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PR 09/27/1982 - 31282� CITY OF FRIDLEY PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 � �ALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Kondrick called the September 27, 1982, Parks & Recreation Comnission meeting to order at 7:30 p.m. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Dave Kondrick, Mary Schreiner, Dick Young, Dan Allen Me�bers Absent: Jan Seeger Others Present: Charles Boudreau, Parks & Recreation Director See attached list APPROVAL OF AUGUST 3, 1982, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: MOTION BY MS. SCHREINER, SECONDED 8Y MR. YOUNG, TO APPROVE THE AUGUST 3, 1982� � PARKS & RECREATION C0INMISSION MINUTES AS WRITTEN. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAI.RPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE 1HOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: MOTIDN BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MR. ALI�EN� TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH THE FOLLOW- ING ADDITIONS AND CHANGES: REQUEST & PETITIDN FOR ICE RINK AT JAY PARR - JAY PARK RESIDENTS (MOVED TO FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA) Petition No. 9-82 WOODCREST BAPTIST CHURCH SCHOOL DONATION - ITEM D UNDER "DIRECTOR'S REPORT" COMMENT ON NATURE CENTER FALL NEWSLETTER - MARY SCHREINER - ITEM A UNDER "OTHER BUSINESS" UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CNAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. REQUEST AND PETITION FOR AN ICE RINK AT JAY PARK - JAY PARK RESIDENTS: Mr. Gary Marlow, 6525 Nlain St. N.E., stated they are at tf�e meeting to request an ice rink in Jay Park. RigF�t now t�iey have a park that is inadequate for any- thing as far as winter activities. Right now the average aged child is 102 years old, and Jay Park is more of a toddl�rs' park. There is a climber and a swing set and that is all. He stated they have a petition to present to the Parks & � Recreation Commission requesting one ice skating rink at the Fridley Jay Park location. � PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 PAGE 4 �, Mr. Young stated his biggest concern was the fact that these chT�dren are having to cross major streets to go to other areas. A resident stated the major reason for the petition for a skating rink was because it is not safe to cross major streets to any of t�e other available rinks. Dr. Boudreau stated the City is planning a bikeway/walkway system that will go down from their neighborhood and across t�e metropolitan sewer dike on Rice Creek and connect in with the County's bikeway/walkway system. He stated this neighborhood's problem is not new to the City. They have the bikeway/walkway on the east side of University, and they have looked at the problem of getting the people on the west side of University to go north and south. Ms. Schreiner stated it might be beneficial to get more up-to-date information on numbers of children in particular areas. Mr. Kondrick stated they will definitely review this, will get some new up-to-date fiformation in terms of numbers, dollars, etc., and will notify the residents of their recommendation. MOTION BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MS. SCHREINER, TO CONTINUE DISCUSSION ON THE REQUEST FOR AN ICE SKATING AREA AT JAY PARR UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING AND TO REQUEST STAFF TO PROVIDE THE CO�iMISSION WITH 50ME INPUT WITH R,EGARD TO THE AVERAGE AGE OF THE CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD5 IN ORDER TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY � PARKS ARE BEING USED TO TXE BEST USE OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CXAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLA.RED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Dr. Boudreau stated he would be happy to work with any or all of the Jay Park residents in trying to solve this problem. Mr. Kondrick thanked everyone for coming to the meeting. 2. REQUEST - NORTH SUBURBAN CIUIC CENTER AND ICE ARENA: Representatives from North Suburban Civic Center and Ice Arena were at the meeting to request financial support from the City of Fridley because many of the users of the ice arena live in a portion of Frid]ey. Mr. Young asked how much time in the ice arena is already scheduled for this coming year. Mr. Duane Hass stated a majority of the prime ice time has been requested for use by the Spring Lake Park Hockey Assoc. and the 8laine Hockey Assoc. Prime time is 5:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m. Saturday and Sunday are also prime time. Mr. Young stated that, assuming the City of Fridley was agreeable to this request, and because it is tax money, it is possible the Fridley Hockey Assoc. would be � 11�terested 1''n using tfie ice arena. What guarantee was there that the Fridley Hockey Assoc, would be allocated so many hours of prime time? .-� PARKS & RECREATION CONIMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 __ __ PAGE 5 Mr. Hass stated fie was speaking for the area of Fridley t�at is District l6. T�at area of Fridley, Spring Lake Park, and southern Blaine have an agreement for 3U� of that prime ice time. As far as the rest of Fridley, it was not involved in this particular project. , Dr. Boudreau stated that in the Fridley Hockey Assoc program, there are approx. 200+ children, not counting broomball. So, they are looking at about 63 children out of 350 who would participate in the ice arena. He stated the North Suburban Civic Center is looking to the City of Fridley for assistance with a project that is basically serving Blaine, Spring Lake Park, and a small part of Fridley. He thought it put Fridley in a precarious situation to start breaking up school districts when they should be looking at the City as a whole. MOTION BY MR. ALLEN, SECONDED BY MS. SCXREINER, TO RECEIVE THE LETTER AND INFORMATION DATED SEPT. 15, 1982� ON THE NORTH SUBURBAN CNIC CENTER AND ICE ARENA. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTIDN CARRIED UNANIINOUSLY. Mr. Hass stated they will be making a presentation to the Fridley City Council. Mr. Kondrick thanked Mr. Hass, Mr. Hurt, and Mr. Nelson for coming to the '`'- meeting and wished them luck in their project. � 3. NORTHEAST CHAMBER ENSEMBLE AND FRIDLEY CITY BAND: Ms. Agnes Wolf stated representatives from the Northeast Chamber were at the meeting to request continued financial support from the City of Fridley. This year they are requesting $1,700--an increase of $200 over last year. The primary reason for the increase is for their library. Mr. Young asked if the members of the Northeast Chamber contribute monies. Ms. Wolf stated the members pay dues. This year they put in $94.50 overall. They use the City money only .to pay the director and buy music. All other expenses, memorials, coffee money, etc., come from the members. Mr. Young stated he was quite concerned with the City funding both the Northeast Chamber and the City Band for one reason, and that was because he is the President of SACA (Southern Anoka Community Assistance). He wasn't concerned just because the City of Fridley decided to cut funding for SACA ($2,000), but they cut fund- ing for what he would consider "people" organizations--Central Center for Family Resources, The Alexandra House, North Suburban Family Services Center, and the Fridl�ey Creative Play Center. Three of these organizations were highly recommended by the Human Resources Commission to receive funding. He stated these are organi- zations that are helping the poor of this community. In many cases, the people cannot afford to go elsewhere for professional counseling. They are people who need food or clothing on a short-term basis, people who need assistance for a utility bi]1, or a prescription for a sick child. He stated he was quite upset PARKS & RECREATION CON��IISSION �EETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 7982 PAGE 6 '� to learn that the City has been funding what he would call "cultural pursuits" �l� t� Northeast Chamber and the City Band. Another thing that upset him when he saw the membership lists was that one-third - 40% of the memberships did not even come from t�e City of gridley. So, tfie City is funding people who come from Cambridge, New Brighton, Plymouth, and Northeast Minneapolis in order for them to have "cultura]" enjoyment, but yet, to the best of the Commission's knowledge, t�ose communities are not puiting any money into this organization. Mr. Young stated he participates in a civic organization called the Jaycees. He stated that, figurin there are about 40 people in the Northeast Chamber and they only collected �94.50, that is only about $2.50/person to continue in a leisure time social activity they enjoy. He stated his dues to the Jaycees is $24/year. It costs more than $2.50/person per year just to participate in soft- ball or any other community function. Ms. Betty Scott stated the organizations Mr. Young had mentioned have many other sources of funding they can go to, and Fridley knows that. The people who go to SACA also have many other outlets they can go to. There is no one in Anoka County who has to go without food or medical treatment. She stated she did not think it was fair to compare the Northeast Chamber with the organizations that assist people because it is not the same thing. � It was stated that tfie $1,500 requested last year for the Northeast Chamber and � the $1,700 they hope to receive this year is not for Lheir 30-44 members only. It is an organization that lends a certain "plus" to Fridley. They are not asking for the money to just have fun with. It is a part of Fridley to have something cultural for people to belong to and for people to come to listen to. They have concerts in churches, they play for the seniar citizens, and they play in many other places in Fridley. Part of the membership who come from other comnunities are people who play different instruments which are needed in order to make the orchestral. Also,several members are former Fridley residents who have moved away. Ms. Schreiner stated the orchestra is a year-around program. A person who takes a course through Community Education must pay a registration fee for a quarter, 8 weeks, whatever, or if a person joins a softball program for the summer, there is a registration fee plus balls and bats. Her point was that if they were to look at participation in the orchestra as a quarterly participation, it would not be very expensive. Mr. Kondrick stated the Commission is having difficulty in trying to figure out why the orchestra program is any different from other city pragrams. There are many participants in the other programs--whether chi7dren or adults--and every one has to contribute some do7lars to participate, yet this seems to be a reversal of that. He stated it has come to light now more so than in the past because of the current money crunch. He stated the members of the Northeast Chamber and the City Band must understnad where the Carimission is coming from and why they are asking these questions and why there is some resistance on their ^ part for this funding. ^ PARKS & RECREATION CON�IISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 PAGE 7 Dr. Boudreau, stated he should also point out that the Northeast Chamber and the City Band are two of the groups who have paid leadership while a71 the rest of the youth sports, etc., all have volunteer leadership. _ Ms. Nicky Larson stated that was a different thing, because those people are not professionals. They are peop7e who have been in it for a long time and have grown through it. They are not people who have graduated with a degree in music and are speciaiists in the field. But, the City does pay for the umpires and referees. If they didn't have the umpires or referees, they could not have the programs, and they cannot have an orchestra or a band without a director. Mr. Young asked if the City paid the $700 for the music, would the members pay the director's salary--about $33.50 per person? Ms. Wolf stated she knew the members present at this meeting would be willing to pay $33 per person, but she could not speak for the rest of the members. Mr. Allen stated it sounded l�ke this orchestra was one of the few like it in the area and it sounded like they do a lot of good. He stated he real]y felt some of this money could be donated or raised, with a little effort on the part of the Northeast Chamber or City Band members, through some group, business, or private individuals who strongly support their activities. He stated a71 the � Comoission is asking is that they pitch in and do what other people are doing, and that is trying to raise money for the groups they feel are important. Mr. Kondrick stated he would agree with Mr. Young--that the City pay for the music but not the directors' salaries. Mr. Ross Larson stated that what is being requested by these two groups is minuscule compared to the bucks that are put out every year for sports in the City of Fridley, and that really bothered him. MOTION BY MS. SCHREINER, SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN, TO RECOMMEND THAT FOR BOTH THE NORTHEAST CXAMBER AND THE CITY BAND, THE CITY CONTINUE TO UNDERWRITE THE TOTAL COST OF TNE MUSIC AND SUPPLIES AND TO UNDERWRITE ONE-HALF OF THE DIRECTORS' SALARIES FOR THE YEAR 1983-84; WITH NO UNDERWRITING OF THE DIRECTORS' SALARIES IN THE YEAR 1984-85. � MOTION TO AMEND BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MS. SCHREINER, TO RECOMMEND THAT FOR BOTH THE NORTHEAST CHAINBER AND THE FRIDLEY CITY BAND, THE CITY CONTINUE TO UNDERWRITE THE COST OF THE MUSIC AND SUPPLIES ($600 - N.E. CHAMBER; $500 - CITY BAND)� BUT ONLY TO UNDERWRITE ONE-FOURTH (1/4) OF THE DIRECTURS� SALARIES-- THREE lHONTHS INTO THE COMING YEAR Wf1ICH WOIJLD ALLOW THEM TIME TO PREPARE FOR THE P.HASE-OUT OF THE DIRECTORS' SALARIES. UPON A VOICE VOTE, YOUHG, SCHREINER� AND ALLEN VOTING AYE� KONDRICK ABSTAINING, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED. � � PARKS & RECREATION CON�tISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 PAGE 8 � 4. DIRECTOR'S REPORT: a. Springbrook Nature Center User Fee Dr. Boudreau stated he had written a memo to Mr. Qureshi on Sept. 17, 1982, advising Mr. Qureshi that the fee schedule suggestion had been turned over to Siah St. Clair for his review and suggestions by the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation. After this meeting takes place, he wil] review their suggestions with the Parks & Recreation Commission and forward the reco�nendations through the process to the City Council. Dr. Boudreau stated this was to bring the Comnission up to date on the status of the Springbrook Nature Center user fee. b. Independent School District #16 Dr. Boudreau stated the Comnission members had received a copy of a letter from Dr. Chris Huber, Supt, of Schools, and Gladys Murray, Director of Special Services, from Dist. 16 thanking Jack Kirk and the Fridley City Recreation Department for the fine job of participating this summer with Blaine and Spring Lake Park in running cooperative programming for children in the area. Dr. Boudreau stated Fridley will probably do this again next year if the other canmunities are still ^ interested. MOTION BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN� TO RECEIVE THE LETTER DATED SEPT. 7, 1982, FROM SCHOOL DIST. 1`. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE 1NOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. c. Community Park Lighting Dr. Boudreau stated the City has an agreement with Donahue & Assoc. to help advise and do the spec work on the types of ]ighting needed for the softball diamonds at the new community park. The City hopes to have the lighting in by next April, so they will be going out for bids before the first of the year. d. Woodcrest Baptist Church School Donation Dr. Boudreau stated he had a copy of a letter addressed to the Mayor of Fridley from Robert Chrisman, Administrator of Woodcrest Baptist Church School, which had included a contribution of $200 to the Parks & Recreation Department to use as it saw fit. Mr. Chrisman stated they appreciated the good care the City has taken of the area of Locke Park they use. T.hey also wanted to thank the City for its fine recreation program. �-. � PARKS & RECREATION COMNIISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27, 1982 PAGE 9 0 The Comnission members expressed appreciation for this thoughtful contribution from Woodcrest Baptist Church. MOTIDN BY MR. YOUNG, SECaNDED BY lNR. ALLEN� TO RECENE THE LETTER FR01N MR . CHRISMAN . UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 5. NEW BUSINESS: a. Request - Totino Grace High School Dr. Boudreau stated the Commission members had a copy of a letter from Mark Loahr, the Head Hockey Coach for Totino Grace, requesting permission to use the hockey rink and warming house facility at Locke Park from 4:00-5:00 p.m, weekdays during the hockey season. Dr. Boudreau stated this rink is not set up for hockey; it is used strictly for broomball. �. Mr. Young stated he had heard that Spring Lake Park School Dist. 16 had given the hoekey rink and warming house they had to the hockey program that was represented earlier in the meeting for the reason that Dist. 16 felt they could not continue to maintain it. They had estimated the cost to maintain the rink last year was $4-6,000. Considering that, the City of Fridley would be looking at possibly a $4-6,000 contribution to a non-public institution. Dr. Boudreau stated that in keeping with what the Commission and the Parks & Recreation Department have always fe7t and done in the past is that these rinks are to service the programs that are provided for the children of Fridley. After that, even though there is not much open ice time, they like to keep the rinks open on a first-come, first-serve basis. Mr. Allen stated he would agree with that. MOTION BY MR. YOUNG� SECONDED BY MR. ALLEN, TO DENY THE REQUEST BY Z10TIN0 GRACE HIGH SCHDOL FOR THE USE OF THE HOCKEY RINK AND WARMING HOUSE FACILITY AT IACKE PARK. . UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. n PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, SEPTEMBER 27 19$2 PAGE 10 b. Proposed Ice Areas 1982-83 Dr. Boudreau stated he would recomnend that all 10 hockey rinks remain _ the same as last year: 2 1 1 2 1 1 1 1 - Commons - Flanery - Hayes - Locke (broomba]1) - Madsen - Rice Creek Elementary - - Ruth Circle - Stevenson Elementary - no warming house no warming house Or. Boudreau stated he is recommending that the general skating area at Burlington Northern be eliminated. He is recommending they not have a skating area at Farr Lake and to do Harris Lake only if the demand is there. They will try to have a general skating area in the new community park which will eliminate them from having a general skating area at Locke Park, and they may not have a general skating area at Edgewater Gardens. MOTION BY MR. YOUNG, SECONDED BY MS. SCHREINER, TO ACCEPT THE RECOMMENDATIONS BY THE PARKS & RECREATION DIRECTOR FOR THE HOCKEY AND GENERAL SKATING AREAS FOR THE Z982-83 SEASON, AND TO CONTINUE THE DECISION ON THE JAY PARK ICE RINK UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CXAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 5. OTHER BUSINESS: a. Comnent on Nature Center Fall Newsletter - Mary Schreiner Ms. Schreiner stated she just wanted to compliment Staff on the excellent nature center fall newsletter. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION BY MR. ALLEN, SECONDED BY MR. YOUNG, TO ADJOURN THE MEETING. UPON A VDICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON DECLA.RED THE SEPTEMBER 27, 1982, PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING AA70URNED AT 10:30 P.1N. 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