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THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WORKSHOP MEETING OF JANUARY 12, 1970
Mayor Kirkham called the Pu�l�c IIearing and Workshop Meeting of January 12,
1970, to order at 7:35 P.M
PLEDG� OF ALL�GIANCE.
Mayor Kirkham asked everyone to stand and �oin in saying the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flag.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRE5FNT
MEMBERS ABSENT:
ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
Liebl, Samuelson, Sheridan, Kirkham
Harris
MUTION by Councilman Liebl to adopt the Agenda as presented, Seconded by
Councilman Sheridan, Upon a voice vote, there being no nays� Mayor
Kirkham declared the motion carried.
OLD BUSINESS
CONSI➢ERATION OF RESOLUTION #5-1970 STATING NO FURTHER REC CHARGES WILL BE
COLLECTED UND�R TI-IE PROVISIONS OF RESOLUTION NO. 61^1967:
The Mayor said that the Council had discussed this item at the previous
Council Meeting. He asked the City Attorney if he had any Purther remarks
to add. The City Attorney said that he, the City Manager and the Finance
Director will be meeting to recommend the way this is to be done and when
that has been figured out, he felt the ordinance originally adopted should
be nullified. Councilman Samuelson said that this had been thoroughly
discussed and he was in agreement with the Resolution.
MOTION by Councilman Samuelson to adopt Resolution #5-1970. Seconded by
Councilman Sheridan. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion carried,
Councilman Liebl asked the Pinance Director how much money is involved, The
Finanre Directox said that it was in the neighborhood of $2�O,OQO,
DISCUSSION RL'GARDING OPEN BURNING
Ma�°or Kirkham said he would like to see the Council reactivate their interest
in the Air Pollution Ordinance on which they have already held heaxings.
Councilman Liebl said he had received calls over the last two years regarding
this sub7ect and he wondered if it wouldn't be in order to instruct the
Administration to conduct a feasibility study on a Municipal pick up system�
whether it could be done, and the financial aspects.
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� The City Manager said that Blaine has a Municipal system The charge is
$25 00 a year and they pick up everything, He said he did not know if
they have adopted a burning ordinance. The City Manager said that he has
made a study on taking bids on garbage and trash pickup which is the way
that Columbia Heights is handling theirs
Councilman Liebl said that his bill is $33 or $36 a year and he has to keep
it in front of the garage which a lot of older people can't do. He has
£ound that the people working for these companies are not paid enough to
keep good he1p. He said that Blaine seems to have a satisfactory arrange-
ment, and the homeowners gain.
Mayor Kirkham said that as he sees it now, he would prefer to go out on
bids to keep private enterprise, but if a study shows a municipal system would
be the best - that would be the way to go, He asked the City Manager to
check out the figures for the Council. The City Planager said that he had
discussed this with Blaine but they felt it was still too soon to te11 how
their system was going to work out.
The Fire Prevention Chief was asked if the City was giving out burning
permits. He said that we would issue them, but there are not many calls
for them right now. The City Attorney said that he felt open burning comes
under the 7urisdiction of the Pollution Control Agency and they should be
issuing the perma.ts. The Fire Prevention Chief said that the policy sheet
� on open burning before the Council this evening is only an excerpt out of a
series of orders on air pollution by the Pollution Control Agency, and he
was not familiar with the rest.
Councilman Sheridan asked if there was a defa.nrtion of open burning in the
order. He said he would assume it meant open air burning and burning in
an approved fire container might be classified differently. If this was
the case, the order would affect industrial and commerca.al, but residential
very little He said that if he could assume this, it would allow backyard
burning until such time as the Pollution Control Agency prohibited it, or
until we had a pa.ckup system.
Councilman Liebl said that he felt the City could not say no burning at all
if they don't provide means to have it hauled away, He felt that step was
necessary first. Councilman Sheridan said that he thought most industrial
and commercial do haul theirs away now. He asked if a refuse pickup service
would take care of industry and commercial on a City basis, The Fire
Prevention Chief said that Columbia Heights does not even take multiple
dwellings, they have to have dumpsters, and the owners are responsible that
they are taken care of.
The City Manager said that St, Louis Park has a taxation syseem. He said
thai, the Anoka County Comma.ssioners are conducting a study on a method of
b�ling with a central pick up point.
, Councilman Liebl said that he did not think the Council could take any
further action until they receive more detailed information from the PCA
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The City Attorney said he and the Fire Prevention Chief will get more
information from the Pollution Control Agency on definitions and on their
other orders. The Fire Prevention Chief said they would get in touch with
them and if the City Manager is going to check on Blaine's system, they
should have a report back for the Council in a few weeks.
PUBLIC HEARING ON IMPROVEMENT - WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT NO 98.
Mayor Kirkham read the Notice of Hearing. The City Engineer put the map on
the pro7ection screen showing the area under consideration. He said that
this was a fairly simple construction. He said that we are drilling a well
in this area, and this will be an extension of the main to the well and also
will serve the land platted by the Great Northern Railway Company. He said
rt was a 12" line and if the Council orders it in, they hope to complete the
work to have water available to Great Northern Industrial Center for this
construction season. Councilman Sheridan asked if the new complex coming in
in the northeast corner of this center can be served by the previous line so
they can occupy their complex prior to the installation of this well and line.
The Crty Engineer said that this is possible, but they feel that for this size
plat, they need an additional source of supply.
A representative for the FMC Corporation was present at the Council
Meeting He said that they are interested in the development of th�s area.
He said that they understood that the assessment will be against the airport
property as they felt it should be.
The City Engineer said that Great Northern representatives had said they
would be at this meeting. He suggested they continue the hearing later in
the meeting to give Great Northern a chance to get here.
CONSIDERATION OF CHANGE ORDER #1, WATER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT �95, SCHEDULES
E AND F
The City Engineer explained that the original proposal had been to go
deeper, but they had found the water they need earlier. He said they propose
a new motor and minor work, but the pro�ect will be cut back about $2�000.
Councilman Sheridan asked about the "knock-out panel" listed. The Con�
sulting Engineer explained that the hole had been advanced to 175' and the
1ow bidder was not able to remotely operate the machine, so it was his
expense to replace the wa11 knocked out, but it seemed reasonable to put in
the knock-out panels for any future maintenance. Councilman Liebl asked
how many gallons they are getting from Well #7 and what did the original do.
Mr. Comstock said that it is set up for 1200 gallons a minute, and at the
close, the other we11 was pumping about 500.
MOTION by Councilman Sheridan to authorize the Administration to execute
Change Order No. 1, Water Improvement Project No. 95. Seconded by Council^
man Liebl. Upon a voa.ce vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham declared
the motion carried.
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' COMMUNICATION FROM REPRESENTATIVE OF I-IAYES SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION TO ANOKA
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS�
Mayor Kirkham said he had received a copy of a letter sent to the
Commissioners asking for a pedestrian operated signal for Hayes School
traffic across Mississippi Street They say that the new speed limit of
35 mph has aggravated the problem of children crossing the street.
MOTION by Councilman Sheridan to receive the letter and refer rt to the
Administration to support the request of the school. Seconded by Council-
man Samuelson. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion carried,
The City Engineer said that the Count,y could put in an advisory speed
sign of 30 mph which would slow down the cars in this area, and this
could be done immediately. He pointed out that the pedestrian control
signals are not legal anymore, that we must have full signals. Mayor
Kirkham said that this was a good idea.
DISCUSSION REGARDING FRIDLEY POST OFFICE:
Councilman Liebl said that he would like to suggest that a letter be
written to our Senators and Representatives requesting support to increase
the hours the Post Office in Fridley is open as he felt it should be open
� on Saturdays, and to request bigger facilities, because of the traffic
problem at the present location. Mayor Kirkham said that he thought L-he
Crty could try, but at present the Government is in the process of cutting
down on services rather than enlarging. Councilman Liebl felt that with
our increased population and present industry with increased taxes, Fridley
had the criteria necessary for more service, and a Resolution might get
some action Councilman Sheridan thought it might be a qood idea for some
City Organization to start this request and the Council back them. Mayor
Kirkham agreed that it may be time to start working on this again, and felt
that there should be strong action from commercial companies as well.
Councilman Sheridan said that the mail problems are a sore spot with the
industra.al and commercial developments north of Mississippi as their mail
must come out of Coon Rapids. He suggested that the Chamber of Commerce
be contacted and asked for support.
MOTION by Councilman Liebl that the Administration draw a resolution regarding
a Fridley Post Office to be sent to our government legislators and L-hat the
Chamber o£ Commerce be contacted to give their support. Seconded by
Councilman Sheridan. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, Mayor Kirkham
declared the motion carried.
CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING ON WATER IMPROVPMENT PROJECT NO 98:
Councilman Sheridan saa.d that the term used for the pipe is "water main"
ile asked what portion is to be assessed and iP this area has ever been
� assessed before, shouldn't this be called a lateral?
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The Crty Engineer said that 100o will be assessed, and they are putting in �
a 12" pipe because of the future sprinkler systems and fire demands of the
industrial development of the plat. Councilman Sheridan said he didn't
question the size of the pipe, but the assessment. He said that if this
is to be extended to 43rd Avenue to serve a larger area, it should be part
of our system, and the pipe to serve 7ust this area should be like a
lateral assessment. The City Engineer said that this is only the unprove-
ment hearing, and Great Northern had questioned the possibility of a credit
on the assessment, which could be discussed at the assessment hearing. Mr.
Comstock said that other areas in the City have larqer than 6" pipes pro-
vided because of the demands, and they are 100a assessed. For instance,
Commerce Park and another in Pro7ect 93. He said that in light and heavy
industrial areas, more than 6" pipe will be necessary for fire and
sprinkler systems The definition of a lateral could be a pipe 6" or
larger needed to provide necessary water service.
The representative of Great Northern Railway Company had not arrived at
the Public Hearing which was scheduled for 8:D0 P.M The Public Hearing
was closed at 5-30 P M.
AD.70URNMENT
The Public Hearing and Workshop Meeting of January 12, 1970 was ad7ourned
at 8:30 P M. by Mayor Kirkham.
Respectfully submitted, �
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Mary Lu Strom ' Jack O. Kirkham
Acting Secretary to the Council `-� Mayor
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