PL 03/05/2008 - 30939R
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
March 5, 2008
Chairperson Savage called the Planning Commission Meeting to order at 7:29 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
MEMBERS ABSENT:
OTHERS PRESENT:
Dean Saba, Diane Savage, Brad Sielaff, Jack Velin, and
Leroy Oquist
David Kondrick and Brad Dunham
Stacy Stromberg, City Planner
Pat Lawrance, Signcrafter's
Duane Downey, Amtech Lighting
APPROVAL OF PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES:
February 20, 20008
MOTION by Commissioner Oquist to approve the minutes as presented. Seconded by
Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING
Consideration of a 5pecial Use Permit, SP #08-04 by Amtech Lighting on
behalf of Holiday Gas Station, to allow an electronic message sign to be
incorporated into the ezisting freestanding sign, generally located at 5695
Hackman Avenue NE.
MOTION by Commissioner Sielaff to open the public hearing. Seconded by
Commissioner Velin.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE HEARING OPENED AT
7:32 P.M.
Stacy Stromberg, City Planner, stated the petitioner is requesting a special use permit to
allow an electronic reader board to replace the existing numeral reader board on an
existing pylon sign at the Holiday Gas Station located at 5695 Hackman Avenue. A
freestanding sign already exists on the subject property. In 2006 the property received a
special use permit approval to allow an L.E.D gas pricing sign. At this time the petitioner
is seeking to change out the existing 21.5 squaze foot manual reader boazd sign with the
same size electronic reader board sign.
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Ms. Stromberg stated the subject property is located on Hackman Avenue, just east of
Highway 65 and is zoned C-2 General Business. The property has been used as a service
station since the 1950's, and in 1975 the property was rezoned from C-1 Local Business
to C-2 General Business. In 1999 a special use permit was issued to allow the motor
vehicle fuel sta.tion store and, as a result, the existing Holiday sta.tion was constructed.
Four fueling sta.tions covered by a canopy were also constructed on this site, and a sign
permit was also issued for the existing pylon sign in 1999.
Ms. Stromberg stated electronic changeable signs are an approved special use in any
zoning district except residential, provided the message does not change more often than
once every 45 seconds. The sign also needs to be in conformance with the sign
requirements for the zoning districts in which the property is located. The property is
zoned C-2 General Business which requires a freestanding sign cannot exceed 80 square
feet in size. The total sign area of the existing sign is 78 squaze feet and the proposed
electronic piece is 21.5 square feet. After replacing the old sign with the new sign, there
will be 44 square feet of electronic sign area that will exist on this sign.
Ms. Stromberg stated after further review of the existing sign, it appears that it is
deficient in meeting two code requirements related to freestanding signage on
commercial properties. City Code requires that all freestanding signs be 10 feet from a
property line or driveway. 'The existing sign is 10 feet from the west property line;
however, it is only 2 feet from the driveway coming into the lot. City Code also requires
a minimum of 10 feet from the bottom of the sign to the finished ground grade when the
sign is within 25 feet from a driveway or a corner vision safety zone. As a result of these
findings, it will be necessary to stipulate that the sign is either moved to be 10 feet from
the driveway or a variance shall be obtained. It is also necessary to stipulate that either
the height of the sign is increased or the size of the proposed electronic reader board sign
be reduced so the distance between the ground and the bottom of the sign is 10 feet. In
no case shall the sign exceed the maximum code reyuired height of 25 feet.
Ms. Stromberg sta.ted City staff recommends approval of this special use permit as
electronic changeable signs aze an approved special use in a commercial zoning district.
If the special use permit is approved, it will repeal and replace Special Use Permit #06-
10. City staff recommends if the special use permit is granted, the following stipulations
be attached:
1. The petitioner sha11 obtain sign permit and current sign erector license
prior to installing any signage on site.
2. The petitioner shall submit plans to City staff showing how the 10 foot
requirement from the ground to the bottom of the sign will be met prior to
issuance of a sign permit.
3. The petitioner shall move the existing freestanding sign to be 10 feet from
the property line and driveway or a variance shall be obtained to recognize
the existing setback prior to installation of the proposed electronic sign.
4. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under
Section 214.07 of the Fridley City Code.
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5. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract
vehicular traffic in the area.
Chairperson Savage asked whether the City has had any contact with Jan Rautio,
Manager of the Moore Lake Apartments, who submitted a letter opposing the sign?
Ms. Stromberg replied Julie Jones did have a discussion with her explaining the details
of the sign. Ms. Rautio stated she would not be able to attend the meeting tonight, so
Julie Jones encouraged her to send a letter instead. The petitioner can address some of
the concerns stated in her letter.
Commissioner Sielaff asked about the deficiencies in the sign right now, were they there
when it was originally approved?
Ms. Stromberg replied, yes, they were.
Commissioner Sielaff asked what is the reason for it not being taken care of up until
now?
Ms. Stromberg replied, she cannot answer that. She is not sure why that was not more
closely looked at when it was originally insta.11ed. Therefore, they are recognizing that it
exists now and asking them to comply.
Commissioner Sielaff asked, in other words the Code has not changed?
Ms. Stromberg replied, no, it has not.
Duane Downey, Amtech Lighting, stated those footings have been there a long time for
the sign. He thinks when Holiday purchased the property, they got permits to redo the
driveway and that actually moved the driveway closer to where the existing sign is.
Mr. Downey stated regarding Ms. Rautio's letter, she sta.tes she thought the sign would
be too bright. L.E.D. signs generally do not put out more light than an existing
fluorescent sign. If you had a flashing L.E.D. sign it could definitely be an annoyance,
but since Fridley's code doesn't allow the sign to flash, there shouldn't be a problem.
Chairperson Savage asked Mr. Downey if he had any problems with the stipulations?
Mr. Downey replied, no, those are not going to be any problem. There is room to move
it to get it to the 10-foot setback. The only problem he had was it being directly under the
high power lines but they can work around that.
MOTION by Commissioner Saba to close the public hearing. Seconded by
Commissioner Oquist.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE HEARING CLOSED AT 7:42
P.M.
Commissioner Saba stated he thinks it the best situation. It is more convenient.
Commissioner Oquist stated it is important at the intersection the sign does not flash
because it is a bad intersection to begin with.
Commissioner Sielaff stated he believed it was an improvement over what they have
now because they will be in compliance.
Chairperson Savage stated the City did do a study of electronic signs about five years
ago in other eities. She just has a concern, not necessarily about this particular sign, but
that we are getting kind of an explosion of these signs. 5he wondered if it would be
possible for the City to take another look at the ordinances covering these signs in
compazable cities. She certainly does not have a problem with this sign. It would not be
fair to deny this petitioner when it is a permitted similar request.
MOTION by Commissioner Saba approving Special Use Permit, SP #08-04 by Amtech
Lighting on behalf of Holiday Gas Station, to allow an electronic message sign to be
incorporated into the existing freestanding sign, generally located at 5695 Hackman
Avenue NE with the following stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall obtain sign permit and current sign erector license
prior to installing any signage on site.
2. The petitioner shall submit plans to City staff showing how the 10 foot
requirement from the ground to the bottom of the sign will be met prior to
issuance of a sign permit.
3. The petitioner shall move the existing freestanding sign to be 10 feet from
the property line and driveway or a variance shall be obtained to recognize
the existing setback prior to installation of the proposed electronic sign.
4. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under
Section 214.07 of the Fridley City Code.
5. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract
vehicular traffic in the area.
Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOU5LY.
Chairperson Savage informed the petitioner he will need to be at the City Council
meeting on March 24 because they are the ones who will make the final decision.
2. PUBLIC HEARING
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Consideration of a Special Use Permit, SP #OS-O5, by Michael & Patrick
Lawrance to allow limited outdoor storage on the property, generally located
at 7765-77751V�ain Street NE.
MOTION by Commissioner Oquist to open the public hearing. Seconded by
Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE HEARING OPENED AT 7:43
P.M.
Stacy Stromberg, City Planner, stated the petitioners, the owners of Signcrafters, are
seeking a special use permit to allow limited outdoor storage on their property located at
7775 Main Street NE. T'he property is zoned M-2, Heavy Industrial and is located on
Main Street, north of 77�' Avenue. The petitioner plans to use the outdoor storage area
for storage of motor vehicles and signs. The outdoor storage area is proposed to be 3,991
square feet and will be located on the north and east sides of the existing building.
Ms. Stromberg stated in October 2005 the petitioners had placed a temporary sign in the
public right-of-way advertising the availability of outdoor storage space if somebody
wanted to rent industrial outdoor storage space. It was at that time that staff notified the
petitioner that outdoor storage areas in the industrial district require a special use permit.
After repeated letters and telephone conversations, the owners of Signcrafters were given
a deadline of March 3, 2006, to submit an application for a special use permit for outdoor
storage. On March 8, 2006, when no application had been received and negotiations had
been broken down, staff issued a cita.tion to Patrick Lawrance, owner of the property, for
having outdoor storage on an industrial property without a special use permit.
Ms. Stromberg stated in response to the criminal citation, the owners of Signcrafters
filed a civil case against the City arguing that they were allowed to have outdoor storage
on the property because they had a legal nonconforming condition. The civil case needed
to be resolved before the criminal case because if Signcrafters prevailed in their position
on being legally non-conforming, no crime was committed by having their outdoor
storage. Consequently, the City's criminal case was put on hold. The civil case, as well
as the criminal case, was finally resolved in a settlement agreement by the Fridley City
Council on January 7, 2008. The settlement agreement required the owners of
Signcrafters to apply for a special use permit by February 1, 2008 which they have and is
what we are discussing tonight.
Ms. Stromberg sta.ted this case is not like a typical process for outdoor storage special
use permits. It is different because there is a settlement agreement that has already been
approved and agreed upon by the City Council and the petitioners as to what is going to
be allowed for outdoor storage on this site.
Ms. Stromberg stated after submitting the special use permit report to our legal stafF at
the end of last week, the City's legal staff advised us that instead of approving the
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stipulations that staff had placed on the special use permit that are in the Planning
Commission packet, the Planning Commission should instead recommend to the City
Council approval of the resolution that is part of the settlement agreement.
Commissioner Oguist asked if they are going to be setting some sort of a precedent, that
they aze going to be seeing more of this rather than stipulations on the special use
permits?
Ms. Stromberg replied, no. This is a very unique case.
Chairperson Savage asked Mr. Lawrance if he had anything to add?
Pat Lawrance, President of Signcrafters, replied it has gone on for several years and he
thinks they are finally in agreement of where everything is at. He received a copy of the
resolution and difference in calculations is due to a survey being obtained. He thinks that
everybody is on board both at his office and here at the City. They are okay with
everything.
Commissioner Oquist asked Mr. Lawrance whether they plan on leasing out this area
for outdoor storage?
Mr. Lawrance replied, no, they aze in agreement that the auto body business that they
lease part of the building to will have cars and Signcrafters will have signs in the area that
they are allowed to have outdoor storage.
Commissioner Oquist asked whether he would be putting signs out on the right-of-way
again.
Mr. Lawrance replied, no, they cannot do that except if their tenant they rent their
building to as said in his contract after three years should go away, they may put a small
"For Lease" sign out just to attract a new tenant within the City guidelines.
MOTION by Commissioner Saba to close the public hearing. Seconded by
Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE HEARING CLOSED AT 7:52
P.M.
MOTION by Commissioner Saba approving Special Use Permit, SP #08-05, by Michael
& Patrick Lawrance to a11ow limited outdoor storage on the property, generally located at
7765-7775 Main Street NE with the following Resolution No.
CITY OF FRIDLEY
RESOLUTION NO.
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SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AT 7765 MAIN STREET AND
7775 MA1N STREET, FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA.
The above matter came before the City Council of the City of Fridley and was heard on
the day of , 2008, on a petition for a special use permit for outdoor
storage pursuant to the City of Fridley Zoning Ordinance, for the following described
property:
7765 Main Street and 7775 Main Street, Fridley, Minnesota
IT IS ORDERED that a spe�ial use permit be granted as upon the following conditions or
reasons:
1. As depicted on the attached site plan (E�chibit 1), the existing outdoor
storage azea is limited to a maximum of 3,195 square feet, exclusive of the
area occupied by a single waste dumpster on the premises. [note: the
sign plan will reflect that the outdoor storage area will be located on
the pavement, loading dock or trailers along the east side of the
property, and will not be located on the 21' by 19' space at the north
end of the trailers or elsewhere, however, the dumpster may be moved
to this area.] To reduce the likelihood that open areas outside the lawful
outdoor storage area parking area, and driving or turnaround areas are
inadvertently used for the purpose of outdoor storage, those open areas
outside of the areas designated in the site plan for outdoor storage, parking
or driving or turnazound areas shall be landscaped with black dirt and then
seeded with grass that becomes established, is then cut regularly and
otherwise maintained.
2. Other areas of the property will not be used for outdoor storage unless the
property owner or owners have first come into full compliance with those
portions of the state and local law then in effect that regulate outdoor
storage-related activities including, but not limited to, curbing
requirements, paving requirements, drainage requirements, and storm
water management requirements.
3. As depicted on the attached site plan, the outdoor storage azea is limited to
a side or reaz yard.
4. The materials and equipment kept in the designated outdoor storage area
must be fully screened so as to not be visible from any of the public rights-
of-way adjacent to the site, or from either of the commercial uses adjacent
to the site. Satisfaction of this condition will require the addition of
opaque screening that encompasses the north, east and west sides of the
outdoor storage area, including on the gate or gates.
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5. Screening of the outdoor storage area sha11 be achieved through a
combination of masonry walls, fencing, berming, or landscaping in
accordance with Fridley City Code § 105.17.06G.(1)(a). Compliance with
conditions 4 and 5 may be achieved through either (1) installation and
maintenance of a combination of slatting from top to bottom of chain-link
fencing and gates and Engleman Ivy planted along the fencing every two
feet on center, or (2) installation and maintenance on all feneing and
gating surfaces of 90 percent black privacy screening material. For
purposes of this provision, "maintenance" includes replacement of broken
or deteriorated slats or other materials, caze of all ivy plans and
replacement through replanting of any diseased or dead ivy plants.
6. Materials and equipment stored outside must not exceed 12 feet in height.
7. If any of the trailers currently used for outdoor storage aze moved or
replaced, the property owners shall then be required to pave the area
beneath the trailers and extend the curbing to the entire east side and the
entire north side of the outdoor storage area as depicted on the attached
site plan. In the interim, the property owners must install or keep a solid
wood floor in each such trailer.
8. This permit does not authorize the outdoor storage of semi-trucks, semi-
trailers, or heavy construction equipment. This condition does not prohibit
the use of up to three units for the outdoor storage of parts so long as those
units are within the area permitted for outdoor storage, and their height
does not exceed the 12-foot requirement of condition (6) above.
9. Hazardous chemicals and materials may not be stored outside.
10. Except as otherwise specified above, Petitioners must fully comply with
these requirements no later than June 1, 2008.
Adopted by the City Council of the City of Fridley this day of , 2008.
Scott Lund, Mayor
Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNA1vIMOUSLY.
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Chairperson Savage stated this does go to City Council on March 24 at 7:30 p.m.
2. Receive the Minutes of the February 7, 2008, Housing & Redevelopment
Authority Meeting.
MOTION by Commissioner Oquist to receive the Minutes. Seconded by Commissioner
Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON SAVAGE
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Ms. Stromberg reminded the Commission they have one item at their next meeting on
March 19, 2008.
ADJOURN
MOTION by Commissioner Saba adjourning the meeting. Seconded by Commissioner
Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, ACTING CHAIRPERSON
KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNAMOUSLY AND THE
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 7:48 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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I)enise M. Johnson
Recording Secretary
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