indirect source permit from
the MPCA.
Ms. Dacy stated MEPC also completed a number of marketing
activities. They completed the focus group analysis. They
changed the name of the site from Lake Pointe to the Fridley
Executive Center because there were some conflicting development
names in the metro area. They have a new logo that is out on the
signs. They conducted a site event for brokers during the summer
of 1996. They have been conducting a number of ineetings with
�.,� major prospects. In the agenda packet, correspondence from MEPC
lists those companies to which they have sent proposals. Nine of
the proposals that were sent to users for the office part of the
campus and 14 proposals for restaurants, hotels, banks, etc.
Ms. Dacy asked, "What did we learn from the market during the last
18 months?" Sometimes it was a mixed message, but they did learn
a lot. The Class A market for office space is getting better in
the metro area; however, it does not seem to be improving fast
enough in the north metro area. Some of the things they heard
from the market is, even though Fridley has Medtronic, Onan and a
number of very good companies, Fridley has to compete with places
like Wayzata and Edina which may have more CEO appeal. The
southwest and western communities in the metro area have the
advantage of a number of corporate office developments in one
location so there is a synergy there. Our site is an isolated
site, and we compete with other communities and their development
patterns.
Mr. Kondrick asked if the costs per square foot are similar. Are
the costs less? Are land costs less? Wouldn't that make the
property more attractive?
Ms. Dacy stated construction costs are the same throughout the
metro area. Even to write down the cost of the land to $1.00, a
key part of the proposal is to do structured parking and the City
n is agreeing to provide an increment to the developer to construct
that parking. In Edina which has the Centennial Office building,
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a very similar circumstance exists. They have a parking structure
in place and TIF areas in place. Even though we are in different
markets, we are all offering nearly the same type of package. At
one point we thought we could offer a tax advantage. The property
taxes in Anoka County are typically below that in other counties.
However, a referendum in that school district altered the tax
picture. Over the last six or so years the tax rate in that area
has increased. The edges that we thought we had no longer exist.
Another issue is that the nature of companies is changing. The
era of the campus development such as Honeywell and Medtronic may
be gone. Companies are focusing on the bottom line and trying to
conserve as much cost as possible.
Ms. Dacy stated it is possible that we could get the original
vision of 580,000 square feet but there would be no guarantee as
to when that would occur. The TIF district expires in 2011. Each
year that goes by with the site undeveloped reduces our ability to
provide financial incentives.
Ms. Dacy stated they have also been getting the "chicken and egg"
feedback. The commercial people hesitate to locate a building
there until there is an office building there. The office
building people are hesitant to locate there because the services
are not there. That brought us to tech-flex which is a jargon
term for a one-story, high quality building for high tech
companies that need flexible space for production and office
areas. Ms. Dacy presented a videotape showing two such buildings
- one in Golden Valley and one in Eden Prairie. The Eden Prairie
building site is interesting because it is down the block from a
multi-story building and exemplified that a mixed use could occur
in the marketplace. This approach is the approach that the HRA
and the City Council want to pursue on the property.
Ms. Dacy stated the video also showed a two-story building in St.
Paul. They have input from companies that want to build an
operation center on the property. A two-story building would
probably require a larger footprint than a multi-story building.
Ms. Dacy stated the City Council and the HRA would like to pursue
construction of a 100,000 square foot, one-story tech-flex type of
building on the west part of the site and reserve the east part of
the office park for a multi-story development of approximately
250,000 square feet. The HRA has agreed to temporarily extend the
contract to allow MEPC to go to their board to get approval on the
one-story building. The City Council and the HRA are concerned
about the length of time the site has remained vacant. Since 1987
when the theater was removed and the utilities and streets
installed, the City has been actively trying to market the site
for its original vision. The City Council and HRA felt that the
tech-flex concept does not detract from the image and could
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attract a high quality company that could stimulate interest and
attract other development.
Ms. Dacy stated this is a mixed use approach - one story plus the
multi-story. However, it initiates a pro-active approach on this
site which can be accomplished within the TIF timeframe. She
would be happy to forward any comments to the City Council and
HRA. In the next two to three months, they will be researching a
100,000 square foot proposal in more detail. .
Mr. Sielaff asked if they need a commitment from a company before
constructing a building.
Ms. Dacy stated, based on MEPC's experience in Golden Valley and
Eden Prairie, they are so confident there will be a tenant in a
one-story tech-flex that they are going to their board for a
speculative proposal. The City has received a number of calls
over the last one or two years from those types of companies that
we have not sought actively because the vision was always 500,000
square feet of office.
Mr. Sielaff asked if there were any restrictions on the amount of
^ space a company could lease in that type of building.
Ms. Dacy stated no. It may be the case that one company may need
the entire building depending on the nature of the business. MEPC
did make a proposal to Lawson Software. This mixed used proposal
is very close to what they were evaluating - a one-story
production space with corporate offices next door. There could be
a user who needs 100,000 square feet but because of the campus may
want to reserve more space for corporate offices for more
development.
Mr. Sielaff asked it would reduce the risks involved with losing a
tenant if you have more tenants.
Ms. Dacy stated this was true. There are usually one, two or
three tenants in these types of buildings. The companies are
generally of good size and have 100 to 200 employees. There could
be a smaller tenant there but that does not seem to be the case.
Mr. Saba stated he works in a similar type of building. If you
drive along I-494 along Bass Lake Road and Wedgewood, the
intersections are gorgeous with flowers all summer and well
maintained landscaping. Corporations want to bring customers in
to show them their product. They don't want the customer to feel
as though they are driving through a"bad part of town". One gets
a good feeling when driving to these facilities. When driving
^ along Highway 65 from I-694 to Mississippi and looking at the
growth in the median, it is not a pretty site. If you want
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something to attract customers to a corporate center and to
impress customers with your product and your location, you need to
do something about Highway 65 and also University Avenue to
maintain what we have. We cannot rely on the state. This may
have to be done by the City. Tl�e median and the roadside along
Highway 65 need an overhaul. It makes all the difference in the
world. Corporate centers in Golden Valley have well maintained
roads and medians. It is very different in Fridley. If we expect
to develop a corporate client that will exit from I-694 and drive
up Highway 65, that is not a pretty site.
Ms. Savage stated this is a point is well taken. Also, flowers
add to the appearance of the city. While on vacation in British
Columbia, she was impressed with Vancouver which is a beautiful
city with flower gardens that were well tended. The landscaping
adds much to the appearance. She thought this is something the
City needs to work on.
Ms. Modig asked who is responsible for the median.
Ms. Dacy stated the state is responsible for the median on Highway
65. Staff did write the state about the condition of the guard
^ rail from West Moore Lake Drive to East Moore Lake Drive, and they
did agree that it was unsightly. They are looking at having some
of the guard rails replaced as part of the intersection
improvement project to start next spring.
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Mr. Kondrick stated, when you travel west on I-694 from Highway 65
to University, the road is high and the land is low. Nothing is
worse than looking at the roof of some building with the air
conditioning systems, etc., as you drive by. At ground level a
building may look good, but it looks bad when you are on the
roadway. He would imagine there are ways to design around it so
we do not have to look at that especially with a one-story
building. He would recommend screening to hide the roof from any
passerby. �
Mr. Kondrick stated the video of the tech-flex building in Golden
Valley showed in the background a condominium. He knows they
mentioned the office parking. What about the idea of condominiums
in that area? Do developers find that area too expensive, poorly
located, too noisy, etc., for a possible condominium development
on a portion of the property? Would that be impossible to have on
a portion of the site?
Ms. Dacy stated the developer has not approached the City for a
residential use. On the other hand, the master plan has always
leaned toward the corporate office park. A highrise condominium
could be developed on the site. She thought the primary issue was
an economic one. An owner/occupied development would not produce
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the amount of taxes that office space would. The planning for
this site is that intensifying the site is the best use for the
property; and when the TIF district expires, there will be the
maximum amount of return to the community as a whole.
Mr. Sielaff asked if the buildings were being marketed as regional
headquarters or as corporate headquarters.
Ms. Dacy stated the marketing is generally as office space. She
did not know if there has been a distinction made between
corporate headquarters and regional headquarters. It is marketed
as a full service campus where companies can locate for office,
production and/or research and development. The interested
parties have proposed a gamut of different types of uses from an
operation type of center to corporate headquarters with research
and development facilities.
Ms. Modig stated her concerns about a one-story is that it puts
them in the same mode of operation that we have on University
Avenue near 79th where the majority of which are empty.
Ms. Dacy stated, in terms of the one-story, this is a different
^ market than that development would have. It is a different
market, a different interior and a different exterior. We would
exert more control in this development because of the master plan.
Those developments are more the office/warehouse and industrial
types of buildings. This is specified for the high tech use.
Mr. Sielaff stated, for 250,000 square feet, how many stories
would that be.
Ms. Dacy stated 250,000 square feet could be accommodated in two
125,000 square foot buildings with a range of four to six stories
depending on the proposal by the company.
Mr. Sielaff asked if this would be away from the residential
areas.
Ms. Dacy stated yes. The parking lots are to the north between
the buildings and the residential area.
Mr. Kondrick asked if they dare spend more money to make it
marketable, such as adding ponds, fountains, brick, etc. What if
we spent $1 million to make the site more beautiful than it is
now? Can we spend some money to get back more?
Ms. Dacy stated realistically the City has done much to make the
site attractive. The roads and utilities are in. Some people
�"� think it is a park. What detracts from the site is the function
of the intersection. It took 18 months to get approvals on the
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design of the intersection and construction is hoped to get going
next spring. A company will look at the cost of the land, what
they can do on the site and how that will affect the bottom line.
With the TIF district in place, the incentive is there. It is
true that Edina has some other advantages that helped. This site
tends to be isolated but it has excellent visibility. Once there
is activity on the site, there will be more attraction to the site
and more interest. She thought they have to get the first
building up.
5. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF
AUGUST 13, 1997
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Modig, to receive the
minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of August 13, 1997.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALI� VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOT�ON CARRIID UNANIMOUSLY.
6. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY & ENERGY
CODM�lISSION MEETING OF AUGUST 19, 1997
� Mr. Sielaff stated the minutes of the August 19th meeting had not
yet been approved by the Environmental Quality & Energy Commission
(EQE) and asked that these minutes be received by the Planning
Commission after EQE approval.
OTHER BUSINESS:
Mr. Hickok provided an update on the progress being made at the
Menards property.
Mr. Hickok stated the Planning Commission meeting of September 17
which will be a Comprehensive Plan meeting as well.
ADJOURNMENT �
MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to adjourn the
meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DE�'T�D T8E
MOTION CARRIED AND THE SEPTEt�ER 3, 1997, PLANNING CO1�lISSION
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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