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PL 09/04/2002 - 30923� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Savage called the September 4, 2002, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Diane Savage, David Kondrick, Barb Johns, Larry Kuechle, Dean Saba, Brad Dunham Members Absent: Leroy Oquist Others Present: Paul Bolin, Planning Coordinator Scott Hickok, Community Development Director Tracy Berglun, Director of Catholic Charities Janet Pope, Community Housing Dev. Corp. Peter Kramer, A�chitect for Brandes Place Neighborhood residents (see attached list) APPROVE THE AUGUST 21 2002 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES: � MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to approve the August 21, 2002, Planning Commission meeting minutes as presented. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of a Plat, PS #02-03, by Brandes Place Limited Partnership, to replat property into two lots, generally located at 6160 5th Street NE. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of a Comprehensive Plan Amendment, CP #02-01, by Brandes Place Limited Partnership, to change a portion of the City's Comprehensive Land Use Plan in order to allow higher density on th� property, generally located at 6160 5�' Street NE. 3. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of a Rezoning, ZOA #02-01, by Brandes Place Limited Partnership, to rezone property from R-2-Two family Residential and C-3 General Shopping to R-3 General Multiple Units-Residential, in order to accommodate 16 multi-family housing units, generally located at 6160 5�' Street NE. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to open combined public hearings #1, #2, and #3, and waive the reading. ^ UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING OPENED AT 7:35 P.M. �� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 2 � Mr. Bolin stated that the petitioner and property owner on this request is Brandes Place Limited Partnership, set up for the Brandes Place Project and the Church of St. William. The petitioner is requesting three separate items in order to construct 16 townhome style multi-family units at 6160 5�' Street. The Plat is being requested to create a new parcel for the construction of 16 townhomes style multi-family units on the parcel. The Comprehensive Plan Amendment is to change the City's future land use map designating the future use of the newly created parcel as multi-family housing. Rezoning the parcel and the remaining St. William property to R-3 multi- family would allow the construction of townhouses on the site. The property is bordered on the south by 61 � Avenue, on the east by 5�' Street, on the west by University Avenue. The Norwood Square senior building is to the north, and the Moon Plaza shopping center is to the northwest. Mr. Bolin stated that the petitioners are seeking a plat to divide the current St. William properly into two separate parcels. The plat creates the lot descriptions necessary for transferring the property from St. William to the Brandes Place Partnership. The creation of the second parcel will allow the lot area needed to construct the proposed townhome units. The proposed Brandes Place lot on the preliminary plat is referred to as Lot 1, and the remaining St. William parcel is referred to Lot 2 on the preliminary plat. The proposed lots both exceed all zoning code requirements regarding lot size and lot width. The proposed Lot 1 of the Brandes Place lot is slightly over one acre in size, and the remaining St. William parcel is nearly six acres in size. The church's building still meets all setback requirements so no non-conformities are being created by this plat process. Also, the Church of St. William actually owns portions of 5�' Street, 61� Avenue and the east University Frontage Road. The City has a right to use those for a roadway easement at this time. It is more common for the City to own the streets where the � right-of-way is located, and the City will get those through a dedication as part of this plat process from the church. Mr. Bolin stated that staff recommends approval of the preliminary plat with stipulations. Mr. Bolin stated that in the Comprehensive Plan amendment request, the future land use map of the comprehensive plan designating the new Brandes Place parcel proposed on Lot 1, is sought to be changed to Multi-Family residential in the year 2020. Prior to that being rezoned from C-3 and R-2, to the R-3, the future land use map must be changed to show that multi-family residential would be acceptable in the future. A rezoning cannot be done without first changing the future land use map of the Comprehensive Plan. The future land use plan and map visually display the entire land use plan for 2020, and both properties are currently designated as public/semi-public on the future land use map. That designation is placed on all institutional types within the City of Fridley including churches, schools, Unity Hospital, and City buildings. Mr. Bolin stated that the future land use map depicts Norwood Square, the commercial to the west where Moon Plaza is, and the St. William campus is public/semi-public. The petitioners are requesting to simply change the portion of the Brandes Place lot to multi-family housing. The remainder of the St. William campus would stay as public/semi-public designation. The proposed project of the Brandes Place townhomes does meet many of the guidelines for the comprehensive plan. The design and location will help provide for a positive community image and development of affordable housing for all age groups. The proposed project helps the City further a number of goals for the comprehensive plan. Staff recommends approval of the Comprehensive Plan amendment request with stipulations. �� Mr. Bolin stated the third and final request is to rezone both of the proposed parcels and the remaining St. William campus to R-3, multi-family: These properties are currently a mix of R-2 0 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 3 ^ and the C-3 zoning. The church does not have plans to convert its property to commercial any time in the near future and to make for a cleaner rezoning application. They decided to ask for rezoning of their property as well as Brandes Place property. Mr. Bolin stated that if the zoning is successful, the entire parcel would become R-3 and this would be an extension of the Norwood square property to the north which is already R-3. The law gives the City authority to rezone property from one use to another so long as the rezoning is in conformance with the comprehensive plan. The granting of the request will not result in spot zoning as it will be an expansion of the existing R-3. There is very little developable land in Fridley, there are no vacant multi-family lots in Fridley. This site is unique in that it borders existing R-3 property. An expansion of that current zoning district would provide an opportunity for some more housing options here in Fridley. Staff recommends approval of this rezoning request with stipulations. Mr. Kuechle asked if the legal description was unusual. Mr. Bolin stated the legal gets cleaned up through the plat process. Mr. Dunham asked if the Norwood Square zoning was changed also. Mr. Bolin stated that it was changed in 1993 to R-3. Mr. Kuechle asked where the City was in meeting its affordable housing goals. /", Mr. Bolin stated the City currently meets its goals. Mr. Hickok stated that the gap keeps narrowing, however, the City fared very well years back because it had a large number of affordable housing units. This real estate market shifted values upward and the number of units that fit in the affordability range have been diminished somewhat. As a result, Metropolitan Council has been adjusting the affordability ranking. A $160,000 value for a detached single family house would be considered affordable by Met Council rankings, but in today's market, many people cannot afford that. Ms. Savage asked what would be affordable in terms of townhomes according to Metropolitan Council. Mr. Hickok stated that he does not have those figures, but Fridley fares well in apartments in terms of affordability. The detached single family market has been affected by the positive influence of the real estate goal. Ms. Marilyn Wegsheider, 7875 East River Road, stated she is the Director of Social Justice and Outreach at the Church of St. William. The parish leadership and staff decided to see if they could donate some land for housing. The average age of a homeless person in the shelters in the metro area would be 6 1/2 - 7 years old. They are concemed about families having safe, decent, and affordable housing. They went through a process of ineetings with parish council and leadership committees to come to that decision. They felt that people are more important than keeping the land. They are also part of the Norwood Square which was St. William land at one point. Janet Pope, Community Housing Development Corporation of Catholic Charities, is � the grant writer. 5 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 4 ^ Ms. Pope stated that her corporation is a partner in the Brandes Place Limited Partnership with Wells Fargo as an investor. They are a non-profit developer with over 2,000 units and are the largest owner of multi-family affordable housing in the State. This project will be permanent housing for working families. They have partnered with Catholic Charities in the past because Catholic Charities is skilled in managing populations that have challenges in their lives. They are looking at low income families that need help with work with jobs, transportations, linkages with other services in the community. They have very high standards for their housing. They will keep in touch with Catholic Charities and the housing. They agree with all the stipulations. Ms. Tracy Berglun, Catholic Charities, stated that Catholic Charities would be managing this project. Catholic Charities has 25 years of managing housing in the metro area and manages 500 units right now. They will have an on-site caretaker at this site, and a service coordinator will link folks the services they might need in the community as well as property management caretakers. Thorough background checks will be done on each application. Ms. Savage asked what kind of background check they do. Ms. Berglun stated they do criminal record background checks. Anyone who has a history of arson, high level sex offense, and serious crimes or narcotic charges will not be permitted. Mr. Peter Kramer, architect for the Community Housing Development Corporation and Catholic Charities, stated that he is working on this project for St. William. This is 16 units of permanent housing in a townhouse configuration with nine two bedroom units and seven three bedroom units. It will front 5�' Street NE. There was a lot of discussion in how to access this site with the /'1 existing topography. They ended up with four buildings with four units each. An entrance at the middle �oes to the parking lot and the play area in the back of the site. By locating the buildings along 5 at the street level, they are able to take advantage of a one-story break in the sites so that they could do finro story townhouses that are consistent with the architectural character of the street but have walkouts at the back. By dividing the units in a cluster of four, they were able to create penetration into this site between the buildings and also at the drive area so it gives some visual connection to the back of the site and more than just the center area. The design will be cottage-like with low sloped roofs and connected in the middle with plantings and a front porch for each unit. On the rear walkout area, there will be small private landscaped gardens for each one of the units and parking at that level. They are proposing to use cement board siding and trim at the lower level. The walls befinreen the units would be colored masonry. /"�1 Mr. Kramer stated that the front would be fully landscaped as the drive to the back and there will be a central play area. The trash enclosures would be at either end. They have reviewed the building plans with staff, and staff did not find any problems. They are in the process of approval for the ponding issues identified in stipulations. They have met the criteria and do not find stipulations to be restrictive. Mr. Kuechle asked how high above street level this would be. Mr. Kramer stated it would be two stories and the back will be three stories facing the church. Ms. Savage asked what the price of each townhome would be. Mr. Kramer stated these are all rentals. 0 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 5 ^ Ms. Pope stated that the rents are set befinreen $800-$1,000 per month, but they have Section 8 subsidies on all of them except for the caretaker unit. Everybody in 15 of the units will pay no more than 30% of their income. Mr. Dunham asked how many square feet the units are. Mr. Kramer stated that they are 1,400 square feet not including the basement. Ms. Johns asked if the trash enclosures have recycling space as well. Mr. Kramer stated they always include recycling as part of the space. Mr. Kuechle asked if the 1,400 square feet was on the finro upper floors. Mr. Kramer stated that it is on the finro upper floors. The third bedroom units would be a little bit bigger. Ms. Christine Garrety, 1051 67�' Avenue NE, stated she has lived in Fridley since 1945 and is a member of St. William Church. A meeting was recently held at the Community Center with 62 people there; 42 were over 80 years old. The 2000 census states that there are 3,281 people in Fridley over age 65. In three years, 1/3 of the population will be over 65. They really need more senior housing. Ms. Savage asked if she was opposed to this project. i� Ms. Garrety stated that she was. Mr. Jim Saeflce, 6131 5�' Street, stated that he is in favor of the development. It will be attractive and well managed. Families need a break and he knows too many people that need a place to live through circumstances beyond their control. That would be through divorce, injury, death, illness, or when one of the breadwinners becomes incapacitated. Mr. Don Mahr, 6181 5�' Street, stated he does not want to see this project built. The senior center is right there also, and he is fine with another senior center. Mr. Myron Helgert, 6030 2"d Street, stated that he appreciates diversity of people, incomes, talents, cultures. He is looking forward to even old people in Brandes Place, because he is sure they will have many talents, skills, and gifts to share with one another. Ms. Jean Coyle, 6271 6�' Street, stated that she has lived here for 43 years. They as parishioners of St. Williams Church had no say so in this land being given away. There was nothing publicized. The people on 5�', 6�', and 7�' Street, facing this development are seniors. Next door there is Norwood Square, which is seniors. Why would they want a family dwelling in there with children and the noise of children, teenagers, and the traffic? They want to keep this a senior neighborhood. They pay the bills at this church and why did we not have a say so in what was going to be done with this land? It is unfair. Mr. Tom Myrha, 6360 Able Street, stated that he has lived in Fridley for about 40 years. They have liked the area for the schools, and it is a good place to raise kids. They have never � wanted to leave Fridley. Thirty years ago he was on the Planning Commission, and they felt they would change zoning only for extreme cases, and they would not ever change the �'/ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 6 � complexion of the neighborhood. He has found, in all of his school teaching experience, that there is a direct relationship beiween the subsidized housing and school performance. Why should they put 16 families in the area where there should be four families? Is this part of the comprehensive plan? Where did this come from to get multi-family housing in single family housing neighborhoods. ,� Mr. Brian lacono, 6081 4�' Street, asked how this Section 8 subsidy is worked out with who are selected. Ms. Pope stated that Anoka County residents will have preference, and they need to get those residents on Met Council lists. Doing marketing like other apartments will be done, but they will work with social service agencies in Anoka County. Mr. Ed Sworsky, 491-61St Avenue, stated that he is upset about this because the parish did not notify him that they are giving this land away. The first people who move in here may be in there for 30 or 40 years. He has lived in his house for 40 some years and watched many changes occur in F�dley. Who is going to pay for this? The church will work with Catholic Charities, and that may mean that they are going to contribute some more money to this. Can they discuss this project again when it goes to the City Council? Ms. Savage stated that if this is approved or denied, it will go to the City Council, and everyone will have the opportunity to speak again. She stated members of St. Williams may want to deal with the church directly about the other issues before the City Council meeting when the final decision will be made. Mr. Sworsky stated that the school could not handle all of these extra children of approximately 48. Mr. Eldon Eggerud, 5870 5�' Street, stated that anytime you have subsidized housing, property values always seem to go down. He is against this project. Ms. Gwen Veerhert, 1040 67th Avenue, stated that she was a property owner of Section 8 rentals, and it tumed out to be a nightmare. Mississippi Street has Section 8 and the police respond to that area quite frequently. That may be a concem and she is against this project. Mr. Bamey Buss, 6050 5�' Street, asked if there will be future buildings beyond these first 16 units on parcel 2. The article in the Star Tribune regarding this housing stated that the new programs are to give shelter and support to childless adults with emotional and social barriers, impoverished families in crisis and immigrants, particularly Hispanics." He has heard many inconsistent remarks, and credibility is a major concem. The principle of democracy is violated by the process of St. William by not allowing the parishioners to vote. Moving this through as quickly as possible did not allow the parishioners to be made aware of it. It took only six days for the church to move this through. When the people objected, they said "too late, it is a done deal." Other organizations have used this tactic to circumvent democracy, and the residents must stand up to these violations of democracy. A proposal is to let them go ahead with the project for seniors only. This will accomplish affordable housing, and this will improve the church's image. The impact on the schools will be none, and neighbors would be more willing to help seniors as opposed to the younger families. There would be more compatibility and reduced traffic and noise. Last week's Focus News reported Wellstone's comment that !'� affordable housing is desperately needed for seniors. This neighborhood is objecting completely to the way it is proposed now. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 7 �"'� Ms. Dee Larson, 6161 5�' Street, stated she lives right across the street from where the entrance will be. She is a single mom of three kids and is struggling and may lose her home due to unseen circumstances. It is a lot easier for her to get out, get a job, and get herself on her feet than it would be for senior citizens. There is a definite need for senior housing. She has worked with Blanket of Hope and has personally seen the struggle seniors have. Her ex- husband owned a business in Moon Plaza, and it suffered because the pond could not hold the water that was there. Excess parking on the front of 5�' Street concems her also. Ms. Pat Dufresne, 6121 5�' Street, stated that she supports this and is happy to be part of a community that would suppo�t the needs for struggling families. Diversity is healthier and she felt she was invited and included in the meetings at St. William. Ms. Mary Heinen, Sister at St. Joseph, stated that after the tomado in Fridley, Fridley came together and was known as friendly Fridley. Common Bond community is the group that built Norwood Square. When she was oriented, she did not like the tone of the people who were against this. Now she is hearing good things about seniors. She wants to support this project, because Norwood Square worked out and people will be productive in Brandes Place and move ahead. Mr. Tom Guza, 6221 5�' Street, stated that all of the values of people's properties will get worse. Things like this take away the rewards of hard work and responsibility. Why does America reward the irresponsible? Mr. Jerome Tiller, 1555 Gardena Avenue, stated that he is in favor of housing for seniors. St. �'""� William has done much to provide housing for seniors in Norwood Square, and now they see another urgent need for affordable housing for families that could use help to get ahead. It is a beautifully well planned complex. Catholic Charities is a good manager. He hopes the Commission would recommend approval to the Council. Ms. Ellen Roeker, 451 Rice Creek Terrace, stated that she is supportive. She would not want to see her properly value go down or her neighborhood fall apart. Catholic Charities will manage this well. She has no guarantee of her own new neighbors and how well they will take care of the property. Ms. Mary Schwartz, 5836 Washington Street, stated that the waiting list for Norwood is so long and people cannot afford it. There should be affordable housing for those seniors. They cannot get a job. She works at a place where people come in and are not insured and they have better care than people who are insured. They are not afraid to come in, and people who are insured are afraid to come in. The system is not working, but they should be teaching people to manage money right. Some of the people on the list for this housing can all go out and get a job. They are not handicapped. Get educated, be responsible, save your money whatever you need to do. If you do not eam it, you do not deserve it. Ms. Laurie Brooks, 5960 4�' Street, asked how close people can be monitored as time goes on. Is 30% of the income from jobs or welfare? About three years ago, she wrote a check for $5 for Catholic Charities, and she has gotten over 150 requests for more money from them since by mail. Ms. Pope stated that it is 30% of whatever source the income comes from. They are targeting �1 this to working families from Minnesota Housing Finance Agencies and families that are moving from welfare to work. Six units are targeted specifically for that and all the units will for people 0 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 8 i'"'� who are working. It is permanent housing and no future buildings are planned for the site. If people move in who are not on the lease, that is grounds for eviction. Ms. Johns asked how often that is monitored. Ms. Pope stated that they would have an on-site person that would be very aware of that, and cars that are parked inappropriately. They will expect the properly to look good and cars parked where they should be. Mr. Kramer stated that the number of cars is based on a formula the City requires. It is about 2.5 cars per unit. Ms. Pope stated that the supervisor and part-time staff will be made aware of all of the codes the City of Fridley requires and to follow them every day. Ms. Berglun, Director of Catholic Charities, stated there are monthly safety inspections of the units so they are very aware of people living there. They are good managers between the service provider, the caretaker, and the property manager. If there are issues, they will hear about it. Mr. Buss stated that he did not get his question answered as to what types of families will be live there. Ms. Berglun stated that they will be low income families from Anoka County. The housing laws ,� do not permit them to exclude anyone because of race, creed, disability, and they will be doing thorough checks. If some people do not meet the criteria, they will not be permitted. Ms. Katy Vechell, 6201 5�' Street NE, stated that all she can do is shake her head °no". They keeps saying affordable housing, but this is called Section 8, which is nothing but trouble. It brings in crime, it brings in riffraff, drug trafficking, ruined properties. Traffic will be worse. Will there be 80 new people total? You have the fire coming down, police coming down, urgent care, all driving down the street more. The police o�cers come flying down 5th Street very fast. It seems like the petitioners do not even live in Fridley. Ms. Pope stated that the building will accommodate approximately 60 people, and there is a 30- year commitment to this property. A study was recently done by University of Minnesota that shows that subsidized housing does not affect property values, particularly well managed affordable housing. Ms. Jody Gamble, 6020 5�' Street, stated she lives a block down from St. William and is raising two children as a single parent. She is deeply concemed about the traffic and the people. Would the Commission members want to live a block down from this development? Would they like to raise their children with this in the area? There is already Section 8 housing just finro blocks down, and they have a lot of problems with these kids. There are problems in the schools because of the kids that go there that do not have the proper supervision. The neighborhood cannot handle this going in. Who is going to stop the parties? The traffic will be too dense for that small area. Ms. J. Zmuda, 6051 4�' Street, asked who was paying the taxes on this property. What is the � effect on the schools? She cannot even afford to live in her house anymore and has to sell. 10 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 9 �",, Ms. Pope stated they will be paying the property taxes. The rate worked out with the City will be $18,000 per year. Ms. Chris Lauer, 6141 Trinity Drive, stated they moved in just over a year ago due to the fact that Fridley would stand up and give support for affordable housing to all people and not be discriminatory upon them. Dr. E. Switzer, 5870 7th Street, asked how many children would be going to the schools that would live here. He is a former educator. Ten years ago one out of every six children were coming from just one apartment building. He wondered what this place would look like 30 years from now. He wondered how things will change when different people get involved. Ms. Muriel Sharpe, 5924 5�' Street, stated they are proud of a community that is doing something like this. When neighbors asked them to sign the petition against the project, they refused to sign. She knows of finro instances in the past year where a family was living in their car, so she knows there is a need. She urged the Planning Commission and Council to do some research about Catholic Charities and talk to communities where they currently have houses. Talk to police departments in those neighborhoods and see if calls have increased. Talk to the neighbors of Catholic Charities housing. Mr. Tim Keenan, Moon Plaza co-owner, stated that staff is doing a good job representing this project. He is concemed with the zoning changing around Moon Plaza that it might restrict Moon Plaza in any way. Since the apartment building behind the plaza went in, they have had trouble with water collection in the basement. Affordable housing is going to be pushed by Met ,'� Council and will be in demand. Mr. Tom Myrha asked how many Commission members live near the development. Mr. Kondrick and Ms. Savage stated that question is not important or relevant. Mr. Myrha stated that it is an important question. Ms. LouiaThompson, 6270 7th Street, stated that she used to live across from a Section 8 4- plex, and she was always calling the police regarding drugs, etc. She is a single mom and has a 14 year-old-daughter who has a really crowded class. This is not a good idea with added traffic. Mr. Paul Hengel, 5932 6�" Street, stated he has lived in Fridley since 1977. Is there any criteria on how long the people have to live in Anoka County before they can apply for this housing? How thorough are the background checks? They now live in a no-fault society; and if a person has not had an offense for two years, does that mean the offense is wiped out? Ms. Berglun stated they take things on a case-by-case basis. If there is a pattem of crime, that person will not be a tenant. They choose tenants whom they believe will succeed. They are very careful who they allow in and follow up on any issues that do arrive. They get the applicants' names from the Met Council lists, and she is not sure how one of those residents meet the requirements of the background check. Mr. Sworsky stated that he wants to know where the people will go when or if they are evicted. � 11 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 10 � Ms. Berglun stated that when they give notice to folks for non-payment of rent, they will try to see what other resources there are in the community. Mr. Erik Lindquist, 6251 6�' Street, stated it is his understanding that the church will manage this place, and they will also be in charge of visitors? Ms. Pope stated that Catholic Charities will manage the property. Mr. Lindquist stated that the church is already separating from this project. Ms. Pope stated the church is collaborating and may provide mentors, but Catholic Charities will manage the building. Mr. Lindquist asked who is in charge of the facility. Does Catholic Charities understand they will be held accountable for the people placed here? It encompasses the actions of the people living there. He is very opposed to this project because Section 8 housing causes nothing but trouble. He has never seen it promote any well-being for the neighborhood whatsoever. Ms. Dianne Guzik, 1485 66�" Avenue, stated she has a 3-year-old and they work hard to have their small house. All these people coming in their with their culture, the way they raise their children, and their work ethic, is not appropriate for her daughter. We will move if this comes in there. A resident stated he lives two houses across from this project. He believes that two buyers of �''1 his neighbor's house did not know about this project. Mr. Chuck Jones, 7430 Van Buren Street, stated that it seems like this is very unfriendly Fridley. It is chaotic. The problems in Fridley and everywhere today are becoming a parental concem. Drugs and traffic are for police to deal with. Everybody deserves a chance to get on his/her feet. Probably one person in every family needs a break at one time in their life. If they screw up you call the cops. Mr. Stan Barble, 6151 5th Street, stated that he moved in his house one month ago. After they had signed the agreement, they found out about Brandes Place. They were scared to move in but had to let the finance go through. They did some research when we bought this house as far as the property value reports. People do need a break, so he is undecided. He suggested people take a look at the crime around the Section 8 housing reports. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Johns, to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED AT 9:26 P.M. Mr. Saba stated that he is concemed about this project. He does not like the way it changes the character of the neighborhood. He does not like the path Fridley is taking at this point with increased density. There is a new townhouse development on University Avenue and that will have an adverse impact. He does not agree that this project fits the comprehensive plan as this changes it. He is concerned about the rezoning and this is spot rezoning. They just rezoned this area for senior housing. He is strongly against the proposal and will vote against �, recommending this to Council. 12 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 11 �"� Ms. Johns stated that Fridley's population is changing. She is amazed that Fridley's seniors do not support the younger generations and people trying to get a start and the first-time homeowners. The comment was that they will accept seniors going across the street, but not families. That scares her. This is a tough decision. No one really wants this in his or her neighborhood and deal with the problems and troubles. Every community has to deal with this. The City has to meet its numbers and look at housing needs. They cannot change these different cultures impacts by saying do not come into our neighborhood. They do not have the time to do researches for Catholic Charities. Section 8 housing does not have a good reputation. She does not think that she can support this. Seniors in this area may not work either with different housing needs without stories. It is sad to think they are not receptive to changes, but she does not know that it is the right step to take. Mr. Kuechle stated that the rezoning and changes in the comprehensive plan are well within the structures the City has. They expect to modify the comprehensive plan from time to time to fit the City's needs and the same is true for rezoning. They already have R-3 here, and he does not feel it is spot zoning because R-3 is adjacent and there is commercial to the back. This may not be the best use of the land, but Fridley should try to offer all kinds of housing. He is confident the Catholic Charities organization will do a good job of managing this property as well as any Section 8 property can be managed. He would vote in favor of this. Mr. Kondrick stated he agreed with Mr. Kuechle. He has listened to everyone's comments carefully and appreciated their concerns. He does not agree with many, however, and would vote for this change and this welcome addition. �°1 Ms. Savage stated she agreed with Mr. Kuechle and Mr. Kondrick and does understand the concem. She has been reading of studies of what to do with older first ring suburbs like Fridley where there is no space to develop. The Brookings Institute study about this has recommendations in conformity with what the staff recommendations are here. Part of that is not the picture some of the neighbors had when they first moved in long ago. Multi-family dwellings with more density is recommended, and there are beautiful communities with intense density. She looks at BCA (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension) records every day, and the proposals made here show strong reliable attempt to keep this a good neighborhood and make sure they are good tenants. They have this need, and she would vote in favor of the project. Mr. Dunham stated that he is not comfortable with changing the zoning. Befinreen the R-1 and the R-3, it seems to be a little bit higher density than he would like to see here. Mr. Saba stated that the neighborhood already has significant amounts of Section 8 and multi- family housing in this area. He thinks it is too much now. With this kind of housing, you wind up with people that do not have an ownership in the community. That creates other problems. One neighborhood can only take so much, and this neighborhood has more of this housing than any neighborhood in the City of Fridley should have to tolerate. MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to recommend approval of PS #02-03 with the following stipulations: 1. The petitioner shall dedicate street right-of-way as indicated on Preliminary Plat drawing. 2. The petitioner shall obtain all necessary permits prior to construction. 3. The petitioner shall identify ponding area and provide easements for stormwater run-off and management. !�, 4. A storm pond maintenance agreement must be filed prior to issuance of building permits. 5. The petitioner shall obtain any required NPDES Permit and NURP ponding for entire site. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 PAGE 12 � 6. City Engineering staff shall review and approve grading and drainage plan prior to issuance of building permits. 7. Code required refuse and recycling enclosures must be installed. 8. A landscape plan shall be reviewed and approved by City staff prior to issuance of building permit. 9. The petitioner shall pay any required park dedication fees. 10. The petitioner shall provide proof that any existing wells or individual sewage treatment systems located on the site are properly capped or removed. 11. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay the required park fees prior to issuance of building permits. 12. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay all water and sewer connection fees prior to issuance of a building permit. UPON A VOICE VOTE, COMMISSIONERS KONDRICK, KUECHLE, AND SAVAGE VOTING AYE, COMMISSIONERS JOHNS, SABA, AND DUNHAM VOTING NAY, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION FAILED BY A TIE VOTE. MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Kuechle, to recommend approval of CP #02-01, with the following stipulations: 1. The petitioner shall dedicate street right-of-way as indicated on Preliminary Plat drawing. 2. The petitioner shall obtain all necessary permits prior to construction. 3. The petitioner shall identify ponding area and provide easements for stormwater run-off and management. 4. A storm pond maintenance agreement must be filed prior to issuance of building permits. °1 5. The petitioner shall obtain any required NPDES Permit and NURP ponding for entire site. 6. City Engineering staff shall review and approve grading and drainage plan prior to issuance of building permits. 7. Code required refuse and recycling enclosures must be installed. 8. A landscape plan shall be reviewed and approved by City staff prior to issuance of building permit. 9. The petitioner shall pay any required park dedication fees. 10. The petitioner shall provide proof that any existing wells or individual sewage treatment systems located on the site are properly capped or removed. 11. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay the required park fees prior to issuance of building permits. 12. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay all water and sewer connection fees prior to issuance of a building permit. UPON A VOICE VOTE, COMMISSIONERS KONDRICK, KUECHLE, AND SAVAGE VOTING AYE, COMMISSIONERS JOHNS, SABA, AND DUNHAM VOTING NAY, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION FAILED BY A TIE VOTE. MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to recommend approval of the ZOA #02- 01 with the following stipulations: 1. The petitioner shall dedicate street right-of-way as indicated on Preliminary Plat drawing. 2. The petitioner shall obtain all necessary permits prior to construction. 3. The petitioner shall identify ponding area and provide easements for stormwater run-off and management. !� 4. A storm pond maintenance agreement must be filed prior to issuance of building permits. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 4, 2002 ,� 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. ,'� PAGE 13 The petitioner shall obtain any required NPDES Permit and NURP ponding for entire site. City Engineering staff shall review and approve grading and drainage plan prior to issuance of building permits. Code required refuse and recycling enclosures must be installed. A landscape plan shall be reviewed and approved by City staff prior to issuance of building permit. The petitioner shall pay any required park dedication fees. The petitioner shall provide proof that any existing wells or individual sewage treatment systems located on the site are properly capped or removed. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay the required park fees prior to issuance of building permits. The property owner of record at time of building permit application shall pay all water and sewer connection fees prior to issuance of a building permit. UPON A VOICE VOTE, COMMISSIONERS KONDRICK, KUECHLE, AND SAVAGE VOTING AYE, COMMISSIONERS JOHNS, SABA, DUNHAM VOTING NAY, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION FAILED BY A TIE VOTE. Ms. Savage stated this will go to Council on September 23 at 7:30 p.m. 4. RECEIVE THE MINUTES OF THE AUGUST 14, 2002, APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING: MOTION by Mr. Kuechle, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to receive the minutes August 14, 2002, Appeals Commission minutes.. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. OTHER BUSINESS: Mr. Bolin stated that Julie Jones, Environmental Planner, asked him to pass out a handout regarding the Springbrook Nature Center program for municipal official training for education regarding problems with water quality in the community. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Ms. Johns, to adjoum the meeting. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE SEPTEMBER 4, 2002, PLANNING COMMISSION ADJOURNED AT 9:42 P.M. RespectFully submitted, ��r �e, c� p Signe . 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