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M�ETING �
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�ERS FRESENT;` Bob Peterson, Leanard Moore, Jan Seeger ,
Ml�IBERS ABSENT: Itobin Suhrbier, Betty Meeh
. OTHERS P�SEI�IT: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recrestion DirecLor .
� Jack Ki.rk, Pxagram Directar _
Jerrald Bdardman, City Planner
�' Di�.e Vog�, 1357 Fireside Dr. N.E. - Women's Volleyh�ll L�ague
Glenn Van Hulzen, F.Y.S.A. President
�L Td ORDER • ' .
Chairperson Petersan ca],led the mee�ing to order at' 7:35 p.m.
AP�ROUAL E�F JUN� 19, 1978, PARKS & RECREATION COI+�IISSI01� 1�NUTliS:
� MOTi4�i by Leonard Moore, seccutded by Jan Seeger, Co approve the miautes
f as w�ritten. Upon a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, the motian carried
unanimoeis ly . <
1�.'1'�tOVAi. 4F AGB� : .
The fol3.owing changes we�e made to the agenda. '
ddc� Ltious :
� Reque�t by F�idley 3ayceea - Item D under Dire�tor's Repo�t �
Waodcrest Bagtist Ghurc% - Faeility Use Request - Item C uader �Te�r $usiaess `
1�aore Lake Study - Item C under 02d Business
_ Y.M.C.A, - Itera A under Other Business
Dele�ions: '
Rep4rt_ on Locke Park Probiems - Neil Duncan �to be continued at a�iother
, meeting)
I�TIIPT by Leonard Moare, seconded by Jan See�ger, to aPProve the sge�da as
ame��d. Upon a voice:voCe, all:vo�iag aye, the:�notian carried unani�mously. - �
i , DZ�Tt�R `S R�PORT :
A. Insta��,ation +af Teanis C�rtslPiay rou�d Ec�ui�►ent•
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Mr. Boudreau stated that surfaces had been instal].ed on all the te��► .��
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�. installed at Sprin,�brcwk, Wood�re�t Schoal, �nd Benjami�-$�cis�edale� �:
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D. �Le�uest by J� cy e�s: _ •
Mr. �oudr�su stated t�at the Frid1$y� Jayeees were hostfng the Class C
Men's Slow Pitch 3oftbaYl Tournament on August 19-2Q, 197�. They would
like the ci�y's assistance and approval as'in past years for one man
from the Pa�ks Depart�+etnt to assisC with the uecessary equipment fox
�hese two days.
Mt}TI(�1 by Jan Seeger, seconded by Leonard Moare, to accept the "Directrnr's:
�ego�t" w�th speciPic mention of Item� C& D, to agree with �he ice and
h�key rink Zacatians and ta apgrove Che Fridley Jaycees reque�st. Upon a
voice vote,�a11 votiag aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr..Boudreau stated. that he had �o�e other fCems to menLian, They;had
planted trees fn the Lake Harris property. They were pianning on putting :
in a burm there, two picaic.tabies, and maybe park beinches a3:ong the
lake,tio txy to encourage same use of t�t area.
M�c. �oudxeau sta�ed that he•w�tnt.ed ta mentian that they had Zandscaped
th� boulevard by Woodcrest Sehool to try to divide the fence'area f�ar►
the street. They had al.so sent notices to a11 the h�owuers on 73rd
ask�ng for people ��r-a�sist t� city gs new trees w�:re being stolen.
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Mr. Boudreau stateci t�at the current st_atus of the Lacke Park situation
. was thaz five young 1�Pfe i�ad been arrested f4r und�rage drinking, got, /
etc-, , receatiq . Thae , g�abl,ea� �ti11 eacisted . . `�
Mr. Fetersan stated it was nat on the ageada, but it tied in with the '
� subjeet oF iocke Park, a�1' that was that the Cotm�nission had talcea actian
several ��hs ag.o to look inCt► the p�ssibility of either swapping or
letting the County take over Locke Park because iC-was really being used
as a xegior�al facility rather than a city facility. T�ie Cammissioa had
recei�ed a copy of a memo of a conversatian between Mr. Virgil tierri.ek
aud Mr. D�.ck SobiECh which indicated that t�is was sti1�1 movi.ng. The �
cancensus of everyone Mr. Peter�on h�d talkecl to was that it was a very
�rt thing to do. The Planniag Cammission, in rsading the Farks &
8ecreatian Commissioa minutes,:had also takeA action, and passed it on
to City Couacil u�giug Ci;ty Ca�ncil to move with haste to see that Chis
�ras a�c�anplished .
Mr. Bc�drEau st8ted that' ita 8dditiar�� the Cou�tty,t�88 l.oOki.s�g for a - '
site to buiZd an activity huild3.�tg. If they acquired Lacke Park and
put the �ctiviCy building theze, he thought it would helg reduce the�= �
vaadal3sm, because there would be a caretaker there.
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diama�d, t�ursery, soccer fi�ld, a�.ct i��e rinkds �o it would not be a
. � ce�lete pact�ag+e .
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Air. Pe�erso� stated he.wa� no� sure that profess�.onal st�ff and the �
'�, Ctx�i.ssion had ta b� put in t�e position to negatiate w�;th an autside
g�tnxp, such as _Che Lions Clu�s, on how mone�y was to i�e spent . The
L#ons mi ght sa� r that they wanted to do one thi�g in the p�rk, but that
�mi.�fit"not fit into staff's recaa�tenciaGion. �hen Che Lions tn�:ght not
;w�at to give any money, tsecause they d�.d not agree with the City.
,�fli� by ,�7an See&er,. seconded by Leonard i�foore, to conti.nue the item
; rega�ding :the request hY the Lions Club to resiaare Moore Lake Park utztil
the August meeti.ng. Upvn a yoice vote, all voting aye, the motian
. 'carri�d uaxnimausly.
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'B. Request for Fee Reductian - F.Y.S.A.: ..
� Mr, (�l.enn Van Hulzen s�aCed he had discussed this matter with Mx. Rirk
'snd M�c. Baudresu earlier, and they had asked that Mr. Hul�en come beEore
' the Go�rnission.' He stated that the �cain issue was the F�idle� footb�ll
'€ield vn the hill. With the amoun�;of traffic on it in the past, the
'heavy rains and soccer play, Plus the efforts af the Parks Department �
' to get it into good shape, all had combined to make the field u�.playsble
'for football this fall, paxticularlp the central porticra--b0 yds. x 25 yds.-- .
,� I whiah �was vsry shabbily sodded ,aC t�is point.
:Mr. Van Hulzen statad that the F.Y.S.A., which made the a►ost use of
, that field, ,had a1lc�cated funds for th� purchasin�g of scad iarr th�t area�
��y would like to resod the central portiun. In talking wfth the City
' '�irgi�nee�i�g Dapt . and the• Farks � Itecreation Dept ., th�:3r did nat feel
'� th�re wat.s a need for any great �oLmts of fill to he br4ught in sa the
'� ma�n �hing wa� gatting a�ood p1.sy�b�e su�face. �hey wau�d need approxi:-
` ma�ely 16-1$,40U sq."yds. of sod at bt}�/yd. at a aost of aPProxia�ately '
,$90a. Mr. Boudr�au had sta�ed that:'ha h$d peaple available to do the
' soddi�g tlae first week fn August if the F.Y.S.A. c� up with the sod.
Mr .��n Hu�.zen ' atated that what the F.Y .S .A . was propos3.ng was a reductian
� i�t the user's fee that the F.Y.S.A, paid for �he use of t�at field. A
� 5(�JL �ceduction in the fee would give-the F.Y.S.A. apprc�xiu►s.tely $448 :
, which wauld, in esseace, pay �ar h�lf of the sod . The F.Y .S .A. fawnd it
;vsry easy to explain �o people tha:t the user's fee was used to sod th�.`
field; They got � 2ittle static about that, but naw they ceuld Ce11
' them that:it really wa� used �or �ew sad. It was sa�ething ChaC could
;•be seen, rather tha�' mcr�ey going into a gener�l fund wii�re na one tc��w
`, whffira it aetual�ly went. , -
' 1�, Baudreau stated h� could �ee Ao problem with this proposal . it �
• , oae of th� city'.s fac�li�i�s., �aci they wera trying to make the best of
� a bact siruation. They were laoking .st Che effort of spreading sc�►e a,€
, th� ba,llgames out, outlining another field down below, using Che saccer
f"� €i+eld at L�cke Fark, and going to svme Saturday morning ga�s if pc�sible,
�.� ta t�y io elien4n�Ce acxne of the traf€#.c o�f that football ffeld.
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�, yari Hulzen sfiated that so�xnd�d favorable ta him. He had wanted to
'propase it �ow because of the sod situation. He stated thaC he certainly
appre�iated,the Co�missian taking Che time to iisten to these praposals.
MOTION by'Leonard Moore, seconded by'Jan Seegex, td receive Mx. Van Hulzen's
' recomcnendation in �eru�s of fee sch�dules , Upon a voice vote, all voti�tg
� aye, the motion carri.ed u�ani�nously.
'Mr, Feteicson stated Chat this shouid be put an �he agenda for the August � '
�neeting. He asked Mr. Boudreau to see that a letter was written to
, Mr,�Jack iiansen, H.A.F. President. Mr. Peterson also stated that Mr. �ansen
and Mr. Van Hulzen shou3.d come to the August meeting.
, C. Wooderest Baptist Chureh - FacilitY Use Request; ` :
' Mr, 8oudre�u read a letter dated July 18, 1978, from Mr.'Bob Christenson,
', Athletic Director, reguesCing the use of Locke Pa�k Soecer gieZrl to he
' used by the Woedcrest Baptisr Academy Jr. Varsity and Varsity Soccer teams
far•.gractice and games. Game d�ys wauld be on Tcxesdays` and Fridays and .
' were not yet confirmed as to which games would be h�ne-games requiring the
' facilities. The schedule would be as follows. beginning August 21:
Mon., Wed., Thnrs. -.3:00-5:00
� ,, Hc� Gam�s, Tues . , & Fri . - 3: 00-6 : t)Q -
' Mr. Boudresu stated that this was i3� hrs. of commitment far the saccer
fieid.
2�. Yeterson stated �hat it was his'opiriion tQ deny the requ�:sC,>because
: ;it was•really governmeat sponsorshig of chu�ch�-related activities.
Mr: Baeidrea� stated they were also Iooking at a conflict with city:
' pxog�ams and maatatenance costs. If it was a recreational activity not
related to school and they wanted to use city facilities; that wotald be
�in�. But when they were supplementing the educational function of any
,�rga�ization, Chen he thought the city was on very tent�tive ground
I w3th Che taxpayers' mc�ney .
Mx. Mao�a stated he concurred with Mr. Peterso�► and Mr. Ba�dreau.
Mr. Petex��t stated that the City was already subsidizing the school's
, physical edueation grogram aayway, because they used all the apparaius -
, all day lang tar ree�ss, . . :
I�ktilE)Ai by 3an Seeger, secanded; by 'Leo�ard Moore, to reco�mnend ,that '
�, City;Council de�►y the request from Woodcrest Baptist Academy for use
' of th� Locke PBrk Svccer Field. Upon a.vaice voCe, ail:voting sye, the
motioa carried unaaimously.
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Ms. Vogt ststed that a11 she was asking for was sanctioned referees. -
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,Mr`. R,irk sCated fhat sanctiotted referees were very hard to find.
pfs. �togC agreer�`that fhe eight-�reak,�instructional volleyball class
', saunded goad.
Mr. Bc�udreau sta�ed the City would run the eight-week instructional ,
, voileyball ciass, a�d fram that, there may cc�s�e the interest from those -
I who Iearned the xules to form a power volleyb�ll league in the future. �,
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'� Mr. Petersan stated that if Ms. Vogt was interested in getting an organi-
� zation together, the City had the �greements made with the other associ- �
ations on fiZe. 'He asked Mr. Kirk to obtaia a copy of�one of these agree-
', ments for Ms. Vogt so she could look it over and see what kind of thing
' it was. Ha than,ked Ms. Vogt �or coming to the meeting. .
B. Great River �toad - Jerrold Boardmans � -
' Mr. Boardman stated he was at the meeting by request. He stated there
� had ��een s�ne quuestirm ag to why Esst River Road north of 694 had not :
' been chose� as t�he Great River Road Nozth, rather than;Highway 16�. He
� , stated that the ;'�ea.sost was that Higttway 169 was the only xoad in the �
_ Twin Cities a�rea that met a],i the criteria umder the Federal`Legislation.
, Mr. 8aardman st�ted the wap it was dz�n:e was by having a qualitaCive
evaluatian form,; giving a scare on the eval.uations, and E�.st River Roafl
'sQUth'of 694 scared'higher tt�an West Rive� Road, so,they crossed the
, rive� �t 694 and ran the Great River Road nor�h a� 169. The Federal
, Criteria was a written document of "what a Great River Road shauld be".
' The Great RiveriRoad supposedlX went fram the starting grounds in Itasca
, a11 the way to 1�ew Orleans. When the Federal xegulatians c�ne aut on
this, they said they cvuld fund only those �rdjects directly along the
G�eat R�.ver Road and this had to be at a 9U angle to the Great River
' Rosd for spur ��taffic. If the spur rautes were, for example, south of .
' ,"694, they cauld not exCend a spur route north of 694 to pick up Islands
o€ Peace or any'park property like t'l�at. The reason they did tltat was
, because they did not want any spur routes crossing tne river to a��ther
state. When th� Great River Road'came through Minnesata and Iowa, they,
di,d"not want an;extension into illinois because of state conflicts.
, What t�ey negle�ted at the Federal level was that Minnesota had a river . .
' that went withi� the state. So, now the Mianesota Legislators were
!.tr�ing to chang� this so they could have spur routes on eith�r side of -
' the river, at l�ast in Minnescta. Ae stated he d3d not hav� any more
informat�.on �t this time .
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Mr. Moare askec�;if there wauld be enflugh �ederal funds south oE 694
r..� oit East River Road to buy so�e of the FI�C land and possibly have a
� public lending pr something lfk.e �h�t on.:the ri�erZ
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Y:i�I,C;A. aPpear�d a� the.Fridl;ey �iCy Council:a�d said that they still
had plans to deyelop a facil2,ty in the 1980's according to their capital
budget outlay p�ogram. The�Z did not indicate Che starting date, Based
an Chat informa�ion, the CiCy Gouncil did no� granC permissiun to develop
the service road
on the Y.M,G.A. groperty, and the other progerty owners
would have to do it totally within their owu property. .
Ms. Seeger state�d that she really felt the Y.M.C.A. was a good thing, .
and she would like ta see a X,M,C.A. facility in Fridley. It wauld ba
a big '�plus" for the community.
AATOURNMENT: , '
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1�TIf3N by Leonard Mooze, seca�ded by Jan Seeger, ta adjourn the.•meetfng �
at 9:50 p,m. Up'�on a voice va�e, all voting aye, the mation earried
• unanimously.
Respec�fully sub�ni ed,
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