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THE NIINUTES OF THE SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING OF MAACH 31� 1969 �
Mayor Kirkham called the Special Counoil Meeting of March 31, 1969 to order at
7.00 P.M.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE
Mayor Kirkham requested the Council and audience rise and �oin the Council in
saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Kirkham, Harris, Liebl, Samuelson, Sheridan
MEMSERS ABSENT: None
ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
Mayor Kirkham said that there were three items to add to the Agenda which were:
#5. Hiring of Street Maintenance Man
�6. Resolution Regarding Condemnation of Right of Way on 73rd Avenue Between
Central Avenue and T.H. #65
#7• FMC Request for Waiver of REC Charges for Proposed Engineering Building
MOTION by Councilman Harris to adopt Agenda as amended. Seconded by Counczlman '
Liebl. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the mota.on
carried.
DISCUSSION AND RESOLUTION REGARDING PROPOSED LEGISLATION FOR FRIDLEY FIRE RELIEF
ASSOCIATION
The Fridley Fire Department was in attendance for this item. The City Attorney
read the Resolution he had drafted on the proposed Legislation for the Firemens'
Relief Association. The Finance Director said that it was his understanding that
the bi11 has been changed, but he said that he had not seen the final amendment.
Councilman Liebl asked the Finance Director who drew up the plans referred to in
his memorandum. The Finance Director answered that the four plans appearing are
plans used by other municipalities. Councilman Harris said that P1an #2 and #4
do not designate any age limits.
Mr. Carl Moen, Fridley Representative, said that there is a bill which has been
passed through the House and is being consiciered by the Senate now that would
super�ede any plan the City of Fridley might set up, unless the City would wish
to include more benefits than the bill covers. He said that he had sent a copy
of the bill #1829 to Mr. Don Savelkoul, Attorney for the Volunteer Firemens' Relief
Association. The City Attorney asked it this would apply to all class cities.
Mr. Moen said that was his understanding. Councilman Harris said that on this
basis, he would like to see the Resolution passed, then see if the bill passes �
through the Senate, before discussion of the plans. Mr. Moen said that he thought
that the bill should pass through the Senate with no trouble, as it is a local
Legislatzve bill.
RESOLUTION #48-1969 - RESOLUTION REGARDING PROPOSED LEGISLATIVE CHANGE IN
FIREMENS' PENSION LEGISLATION•
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MOTION by Councilman HaYris to adopt Resolution #48-1969.
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Councilman Liebl said as there are four plans, if the City were to do something
additional�he asked the Fire Department which of the foux plans they would
like, bearing in mind that the City has ot�ly so much money to spend. The President
of the Firemens' Relief Association showed a copy of the bill referred to k�y Mr.
Moen to the City Attorney. He said that the Assoclation would have selfish
motives, of course, and would prefer the fully escalated plan as this would
give the best coverage to protect against inflation. Based on the figures from
Mr. Frank Moulton, Chairman, Legislative Retirement Study Commission, it seems
that the City could not afford this plan. The President of the Association said
that the actuaria,l study they had made did not give the information they desired
relative to the cost of the plan. Councilman Lieb1 asked how the Association was
covered now. The Pzesident o£ the Association said that the volunteers are
covered at a rate of $40 a montih for 20 years service after the retirement age of
50. For dependents and orphans it is $21 a month until 18 years of age. For
widows, the present plan gives $52 to $63 per month. FIe said that for the paid
men, he is not sure how they are classified. Some authorities say that Fridley
is a second class city, some say not. He said in 1967 they drew up a bill which
would provide some options. One point Mr. Moult�ai made was .tn regard to the 4/5
vote requi�ed by Council. He said that in this bill, the by-laws had to be rati-
fied by the Council and a 4/5 vote was required to effect the plan. He said that
he felt this was an a.mportant point. He pointed out that 6o is the amount the
employees pay now, and this percentage varies from 0% up to 6o wrthin the various
municipalities. Councilman Liebl asked the Association if they would be willing
to pay some on their own. The Presi.dent of the Association said that they would
be required to pay 6� 6y this proposed 6i11_ Councilman Lieb1 said that he felt
that Plan #4 (the fully esculated plan) was too expensive, but that Plan #3 calling
for 20o of salary paid by the City and 6% paid by the employee, with retirement
at the age of 55 with 20 years of service, SOo of average salary for the last
5 years of employment, would be about average and a good compromise.
The President of the Association pointed out that all the optional plans require
20 years of service and retirement at the age of 50. He said that he has been
told that the entry age into a plan is quite a factor in determining the cost
of the plan. Councilman Harris pointeci out that Plan #3 actually incorporates
an escalator clause. The President of the Association agreed and said that it
was felt by the Association that this would be a suitable compromise, although
it was felt that �his should be studied more. He said that under Plan #3 (the
Proposed Bill) the retirement pay' is calibrated on the last five years of ser-
vice rather than an average of the years of service. He 5aid tbat raising the
pay of the firemen would not raise the pay of the people drawing pension bene-
fits. Councilman Samuelson asked in regard to the escalator clause, ?f the pay
was increased for volunteers, would the retired volunteer pay increase. The
President of the Association said yes� there would be a percentage of increase.
The City Attorney asked if, after the material from Mr. Moulton was received,
the acttxarial study was determined to be sound. The President of the Asso-
ciation said the acturial study did not tell if it was sound, it only told the
cost of having a plan. The Finance Director added that the figures from Mr.
� Moulton indicated that if 26% of the employees salary were to be put into the
fund, it would make it sound. The City Attorney asked if that takes into
consideration the amount of money already in the fund. The Finance Director said
yes. The City Attorney wondered if the Resolution was worded correctly and if
the Council understood the total cost Lo the City and to the Employees.
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Councilman Sheridan asked what the present mill levy was for the Firemens' '
Relief Association. The Finanne Director said that it was one mill. Council-
man Sheridan said that a rule of thumb he has used is that the employee pays
1/3 of the cost and the employer pays 2/3. Sy applying this rule to tlze
proposed bill, 6o would be paid by the employee, and 3 X 6 would be 18%.
18o added to the 6o would be 24a, which is quite close to the 26� proposed in
the bill. The President of the Association said that he would like to have
the Resolution passed, as if there is none, he would be afraid the Senate
would not act favorably on this bill. He said that the Association felt
that administration should come from the local level, and if the bill does
not pass, it might mean State control, which they would be against, �udging
by the example of the PERA system. If more men were added to the Department,
there would be increased costs, but along with the increased cost, there would
be an increased tax base.
Councilman Liebl commented that according to his figuring, under the proposed
bill, the City's share would be about 2 mills, then the Firemens' Relief
Association would pay 1/3 of that cost. The Pres�dent of the Association
said that estimate might be slightly high. Using 260 of the salary would
figure out to be about $27,000 total for the next year or two, which would be
about 250.
The City Attorney wondered if the Resolution should not be re-worded slightly
to incorporate the idea that the Council acknowledges the fact that they realize
what the cost of the pension spstem is and agree that they are willing to pay '
the cost. This is what was requested by Senator Grieg.
Councilman Sheridan said that he was in agreement with the President of the
Association in wanting control to be by the City rather than by the State.
AMENDMENT TO MOTION by Councilman Sheridan to add to the Resolution "That
the Council realizes what the cost of the pension system is and agree that
they are willing to pay the cost". Secondad by Councilman Liebl. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried un-
animously.
THE MOTION by Councilman Harris to adopt Resolution #48-1969 was seconded by
Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham de-
clared the motion carried unanimously.
AT THIS POINT COUNCILMAN HARRIS HAD TO LEAVE THE MEETING.
Councilman Liebl asked if any maximum mill rate could be built into this
Resolution. The City Attorney said that it was his understanding that any
specific plan would have to be approved by the Council and if it was felt to
be too expensive, they could agree not to participate. The Finance Director
said that this was not his understanding. He said that he thought that if the
bill passes, the minimum standards would be set and the Council would not
have anything to do with it, other than to provide additional benefits if they
wished. Councilman Liebl said that he believed that Plan #3 would comply wzth '
the minimum criteria under consideration by the Senate. The City Manager
pointed out that by the Amendment, the Council is agreeing to pay an open end
plan and they do not know the costs. Councilman Liebl agreed and wondered if
the words "not to exceed two mills" should not be added. The City Attorney
said that this could be added to the bill, that the Council agrees to pay
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� not in exce5s of two mills. The Finance Director said that what Senator
Grieg wi11 say is, this would be fine now, but what about when there are more
men addecl to the force. Mayor Ka.rkham said that the way the Resolution reads
now, might find the City with a never-ending increase in mill levy. Counc�.l-
man Sheridan agreed.
The President of the Association said that before the bill will pass the
Senate, this Resolution has to be passed. If it is passed, the by-laws will
not become effeotive until Council approves them by a 4/5 vote. Then the
Firemens' Relief Association will have to axrive at a plan for paying bene-
fits within the provisions o£ the bill, then this would be submitted to the
Council. The final control would sest with the Council. He explained that
this bill is only an enabling law. He said that what Senator Grieg would
like to know at this time is if the Council will go on record as supporting
the proposed Legislation.
MOTION by Councilman Sheridan to reconsider and re-adopt Resolution #48-1969.
MOTION by Councilman Sheridan to strike the Amendment and add this Amendment
in its place "That the Fridley City Council understands the costs and goes
on record in support of proposed Legislation for the Fridley Firemens' Relief
Association". Seoonded by Councilman Samuelson. IIpon a voice vote, all
voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried.
� THE MOTION to adopt Resolution #48-1969 was seconded by Councilman Samuelson
IIpon a voice vote, all votinq aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried_
DISCUSSION REGARDING RE50LUTION ON MINNESOTA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE'S SPLIT
LIOUOR RECOMMENDED CHANGE IN HOUSE AMENDMENT TO SENATE FILE #271:
The City Manager said that this information from the Minnesota ChamY�ers of
Commerce was received bp his office indicating that the municipal licenses
would be considered the same as private licenses. Mayor Kirkham added that
this amendment was proposed, as Senator Blatz of Bloomington had ob7ected to
the amendment placed on his bill in the House, as it was not germain. This
proposed amendment would be germain, as it applies to crties of the lst,
2nd, 3rd, and 4th class, and will be added in place of the other amendment.
He said that it was most important to get something through. This would not
take anything away from the present system. Senator Gra.eg would like to
suppori this, and Mayor Kirkham said in his opinion, he thought this was fine
Councilman Samuelson added that the Chambers of Commerce are ac�ive lobbyists.
Councilman Liebl said that he had no ob�ection.
RESOLUTION #49-1969 - RESOLUTION REGARDING PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO SENATE FILL
#271 REGARDING SPLIT LIQUOR:
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to adopt Resolution #49-1969 endorsing Minnesota
Chambers of Commerce Amendment to S.F. #271. 5econded by Councilman Sheridan.
Upon a voice wte, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried.
� CONSIDERATION OF SPECIAL USE PERMIT FOR HOLIDAY VILLAGE F012 OPERATION OF THEIR
GARDEN STORE
The City Manager said that the frame work is sti11 up as they were granted
perma.ssion by the Council to leave it. Now they are requesting a speoial use
permit to get ready for their spring business. This is along University Avenue,
on the east side of their store.
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MOTION by Councilman Liebl to grant a special use permit to Holiday Village
North for the use of the Garden Store. Seconded by Councilman Samuelson.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried.
LICENSE:
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to approve the following license�
General Contractor Approved By
C.F. Haglin & Sons Co. Sy• R.A. Roberts NEW Bt�ilding Inspector
4005 West 65th Street
Minneapolis, Minn.
Seconded by Councilman Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor
Kirkham declared the motion carried.
APPOINTMENT:
Name
Salary
Position
Mr. Joseph G.�onsior $606 per Month Stxeet Maintenance Man
6210 6th Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to approve the appointment of Mr. Joseph
Gonsior to the Street Maintenance Department at $606 per month. Seconded by
Councilman Liebl. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared
the motion carried.
RESOLUTION #50-1969 - RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ACQUISITION OE ADDITIONAL
RIGHT OF WAY FOR 73RD AVENUE BETWEEN CENTRAL AVENUE AND T.H. #65:
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to adopt Resolution #50-1969. Seconded by
Councilman Lieb1, Upon a voice vote, Kirkham, Samuelson, Liebl voting aye,
Sheridan abstaining, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried,
FMC REQUEST FOR WAIVER OF REC CHARGES FOR PROPOSED ADDITION TO BUILDING:
The City Manager explained that this request is for a waiver of REC charges
placed on all new buildings or additions to buildings by Resolution #61-1967.
They feel that they should be exempted as their sewage does not go into the
North Suburban Sanitary Sewer System, but into the Minneapolis system under
an agreement dated November 18, 1940, and ask that any charges in connection
with the N.S.S.S.D System be cieferred until such system is actually used
at this locata.on.
Councilman Liebl asked if they were to hook up in the future, would they
pay these charges. The City Attorney said yes. Councilman Liebl said,
with this understanding, the request should be granted. The City Manager said
that Councilman Harris had indicated before the Meeting that the waiver of
charges is not because of the additional bnilding being a part of the complex,
but is based on the agreement by FMC with the City of Minneapolis for capacity,
and that if some time in the future FMC uses Fridley capacity, agreed upon
between Fridley and Minneapolis or FMC utilizes N.S.S.S.D. capacity, REC charges
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would then be required from FMC.
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MOTION by Councilman Liebl to grant the request of FMC to waive the REC
charges for their new Engineering building with the understanding that the
waiver is not because of the addiiional building being part of the complex,
but is based on the agreement by FMC with the City of Minneapolis for capa-
city, and that if some time in the futux'e, FMC uses Fx�.dley capacrty agreed
upon between Fridlep and MinneapoLis or FMC utilizes N.S.5.S.D. capacity,
REC charges would then be required from FMC. Seconded by Councilman Samuel-
son. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motaon
carried.
CONSIDERATION OF AGREEMENT WITH SPRING LAKE PARK FOR TEMPORARY CONNECTION TO
THEIR LINE FOR BOB'S PRODUCE RANCH
The City Engineer showed a map of the area on the screen, and explained that
Council authorized a temporary connection to N.S.S.S_D. for Bob'5 Produce
Ranch by Resolution #33-1969. The N.S.S.S.D. has laid this request aside and
indicated that they would like an agreement to be dsawn up with Spring Lake
Park for the use of their 18" l,ine, the City to submit a plan to serve all
this area, and indicate whether the connection is to be temporary or perma-
nent. He pointed out that the Council has already adopted a plan to serve
this area. He suggested that if the owner would agree to hook up to N.S.S.S.D
near University Avenue on a temporaxy basis, then later, when the City system
is laid out the connection to N.S.S.S.D. can be removed and connected to the
City system.
Councilman Liebl asked whether the North Suburban Sanitary Sewer District is
ob7ecting to the procedure ox the hook up. The City Engineer explained that
this line was designed only to serve Spring Lake Park, and would require
an agreement £or its use.
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to authorize the City Engineer and the City Attorney
to work out an agreement with Spring Lake Park for the use of thRir line on
a temporary basis. Seconded by Councilman Sheridan. Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried.
SPEED LIMIT ON EAST RIVER ROAD:
Councilman Samuelson said that he had noticed that the speed limit on East
River Road has been reduced from 45 MPH to 40 MPH. He fel�. that the Police
Department should be alerted to be on the look-out for speeders. Councilman
Sheridan added that perhaps the Police Department should �ust give warning
tickets for a time until people get accustomed to the reduction. He suggested
that the press could make people aware of the reduction also. Councilman Liebl
saa.d that a thank you should go to the County for their help a.n qetting the
speed reduced.
ADJOURNMENT:
MOTION by Councilman Liebl to ad�ourn the Meeting. Seconded by Councilman Samu-
elson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the Special
Council Pleeting of March 31, 1969 adjourned at 8:15 P_M.
�R� pectfully submitted,
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Juel Mercer
Secretary to the City Council
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Mayor