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12/09/1968 - 00019804� � � THE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 Mayor Kirkham called Lhe Special Public Hearing Meeting of December 9, 1968 to order at 8:04 p.M. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Mayor Kirkham requested the audience to stand and join the Council in saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the F1ag. ROLL CALL: MEMBERS PRESr3�7T: MEI+IBE:RS ABSENT: ADOPTION OF AGENDA: Liebl, Samuelson,F:irkham, Harris (arrived at 8:10 P.M.) Sheridan Mayor Y.irkham said that -chere is an additional communicatiun to be added from Mr. and Mx�s. Harold Ohlson, 376 66th Avenue N.E. MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to adopt the Agenda as amended. Seconded by Councilman Liebl. Upon a voice voL-e, a11 voting aye, Mavor Kirkham declared the motion carried. PUBLIC HEARING: STREET IMPROVEMENT �ROJEC�i' ST. 1969-1: Mayor KiTkham read the Public Hearing notice to the audience. �i'he City Engineer explained that most of these streets have been petitioned for, with the exception of 62nd L7ay and Third Streec which was added by the Administration because of the very poor condition of these streets. Jefferson Street: 67th Avenue to 680 Feel: North The City Engineer said that this is a swale street now. He said that the proposal is to improve this sL-reet i:o join the section to the north, which has already been improved. Mayor Kirkham called for a response £or or against L-his improvemenc from the audience. There was no response. Washington Street: 67th Avenue to SUO Feet North to 68th Ave, The City Engineer said that the same sii.uaLion exists here and that this street has been petitioned Por. This wall also ,7oin the improved section to the nc� th. Mayor Ka.rkham called for comments from the audience, �*Y'EGIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 (COUNCILMAN HARRIS ARRIVLD AT 8:10 P.M.) PAGE 2 Mr. Charles Berget, 6855 Washa.ngton Street N.E. asked how far rhe improvemenL- would go. Mayor Kirkham explained to him that it will go only to the existing blacktopping and curbing, and that he was included in che mailing list as they would rather include too many than leave someone aut. The City Engineer added that i£ there were no bene£its derived, there would be no assessment. Seventh Street: 68th Avenue to 480 Feet North 'Phe City Engineer said that the reason the whole street is not included is that the portion north of this area needs storm sewer, and it would be too costly to put down a permanent street, then have to tear it up later. He said that the Council had directed him to anly include in this Public Hearing the streets that could be improved without additional storm sewer. Mr. Richard Kemper, 6736 %th Street N.E. said that he understood that this was for all o£ 68th Avenue and 7th Street. Mayor Izir7Lham said no, that they did not want to put in permanent streeL-s over areas that need additional storm sewer wozk. Mr. Kemper asked where the water would drain. The City Engineer said i:hat it drains to the Riedel property, and that the exisLang storm sewer is undersized. Mr. Kemper then asked if the problem wrth the s-torm sewer is to prevent draining into the Riedel property. The City Engineer said that this is part of the problem. He said that no one knows how this land wi11 develop. He explained that the awner o� this land has died and the land is in probate. Mr. Kemper saic3 that he did not want to wait another five years. The City Engineer said that chere are other streets in this area which need improving once �he problem with the storm sewer is resolved. Mr. Kemper said that he has lived on Seventh Street tor lo years and would lzke io see the street improved. Another vasitor to the Meeting said that he lives on the corner of Rice Creek Terrace and 68th Avenue and would like to see this whole area improved. Mayor Kirkham explained that the water would have to go to the Riedel property, and the storm sewer cannot be forced until the development of this property is resolved. A visitor to the Meeting asked how deep the storm sewer is under Mississappa Street. The City Engineer said about 15' but that it is not hooked up to any system. Mayor KirY.ham said L-hat that was put in by the County when they improved Mississippi Street so that the street would not have to be torn up later, and was paid for by the County. Councilman Harris added that there is an existing pipe which drains the � � ' � i i SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 3 ' over£low from the Riedel property inLO the creek. The City Engineer added that 7th Screet was not permanenL-ly improved. It has just a temporary overlay as it was getting very bad. He said that there was a Public Hearing for thzs scorm sewer about 3 years ago and the people ob�ected to it, so the pipe was .7ust put under Mississippi Street. A visitor to the Meeting asked how this storm sewer improvement would be paid for. Mayor Kirkham said ihac State Statutes scate that only lands bene£itting can be assessed. Councilman Harris added that this is a very large drainage district and Lakes in Chrzstie Addition, and the assessment would be spread over them a1so. He explained that every parcel of iand is included in one drainage district or another, and none would be excluded. The districts are divided by the natural drainage of the water upon the land. Mr. Kemper said that iL- would seem to him that it would be to their advantage to get it in as soon as possible. Mayor Kirkham said that previously the people were against this. There is always the problem with storm sewer assessments that � the people on the high ground do not want ihe improvement, and tind it hard to understand that they are a part of a drainage district. Councilman Harris said that there were three possibilities open to the Council. One was to put in small storm sewer pipes and use the Riedel property as a xetainage basin, another would 'ne to put in larger and deeper pipes and use a smaller retainage basin on the Riedel property, and the third would be to have no ponding on the Riedel property at all and drain directly to the creek. He said that the Council is still considering purchasing the Riedel property to use as a ponding area. �ihe problem with using the property as a ponding area is that it is in a very good location,and_could be developed to a higher use, He said that if the people feel that L-hey want the s�orm sewer, the Council will be glad to hold another Public Hearing, He explained that the reason for the 10 year street improvement project that wi11 come up later in the evening, is to make the people aware that the improvements will be coming, and that the cost rises every year. Mr. Kemper said that he lives on ttie street that is not to be � improved now, and realized that the costs wi11 be going higher and wondered if the pipes could not be laid at the time oi construction the same as was done with Mississippi Street, then hooked up later, Mayor Kirkham said that this could be done but brings about problems in assessments as there would not SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 4 be any immeaiate bene£it. A visitor to the Meeting asked if chere had to be 51% an any petition. The Mayor said that the Council has the right to order in any improvement, with or without a petition. The visitor said that it seems then that things are at an impasse unless the Council decides to go ahead with the storm sewer pro�ect. Mayor Kirkham said that if there is the same interest shown ai a subsequent hearing as shown today, the Council prabably would go ahead. Mr. Kemper said that he was not in favor of the he wanted the street put in. Councilman Harris lilce to see another Public Hearing held. Mayor that it still would not be too late to add it to pro�ect. The City Engineer agreed and said that costs are going up much iaster than the cost of storm sewer, but said that he would Kirkham added the 1969 the construction living. Councilman Harris explained that if the Riedel property awners should decide to develop their land, they would have to first raise the grade, and this would result in these people gettiny water on �he streets. MOTION by CounciZman Harris to authoraze calling the Public Aearing on January 13, 1969 for the streets and utilities for the area shown in crosshatching on the map, which are a portion of 68th Avenue and a portion o.E 7th Street, and bring the necessary resolutions back at the next Council Meeting for reaffirmation by the Council. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upan a voice vate, a11 voting aye, Mayar Kirkham declared the motion carried. RESOLUTION #k193-1968 - A RESOLUTION ORDET2ING PRELIMINARY PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND ESTIMATES OF THE COSTS THEREOF: STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1969-1: MoTION by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolution #193-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. RESOLUTION #194-1968 - RESOLUTION RECEIVING THE PRELIMTNARY REPORT AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEI�RING ON THE MATTER OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF CERTAIN IMPROVENIEN7.'S: STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1969-1: MOTION by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolution #194-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all votiny aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. � , ' ' SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEI��R 9, 1968 PAGE 5 RESOLUTION #195-1968 - A RESOLUTION ORDERING PRELIMINARY PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND ESTIMAT�S OF THE COSTS TEiEREQF: STORM SEWER PROJECT #80: MO'PION by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolucaon #�195-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice voce, a11 voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. RESOLUTION #196-1968 - A RESOLUTION RECEIVING THE PRELIMIIVARY REPOR�C AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEAF�ING ON 'PHE MATTER OF THE CONSTRUCI^ION OF CER'CAIN IMPROVE'�'17��7TS: STORM SEVTER PROJI:CT SS #80- MOTION by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolution $$196-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. Councilman Liebl asked what the total iigures are for the L-hree storm sewer proposals. The City Engineer said thaL they range � from $155,000 to $236,000. Mr. Kemper asked how many square feet in the drainage district. The Cicy Engineer said that he did not have the fiyures, but that the total area and cost per 100 square foot will be computed by �he I'inance Director for the Public Hearing January 13th, and he could come in around the first of the year and obtain this inrormation from his office. Councilnian Liebl added that il. would probably be between $3.00 to $5.00 per 100 square Foot and thaL- i� would be useless to put in a new street wichout the storm sewer, as the street would not last. Fourth Street: 67th Avenue to Rice Creek lerrace The City Engineer said that this street was also �etitioned for. A visitor to the Meeting asked i£ there was any storm sewer needed. The City Engineer said that all utilities are in the ground now. He added that there may kae an additional assessment later if the large storm sewer districL is determined. He added that the assessment could be spread over 10 years. R�ce Creek Terrace: Highway #47 Service Road to 68th Ave. � The City Engineer said that tha.s streec was also petitioned ior. He said that it is a swale street now, and would be 36' bac}c co back with concrete curbing, 4" base and 112" mat on top. A v�.sitor to the Meeting asked haa much L-he Pront iooc assessment would be. 7.�he City Engineer said $1U.01, and that generally che estimates are too high rather than toa low. He explained tha� 1�� � SPECIAL PUBLIC HL'ARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 6 the exact figures would not be ]cnown until the completion o� the pro�ect. He said that his department liked to let bids early in the spring so that the bidding price would be better. A visicor asked how many bids were usually received. The City Engineer said that it is published in the paper and his depart- menc sends out invitaLions to the bidders also. He said gener- ally there are five or six bidders. A visitor to ihe Meeting asked why 67th Avenue was designated as a State Aid Street as it is in the middle of a residential area. Mayor I:irkham said that he did no-t ]cnow, but that ac. one time it was a main artery. The City Engineer said that the people living on 61ch Avenue are still assessed Por a residential streer and that the StaL-e Aid Funds pay i:he difference between a 36' street and a 40' screet, and that it is a heavy duty street. He saad that one of the requirements was that the street had to connect two main streets or highways. It was designated in 19b1. Councilman Liebl asked how many times State Aid Punds have been used on 67th Avenue. The City Engineer replied once. Mr. Kemper asked how they are designated. Mayor Kirkham said that they are designated by Council. He explained th� the City is allowed so many miles and ihe Council makes a designation so that the City can get all the funds to which they are entitled. The City Manaqer added that some of this money is also used for maintenance. Councilman Harris said that the sealcoating pro- gram comes .Erom this fund, and is not assessed. He said that sealcoating is only done on streets tha� are improved and have curb and gutter. A visitor to the Meeting asked about assessing on a corner lot, and on a lot that follows the curve of the street. Mayor Kirkham said tha� the short side is taken as the front footage, the side yard is 1/3, and the rest is picked up 2 of the way dawn block. A visitor asked what about a pie shaped lot. The Finance Director said that in this case the width af the lot the setback a.s used. A visitor asked how much difference it would make in taxes. The Assessor said that based on an 80' loi., it would be about $13.20. the at Hi4hway �#47 East Service Road: Rice Creek Terrace to 300 Feet South: 'Phe City Engineer said that the reason tha.s was included in the Hearing was that the service road is being used to gain entrance to a garage, and it was felt that the dar� would wash onto the new streets. He said that the assessments were quite high, as the two lots have improvement frontage on both sides. � II� 7 t;; �l SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECLMBER 9, 1968 PAGL 7 � Councilman Samuelson said that a vacaL-ion of this area was tried 2 or 3 years ago. Mr. Charles Swanson, 312 Rice Cree}c Terrace, said that he is paying for two sides already, and suggested ending Rice Creek Terrace in a cul-de-sac. Mr. John Baune, 6760 Fourth S4reet N.E. also ob�ected L-o this, and commented that the State should have given the service road back when T. H. #47 was improved. Councilman Liebl commented that this case points out ihat the Ccuncil has co make the decision which is the Pairest and to L-he besc advantage. Councilman Samuelson said that the choice is a 12' wide street or a cul-de-sac at Rice Creek Terrace. MO1'ION by Councilman Samuelson Lo delete the Highway #47 East Service Road £rom Rice Creek Terrace to 300 Feet South from che pro�ect. The motion was seconded and upon a voice vote, a11 vo?:ing aye, Mayor Ka.rk]iam declared the motion carried, Mr. Charles Swanson said that there should be a barrier put up ai: the entrance to pxevent cars from coming down, He said thac � there is one now, but cars �ust drive around it, 62nd Way: Riverview Terrace to East Rivez Road: The City Engineer said that tha.s streeL- is gone and is one of the streets added to the hearing by the Administration. A v�sitor to the Meeting said that he la.ves on the corner of 62nd Way and Riverview Terrace, and at the time that Riverview Terrace was improved, he had wanted L-o have 62nd Way improved. Mr. Eugene Gohman, 151 62nd Way said that he was in favor oi the improvement. Mr. William White said that he was also in favor of this proposal. Councilman Liebl said that this street would be 36' wide and would cost approximately $12.11 per fron= foot. He pointed out that before there were no utilities in the street and the lots were not built up as they are now. Mr, Richard Harris asked what the assessments would be on LoL 2, Block 2 Juli-Ann Addition. 7.'he Assessor told him. Mr. Harris said that in the winter the waier pipes break and askeci what was going to be done about this. The City Engineer said � that the water services have been lowered, and if there are any more that need lowering, this will be done beiore the improve- ment qoes in. Mr. Harris said that he could not see why the property owners should have to pay £or the lowering oi the services. The City Engineer said that L-he pipes were laid in 1961. � , _ , ,�sPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 8 Mr. Harris said that there was a vacant lot on 62nd Way and asked iz this could be stubbed in. The City Enga.neer said that this would be done. Mx. Harris asked why this assessment would be $12.11 and on Rice Creek Terrace it was $10.00. The City Engineer said that this was because there are five side yards. Councilman Samuelson added that it is also a short street and the only one in the area so the contractor wi11 have to move his equipment back and £orth. Mr. Harris asked why Riverview 'rerrac€ has not been sealcoated. The City Engineer said that there is ,7ust so much money, and it is used where the streets are L-he worst. Councilman Liebl said that the City Engineer goes to the pro- perty owners and checks on the driveways and felt that he deserves credit ior this. Third Street: 49th Avenue to 53rd Avenue The City Engineer said that this would be a 40' wide, 9 ton street. He explained that this was designated as a State Aid street as it does carry a great amount of tra£fic and there are aparr.ment houses on tha.s street. He said that the dif£erence between the 36' residential stre et and the 40' State Aid street would be picked up by State Aid funds. Mrs. Ronald Lilliencrantz said that she was in favor of this. Another resident asked how this could be called a State Aid street when all the streets entering onto rt from 49th Avenue to 53rd Avenue were residential streets. The City Engineer said that it was because this street carries more traffic due to the apartments, buL- that i£ they did not want the better road at na extra cast to them, they did not have to have it. He said that he could not see why there would be any objection to a better street when the residents do not have to pay for it. The visitor said that he did not feel that they needed a 9 ton 40' wide streeL- for residential homes on one side and apartment houses on the other. Councilman Harris said that a.t would seem reasonable to have a State Aid street as they will be getta.ng a better street for their money and will last longer. A typical residential street woulr3 not last as long with the amount of traffic this street gets as the State Aid street would. The City Engineer said that if the people do not want a heavier street, another street could be designated to recexve the State Aid funds. A visrtor to the Meeting asked about a pie shaped lot. The Finance Director said that this would be con- sidered, as explained beEore, when the assessment is made. � � � � � � i , SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 196$ PAC-�' 9 Another resident asked ii they would lose ihe trees in the boulevard. The City Engineer said that if it is a State Aid street, these will be replaced with sma11 trees. If it is Eo be a residential street, they will not be zeplaced. Councilman Liebl said that if the street is only 36' wide, and there is a car parked on each side, ic would make it toa narrow to maneuver. There will probably be another apartment house in this area in the future. He said that he did not want these same people to come back a.n five years complaining that their street a.s too narrow. He referred to the Crty Engineer's statements that they would have nothing to lose, and would be gaining a better street. MOTION by Councilman Harris to close Street Improvement Pro,7ect St. 1969-1 Liebl. Upon a voice vote, all voting declared the motion carried. RECESS: i.he Pdblic Hearing on . Seconded by Councilman aye, Mayor Kirkham Mayor Kirkham called at 10 minute reces5 at lOcDO P.M, CONSIDERATION OF PROPOSED FINAL PLAT, P�S. #68-06, MARXEN TERRACE, THOMAS E. MA.RXEN: Mayor Kirkham read the Public Hearing notice to the audience. The Cii:y Engineer said that this request is ior property abutLing Onondaga Street on the north. He said that the Planning Commission recommended approval oi- this request. Ae explained that the lots facing onondaga are the only lots that will be developed a� this time, and that they are only 66' wide, but that Mr. Marxen has been trying to buy land to the east a.np wes� to bring them up to 75'. He said that the total square footage is adequate. Councilman Samuelson asked if he had any plans for the back lots. The City Engineer said no, only the front two lots. He said that the Planning Commission did not feel thai McKinley Street would ever be extended through this area to 73rd Avenue. Councilman Harris said that he assumed that the cul-c�e-sac would aerve the 3aack lots later. 2'he City Engineer said yes. Mayor Kirkham wondered if this would not be settiny a precedent by letting him develop 66' lots, and asked why Lot 7 could not be split into 66' lots also. Councilman Samuelson said that the setback irom the corner would prevent this. The Ciiy Engineer pointed out ��, t� - _ SPECTAL PTJBLIC HFAI2ING MEETING OF DECLMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 10 that the iront ].oL-s were about 230' deep. Councilman Samuelson asked if the cul-de-sac has already been dedicated. Mr. Marxen said yes, and added ihat he has been trying to get land on eiL-her side, but ii is very expensive. The City Engineer said �hat chis area is not buil� up, but Dalberg Terrace north of this area is. MqiION by Councilman Harris to close the Public Hearzng on the Proposed Final Plat P,S, #68-06 Marxen TerYace. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, MayoY Kirkham declarn d Lhe motian carried. MOTION by Councilman Harris ta concur with the recommendations of che Planning Commission and approve the plat. Seconded by Counca.lman Samuelson. Upon a voice vore, Kirkham, Harris, Samuelson voting aye, Liebl votiny nay, Mayor Kirkham declared i.he motion carried. CONSIDERATION OF REZONING REQUEST, 20A #68-12, ROBERT A. SCHROER: Mayor Kirkham read the Public Hearing notice to the audience. MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to receive that portion of the Planning Commission Minutes of December 5, 1968 dealing with the request by Robert Schroer. Seconded by Councilman Harris. Upon a voice vo�e, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the moca.on carried. Councilman Harris asked the City Engineer if there is anything iurcher that should be included« The City Engineer said that Mr. Schroer has sul�mitted plans far the south portion of the land, but not for ihe north portion. lhe plans include the loopback on the south to be aligned with the seroice road south of Osborne Road. He said that there is a St. paul water- works easement here, and this will have to be checked out with St. Paul to see what can be done. He said that the planning Commission recommended approval with a loopback at both the north and south end of the property. He said that they agreed that the first reading oi the Ordinance could be held, then hold up the second reading unta.l all the final plans are approved. Cauncilman Liebl asked Mr. Schroer if he land. Mr. Schroer said that he owns the a contract on the northern portion. He much the same �ype oi business as he has holds title to all the south portion, and has said that he plans on now on East River Road. � , ' � � � { ' SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING M'r',�TING OF DECEMI3ER 9, 196$ PAG� 11 He explained that he would like to expand 'ca the north in the future. He said chat it would cost him about $150,000 for the development of the south portion. Councilman Liebl asked Mr. Schroer if he plans to have any gas si.a�ions. Mr. Schroer said that there were no plans for a service scation at the nor�h end a� this L-ime. Councilman Liebl said chac he aould noi voce for a rezoning if there was a gas station in�ended. He said ihat he thought that originally Mr. Schroer was going to rebuild on his location on East River Road. Mr. Richard Harris said that he would 3i]ce L-o speak for h unsel� and his father, Mr.Harold Harris as property owners in this area, and urge the Council to approve this rezoning request. He said that this proposal looks good to him and he ielt that a C-2-S zoning along University Avenue frontage would be compatible with the area. He commenced ihai: more development in this area would expedite getting �he necessary utilities into this area. May� Kirkham agreed that this would force a conclusion to the problem. Mr. Harris said that no� is the time to consider a large main into this area. He said that as the area develops there will be more large buildings that will require sprin;cling systems. Councilman Samuelson agreed that by zoning commercial, Lhere would be a higher valuatzon per acre. MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to close che Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman Liebl. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried, MO`i`ION by Councilman Harris to concur wic.h che Planning Coicuttission's recommendation and approve the requesL- ior rezoning from NI-2 Lo C-2-S by Robert Schroer with the stipuZations presented in their Minutes on First Readiny ot the Ordin,nnc� aY�� r��u�st th4t tkx� second readzng be brought back at th� next Regt�lar v�uracii Meeting, Seconded by Councilman Samuelson, Upon a roll call vote, I3arris, Samuelson and Kzrkham voting aye, Li�bl ��ca�ing nay, Mayor KarYlzam declared fi.he motzon rATLED, Mayor Ki�kham said that t1�e Farst Reading of the ordinance would be brought back again at the naxt Mtg. Councilman Liebl said thai: he had voced no as there is one Councilman absent, and also he would like a liitle more time �o discuss chis with the Planning Commission. INFORMAL MEE'PING -'PEN YEAR IMPROVEMnN'1' PROGRAM: (For Areas North af Rice Creek and West o£ Highway -lk�7 in Fridley, Minn.) The City Manager said that the City Engineer has put a lot of time and work into planning this program. He said that i.he Ciiy does not want the xesiden�s co have 4o drive on rutted streets, SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 12 r The plans involve improvements in an orderly £ashion and at an accelerated rate which will result in a saving to the taxpayer as the costs of construction are rising very fast. He explained ihaL- if the improvements can be grouped into areas, this cuL-s down on construction costs as the conL-ractor does not have to move his equipment about the City. `1'here is also planned a more agressive sealcoaL-ing program and the City has authorized purchasing a small paving machin�. He said that it is hoped L-hat when the residents understand the program, it will be less than ten years, because of the rapidly rising costs, and thaL- it is just a matcer of time until all the streets within the City will be improved to Cicy standards. He explained thac added to the cosL oi labor and materials, the bond inter- esL is rising. He said that it is hoped 'rhat when the public is aware of this, they wi11 be more willing to accept the acce- leracion of the pro�ram for improvements. The City Engineer said 'chat there are about 17 miles o£ streets �hat are not up to City standards. He said in the last four � years, improving swale sireets has been at a rate of abput 2 mil� per year. This program is put together to give the people advance noczce and has the advantage of giving his Engineeriny Department time to work on the plans during the winter when there is rnore time. If people wish to have an im- provemen� made earlier, they can still petition. He explained ihat ii it is known which streets are to be improved in the �uture, ic would better enable his department to ma]ce the best use oi maintenance iunds. He said that this is just an in£ormal mee�ing and there will be a legal Public Hearing for every street at a later date. The City Engineer showed a map oi� the screen of the areas proposed to be improved in 1970 and said �hat a PuYslic Hearing had been held on some of the streets in 1965 and 1966, but the people did not want the improvement. Now the streets are very badly deterioYated and canno� be maintained. He added that the figures given naw will be much higher than they were in 1965 and 1966. once the streets are improved to Cicy 5tandards, then Si-ate Aid funds can be used for maintenance. Councilman Samuelson as]ced it any street could be accelerated into che 196g street program if petitioned. The City Engineer said yes. A visitor to the Meetiny asked if one street is accelerated, does � this �ush another street back in the program. The City Engi- neer replied no, thac as many streets as wished can be improved in any year. Mr. Richard Harris asked it Alden Way should not have been con- sidered when the improvement of 62nd Way was proposed. The City �i ! ' f � � SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 13 � Enyineer said that 62nd Way was put in�o ilze pro�ect as so many people complained about the condition oi the streei. A visitor to the Meeting asked what would happen if an improve- ment was petitioned against. The Ci�y Engineer said thaL he felt that a.t should go in anyhaw, as he ieli L-hat this was a good program, however, this is a Gouncil de�ermination. Councilman Samuelson said that i£ a proyram was established, he felt that the Council should adhere i.o i�. A visitor to the Meeting said that in 1965 or 1966 there was a petition £or improvemenL- of streets in the Hickory Drive area, buc �hey did not want storm sewers. He asked if there would be a petition for storm sewers needed. Councilman Sam- uelson said in this area, ihe storm sewer porLion of the improvement was a minor cost oi the toL-al improvement. He said in this case, the Council would proba}�ly go ahead with it. He said that the Council has to compare L-he cost oi the sLOrm sewer in relation to tlie overall cosL oL the screets. The � City Engineer added that storm sewers will go in with the street improvement. He said that this parL-icular area is a small drainage district, and the program would be set up to include the storm sewers. Councilman Samuelson asked if the szorm sewers in the Hickory Drive area would be installed in 1969 and the streets in 19"!0. The City Engineer said that the pipes would not have to be very deep and it could al1 be done in one year. Mr. Roy Anderson said that he lives on Alden T�,7ay and abouc 6 or 7 years ago there was some storm sewer lain down in Rickard Road. He said that now this creates ice on East River Road, and the road is such that you have to drive onto East River Road to see if there is any traffic coming and he ielt that this was a dangerous situation. Tne City Engineer said tha-� this was done in 1961 or 1962 and the City did not want this water £rom East River Road to yo in�o the City sys�em. Councilman Samuelson said that maybe a srnall averlay would help. Mayar Kirkham told Mr. Anderson that this would be checked L-o see i� a lic�.le blacktop could be placed where it would help. A visitor to the MeeLing asked about drivecvays, He said that � he was planning to put in a concrete driveway. The City Engineer said that the Ciiy matches the driveways already in existance. If it is concrete, they put in concrete, if blaciccop, they put in blackto�,or if it is dirt, dirt is replaced. He asked the man to come into the of£ice co ca13c to him beiore he �uts in his dra.veway. t!, � _ SPECIAL PUBLIC I3EARING M�:ETING OF DECEhFB�R 9, 1968 P,�GE 14 A visicor l.o che Meeting said that she lives on 79th Way and � would like l.o see i:he s�reet improved. It is scheduled for 1971. However, she said, chere is a vacant lot, an apartment honse and rental property, and a corner loc, and a City park and 'chey cannot get 51% on a petition. She said that there are many schoc�l buses going down this street and there is a lot of dusL-. Mayor Y.irkham advised her to try another petition and it will be considered. She then asked i� there was a possibility chac it could be designated as a State Aid road so it could be wider. Councilman samuelson said no, that the 5tate stipulates L-hat a State Aa.d road musc connect two main streets, and 79th t�7ay does not. 'Phe City Engineer said that in 1971 improvements are also proposed for Onaway Addiiion. He said that once the utilities are in, ihe City can proceed with the streets. He said that L-izey would have to be 40' streets as L-his is an industrial area. There is a 60' right ot way. l�7r. Richard Harris pointed out that the City only owns z of 77th Way. The City Engineer said Lhat by 1970 the u�ilities should be in and everything in � order for the streets L-a go in. When considering the streets co be done in 1972, which are all south oi I.694, a visiL-or asked how wide the streets would be. The City �n9ineer said that they would be 36' wzde. He ex- plaaned that presently chey are ahout 39' because of the swale, buc L-his wz11 be cut bac7: and curb and gutters added. He said cha� evervthing would be finished up io -�he ��roperty line. iPhen considering Rivervaev� Heights, which is due for improvements in 19i4, the City Lngineer said that ihe City wxll have to wait Lo see �,ahat develops there. Tn 1975, Hyde Park is due for amprovements, and he said that by that �ime, the City should have some answers to the problems there-now, as there a.s a planner working on this now. A visitor said ihat he lives on Sta�li�e Boulevard and wants L-o build a driv�.aay, and asked about the grade change. The City Engineer advised him 'co come into �he oxfice to get the yrade lines before he proceeds. Pdr, McLain asked how much difference there is between concrete � streets and blacktop streets. The CiL-y Engineer said that concrete streeis are �ust about double the cost in sandy soils. SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING M�:ETING OF DECSMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 15 � COMMUNICATIONS• A, METROPOLITAN COUNCIL: RE: H�IRING O� EXPANSION OF MINNEIIPOLIS WATERWORKS AND CQPY OP N,S.S.S.D. RL•'SOLU`tION Councilman Harris pointed out on Paye 7 oz the Agenda there is the Resolution passed by �.S.S.S.D. 'lhe hearing is stiil planned for December 19, 1968 at 2:00 P.M, in aze Metropolitan Council Chambers and there has been no new intormation, so the ac�ion of the Council ot the last Mee-Ling still stands_ MOTION by Councilman Harris to receive the communication irom L-he Metropolitan Council dated December 2, 1968 and the N,5.S.S.D, �2esolution #12-1968 dated November 12, 196�. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried, B. MR. HAROLD OHLSON, 376 66TH AVENUE N.E. RE: WELL � MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to receive the communicaL-ion irom Mr. Harold Ohlson dated December 9, 1968. Seconded by Council- man Harris. Upon a voice vote, all ❑o�ing aye, Mayor Kirl:ham declared the motion carried. Councilman Harris said ihat he had talked 'co MY'. Ohlson a� some length, and wondered about the possibilicy oi running a line =rom Red ow1. The City Engineer suggesced holding a Public Hearing. He said that in 1961 there was a public Hearing held and the people violently ob�ec4ed to geL'ca.ny water at L-hai time. He said thaL- if Mr. Ohl5on coald wait until aiLer the Public Hearing, the people may have changed their minds, then -�he water line could be run. The Council was in agreemen� wiL-h this. RESOLUTION #197-1968 - A RESOLUTION ORDLI2ING PRELIMINARY PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND E5'PIMATES OF COSTS THEREOF: WATER, 5ANITARY SEWBR AND STORM Sr,'WL'R PROJECT W-r�90 - ADDENDUM #1: MOTION by Councilman Harx'is to adopt Resolution #197-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all vo`ciny � aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the mota.on carried. R�SOLUTION #198-1968 - A RESOLUTION R,:CEIVING THE PRELIMINARY REPORT AND CALLING A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MAT^1r:R OF THE CONSTRUCTION OF CERTAIN IMPROVEMhNTS: WA^tER, SANITARY SEWLR AND STORM SEWER PROJECT W#90 - ADDENDUM #�1: ,�� °� ", SPLCIAL PUBLIC HCARING MEETTNG OF DECEMBER 9, 1968 PAGE 16 f��'C'TON by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolution #198-1968. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all votinc� aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. It was agreed that these Resolutions are �o be brought back at the next Regular Council Meeting for reaffirmation. ADJOURNMEN3': MO'1'ION by Councilman Harris to ad�ourn the Meeting. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upan a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared Lhe special Public Hearing of December 9, 1968 ad�ourned at 11:35 P.M. Respectfully submitted, �, �/ L�Gu� ��G�"G/'�✓G/ Juel Mercer 5ecretary to the Council �D. Jack o, Mayor ��'''1�'�°"" Kirkham � � u �