11/13/1967 - 5873COUNCIL SECRETARY - MARY LU STROM
SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING - AGENDA
NOVEMBER 13, 1967
SPECIAI� PUSLxC H�.1�,.RI�:G ME�TI�TG -- NQVEMEEI2 1.3, 1967 - 8 P.M.
PI�DGE OF ALLEG�ANC�:
INV OCAT I ON •
ROLL CALL•
ADOPTION OF AG�NDA:
PUBL7'C HEARSNGS•
l. REZONING - Commerce Park - Federal. Lumber Company,
2o APPROVAL OF A PRELXMZNA.RY DFVELOPMENT PLP1�I •-
Bourdeaux's Spra.ng Brook Addi�ion,
ADJOUkN•
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. - � OFFICIAL NOTICE
' CITY OF FRIDLEY '
PUBLIC HEA�tING
,' BE�'ORE THE .
! CITY COUNCIL
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_ TO WHGM IT MAY CONCERTT: '
' Notice is hereby given that there will"be a Public Hearing of the
� City Council of the City of Fridley in the C��.y Hall at 6431 University
Avenue N.E. on November l3, 1967 in tfie CounciT Chamber at 8:00 P.M. for
' the purpose oi:
C�n�ideration of a request by Federal Lumber Company (ZOA #67-U9)
' to rezone the iollowing described parcels: �
Alternate l. To rezone Lots 5, 6, and 26, Block 2, Commerce Park
1 ' Ad3ition fro�n C-1 �local business areas� to CR-2
(general business areas�.
, Alterr_ate 2. To rezone Lots 5 throught 8, Lots 25 and 26, Block
2, Commerce Park Addition from CR-2 �general business
areas� to NT-1 �light industri�� areas�.
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All located in Section 11. �
, Gen�rall.y located between Commerce Lane and �niversity Avenue
between 73rd Avenue and Osborne.Road.
, Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be.heard at this uieeting. _
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- _ Jack 0. Kirkham
' " Mayor - -
' Publish: Oc.tober 27, 1,957 .
TTovember 3 , 19�:1
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OFFTCIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUPLIC H�ARII�?G
B�FORE THE
CITY COUI�CIL
TO WHOM IT MAY COI�'CERN:
WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Fridley, Anoka
County, Minnesota, has received a request for appxoval of a Prelim-
inary Development Plan for ihat area now zoned Planned Development
District (PD) and legally described as follo�as:
Block ly Bourdeaux`s Spring Brook Addition, Lots
10, 11 and 12, Block 2, Bourdeaux's Spring Broolc
Addition
Lots 2 through 9 inclusive, Block 2, Bourdeaux's
Spring Brook Addition
Blocic l, Spring Brook Park 2nd Addition
NOW, THEREFORE, notice is hereby given that on the 13th day
of November, 1967, at 8:00 P.M, the City Council will meet in the
City Hall in said City and will at said time and place hear all
parties interested in the development of sai.d property and will receive
testimony and evidence from the petitioners and all other interested
parti.es relative to the proposed P�eliminary Development Plan.
Dated this 2nd da5� of October, 1967, by order of the City
Council of the City of Fridley.
Publish: October 27, 1967
Noti�ember 3, 1967
JACK 0. KIRKHAM
MAYOR
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PL�LrdPdIl�� COi��fiiTSSIOi; TILETING SEYTLAIt3?lh 28, 1967
ROLL CAI,L :
The meetin� �aas call_ed to ordex b5� Chairman flughes at 7:35 P.r1.
riembexs present: Myhra, Jensen, Hughes, Ylinen, Erickson
Others present: Darrel Clark, �ngineering Assistant
APPP.O�'E 1�IIN[TiES OF PI.ANTdII�G C0�1�1ISSION T�ET12vG: SEPTEME3ER 14 1967:
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T�OTIO� b; Erickson, seconded by Yl.inen, that the minutes of the Planni.ng
Commission i°Aeeting of SeptemUex 14, 1907 oe appxoved. Upon a voice vote, all_
voting a5�e, ihe motion caxried t�nan�mously.
RECE7VE NIINUTFS OF BUILDING STAI�?DA1:llS-D; SIGN CONTRO_L SUBCOi�1ITTEE PI�ETINv:
SEPTE��PLF. 6� 1967: T�
NI�TION by Erickson, secondecl by Myhra, that the Pl.anning Coimnissa_on
receivc t1-�e minutes of the �ui.ldi.ng Standards-Design Control SuhcommitLee
meeting of September 6, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
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The Planni.izg Comanission d°cided the order of the Agenda should be:
Items i and 2 as listed, Item 3 to be t.he rezoni.ng xequest (ZOA ��67-10),
and the balance of the a�enda as �aritten.
COPvTINUED PUBLZC H�A.p.ING :_PL�11�'1�ED DEVELOPT�NT DISTRICT, HAROLD SCHROEDER,
7.OA ��60-06) : ^ �
Mr. �Iaxol.cl Schroeder and rlr. Aowarcl Dumphy were pxesent.
Chaiz�aan Hughes statecl the public,hea-ring was still open and was :�e_ld open
£or consideration of a nuniber ef items, including a report from the Building
Standards-Design Contro? Subcommittee.
Member Erickson, referxing to the Building Standaxds-Design Control r,iinute�
of September 19th, said the. Subcoin-�littee's motion was that the Plannin� Comsn�.s-
sion accept the general concept ard desi_gn tcget:her �aith the e�terior treatment
as proposed, but parkin� r.equire��?�nts and setbacks must confoxn to the City
Ordinances . �Ie saicl they noted the setbacl:s sh��aed 30 feet and they should be
35 feet, and an additioral suggest_ion was macie that some overhead nrotect?on,
such as a wal.ki��y_ox tunciel_ ac.cess from the garaQes to th� a�artrnents be con-
�_sidered. These �aer° su�gestiors by a raember, but were not in the_mot.i.on.
Tlie Engineering Assistant said that �ir. Schroeder did revise_the_parkin
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and setbacks,_ reduced_the_conunercial a_r.Fa and incre<1sec1_the_parki_n�__iot �rea.
He saici we met ���iCh rir.. Schr.oeder and found the same error as the Building _
Standards-Desi�n Control. did. 'I`he questi:on of access could not be ar.st,�er�d,
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completely u;�til i_t is kno�an �•rh°?-e, and if, signals are _to oe instaZled. It
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taas su�gE,sted an �dd_�tionaJ_ ?_4 feci. fx�om the _p �i�`,t'ty�_be given so_tl��t: mo�.e
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lares ea�i l�c addecl Lo Easi K�.ve,- Roact and if t1„ s is c�one, whetl�er o�,_no<< _1 t
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be iio pzol�lc,n.
M-r. Sch�:oede;- s�.icl he ps-ePa1_ed an �c�dendur,l to tlie p7-evi.oi.is xepoxt.. At t}i�
mc�tin� �eith TiJ . Qureshi., City En.�ineer, r1r. �elisle, 13t�.ilclino Inspector, ancl
Dara:el. Clarlc; sorn� of_ t�ie problems taere -revie��,: d. 33asi..cally these ha1�e been
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resuhnittYec� �aith tli�.s dxa�,r�_n". On i:h.e co«�i�eic�_al azea ���e have subscribec to
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the 2`�i faoi= setback froin i.11c pxo��,.,:iy li�ic to i:i�c ed�e of ti�e prope! �y 1>>zes.
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irle havc rec�uced the amouni of total floei- area in tli^ shol>pina ceL�ter axea
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Yatl�es tli�n i.����ng tu 7nfx7n&e more til�or_ the c�_cek propezi:y. P1x. Scl�x-oeder
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Ilit�ma.nai�ions St�Z�zda��ds fo-r. E�teri.or Spaces, Si�ns; Proceclure fox Estal�lisliill�
Strc�eC �ccess and. F�-ress to t.he Sho�pii��; Cei?i.e:�., and i:o the Apa.rtment Co�zlplex,
Pr.ocedure for I�si�ablis�iirc� the D�si�n of Txuck Lo; di.�g azid Ln7.oadi.s�g ArE�as iiz
the Co�r�me-r.cial Centcr. He sa-�.d to note t�:at. the gara�es have been iuoved bacic
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to 35 f_cei: �rom fil�c �?�_or�eJ ty _J iiic ai _F < si F�.ve} P.oact He sa�_d tha_f i.i they
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axe about 515 squ�-re feet shori oL- ihe 2_,50C� squar_e �oot per unit. He felt
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that thzs m� tlii: be �usi.ifa c�d o�i the basis that t}�cy _h��ve 25 foot sei.bacic froni
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_the ed�c of the p�_,: t:i.zg..lo �. Hc sa�d tliey . coizior�n ir �.11 _otnn �_ res�ects,,
In ans;�rer to Chai.xnan �Iuohes aslcinp if the Fz�bi��eeri?zg De�azinle�zt_ hacl
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, cliecicecl all the mate7-ial submi_tted fo�� thE Pl���uzed Develop�nent of Sprin�Uroolc
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._Yark,_ Dar-r.eJ _Cl.arlc sa�a it had b�en done.
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riember Jensen «sked if suL-sus � ace di'ai.na�e ��ras coi�side:red to pick up tLe
watex in pax?.7_ng lot areas ��hi.ch i.s =,ii�e�_e you �•:ot?l.d t?4ve the mosi. i_nte.nse run
off. r1x. Schr.o�der_ said. they felt tiiey cattld rely solely on sul-iace drai=_ia�e,
havi.i�U t.lie ru7loif pror�er_ty n��inCai.nec': i.o pxeven� e.rosion. If thai: does no�
apgear to bc acleqt2a�e, some so?-� of tr��de�-�rot�nd systei:� couJ_d be devised. Sto��r�
sewer.s are not deep enough to �ceep cp�n i.�� ilie taintex. �Ie acided that h� thou�'r:_
as Aarr_eJ. menti.onecl, they do have the best ogportuz�i.ty for handling stonn �oater
because t.hey have acljacent stxeci:s za��er� the-r.F: a�-e storm se���exs aiid t.he cxee'r..
Chai.�-mzn Hughes meiztioi�ed the f:aci: that thc road frar.l th2 2par.tmeilts to tYie
pax�:i.r?g l.oi:s on the Southe�si coxnex is rai.: eu considexal�ly above L-'ne �aa"��e
ar.ea whicn could present a water problem.
Mcrnbe;- P%I;hxa said h� had receni.7_y driven thxough an �parirnent cornp7_�� ar:c?
was amazecl at the number of young cliil.dxen, and ne �.sked :4r. Schroeder wiier�
he had pl_�nned the play area.
e_Mr._5_clir�e.dcr, said they__plaz�ned a_contxolled area tiaith st�immiTi�; poo1,
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and �,iiiet.}�ex i_t ��:as e�zcloscd or open, i_t. tJ�.t7_d be piotected according to la�•�.
Meinbex JenseT.: said that s�menof7 he. seemed ta zecall the. pool :aas_paxt o,`_
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the packa�e in the_b_eoinn�n�;. Zfr. Schxoect, •=_sai.d it ��as p�rt of t��e rn�st:er
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Schrocder saz.0 tha� i.f the ri<_.nnin� Com:n�_s�i.or� ��ould like, he �•rouJ_d be iiappy -
to accent an approval of: the Planned 1)evelopmer.t Plai� at this phase ���ith the
provi_si.on tl�at t:lie final deLerrni.naL�.oil of tne recreation facilir.i.es ���oul.cl be
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acceptable to the Plai�ninb Coi�liiu_ssioii alid Isn�;ineel'�.ng Depa,'t:nie._ii .
Ch�ir.man IIu�}ies s�:i.ci a_t, �•�ould be dcsi il:i.e i.o h�ve a m1.�iatnuin aLC�a_i��',
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te7.1 �ZOw taha.t ba.s� c facz] � t�e� a� e to bc. �n� t�I1ec'
Thexe wexe no o� je.ctic�iis to tl,at by iir. Schroedex. The Cxeel:, obviously,
is one axea, apaxtincnt buildings a;zoi'.hex, paxkin; ].ot and gaxage another., ancl
they taruJ_d accept t_1ie balance of the a'rea fox xec�eational facilit.i_es.
Chairrna�:l �Iughes aslced if i�i-r. Schxo.dei, thought tlie approacli sp�cif}�i.r.g
a m�_nimar�i a-rea in rese�ve acco���p13.::11es t.h�.s?
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he hoped they wer.e aimi�.lg at a lit�t.le highcar -rental ma�_kei:.
Mr. Seliroedea- saicl t��ey hopecl for pxo�essianal people.
MemUex rSyhr_a said he could see ri� . Sch;'oeder's problem, but. he �vondered
if th�.r.e tvexe som° standarcl for a rec�eation ar.ea coa�ne?1sLi:cate wit.h the needs
of th: peopl.e. •
rir. Schxoeder ai�s�oexecl, �aith the kincl oi money that i_s going to be investe-_
they are obvi_ousl.y going to do �ahatevex is necessaxy to ir_duc� people to reni.
apaxtments. Member T�Shxa felt the a.ecreational axea shoulcl bc i��corpo��ted i�.
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tiTas �c�eal. Cha�.a-n;axz Hu h�s asked if it would be feasible to t� ce e nlos .
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and toddlex yar.cl ��ill be prozj�_c1ed,
Mernbex Erickson said he �aas not at al]_ interestect isi holdil.ig P�Zr. Schxoedc�.c
to a st��irnming pool. He though� if it wexe essential. to renter.s or the con.p7.e�,
it wi.11 be put in. °
Ch�irman Hughes said it would be bette�' to liave sorl^ dt�; inite_.m2�?tioiz__oi.
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compl � ance h� s been mct �n tn ancl the wi 11 lovl thc,u ht: t �e p_2n -or �`-
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�uid<nce.� H� ag-re�.d the Pl.annii�� ConL�nisslon has n� business tell.�.i�� people
��l:etl�e�� they sho�!l.d have a pool. or. not., but as long as it. �t�as a potenti.al
facil.ity at this time, menY_i_on should be r��ade oi it.
I1r. S�hroeder said that i.�1 the fLttLi1C� ii they do want to bui_ld tiie pool,
then they �•:ou7_d �.s�: the Planning Co.n;�:ission f.ot approval. '1'o elimi.nate tne
pool. fxom the plai� as sho�,rn �•��t�lcl solve mo-r.e problems .
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rZernbe?' r.ytir« asl:ed that tf�e� P1<�iined Devel.opmei?.t i_s co:�ipl.et.eci, �ahat tia.ppen�
' tiiat it. i_s trE_aLed l.i.?:e any or�ter C9.ty pr.opert.;�,
Chai����an �Iu�l:cs an��:�e�cc�
but tlie plan coizti.nues -- �does not die. In thi:: p�r.ti.c��lar. ci.r.cumstance, the.
petit:ioner �•701tIC1 COi1lE..' U� Si7C� IeC:C1Ve �l t)Li11.C1i.1"1G, 1,��1"f�l.t. iilYOU��l TCj.11?2� C11u:"111C1.`:
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� �Chai�-man �Iuglics rec17_led that T1i . Schrocdcx� i�icntioi�ed at the last niceting
t}��� �}le in.i-e�ii ��ts i.o pa'ovide a bricigc� ic.ros� tlie exeel t�ch�nd;_tlie__conut�;ccial,
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area, ancl also meni:.ionecl some typt of aec.ess on the otlicr sicte out__t�__�'.ut}�
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N1�-. Scl-�xoedex sai_d thc lot co�zcerr�ed tai.tt� the bridge is a rathcx short
lot, a�ot: buildable but:. ii: ��Tou].d be i.n t.he best use �ox �ccess to t:he prope��ty.
`l'Iic�y p1���i�1ed io lccep tl?.: o�:�ne�:sh �_p, bui i..f t.he Ci.ty _ever_��laiits it ancl �,7oul.cl
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mai_nta��z i t, they ��aould co�zsidei _ deedi�lg ii _ovcx:
Membe�- Jens��L said, spea�:�.�.i� o� t}�e ].ot, f.hai. i.t �aou].d �-en�ain eri�i�_ely a
private paa:cel, no easements ar,.0 tlie develoget �aould have control over the
use of_ it and n�ai.nt:ai_,� it, as i.t �aot�ld be encompassecl ��rithin tl�e boundaries
of the p1a�.1.
M-r.. DumphS� ideaii.if9_ed. i:he 7.ot as bei.n� Loi� �f, and ihat i_f �ainuont: Circ7.e
tiaexe to be vacated, ttiis request t•,ould be maae i_n the usual maxzner.
Chaa.x�man IItzghes sa:i.cl it ma.ght be dc.si.rable froin tlie o��rners' poi_nt af
vi_e�a to have tlie pxopexty all orie zone. Access onto �:uth Stxeet is also__,
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riernber Ex�icl:so�.l askecl if i_t is the i�itert to have one free st�ndiiig si.gn,
��aou�d it: be ac�visable thai: ther_e axe no othex si.�ns and ��here shoulcl tlie si_gn
be set.
Mr. Schxoede� saicl a t.empo�-axy sign ��aould be execi:ed ior the Project ar_d
there woul_cl be othex si_g;»s to a.uentiiy tlie apai-t-�nent c�mplex r_otiLyi_7-�� thc
public t.hat f:he apartmcnts are for_ r.ent.
Nix. 1?umphy sa�_d thai. ii" �•ae liave any iclenti.fyiilg signs as fax as tl�e
apartment coz�i�lc� is conce?-ned, we should a-r_range it so fi.he si.gns axe back
fax enough of:f Libe�:i�y Sti�eet so as not to be i.,� coizfli_ct with traffi_c, shouJ_ct
be vi_sible fxoin E�st Ri.ve-r Road, and the sign be taor.ked i_nto a bxick pl.anter
c'1.7"t 2.17b E'.1?1G?1 L .
Chai_,��?an �Iu�hes st.atecl the ent;�ance r.oad o:cf Liberty Sfireei: u�i11 be fo-r
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Tt �aas ment7ozied that the �i_gns ���ould obey__tlie_ sign ordinanc�,
In spealcing o� i.l7.uminatiozi stanclards fox exter.i.or spaces, I�r. Schroedex
said t��at one half foot c�ndle <<Tould onJ.y allo�a a person to see ��here he was
goi.ng but i.t sti7_1 t��ould perr�:i.t pcople to stumble and cr.eate shactot•-s. Tcao foo�.
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Membex Jen: en taonde�-ed i�= the possibil.ity of a si�n bei_n� erected on a
bu�_lclin� and p-ro�.rudi.nG ab��-e. the tiaall �•:<=�s intent?.onally left. out.
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to a landl n_-d. T�,'Fiai are �.r�e st�_,1c1-1; cls a lanc�loxd �roulct u.,e? -!1- s�-�,t----.i_eh
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covered ihe en�i.i�e f�:on�t surface � f a sto��e ��ou1d not b4. acccptable, os- bt!il.t-.
on t�ic i �ont sii�iac�� bt�.t c tc��,� ls ;G ��c'� �b� �c +1 � structu�c �»�!lc� iiot b� vc"-;'
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•the�-e any othe�- type ���e s�ioul d t��.l_l; aboul?
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P5a-. Scl�roedc �: sai_u th� l� ndlo�_u t�ou1 d con�rol tl�e ty���e o� si�n put up,
bitt i.f i.lie tez�a�it t����n�:s a 7 l�ge si.lc '�,n. _i=hc 7.a�ldl.oi-.d carz s��y "no",
Ch.<-:i.iinan Iiughes t��onclel�ed if �hey coul.d layoui. some per.ceniage� the landlo;�c
COLl�_C� L1S-^.. `.LLI:' i'I:,'YSOTI [dj10 1_S �CclSl_ll� t:l)� ��i'L.i;1:LSE'.S c1]_�•7�y$ �Jc�Tli.S c'! 1�:C�'f' SI-�ill.
M:r. Sel���occi:�;i= said. a.i. geLs t:o t.l�e poi_z�i t�rhere r_e1�ly tl�e lancllord is the
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p-'. n �al�o tti�ouJ.d have the ieacc�i: amo�,.>>t to lose to pe�°mi.t a sign t•�iiich is
not in gooci L-�st:e tai.t.h e:i.tlier hi.ius�J.i oa- t:1�e oL-�ier te,�.ants. Tiost of the
slioppi�ig cenf-el-s are ez`-r.cis�.�ia tl1:i_s kiizd oi co:�Lrol. .
.l}�c- P7��z�J_)10 CO?�r�lg$jpll fe1L 011�}T Oi1C �C7:IlitTieil� S1Tlble frec. stc.11C�i.11? S7.�T1
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m�ty bc elected a,z tl�e d1st, ici: ad �ac�nt. to L�.si �'i.ve� noad to zc?cntiry tl�e
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C�111YfT!.;n Ht.tgli.�s saz.d the �l.aiinin� Conuuissi.on �aa.s qui.te caell sat�.sf_ied on
the bas5_s of the specific peopl.e caith ���hom they cxe deala.ng.
r1r.. Schro�cte�_ sa�..ci t:iiey �.��,ul.d b� happy to incl.ude ���hat.e-ve+1- per��,z��,�� t11e
Plar�?lit�� Con��r;ission �,�oul.ci �.��,zif:. ' .
r:e�al�er Jense�i askeci, as this co,n�s up for fi.nal. develo�:u,eiz� a�;pJ,oval, t���.11
you have sa;ne Ieases? rt,�, Schr_oecier said the more pernlane�;.t: tenants probalil�r
would be secui-ed by l.ease..
MO`�'ION by i�:ylixa, secor_ded by Yl;ncn, thai the Publ.ic �Ieari.n� oi i.he
Plar�nec' D�velop„ient Disf.-ri.ct-, �Iax'old Scti�oeder (ZO[� ��66•-06} bn-_ closecl. Upo�
a voice vote, 2.1.1 vot.ir.� aye, the mot:i.on cax: r�:ied ur�animously.
MO1TOlV by 71:� �ckso.z, secollc?.ed b}y Jcns�n, f.hat t:he P1ani�inU Con�miss�_on
_xecouxin,� zc1 1 o Coun� i7_ a�?�,-ova1 of the P� annecl De�=e7.opm�.nt Di_strl ct of Spr_ i_n�*U-r.00:-.
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M.r, 6ti�erne?-, rep-resenti_ng r1.r. D�Guzcin2r, J�1a-s. Vio1�, Joh�ison and Ja�n�s P.ilE;;
at..toxney, �aas preseni. an� aI so �-Zr_ , lleGard��e;-,
Air, t-?ern�r. gave a short resurne of the p;.�bl�ms xel.2tin� to the requested
l�t split� sayinc; tliey found s��v�ia� titl_.e defc���, ancl tl�e mat:te�- of t;_tl.e.
opini..ii �.�as subject to tti=hat a::u�:ve}= ���ould di_sclose. It becarae appa.;-ent it
woulcl b� nece�"ary to toi�-e7.s ��11 of i.tie pr.•opei_ty b�ca�_ise of the pl-oble<<��. �,
tOlTE'_T15 �2l`.j_�1.011 FIdS llll_Ll.cl�:�'.CI lI2 �ii1C>>�c'i �.'OLil?t:y 8i1C� c C�!C'_C7'�'E'_ 1SSLiuC� O11 �'E'.�?'U8.Y�7 �
1967 at 1.0:2_3 A.P�i. and si.�ncd by ti�]i_].i i.am T. 3o1�i1son, D�.strict Juclge. Th�.s �•�as
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I'E.'c"il �'Sic LE i�^,.^.?�.� S�:G�i�^.C! Ofj' [:'itc t t}1Cy t:llOi.t��ili- ��;�.5 i=1lr E.1iCi'O<;C�11i1�i1L` �i1Ci C�;:1C:
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the �:ounty ;��, s a�l:cd to spl�.t. a.ssese:,:eni�s �ncl had �o get: a lot split apt�roval,
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Chaixri�tn �Iughes i_nfoi-ined the auda.ence that this matter �,�ill be be�oxe
the Ci.ty Coui�c:il on iIonlay, Sep�entber. ls, 1967 and acLed upon on Ociobex 2,
1967.
PUI�LIC H}s�J:I�?G : PLAT1i1r1� DT'���LOPiSrNT DISTh7CT, H�li'�OLD SGI-IIZOIsDER (IOA ��66-1G `� :
Springb�_oolc Park properiy develop�lleni.'i `
Chaxz�nan Hu�hes explained t�iat this was fihe first public hearing foz
a Plannecl Development Dist�-ict axid the Planning Conunission had no prece-
dent to go by, but �aould do their best. �Ie said, that i.n the past, the
Conmussion i'ixst listens to the petiti_orzer, then will pzovide a tiine for
the Coimiu.ss; on a,zd opeli the meeti�l� to the public.
rir. Scliroeder said, in preface, they starteci out with tt�e property
all zoned kZ••1 and part c.oiT;mercial. The o�,rner �vantecl to see ii something
could be done to benefit- the px�ope�-ty and general are�� of the neighborhood.
To start out, the Pla�?.ri,Ag Commissi.on �aas amendable to P,D. Developnlent
which gives the landowner the pcssibili.Ly of_ developing the proper.ty ott�er
than what it is zoned for, bui: a plaiz has to be follo,ved. They did get the
propexty rezoned to P.Do District and since then have had a couple of ineet-
ings with the Plannzng Commission. They pIan to develop the commerci_al
zoned property as it exists and tr.y to dcvelap.multi.ple residenis, Single
fanu_ly xesfdents dicl not wor�; in the past. rir, Schroed�r gave out a booklet
on the pr_elimina-ry developmeiit plan, and used it for an outline of his
presentation. He also had an ovexall ���ater.color of the area sho�aing the
shopping center, bri_dbes over the cr.eelc, multiple dwellii�gs, landscaping,
lighting, pr.oposed e�its and gaxagcs, Tir. Schroeder said the pur.pose of
the preli.minar.y plan preseiitation is to sho�•J the kind of pl_an they are
proposing. I� this is agreeable,.we t��iil go into more detailecl studies and
work witli the City on the final per.forn�ances of building guides and com-
pliance t,Tith ordiz�ances.
Membex Jeiisen refer.red to the Plats & Subdi.visions-Stxeets & Util.ities
mii�utes of August 3I, 1967 which the Planning COIT1IR15Sj.017 received at thi_s
meeting ancl said fox some reason, there has been a decr.ease in traffic on
East Fi.vex Road. The previous count was 5,000 and in April of this yea-r,
4,000. The projected count in 1985 fxom the Mi_nnesota Highway Department
is 10,000 vehicles a day, Prior to knoz,ring this information, Mr.. Schroeder
brought E. Eather, a consulting engineer. in the traffic field to one of the
Subcomnli.ttee meeti.ngs and discussed the proposal for a single entrance
cc�ming into the co�nerc?a1 area, One of the most importar_t points by
Mr. Bather was i,�hat can be anticipated in a shopping center of this si.ze.
He indicatecl a certain volume, but in vi_e�e of hi_s projected fi�ure for
traffic to and from cor�unercial area, we questioned him on what he thought
the East River Foad could reacl� before �•�e had a serious traffic hazarct and
he said, at that time, he c��ould not like to see it reach above 10,000 a day.
Ho�aevex, since that time �ae have had to change the pl_an and introduce a
secoiid entrance on East Fivex Road, The result of the Subcommittee meetinG
was recor.-�mendin� approval based on traffic considerations. Member t,yhra
asked i.f provi.sions ���ere made for a semap��or.e in the stu.cly of the traffic
in ttie area. Member Jensen ans���ered that the fact that ���e have a State Aid
xoad approxi.mately 4 mile Nortti and South a State Aid roacl plaz.ned, that
the alterna�e resul.ts of a major State Aid road East and West c.cnnectin�
High�,�ay ��47 �aith East P,i.ver P.oad woul.d be si�nalization of one or both
intersections which would have the effect of bunchi.ng traffic and allo:ain�
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ope�ii.ngs wit�z propex desi.�n �f this i_nLcrseciio,z. Oiie ol tlie poiiit.s made
' by the ir_af�ic engince� �•aas tlie necessity for r.i_�l�.t: and left turn lanes
in conjuncti.on �ai.t=li uiajor entrance to co.i<<nexcial areas.
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�f: f.his point, Chaiz7iia�� �Iu;hes stated one formali.ty Yiad been overloo,;e;
that o:C xeadi_ng the Notice o� Pub1i_c lieaxing,
' The Noiice of Public Heaxin� fox the Plannccl D�velogment District
(�a� �'r66-•].6) taas reacl by tlze Chairman.
The Coirulii_ssion quicicly tiaent over the P.D. Ordi.nance (Or�l. ��349) check-
' ing tlie subseci�i.ons ti,»_tli rir. Schr.oede� aiid tl�ey ag-reeci that a lot more ���or'.
had to be done on t:he pxeli�.ninary plans by i_he Commi_ssion and the Engineet-
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Member Jensen wislied to ezpxess tiis o�znion si:ating, inasmuch as the
Enginee�-in� Aepariment and Assi_stant has not had a chance to review this
plan in some detail., he didn't tiii�zk the Conunission was in a posi_tion
tonight to make a ciecision. He thought that. a number of relatively impor-
tant d.ei_ail.s �ahi.ch they wer_e unable to ascertain should be stud.ied. Fur-
thex�nore, he di.d not thinlc they have i�.me this evei�ing, as a group, to
determine many of these dei.ai_ls such as par�k, f_i.re, space and otl�e-r a-reas
in the ordinance. He made a xeconnnendation that the Ccnunission�table the
matie-r_ for the purpose of all.otaing the rngine'er_s to tho�-oughly e�.an�ine th2
plans and mal;e a deie_rmin�tic>n as io the accuxacies of some of the featttxe=_
and also to compute various axeas a.�icl r.egions so that we can have a clouble
check on rlr. Schxoeder's work. 1'his �.s a veJ-;� impor�ant development in
the p7-ocess of builcli�zg, ancl c.e-rtai_nIy one that we are al1 very ii�texested
in-�-mernbexs of the Planninb Corrnni.ssior�, owners and architects-= and he fel�
the plan deser_ves every bit of stucly and�attention we can give to it.
Chaixman Hughes said that he agxeed because already they have co�ne
across a numtier of tha_�lgs that Mr. Schxoedex i.s going to be addi�ig to the
plans. In the normal course of events, we ti,�ould automati.cally refer this
to the Buildi.nU St�nclards-Design Cont-r.ol.
It was ct�cided to set up a m�eting tai.th M-r. Bather, the Engi_neerin�
, Assistant and Mr. Schroeder to woxk closel� c��ith Darrel Clark maki.ng any
modi.f�.clti.on to confarm with any non-•confor.mance that might exist. The
$uilding Standards-Desi.gn Conf:rol.��i11 meet on Tuesday, September 19th,
' and will consider the p-relimi.naxy plans of the Springbrook Park Develop-
ment, r1r. Schroedex stated he would leave a11 the material he had presente_
this evening.
Mrs. Kenneth Sporre, 301 Ironton Aventie: "I am just �•�onderin� if the
Railroad Cornpany really axe going to put i.n 83ra Avenue. Where ��ill 83rci
Avenue go in? In the back of our. lot there is a 25 foot dxop. Ldill thi.s
affect this devel.opment?" rlrs. Spoore`s lot abuts Coon Rlpids and the
Rail.road Compan}r had excavated their proper.ty in the xear of Mrs. Spoore's
lot l.eaving a"lake". Nlembex Jensen said �ie could not comment, but did
not thi.nlc they need to assume b3r.d cvould never happen be.cause the disLri.ct
is i.ndustrial and truck traffic gener.ated by industri.al would require a
road.
In re�ard to the shoppinb cente.r buil.ding, rlr. Schxoeder saicl that
cert-ain ten�:ints have tlleir. o�ar_ rest.xi.cti.ve requirer�tents as far as � tt:ei.r
tenants are concer_ned, and wtren�we do get to ttiat point, we will ha�e to
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resubmit thc� slioppin� center. Zhis i.s �ahy T did not feel I should give yo._
a ge�lea�al concept at this t5.me.. �
Chair.inazi Hughes sug�ested the folloz,�ling la.st of crii.eria to follow
i1i the siud.y of tlie or.dinarice:
Reviet�� by Bui]_da.�1g Standa_rcts-Design Control Subcon�mitt.ee on
Tuesd.ay, Septembex 19th.
riention �ixed standa�-ds fox aclvertisinU si_gns and lighting
Plalzs ior location vehicle access and design
See Enginee�-i.ng D.pai_i:me�7t for revi.e�vi_ng pl�.ns for llelping to
dei:e�-�ni_ne 17ehicl.e access.
Possi.bi_liL-y of ineci�ing with r1z < Bathex
Revie��� pa.rkin�
En�i�leer:ing ret�iet�� tigur.es and dra���i�lgs fo�- accuxacy
Enginee-r to check o-rclinance as it: cal.ls out requir_ernent_s for.
prelimina`ry plan a�zd go do:,rn i:he l;_ne a�id check
Engilieer.i.ng to gi.ve and inclicate to us any probler?is they can
see fr_om Engineer_ing point of vieta
Engi��eer to loolc at pl.an �_n order t.o minimize any delay of
peti.�i.o;�er azld notify him of any di.scr.epancy.
I�eave public hcar.;ng open to givc oppor.twzi_ty i:o the pttbli_c fo'r
pax �:i.ci_pai.:i.on if des ired . •
� Plan to deternni_ne location, extent of screen for truck loaai.ig
Mr. Sehro�der saicl they unde�:stancl thai�, if they ctid deviate, they
would come bacic j�ith anotIicr_ heaxi.;ig.
MOT.i�O�� by Ericl:son, seconded by Myhxa, that the Plan�zing Commissi.on
table the Public Hear7_ng, P.D, llevelopment Dist�-ict, fIaroJ.d Schxoeder
(L0� ;��66-I6) until Sept:embcx 2B, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all votii:g
aye, the moti_on carra_ed unanimously.
ADJOUP.;�I�II�NT :
MOTION b� Erickson, seconded by Ylirien, that the Planni_ng Co�nission
meeting adjouxn at 10:45 P,ri. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion ca-r.ri_ed unani.mously.
Fespectfully submi.tted,
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The meetin� was called to order at 7:34 P.I�1, by Chairman Hughes.
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Members present: Myhra, Je�lsen, Hughes, Ylinen
Member absent: Erickson
Others present: Acting City rlanager Brunsell, City Attorney Herrick,
Engineering Assistant Clark
APPROVE MINUTES OF PLAiViVING C0�1�'iIISSIOiV MEETING: JULY 27, 1967:
MOlION by Ylinen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Commission
minutes of July 27, 1967 be approved. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, the motion carried.
RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINIJ1rS: JULY 26, 1967: °
MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jenseri, that the n�i_nutes of the Board
of Appeals meeting of July 26, 1967 be receiv�d. Upon a voice vote,
all votin� aye, the moti_on carried.
RECEIVE MI��JTES OF PLATS & SiJBDl'VISIONS-STREETS & UTtLITIES SURCOI�I�IITTEE
M"r,ETI�dG: �UGUST 3, 1967:
MOTT��Z by Jensen, .seconded Uy Tlytlra, that the Planning Conunission
receive the minutes of the Plats�& Subdivisions-St-reets & Utilities 5ub-
committee meeti_n� of Augtist 3, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried.
ORDER OF AGENDA:
It was decided that Items 2, 3, and 4 should be discussed in that
order and Items 1 and 5 at the end of the evening.
1. CONTI�,'UED PLANNED DLVELOPMEi�T DISTRICT, ZOA ��66-16, HAROI.D SCHROED�R: •
Bourdeaux�s Sprino Broolc Park A;ldition. Problem of access from East River
Road. Set public hearing date for September 14, 1967.
Chairnlan I�ughes said that �,�hen this request was before the Planning
Commission on Ju1y 27,_ 1967, questions �aere raised concerning traffic.
This �,:as t-hen turiled over to Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities '
Su'oconunittee. They consi_dered the traffic problem at the August 3, 1907
meeting and continued tlie study L-o tlie meeting on August 31st.
Mr. 0. Reuben Johnson, representin� Buet:ow & Associates,.and Howard
Dumphy �,Tere present.
1'tle F.n�;ineering Assistant Clark informed the Commi.ssion that he had
called the State High�•�ay Department for additioual inf_ormation and they
told hir� they wer.e swamped and it �aould be t�ao or three weeks before tney
could get the infol7nation for us. The County Iiighway Department said
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in 1964, by actual. count, there were 6,000 vehicles a day on East River
Road, and the projected figure for 1985 was 5,000 vehicles. Ttie 1964
figures were taken before rerouting of High��ay ��10 to University Avenue,
and another reason for the reduction in traffic was neiv cross roads.
Mr. Johnson hoped that the Subcommittee could present their final
report on the effect of traffic as it relates to their property and the
development as a whole at the August 31st meeting inasmuch as the ti.me
element is important. He requested that the Public Hearing be scheduled
for Septeniber 14, 1967, which was consistent with the presentation made
at the July 27th Planning Commission meeting. He also suggested that
whatever pressuxe could be brought upon the State Highway Departmer.t
for their traffic information would be appreciated.
MOTION by Ylinen, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Coranissi.on
set a public hearing on September 14, 1967 for ZOA ��b6-16, at 5:00 P,M.,
Harold Schroeder for a Planned Development District of Block 1 and
Lots 10 through 12, Block 2, Bourdeaux`s Spring Br.00k Park Additi.on,
Lots 2 through 9, Block 2, Bourdeaux's Spr.ing Brook Park Addition aiid
Block 1, Spring Brook Park 2nd Addition. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, the motion carried.
Engineering Assistant Clark asked that it be noted if the plan is
adopted, it would necessitate vacations, although this would be included
in the plans. '
REZO�tING'REQUEST: ZOA ��67-08, DALBERG R�ALTY' FOR THOr1AS BRTcK�'V};R; Part
of Lot 6, Reviseci Auditor's Subdivision No. 10, rezoning from R-2 to R-3.
Mr. Arne Folstad, representing Dalberg Realty Company and Mr. Th�mas
Brickner, the applicant, were present.
Inasmuch as it has been the practice in the past to suggest to the
petitioner of R-3 zoning that he request R-3A, which pei-r�iits only multiple
dwellings, Mr. Bricicner was asked if it would be agreeable with nim to
do so in this case. He answered that it would be all right.
Mr. Brickner had plans of the type of buildings proposed, two bedroom
units and one story in the back. �He stated the existing house on the
land will be removed. Mr. Brickner requested a public hearing for
September 14, 1967. �
MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the Plannin�, Commission
set a public hearing date of September 24, 1967 at 7:30 P.M, for the re-
zoning request, ZOA r67-08, Dalberg Realty for Thomas Brickner, for �art
of Lot 6, Revised Auditor's Subdivision No. 10 to rezone from R-2 (limited
multiple family d�•Tellings) to R-3A (r.iultiple family d�aellings only). tJpon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried.
City Attorney Herrick en�ered at 8:00 o'clock.
3. REZONI\TG REQUEST: ZOA ;�67-09, FEDFREIL LITf�iBER COi�1PA�i�' fiY S��I F,OSF\TBAUI�i,
TREASUP.ER: Lots 5 thru 8, Lots 25 and 2.6, Block 2, Con�.�ierce Park Additior..
Rezone to CR-2 or M-l.
Mr. Sam Rosenbaum and Mr. Louis Segal �aere present. Mr. P.osenbaum
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R�be.rl IIu�;lies, Ch�iirman ot Parks and Recreation COI11Ii11SSloi,, as1:eG
that: thc Subconnnit�.ee at least think abou� the park neeci ior this area.
Paul Bro�vn has been aslceci to eapress the needs for this area and leave
the inforivat=ioi, t,;ith t.he EnGinceri��� Assistant. Clarlc.
ACCESS TO I'LANl�'1,D DEVELOPi�lENT DTSTP�7CT "LOA ��5G-16 Har.old Schr.ced�rl •
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Mr. Schroeder briefly explained the proposed deve].opulent of the
P.D. district in Fai.z-�nont: ancl �ast fiiver Road area. Hn introduced rlr.
Ed C. Bather, a traffic engineer from St. Paul.
Mr. Batl�er_ then gave a report on traffic counts and recoirn�lendations
that he ���ould ma;ce, His report indicated that the peak traf�ic flo�o
would be 240 trips during the hours of 5:00 to 6:00 P,ri. USi1?o
fi.guxe, he stated that it �,�as his opinion that this amount of traf�ic
would not have any adverse effect on the pre:;ent traffic flows on East
River Ro<id. He stated, that �aith proper left and right t:tr.n l.:.ne�,
decelerai.ion and acceler.ation lanes,'traffic signals �•�ould not: b� a
necessity.
There were some questions as to tne nee�l for sigr.als and i•1r. I1u;nppiy
stat-ecl he t:hought the shopping center would ��arcicipate to�vards th� cost
of a signal.
' The Subconunittee members expressed tneir appx•ova,. of the use a.id
aesihetics'of the buildin� plan and felt tnat a11 p�ans and futu.re traffic
movement d�,ta sliould be collect�d anci revie�aed �o that as many of the
traffic r.isks as possible could be eliminated. The Subcon-an�ttee contin;_ied
' further action on this sui�ject until Audust 31, 1967,
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Ther.e being no further business, the meeting adjourned at 1p•?0 p,yl.
" ,Respectful?y'� bmitced, .
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Darrel Clark
Actir.g Secretary