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PR 01/30/1978 - 31233- �.,.� "�.e�� � � � - _ , . ) __„ � � '� !t' � PARKS b� RECREATiQN Cf�1�II�S�i:ON , r MEETIN� J�;NU,ARY 30; 1978 �F,I�S PRESEI�T: Rohin Suhrbier, Jan Seeger, Leonard Moore, Betty Mech M@�fB�RS ABSENT: Bob Peterson (Yi�igRS PRESENT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recxeation �irector, �'ack. Kirk, Program Director Michael Franzen, Planning Departrnent Ray Leek, Planning Aide }�an Allen, 6240 Rice Creed Dr.- ' Kathy Divine,-6170 Benjamin St. N.E. - Glenn Van H�2zen, F.Y.S.A. President Bernie Hartman, F.Y.S.A: Judy Hengstler, Gir1s' �roomball CALL T4 ORDER. � � .,,,� Vice-Chairgerson Suhrbier called the meeting to ordar at 7t40 p.m. l�iP£'R4UA%� 4F 3�.'�j:JARY 9, 1978, PARKS bc RE�1tF.:�1TIf}N COMMISSION MINTTTES: Nis. 3uhrbier stated that'on page 5, fourth paragraph, the second sentenee shoulci read; "She said Iir. Hansen, H.A.F. Presi.dent, had made a gooe� point when he said something shou�d fie c3.one ;to revise the priority sa that th� younger kids could get earizeX iee time." M�TIC?1Q b�.B�try Mech„ secon.ded by Leonard Moore, to approve the 3anu�ry 9,- 19i$,,; Parks & Racreation .Cc3mmission minutes as amended. Upon a voice vpte, all voting aye, t�ie mption carxied unanimously. AFPROVAL OF ,AGENDA: 7.'he following two items w�re added to the aganda; Naturaiist Positivn - I�em 5 under "➢irector`s Report" Calumbi.a �Ieights Communicating Canferenee - I�em 2 under "Ne�a;Bu�iness" MpTI4K by,Betty.Mech, seconded by L�onard Moore, tv aP�rove the agenda with ths a�nve twa addiCians. Upon a voice vote,:all vating aye, the motion . ca�'ried unanimously. , � �. � �- > e w,,�,r,„,.�� �. PA1tKS' � RECREATiON C�MPiIS�IQAI ML�ETII� JANUARY 30, 1978 - PAGE 2 DIRECTOR'S REl'QRT• . Z. Snowmobiling Area �Sears' yease) Mr. Boudreau stated that the City had.signed a lease until April lst for the Sears' property. The property had been posted and a parking lot had been.constructed at the north end. They were putting a'brief article in the gu� notifying the residents that this was the only recognized, authorized snowmobiling area within the �ity of Fridley. They were urging people to use it and, hopefully, the lease agreement could be instituted at a mueh earlier date the next year so that people could become accus�omed to that a�ea.. It may reduce some of the snowmobiling in Locke Park and North Park. ; 2. Letter from Anoka Gounty : Mr. Boudreau stated that the Commissioners had a copy of the letter he had recei�ved from Mr. David Torkildson,Director of parks & Recreation of Anoka County in answer to Mr. Boudreau's questions regarding allocations of ice tiu►e• Mr. Boudreau stated that regarding the information the Commission h�d �hat the City had no Monday through Thursday ice tim�s, Mr. Tarkildsbn hac�:.pointed out that the city did and had listed the dates. Mr. Torkildson had also stated that at some point in time in the past, the Hockey Association had met with the M.A.A.A. District and the priorities were chamg�d so that M,A.H.A. had a higher priori�y. This was a different � impression than M�r. goudreau and the Commissioners had received. 1rlx': Boudreau stated>that the positive fact coming from the letter was that Mr. Torkilds rna w�s wil�.ing to sit down and talk out gossibie solutions. M,r, goudreau stated there was a six-month arena on the planning board for the northern section of the county which should eliminate some of the ressures on /�' P Colu�bia ,�►rena.' Mr. $oudreau stated he had talked with Mr. ,7ack Hansen, H.A.F. President; and they would be meeting with Mr. Torkildson and he would report back to the Coamnis,si.on at a lat'er date . Ms. Suhrbier referred to page 2, paragraph 3, of Mr. Torkildson's letter in which Mr. Torkfldson stated, "I �aould also recomme�d that recreation direetors and associations discuss taith their schools the possibility of accepting hockey as part of their athletic curriculum and allow them to use Columbia Arena between the hours of 8:00 a.m, and 3;00 p.sn." I�, Suhrbier stated she.would be concerned about that as that was when children were supposed to be in school. She asked Mr, Boudreau to clarify this with Mr. Torkildson. Ms. Seeger;stated she felt Mr. Torkildson did not tell how they came up with these prioriCies. S�e stated he had also mentioned that prior to the bufiding of prena II, there were skaters using the facility until 2;00 a,m. The kids Chat needed the ice time were the young ones and there was no way they could have them skating until 2;,00 a.m. MOTI0�1'by Jan Seeger, seconded by Betty Mech, to receive Mr. Torkildson's letter dated 3anuary 2U, 1978. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. , e„ . a�.. . :. �-' . . . � . . � '; � /'1. .'�: PI ' �I _ sl I � -_ .. - PARKS-� RECREATION COMMISSI(3N MEETING JANLTARX 30, L97$ - PAGE 3 , : �\ 3. innsbruck Towcihouse Assaciation - Letter Mr. Boudreau stated he k�ad fina]:Iy go�ten a response from Mr. Tom Wiley of the Innsbruck Tawnhouse :�ssociat,ion datesl January 16, -197$, giving pex�nission to c�ear Farr I,ake fvr a slcating area for use' by the Int�sbr�ck Tawnhause residents. Perznissian was given almost right down the line as r.equeste�d by them and that the City take precaution not to disturb the blacktop., So, as far as I�Ir. Baudreau knew, they had been cleaning off the lake far use by the residents o€ that area. They had alsa flooded the area'as requested by Ms. Suhrbier's neighborhood. He stated this was a matter of infor�►ation to the Ccmnmissioners so they would l�now this had been taken care of and that, hopefully, t�ey would have the same permission next year. �+. Danation - Iiarris Lake Homemaker's Club (Jennifer Prasek) Mr. Boudreau sta�ed the H�rris Lake Homemaker's Cl�ub had attended the City Council rneeting the previous Monday and were kin3 enough to make a $200 donation to the development of the Harris L�ke property.' Ms. Prasek has stated this hopefully wou�.d be an ongoing type of donativn, that t�ie _ money raised from bake saies, etc., would be used toward the:development of '; Chat parl€. , ^ Mx: Bc�uareau stated he had been at the City Council meeting and had tY�az�ked �°-' the �ar�i�s Lake iiomemaker's Clula ., He s.tated . he thought the Commission , � � shpuld be inf4r�ned that ��s: .. � group was taking pride in thei:r� neighbor- hood., He s.tated that a thank you letter had been written to them by the City M�nager. Ms. Se�ger stated she would Iike to see this have some pub3.icity. 3t might � stit�ulate sc�e interest in the other neighborhaods; and it might be a nice positive thing coming £ram the Farks S� Recreation`Commi�sion.on what was happeaing in Fridley. : Mr.,Baudreau st�ted that it might be better to-invit:e the Su�. to the meeting with the Hazris yake neighboxhood group the next.mo�th. Possibly a picture ccsuld ,be taken then 6f the Homematcer's Clu� and this information eould be ;� � repeated. � MtY�IQN,I�y Betty Mech, seconded by �an Seeger, that Mr. Boudreau write a ', ].ett�r to the Harris Laks Homemaker`s Club thanking them.for their enthusiasm, as well as their donation: Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion:. carried unanimously. 5. N�t�ralist Position � `Mr. goudreau st�ted that they were still in the pracess of loo�ing for someon� ta fi12 the A�aturalist positian and would ' continue taki�g apgli.ca- 1� tions and f.ntervi.ewing until they fQUnd the right person to fill that '� go�itiom. �hey �a�d had appli�ants from all over the ccauntry;. They were ; looking t4r. that perso� who would do`an o�tstanding job a�d they wou2d `; not he satisfied with or rushed for anything else. '' � PARIGS & RECREATIQN CCi�IISS�4N ME�TIN�, JANt7ARY 30, 1978 - PAGE 6 . � 2. Columbia Hei ng ts Cammuni�ating Conference . . . . ... .. . .. - . ... � . . . � .. . � - 3 Ms. Suhrbier wanted to bring to the Couenission's attention information xega�ding a semina� call�d "Communfcating; you, Me & Us," a stimulating ; s�minar for teens and adults to explore innovative ideas of human relationships; presented bp a task force of experienced speakers. The seminar was to be held March 2, Z97$, at the Central Jr: High �chool, Columbia Heights, and there was no admission fee. ' OLD BUSINESS• 1. Neighborhood Review of Park Plans - Ray Leek Mr.Boudreau introduced Ms. Kathy Divine and Mr. Dan qllan to the Commission, They were invited to the meeting to hear the review of the next step of what` th� �ity was doing with the genjamin/Briardale area, to bring them up to date, and to give them some examples:of how the City had used tk►eir hel:p and the other fine people on the committee. Mr. Leek stated he and Mr. Fransen were at th� meeting to show Che Commission 'what they were doing and how they would like to handle the demonstration af tne park des�gn. He handed out a sample of the kinds of questions and introduction they would like to hand out in the neighborhood to get results: fihere:taas also a brief description of what they were trying to do in F'ridley ^ in.the redefi€�ing and redesigning of par�s. Finally, there was a kind of te�tta��.ve scheduled process of the way they wanted to:handle their initial deacon�tration. Mr. �,eek went over this sheet with the Ca�nissibners. Mr. Leek stated that first, was the development of the questionnaire. In dis¢ussions with Mr, goudreau and Mr. Boardman, they felt it would.be beneficial to ca11 a meeting for neighbarhood residents indicating what , it was �he City intended to do in th�ir area and also publicize it in the. paper and �able TV so people in the area would lazow �hat city employees were going to be coming out to talk Co them. After that would come Che distri.bution and collection of the sur�ey, which was anticipated to take one-two'weeks. Finally, they would like to cail another meeting of the aeighborhood residents to discuss the results of the survey to get further feedback about the way in which the par�C should ba desigr�ed and how it should:be developed for maxiu►um effectiveness. They would anticipate ; ritaki,ng adjustments on the design for that park and, hopefully, would do the construction �f that park this year. Mr. Bcn�dreau stated that after the information was gathered from the ,: reside�nts, Mr. Fransen would come up with a prototype of the Benjamin/ . griardale area using Che information the residents had said they wanted. ; j,jhetn they went bact� to another meeting with the residents, they could . � te11 the residents ehat was what they had eome up with, what did they l�ke'ar dislike'abont it, and how would'it fit in their neighborhood? � Even at that pofnC, there was the flexibility to change the design of the �- � gark. WtYat they were looking for was total input from the potential users �.�, � of the parks to the planning stage and then ta the development stage. ��� � : , , ; j , { , � � . ' P,.4RKS & RECItEATIQN CO1+�S�SSION ME�TING J,ANUARY 30, 197$ - PAGE 5 / \ Mr. Van Hulzen stated th4 F.Y.S.A. was asking the Parks & Recreation Department to provide the follawing: 1, payment of participanC and team fees to the M.J.S.A. 2. groperly maintained and maxked playing fields for aIl . practices and games {� �ields required) 3. Provide refereea for ail house league games 4. Provide a total of 4_sets of goals : - Mr. Van H�lzen also stated thar the rules and regulations were a modified set of-the M.J.S.A. rules. iie asked the Commissioners to take special note of Rule �21 on:the last gage; "The object a� all games played within ,-the gYSA is enjoymant while learning soccer skills. All players ntust play at least half Che game, unless the player has been absent from practice. Tf a player does not play at },east half the game, the coach is expecLed to: contac� the player"s paren,ts to explain the situation. A. Violators of the participation rule will repart to the FYSA Board of'Directors far d.iscipline." Mr, Van Hulzen stated they.were very adamant about this. ParticipaCion was �1 in the FYSA standards. Ms.:Seeg�r stat:ed she felt the referees should be handled in°the sa�e manner as they were for football and hockey--the City wauld pay the referees, but the FYSA would contro.l. the referees and set up the rul�s.> � � A�Ir, goudreau stated ha would xeeommend for Item l that the Ca�issicn allacate up'to;$7Qa this year for th� entry fees into the N1.3.S.A. traveZing team system with the stipulatian that n.o one was eliminated from the prograrn - at any;point in ti.me, and thaC pre-season`scrimages not be'used as a triai period to see who would make the traveling teams. -For Item 2, he could ' -come up with three fields, but 3aould try to come up with a fou�th field. : � For Iteiq 3, he would recommend tliat the City again pay the officials, b.ut that:the'FYSA �ould get the officials and assign them. Thay way, i't was $4-6 a game depending an,age group. For Item 4, he said at this time, there r�ere just three fields, a�d they would not need the fou:rth set of goals un�il another €ieid was frsut�c�. ,` , , :�c. Boudreau stated he would a�so recouanen.d .that the:Commission Frould..h�ve � to decide on $1 or $2 per par�icigant. as a fee x.eimbursement to:�the Cit� so they were con�sistent with ttie rest af the programs and to try to affset the cost of the officials, M�TION by Jan Seegex, secon�ied by Leonard Moore, to, agree with Mr, $s�udreau''s recommendations that up to $700 be alZocated to the FYS1�, for the oper�tion of the soccer program with Che stipulation that na one was elimi�nated �rom the grogram at any goint in time; that a$i fee per participant be reim-' hursed to the City far registr�tion costs; that the City would maintain` three fields and would try ta come up with a fourth field and sets of goals, and that the City would pay th� officials, but that the FYSA'woul.d obtain ^ and assign the officials. Ugon a voice vate, all voti�g aye, the motion l �, carried unanimc�usly, � � � ,.., PARK� & RECREATI�N CC�4ITSS�ON MEET�NG, JANUARY 30, 1978 - PAGE 6 2. Columbia Heights ComsnunicaCi.ng Gonference 2�. Suhrbier wan�ed to bring to th� Gommission's attention information regarding a seminar called "�ommunicating; You, Me & Us;' a stimulating seminar for-teens and adults to explore innovative ideas of human re],atianships presented by a task force of experienced speakers. The seminar was to be held March 2, 1978, at the Central Jr: High School, Columbia geights, and there was no admission fee, OLD BUSINESS• 4 _ ,+� , �" 1 : : i r ;' ; , 1. Neighborhoad Review of Park:Plans - Ray Leek klr.$oudreau introduced Ms. Kathy Bivine-and Mr. Dan ,t�Xlan to the Commissiau. � They were invited to,the meeting to hear the review of the next step of`wt�at the �i�y was doing with the �enjamin/BriardaTe area, to bring them up to date, and to give them some examples of how the City had used their help , gud,the other fine people on the committee. Mr. Leek stated he and rir. Fransen were at the meeting to show the Commission : - what they were doing and how they would like to handle the demonstration of the park desi,gn. �Ie handed out a sample of the kinds of questians and _. introduction they would Yike to hand out in the neighborhood to get results. ^; Tt3ere was alsa a brief description of what they were trying to do in gridley 4 in the redefining and redesigning of parks. Finally, there was a l�ind:of.. `'. ���tative scheduled process of tfie way they wanted to handle their init3.a1 " da�mon�tration. Mr. Leek went over this sheet with the Co�issioners. Mr. Leek stated that first, was the development of the questionnaire. In discussions with Mr. Boudreau and Mr. Boardman, they felt it would£be beneficial to call a meeting for neighborhood residents indicating what it was the City intended to do in their area and-also publicize �t in the pape� and Cable �'{� so people in the are:a would know that city'emp�oyees were going ta be coming out to talk to them. After that would come the 4 distribution and col�ection of the survey, wliich was anticipated to take_ E one-two weeks. Finally, they would like to cal� another meeting of the ; neighborhood residents to discuss the results of the survey to get further ' feedbac.k'about �he way ain whieh the park should be designed and how it i s$ould be developed for maximum effectiveness. They would anticipate � making'adjustments on the design for that park and, hopefully, would do the construction of that park this year. Mr. Bccwdreau stated that after the information was gathered from the � residents, Mr. Fransen would come up with a prototype of the Benjamin/ . Briardale area using;the information the residents had said they wanted. -W!hen Chey went back to another meeting with the residents, they could . ? t�Ii the,residents that was what they had come up with, what did they ; like or dislike about it, a�td �►ow wauld it fit in their neighborhood? �_ Even at that point, there was the flexibility to change the desiga ot the park. W'hat thep were looking for was total input from the potential users �'� of the parks to the planni,ng stage and then to the development stage. �„ � i � � � : � . � � z. _ . j �' PARKS & RECREAT�ON CQMMISSION.MEETING JANiJAR� 30, i978 - PAGE 7 { � • .. . Ms . Divine stated the` dev�elopmen� of the questionnai.re would be very . iinporCant to her. Wt�en she had worked on the neighborhood project committee, they had prepared a quesLionnaire and she had personally pu� these into the homes. The res.ponse was very poor and she had been .:__ disappointed. - Mr. Leek stated that �hey were`planning on knocking on doors, and that was why the City was eontemglating hiri�g so�neone to perfarm those tasks : full-time. They were hoping that by sending the interviewer out with a 15-30 minute interview, Chey could get 100p/, response. Ms. Seeger stated that the questionnaire would have to try to soften the barrier that people s�em�d to put up when they came to the door. Mr. Leek stated that since the city was staf€ing-this survey, tl�ey w�ul�l have to make sure to indicate in,their opening remarks that this was a survey for the gurp�se of gathering information of what the neighborhoods wanted in their parks and that nothing wnuld be done over and above what was already in the budget for their parks. Mr. Moare stated he hoped they would initiate a response from the cslde� people, as they did not always think the parks were €or ther�.. n �Ir. yeek stated that he hoped-that in sending people into the ne�ghborhoods, they would_pxepare them to beg3.n diseussions with the interviewees to get them thinking about what parks ware and that parks were more than just teeter totters and swings. Mr. Allan stated th�t he felt something to t�ink about was that the - Benj�min/Briardale area had changed in the last q�ar. There were a lot . of new people moving in then, but now it had become mare settled. HE felt n t.;�, the City was on the right track,,but urged them to be very.specific when giving t�e survey. Peaple, basically, were nc�t park oriented and needed to have all the little necessiCies pointed out to them. Ms. Mech stated she felt the whole questionnaire looked very trivi.al, and thought it shouid be taken more seriously. She feit ��12,"UFO Landing Strip," on the I��roduction of Questionnaire was just taking up space and she would rather see samething more specific such as "be�utiful land- - scaping,�+ Mr. Leek stated that the intenC of that sheet was just to help get people's minds off the beaten track and was not ev�n a part 'of the questionnaire - itself . I�b.s. Seeger stated she felt M�: Mech's point was� valid, though.' By being tao far out, peopie might tend to �ot take the questionnaire seriously. Ms. Seeg,er suggeszed that the interviewers try to stimulat;e' interest in a stage or ampith�atex--things:people'would not usuaJ.ly think of thems��ves. ,t � „ PARKS: & RECRF„ATION GOMriISSI(}N M�ETTNG JA�TUARY <30, 1978 - PAGE 8 -� 1_ Ms. Seeger also suggest�d that things should be talked about such as � access to the parks, traffic through neighbors' yards, and the feneing � 'between yards and the park. These things were real and people should be aware of them, Ivir. Boudreau asked I�Is. Divine and I�tr. Al�an if they would be willing to assist,the City by getting the word out to their neighbors of the City's intentions. MS. Divine and 1�Ir. Allan agreed to do so. The Commission members az�d Mr, goudreau thanked Ms. Divine and Mr. Allan for attending the meeting. 2. geport on $roomba�I prganization - Judy Hengstler Mr. Boudreau stated that at the last meeting, there was a ques�ion raised by a concerned citizen about the girls' broomball costs. This person's daughter had registered, but when she found out the equipment was goiug to co�t around $60, she took her daughter out of the pragram. The Commission had reeammended,that Mr. Boudreau contact the broomball people to give a repart on the additional costs for equipment, He stated•Ms. Hengstler was a volunteer coordinating the broomball program and had consented to give � a.-repflrt on the broomball program. Ms. �ngstler stated she was really sorry there had been a lack of comm�uni- !� cation and she was not snre where iC was. She had tried to be as helpful as possible with information for this person. She stated,as the Commission knew, the registration costs were the basic'costs as they were for football e�r at�ything else. The $6 the Hockey Association kept entitled the girls to a jersey, a ms�uth guard, booklet i.nformation, and some ircdoor ice time. � It was xequired that all th`e girls provide their own helmets and brooms. She stated she aia some research concerning helmets and brooms. She stated that in this particular situation, �'he HAg had some helmets that were acGeptable that they would have sold for $1. So, this parent could have ; had a helmet for $1, but it was refused. She stated that helmets did range widely in price--some $4 and so� $2.50. She�stated K-Mart sold a very �` : g o o d h e l m e t a n d m a s k for $ 1 2, bu t some ran as high as $30. Brooms � averaged in cost.frou► $4.50 to $3.50, but the $4.50 was better, plus � $1 worth of ta.pe for taping the broom. Those were the requirements for � broomball by the HAF, However, they had been strongly recommending that " the girls have elbow pads and shin pads. If anyone had watched bxoomball, � they would see �ahere these were e.xtremely important. Shin pads ran about $6 for a small gir:1 and elbow pads were about $4.25, but those were optional. To her knowledge, no one had ever been told that those were x required. She stated that broomhall shoes were quite expensive--around $22, and they.were not usable for any other sport. They had already made � recommendations for�a_broomba2l shoe exchange.next year. But, she stated, to her knowledge, no coach had ever told a girl she needed broc�ball shoes. � Many of the girls wore snowmobile boots. She was not sure where the $60 :� � _v � �: :r £. . � u . � . � � � � .. � � . � � . . ' . . � . �. � . . . . . . .. f . . . � . � . . . . . . . - � . � . . . , - � �' PARi�S & AECREATIQN C_t}Nfl�iISSZON I�ETING, J,ANUARY 3U, 1978 - FAGE 9 : worth of equipment came from. These total costs would not amount to that � unless they went with first elass equiga�ent al:l the way, i�s. Hengstler� stated she was very definite about safety €or the gir�.s and the elbow pads, shin pads, and broac�ball shoes were definitely safer. _ The �ommissioners agreed that maybe parents should be m�de mare aware of the"need for safety in this game �nd`that safety should be siressed in the next year's broomball program. They thanked Ms, Hengstler for her � � information. Ms. Hengstler took this opportunity to thank Mr. Boudreau for the _ excell"ent ice on the rinks. ADJOiTRNMENT • MOTIQN by Leonard Moore, seconded by Jan Seeger, to adjaurn the meeting . at 1�;15 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 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