11/03/2003 - 00028672CITY OF FRIDLEY
PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING — NOVEMBER 3, 2003
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Kondrick called the November 3, 2003 Parks & Recreation Commission Meeting to
order at 7:16 p. m.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Dave Kondrick, Tim Solberg, Dolores Varichak and Dick Young
Others Present: Jack Kirk, Director of Recreation & Natural Resources
Siah St. Clair, Naturalist
Jeremy Powers, Springbrook Nature Center Foundation
Malcolm Mitchell, Springbrook Nature Center Foundation
APPROVAL OF SEPTEMBER 15, 2003 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES
Mr. Young stated that he had a correction to be made on the September 15, 2003 minutes. On page
5, the third paragraph down should read "Mr. Young stated he would like to see us eliminate all
hockey rinks that would be at a site that did not have a warming house. This would eliminate all
hockey rinks except at Commons Park."
MOTION by Mr. Solberg, seconded by Mr. Young, to approve the minutes of the September 15, 2003
Parks and Recreation Commission meeting, with the correction noted by Mr. Young.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED.
APPROVAL OF PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 3, 2003
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Solberg, to approve the agenda for the November 3, 2003
meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED.
1. STAFF REPORT
a. Program Update
Mr. Kirk stated that the Program Update for the past month identifies some of the programs
and activities of the Recreation and Natural Resource Department. He wanted to let the
Commission members know about the very successful Halloween event at Springbrook Nature
Center on Saturday, October 25t". Over 2,000 people attended the "Pumpkin Night in the
Park" event — a really great turnout for this special event. The nature center staff works with
many volunteers (close to 100) to make this event happen.
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Mr. Kirk stated that the senior program sponsored a craft show at the Fridley Community
Center on October 10 and 11. Over $1000 was raised to help support the operation of the
Community Center. The goal is to make this craft show an annual event.
Mr. Kirk stated that he wanted to update the Commission on the status of a warming house
facility at Commons Park. The Fridley Lions Club had responded to Mr. Kirk's request for
funding by saying that they would provide 50% of the money ($1800), provided that the
balance of the donations needed could be raised from the Fridley business community. Mr.
Kirk stated that thanks to the generosity of Dave's Sport Shop, Joe DiMaggio's Restaurant,
Bob's Produce Ranch, and Newquist and Ekstrum Law Firm, he now had the necessary
funding to make the Commons Park Warming house happen this winter. The warming house
will be open Monday through Friday from 3 pm to 9 pm and weekends from 12 noon to 9 pm.
Commons should be a great central location for the one warming house. The two hockey
rinks, skating oval and sliding hill provide more options for winter sports than the other
potential warming house locations.
b. Park Maintenance Report
Mr. Kirk stated that Dave Lindquist could not be at the meeting tonight, but he had provided a
list of accomplishments over the past month. The Parks Maintenance division has winterized
all the irrigation systems in the parks; installed and made repairs for all the hockey rinks;
removed all the summer sports field equipment (soccer nets, goals); removed the old press
box at the Commons 2 ballfield; repaired fencing and gates in the park system; and completed
fall leaf pickup in the parks.
c. Springbrook Nature Center Budget Status
Mr. Kirk stated that since June of this year, when the City Manager's proposed budget was
presented to the City Council, the future of Springbrook Nature Center has been uncertain
and Springbrook has been a hotly debated topic. The proposed budget called for elimination
of the Naturalist programs and the closing of the interpretive center building. In response to
the budget recommendation, the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation members and other
Springbrook supporters have held rallies and attended numerous City Council meetings to
show support for continuing the nature center operation. A petition was circulated in the
community to try and persuade the City Council to put a Springbrook funding question on the
November ballot.
The City Council decided to wait until 2004 to put the question of Springbrook funding on the
ballot and the Council committed to providing some funding for the nature center staff in 2004.
City staff was directed to meet with representatives of the City Council, the SNC Foundation
and the Parks and Recreation Commission to discuss funding options for Springbrook Nature
Center.
After looking carefully at eight potential funding levels, the City Council ultimately decided it
would support a 2004 Springbrook Nature Center budget level of $262,000. This represents
about a 12% reduction from the full funding proposal for 2004 that City staff had originally
submitted to the City Manager last spring. The revenue to support this budget level would
include $103,000 in program fees and charges, a$56,400 contribution from the Springbrook
Nature Center Foundation and $102,600 from the City of Fridley general fund budget. This
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represents approximately a 60% decrease in City budget dollars for Springbrook from the
2003 budget level.
Mr. Kirk further stated that while the raising of contributions for Springbrook and the increased
revenue expectations from the various programs will present a challenge for the coming year,
he believed that the budget level selected was really the best that we could have hoped for. It
was almost a sure thing that Springbrook would not receive full funding for 2004, and the
$262,000 level (Level "B") was the next highest funding option being considered. Staff is
pleased to have the opportunity to operate the nature center programs for this community next
year.
Mr. Kirk also stated that the City Council did stipulate that they would review the status of the
revenues and contributions at a mid-year point next year. Adjustments to the 2004 budget
may have to be made if the revenues do not appear to be on track to reach their projected
goals.
d. Canada Goose Program Report
Mr. Kirk stated that the agenda packet included some information from the Canada Goose
Program. The City of Fridley has participated in this goose removal at Moore Lake since
1990. This past summer, crews removed geese on June 17t" and again on June 24t", with a
total of 60 geese being taken from the Moore Lake area. For the past six years, we have
been averaging about 66 geese removed each summer. That compares with 183 birds
removed the very first year (1990) and an average of 119 geese over the first six years. The
program appears to be doing what it was intended to do, that being an overall reduction of the
number of birds at the site and keeping most of the geese away during the summer swimming
beach season.
Mr. Young noted that the Goose removal program now costs the City an average of almost
$25 per bird. The increased cost is partially due to the $15 per bird processing fee for the
adult geese.
Mr. Kondrick asked the Commission members to think about this expenditure for the Canada
Goose Program in light of all the budget concerns of the City. At a future meeting, the
Commission should discuss the continued participation in the program.
Mr. Kirk stated that in 1990, it cost an average of $5.46 per bird for the removal of the 183
geese. In 2003, it cost an average of $24.75 per bird for the removal of the 60 geese.
e. MS Challenge Walk Thank You Letter
Mr. Kirk stated that he had received a letter from the National Multiple Sclerosis Society
(Minnesota Chapter) thanking the City of Fridley for supporting the Challenge Walk with the
use of our parks and trails. It sounds like the event was a big success.
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f. Islands of Peace Park Building
Mr. Kirk stated that Anoka County Parks is going to be leasing the use of the visitor's center at
the Islands of Peace Park to the Minnesota Recreation and Park Association (MRPA) for
administrative offices. The visitor's center has been closed much of the time over the past ten
years and this use would allow the facilities restrooms to be open to park users when the
office is open. A staff presence on site would also help to reduce some of the vandalism at
the park that has encountered in the past few years. Because the park is City of Fridley
property and we have a lease agreement with the County for use of the facility, the County
needed concurrence from the City to proceed with the rental to MRPA.
g. Recreation Program Specialist — Margo Prasek
Mr. Kirk stated that the Recreation Division has a new employee in the Recreation Program
Specialist position. Her name is Margo Prasek, a recent graduate of the College of St.
Benedict with a Bachelors Degree in Communication and Art. Margo has over four years of
experience working with our recreation programs in Fridley, primarily as a Youth Recreation
leader in the summer programs. Her primary duties will be overseeing the elementary age
after-school program, the various trips and outings, the youth instructional activities and the
summer ROCKS and Playground programs. She replaces Jamie Ramacher, who left in
August.
2. NEW BUSINESS
a. Admission Fees at Springbrook Nature Center
Mr. Kirk stated that according to chapter six of the City Code, the Parks and Recreation
Commission shall be authorized to establish charges or fees for the restricted use of any
facility or to make any phase of the recreation program wholly or partially self-sustaining. As
part of the plan to keep Springbrook Nature Center operating in 2004, the City Council has
stated that there should be a user fee for people visiting the nature center park. It would be
helpful if the Commission would determine the level of those fees this evening, so plans can
be in place to institute the new fees on January 1, 2004.
Mr. Kirk stated that the 2004 budget for operating Springbrook Nature Center will rely upon
$31,000 being generated from daily admission fees and season passes. That is a net figure,
so any costs related to raising that amount of revenue will be in addition to the $31,000 target.
There may be costs for some staffing of ticket takers, a ticket building, drop boxes for payment
when staff is not present and even some fencing or gates at certain areas of the park.
Mr. Kirk further stated that the admission fees/passes were discussed by Department staff and
the City Manager at a series of ineetings in September. Staff had looked at the possibility of
charging a certain fee for Fridley residents and a slightly higher fee for non-residents. A
Fridley resident would pay $2 per person, with a$1 fee for children and senior citizens. Non-
residents would pay $3 per person, with a$2 fee for children and senior citizens. This
information was presented to the committee looking at the possible funding levels for
Springbrook Nature Center in 2004. Members of the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation
thought that some alternative fee levels and ticket taking procedures could be looked at and
still generate the same or better revenue dollars to support the operation. Members of the
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Foundation are at the Commission meeting tonight to offer a proposal for charging admission
fees at Springbrook.
Mr. Jeremy Powers, representing the Springbrook Nature Center Foundation, stated that the
proposal being brought forth by the Foundation was not meant to be critical of what the
Recreation Department staff had come up with; rather it was trying to find the best way to
raise the needed revenue. Many of the Foundation members are involved with raising
revenue in their own places of business and worked at coming up with a plan that is not too
far away from what staff had originally proposed. They did not want the Nature Center to be
stuck with paying for high fixed costs on the admissions project, such as a lot of money into a
building used to take tickets. He would ask Siah St. Clair to explain the details of the proposal
that was worked on by Foundation members and staff.
Siah St. Clair stated that the reason for an individual user fee rather than a parking fee (like
those collected at many of the regional nature centers), is that Springbrook has six different
entrances that people use to gain access to the park. More than half of the estimated 150,000
visits to the nature center each year are by people who come into the park through an
entrance other than the main gate. By charging a user fee, rather than a parking fee, we
would hope to generate revenue from all those that were using the park. The Foundation
proposal also looked at ways of keeping the costs of administering the project low. Rather
than putting an additional staff person in a booth out in the parking lot to collect fees, we could
use staff or volunteers at the Interpretive building to handle the selling of fees.
Mr. St. Clair further stated that there are many people who walk Springbrook trails on a
regular basis and there should be some opportunity to buy an annual pass rather than paying
a daily admission fee. There are also those people who only come to the center a couple of
times per year and for those people, a daily admission fee would be more appropriate.
Because Springbrook Nature Center is such a family oriented facility and many of the visitors
don't have a lot of money, the Foundation proposal is for a$2 per individual fee and $3 for a
daily family admission. With this proposal, there would not be a separate or different fee for
non-residents. One of the reasons for the $3 family fee is that is the current per car fee
charged to enter the Coon Rapids Dam Park. Mr. St. Clair stated that he understands that the
fee for a car to enter the Coon Rapids Park next year will be raised to $4.
Mr. St. Clair further stated that the Foundation then looked at how they would best implement
an admissions program at the nature center. Should a person sit in a booth and sell tickets or
was there a better way? In talking with people who have done this at other parks around the
country, it appears that having people purchase and wear (or display) a daily pass sticker was
effective. People could purchase these daily or annual passes at the interpretive building.
Staff would be more multi-purpose if they would issue the passes from the building. They
could help supervise the facility and in the down times, they could help with building
maintenance. This would not be possible if that individual was in a ticket booth in the parking
lot. It may allow us to have the building open more hours than we otherwise could which will
be better for park visitors to see the exhibits and have access to the restroom facilities.
Mr. Powers stated that they recognize there is a part of our population in Fridley that is
underprivileged and may not have the financial resources to visit the nature center when a
user fee is required. We would try to find a corporate sponsor for one day per week, which
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could be a"free" day, when no admission would be required. The sponsor would essentially
be covering the admission for everyone on that particular day.
Mr. Powers further stated that this proposal would also call for annual passes to be sold at
$25 per individual and $40 per family. The Springbrook Nature Center Foundation will be
selling memberships to their "Friends of Springbrook" organization and as part of the
membership they would include an annual pass for admission to Springbrook. The
Foundation would buy the annual passes at full price from the City. Any additional dollars that
came in with the membership dues would also be coming back to the City as part of the
$56,400 donation that the Foundation has committed to for 2004.
Mr. Young stated that as far as the daily passes, he thinks that $3 per family is too low and he
would like to see it raised to $5 per family. The difference in the individual and family daily
fees should be proportionate to the difference in the individual and family annual pass fees.
Mr. Powers suggested that the City consider $4 per family, because that is what Coon Rapids
Dam will be charging per car in 2004.
Mr. Young thought that the $4 per family would be fine. Mr. Young further stated that what the
Minnesota State Parks did this year was to raise the daily fees much higher, so it would
encourage people to buy the annual passes. They hope to generate more revenue with this
approach.
Mr. Young also stated that he would like the City to consider all memberships to be for one
year from the date of purchase, rather than just for a calendar year. If someone does not
purchase an annual pass until September, it would not have the same value if it were only
valid for four more months or until December 31.
Ms. Varichak questioned going from "free" for a family to visit Springbrook now, to a$5
admission fee. She said that she would favor staying with a$3 per family fee. We can look at
increasing it again in the future, but she would like to start at the lower level.
Mr. Kondrick stated that he thought the $5 family fee was too high also. He asked staff if we
could meet the needed revenue numbers with the fee levels suggested by the Foundation.
Mr. St. Clair stated he believes we would make the projected revenue numbers with a daily fee
of $2 per individual and $3 per family. We have based some number projections on 40
individual and 40 family admissions per day in the summer, 30 per day in the spring and fall
and 15 per day in the winter. Even with slightly lower paid admissions, we should be able to
meet the revenue goals.
Mr. Powers said that while not everyone on their committee was in full agreement with the
numbers being proposed, the majority of the group thought they should keep the numbers low
at the beginning. They did not want people to become very upset at high admission fees
being charged and then not return to Springbrook again. They would rather bring in smaller
admission fees and have people return and keep supporting the center. In the long run, if
people see the fees as affordable, they will come to Springbrook and the Foundation believes
the revenue will be higher as a result.
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Mr. Solberg stated that he did not feel the proposed fees were a huge amount and those that
went to Springbrook on a regular basis would have the opportunity to purchase an annual
pass to save money. He thinks that charging fees at Springbrook is something we have to do
given all the cuts that we are seeing in the budget. He would support the fee levels proposed
by the Foundation.
Mr. Powers stated that something else he would like to mention is that instead of charging
non-residents a higher fee, the Foundation would like to suggest that all Fridley residents be
given a coupon which would get them $5 off an annual pass. This would be a benefit to
Fridley residents and may encourage people to purchase an individual or family annual pass.
He would suggest that the pass be "transferable", so someone in Fridley could buy the pass
as a gift for a family member that is a non-resident. Also, the coupons would have an
expiration date of March 31, 2004, which should encourage people to buy the passes early in
the year.
Mr. Kondrick stated that the fees being proposed were good numbers to "start" with. We
could always raise the fees at a future date. He would be in favor of supporting the admission
fee proposal being presented. He thinks the numbers are reasonable, but not too expensive.
MOTION by Ms. Varichak, seconded by Mr. Solberg, to set the 2004 admission fees for
Springbrook Nature Center at $2 per individual and $3 per family. Season passes would be
set at $25 per individual and $40 per family, with Fridley residents being given a$5 off coupon
for the annual passes.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DELARED THE MOTION CARRIED.
b. Facility Rental Fees at Springbrook Nature Center
Mr. Kirk stated that part of the increased revenue for Springbrook Nature Center in 2004
would come from additional rental fees for use of the building facilities. The staff has put
together a recommended rental fee schedule, with the suggested fees as follows:
• Classroom —(Monday through Thursday) .... $160 for up to four hours use; $30 for
each additional hour
• Interpretive Center —(Monday through Thursday) .... $300 for up to 4 hours use; $50
for each additional hour
• Interpretive Center and Picnic Shelter —(Friday through Sunday in the months of April
— October) .... $500 for up to 6 hours use; $50 for each additional hour
• Interpretive Center —(Friday through Sunday in the months of November — March) ....
$400 for up to 6 hours use; $50 for each additional hour
Mr. Kondrick stated that his initial response to the proposed rental fees is that we are too
expensive. Will there be additional staffing costs associated with the rental. Will someone be
there to help the group who rents the building?
Mr. Kirk stated that there would be a part-time staff person hired to work all the hours of the
rental. This has been built into the proposed rental fee.
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MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Ms. Varichak, to approve the staff recommended rental
fee schedule for the Springbrook Nature Center facilities.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED.
c. 2004 Adult Softball League Fees
Mr. Kirk stated that staff has provided the Commission with information on softball league fee
levels for the past five years. We have generally been increasing the fees some each year,
but we try to stay "competitive" with what other neighboring communities are charging for their
leagues. We know there is a need to bring in additional revenue to support the various
recreation programs, so this year's fee increases are a little higher than those in past years.
The staff recommended fees for adult softball are as follows:
• Mens Sunday Leagues -$610 ($30 increase over 2003)
• Mens Monday — Thurs. Leagues -$675 ($35 increase over 2003)
• Womens Fun League (new league) -$370 (this league is co-sponsored with
the City of Blaine and we will have the same fee as Blaine)
• Co-Rec Friday League -$400 (no increase. This league is also co-sponsored
with the City of Blaine and we will have the same fee that Blaine charges)
MOTION by Mr. Solberg, seconded by Mr. Young to approve the staff recommended adult
softball fees for 2004.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED.
d. 2004 Parks and Recreation Commission Meeting Schedule
Mr. Kirk stated that he has a proposed meeting schedule for the Commission for 2004. The
meetings would be on the first Monday of the month at 7:00 p.m., with the exception of the
September meeting, which would be the second Monday. The Commission has not normally
met in July, so that meeting date would be listed as tentative. The meeting dates would be as
follows:
January 5 February 2 March 1 April 5
May 3� June 7 July 12 (tentative) August 2
September 13 October 4 November 1 December 6
MOTION by Mr. Young, seconded by Mr. Solberg to approve the Parks and Recreation
Meeting Schedule for 2004.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED.
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ADJOURNMENT
MOTION by Mr. Solberg, seconded by Ms.Varichak, to adjourn the November 3, 2003 meeting
at 9:35 p. m.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL MEMBERS VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE NOVEMBER 3, 2003 MEETING ADJOURNED.