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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING CO1�lISSION MEETING, NOV�TR 19, 1997
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairperson Savage called the November 19, 1997, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.
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Members Present:
Members Absent:
Diane Savage, Dave Kondrick, LeRoy Oquist,
Dean Saba
Brad Sielaff, Connie Modig, Larry Kuechle
Others Present: Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
Michele McPherson, Planning Assistant
Al Opsahl, 5388 Horizon Drive
Ralph & Joan Groenke, 112 Horizon Circle
Virgil & Elvira Landgraff, 521-53rd Ave. NE
Joseph & Margaret Pisansky, 5313 Altura Rd NE
Marvin & Marion Thour, 5237 Horizon Dr. NE
AppROVAL OF NOVEI�ER 5 1997 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES:
OM TION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Saba, to approve the
November 5, 1997, Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTL, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DLCLARFFD THis
MOTION CARRIID �NAN'IMOU3LY.
l. COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING AREA MEETING• AREAS #5 AND #6
Ms. Savage stated the purpose of the meeting is to solicit
comments about the future of the City. The City is beginning'a
process to update its comprehensive plan. This meeting is one of
six meetings which the Planning Commission is conducting to get
residents' ideas about the future. It is not the purpose of the
meeting to discuss individual problems or issues which you may now
have with the City. Rather, the Planning Commission encourages
residents to provide comments about the City's future and what
goals you think the City should pursue.
Mr. Hickok stated this is the fifth planning area meeting out of
six that will be held. This meeting is for Planning Areas 5 and
6. The next planning area meeting will be held December 17 for
Area 7. Any person who has been unable to attend the planning
meeting for their area is invited to attend the next meeting. If
unable to attend that meeting, residents can return their surveys
to the City.
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Mr. Hickok stated the comprehensive plan is a text accompanied
with land use maps and an implementation plan. The first
comprehensive plan for the City was adopted in 1980 as part of the
Minnesota Land Planning Act. At that time, the City pulled
together information on land resources and development. The Act
also was a stimulus for soliciting public interest in the
physical, social and economic issues within the City. The
information in the 1980 plan is now dated. This current process
will allow staff to gather information and set the course for the
future.
Mr. Hickok welcomed audience members. This has been a process
that has been very enlightening. Staff have received many
interesting comments which will be considered as the process moves
forward. The City's goal is to have the comprehensive plan put
together over the course of the next year. The plan will come
back to the Planning Commission for review as chapters are
completed. The completed plan is due to the state by December 31,
1998.
Mr. Hickok stated surveys were sent out to residents. Blank forms
are available for comments for those audience members who prefer
not to speak. These forms can be filled out and given to staff.
Ms. McPherson stated she was responsible for mailing the surveys
and compiling the information for presentation to the Planning
Commission. This meeting is with Planning Areas 5 and 6. On
October 27, staff mailed 1,122 surveys and invitations to
residents in those areas. As of November 14, staff had received
approximately 81 surveys for a return rate of about 7.2%. The
average return rate has been about 7.Oo to 7.5�.
Ms. McPherson stated Planning Area 5 extends from I-694 south to
the border between Fridley and Columbia Heights and west of
Highway 65. Planning Area 6 is the area north of I-694 to Locke
Lake and Rice Creek and west of the Burlington-Northern railroad
tracks to the Mississippi River.
Ms. McPherson reviewed the demographic information for both
planning areas. Respondents in Area 5 were of a more mature age
group being predominately 55 and over. Respondents in Area 6 were
predominately in the 21 to 40 age range. In terms of length of
residency, those in Area 5 generally had lived in the community
more than 30 years. Area 6 had more respondents that had lived in
the City less than 5 years.
Ms. McPherson stated, in order to track the responses regarding
issues, the questions asked in the survey requested essay-type
�"'�, answers. She attempted to categorize those responses into the
issue areas of parks, City services, property upkeep, ameniti:es,
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City government, taxes, people, access and location, traffic and
speed, safety, land uses, image, and schools. Areas 5 and 6 had
more comments relating to property upkeep including code
enforcement, junky yards, inoperable vehicles, property upkeep,
etc. As has been consistent with previous areas, what people like
most about their area is their neighbors and the people.in their
community. The issue area of land uses could include requests for
upscale restaurants, comments about apartment buildings, comments
about a busineas or parcel in the City, etc. There were some very
strong negative comments about land uses in the City in general
and also in the neighborhood of Area 5.
Ms. McPherson stated Area 6 had more positive comments about parks
and City services including recycling and the snow plowing and
atreet maintenance. Comments regarding access and location have
been consistent throughout the areas. This planning area
commented more so about the City's image or lack thereof. Most of
those comments related on the lack of a downtown or City center
area. Most folks in Area 6 commented that they like their
neighbors and feel good about the people in the immediate area.
Ms. McPherson stated concerns were expressed about apartment
� buildings and lack of or inconsistent code enforcement of property
upkeep. There seems to be a need for street lights on some
streets. This comment was difficult to pass on because we did not
know which street(s) were of concern. Several comments were made
regarding the perception of increased crime coming from Columbia
Heights, Brooklyn Park and Brooklyn Center. Many respondents like
their neighbors but some felt isolated. Most of those comments
came from Area 6 which may reflect the fact that there are more
new residents.
Ms. McPherson stated the purpose of the comprehensive plan is to
set forth the long range plan for the community and to set goals
and objectives. The Planning Commission is trying to find out
what residents want Fridley to be in the year 2010. We want to
hear concerna and also possible solutions to those concerns.
Ms. McPherson stated the forms provided ask two questions: 1)
Fridley were to be the ideal community in the year 2010, what
characteristics or experiences would you expect it to offer?;
2) What is Fridley and what role(s) does Fridley play in the
larger metropolitan area?
Ms. Savage opened the meeting for public comment.
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Mr. Landgraff stated he understood that the ordinance today says
that if junk and things like that are not visible from the street
�, there is nothing that can be done about it. He has a situation
where the neighbors have to look at junk but it isn't necessarily
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visible from the street. He thought there ahould be an ordinance
to cover that. These things become a blight to the City and
devalue the property. It is just not a nice neighborhood like in
other communities that have an ordinance to cover that.
Mr. Kondrick asked if this junk he referred to was in the
backyard.
Mr. Landgraff stated it is in the backyard and the side yard.
There is a variety of junk that most people throw away which they
store in the yard. He did not think the neighbors should have to
look at it. �
Mr. Pisansky stated he lives behind the apartment building on the
corner of 53rd and University Avenue. Altura is about 200 feet
around the corner from the apartments. The apartment is a two-
story building with a split entry and with about 7 units. He has
lived in this location for four years. He has had trouble with
the kids that were first living in the apartments. He called the
owner of the apartments and wanted to make some kind of
arrangement to keep the kids from riding bicycles through his
yard. There was no fence there. He had to put up a fence in
order to keep the kids out and.to keep them from riding their
� bikes across his yard. He spent $800 for the fence and he planted
trees. The kids went over the fence and ruined two trees that he
planted. Residents keep moving in and out but, since he put the
fence in, it hasn't been too bad.
Mr. Pisansky stated all fall he has been raking leaves. There is
a big tree on the apartment property, and he gets leaves from that
tree. He has asked for assistance in raking but they would not
help. He called Mr. Schneider and told him they have had the
electricity out twice because there are big dead branches on this
tree. This tree is leaning toward his garage. If that tree falls
on his garage, he is going to be responsible for it. That tree is
in bad shape. He thought it should be taken out. He called
someone from the University of Minnesota to look at it, and he
said it could go down at any time. He thought it should be
checked out again. That tree should go down. If that tree falls
on his garage, he does not intend that his insurance should pay
for it.
Mr. Thour stated he lives in Area 5 south of 53rd Avenue. He and
his wife have been their for over 41 years. He thought a lot of
this planning we are doing now should have been done back then.
It is too late to change what he thinks are some serious mistakes.
It is the traffic situation. Since building Holiday, Home Depot
and those other businesses, they have constant trucks down their
� street. Signs were finally posted saying "No Trucks" but it does
not mean anything because it is not enforced.
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Mr. Thour stated they also had a bad experience this summer. Some
of the neighbors had relatives visiting with their motor homes
which they parked in the driveways. They hooked up their sewers
which leaked onto the driveways creating odors and an eyesore.
They found this after they had returned from their trip out west.
They also found motor homes parked out on the street. Someone
finally came out and told them they could not leave them there.
There were even buses there. In order to rectify anything in this
area, we have to call someone. There is no one there enforcing
this. They have cars speeding down the street really fast. When
he was younger, he was able to help control some of that. He is
only the crime watch captain, and he cannot enforce that law. We
have to call the proper authorities.
Mr. Thour stated he does not want to come up and just complain
about these things because they have been there the whole time and
love Fridley. They have good neighbors. He thought the Planning
Commission in many cases has done some good things. Also, on 53rd
where those trucks come down, they cannot make that turn with
those semis. They have to go out into the other lanes. Whenever
he goes to that intersection, he parks way over so they can get
� through. Before that, they were knocking down the signals. That
� should be changed somehow. Those trucks are going through a
residential area. The area is unique because you cannot get to
all those businesses without going through residential. They do
have some other minor problems there. All in all, the
neighborhood is good.
Mr. Thour stated he was hoping to see some of the younger
residents there because the future of the City is in their hands.
He hoped staff did send out some more surveys or have another
meeting. He talked to others in the area who did not know there
was a meeting.
Ms. McPherson stated, according to the mailing list, they tried to
contact every residential parcel in the area. She did get some
letters returned stating no forwarding address but they tried to
reach everyone.
Mr. Thour stated the parks are good. They are not large and do
not have a football or baseball field. They do have a skating
rink, and they have improved the playground equipment for the
smaller kids. He thought that was a good job and felt that those
responsible for that should be commended.
Mr. Pisansky stated he has raked leaves for two yeara, and the
apartment building owners have done nothing over there. He wished
n the City would send someone out there and see just how it is
behind that building. The neighbors there are wonderful and are
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behind him 100%, but they are not here. He would like to have the
City look at it. The leaves are not raked. The grass is not
mowed. Residents are driving cars up onto the property. The
owners have not touched this property at all. He also picks up
their garbage thrown out in back of the apartment building.
Ms. Savage asked if staff was noting the comments and if they had
a response to the comment regarding a"junk" ordinance.
Mr. Hickok stated he is taking notes and will follow through on
the issues stated. Regarding code enforcement, the City has a
systematic process that started in May, 1997. Through that
process, staff is making their way over the next two years through
the entire City notifying property owners where there is junk,
inoperable vehicles, vehicles parked on the lawn, general upkeep
of their property, and a wide variety of code enforcement issues.
When an issue is found, a letter is sent to the owner informing
them about what the code says. A follow up inspection is done to
make sure the owner is following through. Over 700 cases have
been initiated this year. Between 85% and 90% of the cases are
resolved on the first notice. As staff drive through on a follow
up inspection, a much smaller number of residents have been
^ notified. The areas from which the audience reside have not yet
been inspected. Unfortunately, we do not have a large staff so it
will take time to get there. It is a thorough inspection process
and one with which we have had great success. In those areas that
have been inspected, we aee a difference. Over the course of the
next two years, staff will be making their way through the entire
City.
Mr. Hickok stated he thought this initial blanket inspection is
going to be one where we find a lot of issues where folks simply
did not know what the code says and what it is they need to do in
order to rectify the situation. After the first series of
inspections will be a maintenance program to make sure that it is
not going backwards. The level of understanding goes up as folks
are educated. Another benefit is that folks are not having to
complain about their neighbors. At the end of the education
process, a small percentage of the cases actually go to court, a
citation is issued, and a legal follow through is done. Staff is
optimistic about the program.
Mr. Kondrick stated a comment was made about campers and
recreational vehicles parked at residences. What is the ordinance
regarding these vehicles parked in yards, etc.?
Mr. Hickok stated there are situations where campers will sit on
the street for an extended period of time. He believed a speaker
/'1 talked about the issue where someone will spend part of the year
here parked in the street in a camper. The off street parking
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regulations apply. Vehicles must be moved every 24 hours. Police
will chalk vehicles to make certain they are moving. When they
see electricity hooked up, there may be people actually living
there. The City notifies the property owners. One may get an
occasional guest where they pull their motor home up by the
garage. But for any length of time, that is putting another
demand on property where the City would encourage them to find an
alternative site. The City does not have an ordinance which
specifies the number of daya allowed. This is something tY�at
staff will speak to property owners about and let them know this
is an impact on their neighborhood. For the most part, people are
very good about not wanting to put that impact on their neighbors.
Mr. Saba stated many comments were made about apartment building
upkeep. This seems to go hand-in-hand with high density housing.
The Metropolitan Council is also asking suburbs to increase
density. How do we balance the two? How do we try to maintain a
good neighborhood and City situation and still satisfy the
Metropolitan Council?
Mr. Hickok stated it is important to know that density and
property upkeep are issues that should be separated. Though you
^ may draw some parallels between multi-family properties and their
upkeep and density, the City does have a rental inspection process
in place. The Fire Department works with the Planning staff to
make sure that code enforcement efforts are addressing issues on
the outside of the units and the rental inspection folks are
dealing with issues on the inside. Both of the departments deal
with the owners of properties. Hickok stated that he did not
think that multi-family just by virtue of being multi-family is
going to be a problem and a burden on the neighborhood. We do
have to raise the level of understanding and knowledge of what is
and is not acceptable on properties. We have a rental owners
coalition designed to bring property owners together to talk about
issues, help one another get over hurdles they are having with
rental properties, and to keep close to those folks. He thought
it was important to let them know we are observing their
properties and to make sure those properties are looking good.
Mr. Hickok stated, as the Metropolitan Council asks cities to
consider increasing density, much of what cities are hearing is
that they are short on the higher density end. In this community,
we have a very good mix. The City does not have a lot of high
density land left. As we look into the future and into
redevelopment, we certainly keep looking at what the best density
is for an area. The recent project in the southwest quadrant is a
higher density project. This was carefully thought out and the
neighbors considered. That project has an owners association for
�, maintenance and the City will work with that association.
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Ms. Savage thanked the residents for coming. Comments will be
noted and passed on to City staff and the City Council.
2. INFORMAL DISCUSSION REGARDING POSSIBLE ORDINANCE CHANGES
REGARDING TEMPORARY OUTDOOR DISPLAY. SALE OR PROMOTION OF
MERCHANDISE
Ms. McPherson stated staff has put together some information to
address the temporary outdoor sales and display of inerchandise.
The issue is that the zoning code is not clear on whether or not
we permit or prohibit temporary outdoor sales of inerchandise, such
as tent sales, the "Marlboro" product giveaway vans which may park
at a service station, "farmer's markets" or fresh produce stands,
etc. This past summer we saw a number of tent sale requests
including requests from World's Greatest Deals, Target, United
Stores, Slumberland, etc.
Ms. McPherson stated the City Council has directed staff to put
together some research and try to come up with some guidelines
which may regulate this type of activity. Staff were directed to
amend the ordinance which would allow staff to administratively
issue a license or permit. Staff searched the Internet and talked
to other communities to see what they were doing. Regulation of
n this type of activity varies greatly from no regulation to very
stringent regulations.
Ms. McPherson stated staff looked at three options for the City to
pursue. The first option is to clearly prohibit outdoor sales and
display in all commercial districts. The advantages are that this
reduces enforcement costs by the City, and there are no permits to
administer or revoke. The disadvantage is that it eliminates
special marketing efforts by the business community such as 49'er
Days and similar activities.
Ms. McPherson stated the second option is to allow temporary
outdoor retail sales, display or promotion of inerchandise by
administrative permit (limited to two or three per year). The
advantage is that it clearly establishes standards of performance
of such activities. It prohibits on-going outdoor display or
merchandise and provides an opportunity for the business community
to conduct special promotions. The disadvantage is that it
requires administration of the permits, inspections of sites, and
compliance of business with ordinance standards.
Ms. McPherson stated the third option is to allow outdoor retail
sales, display or promotion of inerchandise as an accessory use
subject to certain standards. The advantages are that businesses
would not be regulated regarding outdoor sales and display. The
�� disadvantage is that this would no longer be a temporary activity
and possible negative impacts to aesthetics, parking, traffic,
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etc.
Ms. McPherson stated, based on the regulation for temporary and
the recent adoption of the temporary outdoor food sales ordinance,
staff is recommending the Planning Commission recommend the City
Council pursue an ordinance change which would regular outdoor
displays, sales and promotion of inerchandise via an administrative
license. Page 4 of the staff report contains proposed ordinance
language for such an ordinance. Under the Local Business District
Regulations, we would allow as an accessory use the temporary
outdoor display, sales or promotion of inerchandise subject to
certain conditions. The owner shall obtain a license from the
City prior to the start of the event and this license will be
required whether merchandise is sold or given away. Three events
per year would be permitted no closer than 45 days apart. Each
event can be no longer than 10 days in length. The merchandise as
displayed should not impede vehicular or pedestrian traffic or be
displayed on a boulevard or landscaped area. The display area
cannot impact parking supply. For tents, the property owner shall
also obtain a building permit and comply with the Uniform Building
Code related to tents. The City will charge a fee of $75.00 for
thie license.
�� Mr. Kondrick stated, regarding the number of occurrences per year
and the 45 day rule, Memorial Day and July 4th are less than 45
days apart. He would assume that if an event were allowed three
times it would not be poesible to have it on both of those
holidays. He liked that idea. That would automatically mean that
if someone had an event on Memorial Day they would not have one of
the 4th of July.
Ms. McPherson stated, if someone wanted to sell on the July 4th
holiday, they would need to start earlier for Memorial Day.
Mr. Hickok stated the City has not been bombarded with requests.
Allowing three events per year is generous.
Mr. Kondrick agreed that this is generous.
Ms. McPherson stated, if the commission feels three is too
generous, this can be adjusted. The City Council will informally
discuss this in December or January. They will have another
discussion with the business community once the City Council has
reviewed it.
Ms. Savage stated this is the beginning of a procesa, and it does
not mean that this will remain as it is.
� Ms. McPherson stated this was correct. These are suggested
points.
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Ms. Savage stated she thought the concept was a good idea and that
they were headed in the right direction.
Mr. Oquist stated the language refers to the property owner. If
someone rents Columbia Arena for a car sale, who is responsible to
get all the necessary things taken care of? Would it be the
County because of Columbia Arena or the person putting on the
event? Is property owner the correct term to use in this
ordinance?
Ms. McPherson stated yes. Staff may have to fine tune the
language. Regarding car sales, car dealers and those activities
which require a special use permit prior to commencement of the
activity which requires Planning Commission review. This
ordinance would not apply to what the City is doing for automobile
sales.
Mr. Oquist stated this would not apply to automobile sales. Does
that have to be stated?
Ms. McPherson stated staff could clarify that. Automobiles,
boats, RV's, garden centers and nurseries already fall under a
�� special use permit category in the ordinance. They felt those
activities should remain as a special use permit and come before
the Planning Commission.
Ms. McPherson stated, regarding the term property owner, the
person holding the activity could potentially be the person coming
to the City, getting the paperwork, and helping the owner fill it
out. Staff want the owner to sign acknowledging an activity is
taking place on their property. For example, the Marlboro van
coming to Super America for promotion of their product would
require a signature of someone at corporate Super America so they
will be included in the loop.
Mr. Oquist stated he read this as saying the property owner is
responsible. That is not necessarily true. Yes, we want the
owner to be informed and acknowledge that this is going on. For
instance, Jacob's Trading recently had a semi in their parking lot
promoting battery operated cars. He does not know if that person
owns that property or leases. He thought this needed to be
clarified. Who pays the fee - the property owner or the
applicant? Would this ordinance then apply to that promotional
deal in the parking lot? Did they come in and ask for a permit to
close off their parking lot and hold this activity?
Ms. McPherson stated typically they have been very good about
�—.� getting the proper tent permits. Staff did not know about this
particular promotion. That activity would be covered by this
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language.
Mr. Hickok stated it is a good point about the property owner.
Staff looks at it as a very deliberate approach to have the
property owner responsible. Their site plan is involved, the
circulation for the customers of the principle users can be
affected. Staff wants them informed so they are fully aware of
it. They want the owner involved and to help control and enforce
the activities.
Ms. Savage asked how this would work for a farmer's market or
stands for fresh fruit or vegetables. Is there any interest in
that?
Ms. McPherson stated they have in the past had, prior to the
outdoor food sales ordinance, requests for produce stands. Staff
basically said the City did not allow outdoor sales. In the last
year or two since the ordinance, they have not had the requeste
they previously had. In the case of a produce stand, we may
require them to go through th� outdoor food sales process. There
is a special use permit provision in the food sales section which
allows for continual sales of food products throughout the summer
season. They would probably put food or agricultural vendors
�� under that particular section of the ordinance. As proposed, most
of the outdoor agricultural vendors want to have sales from the
end of July through October, every weekend or all week long. They
want six weeks of sales. The produce stands are better covered by
the outdoor food ordinance.
Mr. Oquist asked, if it falls within these guidelines, they could
just come in and get a license and that would be it.
Ms. McPherson stated this was correct.
Mr. Oquist asked what would happen with organizations such as
churches and schools wanted to hold an event. Would that apply or
is this strictly commercial?
Ms. McPherson stated the way this ordinance is proposed they would
not be allowed to do that. With the current residential zoning
classification, their activities do not include those types of
events. If you want to add that to allow some flexibility, they
could work that into the ordinance.
Mr. Saba stated he thought that put them at a disadvantage. These
events occur occasionally such as an auction, the St. Phillips
garage sale, bazaars or festivals which are fund raisers for
churchea or schools.
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Ms. Savage asked why these are not permitted.
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Ms. McPherson stated the current ordinance does not address this.
This is very similar to why we are addressing this particular
ordinance change. The code is silent on outdoor displays and
sales of inerchandise. That is also true of residential districts
where most schools and churches are located. While the City has
never "cracked down" on these activities at churches and schools,
this may be an opportunity to clarify those sections of the
ordinance saying that churches and schools can do this type of
thing if they get a permit or license or we could allow a
mechanism to waive the fee.
Mr. Hickok stated he thought it would be appropriate to add in
churches and schools. Currently, whenever there is a tent, the
building and fire departments have been very diligent about making
sure the tent has the proper fire rating, fire extinguishers, etc.
Ms. Savage asked, if a person wanted to have a large party at
their house with a tent, are they supposed to get a permit for
that.
Mr. Hickok stated they should. Tents come with a fire rating.
� When they are rented, rental agencies have been very good about
sending along the right tent with the right information. The code
is silent on that.
Mr. Saba stated he liked the idea of including churches and
schools in the process of applying for a permit but to waive the
fee. This would happen mostly when they are having fund raisers.
Mr. Kondrick asked if there was any liability to the City if
someone had a tent and for some reason someone got hurt.
Mr. Hickok etated anytime there is something that happens the City
may be looked to. There may be a claim made that the City should
have done more about it. If someone has a tent with a large
occupancy, they should make certain it has all the fire ratings.
That is one thing the building and fire departments are very clear
about. If something should happen, it would be their lack of
knowledge as the problem.
Mr. Saba stated, if you look at this strictly, you could not hold
sporting events such as a football game with an event in the
parking lot. He thought they needed to be careful there.
Mr. Hickok stated, when they talked about the numbers, they were
thinking about commercial entities and the impacts on parking
lots. As you think about the language for churches and schools,
n you may want to think about a separate paragraph about the
standards by which they would need to abide. A site plan would be
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an important piece to make sure it is compatible, that it would
not cause problems, etc. If you are not comfortable with that,
leave more flexibility and discretion for those entities. These
are not the typical entities they have been concerned with in the
past.
Mr. Saba stated they are on kind of dangerous ground when they
talk about celebrations and similar events by churches and
schools, fundraisers, etc. He thought they should put in language
that addresses that issue.
The consensus of the Planning Commission was to include language
to address events conducted by churches and schools.
Ms. Savage stated the Commission would not at this point make any
firm requirements, but the concerns are noted.
Ms. McPherson stated the City Council would look at this fairly
shortly. Staff will include in their memo the points discussed at
this meeting. Staff may amend the proposed language to reflect
these comments so the City Council can further discuss them. The
Planning Commission will host a bueiness ownera meetings to talk
about the language and get feedback. Staff will prepare the
ordinance language for some time in March or April of next year.
At that point, you will see more formal standards.
3. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE HOUSING & REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
MEETING OF OCTOBER 9. 1997
OM TzoN by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the
minutes of the Housing & Redevelopment Authority meeting of
October 9, 1997.
TJPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGB DBCLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNP�I�TIMOIISLY.
4. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL OUALITY & ENERGY
COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTOBER 21, 1997
O IO by Mr. Saba, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the minutes
of the Environmental Quality & Energy Com�ission meeting of
October 21, 1997.
IIPON A VOICL VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGL DECI�ARED TI�
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOIISLY.
5. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING OF
OCTOBER 22. 1997
T O by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the
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minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of October 22, 1997.
IIPON A VOICF VOTT, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DLCLARLD THE
MOTION CARRIED 'ONANIMOII3LY.
ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Kondricic, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to adjourn the
meeting.
IIPON A VOICT VOTls, ALL VOTING AYL, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DLCLARLD TI�
MOTI ON CARRI ED AND THE NOVSN�FsR 19 , 19 9 7, PLANNING CONII�iI S S I ON
MEETING ADJO�RNED AT 8:52 P.M.
Respectfully submitted, �
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Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary
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