09/02/1998 - 00003403CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 2, 1998
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Chairperson Savage called the September 2, 1998, Planning Commission meeting to order
at 7:30 p. m.
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Members Present: Diane Savage, Dave Kondrick, LeRoy Oquist, Brad Sielaff,
Connie Modig, Larry Kuechle
Members Absent: Dean Saba
Others Present: Barb Dacy, Community Development Director
Scott Hickok, Planning Coordinator
Carol Hogan, 7813 Madison, Spring Lake Park
Jim Rhode, 39 - 77th Avenue N.E.
Dick Reiling, 8050 Ranchers Road
Joe Ratshe, 7779 Beech Street
C. M. Peterson, 7791 Elm Street
Councilmember Bob Barnette
Bob Egerer, CeIINet Data Services
Shirley Barton, 5331 - 5th Street
Tom Stimack, 5331 - 5th Street
Douglas Petty, 7805 Beech Street
Jason Reiling, 8050 Ranchers Road
Richard Harris, 6200 Riverview Terrace
Keith Graham, Ulteig Engineers
Gary Brewster, Roslyn Park Wesleyan Church
Harvey Teske, 4800 Flag Avenue N., New Hope
David Johnson, 6300 Georgia, Brooklyn Park
Mark Koegler, Hoisington Koegler Group Inc.
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MnTInN by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to approve the August 19, 1998,
Planning Commission minutes as written.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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PlBL1C; HEARINC�� C;nNSIDERATInN nF ZnNINC� TEXT AMENDMENT, ZTA
#98-01, BY C;ELLNET DATA SERVIC;ES �MSP�, INC; :
To allow the location and development of Microcell facilities within the City of Fridley
for the storing, processing, filtering, and forwarding of communication data within the
Public Safety and Utility bandwidth licensed by the Federal Communication
Commission, including any antenna attached to such device, generally located in
the City of Fridley.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to waive the reading of the public
hearing notice and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:33 P.M.
Mr. Hickok stated the request for a zoning text amendment, ZTA #98-01, is by CeIINet Data
Services to allow the location and development of microcell facilities. Their request
facilitates the eventual storing, processing, filtering and forwarding of communication data
within the public safety and utility bandwidth as licensed by the Federal Communications
Commission.
Mr. Hickok stated the Planning Commission considered this request at their meeting of
August 19. At that time, the Commission considered language modifications to the City's
existing telecommunications ordinance, Ordinance No. 1112. The modifications were kept
specific to "Automatic Meter Reading Systems/Devices". Cellnet's interest in providing
language in the code along with the placement of these devices would allow Cellnet's
client, NSP, to utilize their locations for these devices. Additional text amendments would
be necessary if service providers chose to expand the use of the public utilities structures
for items other than these meter reading devices. This is very specific for meter reading
devices.
Mr. Hickok stated an element that raised questions for the Commission and the petitioner
was on page 3, paragraph (3) of the proposed language which stated that a site plan
prepared to an engineer's scale would be required. This language has been replaced to
read, "A location plan matching the public utility structure identification (address) and the
appropriate Automatic Meter Reading Device." This modification will require a packet of
attachments from the petitioner to include a matrix for the label descriptor to match the map
location labels, cell identification number, latitude, longitude, street address and NSP pole
identifier address. With this modification, staff recommends approval of the zoning text
amendment, ZTA #98-01.
Mr. Kuechle stated this does not say anything about a requirement for the accuracy of the
latitude and longitude data. Is this something that should be specified?
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Mr. Hickok stated that for that reason, staff is asking for the NSP address. Each pole has
an address and an identifier number. NSP is willing to provide a GIS map with all of those
points identified so that staff can take the matrix and those identifiers and be more precise
on latitude and longitude. Latitude and longitude has a degree of error. Though it is
important because the City will ask for it from other users, they will not rely entirely on it.
The next user will ask for the NSP address so they know precisely on which pole the device
is going.
Mr. Egerer stated that after the last meeting, he did some checking. The surveys they did
with GPS were done with a differential which places the accuracy within one to five meters.
He is happy with the new language. They have no issues.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 7:38 P.M.
Mr. Kondrick stated it looks as though everything has been taken care of to the satisfaction
of the Commission as well as CeIINet.
MnTInN by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to recommend approval of Zoning Text
Amendment, ZTA #98-01, by CeIINet Data Services (MSP), Inc., to allow the location and
development of Microcell facilities within the City of Fridley for the storing, processing,
filtering, and forwarding of communication data within the Public Safety and Utility
bandwidth licensed by the Federal Communication Commission, including any antenna
attached to such device, generally located in the City of Fridley, as amended.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Hickok stated the City Council would consider this request on September 14
2. PlBL1C; HEARINC�� C;nNSIDERATInN nF REZnNINC�, ZnA #98-02, BY RnSLYN
PARK WESLEYAN C;Hl1RCH:
To rezone property from R-2, Two Family Units, to R-3, Multi-Family Residential, so
that all of the contiguous Roslyn Park Wesleyan Church property is located within a
single zoning district, generally located at 5300 6th Street N.E.
3. PlBL1C; HEARINC�� C;nNSIDERATInN nF AN ALLEY VAC;ATInN, #98-02, BY
RnSLYN PARK WESLEYAN C;Hl1RC;H:
To vacate all that part of the alley in Block 15, Hamilton's Addition to Mechanicsville,
Anoka County, Minnesota, which lies between the Northerly line of 53rd Avenue
N.E. and the Southerly line of 54th Avenue N.E. in said Block 15, generally located
at 5300 6th Street N. E.
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Ms. Savage asked that the rezoning request and the alley vacation be considered together.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to waive the reading of the public
hearing notice and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:40 P.M.
Mr. Hickok stated Roslyn Park Wesleyan Church is requesting a rezoning and an alley
vacation. Mr. Brewster is requesting a rezoning of a portion of the property from R-2, Two
Family Residential, to R-3, Multi-Family Residential. Currently, half of the church property
is zoned R-2, and the other half is zoned R-3.
Mr. Hickok stated the church properties are located on 53rd Avenue between 5th and 6th
Streets. The property to the east along 6th Street is zoned R-2. The property to the west
along 5th is zoned R-3. The church has a master plan for eventual expansion. Having two
zoning classifications makes the planning difficult.
Mr. Hickok stated Mr. Brewster has also requested an alley vacation. An alley currently
exists which bisects the church property. The Planning Commission considered these
requests at their meeting of August 19. Residents who use the alley identified themselves
as not being in support of the alley vacation request. The City Council requires a 100%
support of the petitioner prior to vacation of an alley. As a result, the Planning Commission
tabled the request to this meeting to allow the petitioners time to work through the issues.
The petitioner has prepared an alternative solution, and the elements of this solution have
been outlined in a letter to the Commission dated September 2, 1998. In this letter, Mr.
Brewster requested that both items be considered under the one petition.
Mr. Hickok stated staff has reviewed the rezoning request, and the request meets the
criteria utilized when considering a rezoning. Therefore, staff recommends approval of the
rezoning request, ZOA #98-02, without stipulations.
Mr. Hickok stated that regarding the alley, the church is requesting a partial vacation. In
lieu of the alley across the church property, the church is prepared to provide at their cost a
new hard surface blacktop driveway with curb and gutter, and is prepared to offer a
perpetual easement as a solution for those who wish to have the alley continue to their
properties to the north.
Mr. Hickok stated the request for a variance was made in the letter. This refers to Section
211 which requires that a petitioner of the adjoining properties be included showing full
support and allowing 100% vacation of the alley to occur. Unlike Section 205, the Appeals
Commission and City Council can grant a variance to the performance standards of Section
205. Section 211 is not open to variance; therefore, a variance is not the appropriate
mechanism to allow further consideration of this vacation. The Commission can
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recommend a partial vacation for City Council consideration if you feel this is appropriate.
Section 211 allows for the vacation of a portion of the plat provided that all the owners in
such a plat join in the execution of such instrument. If the alternative arrangements are
suitable for those who utilize the alley and they support the request, the intent of Section
211.10 has been met.
Mr. Hickok stated the proposal by the church is for the vacation of a portion of the alley that
is on their property. The church is planning two future expansions. The first is to the south
and the second to the west. At the time of the second expansion, they will need an
accepted parking plan and will need room where the alley exists now.
Mr. Hickok stated the alternative being suggested for the neighbors in lieu of the current
alley would provide a driveway entering from 5th Street and extending to the alley. As part
of that, the church has indicated they would make this a hard surface drive with curb and
gutter, and would provide an adequate turning radius so that anyone using the alley would
be able to make that turn without complication.
Mr. Hickok stated staff was able to contact one of the property owners to the north who
spoke in opposition. She indicated she did not have an issue with the alternative as long
as the alley functions properly in its alternative form. One of her concerns was that water
exists currently in the alley and hoped that the new access plan would not exacerbate any
run off into that area and cause further problems. As with all projects if this were to move
forward, the engineering staff would have to approve a drainage plan for that alternative
access. He believed this concern had been addressed.
Mr. Hickok stated that if the sentiments of the individual are accurate and others who spoke
in opposition concur, staff recommend approval of the request to vacate only the church
portion of the alley with the following stipulations:
The petitioner shall record an easement to allow garage access for the homeowners
at 5329 5th Street N. E., 5331 - 5th Street N. E., and 5367 - 5th Street N. E. and any
other property owner north who may require alley access.
2. The petitioner shall record an easement over the alley to allow access to the utilities.
3. The petitioner shall record a new easement to allow a utility access alternative prior
to issuance of the proposed church expansion on the west end of the existing
church structure.
4. The petitioner shall apply for and receive a special use permit prior to expansion of
their church facility.
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5. The petitioner shall record an easement to provide Amoco continued rights across
the former alley.
6. The petitioner shall provide the improved asphalt or concrete access to 5th Street in
accordance with a plan to be submitted and approved by the City prior to
installation.
7. The petitioner shall not alter the alley across their property, or in any way limit
access by the adjacent property owners, until the new access has been completed.
8. The petitioner shall hold harmless the City from any damage or injury that occurs on
or over the alley area in the interim, or beyond the vacation approval and completion
of the drive access alternative for the residents still wishing to utilize the alley north
of the church property.
9. The petitioner shall provide reasonable seasonal maintenance as necessary to
assure access to and from the non-vacated portion of the alley.
Ms. Modig asked, when the church makes the access across the church property to the
alley, will that turn allow access for emergency vehicles, such as a fire truck, etc.
Mr. Hickok stated the proposal is to provide access for radius turn movement for vehicles
with trailers, such as a vehicle pulling a boat trailer, and also a radius to accommodate an
emergency vehicle would have to be approved by staff prior to implementation. Staff would
make certain that emergency vehicles, utility trucks, etc., could use that turn.
Mr. Brewster stated several members of the property improvement committee were also
with him at the meeting, Mr. Harvey Teske and Mr. David Johnson, along with a
surveyor/engineer from Ulteig, Mr. Keith Graham. He thanked staff for their extra work and
for letting them come back with a revised plan. The term Mr. Hickok has used is a modified
approach to vacate the alley. The premise of their coming with a revision is that the alley
which has not served 100% of the residents who have property adjoining the alley and that
it has not been a maintained alley. The alley has not been maintained and is subject to a
tremendous amount of erosion. They would like to help remedy that and to continue to
provide an access for those neighbors without impeding them by bringing in property lines,
changing them, etc. It is their desire to bring that part of their petition as a modification to
the code. Mr. Graham may be able to speak to the question about the turning radius for the
access. They would be providing an access to the existing alleyway that is not vacated.
Ms. Savage asked if the petitioner knew if anyone was in opposition to the revised
proposal.
Mr. Brewster stated they were not aware of anyone. They visited and contacted those who
were involved in the change of that. Mr. Hickok came out, did a site view and went through
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the property. The neighbors were there to visit about that. In their visits or in their
correspondence, they have not had any indication that this proposal would have any
opposition.
Ms. Modig asked if the petitioner had any problems with the stipulations.
Mr. Brewster stated he did have a question about the last stipulation regarding
maintenance. They would provide maintenance as far as seasonal access is concerned.
They would not directly be using that drive themselves especially in the winter but
understand that it would need to be accessible for those who would be using it. The alley
itself is primarily maintained in the winter by Mr. Stimack. They have participated in a cost
share but it has been primarily his responsibility.
Ms. Modig stated she understood he took that on in order to have access to his garage. In
order to have access, that easement still must be available. She asked the petitioner if they
were questioning what maintenance must be done.
Mr. Brewster stated, yes.
Mr. Sielaff asked what was done before for the other access.
Mr. Hickok stated it sounds like it was a shared responsibility and the owners shared
responsibility to shovel so they could get in. Mr. Brewster's responsibility is to keep the
access available for the neighbors.
Mr. Brewster stated that is what he understood. For those who use the alley, that is
something they would have to work out themselves. The Stimack's have another access
with their own driveway. For the lady that is next to them, this is her only access.
Mr. Sielaff asked if there needs to be a stipulation that the maintenance is a shared
responsibility.
Mr. Brewster stated they would provide the driveway for access. The other mechanics
would be something to be worked out.
Mr. Sielaff stated that as long as it is maintained, he does not care.
Ms. Modig stated this has the potential for being a real problem. It is not clear unless we
have an indication about who will plow the driveway and maintain it in the wintertime.
Mr. Brewster stated the way they see it is they are responsible for clearing the access. He
would like to seek a cooperative way of doing that, probably a cost share.
Ms. Savage asked the petitioner, in the event they were not able to do that, would you take
on that responsibility.
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Mr. Brewster stated, yes, especially of the vacated alley. The access would be additional
for them to assume.
Ms. Modig stated she felt this needed to be more specific.
Mr. Hickok stated they are asking for reasonable seasonal maintenance. If that means a
shared agreement, then so be it.
Ms. Savage stated she believed the petitioner has indicated he understands and is willing
to accept the responsibility if need be and is willing to work something out.
Mr. Kondrick asked if it was correct that people would be able to get from the church
parking lot going north.
Mr. Hickok stated, yes, there would be a connection to the alley.
Mr. Brewster stated, by doing this, it enables their future plans for the expanded parking. It
not only gives immediate access for the residents but sets it up for future expansion.
Mr. Oquist asked if this would be sufficiently marked so that people attending church
services and/or activities do not park in that alley area and block the entrance.
Mr. Hickok stated that was an excellent point. He believed the design for this would be
done in a way that the north curb becomes the permanent concrete curb and gutter for the
future drive aisle for the parking lot. He understands they will have an asphalt curb which
would then be taken out at the time of the parking lot expansion. He understands that this
is a short-term solution to provide drainage until the parking lot is completed.
Mr. Oquist stated there is a type of concrete curbing that is not a whole curb but still allows
for drainage. He also does not want to block the alley for emergency vehicles.
Mr. Hickok stated this could be stipulation #10.
Mr. Graham stated he was the surveyor for the project. There is a 16-foot turning radius on
the curb. This is fine for automobile traffic but it is tight for emergency vehicles such as fire
trucks. There is room for a 22-foot radius coming off the easement to the alley to the north.
They would work with the engineering department to, if necessary, relocate that
easement a bit to accommodate the necessary turning radius. They would have to talk to
the traffic engineers because this depends on the type of vehicles expected in that area.
Mr. Oquist stated he thought that should be another stipulation.
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Mr. Kuechle asked Mr. Graham if there were parking spaces blocked out along the side of
the access drive.
Mr. Graham stated there are parking stalls and a drainage pond to the south. They will
stretch the easement out to the alley. Rather than a turning radius, he would prefer to see
the south line extended all the way to the alley so there will be room for snow removal and
snow storage. If they can box that out rather than putting in a specific radius, that allows
room. The civil engineer would have to make the decision along with City staff as exactly
how best to handle the run off coming from the alley.
Ms. Modig asked if that is something that is automatically done or would that require a
stipulation.
Mr. Hickok state stipulation #6 covers that in that the staff would need to approve the plan.
Ms. Modig stated she is concerned about the neighbors that were at the last meeting. Did
staff hear from them and does staff know that there is no problem with this proposal?
Mr. Hickok stated he talked with Ms. Barton who is a co-owner of the property with Mr.
Stimack. She stated she would be talking to Mr. Stimack. She did not have any concerns
other than to make certain that this was engineered properly. If Mr. Stimack had additional
concerns, she would have him call. Staff did not hear from him. As to the other property
owner that spoke, he was concerned about the garbage pick up in the alley and being able
to get in and out. Mr. Hickok was unable to contact him.
Mr. Kondrick stated that if they can assure the turning radius, that problem is solved.
Mr. Sielaff asked if they were notified a second time of this public hearing.
Mr. Hickok stated, no. They attended the last meeting and were made aware at that time of
this meeting.
Ms. Modig asked if they had the signatures needed in order to do this right.
Mr. Hickok stated that although they do not have the signatures for 100% vacation north to
south, according to Section 211, the property owners that abut are supporting it. According
to the other owners, he has heard verbal support from one property owner. It does make it
difficult. The City staff, Commission and City Council would be most comfortable with a
written confirmation. As long as they are okay with the alternative, he thought that would be
the equivalent of 100% support.
Ms. Savage stated it is clear that they did know about the meeting and had an opportunity
to write or call.
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Mr. Brewster stated that after the last public hearing and hearing the response from the
neighbors, they addressed a letter to them and discussed this with those concerned. That
is why they have an agreement to go ahead with the modification. They took steps to find a
reconciliation.
Mr. Stimack stated he has no conflicts with this issue as long as the turning radius is
provided and it does not interfere with the drainage. That should be it.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:12 P.M.
Mr. Kuechle stated he thought they had resolved the issues that were contested. He would
recommend approval of both the rezoning and the vacation request.
Mr. Oquist stated he would amend the stipulations.
Mr. Kondrick asked if they should say something about marking the alleyway.
Mr. Oquist stated he thought that should be one of the stipulations that the new alleyway be
sufficiently labeled to prevent parking in that area.
MnTInN by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to recommend approval of a Rezoning,
ZOA #98-02, by Roslyn Park Wesleyan Church, to rezone property from R-2, Two Family
Units, to R-3, Multi-Family Residential, so that all of the contiguous Roslyn Park Wesleyan
Church property is located within a single zoning district, generally located at 5300 6th
Street N. E.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MnTInN by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to recommend approval of an Alley
Vacation, SAV #98-02, by Roslyn Park Wesleyan Park Church, to vacate all that part of the
alley in Block 15, Hamilton's Addition to Mechanicsville, Anoka County, Minnesota, which
lies between the Northerly line of 53rd Avenue N.E. and the Southerly line of 54th Avenue
N.E. in said Block 15, generally located at 5300 6th Street N.E., with the following
stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall record an easement to allow garage access for the homeowners
at 5329 5th Street N. E., 5331 - 5th Street N. E., and 5367 - 5th Street N. E. and any
other property owner north who may require alley access.
2. The petitioner shall record an easement over the alley to allow access to the utilities.
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3. The petitioner shall record a new easement to allow a utility access alternative prior
to issuance of the proposed church expansion on the west end of the existing
church structure.
4. The petitioner shall apply for and receive a special use permit prior to expansion of
their church facility.
5. The petitioner shall record an easement to provide Amoco continued rights across
the former alley.
6. The petitioner shall provide the improved asphalt or concrete access to 5th Street in
accordance with a plan to be submitted and approved by the City prior to
installation.
7. The petitioner shall not alter the alley across their property, or in any way limit
access by the adjacent property owners, until the new access has been completed.
8. The petitioner shall hold harmless the City from any damage or injury that occurs on
or over the alley area in the interim, or beyond the vacation approval and completion
of the drive access alternative for the residents still wishing to utilize the alley north
of the church property.
9. The petitioner shall provide reasonable seasonal maintenance as necessary to
assure access to and from the non-vacated portion of the alley.
10. The petitioner shall receive approval for the turning radius which is to be adequate
to handle emergency vehicles.
11. The alley shall be sufficiently labeled to prevent the entrance from being blocked.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Mr. Hickok stated the City Council would consider this request on September 14
4. PlBL1C; HEARINC�� C;nNSIDERATInN nF A SPEC;IAL 11SE PERMIT, SP #98-15,
BY Lnl1C;KS & ASSnC;IATES, INC; , nN BEHALF nF SPRINT SPEC;TRl1M:
To construct a wireless telecommunications tower as defined in Section 205.29.2 of
the Fridley City Code, pursuant Section 205.29.5C in an M-2, Heavy Industrial
Zoning District.
Ms. Savage stated the request for a special use permit, SP #98-15, had been withdrawn.
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5. PlBL1C; HEARINC�� C;nNSIDERATInN nF ZnNINC� TEXT AMENDMENT, ZTA
#98-02, BY THE C;ITY nF FRIDLEY:
To create a new zoning district for industrial lot below one and a half acres in size,
with special attention in the Onaway Addition located north of 79th Avenue, east of
the Burlington Northern Railroad tracks, west of University Avenue, and south of
85th Avenue.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to waive the reading of the public
hearing notice and to open the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 8:15 P.M.
Ms. Dacy stated the zoning text amendment, ZTA #98-02, is being requested by the City of
Fridley. The purpose of the zoning text amendment is to create a new zoning district in the
Onaway Addition and, secondly, staff is asking the Planning Commission to evaluate a
smaller minimum size requirement from 65,330 square feet to 62,000 square feet in the M-
2, Heavy Industrial, district.
Ms. Dacy stated the Onaway Addition is located in the northern part of the City with 77th
Avenue along the south boundary, Main Street to the east, 79th Way on the north, and the
railroad tracks to the west.
Ms. Dacy stated the background of why this request is being brought to the Planning
Commission's attention is that over the last two or three months the City has become aware
of the small lot areas in this subdivision. The Onaway division was originally subdivided in
1911 and was originally intended for a residential development. However, that area when it
was incorporated into the City of Fridley in 1958 was zoned industrial and planned for
industrial since that time. Staff went back and looked at the code from 1958. At that time,
there was not a minimum lot size requirement for development in industrial areas, and a
minimum lot area did not appear in the zoning requirements until the 1960's. In the
Onaway district, most of the building took place in the 1960's and 1970's. In 1973, the code
had an exception phrase. For the M-2, the minimum lot size was 1.5 acres except for lots
subdivided in a plat prior to the effective date of that code.
Permits were issued and buildings constructed. Apparently in the early 1980's when the
City code was recodified, the ordinance changed such that in the M-1 area there is a 3/4
acre lot size or 32,070 square feet; M-2 was listed at 1.5 acres or 64,140 square feet.
Ms. Dacy stated the City had a variance request this spring that was denied because of
some of these minimum lot size requirements. In the approach of a special zoning concept,
they had to balance between the typical health, safety and welfare concerns that the zoning
code is intended to protect versus what is there already. The minimum lot size is there to
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make sure there is adequate separation between buildings, provide green area, adequate
parking for employees and guests, etc. The analysis included 54 parcels in the Onaway
district. There are 200-300 parcels community-wide. A matrix for the Onaway district was
provided in the agenda packet.
Ms. Dacy stated next is to determine the minimum lot size requirement because two out of
the 54 could meet the 1.5 acre requirement. If the majority of the sites cannot meet the
current requirement, what is the City's goals? What does the City want to accomplish?
Staff looked at the range of lot areas. The majority seem to be between the range of
10,000 and 20,000 square feet. Staff did evaluate looking at a 20,000 square foot lot size
but that would require a displacement of businesses. From a planning standpoint, the
larger minimum lot size has more area for flexibility, expansion and create an assurance of
adequate room on site for development. In this case with an existing development, you
have improvements already in place and are not dealing with any vacant land so to speak
but rather dealing with a pre-existing condition.
Ms. Dacy stated that based on staff s analysis, the majority of the lots could meet a 10,000
square foot lot size requirement. There were eight or nine parcels that could not meet that.
However, half of those were part of an adjacent owner. There were four properties that
could not meet the 10,000 square foot requirement.
Ms. Dacy stated, for the M-2 lot size and changing the minimum lot size from 1.5 acres to
62,000 square feet, through this analysis staff did find there are other lots in the immediate
area that are just shy of the 1.5 acres. If they reduce the lot size to 62,000 square feet, her
initial thought was that they could resolve the nonconforming status for three lots. She did
find that there are eight lots in the immediate area that range between 42,000 square feet
and 57,000 and 58,000 square feet. It may be wise for the City to evaluate the zoning of
those sites to M-1 to keep them in a conforming status. That however is a future issue.
Ms. Dacy stated staff is recommending a new zoning district, S-3, Onaway Special District,
which is set up exactly as the M-2 with the same uses, the same special uses, the same
landscape requirements, the same design requirements, except that the minimum lot size
would be 10,000 square feet, lot width of 80 feet, and reduced setbacks. Ms. Dacy
provided a handout outlining the requirements for the S-3 district with those requirements
highlighted that are different from M-2.
Ms. Dacy stated the second recommendation by staff is for the Planning Commission to
recommend to the City Council to change the minimum lot size from 1.5 acres to 62,000
square feet.
Ms. Dacy stated, third, with the Commission's concurrence, she would like staff to continue
their research about the lot areas and evaluate rezoning eight properties to M-1. Those
owners were not part of this notification so staff would like to meet with them to talk about
that and to pursue another solution on those sites.
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Ms. Dacy stated that in the Onaway District, the majority of the lots can meet the 10,000
square foot lot size. The four lots that cannot meet that requirement are located between
Beech and Elm just north of the 77th Avenue right-of-way. This consists of two single
family homes toward the east, and Rhodes Lock and Glass and a floor covering business to
the west. Those lot sizes range from 7,600 square feet to about 8,748 square feet. These
four lots would be nonconforming. She thought the owners of the two single family homes
have been aware of this issue for several years. In the future, the intent would be, as any
of these four lots are abandoned or destroyed, they would try to join lots together in order to
get the minimum size.
Mr. Kondrick asked the total square footage of those four lots combined.
Ms. Dacy estimated the four lots to be about 30,000 square feet.
Mr. Oquist stated he thought 7864 and 7872 Elm were under 10,000 square feet as are lots
on Main Street.
Ms. Dacy stated they checked the ownerships and many of those parcels are tied together
under one owner.
Ms. Dacy stated that regarding the eight properties they are evaluating in the M-1 district
fall between 33,000 square feet and 65,000 square feet. One parcel is located at the
northwest corner of Ranchers Road and 79th, two are on the opposite corner of the
intersection, another parcel is down Ranchers Road, and two parcels are just north of the
Dairy Queen on Main Street. They are looking at the M-1 zoning and bringing that
requirement down. Some of the owners have not been notified regarding this issue. She
would like to do some additional research to check the lot sizes that are showing on the plat
versus what is showing up on the GIS system.
Ms. Dacy stated the Planning Commission is asked to recommend a zoning district that
would apply only to the Onaway Addition and, in effect, rezone it from M-2 to S-3, Onaway
Addition Special District. She did get a telephone call from one of the property owners who
suggested putting the words "Heavy Industrial" after S-3 to denote that people know it is an
industrial area when they call in doing zoning checks.
Mr. Sielaff asked if the nonconforming lots were residential.]
Ms. Dacy stated two are residential and two are commercial. There is another house on
Elm Street that is being leased to a relative of the owner. There was at one time a house
on the other side of the street also but that is now gone. Over time, the nonconforming
properties are being eliminated.
Ms. Modig asked if there are any other areas in the City that fall into this category.
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Ms. Dacy stated this is the only place in town. There are other older industrial plats in the
salvage yard area on 73rd and an outlot property on the other side of the railroad tracks
near Springbrook. Those are zoned M-1 and very small. The conditions that exist here
warrant special attention. The purpose statement on the first page tries to get at that issue.
Ms. Sielaff stated this is considered a special district. How would other zones be
determined in this special district?
Ms. Dacy stated right now the area is zoned M-2, Heavy Industrial. If the City Council
approves the request, the area would be S-3, Onaway Heavy Industrial Addition. If a
building burned down, then the minimum lot size must be 10,000 square feet. The new set
of standards would be used when someone comes in for an application.
Mr. Sielaff asked if the use would change.
Ms. Dacy stated the uses would be the same as those in the M-2. There should not be any
issues about the use. The intent of this district is to get at the lot area and some of the
environmental issues. The City has two other examples using the special district approach.
First is the S-1, Hyde Park, area which extends from 57th to 61 st. Second is the S-2
district which includes Lake Pointe and Christenson Crossing.
Mr. Oquist stated this ordinance would be put into effect on properties that will apply in the
future. This does not affect existing properties. Is it correct that this does not require a
current business to change to agree with this ordinance? It is only after something affects
the property.
Ms. Dacy stated this was correct. This only comes into effect if something happens and
only if a building is destroyed beyond 50% of its value or if they want to expand. Otherwise,
there is no change.
Ms. Savage stated she wanted to clarify that this would change the minimum lot
requirements in an M-2 district from 1.5 acres to 62,000 square feet. This is a zoning text
amendment. If the Planning Commission should recommend approval, procedurally what
happens next.
Ms. Dacy stated the City Council will hold a public hearing on September 14. The City
Council will conduct a hearing, then they must adopt an ordinance to officially include the
S-3 district and implement the proposed changes including the reduction of the minimum lot
size in the M-2 district to 62,000 square feet.
Ms. Sielaff asked that in the special district, they are tending toward a certain lot size.
What is confusing him is the use issue. What happens if a building is destroyed or the
property is sold?
Ms. Dacy stated the uses that are permitted in the S-3 district are the same as those
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permitted in the M-2 district. If you have a building and it burns down, if the lot is 10,000
square feet then it is not a problem.
Mr. Sielaff asked what would happen if a residential building burned.
Ms. Dacy stated a residential building right now is not a permitted use in the M-2 district.
The S-3 also does not permit residential use. If one of those homes burns down, they will
not be able to rebuild. It would need to be an M-2 use.
Mr. Reiling stated he is a property owner and is the sacrificial lamb. His property burned
down on Hickory Street last February. Due to the fact of the zoning requirements, they
were not allowed to rebuild. Consequently, he now has a vacant lot. It seemed to him that
the text amendment for the S-3 would take care of his problem and those of many other
folks in the same situation. He would be in favor of the amendment.
Mr. Rhode stated he has concerns. He has one of the four lots that will not be in a situation
to benefit. There is a floor covering business next to him on the corner and then two
houses on the other side. He did not know what the lot sizes were for the four lots. He has
had his lot surveyed and he had 8,775 square feet. The lot is 75 feet in width. If, for
example, a neighbor's building burned down or if a residence burned, would they condemn
the lot? If there is 30,000 square feet, this would them make three lots. That is hard to
divide.
Ms. Dacy stated staff is not suggesting condemnation. They are saying these uses are
allowed to continue as they currently are forever. However, if his structure was to burn
down or become damaged beyond 50% of the value, he would not receive a permit to
rebuild. If the single family home to the east should come up for sale, staff would try to
encourage as large of lot size as possible so that two adjacent owners could bundle two
lots together and get a bigger lot. If he and the floor covering business owner wanted to
join together to share a building and join the lots, that would be okay as well. Staff is
suggesting that over time there must be at least a minimum lot size of 10,000 square feet.
Until structures are destroyed, the City will not initiate a condemnation.
Mr. Rhode stated he had a survey to see what he could do. He would have to ask for too
many variances so he did not go further. He has kicked this around for the last four or five
years. This issue does concern him. It is not worth it for him to do anything to it. He
cannot grow. He deals with retail which is not his main business. His main business is
mobile. The shop does fine for his purposes. In order for him to stay here with the property
he has, it is worthless and has no value if the zoning will not accommodate anyone with that
lot size. The value is nothing if you cannot do anything with it. As far as accommodating
the majority, that is good but that still leaves him as the minority. If he was at 75 feet on the
width and 8,500 square feet, he would have a lot that he could construct a building and
could still run a business on a profitable basis without buying land and moving out. He is
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about 1,300 square feet short of the minimum lot size and 5 feet short on the width. There
are only four lots, but he thought it was something to consider. If he moves, he will move to
Elk River or some place to the west. This has been an issue that he has kicked around but
he has never pursued. If he put money into buying lots, he did not think that was the place
to do it.
Mr. Oquist stated that under the existing zoning if something should happen to his property,
he could not do anything with it either. Either way, he cannot do anything. Either way, he
still has the same problem. If they try to accommodate everyone, they have to drop it way
down. They are trying to correct as best they can.
Mr. Petter operates a business at 7805 Beech Street. Typically, the buildings and lots on
his street are the same size. None of them would be able to rebuild. Under the proposed
rezoning of that area, it works very well for him and he was sure it would work well for
everyone on his street. He supports it. It cannot happen too soon as far as he is
concerned.
Ms. Hogan stated she owned property at 7800 Main Street. She did not know she had a
problem until she met with City staff. She is in support because it would help her.
Mr. Harris stated he owns property in the Onaway Addition. He had some things he wanted
to clarify. The map did not show the vacated alleys. It shows only dedicated alleys. In the
block between Elm Street and Main Street just north of 77th Avenue, has the north/south
and east/west alleys vacated? In the next block to the west, Block 7, the north/south alley
is vacated but the east/west alley is not. If they vacated the east/west alley, it might help
those properties along 77th Avenue gain a few square feet. All of those alleys are
unimproved but they are dedicated. The next block to the north are improved alleys and
are in use.
Mr. Harris asked that on some of the figures provided by Ms. Dacy, when taking the square
footages, were the easements omitted. It appears that, especially over in area of East
Ranchers Road, the numbers do not reflect the easement areas. There are drainage and
utility easements in the rear, and he assumed they were part of the total square footage.
Ms. Dacy stated she was assuming they included the area of easement. One of the things
she can do is check the officially recorded plat for some of the lots versus what is in the GIS
which comes from Anoka County.
Mr. Harris stated on Lot 5, Block 3, he came up with 60,814 square feet. On the interior
lots, he came up with 62,055 square feet for Lot 6, Block 3. It appears they are not taking
into consideration the 10-foot drainage and utility easement on the back lot lines. On Lot 6,
there is a 15-foot storm sewer easement on the north lot line. Perhaps they are losing
some figures because of the easements.
Mr. Harris asked how this ordinance would affect property owners who are operating at that
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particular time. It would probably have no affect on normal operations but it would on real
estate sales. If an existing, nonconforming use, by Minnesota law an owner is required to
divulge that information to the potential buyer. That does affect the property value.
Mr. Oquist stated there is the same situation with an M-2 zoning where it would truly be
nonconforming because of the 1.5 acre requirement.
Mr. Harris stated that was true except when they were built. These were built in the 1960's
and 1970's. The 1973 code was not officially recodified until, he thought, 1983. There
were public hearings held in 1981. For some reason in 1983, they dropped the phrase that
was in the previous codes that alluded to plats and subdivisions prior to the existing code.
He did not know why it was dropped in the M-2. In the M-1, it is still there. It has not
changed in the residentials. That basically stayed all the same. He did not know why they
are singling out M-2.
MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to close the public hearing.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 8:48 P.M.
Ms. Modig asked, regarding the information on the alley easements for those four
properties that are nonconforming, how much difference would there be in the square
footage if the alley were vacated.
Ms. Dacy stated it would bring them closer. Rhodes Lock and Glass is just shy of 9,000
square feet. If the alley were vacated, it could add approximately another 640 square feet
which gets him closer. The two single family residences get a little closer. The floor
covering owner is just shy of 8,000 square feet . At a minimum, the City does not want to
continue to encourage the continuation of the nonconformance. If those were to be
redeveloped at some point in time, you would have the owner of Rhodes Lock and Glass or
the floor covering people expanding into that area which would be certainly something that
is possible. It takes time and money.
Mr. Harris asked if it was possible to take the whole 16 feet of the alley and add it to the
southerly properties making a deal with the people to the north. It could make those four
lots more viable, and it would help solve Mr. Rhode's problem.
Ms. Dacy stated it was possible. What would happen is that when an alley is vacated, half
goes to one and half goes to the other. The owners would have to deed the northerly feet
to the owners to the south. Based on what has been happening in other areas, either this
block develops and one or two buildings face 77th Avenue or the westerly two and the
easterly two join together and one faces Elm and one faces Beech. The City wants to head
toward consistent development that fits a pattern in the neighborhood. 10,000 square feet
was to accommodate a number of owners in the area. They must determine just how low
they will go and still have a reasonable industrial development.
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Ms. Modig asked what the lot sizes were in neighboring cities.
Ms. Dacy stated they had surveyed other first ring communities. St. Louis Park and Golden
Valley had situations that were most applicable to Fridley where they had pre-existing
industrial areas. Golden Valley did not have a minimum lot size requirement as she
recalled. St. Louis Park was beginning to evaluate their industrial area for redevelopment.
Other communities are all over the board on the nonconforming lot issue. Some
communities are very strict about making that, if over 50% is destroyed or damaged, then
they will not permit reconstruction. Other communities will allow it if it is a lot of record and
meets 80% of the lot area. Here, 80% of 1.5 acres would result in the same issue in this
subdivision. They looked at the aerial, how the subdivision was developed, and tried to do
what made sense.
Mr. Rhode asked that if one of those houses went up for sale, can they be sold and be a
house again. Is that grandfathered in?
Ms. Dacy stated, yes.
Mr. Rhode stated that if it is damaged to over 50%, then the use would have to change.
Ms. Dacy stated this was correct.
MnTInN by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to recommend approval of Zoning Text
Amendment, ZTA #98-02, by the City of Fridley, to create a new zoning district for industrial
lot below one and a half acres in size, with special attention in the Onaway Addition located
north of 79th Avenue, east of the Burlington Northern Railroad tracks, west of University
Avenue, and south of 85th Avenue.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MnTInN by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to modify the minimum lot area in the M-
2, Heavy Industrial, district from 1.5 acres to 62,000 square feet.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Modig stated staff had received a comment about including heavy industrial in the title
of the district. Does the Planning Commission need to take action on that request?
Ms. Dacy stated staff will take care of that change. The City Council will consider this
request on September 14.
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Mr. Koegler stated, in May and June 1998, they held two vision sessions. They got a lot of
good information out of the sessions which will be used in various portions of the
comprehensive plan. One of the intentions behind that effort was to lay the foundation and
to help establish the course that the comprehensive plan will take. As part of that, they
asked participants a variety of questions. A summation of the responses was included in
the agenda packet. Basically they asked what they wanted the community to become in
the future and what the strengths would be. The challenge coming out of that is to distill
that down into series of statements that they can use as a kind of guidepost as they go
through the comprehensive planning process.
Mr. Koegler stated that from a planning perspective, what they heard from the participants
was that this is the vision, this is the direction they want to go in the planning process for
the future of Fridley over the next 10 to 20 years. Furthermore, they refined that with what
they term a set of guiding principles which are a bit more specific. The intention is for this
to become a comparison tool not only as they go through the planning process but also
after the comprehensive plan is adopted. Tonight, the Planning Commission has an
opportunity to provide input on the direction that this is going.
Mr. Koegler stated this becomes some of the information which they will refer to during the
planning process. With gathering input from the community, they have tried to broaden that
as much as possible. To the degree that it is possible, they try to make the input portion of
the comprehensive plan a grass roots effort. How do they get people involved? He thought
the vision process was an excellent start. The intent was to take this further to come up
with what they think is an appropriate statement of vision and an appropriate set of
principles to help guide this effort. It is their intention to take that out and test that in the
community at large, that is to provide people a chance to comment. How to do that or the
mechanics will be worked out. Perhaps there will be a supplement in the Fridley Focus or
some other vehicle to literally get this into every household in the City, offer people a
chance to look at this information, have some background on what it is all about, and have
them provide some feedback. That is where they are going with this. Their intention was to
put this in front of the Planning Commission and the City Council for input on the direction,
perhaps change a few things, and then go to a broader public basis for input.
Mr. Koegler stated the statements in the memo are ones that were drafted based upon the
information gathered at the meetings. This is their first attempt to translate. The intent is to
be a target to be shot at, modified as appropriate, so they can make this part of what
ultimately will become the comprehensive plan.
Mr. Koegler stated they obtained a broad base of concepts and ideas as well as some
specifics and point of views. At this beginning point, it is important that the words they are
putting on paper capture the essence of what they heard. The vision statements whether it
is a corporate vision or something else is one of those flowery statements. This has some
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elements to this. They also heard some things that are represented that people thought
they have a unique city for a variety of reasons. There are tremendous strengths in the
community. He tried to extract some of that in how the community evolved, importance of
the neighborhoods, importance of the schools, the fact that the City has a wealth of
opportunity, are some of the kinds of ideas they tried to touch on in this broad based
statement.
Mr. Koegler stated the subsequent pages contain guiding principles which are more
specific. They heard people talk about housing, diversity, employment, environment, etc.
They heard the nature center mentioned over and over again. They have tried to spread
out that fabric of the community so that knowledge can be applied to other parts of the City.
The river is another example where people felt this was a hidden resource. Many of the
people who pass through the City have no idea, unless they look at a map or cross a
bridge, that Fridley borders the Mississippi River.
Mr. Koegler stated that as they get comments on these items, they will go back and modify.
Mr. Kuechle stated he attended the meetings. As you look at the group, the demographics
of those who attended those meetings tended to in his age group and older. It seems as if
there is a problem in trying to involve the younger generation in these things. What ideas
did Mr. Koegler have about that?
Mr. Koegler stated that when they got done with the first session and saw the composition
of the group, he would agree that one group demographically was over represented. They
can only do their best effort. They try to get people there and they succeed at various
levels. When they left that night, there was not a younger segment. Ms. Dacy tried to get
younger participants. It is difficult. Overall, the participation level was outstanding. They
had a lot of very good critical thinkers who came to that meeting who were not afraid to give
their views. Regardless of the demographics of the group who provided the ideas, the
ideas were very sound and across the board. Now they are trying to go one step further
and put this out in front of everyone. The attempt is to get this in front of everyone so they
have a chance to provide comment. As far as participation, this does not end as far as the
comprehensive planning process. There will be opportunities for people to look at things
and participate. It would probably come as no surprise to the Commission that, as people
see this, people react to things. That will pull in some different segments of the community.
Ms. Modig stated she received a long phone call for a survey that asked a lot of these
questions. She is interested so she was willing to participate. Was that a part of this
process?
Ms. Dacy stated the City did a number of surveys. There was a business survey and a
community survey once every two years. That was one that took place this past fall. They
do have those results and they did share that with Mr. Koegler. The City Council uses the
information from those surveys. The City Council takes that information and asks the
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department heads to come up with their goals and objectives with the survey results in
mind.
Ms. Modig stated this information includes that information very well, but in order to involve
the normal citizen it needs to be shorter.
Mr. Koegler stated these were companion efforts. They did see the results of the survey,
and that made them more aware of the issues of the community.
Ms. Savage asked if they would be mailing out the memorandum.
Mr. Koegler stated, no. It is their intention to put together some kind of a flyer or
supplement with a brief explanation of what this is all about - here is what the community
has told us is important, here is the direction we are going, etc. - and ask for some
comment. The vision statement seen here will be in that piece of correspondence.
Ms. Savage asked if they were planning to mail out some things.
Mr. Koegler stated the mechanics of that is yet to be determined. The intent is to saturate
the community. They are aware there are some mailing restrictions with any certain list
they might take.
Mr. Oquist asked how close the City was to sending out the quarterly newsletter.
Ms. Dacy stated the timing of that edition is that they wrote a summary of what happened at
the meeting. The deadline for their articles was the last week in August. They did include a
summary and what to expect.
Ms. Modig asked if the City has a website.
Ms. Dacy stated the website is under construction. It should be online in the next few
months.
Ms. Modig stated, if they have some responses coming in, they could incorporate that into
their address so people can respond via that medium also. They might then have an
opportunity to get comments from the younger generation.
Mr. Sielaff stated he would like to get a sense of what ultimately ends up being a principle
or a guiding principle. Is it just two or three people coming up with the same idea or an idea
coming up several times?
Mr. Koegler stated the statements came out of ideas expressed many times over during the
two sessions. Ultimately, what goes into these is at the discretion of the Planning
Commission and City Council. These are represented on a broad base coming out of
these sessions. It is also supported by some of the survey information. Ultimately, as they
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continue with the comprehensive plan, they will have more opportunities. They will be
putting together plans and concepts that come back to these principles. They heard, for
example, people say they were looking for some kind of commercial focus. They had some
fun with that. How do you bring vitality and commerce to create a place where you want to
go? He thought they would have an opportunity to test some of those thoughts to see if
they are on track. He felt strongly that these come from a body of support.
Mr. Sielaff stated the next step is to go out to the entire community and get their input. Do
they have a plan to determine what comes back from that process? Will that end up being
a principle?
Mr. Koegler stated it is random. They have to wait and see what they get back. They do
not expect a tremendous response rate. A certain portion of the population will take an
interest. They will collect all that and come back. Then the Planning Commission will have
an opportunity to look at it and determine if this makes sense. That becomes a collective
decision. The intent is to represent a consensus.
Ms. Savage asked if there will be another Planning meeting on this to hear the public
response.
Mr. Koegler stated yes. That very likely would be integrated with the opening portions of
the comprehensive planning discussions so they would combine those two agenda items.
Mr. Sielaff stated he did not see the role of the Commission at this point. Once this
information comes back, they would do something at that time when the initial process is
finished.
Ms. Dacy stated the Planning Commission is a advisory commission to the City Council.
Anything on the comprehensive plan will be brought to the Planning Commission's
attention. Mr. Koegler will be going to the City Council meeting on September 14. Staff
wanted to discuss this with the Planning Commission. Also, the more they talk about the
more they get the word out. They wanted to start with the Planning Commission to see if
they are on the right track. For those who attended the vision meeting, is what Mr. Koegler
put together accurate? Did he interpret the comments correctly and/or in a way in which
the Commission feels comfortable?
Ms. Sielaff stated he attended one of the meetings. This is broad enough to incorporate
everything.
Ms. Savage agreed. She did not see anything that was not a part of what was generally
talked about. She thought they had done a good job.
Mr. Koegler stated they would continue to keep the Planning Commission involved as they
continue with this process.
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MnTInN by Ms. Modig, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the minutes of the
Emergency Housing & Redevelopment Authority meeting of June 26, 1998.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to receive the minutes of the Housing &
Redevelopment Authority meeting of August 6, 1998.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mr. Sielaff stated these minutes had not yet been approved by the Environmental Quality &
Energy Commission.
MnTInN by Mr. Sielaff, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to receive the minutes of the
Environmental Quality & Energy Commission meeting of August 10, 1998.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
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Mr. Hickok stated provided an update on City Council actions. Upon request, he provided
an update on the status of the Lake Pointe development.
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MnTInN by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Sielaff, to adjourn the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED AND THE SEPTEMBER 2, 1998, PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 9:35 P.M.
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Respectfully submitted,
Lavonn Cooper
Recording Secretary