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THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF NOVEMBER 13, 1972 �
The Public Hearing Meeting of the Fridley City Council was called to order at
7 38 P. M., November 13, 1972
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE•
Mayor Lieb1 led the Council and the audience in saying the pledge of ALlegiance
to the Flag.
ROLL CALL
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mittelstadt, Breider, Lieb1, Utter
MEMBERS AbSENT None
ADOPTION OF AGENDA
Mayor Liebl said he would like to suggest the folLowing changes and additions•
Move the appointment of Wallace Starwalt to the first item under New Business.
Add: Resolution regarding building requirements for physically handicapped.
Add An Ordrnance amending Ordinance ��435 - Sunday Liquor.
Add Resolution authorizLng and directing the recertification of the ,
ST. 1968-1B street improvement for 71st Avenue on Parcel 4800,
Section 11. (Minnesota Transfer Railway Property)
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to adopt the Agenda as amended. Seconded by
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, a11 ayes, Mayor Lieb1 declared the motion
carried unaaimously.
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to commend its Chairman and Mayor of the City
of Fridley, Frank G. Lieb1, for his steadfastness during the past year in the
face of constant adversity from both the left wing coalit�,on in Fridley and the
interference in the process of 1oca1 representative government by Sun Newspapers,
Inc and Hubbard Broadcasting, Inc. They have a11 tried their level hest in
totally confusing and polarizing the citizens of this community by insisting
that 1oca1 government be run by referendum and not by representative government.
Mayor Frank G. Liebl has maintained the integrity of this Council throughout
this battle and the interference from these groups. We as Councilmen are proud
to have served with him.
Councilman Breider asked what was the point of this motion, Councilman Mittelstadt
replied that it is to declare publicly what has happened in the past year and how
Mayor Lieb1 has retaLned his integrity throughout the year,
THERE BEING no second to the motion, Mayor Liebl declared the MOTION DIES FOR
LACK OF A SECOND.
PUBLIC HEARING ON STREET IMPROVEMENT PRO.TECT ST. 1973-1 AND ST. 1973-2 (MSAS) �
Mayor Liebl asked the City Manager to read the public hearing notice aloud. The
Mayor then announced that the streets will be taken in the order they appear in
the notice the audience received.
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1 78th Avenue; A11ey Between Hickory Street and Beech Street to Main Street
The City Engineer showed the location on the overhead pro�ector and said that
this improvement is for concrete curb and gutter and a 36' pavement The
estimated cost per foot Ls $20.15 with an estimated side yard assessment of
$6.07. By previous Council action, if there is any cost incurred with the
temporary roadway that can be credited toward this permanent improvement, it
will be indicated, and the quoted estimate would then be lower. The estimated
credLt Ls $2860.40. The City Engineer explained to the audience that Fridley
tries to 1et the bids during the winter so that better prices can be obtaLned.
If the bids come in lower than these estimates, that is the price the people
wi11 pay, or whatever the actual cost of the improvement is
77th Avenue: Main Street to Ranchers Road
The CiCy Engineer said that this street and Ranchers Road is in East Ranch
Estates Second Addition. The cost of this street and Ranchers Road Ls $71,019.10
for an estimated front foot assessment of $23.99 and a side yard assessment oi
$3.55.
Mr. Dick Harris asked why these two streets were higher than 78th Avenue The
City Engineer explained that the street wi11 be a little wider and also the
soil conditions are not as good Mr. Harris said that there has already been
some fi11 put in and the City Engineer replied that if there is a saving, it wi11
be passed on. Mr. Harris asked if this is for concrete curb and gutter a1so,
1 and if it is, is it wlse to �ut it in now� The City Engineer said yes, curb
and gutter are included at the request of the developer,
81st Avenue: Beech Street to Main Street•
The City Engineer said that this street, along with the past two and the
following three are a11 industrial roads to serve an industrial area. The
estimated cost per front foot is $23.98 with the side yard $2.61 per foot.
Beech Street 79th Avenue to 81st Avenue;
The CiCy Engineer reported that the price for thLS street is the same as for the
last.
A11� (Between Beech Street and Hickorv Street) 78th Avenue to 79th Avenue
The CiCy Engineer pointed out the location and said that the estimated cost
was $5 14 per front foot.
Ranchers Road 77th Avenue to 79th Avenue•
The City Engineer said that the cost for this street is the same as for 77th Avenue
which was $23.99 per front foot.
University Avenue West Service Road South line of East Ranch Estates
2nd Addition to 79th Avenue; �
The City EngLneer reported that tlie estimated cost of this improvement is $27.63
per front foot It is fully petitioned for and is part of the plat
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41st Avenue California Street N Main Street
California Street 41st Avenue to 200 Feet South
The City Engineer suggested that these two streets could be considered together
as they are in the same area and the same price. The estimate for these streets
is $9.17 per front foot with the side yard $2.01 per foot The City Engineer
said that these two streets were some of the few left unpaved, and would only
serve a few homes.
Mr. Anthony Pikus, 4036 Main Street N. E., said that 41st is only about z block
long and is a dead end street, so he could not see why it should be paved. When
the berm was put in by the railroad, they were supposed to take care of the
water coming off, but they have not done it The City Engineer said that once
the street is paved the drainage wi11 be taken care of. Mayor Lieb1 asked if
there is included in this proposed assessment some storm sewer work. The City
Engineer said yes, and pointed out that there is a sizeable assessment against
the railroad property. Whenever pavement is proposed, the utilities must be
taken care of first. Mr. Pikus said that he had Lots 4 and 5 7ust north of
41st and the street only serves four people. Mayor Liebl said that his pro-
posed assessment is $545.94. The cost, after the pro�ect is 1et is usually
lower and very occasionally it is higher The City Engineer explained that
the City dLd adopt a 10 year street improvement program in an attempt to get
al1 the streets paved over a certain length of time. Sending the graders down
is an extra burden and costs the taxpayers money that have already paid for
their streets Mr. Pikus said that he did not see the point of having the
street paved, but he did want the drainage taken care of.
The City �ngineer explained that the purpose of the 10 year street improvement
program is that it is unfair for those people paying for good streets also
paying for those people that have substandard streets that constantly need
maintenance These two streets are proposed as an extension of that program.
If these streets are ever going to be paved, he would encourage the people to
do it as soon as possible because costs of construction have been increasing
much faster than the cost of living.
Mr. Henry Zimmer, 4021 California Street, saLd he ob�ected to having the street
put in. He said, as to maintenance, he has maintained the street since 1969 and
that he shovels dirt into the hoLes in the street. He said he did not think the
improvement was worth the cost
Mr. Sack Heron, Burliagton Northern, Inc., said that the railroad owns Lots 6-10,
and that the railroad was opposed to this pro�ect a1so, and if these people do
not favor the pro�ect, he did not see any reason for the work being ordered in.
He said the railroad has power lines going to a ma.crowave tower presently situated
in this area and the improvement of QaLifornia Street, they fee1, wi11 interfere
with these lines. He would like to state, on behalf of Burlington Noithern, Inc.
that they are opposed at this time, but would like the opportunity to withdraw
theLr ob�ection at some future date
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to receive the formal protest from Burlington
Narthern, Inc., signed by H. A. Knudsen, its Director of Property Taxes, and
dated November 13, 1972. Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, a11
ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
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� Mrs. Darlene Austin, 10 - 41st Avenue N. E., added her ob,7ection by saying that,
"she didn't want Lt, didn't need it and couldn't afford it "
The Attorney for the estate of Mabe1 F. Gadbois questioned whether there would be
any condemnation of the prqperty from the estate. The City Engineer saLd no,
there are no pLans fox acquiring any of that property, however, they do plan on
acquiring some railroad propertq. He added this wou]d be a normal residential
street, and would be assessed against the Gadbois estate as abutting property
The Attorney stated he would regLSter the same ob�ection the other property
owners did, the xeason beLng no need
Horizon Drive; 3rd Street to 53rd Avenue
Capitol Street• Main Street to Hughes Avenue
Hughes Avenue, Panorama Avenue to Horizon DrLVe
Clearview Lane: Panorama Avenue to Horizon Drive
Topper Lane: Horizon Drive to 300 feet south
Panorama Avenue: Main Street to 3rd Street
Gibzaltar Road; Roman Road to 550 feet west
Pi1ot Avenue• Main Street to Roman Road
Roman Road 49th Avenue to Panorama�Avenue
Mayor Lieb1 suggested that the above streets could al1 Ue consLdered together
since they are in the same general srea and have the same cost. The estimated
cost for the improvement of these streets is $13.60 with a side yard assessment
� of $2.34. He asked if there is any cost in regard to taking care of the run-off
water. The City Engineer said that these streets were lumped together so the
cost would be uniform and so that all the streets in the ar;�a would be done at
-- one time. Whenever a street is improved, the underground work is taken care of
first. In this area there is strrm sewer pipe, and the improvement includes the
addition of more inlets into that,pi_pe There are some problems with the
sanitary sewer lines in this area. They were laid in the eaxly 50's and are at
a very flat grade. The people on Capitol Street have had trouble with their
sanitary sewer.
Gouncilman Mittelstadt vexLfied this and said that he has had many calls from
the people on Capitol Street stating they do not want the street paved until
the utilities are corrected. Councilman Breider said thal he would assume this
would come out of the utility fund. The City Engineer said yes, it would not
be assessed. He went on to explain that the basic problem is with the grade,
this cannot be changed as there is only so much fa11, but the roots can be taken
out and any dips in the line eliminated They wi11 do as much as is economically
feasible within the limits of practicalLty.
Mayor LZeb1 said there were some storm sewer problems and asked how the water
would get out of the low spots. The City Engineer said that there were already
two systems installed Ln this area, one north and one south of Panorama Avenue.
Before these systems were installed there was a lot of trouble in these areas
When the new systems were installed it minimized the proUlems, and now with this
proposed improvement, there would �ust be the addition of catch basins along
the curbing to provLde additional inlets into the pipe already Ln existance
The outlet is still limited, because of its capacity, but the water wi11 drain
eventually. There is only so much that can be done with the line. Mayor Liebl
asked what direction the water w�11 draia. The Crty EngLneer said that south of
Panorama, the lines go south and eventually into the river North of Panorama,
the water would run north into the line under I.694 and from there it goes to the
xiver.
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Councilman Breider asked how would this area compare with the grade and drainage �
problem east of Hartmaa Circle. The City Engineer said it would be about the
same, you cannot change the grade because the houses are already built. CounciL-
man Breider asked if there were any complaints from the Hartman Circle area and
the City Engineer replied no.
Mayor Lieb1 said that the people want to be assured that the system will work
once the roads are installed. He asked what type of road it would be. The
City Engineer said that they would be the same as those installed north of
53rd Avenue and south oi- 49th They wi11 have concrete curb and gutter with a
crown in the center of the roadway.
Mr. Donald Breza, 5221 Caprtol Street N. E., said that every time it rains there
is a lake on the corner of Hughes and Capitol. The City Engineer said that this
is because of the limited inlet capacity and pipe size. The water cannot drain
quickly and must stand for a while
Mr. Oliver 01son, 5237 Capitol Street N. E., said that it seemed to him that
the sanitary sewer would have to be relaid at a different pitch It was put
in in 1955 at a depth of about 5' and he thought the depth should be about 10'
Eefore the people on Capitol Street wi11 agree to a road improvement, the
sanitary sewer line wi11 have to be deeper. He then brought forward a petition
to be received.
PETITION �F20-1972 IN OPPOSITION TO THE IMPROVEMENT OF CAYITOL STREET �
iR�'DER STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1973-1:
MOTION by Councilman Utter to receive Petition ��20-1972. Seconded by Council-
man MitteLstadt Upon a voice vote, a11 ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously.
Councilman Utter asked if the petition meant that if the sanitary sewer,problems
are taken care of, then the people are in favor of the road improvement.
Mr. 01son replied no, what the petition says is that they are opposed to the
improvement of the roadway, and in the event the sanitary sewer lines are
corrected, then they will again talk about the road improvements.
The City Engineer said that they plan on televising the sanitary sewer lines
to see �ust what the situation is and then come up with methods of correcting
them. He did want to emphasize that because of the flat grade, there is only
so much that can be done Councilman Breider asked what was the time table for
televising the line and correcting the problem. The City Engineer said that if
the Council chooses to order in the improvement, it would have to be done next
spring The streets and the sewer line would a11 be done in one season Mr.
Olson said that even if the sanitary sewer is fixed, the people wanted another
meeting befare the paving is done
The question was raised on the side yard assessments and the Finance Director
explained that 2/3 of the assessment on a corner 1ot is spread both up and down �
the 61ock from that 1ot with the remaining 1/3 paid by the property owner. This
has been the policy in Fridley for some time, and eventually everyone wi11 have
a side yard assessment.
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, Mayor Liebi noted that there seemed to be no objection to the improvement
of Horizon Drive and that the people on Capitol wi11 favor the improvement
if the sanitary sewer is fixed first. Mr. Olson said they did not say
that, they said they wanted the sanitary sewer fixed, then they will
dicuss fixing the street. Mayor Liebl said that he would like to impress
upon the people that when his street was improved rt cost $5.50 per foot,
now the same street would cost about $15. Mrs. Olson said that she didn`t
think they really needed the curbing, it is just a block long with 11
families. She said they have li�aed there for 16 years and their trees
are all planted quite close to the street. The street has a country air
with the yards going down to the street and there is very liL-tle traffic.
Mrs. Hazel Osfar, 5180 Hughes, said she lived on the corner of Hughes and
Capito.l and wi11 be assessed for three sides, and she would most cer'tainly
want to be assured that the sanitary sewer wi11 be taken care of before the
streets are paved as it wi11 cost her a fortune. The Finance Director
said that she has Lot 16, B1ock 7, and her assessment is $2,�94, which is
one of the highest,
Mr. Ron Hewitt, 5049 Hughes, asked how wide the street will be and the City
Engineer replied 36'. Mr. Hewitt asked if they would take any trees and
the City Engineer said they would not take any lrees unless absolutely
necessary, and to his knowledge so far there will not need to be any trees
taken. The street was originally designed Por 39 feet, so the street will
� actually be narrower than laid out.
Mr Bruce Heath, 5096 Clearview said tha't there was a petition presented
for the improvement of Clearview, Hughes, Panorama, Horizon Drive and
Topper Lane. The City Engineer said yes, that was received by Council
and was Petition #8-1972• Mayor Liebl added that the signatures repre-
sented more than 50% of the property owners.
Mr. Bert Ostlund, 5133 Hughes, said that with the patchworlc done down
there year after year, the cost must be quite high, and he thought the
work mlght just as well be done right and get it over with. Mayor Liebl
said yes, it would save money in maintenance costs and would also save wear
and tear on the equipment. A few years after an improvement is made, seal-
coating is done to lengthen the life of the s'treet and periodically after
that as necessary. This comes from State Aid funds. The City Engineer
said that over 800 of ihe streets are now improved to City standards,
and very few are left in the condition these arn in. Instead of spending
money in patching, they hope to spend the money toward good streets. Mr.
Olson said that in the spring the snowplows tear up the blacktopping in
the driveways and he has to go back out and replace it. Mr. Ostlund said
that is possibly because the street is sa uneven due to the many patch jobs.
Mr. Dean Nicholson, 5045 Clearview, asked what effect this would have on
their taxes. The City Assessor replied tha't concrete curb runs about $2 50
per foot for value, so if you have 80 feet, it would be aUout $200 additional
� value placed on the property This would make a difPerence of about $7.50
increase per year. Mr. Nicholson asked wha't was the average life oF a
street. The City Engineer said that there are streets built in 1958 that
are almost as good as new. A street should last �he lifetime of a house,
with proper maintenance.
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Mr. Edwin Watkins, 136 Panorama, complained of a puddle that sits on �
Main Street after every rain. There is a storm sewer but it does not
take care of it. Mayor Liebl pointed out Main Street is maintained by the
Countv and added that he has also called the County about this but he
did not get any results.
A gentleman living on Topper Lane questioned the assessment policy for cul-
de-sacs, and said that even though they have a smaller frontage, they use
the street as much as anyone else. The assessment policy for pie-shaped
lots was explained to the audience. The Finance Director said that for cases
like this, the building setback line is used.
A resident in the area said she had lived there 10 years and would like
the work done as soon as possible, as she would like her neighborhood to look
nice too. She said there would never be a better time.
Mrs. Lois Tollefson, 112 Pilot, asked if the stakes were where the curbing
would go. The City Engineer said no, they were just used to lay out the
street. lhe curbing will go in in front of the stakes, and most of the
trees will not be affected.
Mr. Tom Kelly, 4917 Roman Road said that he was not opposed to the street
improvement but he would be opposed to paying anything more for a storn
sewer system. In 1965 the City Engineer, Mr. Comstock and Mayor Nee said
that the people needed a storm sewer, now he cannot conceive why he should �
have to pay again, when he has already paid. The City Engineer said, as
he explained before, the intention is not to install any more pipe, only
to put in additional inlets in the concrete curbing when the street and
curbs are put in. The system is under-designed and was not built to take
care of a heavy rain. It is a matter of whether you want a Cadillac or
a compact - they will both get you where you want to go, but one is more
costly.
5th Street: 63rd Avenue to 64th Avenue
The City Engineer said that the proposed assessment for this street is
$16.82 with a side yard of $4.25. This improvement is part of the conditions
of the rezoning and signed by the Wall Corporation.
66th Avenue. Pierce Street to Channel Road
The City Engineer said that the estimated cost of this street is $11.09
with a side yard of $2.63. Mayor Liebl asked if this improvement would
take care of the storm sewer problems and the City Engineer said no, there
is no storm sewer system in this area, the water would flow where it does
now. The water will drain to the north and the street wi11 not stand under
water. A resident in the area asked how the assessment would be spread.
Mayor Liebl said that rt would be spread on the abutting property owners.
The gentleman said that he was opposed to having the street improved last
time. He wanted to know why the people across Channel Road were not to be �
assessed, they use it as a speed track. The Finance Director explained the
assessment that has been used in Fridley for many years, and that there must
be guidelines and those same guidelines are used for all, or before long
there would not be any rules.
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� Curbing Improvements:
" Beech Street: 77th Avenue to 79th Avenue
Elm Street• 77th Avenue to 79th Avenue
Main Street: 77th Avenue to 79th Avenue
79th Avenue: Beech Street to Main Street
69th Avenue: Stinson Boulevard to 1300 feet west
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The City Engineer explained that this improvement is for curbing and the
proposed cost is $6.43 per front foot and the side yard $1 29. Councilman
Breider said that he assumed that this is a continuation of the work done
last year. The City Engineer said yes, and added that he hoped the property
owners would cooperate in watering the material placed behind the curbing.
Mr. Dick Harris said that he would like to have the curbing for Elm and
Main held in abeyance until it is known how the area will develop and where the
curb cuts will be needed. The City Engineer said that he has already talked
to Mr. Harris about this and if the plans for the land are not developed in
time, this portion of the improvement will be taken out and delayed for a
time
State Aicl Streets iSt. 1973-2
79th Avenue: Beech Street west to alley and Main Street to University
� Avenue
Main Street: 79th Avenue to 83rd Avenue
_ 83rd Avenue: Main Street to University Avenue
The City Engineer said that the cost of these State Aid streets is proposed
to be $28.01 with a side yard of $3.69, Mr. Harris commented that he was in
favor of the improvements and that he thought that this would open the area
up for develo�ment. He asked about the railroad crossing at 77th. Council-
man Breider said that once 79th Avenue goes in, that crossing will have to
be looked at again, but he did not think 77th could be closed until that
time.
Mr. Harris said that when he came in for a building permrt, lae found that
he was to be charged a sewer and water connection charge for each unit. He
said this only applies to property north of 77th. The Finance Director
explained that there is a small part of the City north of Osborne between
the railroad tracks and University Avenue that does not have a full assess-
ment, so when anyone builds, there is a small assessment placed against them.
When the property develops, the charge is put on. Mayor Liebl suggested that
Mr. Harris could come into City Hall for a complete explanation with a map
showing the area, iP he wished.
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to close the public hearing on Street
Improvement Project St. 1973-1 � St. 1973-2 (MSAS) Seconded by Councilman
Breider. Opon a voice vote, al1 ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the hearing
� closed at 9:30 P.M.
Councilman Mittelstadt asked that the Hyde Park item be taken next as there
are quite a few people present from this area.
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PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF NOVEMBER 13, 1972
DISCUSSION OF CIRCLE FLOW PATTERN IN HYDE PARK, RE
MITTELSTADT
BY COUNCTLMAN
Mayor Liebl said there was a petition received and r_ead it aloud.
PETITION #21-1972 - REOUESTING PHASE II OF THE
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MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to receive Petition #21-1972• Seconded by
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously.
Councilman Mittelstadt reported he had canvassed the neighborhood the last
three weeks and except for about 3 people, the whole neighborhood is
against the plan. He said he had promised these people in writing that
he would make a motion to terminate the p2an. He said he could see no ne�d
to go into the history of this Circle Flow plan as everyone is quite aware
of what has been happening the past three years. The cost is now pro-
jected to be about 22 times the original cost and this would be too much
of a burden on these people.
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt that Phase II of Resolution #194-1969 be
terminated permanently and that at no time in the future will this proposal
be brought before the Council. Seconded by Councilman Utter.
Mayor Liebl asked if this motion was proper and the City Attorney advised that
a present Council could not legally bind a future Council, but that the
motion could stand as moved. The City Engineer said that the Council passed
a resolution approving the plan, the Highway Department was given that plan
and they approved it. Now, if the plan is to be modified or changed, Fridley
will have to take care of their concern that there would not be created a
traffic problem with opposing t�af£ic. If this motion passes, 3rd Street
will have to be made one way. There must no-t be commercial traffic going
north into the residentzal area, This commitment will have to be made to
the Highway Department. Counailman Breider said that when this plan was
first talked about the people were in favor of it. The cost is now so
prohibitive that it bacomes unfeasible, so the City will have to wait until
the total area develops, so if a few of the streets have to be made one way
to meet the State Highway Department's requirements, he hoped the residents
would bear with them.
Mayor Liebl said that he hoped the real estate people would move into the
area and start to develop it. $2,000 per lot would just be too much of an
assessment ta bear. He pointed out that since the work was ordered in with
a resolution, it would have to be eliminated with another resolution.
THE VOTE UPON THE MOTIOSd, being a voice vote� all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
The Council asked that the proper resolution be brought back for the Meeting
of November 20th.
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RECESS:
Mayor Liebl declared a recess at 9:�+5 P.M.
10:04 P.M.
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REGARD TO
Councilman Utter said that after listening to Dr. Cy Smythe, Labor Relations
Consultant and the City Manager, and discussing this with the other Council-
men, he felt that in some respects this proposal would be a very good thing
for the City, There are some it'ems, such as pension and the fringe benefits
that should be up to the City Fathers, but as far as salaries and the overall
contract, he could see the benefits of having this uniform throughout the
metro area. By Fridley writing its own contract completely on our own,
it may be high or it may be low.
Councilman Mittelstadt said that he felt that writing our own contract would
be more responsive to our budget. It is the responsibility of the City
Council to stay within the budget and this should be done on a local basis
and he could not be in favor of this resolution,
The Crty Manager said that this system is being used for the 49er's. On Page
� 2D in the resolution there is a paragraph C which states that the City
Council, shall retain the right to accept or reject any or all proposed
settlements. Whether the negotiations are done on a local or regional basis,
there can be no giving up of the final power for expenditure of public
funds. Councilman Breider asked how many of the 17 participating communities
have dissimilar pay rates. The City Manager replied only one or two. Council-
man Breider said that probably after negotiations, Fridley would be about
the same as the other communities, the advantages to the metro negotiations
being done would be that all the communities could be done at one time and
there would probably be a better relationship established with professionals
handling the negotiations. He said he did not intend any reflection on the
City Staff, only that this is what these people do all day and he would think
the quality would have to be better. He said he would agree with Councilman
Mrttelstadt, the pensions and fringe benefits should remain with the local
entity.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to adopt the resolu�ion, ma]<ing clear that the
bargaining does not include pensions or any fringe benefits. Seconded by
Councilman Utter for discussion.
Councilman Utter asked if this inaluded future contracts, as well as the ?973
contract and Councilman Breider replied yes.
THE VOTE UPON THE MOTION, Breider and Utter voting aye, Lieb1 and Mittelstadt
voting nay, Mayor Liebl declared the MOTION FAILED.
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CONSIDERATION OF RESOLUTION RELEASING CERTAIN TAX FORFEIT LOTS ENTIRELY, '
REQUESTING EASEMENTS ON CERTAIN TAX FORFEIT LOTS TO THE CITY OF FRTDLEY
AND REQUESTING A DEED TO THE CITY OF FRIDLEY ON ONE TAX FORFEIT LOT, AND
PUTTING A HOLD ON THREE TAX FORFEIT LOTS•
The Finance Director explained that before the County Auditor can place a
lot on a tax forfert sale, he needs a release from the municipality stating
they are not interested in the lots. The resolution shows the assessments on
the property and reiterates the fact that Fridley is not withdrawing the
assessments from the property and that Fridley wants the assessments paid
back when the progerty is sold. The resolution also puts a hold on three
lots. Mayqr Liebl said that if this resolution is adopted, someone that knows
about it could make some money. The Finance Director replied no, they are
sold at a public auction after a legal notice. The County Auditor is asking
for this release. After the taxes are not paid for so many years, the
property is forfeited to the State and the County Auditor has the obligation
of placing the lots up for publia sale and this resolution is just a
necessary formality before the County Auditor can act. Mayor Liebl said
that he wanted it known that he nor the Council has any knowledge of anyone
that wants to buy them. The City Attorney said that there may be no one
that wants the lots. This is a requirement of the State Statutes, and the
Auditor is respQnsible for putting them up for sa1e.
Councilman Utter asked if there was not some property red tagged for park
purposes. The City Finance Director said yes, but they are not a part of �
this resolution. The Assessor added that he had given this list to the Parks
Director to go over to see if he had missed anything and to see if he felt
that there was any need to take it to the Parks Commission first. Most of
these lots are really not very good, some are too small to build on and
some need a lot of fi11 before they are usable. Mayor Liebl asked, what if
the lots are 1et go, then we find that there is some right of way needed
from some of them. It was pointed out that the Engineering Department
has also gone over the list of lots.
The City Manager said that if the Council wished, the resolution could be
tabled for a week and the Council could be furnished with a map showing
where the lots are.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to table thls resolution one week and asked that
the Council be supplied with a map showing the lots. Seconded by Council-
man Utter. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously.
RESOLUTION #133-1972 - REGARDING BUILDING REQUIREMENTS FOR PHYSICALLY HANDI-
CAPPED:
MOTION by Councilman Breider to adopt Resolution #133-1972. Seconded by
Councilman Mittelstadt. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
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NEW BUSINESS
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APPOINTING WALLACE R. STARWALT COONCILMAN FOR WARD TWO FOR THE BALANCE OF
1972(NOVEMBER 13, 1972 TO SANUARY 8, 1972�;
AND
ADMINISTRATION OF OATH OF OFFICE TO MR. WALLACE R STARWALT. WARD TWO
MOTION by Councilman Breider to appoint Mr. Wallace R. Starwalt as Councilman,
Ward Two, with the comment that he was the one that made the motion to wait
with this appointment until immediately after the elecrtion. Seconded by
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously.
The City Attorney said that with this appointment, he wi11 have to be sworn
in now, and again after the first of the year.
The City Clerk, Marvin Brunsell, administered the Oath of Office to A7r.
Starwalt, he then took his place at the Council table as Councilman Ward
Two and said that he is very pleased and proud to be here.
RECEIVING THE SIDS FOR FRIDLEY MUNICIPAL LIOUOR S10RE•
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REPORT OF FINANCING PLAN TO PAY FOR CONSTROCTION DF THE
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STORE:
AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR LIQUOR STORE CONSTRUCTION
Deduct Deduct Bid
General Contractor Base Bid Alt. G-1 Alt. G-2 Days Securrty
Lyell C. Halverson Co. $84,100.00 $3,000,00 $4,900.00 180 Bond
Minneapolis, Minn.
H.P. Droher � Sons
St. Paul, Minn.
Nash Construction
Minneapolis, Minn.
Boger Sheehy Co.
Minneapolis, Minn.
Berglund-Johnson
Excelsior, Minn.
Keyway Builders
Plymouth, Minn.
B-E Enterprises
New Brighton, Minn.
75,000.00
94,500.00
79,087.00
79,866.00
69,703.44
87,570.00
2,600.00 6,000.00
2,218.00 6,500.00
2,640.00 5,112.00
4,467.00 4,660.00
4,258.00 2,193,00
3,20�.0� 5,350.Q0
210 Bond
180 Bond
180 Bond
180 Bond
180 Bond
180 Bond
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General Contractor
W.H. Cates Const.
Minneapolis, Minn.
Kloster-Madsen
Minneapolis, Minn. 79,900.00
Mechanical Contractor Base Bid
Berghorst P & H $26,B89 00
Coon Rapids, Minn.
Fleming Sheet Metal N
Minneapolis, Minn.
C.O. Carlson A.C. 26,890.00
Minneapoli5, Minn.
South Side P& H 23,359.00
Minneapolis, Minn.
Metropolitan Mec. Contr. 27,869.00
Eden Prairie, Minn.
Selden-Porter 27,133.00
Minneapolis, Minn.
Axel Newman H& P 28,330.00
St. Paul, Minn.
Modern Htg. & A.C. 27,500.00
Minneapolis, Minn.
Mill City Hrg. & A.C. 27,880 00
Minneapolis, Nlinn.
Electrical Contractors Base Bid
Central E1ec.
Minneapolis, Minn. $18,988.00
Gopher Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn. 18,920.D0
Bacon's Electric
Fridley, Minn. 16,990.00
Mergens E1ec.
Wayzata, Minn. 17,990.00
Libby Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn. 24,940.00
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Deduct Deduct Bid
Base Bid Alt. G-1 Alt. G2 Days Security
$77,900.00 $2,500.00 $4,000.00 180 Bond
3,600.00 4,200.00 200 Bond
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Electrical Contractors
Lee Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn.
Courture Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn.
Lehn Elec.
Anoka, Minn.
Sallblad Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn.
John Ess & Sons
Hopkins, Minn.
Reliable Elec,
Minneapolis, Minn.
Total Elec.
Minneapolis, Minn.
Killmer Elec.
Osseo, Minn.
Sase Bid
$15,995,00
22,750.00
18,668.00
2o,s�o.00
17,645.00
19,OD0.00
16,909.00
18,580.00
Days
7 Calendar Days
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The Crty Attorney said that first, he would recite what has happened. The
advertisement for bids sent out sta*ed that the bids would be received and
opened by 11:30 A.M., November 9, 1972. There were 8 general contractor
bids which were received by the City Officials, and the bid opening com-
menc�ed. At 11 32 a ninth bidder arrived with a late bid. The City Manager
called him and asked for legal counsel. The City Attorney said he had
advised him to receive the bid and notethe time of arrival. Since that
time he has researched the matter, and it would be his conclusion that an
irregularity that is minor and would not affect Lhe outcome of the bidding,
and if that bidder is suitable as far as the rest of the bid is concerned,
then the Council could award the bid. As it turns out that late bidder is
also the 1ow bidder.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to receive the bids. Seconded by Councilman
Mittelstadt. Opon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Lieb1 declared the motion
carried unanimously.
The Finance Director said, as to the financing, that there are three sug-
gestions. The first would be to use the money in the State Aid Revolving
Account. He said he would not recommend that source because Fridley wi11
have the Mississippi underpass cost coming up and it is not known at this
time what that share will be. Another possibility would be to sell revenue
bonds. His suggestion is to reduce the transfer from the Liquor Fund to the
General Fund and use the Revenue Sharing money to make up for the reduction
in transfer from the Liquor Fund. The Liquor Fund money will then be used
to build the liquor store, and the tax levy would not be altered. All but
about $10,000 could be obtained from this source The revenue sharing
money then would go back into the General Fund when it is received.
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Councilman Mittelstadt commented that he thought this was an excellent plan,
it does cost money to go out and borrow, and Fridley will have this money
available from the revenue sharing and that will not alter the levy.
Councilman Breider noted that on Page 6C, the estimated cost of the building
is $156,750, the architect's estimate was $121,500. This is over $30,000
over the estimate. The City Manager explaitted that the bids received
included building the building, sidewalk and parking lot and some brick
facing. Such things as signs, internal furnishings, architect's fees,
shelving, etc. are not included. The bids total out about $110�000
so they fall under the estimate. The cost oi the sign is anticipated at
about $7,000 and the furnishings at about $15,000. Councilman Breider asked
what kind of a sign this would be for $7,000. The City Manager said this
has not been decided yet for sure, but signs are not an inexpensive item.
Mayor Liebl asked how much was made from the Holly Store last year. The
Finance Director said, after looking up the figure, $65,380 in 1971. Mayor
Liebl commented that then the store should be paid for in two years time.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to reduce the transfer from the Liquor Fund
to the General Fund and use the revenue sharing money to make up for the
reduction in the transfer from the Liquor Fund. The Liquor Fund money will
then be used to build the liquor store. Seconded by Councilman Mittelstadt.
Upon a voice vote, al1 ayes, Mayor Liebl dealared the motion carried
unanimously .
Mayor Liebl asked Mr Roger Patch, Architect� what was his recommendation.
Mr. Patch answered that he recommends awarding the general contractor con-
tract to Keyway Builders upon the advice of the City Attorney and after
the contractor had been checked out by their office. Keyway Builders has
not built a liquor store before but he had received a letter from them
and read it aloud. The low mechanical contracrtor bidder was South Side
P� H and they have been cheaked out and are acceptable. The low bidder
for the electrical work is Lee Electric and they are also acceptable. As to
when the store could be opened, as the Council will note all the bidders
specify 180 days except two and they state more.
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to award the bids for the construction of
the Municipal Liquor Store to:
General Contractor Keyway Builders $69,703.44
Mechanical Contractor South Side P� H 23,359.00
Electrical Contractor Lee Electric 15,995.00
with completion to be in 180 days. Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a
voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
SETTING A COUNCIL MEETING DATE FOR MONDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1972, WITH THE
BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE FRIDLEY POLICE PENSION ASSOCIATION SD DISCUSS FINANCING
MOTION 1�y Councilman Mittelstadt to set the darte of Monday, November 27, 1972
at 7:30 to meet with the Police Pension Association. Seconded by Councilman
Breider. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously.
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PUSLIC HEARING MEETING OF NOVEMBER 13, 1972
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OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ORDINANCE #435 RELATING
TnrrnR RF.TWRAN CERTAIN HOORS ON SUNDAY AND PF.�VI➢
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THE SALE OF
MOTION by Councilman Breider to approve the Ordinance on iirst reading and
waive the reading. Seconded by Councilman I�3ittelstadt Upon a roll ca11
vote, Breider, Liebl, Utter, Mittelstadt and Starwalt voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
The Council asked that this Ordinance be back on the Agenda for second
reading November 20th.
RESOLUTION #134-1972 - A RESOLOTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTZNG THE RECERTIFI-
CATION OF THE ST. 1968-1B STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR 71S1 AVENUE ON
PARCEL 4800, SECTION 11: (MiNNESQTA TRANSFER RAILWAY PR.OPERTY)
MOTION by Councilman Breider to
Councilman Mitte]stadt. Upon
the motion carried unanimously.
ADJOUPNMENT
adopt Resolution �134-1972. Seconded by
a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Lieb1 declared
MOTION by Councilman Breider to adjourn the Meeting. Seconded by Councilman
Mittelstadt. Opon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
� carried unanimously and the Public Hearing Meeting o� November 13, 1972
adjourned at 10.55 P.M.
���Re ectful submitted, •
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e1 A. Mercer Frank G. Liebl
Secretary to the City Counci.l Mayor
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