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�TiJt�: 24, 1980
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Cha�.rgezson Hughes calZed the xu�,� 24, 198Q, p�xks ��.ecreatian Corrnnission
meeting to orc�er at 7;3; p.m.
1�OLL CALL:
AA�mbers Yresent-: �arhaza Htsghes, Jart Seeger �arriz�esi 7:41 p.r1.), L�ick Young,
Dave Konriric�:, Dan .A11en.
riembers !�Us ent : None
Ofi�iers i?t-esen�:: Charles �oud?-eau, Par.'�:s �; I�ecreatian Birector
Le� A�,ra v�ox:re, 519 �r�ntc�n St.
A�':�i�OVAL 0� MAY 14, Z��iO, ?AP�K.S & RECP.El1TICN C^;�T�i:tTSS�:Jid T�II�'.T�}"I.'ES:
MOaiON �y Nz . A11en, :;��cc�nded by Mr. 1'cur.g, tc �.r���ove the A�Ia.y 14' 19f30,
� I�ai:ics £�: �i:ci��-,a'tiaii Goumiiss::.on mzz2ntes .
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I�� . Hu�tzes s�at�d tha� c.rt pagc� 12_, thc 3rd parag��,.px� shc,;Zd r.ead: "Upon a
VCli�c! Vi)�:-� i'CiLtII� and .�1.��..�1't JG�JLTlg aye, $ISL;�tE?S �:7'� SE*�?��Y- t�C>tl.:�g naY,
Cia.�ir���� c��-► ;Iugt�es decl�.red th� m�tion fa?Ieu beca��s� +�f � rie,►�
E;:'�f'1�.�`If�? la�� �G�NDA;
`1�'i:e ft��.iowing i.teins k*ere addec� �o the �.��n�ia;
p�e��� Business:
� B. Ru�h Gir.cie Paxk
C. Region.al na�T�s _ Metropolitan. ►;ouizci7.
O�.d Busi_ness;
E^. Coan P�ap :ds F,la�v�Y' t'3� �,'' CE'.a '?� i�e� i:
F. 3oint Porae�:s AgMe-�me��t
G. Citi.zens Gornn�itC�e fer �ecreai:i.o:� �czntex
H. �ina3. Apilrot=a1 o:t �apitai. Out1.a�T
�Is . Hughes deciared �he ag�1:��a a�proved as az�t�izded .
PARKS & RECREATION CONIMZSS�ON �ET7�NG, JUNI: 24, 1980 - pAGE 2
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I . DIRECTOR' S REPOFtT •
A. Communications
I. Councilman Barnette
MOTION by Mr. Y.ondrick, sec.onded by Mr.. Young, to receive the
l.etter dated May 28, 19$0, frcm Council_man �arnette concerning
Nature Center use by p�ople outside the community and possible fee
schedule. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson �iughes
declared the motion carriec�. unanimously.
(Ms. Seeger arrived at 1;41 p.m.)
Mr. Boudreau sta�:ed that Mr. Barnett�e was "concerned whether tne
Parks Departmer�t is an�i.�ipating sei:ting up rates for use of the
Center, both by resi�ents and others". Mr. Boudreau stated that
would be an entirely n.eti� philosophy and approach to the park
programming and use of the facili�ies in the City of Fridley. To
his lrnowledge, they do no� charge for use of any facility, so this
would be an entirely r�eta appxoach at revenue.
Ms , iiughes stated it rpally gets doc,rxa. �o what their philosophy
should be for the use of L-he parks ia terms of what the City's
att3.t:ude s�ould be. She asked if tl�e Commissioners had any
su�gestions, other than th� receiving of the letter.
Ms. Seeger a�d Mr. Kendrick stated they were saCisfied with the
philosoghy of rhe par.k pragranmin� and the fact tha� there was no
fee charged for use of City of Fridley iaczlities at this time.
Ms. Hughes stated tha� until. such a time as it becomes a case of
denyin� access of �riceley� pEOple to sonie of their facilities, she
did not *_hz*_iK it was reasonable to propose keeping others out.
These were pu'ulic facilities, and �he public includes all kinds of
people. She clid not tl�ir.k the Cor�rni.ssion wanted to encourage other
cammuni.ties to kee� Fridl�y p�ogle c�ut of their facilities. It was
not what she thought a g;ood rec�eaLa.on philosoghy should be by
anyone. � �
Mr. Young stated he �hought i� was �omethin.g they should keep in
m;nd for the future, hacvever. If they want to equip the new nature
cen�er building th� cray it should be equipped in the future, charging
a family a fee of $5f}�ear with unli�ited use was not an excessive fee.
Mr. Young stated tilat the Natur.al �`��sources Division seemed to do --
a 1ot of prcgramming in o�her communities. He wondereci if the
1�atuzal Resources Div:ision G�as guing to continue to go out and do
programs in othez cc�.Tnnc�ni�ies, because when the Sprin�brook Nature
Center fa�i1��_*� �e�G goin�, th•�g are going to have all they can do ,.�
to man tha� facility. � . .
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Ms. Hughes st�ted sh� felt that was rhe kind of decision Staff
_--_ __.._ _. _ �_ _. ._ ._ ._ should niake as they ''r:s.law the demand oi: t;heir own j obs and facilities .
��. Poudreau staC:ed t-ha� i�tx. St. Clzir has already turned a�aay about�
13UU partici.pants fruin outside th? c.ornniunity, �ostly school groups,
because he does not have'ir.e time. �'hey are talking about programming
and use of a regi.o:za1 �aci.lity. With the regional facility, they
�tope to encot�za�e the self-a.nitiated participa�ion with program�ing
done by �h� Natural.ist at that fa;.i_1it3�; but rlr. St. Clair i� not
goin� to tie a11 0� his efforts to tha� facitity. Tttey have some
wonderful resources ii� tYie community �hat he hopes ta �ake better
use of. Ry the contract tk?ey have with Mefiropoli�an Council, they �
nuast operate tre Sprin�bxcotc faciliiy r,igh+� n��a as a regiona3 facility.
2 . Be�ty R � ScotL-
MOT.ION by Ms. See� er, seconded by Mr. Kondrick, to r.ecei_ve a l.et*er
dated l�ay 21, 1980, from Betty R. Scoti co�:cerning �he Fridl.ey Ci.ty
Band. Upon a vaice vate, a11 voti?�.g ay�e, Chairperson. Hughes declared
the motion ca.rried u��.anima�asly.
3. l�irs. Carlson -�ef. Bailfield at t2uth Circle
Mr.. �3oulieau sta'�ed this was in refryrence �� a telephone conversation
he 'h,ac? with �irs , rar'zson wt�v Ii.ves in t2ie s�uthwest corner of Kuti�
Circle Park, �ctjacen� �a the ball�ield 3rea they h.ope to estab��.sh.
At the Ruth C�:.rc1e x:eigk�bc�rho�d meeti.ng, r_hey were ve:ry co�.cern.e�
about this loca�.:ior� �� the �all �:layicig a�ea. .�t tha�. time, they
were shown aerial phc��:es �,�hic'n shot,Ted tiaat the ba11 diamond would
not fit intc� any other lo�ation in. the paa-k, and thatf�is location
was t�ie safest and ba�t l�c�tian. ��:e di.amoncl to the foul lines is
approximatety 75-8G` fecw away frnm �he Carlsons' property line, so
he doubted thr�t iaul Ua11s caoulcz go into their property very cit�n.
He di,d not thiiYk t'he �i.amond would in�erfere �aith their property .
�:He s�ated he lias talked to Mrs. Cailso�i a�out �his, and he thought
�tze concensus :�f the ?.i�ighbQrhood meeting was tha� this l�cation �aas
a go�d 1cca�ion for i:li<�.t diamond. i1rs. Car�.son would like the
diamond maved tc tl:e sr,utheast carn�� r af �r�e �ark. Mr. Boucireau
stated it woul�i �:�en en:Eringe oai sc,me�n� e.1se's pyoperty. �:e stateu
he di� not i.hink �11e f'�xl� ons had a�vaiid complaint . A11 of these
tnings were r�:k�n in.ta cottsidera.vion in t�i� �:lanning of the pa�k area,
and that are�^ is not; iriten.d�d to be a lii�Iz activity area..
Ms � S�eger statec� she t�a;� lcind of watehed this arPa, �nd she dic�
not see �ahere it wa� a Uig pr�niem. '
4. Letter from .; ir:i I�:l.i.�xg ���, Pxes ., 1'YS�,
MtiTIQN by. Nir. t�_�_l�z�, �ecoricied b�r ifr. �oux:�;, �.�a receive the l�tter.
dai4d June 12, 19�0, t�.e::. Jic� K?ingle re�:��di�� the dismissal o£ a
^ LitLie I.ea�ue cv�ciz ���c.:�usc� of povr s��,rLsmairsl�ip. Upon a��ice
�- vate, all votinK aye, Cha�zperson H<<i},fies d�cl.axed the motion carxied
�unanimously.
PARKS & RECRF,ATION COP'�IISSION M[:E��NG, JUniC .24, 1980 PAGE _4
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Mr. Boudreau stated this inciden� took place on June 2 at a Little
League field when a coach was involved in an altercation with
anothEr coach. The LitLlc� Leagu� �oard felt it was ag�inst the
principles they are tryir�g to teac'.i the youth of Fri.dley in regard
to good sportsmanship. The FYSA ha:: banned the coach from partici-
pating in any FYSA sports as a coactl. He sta�ed the FYSA was kind
enough to write a letter informin� the Parks & Recreation Department
of this action.
II. CHAIRPERSON'S REPORT:
, A. Springbrook Nature Center
Ms . Hughes stated she met cvi�k� John Fl.ora, City Public T�]orks Director,
Mr. Boudreau, and another pe�-son fxou-� the Public Works Department,
regarding a complaint from a citizen aLout a tree that had been protected
as construction was started �.l: Sprix:gbrook and then, when the Public Works
Department was ready to work oiZ the se��er liue, City Staff went in and
cut down the tree witnout tell.zng anyer.e in the Parks Department that they
� were doing iC. She stated thP meetin� was to find o�;t what the procedure
� was far staff communications. �She thought the resolution of the meetin�
was that there will be bettei communicafiions in the future. The tree
was maxlced on all the p�a.ns ior removal. Mr. Flora felt he had every
right to take it elown as i� was essentia;iy over the line-where the seraer
line was to ;o in.
Ms. Hughes stated the other concern oi the citizen was that in putting
. the sewer line in, they would be diggin� a ditch which could be 40 feet
wide because of soil conditions and because the ditch would not be shored
up. She stated that, agaa.n, i;hose things were on all the plans and
approved by everyone conce�ned, presumably by this Commissiou, Plannin�
Commission, City Council, and the architect, and everyone was supposed ;
to have kriown the consequences of those things.
Ms. Hughes stated she �aas assured they are environmental.ly conscious�, '
at least now, if not before. It is.l�zer understanding that there has
been a Iittle better comm.unications between the people who are supervising
Che project, whicli is City Fnginee�ing staff, an� Mr. Boudreau and
Mr. St. Glair. >
. Ms. hughes requested infonna�ion regarc�ing Nortliern States Power's
easement in relationship to the Sprir.gLrook prope.rty.
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III. NEW BUSINESS•
A. Discussion oi Age Deac:liae for Pro,rams __ .___ _
I•4r.. Young stated lie had received a call almost' a month ago from
Roger C. Harmon, 388 - 66th Ave, 2�.�., in regard to the fact that his
daughter was not b�ing ailc,caed to register for a T-ball program. �
t•ir. Aarmon's main complaint was tt2e arbitrary cuC; off date of June 9th,
t-hat if a child is not si� years olci by June 9th, that chil.d cannot
register in the pro�ram. I3ecause of. her not bein� allowed to register
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PARKS & REC%}:AT:ION CC�[i�ilSS:C�N N'�J3"1'ING, .7iR� 24, 1980 PAGE 5
in the pr�gram, she l:ad to go back inta the �'iny Tots program which is a
program £or 4-5 ye�.r olds, preschool Ci1lI.CIxGA. �he had already been in
that program fox �:*.ao years, She was not allowe� to enroll in the Play-
ground program, because shc h.ad to be six ye�ra �l.d. Mr. Harman was not
only questioning the arbitr.ary date, btlt also tt�e fact tnat many of the
other programs st:ate that you sl�ould be a c�rtain age or have completed
a certain grade level. . '
Mr. Young stated he was sympathetic to Mr, Harmon's situation, and fe1�
�he rules sk►ould be bent sometimes. His main concern was th�.t when these
programs are ser u�, same ccrasidera.tiorA h�zs to be made for these arbi�raly
dates .
Ms. Hughes stated they had a copy of a letter fxom Mr. Iiarmon dated
Jnne 9, which explains his poi.nt of view, :t�e has al.so outlined same
"Requirements for Participation" by age fox• a variety of thin�s.
Mr. Harm�n had gone through all of. the rec�eation. programs an.d checked'
the ages to see what consisten,cy there �as with the requi.reme.nts. He
felt the Parks & Recreatic�n De�artmenti had so�e problems in wha� �hey
called "adult" and with th.e cut-o�f points. He felt the Farks & Recreation
Coum�ission might �vant to take .a Iook at these.
I�is.. Hughes stated that Mr. Harmon did p=�t l7is child in the T?ny Tc�t pro,ram
�nd was not requesta.�g any change at thi� poi.nt. This �ives the Commissiar�.
� soirle tinie to laok a�: ttiis, and they slioi�':,;ct i:hiz�k. ab�u� whether �h�y wo�zld
like to �ake some reccs:;�rae�dai:ior.s to Staf� on age g::auping, etc., far the
" fall prograni schedule.
Mr. Beudreau s�at�d �hey would welcame a recou�me,�.dation from this
Commission on age grct�pino.
Ms. Seeger stated si�e had talked to Mr. Harmon ��ici when she askea �im
what his recommendaiian t�ould be, he had suggested tha�: the City follow
the school's guideli�.es �n age. She stated that maybe that �houl.d Ce
a recommenda,tion.fram4 the Commission. One of. Mr.. Harmon's main objectives
was that his 1ittle girl`s friends were able to go to the program and she
was not .
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Mr. Kondrick sta.;:e�. 1�.� agrc�ed th�.t f�llawixi� the' school `s age gui.delines
would be a vexy good i.dew: He stated he did r.ot iike rule bending.
Mr< Youn� staied he £e1t Y.he problezn cou:�d be solved b� sayir� a r.hild
ha� eii:her completed, for exa.mple, ki.ndergarter� or be six years of age�
Mr. Allen stated r_h�.;. his i��.itial reac�io� to �his situation, Uecause
of the fact tha� the child had already atte;.�dcd T.iny Tots for two years,
would Ue to seric�usl,y consider allowing her to partici�ate in the '�-�a"�]. -
program,
MOTION by Mr. Allen, seconded by Ms, S��;er, to rec:eive the 1e�ter dated
/� June 9, 1980, fr�m I�r. Har�on. xegar.�3i.ng � g�,� ru�.es . Upon a voi�e ���ie,
�. al.l voting aye, Chair�ersan Hughes declaxed tl�e moti.on carried unanfmously.
PARKS & RECREATION Car1�fISSI0�1 i��;T:7'iNG, �tTN'E 24L 1.980 PAGE 6 °
Ms. Hughes stated Cha.t"Discussion nf f�ge Ru�.es" should be on the agenda �
for the July meeCing. Thz COmanission c�.n discuss a rec anmendation to .
Staff regarding age deadlines for �rograms and also discuss when they
raould recommend that Staff a].low exceptions and under what circumstances�.
She asked Dr. Boudreau to include a copy of Mr. Harmon's leCter with the
agenda packeC.
B. Ruth Circle Park
Ms. Seeger stated L-hat the paint factazy �ahich is across fram Ruth
Circle Park is xequesting an e�pansi�n on the facility. She stated
that right now the paint fumes are ir��redibly bad, and this factory has
a histo�y o£ fires. She feit this could be a bad health problem for
this park, and it also becou�es a proUlem iar the Springbrook Nature Center
which is not too far away. She felt the Crnmnission had some responsibility
to the quality of their �ark.�, and she was bringing it to the Commission's
attention for discussion. � .
Ms. Hughes stated it would bc� difficult to get them on any health regula-
tion. Tt is possible there are some safe�y problems that could be
addressed, because of the history of fires and complaints from the
neighbors. She asked the Coa�mission members if they felt the Cnmmission,
from a parks and recreation standpoi.nt, shoulcl-be concerned about odors
and hydro-carbon e�issions infio a park axea.
Mr. Allen sta�ed the object of the ComTt��ission. a.nd Staff i_s to provicie the �
tsest recreation e�per�ence for the ciLizenry. If this is a case where
someone is nat makir�g the most of the park system as provided, they afi
leas� have �he responsibilzty to bring it to the attention of the City
Council.
MOTION BY MIt: KONDRICK., S�GONDED Bir t�"�: ALLEN, TJ ASK STAFF, COMMISSIONS,
A1�TD CITY COUNCIL 7.'0 BE AW�`sF.F OF THE PROB'LEM OF THE ODORS Oi THE PAINT
FACTORY NEAR Rti'�H CIRCLE PARK AND TO TA,KF ST�PS TO CORRECT TH�S PROBLEM;
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL V{JTSNG AYE, CH.A?'RPERSON HUGHES DECLAR�D THE MOTION
CARR.LED UNATTIMOUSLY.
PSs. Aughes asked Mr. Boudreau to check int� the status of the paint
£actary and �o then infaY�n the Couffn�.ssion.
C. Region.al Parks - M�tro.,politan Counca.l
Ms. Sporre stated �hat an article in the Metropolitan Monitor brought
thi.s item to her attention. ShP stated she would like the Commission
to receive this ar.ticle into the record and then they can talk aUout ii.
MQTION by Ms. See�er, seconded by P�r. Kondric'�c, to receive the FSetropol.itan�
Mo�i�or, Vol. II, A�o. 1, PTay Z980, page 4, arti�le on "Mc�ro.Parks".
U�ou u voice vote, all votin�; aye, Chairperson Hu�hes rieclared fhe motion
� carried unanimously. �
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PARKS & RECR�ATLON CO�II�SION �?�ETING, .�UNE 2��,_ 19{30 • PAG� 7
_._.... __ __.,. ._. Ms. Sporre stated thafi aft�� rsading this ar�i,c�le, she telt zt was very
� important to her tha� tllt.y look at the I.SY1C1 tI1L'�r are designating for a
regional park in �ridley. It was her unclerstandirig that there has been
some discnssion on T���cice.'�a.rk, and that is t2�� reason she is bringing
this to the �'arlcs c� Recreat;ion Com�ission. Srie believed that the impact
of a policy as it wosld be applied, i.f L�cke Park was drawn undPr the
Anoka County power to decide, would then put the power i.n tl�e hands of
the regional govLrnm�nt, ra�her than Anoka County. �
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Ms . Sporre stated that, t� backtraclt a Iitti,e, the Commission w as �ware
that ther.e has beer_ a proposal for a Joint Pocaers Agreement on Locke Park
with the County, and she felt that the power to decide for Locke Pa;:k
ought to remain in the City of Fridley. There has been some discussion
on support for maintien�.n.ce at the county level, and that seemed reasonable
because of the re�ioizal use. But, if it delegates t-he power of decision-
making to Anoka C�unty, th�n. it fa11s under_ compliance wi�h these new
proposed regicnal policies, Poiicy 2� ar.d 21, ��h�ch Ghe thought would
have a sigr�ficant impact on the way L�ike Parlc w�u7.d be used. Ther� is a
stx�ong feeling at the re�ional ievel that i� is not up to the Hennepin
County Park Reser.ve District or Anoka County cr the ather counties to
decid� how tnese thi.ng� should te used, but �hat a poiicy should be estab-
lished making al1 of them have a co;.isisten� pattern, a c�onsistent fae, etc.
Their arguu:er.t is that for purposes af cor.sisterxcy, �taey say specifica? 1y
that they a��,uld elim:inate �.idley, Blo�ming�on, ar_d E�en Prairie £roc� tkte
implementing agenciPS anc� only use the Cou�Ziy. So, in the Joint Pos��rs
A�reemenf, if Fridl.ey retains tlze poc��er to c��cid�, she �e7.t this would
withtzold it frcm tlie ragi.orial system tc so�ne extent.
l�s . Sgorre sta�ed iL was her f.eeling tha.t L-his C�mmission and this City
have tlze best unde�stan3i..y7g of the environmental sensitivities of that
site, the uzibuilda3�le s2e�es, the carrying capaci�.y. TherP are rondzti�ns
to buzlding in a f:Lnod p�_�in, and sile felt thae *he other agencies have
not demonstrated any se�s?fiivity towards the s�:n�� goal.
Ms. S�orre statea she wc�uld like the Parks & Yecreation Commissien to
ta]_tc a��out any changes tl:ai. mi.ght occur izi the ..7o9_nt Powe�s Agreemen.t
as it would affect t-hc po�;rer_ of 3ecision-makLrb for thz site.
Mr. i'oung asked rss . Sporre c,rhat powers of dccision she was �ef�rrin; ta.
Ms. Spo•rre sr�Y�:ed she w�s r�fe�ring to �he functi�nal c�anges that would.
Ue made c,r� �h� site for tiu�.la�r��s, �tc.
Mr . Young stated tha.t L-he a.nitial draft of ; he Joint Powers AgreEment
that ti�as going to be e�ecute� with �inoka Coun.L'y left that power �o the
C3.ty of Fridley. �
Ms . Iiughes asked IIr. .$oucireau tQ brirxg ttze t:or.nnissi on members u� �o date
on the status of tii�� Jaitlt 1'owers Agreemen� :
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PA,RKS & RECREATION CONP�IISSION I�FT��TG, JUNk; 2'��1.980 PAGE 8
Dr. Boudrea.0 showed Che C rnnrnission memb�rs a copy of the Joint Powers
Agreement which the City Council sent Co the County and a copy of the
Regional Trail Joint Powers �greement, a counter-offer, which the County
sen� back to the City. Iie stated that the County is including L ocke
Park, Locke Lake Park., and Pl.aza Park as ttie area that is marked for the
trail system to pass through, and they are justifying that this area
is going to be a regional use trail system.
Dr. Boudreau stated that whac :��etroiolitan Council was talking aUout
in that article is l.imiting the numz�e:r aL implementing agencies. The�e
are onl� three rnunicipalities within. the metropolitan area, Fridley,
Bloomington, and Eden Prairie, that are implementing agencies for a
regional facility. T.he Metrapolitan Council is saying they would prefer
to have no municipalities exce�t Minneapolis and St. Paul as implementing
agencies of a regional facili.t;T. Tney woul.d rather these agencies be
a larger scoped or�anization suc� �as t-he county ok the state, �r Minnea-
polis or St. Paul, anc� are pxo�osing to drop F1idley, Bloomington, and
Eden Prairie as implementing ��encies.
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Dr. Boudreau stated tk�at the Fridley City Council went on record at
their June 23rd meeting witr< a�letter to Mr. Weaver, Chairperson of
Metropolitan Council, staf:zng, "The �ity Council has reviewed the
Recreation and Open Space Developme�r Guide Policy Plan and opposes
Guide Policy ��8 on page 32. Ttie City feel5 that the Metropolitan Council
is not adequately addressing the aUil.it; �f m.�anicipalities to imp�.ement .r
r.egional facilities." As far as Dr. �o�adreau knew, there k�as been no
action on the policy change. I� is in. the discussion stages at Metro-
poiitan Council. t�lhat im�act- zt wi1.I hdve on t:he tk�ree municipalities
that are implementinL agencies is that s�u�ewhere down the line, Metro-
politan Council ma3� crnne up with operational and maintenance funds. If
Fridley was dropped as an i:Lrplementing agency, it would nct qualify for
those operational and mainten.ance futius af a regional facility. Fridley
wishes to stay qualif;.e� for that funding, ii and when it does come about.
rss. Spofre stated she agrec� with the action taken by the City Council
and applauded the Cit}* in its negoti�tioi.s with the County on this •
agreement. She woul� urge the �'arks & Rec�eatioii Commission to be
involved on a regular basis xa_ith the County in the plans for Locke Park.
Ms. Sporre stated that- two t1::_ngs th� G�mmission could do is: (1) appear
at the hearing on L-he poZicies in suppori: af t�1e City Council's aetion;
and (2) noCa.fy the County Pa.rk Commis,�ioii �hat the Parks & Recreation
Commission would J.ilce to be cognizr�nt o�' any proposals in the initial
stages for Locke Park.
Ms . Hughes stat�d the Conunissi.c�n cou1,3 di.scuss the second thing when i
they discuss the Joint- Po�ae.rs.Agreement under "Old Business". She stated ;
that the hearin� on these �-ax��us p�lx.�ins begins at 7;30 p.m.. on s
`.Chursday, June 26. She statec? the,y couA.d get iree copies of the policies �
from Metropolitan Co�.dZC3,1. ,As lang as the C:it;� iias taken some particular �_
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actLon, if any of the Commissi�n memb�r.s �*i�I� to attend the hearin�;, she
would urge them r� at�^rt�l as �i�izens, ,.�;�G it wou7.d be appropriate for .
them to say they are members.uf the Fridley Parks & Recreation Commission.
IV: OLD BUSIIV�SS:
A. Saftball Tourna�,ent Requ�st by TargEt S*oxes - tabled
Mt�ION by Ms. Se�gex, seca:�decl by t�ir. �onurick, to reniove this item
from the table and to receive the Ie�ter da�ed May 19, 1980, �rom
Cheryl Keene, Secretury, T-551 Activity Cl.u�w Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye, Chairperson Iiughes dec].ared tl��e motion carried unanimous"ly.
Dr. Boudreau statPd L-nat he had not had a.ny furtl.er. cammunicati.on
from Target since.th�y u:ere informed that the Parks & Recreation
Commission meeting was posLponed until J�ine 24th. Since, they had
expressed on the phone that they woul� �rabably b� too short on time
to plan the tourna.meext, he wou� d recoTlunen� tl:at �he Commission deny
this tournament request.
MOTION by Ms. See�er, secar�ded by Mr. �ozdrick, to deny thP softball
tournament request t�y �he �`arget Stores' T-S5I Activity C1ub.
Ms.. See�eY stat��ct sl�e objected L-o the �a-�,� t�ar th�.s t�urn,ament would
� i�vo�ve al.i the Tax��� G Stores pErsonnel �rou-� MiYincs:,ta, No�th bakota9
South Daizota, Iot,�a, k��_sconsiii, and Il1i.;�ois..
Iir. Boudreau stated it c�ras still thcir �oal to r.emove organized play
from the reighborhood parks, a.nd softbal"t touinaments are, in fact,
usi.ng nei�;hborhood facilities .
UPON A Vt?ICE VOTE, �I,T, �CY�'ING �iYF, CH:`�TRPL;RSON HTJGHES DECLARED Z`EIE
MOTION CAt2�RIED U:�t�?�'IMOUSLY:
&. �.eview of Nei kiborhooci Part. DFVelopment
MOTTON by Mr. Kon�irick, seLonded by Ms. Seeger, to continue this item
until the ne�t �rfeei:.i�:�g, II�on a voice �ro�:e, aI1 'voting aye, Chairpersorz
Hughes 3�clared Lhe motiari carried unanimousl.y.
C. Im�z o�cred Security i_n Par.lcs
Ms. I�ugti�s state�-i dzsc-assion on thas ztem �.aas cant.inued f.rorr the l�ast
n���eiing iix tez�►s vf ��het�ze?- the Co�nnission ��ani�ed to see if sometY±ing
cauld be done 3�JOLt� �mproved security in t.ie parlcs , H�w serious di�
the�r think the pxot�len� js and did the Conuniss,ion =.aant to suggest or ask - -
f�r. any ki:�d uf pla�??
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Mr. Kondrick stated he thou�h� they should tell the Police Department
-�`� - °-�� to continue the good work they have done in the past. From the
information provided by Tim� Turnbul.l at the last meeting, it appeared
that the violatiun.s in Locke Pa.rk h.ave dc�creased since 1978. He would
like the Police Uepaxtmen.t to_ know that the Commission is interested
and aware and would Iike t:e�n to continu� doing good work.
Ms, Seeger stated €he agreed c�i�h Mr. Kondrick.
Ms. Hughes stated she did no� feel it caas that big of a problem, and
she was not concerned about it. Sh� stated that unless the Commission -----�-
felt it was a big problem, they should table this item until such a
time as there was a bi_g pol.ice problem.
Mr. Young stated the thing that botiiered Y�im most about Locke Park was
not the vandalism, but th� large amour�t- of dxinking by questional�ly-
aged individuals in the parkin.� lot. He did state, however, that the
last two �times he has been in �:he �ark within tY:e last two months, there
have been police present.
MOTION by Ms. Seeger, seconded Uy �Ir. Young, to �able discussion on
the item, "Impro��Pd Secur.i�}*;ir� the Parks". Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye, Chairperson Hugk�es.deciared the motien carried unarimously.
D. Review o� �ommunity Fark Ccm�lex -�epar-e� b� Dan Alien
Ms. Hughes stated she fe?t this report w�u1d be useful wheu they get
into any sellin.g job of the coumiunity park comple.x or any ques�ions as
to �ahat the project is.
The Commissioners revieweu the report,
Mr. Young stated Yhat on the first page u�der "Current Fie1d Conditions",
it stated that "one field at Coum�ons has Iights". From cammen�s Y�e has
heard, thi.s light�.ng is t�arely adequate. Also, he wanted to point out
that for adult Couch footb�ll and yo�st:tz football, both indicate a
Iighted field .. TYcat could be i.nterpreted as tw=o lig;zted fie`ids , when
there is, in fact, on2y one lighted f�eld. -
Ms. �iughes staied that sc�me tY�ings th.a* need to be added to this report
are an outline of specit�.cally wh a?- facili.�ies wi11 be done,and what
k�nds of gradii..g, und hotir niuch they �1rould cost--a reference document .
Ms . Hughes than.ken r4r. �? ien vr�y m�ich f���: his ef�or.ts . It was extremely
useful and very much appr^ciated.
ri0TI0N b�= Ms. Seeoer, secanded by Mr. Xcung, �o receive rhe "Review of
tl�e I'ridley Commu�zi.tg Partc GomnJ.ex" p�e�are3 by Dan A1Ien. Upo� a voice
v��te, all voting aye, Chairpcxson f�u�h�:s der_�.ared the moticn carrie�
unaai�ously. ^
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PARKS & R ECR.EATION COM��:CSSiC�N t1EE2'It1G, ,iiiNk; 24, 19f3C 1?AGE 11
__.,_..-, � ___�._ Coon Rapids Waiver af Fees Request
Dr. Boudreau s�sted he would like tlze Gommission to encourage the .
Springbrook Nature Cent�e� T'outt�ation to possz�Sly send some representation
to the Coon Rapids Cit; Counci.l and request the wai.ver. of a$2,374 fee
�or provid'ing Coon Rapids r'aater and sewer ut.%lity services to tYze
Sgringt�rook Nature Cc�nter. He did not tYiink it �aas the City's position
to request this waiver., T�ecause ;he City has ai�. agreement with Coon Rapids
that allows tk�em tc� hook i�to Coon Rapids sewe.r and water and pay the
serva.ce charge. Iie felt it was well within the m�ans of the Sp�angbrook
Nature Center Faui�.dativn to r.e�uast Caon kapids ta participate in that -�"�"
project by waivi.ng #:he fee.
MOTION �y Mr. Youn�, se.coizrled by ��Ir. A21en, to ask the Springb�ook
Nature Center Four�datior; to seek a waiver of a$2,374 fee from Goon �Capids
for sewer and w�.ter. cannecr_ions for tY��e Spx�ingbrook Nature Center. Upon
a voi.ce vote, all. voting aye, Chairpersoxi I�u�hes ueclared the rnotion
carried uuanimotxs�.y.
Ms. Seeoer stated the next Springbrook T3a;.u;:e Center Foundation's meeting
was Tuesday, Ju1� 1, 'buc stie would be unaUle to attend.
Dr. , Pouclz•e�» ��ated he wc�uid have Mr .. S* . Clair pu� this on the Foundation's
agenda fur discussiaxx. ;
F . .7oixit Powexs A�reeu�ent
Dr. Boudreau state.cl that, as he mentioned earlier, t�.e City submitted
the Joint Powers Agx�en:ent to �he County, �aho turned it down, but have
naw submitted a cour,ter-offer to the Ci±;_y. �ie ur�derstood tiiat L-oday
the Anaka County Boaz�i appraved their document, which a.s basicalZy �he
sa�e agreement as the Ci�y`s. One changP was t�:e addition of Locice Lake
Park and Plaza Park (pa,e 2),because �hat is �:he planned rou�e of their
trail system.
Ux. Baudreau stated tt�at on page 3, undex L-:he "County's Responsibilities",
they have said Lhey �tiiil "provide xouti.ne main�enaLlce on a sch�dule......
as E�xavided in t�;e I�aster Plan attached as Exhi.bit A at �. minimum" ,
i��. �oe��.g stated �zc� u�.d r�c� find anything in s�his agreem�nt that v.as in.
disagrPement �aith tlze a��eem�iit tha� went frcm Fridley to Anoka County.
the only thing he fouiic� questiQi�.able was �a�� /r, Item �r8, un.der "Courxty
Resgonsibili�:ies"; "ao s�h.edu�.e special ac�i.vities.....Any �penia?
activity scheclule<3. iia tlie park bg the Cour�ty which is not in keeging
with the noi�r��l day �:u da.y usc of the park shoul.!? be cQncurr.�d wi.tlz by
thc CitS* Managez liefox-� su�h ac�i�rity is 7ield." He f�l� that sh�uld
b� changed to re� d t `° ...�,shc,ul.d be cc,iicurred with by the City Manage�
after consultatiou �c.*a th �:he City Parks & ficcrea4i.o:. Director Uefore such
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ae�ivity is held:°' �
�� Ur. �oudxeau stacecl the �ounry has cl�an�ed �k�) on page 4 under "Gounty
hespon�i:��ilitic�s1° "o �:ead: "To estal,lish an�i Co col.lect user fc�es, if
auy, �r:�tlz �a=:�t.a F�wer. hy the Cit�.� Gou��ci1.'�
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PARKS & RECREATION CQl�'lNLCSSION P�.ETING, J"(TfT�: 2�+ 1980 PAGE 12
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Dr. Boudreau statecl that undex "City Res�onsibiXities", page 4, ��3,
�"�' " �'" the County has rec�uested tha; the City "provide sCorage for county
park equipment at the City's Yub13.c Wor.ks Yard". It is the City's
thought that maybe the Cour.ty will put i.n additional £encing behind
Columbia Arena and behind trte Recycling Center for storage of their
equip�ent. It would not cause an inconrenience to the City Garage.
Dr. Boudreau stated that i_n ��4, page 5, the City is "to provide City
heavy equipmenC to assist Co�.?aty cre�,Ts on special proj�cts if City has
equipment a�;ailable:" Also i.n �k6, page 5, the City is "to provida
upkeep and maintenance of a13 City stre�ts that provide access to
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parkways and parking lots". Dr. Boudreau stated these things are being
done already. '
Dr. Boudreau stated that in I�em V(Capital Tmprovementsj, "Any.develop-
mex�t plans made by the Couni:y to irapr.ove the park facilities ,other than
the normal maintenance activi.ties shall be a4�roved in writin by the
City Council."
Dr. Boudreau stated that a Default clause (Item X, page 7) was added
by the County.
�r. Roudreau stafieu �t1at �t the June ?_3rd City Council meeting, the
City G�uncil received a uo}�} of the dra;i: going to tlze County Commissioners:
The City i.ouncil was concer,nec about the wording in the "Termination" �`
clause (Item XI, page 7), which read: "Upon termination of this agreement,
the City sha11 maintain any paxt of 4!�e trail cahich has been constructed
within Locke Park, Locke Lake Park ox P1aza Park, for such period of time
as the Rice Creek-West Regiona]. Trail is i.r� use by the general publa.c."
The City Council cl�anged it ta read that.if. the Agreement is `terminated
by the County, the Gou�Zty_h.as the maintenance re�ponsibility �or that
trail. This wox•ding cha�ge protect�d the City of Fridley so the County
ca�'t back out of the Agxeem�nt an� dzog the �aintenance of that trail
onto the Citv. �s t?� understood it, with the wording change of that
paragraph and with the "veto pocver" woruing in ,�9 on page 4, the County
Board has accepted this clocument as a pxoposed �oint Powers Agreement.
Tt now comes �ack to the City Council, and thEr.e was concern by the
City Council that Dr. Boudreau brin� this to �he Parks & Recreation
Coz�nission at this rneetiug so that the Cou�missicn would have the oppor-
�unxty for input before,�.'r?ey aci on it. iie believed the City Council
wi11 be acting on this at t=heir 3u1y 7th mee�ing.
Ms. Hu�hes re�e:rrea ro the "Ca�ital lr.�nrovements" (Item V, page 5),
the second sentence, whicli reads: "Any capi.tal�improvements provided
for in the 1�iaster Plan en fiie wzth the Metropolitan Council are hereby
deemed approved and no further approval b3= the City is necessary."
She stated the Commissicn might want ta recommend that the City Council
consider tha� "�ny c.:p9.�a1_ improve�ienfis provided for in the Master Plan
an file c�ith rietrapolitai� Council sriil require approval b,y the City" .
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I'ARKS & RECR�ATIOI3 C()i��''i7SSIQ�d_ �';EE�.'iT3v� ,TUTdE 2��� lg8p PAGE 1.°,
Ms . Hugiles st�teci stle did not know �.f that w°s the correct wording,
but it means that �. l�ig building ox a t,ig de>>elopnient pr.olect like
�he trail stiiT. needs tc� �e revi.ewed h� che City. One of the reasons
f.or that woulci he to mak�: sure t,he Cour.t,y is coiasl.dering the critical
areas an3 that t}7ey areri' i: btiilding trails on ].arid that will erode .
MO'�ION by Ms , See�ea.; , seconde� by Mr. Kor..dri.ck, to recom.mend �to
City Council tha� ]:tem VT �Approvalsj be dele�ed fram the Regiorzal
Trai1 :Jain� Powexs Agreem� r7� , .
Ms . Seeger stated tl�a* �.�a "l��proval:s" i..� states t1;at "Wherever in this
agr�ement conr_urxence ox a�aproval by one party is required before action
is tak.en by the nther par��,�, �he failux°e tc, respond to a written proposal
within thirty (30) da,�s sha11 be consider.ed concurrence and approval."
She stated she felt 30 davs was noL- a very long time.
Mr. 1'oung stated he di.d nca� have any dii�ficult.y c�ith the clause, because
it pretec�s boti� garti.es, b+a.t he di.d ha.ye pro�slems with the 3U days. �
Ms. Seeger stated she abjected to the cor�cur.•rence, approval, and the
time pericd. �
MGTIQN $Y MR: Y�L?�T� SEC�JNDED BY MR: Kvlv'�tRICK, TO SYIBSTTTTJ�'E TH�; A�OVE
M'J7'7.OrV I�T�E BY ALS . tiF�GE�., AII� T0 REGi7��i :','�.i _�'�l G.!_T`Y Cn�tTINCIL T`�IA`.0 Sr�CTT0I3 `rI
AZ'Pt��VALS BE I��ETTUEU TO Ft�[3.D "90 DA`.�i�` ��JJ�r�!�tly� OF "30" BAYS;
Ms. Seeger stated �his st�.11 does na�
abaut tlie Agxeement; ar}.d daes �xoi� give
the right to rearly lcnoca ab�ut it ,
give the c.itizen the right to hear
he:r as a citize�i o� as a commissi.one�
UFON A Vu`LCE `'dOTf,� ?IUG�3.�S 9.YONT?RT�K, Y(?UI�?�, AATU bi,LEN VOTING AYE, SEEGER,
VOTING NAY, TfiE Mt)`1'TO�+I Cl�IED WITH A 4-1 VtYI.'E ;—
MOTION IiY MR; KOI�IT��',I�iC, SFCGI�TDED BY MR; XOL'I�C;2 TO CONCUF. WTT%i THE FOLLOl�'ING
C�iANGES IYIADE BY 'J�iiE Ct��fi�'�Y: —
��I'A-9. "Tc, esta��,ish a�,d to, collect: us�r �ees, if any, wirh
vet:o pow�r_ b�� the Citv Cr..uz?c�.l."
XI • TERMTNATTO�v7 - rcr�i.��.� chan�e �haG�if � thE:, County cancels agree;nent z
the Coun�y wil.1 mai.xztain thQ trail�s stem.
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UPQN A VQICE VOTE, AL,T, �'OAT.�G Ay�;, CHArRPFR;f)� I�tTG�LrS �r�,t�RED TfiF 1K0`CION
CA�2RxED tTr1�M0USL� �
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MO'.�ION BY MR: YOUNtTz SI;GOi4'IJ�D BY :"llZ; A?,T,�N, T.) RIJCO�MEND TO CTTY' C:OUTICIL
�H�1T IIT-A-8�a��i�f�E rt;,��:�Iv7)ED TO t�.I��`�i)� " ,.SIiOULD L�E GQNCiTRI',.ED WTT��
BY Tfi� CITY MANAG��� °JY�:N'_CC}�?StT[.T���IJ�T IvITIi. �"1-iE �rRI�LEY :E'?,P.KS & RECR�AT�ON
DTi2�CTOR AND STAF� d"~ � — _ - - -- _ .
UP�N A VOICE VOTE, �.,�, �r�;.x1�;J �y�' CHA:iP.I'EI`tS0I7 HU;;H�S UI;CLt`zRr,l} T�L
MOTIUl� CAR,RZ.ED U:v�j..N�iiGU'SLx';
PARKS & R��A}ION COMMISSI�N riE�iT�G J��1T 2� 1980 P�G� 14
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MOTZOI3 TaY MS. SEEGER, SECOI�:ED BY MR: YQUNG TO RI:CQMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL .___ _. ..
't'�iAT THF 5ECOZID SL'NTEPdCF. IN SFCTION V(C.4FITAL �CMPTtOVBMEiTrS} �L AMENDED
Tp REAb : "AI�TY CAPITt�L 3Ml'ROtJFMt:NTS PR���TDED �`OR IN THE :�1�1STER PLAN ON
FILE t�rl'I'�i TI3� I�TRQYOLITAII�? C:GiTNC1L PiUST �3E APPROV�D BY CITY COUNCIL AND
THE PARKS & RECREATION CC��L.'�1I�SION:"
UPON A VOICE V�TE, AL�� VOTiNG AYE, C�3AZR1'ERSJN HUGHES DECLAREU THE
MQTION C:ARRTEU . UNANtPiOUSLY .
The Commissioners asked the questian: Wil1 snovnnobiling be al�owed on
the trail system? They stat�a they wou].d lilce clarification regarding
Section XIi. (SeverabiJ ity'} ancl its rel�t�..anship to rietropolitan Council
and the Gouncil's abi.lity to disregard Fric':�.ey's power to d�sagree.
MQTIO�`d BY Mlt: YOUNG, SECO2v'DED BY M2 ;_A�,LF'.�1, a 0 CONV�Y THE R.c GIONAL TRAIL
JO�N'.t POWERS AGREEMENT AS �..�iENL�FB �0 ��'".Ci' COUNCIL .
UFON A VOiCL� Vd�E, ALT� '4'OTThG �iY�, GH�iRP�itSON HUGIiES DE{:I,ARED TtiE
MOTTON CARRIED UN�iNTMOLT�LY.
G. Citi�e��.s' Counnittee for Recreation Ceriter
After. much discussion, i� �?as t-he cancen.�us ef tl�.e Commission that
the Chairi�rson formuZ�.te a 1eCrer to tr� citi.Uens r.equesting tha.t any- �
one interested in voluntee�ing fcr such a co:rs�it�.ee should su�mi� a
xesume to tYie Parks & F.ecreation Ccuuniss �_ori .
Ms. Aughes s�ated she �aould f.ormulat� such a�etter, bring it to Staff
far re��ieta, and then it would i�e mailed c�ut to each �zausehol.d ir•_ the City.
H. Final �proval of CapitaJ_ Out1•ay
MJTT.OIV BY M[t. K��IS?RIGK, SECCiv�'ilED BY i�fi�: ALT.EN, TO APPR4��: T.'rLE ��IN'A�.�
GAPI`�'..�L CVi'LAY ��.`3t� Td RFCOi�T�F.N� 'i'H�:T C:LTY C0�.3NC3L ACCEPT i.C�F �'IV��
CAPITAL OU�L�Ya
UPGN A\TO�CF VOTE, ALL VtY�ING AY'�, CtIE�IfiP,�RSGiQ HUGHES DECL=AR�D '�HE
MUITON CA..��TED LT�EiNIl`�OUSLY;
1�DJOURI�INIFN'r ;
Chairperson Iiughes declared tlie .JL1I1G 24, 1980, Pa.r�cs & Recrea4ior Ca�.unissw_ou
m.eeti.n.g a.cljoaLned at 11:3?_ p.m.
f?espect:tully subn�i��ed,
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Ly�4;i� S�}bn
IZecorc:ir�.�; Sec�etsry
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