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1'ARKS & RECP.EATION COMMISSION
MPILTING
APRIL 16, 1980
CATL TO ORDFR:
Chairperson Hughes called the Apri� 16, 1980, Parks & Recreation Commission
meeting ta order at 7:34 ��.m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Pxesent: Barbara Iiu�lies, Jan Seeger, Dave Kondrick, Dick i'oung,
Dan �llen
Members �bsent: None
Others Present; Charles Boudreau, Par�cs & Recreation Director
Ti� Turn��ull, �rime Prevention Coordinator
Larry Bendel�., FYSA - Su�cer
APPROVAL OF MA?:CH 12, 1980, PARKS & P.ECP�EATI�JN C01�1'�Ii ISSIGIvY MINUI'ES:
MOTIQN by 't�Ir. Koudrick, seconded by Mi. Young, to zpp�ove the Marc.h 12, ].980,
Parks & Recreat�an Gemrni.ssion min��tes . -
The following changes were m.ade to the minui.es;
Page 4, rhircl paragrapi-�, second s�ntence sc�oul.d read: "NSI' is
discussing plan.s for e���a.nsien. snd co-g�nex'ation at F.i.versicie."
P3ge 6, second paragraph; secon.d seriYe_ace siiould read; �'He ststed
he and Mr. Boardmar_ the�� ir,et cvith at� ELk Ri.ver firm th�t� had talcen
out bid documents but 11ac1 iiot bi.d ."
Pa�e 11, insert t'rie foi.lo�ain; pa�-ag�,aph in T�ern D: "Dr. }3auc�reau
stated �_hey we�-� goi�ig co escperi.ment �aith a bus or some ty{�e of
transporta�i_c�n i'z�m Ruth Circie area and the Craig are:? t_o R���zr-
waod Scheol as a play;round locati�i� . 7'h? s a s s+-rict�y an experi-
�ental progr��m at�d wi_Il oi.erat� uniil zi: �_s no longer zeasibie."
UPON A t'OICE �?OTE, AI�L VC;.CTJ.v�r AYi',, CHAIRl'LRG�N I-iUG?i�5 DE�,LA.R�D T'r'�E �iTP•1L"TI;S
APPI:OVED AS Ar�is:;U�,D .
A�'YIZGVAL OF AP�:IL 3, 1.980, : FEC:i,'�L ??a?2I`S & REC?�:r:.A1'IOi7 :�It�ET�?vG MIPJt?T�S:
MOTION by Ms . Seeg^r. , �ect�nded b4� rtr .�o:�d.ri.ck, tc� �ppi��ve L?�e S�ecial
Apr. i.l 3, 1980, Par?cs ��;ecr�at:�v�� Carn;�� ss:'tor.i minutes ,
°"� his . lIughes s�a�eu tiiat ori pa�;u 6, :�c�co�:�ci }�.iv-a�,rap?i, secor�d lir.e, tile caorcl,
. r"c1Wc3yt�S�'lOUl.d bt°. 1.11:�z'_Tt:�:Ci tl f i:cl� ���;.iV7.l�f:� i:ttE' �c?Yi:'�� .
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Ms.Iiughes stated that in the motion on page 6 to recomanend that the City
Council pursue negotiations with Anoka County to create a Joint Powers
9greement for maintenance and operation of Locke Park, the Tree Disease
Control Prog'ram was iisi:ed as a rc:sponsibility of the County. She did not
thin}c they should give the County the ful;. responsibility of the Tree Disease
Centrol Yrogram and maybe this shotild be kent as the responsibility af the
City.
Dr. �oudreau stated this could be discussed under Item A- Passible Toint
Powers Agreement with Anoka Caunty - wh�ch tiaas under "Old P,usiness" on the
agenda.
Ms.Hughes stated the Commission should clari_fy what they mean by the Tree
Disease Control Program being conducted by the County.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTII�G AYE, CHAT.RPERSON HUGHES D�CLARED TfiE MINUTES
APPROVED AS AMENDED.
APPROVAL OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by rlr. Kondrick, to approve the agenda with
the followix�g changes;
Problems �t Loc'�e Pdrk - Tim �urnbull - Item I '
Ethnic Festi�Tal - I�em E under Dir°ctor's Report �
Current Softball Problems - Item F under Director's Rep�rt
Review of Fee Schedule for Sammer Pr.ograms - Item A under Other Business
Discussion on Budget Development for 1581 - Item B under Other Business
UI'ON A VOICE VOTE, l�LL VOTING AYE, CI�AIRPERSON HUGHES DECLARED �HE AGENDA
APPROVED AS AMEIv'DED .
I. PROBL�MS AT LOCk'E PARK - TIM TURNBULL:
Dr. }3otrdreau stated that Ms. HughES had req�xested some information on the
problems at Locke Park and whether the vundalisui and problems at Locke Park
are as bad as they appear to be. Commissianer Young had also broughr to his
at�entzoz�. the fact �hat at the Jaycees Easter Egg Hunt, there was a lot of broken
glass in the parking lot, even thcugh the Parks Departm�nt had scae�t
the parking l.ot clean on Friday af�ernoo�.
Dr. Bouc�xeau stated that Mr. Turnbull warks with the Cou►munity Crime Prevention
Un.it, and he also woxks in a lot oi the ne:ighborho�d� on-crime prevention
trying ta solidify the nei�h�orhoods into a crim� prev��ntion-stopping force.
Pir. Turribull lias gone to a lot of j1TV�lC gatliering �ia'_a ever the last two years,
not only on how people �erceive Lacke Park as a safr and enjoyable pl�ce to
recreate, Uui: also some of thc. TCI.'.'s (Tnit.ial Complaint Reports) for the
Locke �ark area they have been fac�ci with over the l.ast twa years.
l�is. Hu�hes s�atecl th�re were sev�ral conlu,�nts made at the April 3 Special ^
I'arks & i2ecre,ltion Comm:.ssioi� mrc�tia� abcut Locke Parl: heint a disaster in
�eru7s of vaitdalism anu c.?-ime, rin� stie ��antc,d soric� c:oc.wiiented proof for tt�os� -
kinds of sta+�er��ents .
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Mr. Turnbull passed out a list of"ICR's for the Locke Park Area". He stated
these were official calls to the Police Department where police cars responded
ta the situation. This would not take into acccunt a case of minor vandalism
when the police were not called.
Mr. Turnbull stated that in the summer of 1978 between the months of April
and August, the Public Safety Department conducted a Neighborhood Crime
Perception Survey. They trained interviewers to go into the homes and ask
specific questions. It was probably the most thorough survey in the City of
Fridley relative to the Police Department and to crime perceptions. They
were trying to gather information that would help them in the development of
programs in the Police Department and they were looking for outside help from
the citizens themselves. They surveyed approximately 1,350 people, and it was
fairly evenly distributed throughout the City. Many of the people surveyed
were not in the area relatively close to Locke Park, and some may have lived
right next to Locke Park.
. Mr. Turnbull showed the Commissio��ers a map that was developed by the Minnesota
Crime Prevention Center for the Fridley Police Department. It divided the
city into small grids and determined the level of fear that people have about
a specific area in the City of Fridley. In the survey, they had asked people
what areas they would avoid because of fear of crime. The map shows that the
area of Locke Park is the heaviest area indicated by this particular map. He
wanted ta point out tha� one of the conclusions they iound in the:ir stuciy was
r` that the level of fear of crime in the City �f Fridley was higher than was
reas�nably assumed it would be. For so:ne reason, the people in the suburb c�f
Fridley and the people in a suburb of Chicago had r_he same level of fears of
crime, fears of personal crime, and areas they avoided. However, the area in
Chicabo had a much higher rate of crime than the City of Fridley. One of the
things they try to do in their Crime Prevention Program is bring the perspec-
tive of crime in the community into a proper focus. So, he did not want to
mislead people by t}iis map.
Mr. Turnbull stated they also aslced people if there was an area Lhey avoided
because of fear of personal crime. These areas included the area aroun� the
Meadow Run Apartments and the Locke Park area. He stated at the time the
survey was being conducted, there taas an extremely high rate of burglary in
the area of the Meadow Run Apartments. Tizey have been working in that area
and have seen a significant drop in the type of burglaries occurring there,
But, the basic reasons why people are afraid to go in certain areas or why
they have these fears about certain types of ,crime was beyond the scope of
their survey.
Mr. Kondrick asked if the Police Department has responde.3 or taken any action
based on the inf or.matiou given'?
Mr. Turnbull stated the Public Safety Director, the department heads, and
the City rianager were all informed of the resul�s of the survey in general.
A planning task foxce rnade�up of representatives of the Police Department,
r� the Ci.ty M�inager's office, an� the Plar�ning �e�artment, was brought together
in the 3.nir.ial stages of the Cxime Prevention Program For the purpose of
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identifyi.ng specific types of problems arid targeting specific areas to deal
with. By targeting specific areas, h� meant whet-her they should target
residential, couanercial, or industrial areas for the anti-crime program.
1'he three crimes thou�ht to be of the most concern by the Police Department
based on ICR's were burglary, vandalism, and larceny. ThP three crimes felt
�o be the most prevalent in the community by the people surveyed were larceny,
vandalism, and burglary, in that order.
Mr. Turnbull s*ated the fear level for personal tyFes of crimes and the areas
to be avoided mos� has not been dealt wit11 thr.c�ugh his department, but has
been referred elsewhere in the department. It is not a thing that can be
dealt with by the strategies developed to date through the Crime Prevention
Pi-ogram, which deals mainly with pr.operty types of crime.
Nis. Hughes asked Mr. Turnbull to explain the ICR's.
Mr. Turnbull stated that taking the last two years, it showed the different
types of ordinance violations that have occurred within Locke Park itself.
For the last two j�ears, there caer2 143 calls for service to that area.
Their information and records indicate that in vandalism cases, only one out
of ten times is vandalism reported. So addi.tional occurrences may be happening
and not being reported to the Police Department.
Mr. Turnbull stated that �ahat the gatrolmen feel is the situation at Locke
Park, which has a definite beari�g on the use of the park by people in the �
community, is that there are a 1ot of juveniies �aho use the park for the
purp�se of a gathering piace. They may or may not be in violation of any of
these particular cri�es. But, where you have a lot of youngsters to�ether,
you have a tendency to find liquor and narcotics vi.clations. When the golice
come along, they can be easily seen, and the young people have an opportunity
to get the s?tuat_io.i in good oruer by the iime the police get there; conse-
quently, ihex'e may be no arrests. The difficulty is that the patrolmen have
a hard time disbursing these types of F.eo�l.e and,this type of activity. T��hen
a family comes into the park, ttzey find a large group of juveniles and see
the type oi activity going on ar_d develop a picture in their minds that. this
is an area whEre there is a hi.ghFr paten�ial f�r some type of trouble so they
tencl Lo avoid the use of the area.
Mx, Young stated he had heard the commAnt made tha_t the pol.ice do n.ot make
a routine habit of gaing fio Lacke Park be�ause of the problems they encounter.
Mx. Turnbul.l state3 that to answer tliat: ecr.-�ment, soMe of the officers feel
ti�ey would prefer L-o knotil th�t the young people are up in Locke Park and
are in ane place at: one time rai.her th�.an have them all over the community.
Mr. Younf; stat�d he has been ia L�cke T'ar�c at 6:00 p.m, for a Cub Scout
�icnic and {rnai�d i� di_ffi.cul i to find �arlci.xig spaces because the juveniles
were <^.11 aver the park playin� irz..hee, u,ii.ig alcohol and offeizsive lar�guage.
He �aondered �a'n}= the Po? ice L�e�:artn�ent dici i�ot come ?.n with unmarl:ed squad
car;�s .
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Mr. Turnbull stated thai if the Commi.ssion was Pamiliar with the patrol
systein, the Devartment is mandated to have a minimum of four officers to
cover the entire city at one time, There are 22 patrol officers who operate
7 days a week, thre� shifts each day, and cansequently, they are able to
provi�le that level of minimum cover.age. To confront a minimum of 25 persons
in Locice Park, an office.r is not going ro go alone in one unmarked squad car.
Tt-�at officer is going to need the cooperation d most of the other people on
patrol at that time; consequently, he is giving an area a tremendous priority
in an attempt to provide security and leaving other area.s without that type
of coverage. On occasion, it has been done, but to do it on a regular basis
is not a reality.
Nis. Hughes stated she wan�ed to determine how big the problem is at Locke
Park an� whether it is samething they should be dealing with one �oay or
another.
Mr. Turnbull stated he fclt there is a reason to be concerned about the types
of activities in Locke Park. He did not knc�w if the Police Department
considered it to be the No, l priority problem in C.he cou�munity.
Ms. Seeger asked that if the I.ocke Parlc area was closed, where would these
yaung people go? Do the�, in fact, leave the Cityo ur do they go to othzr
areas in th� City?
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Mr. Turnbull stated that it was his ex�erience in crime prevention that
-' therE is a"ripple affect". When they �aork wf.th people in a specific area
with the Crime prevention Program ta help reduce a type of crime, there is
going to be same type of an sffect whereby the people who ���ere operating in
a criminal manner in thi� area n�ay go to another area.
Mr. Tu.rnbull stated th�y aYe planning an additional survey sometime in the
future which will update this map.
Ms. Hu�hes asked if tl�e Police Depaztment had any plans for dealing with
tize Locke Park problem?
rlr. Turnbull stated there may be some plans, bu� }ie �oas not a�-�are of a.ny.
T�1s. Hughes refeixed to the ICR's for. +�he Locke Parlc A.rea. She stated the
things she would consid�r serious were "liquor", perhaps "cicaring out the
area", "vandalism", "suspicious person", "'bux•glary", perhaps "disorderly
conduct", "mi�zor possessi_on", "assaulr", and "vei�icular theft" and "kid-
napping" which represented aUout half the TCR's for 1979.
rSr. Turnbull stated he wanted to point out that tuhether th e situation is a
liquor violation or medicc�l or l:idnapping or alarm, iL- is a ca11 for service
�ahich means a policeman is beizig involved in an activity. As far as man
hours and patrol persons on the road, it doesn't niatter what the violation
is, it is something taking up the tirne of a policeman and taking that police-
'� man away from s ome otliex ai•e a.
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P2s. Hughes stated she felt this probably has some impact on what the City
might want to ask the County in the �oay of patrol, and this ought to be
a factor in how the Commission loolcs at that question. There are other
things she felt the Commission shauld talk about such as the park curfews,
can the curfews be enforced, an.d should i.hey be enforced? A1so, she would
Iike to know the officerainitiated responses versus the responcl-to-calls,
particularly in the "Liquor, narcotics oxdinance viol.ations" and "Mis.,
public/public assistance".
Mr. Turnbull stated he could provide that information to the Commission.
Ms. Hughes thanked Mr. Turnbull for co�i.ng anc! providing this information.
II. FLECTION OF OFFICERS (Serve 5/1./30-5/1/81):
Ms. Hughes declared the nomiriations open for chairperson.
MOTION b� Mr. Young, seconded b� rls. Seeger, to nominate Barbara Iiughes
for chairperson.
M(YrION by Mr. Kondrick, seconded by Mr. Young, to close the nominations and
cast a unanimous ballot for Ms. Hughes for Chairperson of the Parks & 12.ecreation
Commission. Upon a voice vote, ai1 voting aye, Chairperso� Hughes declared
the nlotion carried unani�ously. ^
Ms. Hughes declared tne nominata.ons oper_ for vice-chairperson.
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Allen, to nomiriate Dave Kondric'ri
for vice-chairperson.
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Ms. Seeger, to close the nominations and
cast a unar:imous ballot ior IIr. Kondrick for Vice-Ch.airperson of the Parks &
Recreation Commission. Upon a voice vote, a.11 voting aye, Chairperson Hughes
declared the motion carrzed unanimously. '
III . L'IREC'�OR' S REPORT :
A, �ort on City/School Meeting
Dr. T�ou�reau stated t�:e City/Schoa� meeting was held April 15 at
4: 00 p.m. at Pulaski.'s . Aboui: 14 peo�Ie �aere present, representing
about SO/50 from scl�ool adminstiation and City School Board and city
administra�ion. Nir. Kondrick �f tlie Parks £� Recreation Commission,
three City Council memb�rs, and Ruth �un.n from the Fri.dley Sun were
also preset�t .
l�r. Boudreau siated thexe taere three items on the agenda: (1) a request
for a summer facili.ty .use, wlzicii had a?.ready been appraved that after-
noon; (2) i.nte?-g�ver.nnient:�l cooperai:io��, c�inict� lead to a lengthy �
discussioit <:�nd Lied ii� with item (3) c�nmunicati�ans between the Sc.hool
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Distxict and the City people. In summary, the L-wo topics really
came down to-should or is there an established policy that says the
City will pay "y" amount of dollais for use o� scho.ol facilities to
operate programs? Si�ice it- was just an op2n staff/council/board
meeting, not a decision-uiaka_ng meeting, nethixig was resolved except
for the fact that Tom Myhra is supposed to send the City Caunci7 a
copy of the school poli.cy on. use of school facilities to better
educate the City Council members on �ahat policies they have in
existence. The door was left .open tha.t if the City objects to one
or some of these policies, there is a proper channel for appeaz;ing
before the Board of Education to state that opposition.
Dr. Boudreau stated there is going to be another City/School meeting
in early June. He and Mr. Myhra wi11 be setting up a time for further
discussion of the sa�ne problems. He stated that notices of this meeting
will be sent to the Commission members,
B. Visitation to oLher Recreation Facilities
Dr. Boudreau distributed some information on the Brooklyr� Center
recreat�_onal facility. He stated that St. Louis Park did not distri-
� bute any informai:ion. He stated these tour� were ver�� interesting, and
he would be scheduling a trip to thP Rochester recreational facility
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sometime in May.
� The Gommission members tentatively set Saturday, May 10, for the trip
to Rochester. Dr. Boudreau stated he would see what arrangements could
be made and would ger back to �he Ccmmission.
C. Groundhreaking at North Park
Dr. Boudreau stated that the groundbreaking at Nor.th Park was hel.d
Iast Saturday. Tnere wez-e about 120 people present. The c�nstruction
people will start tY�e actual digging on Th�..rsday. At the groundbreaking
ceremony, Siah St. Clair, Diane Va1en, and �1nt� Bu.rnes of the Natur_alist
Division c�id a super job, along with the hel� of ris. Hughes on refresh-
ments and other volanteer. help. Thc�se peopie deserve extra special
credit for maki�lg the greundbreaking cer�mo�zy run as smoot111y as it did.
He stated they hoped the building �ai.11 be com��leted Uy tlle end oi
August or first of SeFtemt�er.
D. Recreatioi.fNatural Resource Yearl}� Report
Dr. Boudreau statcd the Commission had recei_ved this report at the
last meeting. At that meeting, Ms. Hubhes.11ad asked the Commission
members to 1001: over thes�� reports ar�d if tt�ere were any questions,
they could aslc tliem at ttze nexL meeting. P.r. Boudreau scated he would
be glad to anscaer any questions the Con�:nission m�mbers �:ignt have.
^ The Conm�issioners did noL' lYave any ques�ioiis .
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E. Ethnic Festival
Dr. Boudreau stated �hat i:hc Ethnic Festival was held March 29 and
again was a very huge success. The ?'azks, Rec�eation, and Natural
Resources Department is cooperating wit� the Fridley Fine Arts and
Ccmmunity Education in the a�-ea of c.ammunity arts for the City �f
Fridley.
F. Current Softball Pxoblems
Dr. Boudreau stated that the fees have been set and and it was suggested
that the number of teams %�e iimited L-o aur leagues. This information
was disseminated at the Managers' meetings. Unfortunately, in the
managers' manual, they did noL- clearly state that there would be a
limit on the number of teams and that the returning teams had first
priority. So, on the Friday of the rleadline, about 12 teams of angry
people came into the office stating this had never been put into the
wx�iting and they hadn't go�ten the information at the managers' meetings.
Dr. Boudreau sta�ed that, consequently, whaL- they have done for thi�
year is accammodate 2B teams �er night on the existing fields. With
the 12 teams, �ecause they wanted different nights and different leagues,
they can accommodute them wi.thout an aciditional ieague; it is a matter
of scheduling in a"bye" for at le�sfi t�;o teams every weelc. So, this
problem has been solve3 ior this year. Right nocv, there are .108 tearns
in adult softt�all for this sun�er.
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Dr. Boudreau sr.arEd that early next year, tnis same thing is going to
be brought before tt� Commission, it is going to be put in wri.ting,
and every manager will be made a�aare o£ the rules.
ZV . CHt�It�PERSON' S REPORT :
A. Problems at Locke Park
Ms. Hughes stated this was discussed earlier with Tim Turnbull.
Based on rlr. TurnbulJ_'s information, she would like the Commission
members to thinl�: al�out what they woiild J.ike to do to improve the
security �ituation in. Locke Park. .T.11is can be discussed again at the
next meeting.
AZs. Hughes stated she had notliing more to reporL-.
V. n''EW T3USINESS:
A. Youth Soccer - Larry Iiendel
Mr. Bendel thanlced the Gonmii.ssion fa�: letting him come before the
Commissia�?„ He siated they �ffer scccer frc�m instructional through
under 19 ,years o�s.ci, atid iY. is a str:�c.t�� participation-orienLea sport.
Their. r;asic rule is thaL- ��.�er�:�ne o,x ti,.� teln�� p2ays at least ilali the �
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Mr. Bendel stated he wanted to thank the Parks & Recreation Department
and the City for the improvements to the soccer program--the fencir.g
and the new sprinkling system at Locke Park. He stated Dr. �oudreau
and Mr. Kirk Uid a great job for the soccer program last year.
$ecause of football, the Commons field was unplayable so tlie�e was
12 teams and only the one field at Locke Park. They were able to make
a pretty good field at Nadsen with one at Burlington Northern for back-
up. Iie stated Dr. Boudreau came up with the idea of playing on the
soccer field north of the Jr. High at Conunons, ar,d that gave them the
third field for thi.s year.
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Mr. Bendel handed aut a schedule which showed a recap of the number of
teams they will have this year. They have 322 children signed up--15
teams not counting instructional. Last year 271 children were signed up.
He stated that he would like ta reach an agreement on referees and fees
with the City. On the schedule, it was proposed that the City pick up
the referees fees again as in the past. In doing this, he a�sumed that
a house league fee for a game would be $7. Using that base, any time
they had to pay more than $7, the FYSA-Soccer would pay the difference.
The full fee is paid for by the City through a contract system, and the
FYSA-Soccer pays what it owe.s at the end of the year. With the nc�� field
north of the Jr. I�ig}1, they are also requesting that the City spZit the
cost of necv soccer goals, $250. So, the groposed 19�0 �ity funding ior
the soccer p:ogram is $754.
Dr. Boudreau stated that Iast year the Parks & Recreation Commissi�n
voted unanimously to pay u� to $700 to the FYSA-Sac�er program. This
would be an increase of $54 at the most.
MOTION by Tir. Young, seconded. by Mx. Kondrick, to approve up to $S4;
in addition to the $70C already a�proae� by the Parks & Recreation
Couimission, to be used for the 1980 FYSA-Soccer Yrogram. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Chairperson }iu�hes declared the motion car.r.ied
unanimouslq.
Mr. Bendel stated tiie .",-occer program has a girls team this year listed
in the "undcr 14" age bracket. In the other ag�es, 10-12, the boys and
girls play to;ether.
Ms . Hughes ask� d Mr . Bendcl hova cael? tl�ey mcnitored and ho�a good the
coaches were in carr}�ing out the insL-ructional philosophy and making
sure the children play an appropriate amount and if the emphasis is
on playing rather than winning.
Mr. Bendel srated ttaey do a very good job. Participati�n is their
philosoplly and th�}- have had no complaints in that regard.
Ms . Hughes thanlcec: riz . Bendel for comin� to tl.e meeting.
Ar. Boudreau stated that Mr. Kirk has set: up a volunteer coaching
^ clinic on A�,ri1 �2 th:�t they thiuk wi�l be well attended and will give
� tl�em an opportuni�y t� sli�ire phil.osophies F.it:h the volunteer coaci�es.
He invited the Con.ur�i.ssion memUers to stog by and visit tl�e clinic.
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$, ruture Direc�ion of the Parks & Recreati�n Department (Population
Projections)
Ms. Hughes staced she felt the direction of. the Parks & Recreation
Department deper�ds a great deal an what facilities they have and the
�+opulation in the courmunit} . That is tl�.e reason the Commissioners
had received.an outline of fihe school. census, "Enrollment H�istory and
Projections through 1987-$S". This �aould give..them an idea of what
the school has in the way of census projections through 1985, based
on Feople already born through 197E. There was a big drop in kinder-
garten through 6 age group �vith smalier drops in the Jr. & Sr. high
school.
Ms. Hughes asked if Dr. Boudreau was able to do some type of census
anal�sis regarding recreation.
Dr. Boudreau stated they work very closely with the Planning Depart-
ment �n gathering tt��is type af: data., through the Police Depart�ent,
and they get a lot of feedback from the r�eighborhood people themselves.
As far as looking and trying to predict from predictions or statistics,
he di� not pay much attention to them, because all that tells him is
that the change is going to be from a younger age participant to an
old.er age part:ici.pant who miglit be participating more. He feels it.
is a�nisconceFtion to tie recr�atio� to children. Recrearion is for
et�eryer_e. Granted, the enrallment i� goi}ig to drop and it may affect �„�
the playground progr-ams ar�d the after-school programs, but it may call
for additional services in a different: age bracket and different types
or pro�ramming9 �Vhich might uti.lize the sjme facilities being reJ.eased
because they don't have the afte�-school programs, '
Ms. Hughes asked wh_re Ur. Boudreau got: that information and how do
they use the prajections, beca.use slie was hoping the City would make
those projectians and not just plan for this year on the basis of last
year.
Dr. BGtlt'lY'P_3U �taL-eci they got that iniormation from the Planning
Uepartmer�t who did the Nei�hborhood Plarining Studies about three years
ago, fr.°om t�he school population statistics, from the Police Department
statistics, frosri evaluation of on-going programs, ancl from citizens
�at�o �-.r� particin�,ting. 'L'liey can also reach �ome conclusions from
the frial progr �ns they offer.
r:s. Hughes asked Dr. Boudreau if he �i�d any feelings on what is going
t-o happen in t}ie su.raner playground programs or in the rYSA?
Dr. Boudreau stat�d lie t;hought the nunibers of children will continue
to decline in tizat age group, %ecause the a�e population a.s declining.
lie *hougl�t the em�hasis cf �hose j�TU�*xd111S �aill switch. Other factor.s
are the gas crunch at�d tlle erier�;y shorLage . ILe thought many things
taiiX *otach on what is gcing to Ue the r.ecrea�ion �atte:.n of the�e '
?ge grci.tps in tue next 5-10 years, but ne did no� think they could �
ured�.cr tl�at yet .
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Ms. Hughes stated the population factor should hav� same impact on the
community park in terms of what should be in that park.
Mr. Allen stated he felt that in the future, we are going to see parks
become �ahaL they originally were in small towns, more and more of a
gathering place, because people are going to find it harder to get out
of town. And, he thought you would have a lot more people giving input
who never cared before. What those people are going to want is hard to
foresee right nooa.
r4r. Kondrick stated he thought what Ms. Hughes was saying was that as
Coinmission members, they shoul.d be constantly aware that ages are changing
in the community and perhaps there is a shift from the younger to the
older ages, They have to be careful with some of the programs they
endorse, and they should encourage Dr. Boudreau to pursue those programs
those people wi11 want to have.
Ms. Hughes stated that ane of the reasons for having these statistics
is to show them what is happening and not make assumptions.
Dr. Boudreau stated that znother pasitive is that the size of Fridley
at 33,000 peopin is sma11 enough that it is a great �dvantage for
himself, staff, ar.d the Commission to get pretty we11 attuned to the
conununi�y's needs. He has found that the peop"le of Fridley are very
vocal when it comes to their recreation needs.
Ms. Hughes stated ti�at the Commission members should keep track. of the
population statistics and i£ th�y or Dr. Boudreau run across any other
demog�aphics for ttie City that woul�i help in planning for the community,
�hey should bring them in. '
C. 'ihank You Pe�itibn
Dr. Boudreau stated this petiti_on had gone to City Council. It was
for the Commission's inforr.iation an� should be received into th� record.
MOTION by Ms. S4eger, seconded by Mr, Ycung, to receive the "Thank You
Petition" which th.anked Chucic Bouc�leau "For hi.s cooperation and vnder-
standing in the allocation oi' FLannery Parlc--and look forward to upgraclin�
of Madse:� for neighberhood usage, ". iJpcn a vci�ce vote, all voting aye,
Chairper.soi�IIu�hes declared the motion carried unanimously.
D. Softball Tour�zament Request
Dr. Boudreau stat�^d there has �een a request by iridley Covenant
Church for a soft't�all tourname_nt at Coinmons on Sat ., July 12 . He
stated tl�is is one of the tournaments t.hat lias been gr��nted in the
past. Fridley Cvvenant coop�.�rates ve�-_y well taith the City, and he
would recommend that this requesl: be gr<iY.ted ,
PARKS & R�CR.�t�'iION CONL^1IS.�'iION ME�7'ING, APK?L 16. ".980 - PAG� 12
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, second�d by Mr. Allen, to approve the request
by Fridley Covenant Church for a softball tournament on Sat., July 12.
Upon a voice vote, all votixi� aye, Chai_r�er�on Hughes declared the
motion carried unar,.imously.
E. Proposed Bikeway Addition
Dr. Boudreau stated this was for the Commission�s information also.
The Commissioners had received a map �rtiic.h outlines a proposed bikeway
connection from riississippi S�. to 69L1� Ave. t� tie in with the east/
west bikeway trail and the existing bi.ke trail within the City. MnDOT
has made bikeway grants dvailabl� to he?.p improve bikeway systems
witnin citiPS. The City has sent in a prelimi_nation application to
Mn.DOT for grant manies to complete that one-mile strip.
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconaecl by Nr. Kondrick, to receive into the
re.cord the maps and informatio;.i regardi.n,n, the praposed bi�:eway. Unon
a��oice vote, all voting aye, Chairp�rson Hughes declared the motion
carri_ed unanimously.
IV . OLD BUSIr�SS :
A� Possible Joint Po��ers Agreement, with_�:r�Gka County
Dr, Boudreau stated that since the A�ril 3 Special Paxks & Recreation
Commission meetin.g, a prop�sed drait of the J oint Powers Agreement has
been drawn up coverir�g thc�se items c?iscussed at the last� meeting with
Anoka County. Ms.Hughes had indicated earlier in the meeting that the
Commission should discuss wttether or i�cr the Tree Disease Control
Program should be a responsibility of i;he County.
Dr. Boudr�au stated that Mr. Qureshi had e�plaineu at tile April 3
meeting that the City �reseni.ly has a$50,000 liability by'maintair�ing
these parks, buL as it �.s written zn tl�e Agreement, the Ci.ty has r�o
inteztion of gi.ving the Coun�y anythi�zg but maintenance c1I1CI operat:.�n
of those areas. They are loalcino at how they can realize a savi_nbs
by allocaing the County to ma.ii�tain the areas marlced "City of Fridley
Locke Park" or whatever. Tinat money can then be st�own as a savings and
can either be used in the neighoorhood parlcs or there is some justifi-
cation to sa}� they hav: fut�.ds to use in m.aintait�.ing Pdorth Park. That
was his int.erpretation of ���hat Mr. �ur.eshi_ meant--a way Nir. Qur_eshi
can justify to ti�e City Caur_cii that- th� City has some funds that can
be spent in other areas. L'r. Boudr.eat: stated that right now there are
no funds earmarked ior mairatenance of %Torth Park.
Ms . Iiughes st<zted tl:iat she ob,jectecl
r�um�er of usexs oL �his faci.Iity co�n
residents of lize Cotl;�r_;�," `�'.h..�t has .
whc� maintains it, o�° ;aho pa;�;� for. it
at: u�ers' fees for tl�c� �ar.�ks .
to ttle "[,�fI� itEAS, the greatest
e from outside th� City and are
r,.o bearin�; on who owns the palk,
, unless tl��.y are going to took
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The Commission made the following changes to III. A, County
Responsibilities (page 2-3):
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
add 10.
To provide maintenance routinely on a schedule of
grounds, buildings and picnic shelters.
To �rovide maintenance routinely on a schedule of .
trails and par.king lots.
Same
To provide effective tree disease control program in
concurrence with City of Fridley tree inspectoY�.
Same
Same
S ame
S ame
Same
The County and City to have an annual meeting in order
to review, preview, and approve a11 plans, work Programs,
and developments.
The Co�mission made the following addition to III. B. City
Responsibilities (page 4):
add 4. The City and Count;� to have an annual meeting in order
to review, previe�o, and approve all plans, work programs,
and developments.
Ms. Hughes referred to VTI. Police and Fire Protection, paragraph 1,
page 5. She stated she thought the idea of the Joint Powers Agreement
was to have the County Parlc Patrol do all the patrolling and thus
relieve the Fiidley police. .
Dr. Boudreau stated this is a City of Fridley park, the City owns
the land, and the nbrmal police pro�ection for that area coupled with
the County.Park Patr.al w�uld provide the degree of safety and security
needed for the users of that paik. The County Pa,:k Patrol has no
police poc�rers, so th` City police pocaers must sY.zll be in force.
Ms. Seeger stated that when Fridley residents have a complaint about
what is going on i.n the park, at what level would Lhe res�dents make
that compl�inL- knoc,m?
Dr. Boudreau stated that the residents would came to the City. That is
what a joint po�aers agreement means. It is a joint venture betw�en the
City and the County. The citizen's complaint would get answered through
city aclministration.
Ms, fIughes stated she would Zike to malce sure that someone in th� City
reads the purchase �greeu�ent with Locice P��rk to make sure that tiie
City of rridley can e.ven enter into tliis kind of operational agreeme�zt.
Tis . Seegcr s�ated she al.so thought tl.at i£ thc City is going to provide
police and fire protection, the County shculd be requested to p�y for
part of that cost.
P�RKS & P.ECREAxION CGrf�'[ISSION ?�L�:E'LINU� AP}?IL lb, i980 - PAGE 14
MO'1'�ON by i�Ir. Konclrick, secouded by Mr. 'Ycung, that the following changes
to rhe Joint Powers Agreement be consi.dered by Cit:y Council and City
Administration:
III. A. County ResponsiUilities:
1. To provide maintenance �outinely on a schedule of
¢ro�_inds, buildin� and picnic shelters.
2. To provide ma=intenance �cutinely on a scheduJe of
trails and parking 1ots.
4. To provide effective t:°ee disease control program in
concurrence with C;i�� of Fridley tree inspector.
Add-10. The County and ^ity to have an annual meeting in order
to review, preview and ap�rove all plans, work programs,
and developments.
III. B. City Responsib?�ities;
Add- 4. The City a�.id Coun�_t e have an an?zual meeting in order
to review, preview, an�d approve a11 plans, work programs,
and development�.
UPON A V�ICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIP<PERSON HiJGHES DECLARED THE MOTION
CARRIED `UNANIMOUSLY.
B. Status of Communi.ty Park Plan
Dr. $o;�dreau stated that at this time they are out looking for vn].unteer �
help as President Carter has sug�ested a ireeze on all LAL,ICON funds.
The City was ir. tr.e final petition stage for $166,000 in LAWCON funds.
So, they do not icnow where that zs at now un�il Congress acts on it.
The City is trying to accomplish the task by contacting the Corp of
Engineers, the Seabees, anyone else wizo u�ight be able to get the initial
grading done and sor�e of the other projects that need to be done.
Dr. Boudreau stated that at the last meeting, Ms. Hughes had requested
the complete information on the communit� p�rk plari and the complete
LAWCOP: grar.t, and this �nformation had heen sent to the Commissioners.
Ms. Hughes asked the Commissioners to r��iew th�s information.
�Si�TIt�N Uy Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Ycung, io continue discussion
0?1 the Stat�s of the Commanity Park Plan at another meeting. Upon a
vo��c voie, all voting aye, Chairperson Hughes declared the motion
carried unanimotls ly .
V . OT`tIT?R �US�i�ESS ;
A. Review of Fee Sch�dul.e for Summer Programs
Dr. Bou�-3r.eau stated they werc: in thc midst of nutting together their
sur.unel �rog2�am brocllurc. H•� s,-��ted he ti�ou]_d read the list of programs
anci fees to th�� Cosuni.ssic;n f�r Lheir cc:ncurr.ence. 'i'he fees are bused
on the assumpiion tl���t they t-r.5� to keep Lhe fees as low as possible �
to t?le r.esident� of �ta� Cit� Lo enco,a�age partici>>ation ar�d to malce
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sure they do not disallow someone from participating because that person
cannot pay the f.ee. They also have a waiver of fees policy for those
who have f.inancial problems and that is listed on all the brochures.
Pro�ram
Picnic Kits
Swim-&-Stay Fit
T-Ball
Youth gymnastics
Jr. & Sr. Hi �ymnastics
Adult goZf
Youth golf
Adult rennis league
Adult tennis
Youth tennis
Playgrounds
Tiny T.ots
PITS
Movies under the Stars
New Programs
$asic weight training &
� conditioning
_ Girls voileyball clinic for
• Sr . girls
Girls volleyball clinic for
Jr, girls
Youth wrestling
Youth wrestling clinic for
Jr. youth
Fee�
from $10 to $I5/weekend �
from $5 to $10
from $6 to $9
$14 (same)
from $18 to $20
from $10 to $12
from $10 to $12
from $3/season to $4/season
from $12 to $14/6 sessions
from �10 to $12/6 sessions
from $8 to $12/7 weeks
from $3.50 to $5.00/7 weeks
Free
Free
$12/6 sessions
$15/8 classes
$10/5 classes
$10/5 classes
$5/5 classes
Dr. Boudreau stated that most of these activities have gone up a
minimum of $2 and most of the increases are due to the increased
cost of hiring instructors. They still feel they are holding the
prices ior �articipation at about $1.50-$2.00 per session.
Mr. Young astced i.f any consideration had been given to a reduced fee
based on the number of chi�dren in a family.
Dr. Boudreau stated that in the piayground program, the maximum any
family would pay is $24.
MOTION by P1s, Seeger, seconded by r4r. A�len, to approve the new fee
sci�eclule for the i980 summer pro�rams. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Chairperson �lughes declared the motion carried unanimousl_y.
B. Discussi��n on Budget Developn�e.tt for 1981
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Dr. �3oudreau stated he had rece?ved the budget material from the
CiLy c�ana�;�i:. The liud�ct schedu"le is that 1?arks & Recreation is
supposed ta go Lo City Council ir� June with a preliminary budget
PARKS & RLCR�ATTON CQM.MISSIUIv 2•1E;�;'ING, l�l'AIII� Ir�, 1.9f30 - PAG� 16
proposal. Fetween now and the 2iay 14 meeti.r�g, }ie would like the
Commis� icm members to be thi.�iking itx terms of socne oi the improvem�nts
they iaouLd like to see in L-he capitai fund and also in the fee
structures and pro;ramming �'c� next year. If the Commissioners tiad
any ideas, he would appreciate that informa�.ion as soon as possible.
Dr. Boudreau stated the Ccm.missioners ha�l receiv�d a copy of Section 6.11
of i:he City Ordinance, which outlines the purpose for the Cc�unission.
This had been requested by NIs. Hughes.
Ms. Hughes stated that if th�: Comulissian i� going L-o b� �alking about
capital improvements in the park system, chey ought- ta reyiew �ahat
they already have ar�d �ahat improvements are anticipated for the next
budget.
Dr. �3oudreau stated he would mai.l out a list- af a'�l capital funds for
1980.
Ms. Hugh.es stated that cne of the major imn�ovements srould be the
inside of the NorY_h Par?c Nature Cen�er Building, they sh�uld be looking
at ine�pensive tliings to mak.e the S°ars p:caperty usable det:endirg on
the LE�WCOI� fund situation, a�zd they ought to be "looking at improvements
within the neighborhoods.
C. Receive Le�ter from �onnie Metcalf
M03'TON by t�is . Seegers seconded by N:r. Kc,r.d�rick, to r.e�ei��e a letter
from Connie Metcal� in which Ms. rietcali talks about i�h�� Se��s property
and the need for more tennis courts. Upon a voic.e vote, al1_ voting
aye, Chairpersot� Hudhes decl.ared the motion carri_ed unanimously.
D. Recegr�ition of Pas� Co�unissieri Men;be�., I3eL-ty� TZech
rfOTION l�y Ms . Seege.� , seconcted by T�1� , k;oridrick, t�� recogniz� !.h° out-
stancling service given by Iietty l��i�:�h to the Parics � RF�c;�eaCicn Ccmmiss:ion
ar.Zd to tnank i�er f.or her_ man.y va`t�zabl.e coiit�°iLt}�i_ons . Lpon a vo� ce vate,
all voting ayc:, Ch�.irpersoiL Hu�:�es dr�clared thc: mot_i.on ca.zr:ied un��ni.mously.
�;, fiid T}ocun,ents_and Chantes r.ia�� �o Springt�YOOk r�a�urc_Center Bu�ldirzg
NiOTI�N by Ms . Se.r�g��r, seccnded 'o�� �iz . ti11en, to receive into the record
tlie bzd documeriLs � n.d ch��ng�s �ade to ttie 5pri.ng�iocl:. Nature CerL�er
Buil_d�n�,. Upon a�Taice vote, a11 voti.iig a�*e, Chairpex°son Hu�hes d�clared
the moti.on cax•riec� �:r�ani:no.�: ? y �
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ADJOURNt�NT •
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded by Mr. Kondr.ic�c, to adjourn the meetin�;.
Upon a voice vote, a.1.1 voting aye, Chairgerson Hubl�es declared the
April 16, 198U, Park� & Recreation Conunissior. meeting adjourned at 21;�+5 p.m,
Respect�ully submitted,
��-/�i.�`1:����r? /`t/`i-,.�C/�-��.
Lynn� Saba �^ �
Recording Secretary
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