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07/13/1970 - 00018676��� TFIE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL PIIBLIC HEARING AND WORKSHOP MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 Mayor Kirkham called the Special Public Hear�ng and Workshop Meeting of July 13, 1970 to order at 7:40 P.M. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Mayor Kirkham lead the Council and the audience in saying the Pledge o� Allegiance to the Flag. ROLL CALL- MEMBERS PRESENT: Breider, Kirkham, Liebl, Harris MEMBERS ABSENT: Sheridan ADOPTION OF AGENDA: Mayor Kirkham said that there was one item to add as follows: Petition No. 9-1970: Requesting Council to Take Any and Al1 Actions that Will Result in the Improvement and General Living Conditions on the Property and Buildings at 6025 3rd Street N.E. He added that some of the items could be taken before the public hearing as it is scheduled for 8:00 P.M. MOTION by Councilman Liebl to adopt the Agenda as amended. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a vmce vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. DISCUSSION REGARDING STATUS OF PROJECT #93 Mr. Comstock of Comstock and Davis, Inc., Consulting Engineers, handed out copies of a letter to the Council under date of July 13, 1970. He said that he had met with the consulting advisor of the bonding company and it appears dif£icult to arrive at a total estimate of funds to complete the work until the existing sanitary sewer work is checked. He felt that it should be examined by televising so as to be able to estimate the cost of repairs to bring the pro7ect up to the specifications. He said that in the discussions with the consultant there are three ways to get the pro7ect completed. One would be to have Noyes complete the work, the second would be for the bonding company to take it over and complete and the third would be for the City crews to complate the work. He felt that by televising the sanitary sewer lines the City would be in a better position to state an estimate to complete the work. Councilman Harris asked i£ this would be a commitment of additional funds from the retainage. Mr. Comstock said that this could be a point of argument after the fact. The bonding company could say that the cost of televising was a needless expense, and that the facility could be tested by normal means. Even so, he felt that this would be the best way to proceed. Councilman Liebl asked how much of the total contract has been paid. Mr. Comstock said that about $116,000 has been paid of a total contract of about $235,000. Councilman Liebl asked if SOo of the work has been completed. � , � � �,� �� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 PAGE 2 � Mr. Comstock said no, about 8�0 of the pipe is in the ground but some of it is not satisfactory. He added that there is about 540D' of the pipe to be televised. Councilman Harris said that it seems that this is the only way to proceed, the course of action for the City is rather limited. The City Attorney said that they feel that they cannot proceed until it is known what shape the pipes are in. He said that the bonding company has shown qurte a bit of interest in this job, and have shown a real intent to work with the City and pay their share. He agreed that there may be an argument about the televising later, but he did not want the City to accept workmanship that they would have trouble with later. Councilman Breider asked when the cleaning could start. Nlr. Comstock said that the work could be started in the morning and the television people have been alerted that if the Council approved this action, they are to start Wednesday morning. MOTION by Councilman Liebl to authorize proceeding according to the recommendations of the Consulting Engineer. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. Councilman Liebl asked if they could expect the project to be completed by the lst of September. Mr. Comstock said that this is a big question mark and once the televising and cleaning is done an estimate of time could be given. He said that he should be able to give an estimate of the amount of time left on the pro7ect in two weeks. He added that perhaps the industries � that are waiting for the facilities, could hook onto the water line, rather than waiting for the completion of the project. There does not seem to be any trouble with the water line. If they hooked on, it would be sub�ect to the City Administration inspection and approval. DISCUSSION REGARDING RETAINING TAX FORFEIT LOTS: The City Engineer said that at the last meeting a map was shown the Council showing some lots that could be retained from the tax forfeit sale for dumping street sweepings and material from construction. There are two lots along Alden Way that Councilman Breider had said that he would check out. He said that he talked to the Parks and Recreation Director and the Park ➢epartment would be very much interested in these lots if the price is right. � Councilman Breider said that he had talked to some of the property owners and they would like to have the lots filled but not necessarily with street sweepings. These two lots are considered unbuildable, but they would give the Park Department access to Alden Way. The people did not feel that dumping street sweepings would be desirable. Mayor Kirkham said that rt sounds more objectionable than it really is. It would be fine sand and good clean fill. Councilman Breider wondered if this would not mean that the sand would be blowing about. The City Engineer pointed out that the City has material that rt must get nd of. No matter where it is put, � someone would be unhappy. He said that a snow fence could be put in to try to keep the sand from blowing. Councilman I3arris said that the lots are too low to benefit the Park Department without the fill. It would seem - silly to purchase tax forfeit lots and also have to buy more fill, when the City needs a place to dump clean fill anyhow. The City Assessor said that the lots would not be appraised very high since they are considered unbuildable. 1 rC SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 PAGE 3 Councilman Breider said that he would not have too much ob�ection so � long as the dumping was kept in an orderly manner and there were no big piles allowed to remain. The City Engineer said that there would be some problem, but the lots have to be fillecl to use. The City Engineer questioned retaining Lot 10, Block 22 in Donnays Addition. This is a stretch of property that could be used for entrance onto 7th 5treet. Now service is only from T.H. #65 at Moore Lake. This could be retained as public right of way for future development for access onto 7th Street. He asked how much this would cost. The City Assessor said about $6000 to $7000. Councilman Harris pointed out that this would not be a drive-in theater forever. He said that there would be more and more traffic generated. Wou1d this be a way to avoid channelling all the traffic back onto T.H. '�65? Councilman Liebl said that this is a long narrow stretch of land that the City could use as right of way. It could be a sound investment �o hold in abeyance. The City Engineer said that it would have to be part of a total plan involving the whole parcel. Whoever develops it would have to provide access onto 7th Street. The City could be spending $6000 for public right of way that is not necessary. It would be up to the developer to develop the property. Councilman Harris said that he hated to see a piece of property remain dormant and continue to be a maintenance problem. He suggested alerting the property owner to the south with the suggestion that it be purchased and added to the parcel. The City Assessor said that the property owner to the south ss interested in the land, but he did not know to what extent. Councilman Liebl said that the only one who � would benefit is the man owning the drive-in theater and he is the one that properly should pick up the land. The City Assessor said that this lot has already been released. Councilman Harris asked that if the lot is not picked up at the auction, that the Council be apprised so that they may reconsider acquiring it. The City Assessor said that he would make it a special point to call the County the next day after the sale to see if the lot was acquired by somebody. The City Engineer said that regardinq the lots on Pierce Street, Councilman Sheridan had said that he would look at the lots. He said that he did not seem to favor the idea as this is a nice residential neighborhood and there a.s a very steep bank. Unless Councilman Sheridan told any of the Council differently, he would recommend that these lots be released. MOTION by Councilman Harris to retain those lots on Alden Way and south of 69th Avenue as outlined on the map submitted by the City Engineer, and release those on Pierce Street. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. Mayor Kirkham brought up the question of what to do with unbuildable 40' tas delinquent lots_ He wondered if there has ever been any cases where the assessments were forgiven, so that the lots could be picked up by the ad�oining property owners who could not afford to pay the old assessments. In this way they could be gotton onto the tax rolls. The City Engineer said that the assessments could be re-spread, but to his knowledge they have � never been forgiven. He said that the Administration could research this more and report back. Mayor Kirkham said that he knew of cases where the ad�oining property owner would like to pick up a tax delinquent lot but cannot afPord the assessments. � � � SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13� 1970 PUBLIC HEARING Olv STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1971-1 AND ST. 1971-2 PAGE 4 Mayor Kirkham read the public hearing notice aloud for the benefit of the audience, and said that these streets are part of the City's 10 year street improvement program. Councilman'Harris added that these streets would be constructed in the construction year of 1971 with the assessment going on the 1972 rolls. He added that any street could be accelerated into an earlier construction year if the people so desired as the cost of con- struction is going higher every year. It could be to their advantage to do them sooner than scheduled, rather than waiting for the scheduled year. Street: 410 feet West of East River Road to East River Road Street. 100 feet East of Broad Avenue to East River Road Dover Street, 100 feet East of Broad Avenue to 45D feet to the East and 300 feet North to Elv Street Altura Road: 53rd Avenue to Horizon Drive Mr. Michael Lewkowicz, 5407 Altura Road N.E., asked why the estimated cost is $14.95 when a few years ago it was many dollars less. The sewer is already in. Mayor Kirkham said that this is only an estimated price and there has not been an actual bid as yet. The Engineering Department anti- cipates the cost. If the actual cost is less, that is the amount that the people will be assessed. Mr. Lewkowicz asked about the City park. Mayor Kirkham said that the City park is assessed to the City of Fridley. Councilman Liebl said that the estimated cost for Altura Road is $14.05. The City Manager added that the bids have gone up about 25%. Mr. Lewkowicz said that their land is in the same condition as any other street, so why is it more, Mayor Kirkham said that this is all done by open bid. Mr Lewkowicz said that he thought that the price was way out of line. He asked why some streets are higher than others. The City Engineer said that it depends on the soil condita.ons and the lay of the land. This is also a curved street and is assessed somewhat differently. The proposal is to add some catch basins to catah the water so it does not run so far. These things all affect the total cost of the street. Whatever the total cost of the street is, after it is bid, will be the amount assessed to each property owner. Hopefully this estimate is high. He said that they try to keep the estimates high so the people will not be misled and upset when the bids come in. The cost of construction has been going up at a fantastic rate. Mr. Lewkowicz said that maybe it should be let go for another five years, the costs are bound to level off sometime. Councilman Harris said that as the Mayor indicated this is an improvement hearing not an assessment hearing. He pointed out that when a project is laid out, streets are grouped together in the same general area to try to keep the costs to the contractor down. This saving is passed on to the property owners_ He added that there wi11 probably be about 20 invitations to bid sent out. Mr. Lewkowa.cz asked if that estimate includes the cost of the storm sewer work and the City Engineer said that it did. � �� � ��� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13� 1970 A11ey between University & 4th Street: 53rd Avenue to 54th Avenue 4th Street: 53rd Avenue to Outerdrive of Interstate #694 PAGE 5 Al1ey between 4th Street & 5th Street: 54th Avenue to Interstate #694 Outerdrive Mr. Glenn Mostoller, 5�20 5th Street N.E. asked what was proposed for the alley. The City Engineer said that the work proposed is to put down a gravel base underneath, then blacktop it. Mr, Mostoller said that his trouhle in the past has been to get the City to snowplow the alley. He got a tag last year from the Health Officer because the garbage was not picked up, but the garbage haulers could not get down the alley. Councilman Harris said that the City does not maintain alleys that are not improved. Mr. Mostoller said that he would be assessed both in the back and the front and his assessment would be quite high. He could not see what he got for his tax dollar. Councilman Harris informed him that 11C of every dollar is taxes to the Crty and for that he gets police protection, fire protection, parks, etc. This would be an assessment, not a tax. Mr. Mostoller said that last winter the City Police Department would not allow cars to park on the street, but they could not get into the alley because it was not plowed. Councilman Harris said that this would correct the situation, as improved alleys are maintained. He pointed out that if the plows tried to plow unimproved alleys, they would damage their equipment. Mr. Mostoller said that his llt should buy something. Mayor Kirkham said that street and alley improvements are assessable and they do not come from general t� money. With the black- topping, the alley will qualify for snowplowing. Mr. Mostoller asked if there was any storm sewer work. The City Engineer said that the storm sewer was already in. Councilman Harris pointed out that in the public heairng notice rt specifies all the necessary improvements, as a standard form is used and some streets need some additional work, such as storm sewer or sanrtary sewer. Sth Street 53rd Avenue to 54th Avenue Mr. Richard Byexs, 5300 Sth Street N.E.� asked the cost o£ the improvement and he was told that the estimated cost was $14.90 per foot. Mr. Byers asked why the rest of the area is not included in this pro�ect. The City Engineer explained that 5th Street north of 54th Avenue is already under contract for this year. He said that he was not notified that 5th Street was going to be improved. Councilman Harris asked if he was buying under contxact, and Mr. Byer said yes. Councilman Harris said that the listing for sending out the notices is received from the County and they list the fee owner. Mrs. Ervin Layland, 5331 Sth Street N.E., said that she understood that this was for curb, gutter and street and the cost was $14.90 per foot. Mayor Kirkham said yes She asked if that estimate included everything and the City Engineer said yes. She then asked the cost of the alley and was told $2.37 per foot, and that it would be maintained. � � � � � � SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 Alley between 5th Street & 6th 5treet: 53rd Avenue to 54th Avenue PAGE 6 Mr. Earl Mi11er, 401 53rd Avenue N.E., said that he could see no purpose for this alley to go through. There are two garages that use the alley now, so the improved alley would be in the nature of a private driveway. The rest of the garages use the street entrance. Councilman Harris explained that normally when there is work to be done in an area, an opportunity is given for all the work to be done necessary in that area, as it can be done cheaper when the contractor is in the neighborhood. It is presented as an option if the people are interested in pursuing it. Mrs. Layland said that they have to have the garbage cans sitting in the front so that they would be picked up. She felt that there was a definite need for the alley, and that it was a good price. Councilman Liebl said that there are a lot of tickets given in this area and if the alley is improved and maintained by the City crews, it should take care of the garbage problems and the problemS with the snow plow, He felt that if the improve- ment went in, it would be a help to the whole block. 6th Street: 53rd Avenue to 54th Avenue Councilman Harris commented that the cost of this street per foot is $14.90, as it is with the other streets in this neighborhood. 54th Avenue: 130 feet West of 4th Street to Sth Street Councilman Liebl asked if there would be any trouble with the water drainage. The City Engineer said that the storm sewer would take care of it. There are catch basins planned. The catch basins now do not take care of the water because it is a dirt street. Mayor Kirkham informed the audience that the Council does not take action on any of these streets at the public hearinq meeting. Action will be at a subsequent meeting. Councilman Liebl said that in the next week, he will check out these streets and reva.ew the comments made at this meeting. On occasion, streets are deleted by the Council because of hardship cases. These streets are in the 10 year street mprovement program, and there must be a public hearing held. He said that he would also check the people's tax problems. Upgrading the streets in the area, brings about an increase in property value, and would also take care of some of the complaints generated from this area. MOTION by Councilman Liebl to close the public hearing on St. 1971-1. Seconded by Councilman Sreider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the public hearing closed at 9:00 P.M. Street Improvement Pro7ect St. 1971-2 Gardena Avenue: Central Avenue to Arthur Street Mr. Richard French, 1469 Gardena Avenue N.E., asked if this would be a wider than normal residential street. He said that Gardena Avenue is a drag strip and the speeding is quite a problem. He said that his personal feeling is that if the road is improved, the speeding would be worse. Most of the people up and down Gardena Avenue are interested in a standard l�J 1�� SPECIAI, COUNCIL MEETING OF JULY 13, 197D PAGE 7 residential street. The City Engineer said that the proposal is to keep the same width as the existing Width of about 40' blacktop plus curb and gutter. Mr. French asked about the drainage coming from Grace High School. Unless the drainage is taken care of the street would not last. Mayor Kirkham said that this street is intended to be permanent, so the drainage would be taken care of, along with curb and gutter. Mr. Bailey Tiller, 1535 Gardena Avenue N.E., asked if �ust because the street is in the 10 year street improvement program, does this mean that it cannot change. Councilman Liebl said that this is the reason for the public hearing; to hear the wishes of the people affected. He said that he did realize that interest is very high. Mr. Tiller asked why there was never a sealer put on every two years to preserve the old Gardena Avenue. He said that he would have liked to see the old street saved. He said that there was never a sealer put on the stxeet. The City Manager explained that one of the reasons for the 10 year street improvement program is to eliminate putting a sealer on a street that is scheduled to be torn up the following year. This would be a waste of tax money. Mr. Tiller said that if the street had received a sealer, it would not be in the condition it is in. He pointed out that there are some people living on Gardena with a limited income and this assessment would hurt them. It seems that people cannot afford to keep their homes when they retire. He said that he knew of no one that was in favor of the sidewalks. He pointed out that on Mississippi the children still walk on the street, so sidew�lks are not the answer. The children do not have to walk on any sidewalks to get to Gardena School, there are other walkways provided and paid for by the school. It �ould be cheaper to bus them than to put in the sidewalks. He added that from Arthur Street, the water will run the other way, towards Stinson. Nir. Robert Gunville, 1110 Gardena Avenue N.E. said that he was speaking for about 24 property owners and would like to present a petition. He then read the petition aloud. PETITION N0. 9-1970 - IN FAVOR OF THE STREET IMPROVEMENT� BUT TO TAE PROPOSED SIDEWALKS ON GARDENA AVENUE MOTION by Councilman Harris to receive Petition No. 9-1970. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kixkham declared the motion carried. Mr.French said that he had covered every home but one, on the north side of Gardena from Central to Arthur and the people were unanimously objecting to the sidewalks. Councilman Liebl said that he had walked up Gardena Avenue and he felt that the street must be put in. Mr. French agreed, there was almost unanimous approval of the street improvement. It was only the sidewalk that the people ob7ected to. It is felt that there would not be adequate room for snow storage, and the children still would not be using the sidewalks. Gardena is centrally located and there are blacktopped walkways in a wagon wheel fashion for the children to walk on. They are already there and have been paid fox by tax money. Mr. Joe Randall, 5901 Central Avenue Ni E. said that he lives on Mississippi Street and his mother lives on Gardena and spoke in opposition to the sidewalks. He said that he did not feel �hat the sidewalks were a success on Mississippi 5txeet. � �� � i`�l SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF SULY 13, 1970 PAGE 8 � Mr. Glenn Lillmars, 1561 Gardena Avenue N.E., said that he lives between Arthur and the City line and received a notice, and wondered if he was in the pro7ect. The City Engineer said �that if the water runs toward Stinson, he would not be in the assessment area. He asked why not do the rest of Gardena this year. The City Engineer said that this area is in the worst shape. They felt that the rest o£ Gardena could stand another year of wear. If the residents want the rest done, it could be added into the construction project. He said chat the assessment is $13.38 per foot and there is some additional cost being picked up from state aid funds. He added that there could be state aid money for the sidewalks. Mrs. Hazel O'Brien, 1080 Gardena Avenue N.E. asked what happens when the sidewalks need repair. Mayor Kirkham answered that this problem has never come up as yet. Mrs. O'Brien said that she was not in favor of the side- walks. Mr. French asked how the storm sewer districts would be determined. He said that about 1/3 of his lot drains toward the street and 2/3 is held in the back yard. The City Engineer said that this storm sewer district is basically to take care of Gardena Avenue. He added that everyone is in one storm sewer district or another, and also it is possible to have one property in two drainage districts. Mr. French said that he did not mind paying for storm sewer to take care of the water that would contribute to the erosion of Gardena Avenue The City Engineer said that this district � is only to eluninate the erosion of Gardena Avenue. Mr. Tiller felt that the hole by Grace High School would hold back a lot of the water and it would cause no problem. Mr. Rober� Sather, 5927 Central Avenue N.E. said that he received a notice and wondered if he was in any assessment area. The City Assessor said yes, he would receive a sicie yard assessment. Councilman Harris then explained the policy with side yard assessments, and advised the audience that if they wished to know their individual assessments to call the City Assessor �he next day. Mr. Raymond Renner, 1564 Gardena Avenue N.E. said that he assumed that the same would apply to ha.m, in that he would not be in the storm sewer assess- ment area if the water drained toward Stinson, and the City Enga.neer said that this was correct. West Moore Lake Drive. Carol Drive to 136 feet East of Baker Avenue Mr. Sol Gunzburger, 6209 Baker Avenue N.E. said that he received a nota.ce but his street is already in and wondered what was proposed. The City Engineex said that he received a notice because of the sidewalks. Mr. Gunzburger felt that his land was already ruined with the putting in of the street. He said that the sidewalks would be put in over h�.s dead body: � Councilman Liebl asked the audience for an expression of their sentiment in regard to putting in the street improvement. The Fire Department feels that it is in bad shape and should be replaced. Nlr. Gunzburger said that the block between Baker and University is a race track. This street has been graded three times and blacktopped three times since he has lived there. He said that when he bought this pxoperty there was nevex any talk of a sidewalk. �11�� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OE JULY 13, 1970 PAGE 9 Mr. Don Savelkoul, 916 West Moore Lake Drive N.E., asked what Was being � proposed in respect to the sidewalks. The City Engineer said that there would be some money available from state aid funds to put the sidewalks on the people's property. Then there would be no assessment, as the state aid money could be used. This is something new and has not been done before. Mr. Savelkoul asked if sidewalks are proposed for both sides. The City Engineer said thaL this is the proposal, but it depends on what the people want. Mapbe a s'idewalk on the north side only could be a solution. The north side is needed more than on the south side. Mr. Gunzburger said that the children walk in the streets. Mr. Savelkoul said that he moved to his place in 1958 and at that time it was a nice residential neighborhood. Subsequently, the traffic has greatly increased and changed the complexion of the area. Now there are heavy trucks using the street. He said that he realized traffic patterns do change, but he did not feel that the residents should have to pay for this change. The road would still be in good shape i£ it only received the normal residential traffic West Moore Lake Drive has become a speedway. He said that he ha�s already paid for a street, now conditions have changed and he is being asked to pay for a new up-graded street. This street was torn up to put in water and sewer to sexve people in a different area, then it was patched up. This changing trend on the use of the street is something beyond the control of the residents. Now new conditions will be imposed by reason of it bea.ng a state aid road. The sidewalks would not benefit these people. He said that he would have been � happier i£ this whole change never came about. He did not feel that the resa.dents should have to pay for a condition they did not bring about. They have already paid their fair share. As far as sidewalks are concerned, he felt that it was unanimous, as it was with the people on Gardena, that the people were opposed to them. He said that the children would not use them and they would not be kept up and it would not be a wise expenditure of public funds. Councilman La.ebl said that as the pro�ect is laid out the proposal is for sidewalks on both the north and south sides of the street. He said that�he did not feel that there was enought right of way for this. Traffic constantly increases, and there are more people living in Fridley than in 1958. He said that he felt that the street should be improved however. This has been designated as a state aid street and the City may use state aid funds. The street would cost $13.92 per foot and the side yard would be $1.70 per foot. The sidewalks are proposed for the protection of the children. Mr. Savelkoul ob7ected to paying $13.92 per foat for the street. Councilman Harris commented that it has been his experience that whether a road is good or not does not seem to affect the amount of traffic. He asked Mr. Savelkoul if he had any suggestions for the control of the speed, since he had complained of it being a speedway. Mr. Savelkoul said that there is a certain kind of driver that you cannot control, but he thought that there could be "Slow" signs, or maybe a three way stop sign. He also suggested more patrolling. The City Engineer said that the City could put � up signs indicating that the roadway is curved. He said that this street was dug up in 1961 and patched as Mr. 5avelkoul said, but this is not the only reason rt is bad. This area has a high water table and this affects the life of a street. There are quite a few streets that were paved that gear that are now being redone. This pro7ect was proposed in 1966 and at that i�� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13� 1970 PAGE 10 � time people did not want the improvement. At that time the estimated improvement was $8.47 per foot, so there has been over a SOo increase in cost in the last four years. The trend is that construction costs are going up faster than the cost of living. He explained that the 10 year program is so that everyone will eventually have a street up to City standards. Maintenance funds come from the general tas dollar and it is not fair for those that have paid for a street to also have to pay for someone elses street, through maintenance funds, because they do not want the assessment. Once the streets are in to City standards, they are treated and seal coated to try to lengthen their life. Mr. Savelkoul said that he felt that the residents should be responsible for normal residential use but not for the extra wear and tear £rom the trucks etc. The usual standards of neiqhborhood traffic do not apply. This is an unequitable proposal and he would be opposed to the $13.92 per foot assessment. Mrs. Warren Hanson,said that she lived next door to Don Savelkoul and the statement was made that the curve would act as a traffic deterrent. She felt that this was not true as every year there are cars that end up in her front yard, and there are always several collisions in front of her house. The City Engineer said that the point was that curbing was needed to help contain the cars and keep them out of her front yard. � Councilman Harris suggested that some control over the traffic could be done by a three way stop between T.H. #65 and Ab1e Street. Between 61st and IIniversity the traffic is slowed down by the stop sign on 7th Street The City Engineer said that he would study this and look over the accident records of the Police Department. Mr. Francis Van Dan, 6342 Baker Avenue N.E., said that he had the south � of Lot 10 and the north ; of Lot 11 and he did not think that he should be assessed. The City Assessor said that there was an assessment � way up the block. Mr. Van Dan said that at one time 61st and West Moore Lake Drive were county roads. The City Engineer said that they were not to his knowledge. Mr. Van Dan said that he would have to agree that it was a race track. He suggested a"School Zone" sign, or limiting the speed to 15 miles per hour, as there is a complex of three schools in the vicinity. He suggested that it could be made one way to the church. This would be somewhat of a hardship, but it would reduce traf£ic to the residents. Mrs Don Savelkoul said that in regard to sidewalks, all the children are bused to Rice Creek School. All the children across T.H. #65 are bused. There is getting to be fewer and fewer children that walk to schools. The Senior Aigh students drive cars and there are only a few Sunior High that walk. She said that she could see no point in sidewalks, and did not want to lose any of her land. Mr. Warren Hanson, 900 West Moore Lake Drive N.E., said that he would like � to add his ob7ection to the proposed sidewalks also. Mr. A. Amerslav, 870 West Moore Lake Drive N.E., said that he would aqree with his neighbors. The street is needed, but the sidewalks are not. t �>� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13� 1970 PAGE 11 Mr. Richard Anderson, 861 West Moore Lake Drive N.E., said that he agreed � that the street needed fixing, although he must also agree with Mr. Savelkoul. This street is not strictly a residential street, there is too much traffic. He felt that a three way stop sign at Able might help to control the traffic. He said that he did not understand why the proposal for the sidewalks. Shey would go out to T.H. #65 and quit at the Highway. Councilman Harris said that the sidewalks were part of an overall plan that includes a controlled access at that intersection. Mr. Anderson asked if there were any plans for sidewalks for Able or Baker. Mayor Kirkham said not to his knowledge. Mr. Anderson asked how wide the street was going to be and how much boulevard there is for the sidewalks. The City Engineer said that the street would be the same width as by the St. Philips Church. 2£ the same procedure fox the sidewalks is followed, the property would be given by the property owner and then they would not be assessed. The sidewalks would then be on the property owner`s land. If the land is not given freely, he would recommend that there not be sidewalks as there would be no room for snow storage. Usually 8' is needed in the boulevard, but there have been cases where sidewalks have been put in with less. Mr. Anderson asked if there was considerable amount of objections, could the City condemn. The City Engineer said that they do have that right. The sidewalk program was adopted in con7unction with the schools, and this sidewalk was in the plans. A resident asked about the drainage. The City Engineer said that the system was installed when the rest of West Moore Lake Drive was paved � in 1966. The storm sewer system is already provided for. The resident said that he also would ob�ect to the sidewalks. He felt that he would not be able to maintain the grass because of the salt used, and the grass would not grow in the bou2evard area. Mayor Kirkham suggested 7ust putting the sidewalks on the north side of the street and off centering the street within the right of way. The City Engineer said that there was only 60' right of way here, but it could probably be worked out. Mr. Stan Carlson, 6219 Saker Street N.E. said that he agreed with his neighbors on the sidewalks. He said that he could see no good use during the school year, when they would be needed, they would be covered with snow. The sidewalks by the church are not cleared. Consideration must be given to how to clean and maintain them once they are put in. A resident from the area said that he belonged to St. Philips Church and they have found it impossible to keep their sidewalk cleared in winter. He said that he was not in favor of sidewalks, and he thought that the City would have trouble getting land from the north side of the street. MOTION by Councilman Harris to close the public hearing on Street Improve- ment Pro7ect St. 1971-2 (MSAS). The motion was seconded and upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried and the public hearing closed at 10:20 P.M. � RECESS: Mayor Kirkham declared a recess from 10:20 to 10:40 P.M. � ���� SPECIAL PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 PAGE 12 � RECEIVTNG CON➢EMNATION #31257 - PROJECTS: PARK AND RECREATIONAL PURPOSES AND #30855 - PROJECTS• STREET IMPROVEMENT: The City Attorney reported that in his opinion the City should not appeal, as he felt they could not do any betteY through an appeal. Councilman Harxis commented that the City is now owners per se of this property The City Attorney said that possibly the City could abandon the condemnation, but he was not sure if this was entixely legal. Councilman Harris said that he felt that the land was a qood buy at this price. MOTION by Councilman Liebl to authorize transfer o£ funds from the emergency general fund to the Parks and Recreation fund, and payment of the commissioners fees for Condemnation #31257 and #30855 Seconded by Councilman Brea.der. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. A. RAYMOND RENNER REQUEST FOR REMOVAL FROM ASSESSMENT - PROSECT SS. 1971-2 (MSAS) MOTION by Councilman Haxris to receive the corc¢nunication from Ra1mond Renner, 1564 Gaxdena Avenue, dated July 7, 1970. Seconded by Councilman � Liebl. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirham declared the motion carried. RECEIVING PETITTON NO. 10-1970 REQUESTING COUNCIL TO TAKE ANY AND ALL ACTIONS THAT WILL RESULT IN THE IMPROVEMENT AND GENERAL LIVING CONDITI�NS ON THE PROPERTY AND BUILDINGS AT 6025 3RD STREET N.E.: MOTION by Councilman Liebl to receive Petition No. 10-1970 and instruct the Inspectors to check out this property and report back on the condition and give the people sufficient time to correct the condrtion. Seconded by Councilman Brea.der. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. REPDRT ON WATER LINE IN HICKORY DRIVE• � The City Engineer explained that the Council pxeviously authorized giving the contract for the repair of the 7oints in the water line to G.L. Contracting Inc 5ince then his department has found that there is more repair necessary than was anticipated. He suggested that the laying of the new line in Hickory Ca.rcle could be put into the street improvement pro�ect (although it would not be assessed) and have that contractor do this work, and have G.L. Contracting Inc. continue to replace the 7oints Councilman Liebl asked if this would save any money. The City Engineer said no, it would 7ust be splitting up the work to elitninate letting another contract. Councilman Liebl said that this would have to be done befoxe the new street � is put in anyhow. He asked what preventions were going to be taken to forestall this happening again. The City Engineer said that the 4" line in Hickory Circle was going to be incxeased to 6" so that it could .Ue flushed and the �oints are going to be wxapped with polyethylene. Council- man Breider asked how much the new line would cost. The City �ngineer said that rt would be over $3500 and would not be assessable, as rt would be in the nature of a repair. i ki �� SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING OF JULY 13, 1970 PAGE 13 MOTION by Councilman Harris to authorize the City Engineer to proceed as he has outlined Seconded by Councilman Breicler. Upon a voice vote, al.l voting aye, Mayor Kirkham declared the motion carried. TOUR OF MEDTRONICS: Mayor Kirkham reported that he received a call from Medtronics and they have offered to conduct a tour of their plant for the Council and Department Heads at our convenience. It was agreed to accept the offer and the date of July 21, 1970 (TUesday) at 7:30 P.M. was set. ADJOURNMENT: There being no further business, Mayor Kirkham declared the Special Public Hearing and Workshop Meeting of July 13, 197D adjourned at 10:47 P.M. Respectfully submitted, �r L� �itf �.�v� . ✓' Juel Mercer Secretary to the City Council Gt!-li��(% �✓7/"' �� G ack O. Kirkham Mayor � ' �l