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PR 04/28/1975 - 311956 MIN[fl'�S OF Tf� I2EGULAR PARKS AND RECR�ATION CCx'1^'LISSION MEE'TING _ APRTL 28, 1975 Meeting was ca11�1 to order to 7:30 p.m. by Vice Chaizman Peterson. � A'�MBERS PRESE�]T: Caldwell, Harris, Peterson, Wagar QTf�RS PRESENT: Juan Salas, 5810 5th St.,N.E., 571-6750 - Soccer Juan Salas Jr., 5810 5th St., N.E., 571-6750 - Soccer Luis Salas, 5810 5th St., N.E., 571-6750 - Soccer Nick Scarcella, 6051 5th St., N.E.; 571-4342 - Soccer SeariT�nbert, 5965 4th St., N.E., 571-2374 - Soccer Andy Lamb�rt, 5965 4th St., N.E., 571-2374 - Soccer Dale Anderson, 5910 4th St., N.E., 571-959� - Soccer R. J. Hughes, 548 Rice Creek, LINO LZ�ICES PARK Mr. Bob Hughes was present to discuss the Lino Lakes project. He said they had agreed with the to�,ms up there (Centerville-Lino Lakes) that they would retain at least 800 of it as wilderness or undeveloped area. He said there would be hiking trails, open areas, etc., but r.o develornnent of ��i�er sorts. He said that the other 20o would be available for use as almost anything. He mentioned that there was a snall golf course in there now. He said there had been talk of developing it into scxne other facilities, for instance, boating, fishing docks, day camping, over- night camping, etc. He went on to say that he felt one of the reasons Fridley was interested in this area was because the watershed up there is basically the }�eginning of Rice Creek, and that it flows down through Fridley to the Mississippi. He said that it passes through Ramsey County and two parts of Anoka County. He said that . both of these counties have movzcl in the�direction of improving tne streambed and � protecting it frorm development to a certain �xtent, and that Fridley had moved in that direction also. � Mr. Hughes felt one of the things which was important in deciding what was to be done with the Lino Lakes Park, was to find out what Fridley is doing here and what the desires of the Fridley City goverrunent citizens are, related to that area up there. He went on to say that he was here to tell them this was in operation and the desire was to have a coordinated effort,and to answer any questions as best he could. �ie wanted to aslc them what the plans of Fridley as a City are, as well as the Co�nissioners relative to Rice Creek and the area around it, and what would they most like to see in the Lino Lakes Park that would camplement the programs and facilities that they are plaruiing here . Mr. Brown stated that the City of Fridley has plans for leaving the Creek it- self in a"natural" state and development there �uld be some type of trail and maybe scane additional bridges. He said they had a bridge or two that they had already put over it. Mr. Brown mentioned that we now have a new m�nber of the city staff, Dr. Dan Huff, our Naturalist/Resource Coordinator, who w�uld also be i.nterested in Mr. Hughes�inforniation. He said that the reason Dr. Huff wasn't at the meeting was because he was leading a.c�roup in the park. Mr. Hughes asked the Ca�ission if they had given scgne thought to the relation- ship between the City's parks ancl any adjacent parks, either in Ramsey County or further upstream in Anoka County. Mr. Harris replied that they hadn't, fran a specific standpoint but frcxn a utilization standpoint obviously, since they are available to us as taxpayers of I�nolca County and if there were programs developed to utilize them, he didn't see any reason why they shouldn't encourage their use. He felt the Lino Lakes area Miniii�PC � nf 'tYle Pai}CS & Recreation Cce�4nission Meeting ' April 28, 1975 Page 2 iiiii should be left in as natural state as possible. � Mr. Hughes said that in buying the land the County did agree and this agreement is in writing, that they wauld not develop more than 80% of the land. He said that their plan at this point is to develop much less acLUally. Mr. Harris mentioned the fact that people are going to have to drive to the Park and �herefore some public facilities are going to be necessary up there. Mr. Hughes concurred but said the plans are more long range and their target date to have the prelim�nary plans together and presented as a recarunendation was a year fran last February• He said they would rather proceed slowly and with a certain amount of coordination.� Mr. Peterson suggested that they put this subject on their July agenda ar�l iri the mean-cime they can ask for staff recar�nendations and ask Dr. Huff for his reccarunendations. He invited Mr. Hughes to come back again in July when the Conunis- sion can give him their input. , Mr. Brown asked Mr. Hughes to send him a copy of his group's minutes which he turn would give to the Cc�ii.ssion m�nbers. He zlso mentioned that we would ser�cl him our minutes as they relate to his project. • « � Mr. Juan Salas was present to continue his discussion regarding obtaining two soccer fields in Fridley. � ^ Mr. Wagar asked Mr. Brown if he had heard from the school. Mr. Brown replied that he had talked to Mr. Hedren who referred him to Messrs. Larson and Leslie. Mr. Brown explained that he had in�ited th�n to tonight's meeting, however, he hadn't heard fran them and they obviously weren't at the meeting. Mr. Brown suggested that Mr. Salas use Madsen Park as it was no longer being scheduled for many softball games. He also mentioned that Locke would be available.- Mr. Salas stated that they need some portable goalposts. Mr. Brown replied that if Mr. Salas would supply the specifications and drawings, the Parks Depart- ment would build the portable goalposts. MOTION by Harris, seconded by Caldwell, to a11ow Juan Sa1�s the use of Locke Park and Madsen Park for his soccer program. The motion carried. Mr. Salas asked when he could start playing in the parks. Mr. Brown replied that he could go into the parks inmledi.ately, however, he would have to advise Mr. Salas the days at which time he could not be at Madsen, due to the softball games. Mr. Salas stated that their games would be on Saturdays, at which time Madsen is always available. Mr. Brown mentioned that there is another field which is quite flat, namely Ruth Circle, and that Mr. Salas might want to take a look at it. Mr. Salas asked Mr. Bra�m if the Parks Department had any soccer balls. Mr. Hrown replied that it didn't. Mr. Salas stated that his club was selling soccer ^ balls for $13.00 and would be glad to sell th�n to Mr. Bra�m. ,�;.,,.+�� nf the Paz'ks & Recreation Cc�inission Meeting � April 28, 1975 Page 3 r�:.-r�: �.. Waga�. asked Mr, peterson to get this soccer.probl�n on the agenda on the .� next District #14 meeting and f�_nd out why they wr�n't cooperate with Mr. Salas in letting him use their school tacilities. Mr. Peterson said he had tried this several times. He said that one of the problems you have with the school is that it is not ccnmunicated to the school board. He cited as an example, tw� years ago, when they wanted to have a basketball prorram and they said that we couldn't use the gyms so they talked to the school board members as t�payers asking why they couldn't use the gyms, and consequently the last t,ac� winters the� v�eshacl��with the cooperation of the Parks and Recreation Department► a very g Pr��• �• •: � � « The gentlenan who had called regarding this situation was not at the meeting so Mr. Brown reported that the gentleman felt the City should provide some type of dog obedience, as he felt some dogs do not behave properly when they are with kids, etc. He felt the City should provide dog obedier^e classes, just as they provide craft classes, etc. Mr. Harris mentioned that we w�uld then be competi.ng with a n�r of schools who are already offering this course. MARC�I MTNUTES Mrs. Caldwell asked for a correction to the Minutes of the March meeting regarding her motion on horseshoes. The motion was chanqed to read as follows: MOTION by Caldwell, seconded by Wagar, that the Horseshoe League have permission -� to match the existing facilities at Commons 'Park. The motion carried. Even though we originally agreed to let the Horseshoe League match the e�isting facilities, Mr. Brawn stated �ae are now going ahead and put in the c�nent walkways and they are going to provide the clay, irons, and the anchors for the irons. He e.xplained that they thought we were going to put in everything, even though in our Minutes they simply asked us for pc�xmission to do the �rk th�n- selves. CONCESSIONS - MOORE LAKE BEACH The possi.bility of changing our policy at the beach and allowing Mr. George Hanson to run our concession stand was discussed. The Con�nission agreed that they wc�uld prefer to leave it as is, so that the Parks and Recreation Departrnent has ccgnplete control of it. MOTION by Wagar, seconded by Harris, to keep the beach concession as is. The motion carried. The Co�mission asked Mr. Brown to advise Mr. Hanson when he called, that the City is researching the possibility of enlarging their own facility and do not wish to make a change at this time. The Commission did, however, stipulate that they w�uld be open in the future to a concrete proposal frcHn anyone, including Mr. Hanson or a service organization looking to make money. They asked.Mr. Brown to look into the possibility of enlarging our facility in 1976 and report back. � Mr. Brown mentioned that they had considered the possibility of buying a small freezer and had $400 in the budget, however, they were $600 or $700. Mr. Harris said that he could get a chest type for the Departrnent. Mr. Peterson said that the Football Association had bought a small one which Mr. Brown might want to take a look at, to see if one like it wc�uld fit our needs. �nutes of the Parks & Recreation Ccennission Meeting � Apri1 28� 1975 Page 4 Mr. Harris said that due to the Fiscal Disparities Bi�s�i�not qui eeas�nan- ^ of revenue, scgne of the land that we contingent to our par cially int�xesting to the ccg�unity as it was before tne bill. The reason for this is because you retain 60o and give back 400. He suggested that the Con�nission give sane preliminary thought to acquiring that portion of property between Hart Carter' and the west edge of our service drive in Locke Park.. Thi.s land is east of Carter Day but west of our drive into Locke Park. He asked Mr. Brown t.o check into it and find out how much acreage is involved. -� COMMISSION CF-iAIRMAN Mr. Brown reminded the Co�anission of the resignation of Mr. Don Blair as chair- man of the Can�nission and asked if they had given ar�y thought to a replacement. He said Mr. Blair had dropped the Planning Co�unission and therefore was no longer on the Parks arid Recreation Ccx�unission, as whcgnever is appointed to the Planning Com- mission is autcgnatically Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Co�r¢r►i.ssion. There was some discussion as to ��hether this was correct. �ame of the Corcnissioners ��lere ur_der the impression that it was the other way around. They asked th�t a copy of the Planning Corc�nission Ordinance be sent to them to study. � � �. �;�IUI��YY MOTION to adjourn the meeting at 9:30 p.m. The ne.xt regular meeting will �e held on.Monday, May 19, 1975 at 7:30 p.m., in the C�ununity Roam of Fridley Civic Center. Respectfully sukxr�itted, � i / ��% � � L��G � ��%�"��r�,` �" J'c� at,�; 5ecre�a-"�iy to the Ccx�nission ,}� Y WY v .-•.