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PUBLIC HEARING MEETIRG - JANUARY 15, 1973
Public Hearing on a Final Plat, P.S. q72-07,
Jim Lund Acres, by James Lund Construction, Inc.,
Generally Located in the Southeast Corner of
75th Avenue and Central Avenue
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' Public &earing on a Rezoning Request ZOA M72-1Q,
by James Lund Construction Inc. to Rezone from
C-18 (Local 8happing Areea) to A-1 (Single
' Fsmily Dwelliag Aresa)� 6enerally Located in th•
8outheaet Corner of TSth Avenue and Centrsl
Aveaua N. E.
Public Hearing on a Registered Land Survey
P•S. N72-06, by Donovan A. Schultz, Generally
Located.at 15 R3ce Cr�ek Way
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Public Hearing on a Vacation Request, SAV N72-06, 5- 5 A
by State Land & Develop�ent Company, Paul
Burkholder. Generally Located Between Hwy, 100
on the North, 5�th Avenue on the South, 5th Street
on the West and 6th Street on the East
Receiving Report on Liaieon with State 6- 6 D
Le¢islatiire •
(COt�NT: Mayor Liebl attended the December meeting on tris
eubject and ia femiltar with the proposal. I would like to
get an indication of interest from the Council on whether ,you
feel participation in this program 3s worthwh3le. No budgetary
appropriation hes been made for participation and any tluida to
sqpport the project would have to be appropriated from reserves.
The reserve balance in the 1973 budget presently is $58,500)
COMMUNCIATIOIdS:
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Coon Rapids Mayor: North Suburban Youth 7
Services Center Meeting
Minneaota Dept, of Public Service; Protecting
Central Avenue crossing of Minnesota Transfer
Railway
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OiICIAL PUBLICATZON
CITY OF FRIDLEY
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�iOTICE OF HEARING ON IliPROVEhfENTS
ROVE:�fENT PROJECT ST. 1973�1
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WHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Fridley, Anoka County,
Mfnnesota, has deemed it expedient to receive evidence pertaining to the
impruvements hereinafter described.
NOW THEREFORE, NOTICE IS HEREgy GIVEN THAT on the 15th day of
mee[nat the City Hall in7saidtCity(,�and'willkat• aidhtimetand place hear
all pazties interested in said improvements in whole or in part.
The general nature of the improvements is the construction (in the
lands and atreets noted below) of ehe following improvements, �o-c.it:
CONSTRUCTION YTEM
Streets Under Project 5T. 1973-1 Addendum �1
Gumwood Street from 77th Avenue to 78th Avenue
Alley 117 feet Ivorth of 77th Avenue between Gunuood Street an3
Beech Street
BSTII�fATED COST . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .� 11,500.00
THAT TF� ARF.A PROPOSED TO BE ASSESSED FOR SAID L�IFROVEU�NT5 IS AS FOLLOt;S:
For Construction Item above ______________________
All af the land abutting upon said streets named above and ail
lands within, adjacent and abutting thereto.
All of said land Eo be assessed proportionately according to the
benefits received by such improvements.
That should the Council proceed with said improver,.ents thep i;ill conside=
each sepaxate i�provements, except as hereafter othenaise provided by the
Council a11 under the £ollowing authority, Lo-wit: ;?inneso:a Statutes 1901,
Chapter 429 and Iaws amendatory thereof, and in confor,nity w_th the City
Charter.
DATED T1iIS 18th DAy pg December
COUtiCIL. , 1472, $Y OFi _'.R OF 1't{p, C�:y
I�'�AYOR - 1'rw::i: G. L'_ „1
� Yublish: January 3, 1?73
January 10, 1973
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TO WHOM IT MAy CONCERN:
OFFICIAL NOTiCE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC iiEABING
BEFORE THB
CITY COUNCIL
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing
Iof the City Council of the Cfty of Fridley iu the City Aall at
6431 University Avenue Northeast on Monday, January 15, 1973 in
_ the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of:
� Coneideratioa of a Final Ftat, P,S, i72_p7, J1m Luad
Acree, by Jamae Luad Conatsuctlon, Inc., being a
replat of Lot 13, Auditor'a Subdiviaioa No. 129, all
lyiag ia tha North Half of Section 12, T-30, &-24,
City of Fridley, Couaty of Anoka, Minneaota,
Generally located in the Southeast corner of 75th
Aveaue N.&. and Central Avenue, Fridley, Mianeaota.
Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above
matter may be heard at this meeting.
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FRANR G. LIEBL
MAYOR
Publish: December 27, 1972
Jaauary 3, 1973
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Plannin� Commisslon MeetinA - Decem:>e- "_�;2 _,a�, �
the service station sold the property what other kind of yeneral business could
be using the site.
Mr. Clark said that all the govermental bodies concerned wanted the ser-
vice road changed.
Chairman Erickson said we have two requests here, one for legalizing the
zoning for a service station and one for a convenience store. Now we are talk-
ing �bou[ [he loopback that was not mentioned in the requests.
Mr. Clark said that he would assume that the Union Oi1 Corpany would
dedicate the land for the loopback if they have a usable site for their
station, but if the requests aren't granted, they would not want to dedicata
Che road.
Mr. Kenneth Fletcher, 5930 Polk Street: He asked what th_ reaso�ing was
in creating the loppback. Mr. Clark answered that it was to :;a.�e more scack-
room. It will brinR the trafffc closer to Mr. Hedlund's and Mr. Fletci,er's
property.
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Mrs. HedIund said that if the road was goia3 ko be move3, they wuuld
want a copy of the survey to see now close their house va•<:d be Co tr.e :cre��.
Mr. Clark said the closest corner would be 241� feat.
Mr. tiedlund asked if the road ware put in, rrould they be requiceu ea ien>�
it. Mr. Clark anawared that could be made a etipulatlon.
Mr. Fletcher thought they could flnd an alternate plan. He ttiought the
psopoeed plan would make the aituation worae.
Mr. Minish asked at what stage the plan for the loopback was at ;.�w.
Mr. Clark answered that the State Highmay Department will build th« rc:�_' i:
the City furnishes the right oE ways.
Mr. Schmedeke said hG didn't ihink the Planning Commissien could nake
any reco�endations on this until all the people affected �ere notified.
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Chairman Erickson said this intersection had been discussed for over a
year. The City has to come up wlth a solution. Ae did agree with Mr.
Schmedeke, however.
MOTION by Zeglen, seconded by Fitzpatrick, that the ?la:,r.i�g C;r.�r::_s_::c,
continue the kezoning Request, ZOA #72-11 and the re�;��est ;.r d Specia_ '�_,_
?ermit, SP tf72-16, by [hlion Oil Company until ➢ecember 20, 157, :;� tt,a- �. .
prop>rty owners affected by the loopback can be notified. t'For� a vcic� vc_:,
all voting dye, the motion carried unanimously.
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Ls::�D ��ti.rp4c:�o:: ce.. -,•
on 11129. (5.:.. corner of
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75th Avenue
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t Lot 13, Audit�c��
and Ce^ttal Ave:.ue. )
� nnwxLlvG: 1c��u�ltvG Rt;QU�S"1'. ZOA f!/2-11, BY JA*"'c I.WD CO'dSTEiCT[�:;
I�C.: To rezone the West 250 feet of Lot i3, Au�•`or's S�.�div:.i;
from C-1S (local shopping) tp F.-1 (single'iar..11y d::eilin;=.i.
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Chairman Erickson ataced that these two items would be considezed together.
' MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Co:nmissicn wa:ve
the reading of the Public Hearing Ivotice for the Proposed Preliminary Fla:,
P•S. #72-07, Jim Lund Acres and *.h� Rezo:iing Request, ZOA 1i72-12 by James Lynd
' Constructioq Co., Incorpora�ed. �:pon a voice vote, ail voting aye, the mot�or,
carried unan•imously.
James Lund was present.
Mr. Clark oaid thn Plata & Subdivisione-Sts•�te & Ueilities Sabcoms�tetea
had recommendad approval of the Propoaed Prelimiaary P1aC, ,tim Lund Acres,
subject to ihe Planning Comoission approval o£ ehe reaoaing of the West 250
laat of Lot 13 irom C-1S to R-1.
.Chairman Erickson asked Hr. Lund if the enCire tract will be R-1.
Mr. Lund sald it would. He eaid he couldn't find a co�aercial use for
tha property. The special asaesamenta for the entire property •eemed to decer
' co�ercial development. Ae feels that the property w:ll be used when it is
zoaed for zesidential use.
Mr. Clark said the land zoned commercial around Mr. Lund's property is
vacaat. Mr. Minish sald there might be some disappolnted property owners if
the land around it develops. It was noted Chat Lher�e were other single :amily
dwellings in the general area.
Mr. Lund said he would iike to have the house that would be built on the
corner of 75th pvenue aad Cen[ral Avenue face 75th Aveaue because of the
ttaffic problem.
MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Plannir,g Commiss�cn clo -
the Fublic Hearing of the Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. N72-07, ,;in Lur,� �
Ey .Tames Lund Construction Co., Inc. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, !he�.
motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, tfiat the Planning i o�.miss:.::. ;
the Public Hearing of the Rezoning Request, LOA N72-12, by .:ames :.�ind re-s*r�c-
tion Co., Inc. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carr;ed u:,ar.i-�ca_.;�.
MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Plannir.g Commissicn
recommend to C.ouncil approval of the Proposed Prel±minary 'riat, .,�, �;?_;;�;� '
Jim Lcnd Acres, by James Lund Construction Co., Inc. beir.g a re��at c` :,�� '3
Auditor's Subdivision f1129, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, c`:� moticr,
carried unanimously. •
MOTICN by Schmedeke, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planaing �ommissi�n
recommen3 tq Council approval of the Rezoning Request, ZAA r,".2-12, py lames
Lund Construcxion Co., Inc. to rezone the West 250 feet of Lot 13, A:.ditor's
Subd_vision #129 from C-1S (lucal sho�ping) to R-1 (single 'arii,✓ :wei_'-,�-j,
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the rsocion carried unar,irrously.
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TO WkIOM Zx MAY CONCERN;
OFFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
CITY COUNCIL
Notice ia hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing
of ehe City Council of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at
6431 Univere3ty Avenue Northeaet on Monday, Jaauary 15, 1913 in
the Council Chamber at 7:30 P,M, for the purpoae of:
Conaideration af a resoning request, ZOA #72-12,
by James Lund Coastructioa, Inc „ to rezoae the
West 250 feet of Lot 13, Auditor's Subdivision
Ao. 129 frem C-1S (local shoppiag areas) to R-1
(single family dwelling areas), all lyiag in the
North Half of Section 12, T-30, R-24, City of
Fridley, County o: Anoka, Minnesota.
Generally located in the Southeast corner of 75th
Avenue N.E. and Central Avenue, Fridley, Minnesota
Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above
matter may be heard at this meeting.
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1 FRANK G. LIEBL
� MAYOR
Publish: December 27, 1972
January 3, 1973
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OFFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PIJBLIC HBARIN�
BEFORE THB
CITY COUNCIL
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the City
Council of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue N,E,
on Monday, ,7anuary 15, 1973 in the Coucil Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose
of:
Consideration of a Registered Land Survey, P.S. 872-06, by Donovan A.
Schultz being described as:
' All of Lots 1 and 2, Block Edgewater Gardens toge[her with all that
part of Lot 3, Revised Auditor's Subdivision Na. 23, excepC thae
part thereof embraced in Lota 1 and 2, Block 1, Edgewatar Garden�,
lying within the followiag describad boundaries: Beginaing at the
•. moet Southerly corner of aaid Lot 1, Block l; thence on an assumed
' bearing of N74°30'W along the Southweaterly lince of said Lot 1 an3
said Lot 2, $lock 1, a diatance of 147.62 feet; thence along a
tangential'circular curve to the right having a radius of 36 feet,
delta angle 63012'16", for a distance of 39.71 feet; thence along
a tangential circular curve to the left having a radius of 50 fee�,
delta angle 34°42'16", for a distance of 30.29 feet; th'ence
NO°48'47"W, along the Westerly line of said Lot 2 and its Northerl�•
extension a distance of 393.10 feet; thence N71°12'13"� 2 distaace
. of 62 feet; thence S83o47'47"E a distaace of 145 �ieet; ther.ce
S64°47 k7 E a distance of 56 feet; thence S36°24'21"E a distance of
65 feet; thence S11°56'45"E a distance of 41.14 feet, ,::ore or iess.
to a point on the Northeasterly extension of the Southeasterl�• i:ne
of said Lot 1; thence 516°46'14"W along said �iortheasterly estension
• and along said Southeasterly line a distance of 390.96 feet, more or
less, to the point of�beginning.
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All lying in Section 15, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, Coun[y oi Anoka,
Minnesota.
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Geaerally located at IS Rice Creek Way, Fridley.
Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter wili
be heard at this meeting.
Publish: December 27, 1972
January 3, 1973
FRANK G. LIEBL
tMYOR
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' CALL TO ORDER:
CITY OF FRIBLEY
-- DECEDIDER 6, 1972
1 The meeting was called to order by Chaiiman Erickson at 8:00 °.M.
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Members Present: Erickson, Minish, Fi[zpatrick, Schmedeke, Zeglen
Members Absent: None
'' Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development AdMinistrator
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINVfFS: NOVE!�ffiER 22 1972
I�OTION by hlinish, seconded by Schmedeke, that tbe P:ann�ng Ccmmission
app.^ove tt:e Pranning Commissicr. minutes o_' Nevember '•2 1972, Upor. a voice
vote, all votin a e r • `'
_.. g y, he motion carr�ed unanimcusly.
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RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEAI,g p{INIITES: :IOVE.tiIDER 28 1972
MOTiorr Ly Minish, seconded �y Fitzpatrick, ^,hat the Pia:ir.i:,F +:ommi �si _n
receive the minutes of the board of Appeals meeting of Ncve:nte: ��, ig^�, �;t,,._
a voice vote, all voting $ye, the motion carried uaanimously.
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MOT_Oi3 rry Minish, seconded by Fztzpatrick, tha* the t:anning C•;,;,,,°_:,,;,-;
receive the mir.utes of t;�e 2uilding �tandards-Le;i�,n �or.*roi �u�c�-;;�,_-r.-�
tiauYes �i AJovember 21, 1972, lipon a voi-e vore, a�l voting a�e, t'�;e m-__.r
carried unanimously. -
1• PUBLIC AEARIhG: PROPOSED REGISTERED LAND SLBVEY p.5. it72-06, 31'
DONOVAN A. SCHLZiZ: Replat of Lots 1 and 2, Block l, iidgewater Gardens.
MUTIOSJ by Schmedeke, secoadeQ by Zeglen, that the Pla::.*.ing Cemr..'.-,
waive th� reading of the Public Hzaring ?Gotzce of P.S. ,�72-pF ty �.cr�:•a: �r..
SChultz. UFor. a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unar.'_r,,_usi,.
Mr. Harry Mlworth, attorney, was present to represent the peti[icner.
�ir. Donovan Schultz was also present.
Mr. Dilworth said he was not going to �ake a presenta:ion but was ¢e:e
to answer any questians the Commission might nave.
Mr. Darrel Clark said *tz. Schultz was in earlier this year on a lot s�iit.
They [ouched cn this pro�leca with tha lake shore. At that ti�:e we e;;c.u;.;c -
wqpld involve otne= peopie with lake shore property. Appa:zntly >ir. �_ir.l�_z��+`
fqund it di,fficult to work with tha[ large of a group of people so he has
decided to take care of his own problem on his own lot, ^".:
chase agreement with Mr, Ottp Ostman subject to approval o� thehRegis[�r��+ �ur-
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Y• This item was before the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & L'tilitie ^
Subcommictee las[ evening and they recummended approval if Trac[ A and D
one parcel and Tract B and C became o�e parcel. This was
p:oblem of one of Lhe Tracts becane
going tax forfeit. �o eliminate the
Chairman Ericksor. asiced the purpose of this request.
Mr• SMhultzawouldshavedtheat a private party oc�ms the lake and if [he lake recedes
and the lake shore. Mr. Clarkbsamd��esh d�sent�jnotice to the kice Cr« K
Wa[ershed aad g ProPerty becween his propercy
had got nothing bac&. He also sent a no[ice [o th
Waters and Resources and had a phune call yesterday from *fr. Rav
said they had ❑0 2 Divisior cg
[he vater. °bjection providzd they still had control of theslandCUadec
Mr• Dilworth said the present legal descriptio❑ is suoje.c [�
easemen[ to the City of St. Paul and its Water Commissioners,
lower the lake accordin P2rpe[ual
cated from [he � CO the needs of 5[. Paul, IF this were raitie 2C�d1-
descriptian, Mr. Dilworth felt this Would lead'c
Mr. FitzpBtrick asked how the North o majcr problem,,
Clark said it was the center line PrOPerty line w
has been the lo of Rice as esta� lished. DIr.
t line since yt Creek before z'�n la'r,e was -ade, 1[
Edgewater Pla[. Mr. Dilmorth said asCthissisdtorrensVproper�,�
of this proper[y cannot change. Y at the date of ;h�
, Che bouncar:a5
Mr. Erickson said the City was asked to pay some of the expense uf c�•
on the dam. G/ha[ would be the position if all the propert,v owners arou�� ;
lake have ownerghip. Mr. Clark said p��� «
Ostman or Mr. Schul[z whether [his is '�
, it would be the same chiag, Pr1°ately owned by 51:.
Mr� Schul[z said the dam permit was taken out b
Ostman was rzfused a permit to build the dam, so the C'
y Che City of Fridle;. �Ct;
1�}' ow:zs the dam.
Mr• Ericksan asked if Mr. Schultz was prePered to allow
Che lake to keep the water level up. Mr, Schultz �aid he i,ad
moneY Co kee Ghe City co fl�od
with Che Rice Creek W�e wet. Mr. D1lwozt}� gaid they had �'P��t a lot oE
the lake from fillin atershed people and the bt`'n in concact
4 feet. 8 in. The lake Y aze hav„inB a bad problem ke.eping
They have addressed the Riceae 10 to 14 feet dee
atopped or reversed. y Cree P and now it is under
The have a geologist'seestimate�thazWthere wilibbe no
Locke Lake in five yea13,
Mr. Ericksan said if this zequest is granted, the
nents would not chaage for any public or
reaerved as established. We are not O1i€�inal plat and easc-
p;rivete water rigtts �r� they are
eo the �8� would recede. allowing the
petitioRer to fill tt:e land
MpTION by Fitzoatrick, seconde3 by Minish, to close th_ -
of the Pr000sed Registered Land Survey, p,g, ll�2_p6
�pon a voice vo r :''.�hlic iiear:;�c
te, ali votir,g aye, r'r,e « ' v D°r.o;'an A, cc!;�.! _,
mo.:on carried unaa':�cu;;l•
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Mr. Schmedeke said that the Plats 3 Subdivisioqs-StFee[s & Utili[ies Sub-
� coc�ittee had approved thia request subject to the approyal of the Planning
Conmission. Tqe lake shpre was merely changing owpership, and they were not
�i wh�'ng 8nyone, mainly the CiCy. They all ynderstood what he was doing �d
y.
MOTION by Minish, seconded ty Sdimedeke, tnat the Plannin� Cor�missicr.
r'�'�o:nmend �pproval to Counc:i of the proposed Registered La,ryd Survei, r,5,
H72-06, by Donovar, A. Schultz being a replat of Lots 1 and 2, 31ock 1,
• Edgewoter Gardens ;�iti� the stipulation that Tract A a�,� � �.��;;�,i� ��Q ��,a��
any waynchangc4t},� LockeeLakeashora+lir,eactU�onis not to b� eunytr;.�d Co i�
the motion carried unaniirpusly. � a`rozce vete, a1: v��cin� d,���
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-�... ncnrclltiV; RE UEST FOR RE20NI1
5695 Hackmann Avenue to tezone from
(general businese).
"`.. `'--- ��'�rn+v�Y: 5695 Hackmann ---•..' �"" `cn:�,^
continue Avenue [o construct a
the service station.
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Chairman Erickson eaid the request fot the $exoning and Spec.iai �;_e 2,_
would be heard toge[her.
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MOTZQN by Schmedeke, seconded by Fi±Zpatrick, that the F:ar.nin •
waive the reading oF the Pub.lic Hearir,g Notice for rezonin
�• the Special ��Q � ��"�����-��=ion
Permit request, SP #72-i1 � + �' `'�A ��`-1°, :-°�
vote, all votiag dye, the motion carried unani��u�lyuil Compai�y, r;r�r �•;,,_��
Mr. Glen Hubbard, tinion 011 Real Est3[e Developer, aas presea[ to rerresc;r,,
Union Oil Comaany,
Mr• Clark sa�d Chis is a result of a traffic pattern study made by [he Cic,,
County and SCaGe Highway Depa�tment yecause of the traffic hazard at th�;
intersection. The =eason:for the study w$S ChaC all parties involved felt the
presen� service drive is not a good traffic situation. We ha��e woriced with
Un1on 011 to develop $ service drive around behind the siCe in�ludin
islands to coqCroi Che [raffic flow. The.result of this is that Union i6
wo42d like to 4 ��'i°''s
�elocate LheiT structuze op the site. We are st�ll
with, ths Highway Department on th¢ utility Qase�qent$, No structures wuu.ld
bp on Che ri h negetiating
rezonin $ t�f �'8Y' The whole parcel is zoned C-iS. The reason for the
g request ie tv have the proper Eoning claesification for a servi��
st�t�on. Chr, Eri.ckaoa said the C-15 zonin$ �18S8ification vould allow ehe
convenience store. �e total site was 3/4 ac;e. Mz. Clark saLd the W,
loaing one third of iX 'o iC would be some;h�.ng lesa Chan haif an acre.
Y o' id be
Mr• Lvu1s Hedlund, 930 Hackmann pve,F He said he owsted the
L° th= ajl station. Tnere was a 10 foot planting strip and a fence ��
• his prppe�[y and the station. ihe pu=e 0�1 � P1Opert;+ next
he mainCains i mapany had b.�
the etation �� �e new gexyice rofld w' F�` ''�' `'�' �e�'=2 «._
atld hxe propert � ill elimina[e this Euifer betweer �
Y• He didn t vant �t, He was also concerned iE
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OPFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEpgZNG
BEFORE T�
CITy Cp[RVCII,
� DO WHOM IT MAY CpNCERN:
' Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public
Hearing of the City Council of the City of Fridley in the City
Hall at 6431 Universitq Avenue :I.E. on Monday, January 15, 1973
� in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the coaaidaration of
the following maCter:
ConalderaCion of a request for a Vacation,
SAV li72-06, by State Land 6 Development Co.
bY Paul Burkholder for the following sereet
attd alley;
SSth Avenue between Fifth and Sixth Streets,
Al1 that part af the 12 foot alley located in
Block 10, Hamilton's Add3tion to Mechanics-
ville that is located between Highway /f100 on
the Nprth and 54th Street on the South,
A11 lpcated in the South Half of Section 23,
T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of pnoka,
Minnesota. The City of Fridley will retain the
drainage aad utility easements.
Generally located between Highv�y �100 on the
North, 54th pvenue on the South, Sth Street on
the West and 6th Street on the East.
�Yone desizing tc be heard with reference to the
above maCter will be heard at this meeting,
PRANK G, LIEBL
�YOR
Pub7,ish; ,Tanuary 9, 1973
Januury 10, 1973
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PlanninR Commission Meet:ng -_:,,v�mber ?2, 1972 Ya��� �^
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Mr. Palmquist said they wnald have to raise the grade so that the floor
grade would be compatible with ehe stree[. A retaining wall would be along
the North side approach to tne :.or[�� bay. There is aboue a 3;or 4 foot
transition in the elevation ::ow�n to the service d:ive.
Mr. Klaverkamp agreed [he cars would comE out wet aith this type of
operation.
MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the alanninq Commission
reCeive d copy of the letter dated November 14, 1972 and a cupy of the original.
deed with Phillips Petroleum Co. sent by Mr. Klaverkamp to i�hillips Fetroieum
Company. Upon a voice vote, all votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Dfinish sa;ld [hat recently the Commission has had a number cf similar
requests for allowing different accessory Uses for gas s[ations. It is indica-
tive we have [oo many gas stations in Fridley. He was �elu,.t.,z[ to see the
Commission continue to cater Lo their problems to increase r;� business and
therefore jusCify their demands iur more stations. There i� Ghe ooteatial here
to allow the increase of traffic problem aiid already we have prohlemc kitn
the shopping center, particularly cars waiting ka g<r. onto Mzssi�sippi an�.
thie theseby would add more. He would be willing co .tUOk at [!�a sit� i.f Some-
thing were puE in to prevent the lett turn ehrough the �:rrvi�;� drxvt g�,in�;
Eas[ on Miseiselppi. Until th� problem oE backups is sulved, he did not
wane to ene the eituatton aggravated in any way.
td�TION by Miniah, aeconded by 2eqlen, tY,at the Planriang f:�mmission
recommend approval to Council uE the reaueet for a Special Use !'ermit, SP
M72 16 by Ph�llips Petroleum Company €qr_tjie pgr��}ag�yg� pf the Service
Station per Code 45.101, B, 3, E, but the Planning Commission recommends to
Council denial of the reauest to convert the North stall of the service sta
tion to a car wash and install a car wash machine, per Code 45.101, B, 3 H,
located on the South 120 feet of the F.ast 120 feet of Lot 18, Block 5, Rice
Creek Plaza South Addition. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
2. VACATLUN REQUEST SAV N72-06 BY STATE LAND 6 DEVEI,OFMENT C0. (PAUL
BURKHOLDER): To vaca[e 55[h pvenue between Sth and 6th S[ree[s and
the 12 foot alley located in Bi�ck'10, Hamilton's Addition to ?7echenics-
ville [hat is located between Highway Ii100 on Che t::;r[h and 54tii
Stree[ on the Sout}� being [he property of the Sacred 8eart of Jesus
Polish Catholic Church. •
Chairman Erickgon explained that he received a le[[er Erom Mr. Burk-
holder addressed to him stating he would be unable to attend the Planning
Commission meeting this evening because of ihe marriage of his oldest
daughter. He read the letter.
MOTION by Zeqlen, secunded by 1!inish, t}:at. the ['lann�ny :,'ommission
receive the let.ter dated November 22, 1972 from Paul Burkholder. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried nnanimously.
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MOTION by� Fitzpatrick, s�conded by t+,:n.ish, that the Planninq Cortvr�ission
recommend to Council denial of that part of the vacaYio�; rey�,:est, SAV I{72-06,
involving the vacation of Gia�;� 1�-;, Y,amilton's Additior �-� s �
being SSth Avenue k�etween ��� � E=r.3r� -s�✓illc
-� and ath :treets. �pc;:� a• =c� vote
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aye, the motion carrir_.d wiat�imcu;ly.
3. CONFIRM PLTBLIC HEARING DATE OF DECEMBER 6 1972: Rezoring Request,
ZOA N72-lI, by Un1on Oil Companp, 5695 Hackmann Avetive to rezone from
C-1S {local shcpping) to C-2 �genezal bu,.uess).
MOTSUN by Fitzpatrick, secun3ed k�y Zeglen, t.hai the Planning Commission
, CoAfirm the Public Hearing dato cf Decem,6er E, 197.2 fox the Rezoniny Request,
ZOA N72-11, by Gnion Oil Company. �pon a voice vote, all voi.ing aye, t'c�e
motion carried unanimously.
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4• CONFIRM PUBLIC HEARING DATE OF DECEMBER ti, 197Z: Requr_st for a Special
Use Perinit, SP �72-18, by P.nion Oil Compgn��, `695 Hackmann Avecaae to
construct a convenience store and cor.ci.nue ��., service statiuu.
. MOTIUN by Fitzpatri.ck, seconded by .:eqieu, that `. - i�la>�ning co:rtmission
confirm the py►jlic Hearing date of December 6, 1972 for *_hc ;pecial use
Permit, $p #72-18, by Ur.ion Oil Cct�¢any. Upon a voice vc*�-.-; all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimous;y.
5• CANFIRM PUBLIC HEARING DATE OF DECEMi3E� 6 1972: Proposed RegisCered
Land Survey, P.S. M72-06, by Donald A. Schulta being a replat of Lots
1 aztd 2, Block 1, Edgewater Garder.�.
MO'I'ION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Commission
confirm the Public Hearing date of Uecember 6, 1972 for the proposed Registezed
I.3nd Survey, P.S, N72-U6, by Donald A. Schultz. Upon a voice vote, all votiny
dye. the motion carrie3 ;u�animously. �
6. CONFIRM PUBLIC HEARING DATE OF DECEMBER 6 1972: Preposed Preliminary
Plat, P.S. ll7i-07, ,)im Lund Acrea, by James Lund Cons[ruction Co., 1nc.
� being a replat of Lot 13, auditor`s Subdivision iti�9. (Southeast
corner of 75Ch pvenue and Ce^tral Avenue.
MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the f�ianning Commission
COnfirin the Public Heariny date of December 6, 1972 for the proposed Pre-
lilM1inary Plat, p,g, g7Z_��, ,7im Lund Acres by James Lund Cpnstruction Company,
Ino. Upoq a voice vpte, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
�. CONF�RM PiTBLIC HEAftING DATE OE DECEMBER 6. 1972: Rezoqing Request,
� '. y ames Lun Constructioq Co., Inc., to xezone the Weat
Z4Q �'aQt oR Lpt 13, Auditor'a Subdlviaion N129 from G1 S(1oc81 $hop-
piag) to �-1 (oingle family dwellings).
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THE CITY OF COON RAPIDS
1313 COON RAPIDS QGULEVARD
COOfV RAPIDS, MINNFSOTq 55433
612 755-2880
January 5, 1973
TO: Mayors and City Councils of
, Anoka, F3laine, Calumbia Heights, Coon Rapids, Fridley, and
Sprtng Lake Park
� SUBJECT: Liaison With State Legislature
� During the month of DeCember Mayor Bruce Nawrocki of Columbia Heights
called three meetings oP various Anoka County oPPicials to consider the way
{n whtch communications with the State Legislative representatives of Anoka
1 Courrty might be imprwed over prior years. There are many problems
of loGal government whieh in the past have not been made well k�own to
the State Legisiature, particularly as they might directly aPfect municipal
' government and its ability to provide necessary services. [n past recent
Sessions the ability oP the League of Minnesota Municipalities to corivey
this kind of information has become tess and less. Most importantly
' however is the lack of time which legislators have to devote to locai problems
and thetr need to have accurate information comprising the total picture
pr{or to the time that they vote on an issue.
For these reasons the mayprs present at the December meetings requested the
City Managers to consider alternative ways of improving the liaison with
the legislature.
There appear to be at teast khree alternatives open to the cities of Anoka
Courrty;
1• To corrtinue to depend upon 'the League of Minnesota
Municipalities to represent overall irrterests, and
to tndividually look owt for our own interests.
It should be noted however that there may very well
be t{mes when the ir�terests oP municipatities in
A►�okd Couriky differ from those Of the rest oF the
state. I� addition, the extremely large number of
b�lls which the League staff must watch almost pre-
cludes spectficalty looking out for Anoka Courrty
municipal t�terests.
TWIN CITIES FASTEST GROWING SUBURB
C(�UNCIL�MANAGER GOVERNMENT
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2. To depend upon the services of the Anoka Courrty
Administrator's office. For the past several
legislative sessions the County Administrator
and his assistants have devoted a large share
of their time to closely shepparding various
bills through tNe legislature. They have estabiished
a rapport with legislators, have been fairly
successful, and have been very cooperative in
assisting municipalities on bills of municipal
interest. However, they have their own problems
to look out for, and there may be times when
the interests of the County and its municipalities
conflict with each other.
3, Th� third alternative is for the municipalities addressed
in this memorandum to join together to provide a
common front regarding our mutual interests.
It is felt that the joining should be a format one,
either through a joint powers agreement or using
the existing Anoka County Association of Municipalities
as the vehicle. It would appear that the latter of
these twa would be the most practical'. Under the
. auspices oF the Association an individual, on group
of individuals, specifically knowledgeable in Anoka
County municipal proble ms and having a conversant
knowledge with the County legislators, would devote
the equivalent of a full-time employee to th{s com-
munications problem with the legislators. As an
example, each oF the City Managers From our munici-
palities might devote say one-halF day or one full day
per week during the legisiative session to th{s com -
munications problem and staying on top of �iils oi'
particutar interest. Although this might be affective
(which is questionable) it would probably mean that
admi�istrative problems in our City Halls would
increase. Therefore, perhaps a better alternative,
although more costly, would be for the ,4noka County
Association to employ a full-time Executive Director
who could devote full-time to these activities and
because of the persons expertise in this area do the
job more ePfectively, The municipaliti'es addressed
heretn have indicated that they could p�ide a total
of $22,spp per year to support such an undertaking,
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The tentative commitments for funding are as follows:
Anoka $ 7,p00
Blaine $ 1,000
Columbia Heights $ ��ppp
Coon Rapids $ 5,000
Fridley � 2 �
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$22,500
This amourit of money could provide for an annual salary for the
{ndiv�dual of $17,000, fringe benefits of $2,000, an allowance for
travel expenses of $1,000, postage, telephone and ofFice suppiy
expenses oP $500 and other miscellaneous expenses of $2,Oq0,
The Executive Director's functions and duties would include as
a m{nimum the following:
1.. To inform himself and keep abreast of alt
per�ding legislation and be knowledgeable oP the
effect it will have on the participating municipalities.
2. To meet regularly, if nqt daily during legislative
sessions, with representatives of the Anoka County
legislative delegation and the chairman of important
committees hearing proposed legislatian which would
aPPeet our municipalitiss.
3, To meet and confer regularly w{th the City Managers
and Gity Councils as required to determine the aPfect
oP pendtng legislation on each municipality and to soticit
the position of City Councils on various tegistation.
4, To testify to tegislative committees reyardiny the
position and afPect of various legisiation on the part{��_
pating municipatities.
5. VVhare the opinions of partiCipattng municipattt{as
differ, to attempt to reach a consensus position which
can be agregd to in the best fnterests oP all cpncerned.
6. Tp �staqlish a close working relationship with
representatives oF Anoka County, the League of Minnesola
Muntcipalities, and ather common interest groups regarding
pending legislation,
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7. To p�rform such other duties relating to pending
or pr�oposed legislation as requested by the Anoka County
AssociaCion or individual participating municipaltties.
, 8. To perPorm such reasonable services as may be
r'eQuested by legislators from Anoka� County Prom time
to time.
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Following is a list of spectfic legislative issues, as examples
only and the Itst ts not irrtended to be alt inclusive, indicati�g
the mutualtty oF ir�kerest that exists between aur municip�lities:
Metropotitan Council Legisletive Program including
'. Houstnc� Authorities, Open SpaGe, qirpor•k, anc!
membership of Metropolitan Airports Commtssion.
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fprmula.
ModiPicattOn of the Omnibug Tax Btll of 1971 ,
Revtsion oF �uidelines Act as {t relate5 to Police and
Fire Pensions.
A new brtdge aoross the Mtsaissippt R{ver.
Proposed pccupationat safety and health ptan.
Giving City employees the right to strike versus
compulsory arbitration.
, Unen'�ployment.compensatio� for Ci�y employees.
Cha�nge in ben�Pits Por PERA. •
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It is the consensus of he Ct Manag�r
� tY s in the Cour�y that the Anvka
Cow'ky Assoctation should smploy an xecutive Director at the earliest
�p�Ortunity to pe�form the duties ltsted above and to provide specific
attontion on the legislaiti�re issues listed above. So �hat your specific
feeltnga a� Fhts matter rr�ey be krqw�� „�id you plea,sp discuss them
wlth membars of your City Council at the earliest opportunity gtving
spsctfiC attentton to the need ror a Putl�ime Executive DiroGtor, and
ascondly your Pinancial ability to participate in the undertaking.
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A dinn�r meeting has been scheduled to discuss this matter in greater
deledlar�d to implement a plan of action at Aurrt ,1eriny's Pancake House,
4920 Central Avenue, Columbia Heights at 8:00 o'clock P,M. , Wednesday,
Jmlxaary 17. Would you please phone Maicolm Watson at 788-9221 prior
to that time so that he may know how marry to expect for dinner?
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1313 COON R?+PI�S 60VLE'JARD
COON RAPIOS, tvtINNF.507A 55433
612 755-2880
January 4, 1973
Mayors of Anolca, f3laine, Fridley, Spring Lake Park and
Golumbia Heights
Dear Mayor Ltebl:
1 am sure you share my concern for the potenhial drug abuse problem
in the North Suburban area. This can be a problem which does not
respect municipal boundaries and requires the close Cooperation of alt
erfaCted agencieg if a drug crisis is to be avotded.
In recpgnition oP this, the City of Coon Rapids appiied for and was
�o�tunrxte enough to receive a federat grant through the Gove�nor's
rime Commission to establish the Narth Suburban Youth Services
Cer�ter. This Center has been in operation for several months now
pnd is atready attracting youth„from ali seetions of the metropolikan
�rpa, but most notably from Coon Rapids, Anoka, Blaine, Fridley,
Sprir►g Lake Park and Columbia Heights. For this reason we feel
that you should have a direct interest in its operation.
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, The YoutR Cerrter has been dependent to a large exterrt upon volur�teers
to provide medical services, counseling, etc. A clinic has been established
and a phone line for crisis calts instailed. We would like to have an
,� opportunity to exp�sin the Center's operation to you in greater detait.
Therefqre� I am inviting you or a representative from your City Council
as wetl as your City Manager to attend a joint meeting with your
Counterparts from the communities listed above at the Coon Rrapids City
CoVncil Chambers qn Tuesday, Ja�uary 23, at 7:00 P.M. Would ya,�
pleaBe phone the manager's secretary Jan McCown at 755-2880 to inform
her iP you can be preserrt.
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Mayor
TWIN C�TIES fASTEST GROWING SUBURB
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danuary 11, 1973
ilr. Gerald R. Aavis, Cit� liaaagar
6431 thaiwreity Avenue N.B.
Fridley, Hirinssota SSk2].
Re: Propoaed Additional Protectiaa►
Central Avoaue N.B. Croasi.ug
Fridley, Minnesota
!(innesota Traztafer Railw�y
Dear Mr. Davis:
The Highwa,y Depaartment has besn assigned the railroad eng3neering
f�etions of the Public Sex�rice Cosission. L-� that capacity, we
are rep�iag to yaur Ietter of Biovember 27, 1472, about the above
referettced snbject.
We have field checked this crossing and make bhe folloxing recaan-
mendations baaad on recogiized criteria:
1. At present the passive protection afforded by t1w en-
place signing is adequate, basad on 2 trains per day
and a hhicle volt�s of appraxiaate�y 30Q0 psr d�y.
2. The iaplace "IAOK FOR T9lII(3" warning si.gna should be
aowd to positioas approodmate]y 275 Seet in advanca
of ths cxoasing, to accamodate a 40 m;i.es per hou:
vehicle epeed.
3. 'Using *�arious warrant foimulae to dete�ne t�? r_eces-
sity of crossing si8tals, �re find this to be a bordar
liae cass.
With preaent conditioas, tire hasitate to reocm�end si�g].e ior this
crossing. Aa the area developa, the crosaing should b� evalnated
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Hrnnver, if you wish to petition for a hearin�� as is,axplained in
Mr. K:ndTS letter of Aowaber 30, 197�, you may certa:�il� do ao.
Sincerely, cc: Mr. Jake I,undhei.un; County Sngineer
Anoka, Mian�sota 55303
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. W. Bolsta3 Minneaota �raaeter Fiai]a+�y
Enginser of Railway Negotiations
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CITY COUNCII. PUBLIG NEARING MEE7ING OF JANUARY 15, 1973
The Public Hearing meeting of January 15, 1973, of the Fridley City ccuncil
was cafled to order at 7;42 p.m., by Mayor Liebl,
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
Mayor Liebl led the Council and the audience in say�ng the Pledge of
Allegiance to [ne Flag.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT; �IEBL, UTTER, NEE, STARWA�T.
MEMBERS ABSENT: BREIDER,
ADOPTION OF AgENQA:
MOTION by Councilman Nee to adopt the agenda as presented. Seconded
by Councilman Utter, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
PRESENTATION:
Mayor Liebl called on the City Manager, Gerald Davis, to introduce Dr. Srnith.
The City Manager said the purpose of Dr. Smith's presentation was to explain
the Hewitt Plan and the Guidlines Act as they relate to the Fridley Police
pension Association Retirement Fund. He introduced Dr. Smith of Stennes &
Associates, Actuary for the �egislative Retirement Study Commission.
Dr, Smith said he had read the minutes of the special meeting on the pulice
Pension Purdiny Plan that had been senX him by Mr. Davis and he said these
minutes seem to imply that the Police and Fire Guidlines Act of i969 was
the first law thai had any provisions relative to financing of police and
Fire Pension funds. He said these provisions were not new. He stated in
the interim of 1955 to 1957 the State Legislature conducted an actuarial
evaluation of first, the State wide funding and secondly the local fundiny
of Police and Fire Pensian funds. At this time the Legislature found the
state retirement funds were in terrible shape. He said that eight out o` nine
plans were unable to meet pension obliyations az that time. He said the result
of the actuarial evaluation was the adoption of certain principles to be applied
to the funding of the Sta�e plan, which established a method to be used to
determine the liability of these funds, or the establishmcnt of the factor and
term referre� to as the unfunded accrued liability or defici L This figure
ran into several millio� dollars for the State plans. The Legislature set a
goal of forty years to retire the larga dificit of the State wide funds. At
that time the s[ate appropriated money to retir@ the deficit and recommendea
that municipalities do the same thing. He said the Legislature recornmended
the PERA fund, as it had the same problem, follow the same principle, and
reduce the deficit by Che same date or by 19g7,
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' method wouid be maintained qn a basfs whereby ;here will always be money
available to pay for penslon when the need arises. In contrast to that proposal,
he said, the methvd the State Legi5lature had wprked with [he State funds is
' that by t997 those funds wi)1 reBGh a point where, from that point forward when
an employee comes up to retfrement, the contributlong will have completely funded
the cost of thls benefits. With the Guidllnes and the Hewitt proposal, one
never reaches that point. He said, under the Guidlines Act, the employees who
' are hired in the future, xheir beneflts will be fully paid for if you regard them
as a separate group, but the deffciencies of the past are never paid up. He
continued, under khe Hewitt plan the financing is eve� lower, and he said he
' thought the financing,at any given point should at least involve the pensions
being pald during the c�Iven year, A150-prqmised., i�t addition, he said, ouer
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fifty years there will be a somewhat large"r sum contributed each year'and the
' fund will reach tha pofnt where there will be a back log of funds on hand at
least equal to the estimated pension requirements of the next ten years. He
added a further thought relative to the history by stating, it was implied
by the minutas of the Specia� �e[ing that there are no funds in Minnesota
' or public funds maintatnsd on a level at least as good as required by the
Guidlines Act. He said that statement wuld be correct if implied exclusively
to Police and Fire Pensio� Funds, he added, there are no Police and Fire Pension
' funds that he kn6w of that are funded adequakely in accordance with the police
and Fire Guidlines Act. He reminded those present that all [he State wide funds,
the State system, the Public system, the highway patrol and teachers are main-
tained at a level higher than the Police and fire Guidlines Act, in that it is
' provided that the actudrial deficit will be retired by the year 1997 and from
that point forward, each employees benefits will be paid for during his active
working lifetime.
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He referred to the memorandum he had drawn up for the Commission saying he �.�ouid
like to cit� some ways the actuarial deficits may grow. He said he nad carried
his figures out tor roughly fifty years and under the set of projections the
accrued deficit couYd grpw three times its original'leuel. He added, in regard
to the percentages of pdyroll, the figures were based on the assumption that
the economy will grow over this fifty year period. Dr. Smith said in spite of
this growth in economy the size of accrual deftcit will grow several times its
present size, related to the payroll at that point and would �ot decrease its
present level. �
�2ating an imperfect analogy would be if one had a mortgage on their home, and
with the growth in e�onorrry, one could get an additional amount on this mor[gaqe
next year, fifty years from now this mortgage may be several times its presen[
size, He said, the amount of the mortgage related to the increased va)ue of
the property at that time enables the ratiq to recline. Relating this analogy
to the a�crual deficit, Dr, Srnikh added, it will yrow several times under the
expanding economy, but related to [he increased payroll.at that time the ratio
might have gone dpwr�, He said, whether on� feels they can !ive complacently
with this sort of s(tuation or not is somewhat a personal reaction.
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Mayor Liabt said he believed there was strengkh in the G1ty's pension plan as
there was time to reach the regutred amount and bulld Interest because of tha
especlally young force, pr, Smlth agreed.
9ruce Nawrpcki, Mayor, Golumbia�Heights, sald Cotumbia Heights is facing the
samg prabl�m. Hp said h� had not ca�ne to get fnvolved w(th the City of Fridley,
but had attendad iht meeqing with the hope of getting some answers. He mentioned
the history and th� �stablishment of the huqe actuar�l deficit, and added hz
belteved [he statutes and gufde)tines established to reduce these deficits are
rather cruel. He added, the statutes gave the i�dividual retirement association
the authority to set the penslon benefits eacalatlon. He said a numuer of
associations revfew on an annual 6asis and set 'h�enefi; schedules. When the
requirements of ,the plan.are not complJed wlth, the plan is In tro��le. He sa�j
the benefits should be kapt cons(st�3nt with the funding of the plan with maximu�n
benefit lavels Set. He said, (t can not be takan fur granted that so��eone� d�wn
tlte i f ie Wj I I ,3K� care vF t�i3 pro�lei��. Ne added, �nder the Guidel lnes Act, the
local;u�it of government would pick up khe casC, whatever the price may be. ,{e
said '�e is a�aare Cher� �.�e nu ea;;• answers L� �•ia probl�m, b ir if ther� we„�
any answars at all, he would like Xp hear them.
Maypr Liebl said the taxpayer should be co�si��ered. NP did �r;C �ael the �i:y
sh��uld pay a yraaCa• ampunt ea•�'i year. By 198k tti° Ci:� ��uld t�ave to pay 60%,
he ad�ied. Ne quesCionad the,feasibility of payfiig the same amount as the City
is paying now. Ha said he thuught this i5 '.V�13C C!ie �{ewi:t Pla�i ��u!i acc��nplish,
Most of tl�� l�cal communftles wuuld be ta;e� �ff the hook if they followed tne
pla,n. �
Mayor Na�rucKi, agreed establidhi.ig a level vf payment would Se a desira�ie
factor. Ha added, _iaro i•; su:na q•.ias:'�i oF equfr,,, ,3, ��., Jid iot Seliei::
!h: iewitt plji c:iaiga.l anythi�j. In his •�pinic�n it put the pay,.ieats for
bene�its decided apon today, i�Xo the future for those comi�g after �s to "pay.
He-questions what would happe:i if someqne .��� �::�e f.�rce sh�uld ;,a��� n ii;aoi�.ity
beFore t:iis tine, wh� aaas :.� aay pc�r,;ir. .:a��a ,�° 'ii; Family� ,\uC��.�- f;;,_�,•
to be �,>��;��.,-,>.� i; ,�hdk i, °a� • i;_� �ne group ��f p4ople shpuld be fair wit'i
another group, he sai i. W'f l l the people who picK up the gart�age want _�i� .an�
banefi:;, �: a;;�ed.
Mayor Liebl sa(d they would have �o negotiate with the Police pension Associa-
' tlon and come to a decision. �He safd it must ba looked at from a tax stand-
point, a financial standpoi�t and a conservative sta�dpoint. The present
plan under the Guide](nes Act Is Impossibla and Impracttcal, he added, He
. said it is neces5ary to work some�hing out that is fl�ancially feasible.
Mr. Kennedy said everyone ta�ks as if the world Will go on forever when dis-
cussing a pensian plan, he added, even if the world goes on forever and the
City pays 21%, ft w(I1 cut the baneffts in half,
Mayor L�iebl asked Dr, $m�th if there were any private firm� where the employer
pald 21�. Dr. Smith answered> the top range fo� private employers to pay into
a retirament fund ts IQ�-15°,G, �la added there arm soma reasons for thts, th�
average age of retlrement Is aga 65. However, the Publlc $ervice employee
has a greater physical ytress. The Policeman must be a61e to wrestle with
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PUBLIC HEARING ON STREET IMPROUEMENT PROJECT ST, 1973-I, ADDENpUM al (GUMWOOD
STREET FROM 77TH WAY TO 78TH WAY AND ALLEY BETWEEN GUMWOOD STREET & BEECH
STREET)
MOTION BY Councilman Utter to waive the public hearing notice. Seconded by
Councilman Starwalt. Upvn a voice vote, ali voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
ihe nbtion carried.
, The C�ty Engine8r bt"ie��'y' explained Che action pla�ned. He had talked with
the people and-thay had agreed -to t'�dc�-care-o� the access on Gumwood & AI1ey
paving themselves.
MOTION by Gouncilma� Utter to close the public Hearing. Seconded by Cou��il-
man Nee. Upo� a voi�e vote, all vqting aye, Mayor �ieble declared the motion
carried unanimously and the public hearing ctosed at 9:10 p.m.
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MOTION by Gouncilman Utker to waive the reading of the Public Hearing notice.
Seconded by Councilman Starwalt, UpO� a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor
Liebl declared the motion earried. '
The C�ty Engineer expla)ned thak some of the property involved was zoned
comm�rcial and some resldentlal, The proposal was to have the entire plat
zoned residential, The City Engjneer added the planning Commission had
recqmmended approval.
Councllman Starwalt sa�d he had met with some pf the closest property owners
and there was no pbjeGtion to this zoning. He asked if there was anyone in
the audience who was opppsed to (t. There wera no objections.
Mayor �iebl asked the C(ty,Engineer if the oyerall project would be better
if the zoning were all Single family dwelling, The City Engineer said this
Would improve the project.
MOTION by Coun�ilman Starwalt to c�ose the public Hearing on khe final plat.
Seconded by Caunctlman Utter. upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mdyor
�lebl der.lared khe motipn carrie�i, and the publiC hearing closed at 9:15 p.m.
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' MOTION by Councilman Utter to close ihe Pu61ic Hearing. Seconded by Council-
' man Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor L1ebl declared the mot�on
carried and the public H�ar)ng clased at 9:25 p.m.
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The City Engineer said the Planning Gomnission had recommended approval of
va�ating the alley but nat the roadway. He said the builder was willing to
go along with this stipulation.
' Mayor �iebl asked the members pf the Polish National Cemetary that were pre-
sent if they agree to give proper aecess. They answerad yes.
' MOTION oy Councflman Utter to close the Public Hearfng, Seconded by Council-
man Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
motio� carried and the public Hearing closed at 9:3Q p,m.
' RECEIVING REpORT UN LIAISON WITH STATE LEGISLATURE
Mayor Liebl ca��Qd on the City Manager to give a brief report. The City Mana-
' ger said there had bean a meeting W(th John Cottingham, City Manager of Coon
Rapids, and members of other comnunities in Anpka County, including himself
and Mayor Liebl. The purpose of ihefr meeting, according to the C�ty Manager,
' was to determine a method where the comnunities in Anoka county would have
better contact with the legislators and enable them to express their viewpoints.
He said they had decided upon three alternatives;
' 1) Continuation of dependence on the League of Minnesota Municipal-
ities to represent overall interests in the state. He added
this was very broad coverage as the League represents all the
' Communities in the State.
Z) Spliting the work up between �ity Managers in the County, a�d
' they would do the lobbying. The �ity Manager said this would
take away from their various duties and create a lack of con-
tinuity as so many people would be sent as representatives.
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poal the(r resources and hire an individual with adequate know-
ledge to do th)s for the �ommunities.
The C�ty Manager said that the�e had been tentatfve funding commitments
established. He �aid it.was the opinion of tha tommittee that the third alter-
native was the most suitable. A full time man could be hired to have ciose
communication with the legislators.
Mayor �.iebl said Fridley'S cortmitment, $2,500; was a very conservative nn�+.
He said he had npt wanted to commit the City to a cer[ain amount. He .� ci Fe
had talked to many people about this proposal and they agree it is a sound ore
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PUBLIG HEAkING MEETING
JANUARY 15, 1973
CC,�(�OIl.`e�
willing to attend the joint meetfng regarding the North Suburban Youth Ser-
vices Center, Tuesday �dnuary 2j, 7;q0 p,m., i� the Cpon Rapids Council Chambers.
MOTION by Councilman Utter t,o receive the corrmun(ca�ion from Donald G. Erlandson,
Mayor of Coon Rapids Dates 1-4-73• Seconded by ��unc�lman Nee, Upon a voice
vote, all votfng aye, Mayor Liebl declared the mqtion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Councilman Nes tp recei�a the communication from J. W. Bolstad,
Engineer of Railway Negotfations dated January Ij, 19]j, regarding the proposed
additional protection at the Central Avenue N,E. CrosSing. Seconded by Council-
man Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor �,iebl declared the motion
carried.
' CONTINUED DISCUSSION OF FRIDLEY POLICE PENSION ASSOCIATION RETIREMENT FUND
The City Manager asked the members of the Councll whaX their opinions were as
, how to approach Lhe Pollce Pension Plan, as ic has become a major problem.
He said the administration was seekfng reaff{rmation pr.direction.
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The Mayor expressed his desire for solid hard negotiation to meet the obligation.
Councilman Nea asked if it would be possible to place the new men on pERA,
Councilman Utter said his opinlon would be to raise the retirement age irom
50 to 55 and review the escalatfon clause every [hree years.
The City Attorney sald the members of the Poli�e pension Association want
' the Council to approve the Hewitt Plan. Councilman ryee said the problem with
the F{ewitt Plan would be getting the people thirty years from now to pay for
the service done tq�lay, Councilman Nee said he was in favor of a pay as you
' go plan. He said he thou�ht it would be better to pay more today than to
expect your children to pay for ix (n the tuture,
The City Manager expressed con�ern aC whether a sensible plan could be reached.
' Mayor Liebl said the �ity had made a commitment in 1966 and in his opinion the
City shou)d comp�y,
' 7he Clty Manager askad if zhe gQtectlon of new peaple should be delayed until
some agreement Is made on their rezjrement plan? Councilman Starwalt asked it
it would be possib�e tq hire them w(thout telling them what tha plan would be?
' The City Manager sa�d they would Ilke ko hlre tha new men soon to enable them
to attend the rookla traintng schop�, which is only affered once a yea�,
Gouncilma� Nee asked if ft wara poss�ble tp hire tha me� and place them un a
PE►�A plan.
The �Ity Attqrney �ugyested they xalk about dual p�ans as an alternative and
see what the rea�;I4n ie, Tha �ity Manayer safd he would like son,e solid
direction on a positlon of tha Launcil to determine the Cicy's obligaticns.
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Pretiminary Assessment Estimate
FUBLIC HEARING ON IMPROVEMENT
STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
ST. 1973-1 (Addendien No. t}
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PRELIMINARY ASSESSMEPIT ROLL
STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST, 1973-1 (ADDENDUM N0, 1)
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2 ` Notice of Hearing
3 Map of Area Invoived
4 Preliminary Assessment Ro11
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5 List of Names and Addresses of Property Owners
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
MEMORANDUM
T0: GERALD R. DAVIS, CITY MANAGER, AND CITY COUNCIL
FROM: MARVIN C. BRUHSELL, ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER/FINANCE DIRECTOR
SUB.IECTc PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL - ST. 1973-1, ADDENDUM
N0. 1, STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
DA7E: JANUARY 4, 1973
The proposed improvement project involves the surfacing of�Gumwood
Street from 77th Way to 78th Way and the alley between Gumwood
Street artd Beech Street.
The construction on Gumvood Street is not being done to normal
street specifications but is being surfaced instead to a width
of sixteen feet including the curbs. This street will serve more
as an alley than as a street.
The estimated cost of tf►e improvement is $7.87 per front foot for
both the street and the alley. The side yard assessment is estimated
at $4,47 per foot.
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OPFICIAL PUBLICATION
CITY OF FRIDLEY
iB7IitIBIT 6) ,
�OTICE OF AEARING UN IIMPItUVEPfENTS
STREET IMPROVEhfENT PROJECT ST. 1973�1 F, ST. 1973-2 (hiSAS) ADD. 1
iiHEREAS, the City Council of the City of Fridley, Anoka County,
Minnesota, has deemed it expedient to receive evidence pertaining to the
imprwements hereinafter described.
1�1W THEREFORE, NOTICE IS HEgEgy GIVa7 T�AT on the 15th day of
_ JanLarv , 1973 at •7.3� o'clock P,M. the City Council wi11
meet at the City Hall in said City, and will at said time and place hear
all parties interested in said improvements ia whole or in part.
The general nature of the improvements is the construction (in the
Isads and streets noted below) of the following i.mprovements, to-wit:
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CONSTRUCTION ITEM
Streets_Under Proiect ST 1973-1 Addendum #1
Gumwood Street from 77th Avenue to 78th Avenue
Alley 117 feet North of 77th Avenue between Gumwood Street and
Beech Street
ESTIFIATED COST . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 12,500.00
TBAT TNE ARF.A PROPOSED TO BE ASSESSED FOR SAiD II�ROV�ITS IS AS FOLLOWS:
For Constructian Item abwe _____________________________________
AlI of the Iand abutting upon said streets named above and a11
lands within, adjacent and abutting thereto.
All of said land to be assessed proportionately according to the
benefits received by such improvements.
, That should the Councii proceed with said i.mprovements they will consider
each separate improvements, except as hereafter otherwise provided by the
Council all under the following authority, to-wit: Minnesota Statutes 1961,
' Chapter 429 and laws amendatory thereof, and in confonnity with the City
Charter.
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DATED THIS 18th DAY OF December , 1972, By ORD�R OF THE CZTY
COUNCZL.
Publish: January 3, 1973
January 10, 1973
MAYOR - Fra:i�: G. L�.;�1
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PRELIMINARY ASSESSMENT ROLL
STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT STe 1973-1 (ADDENDUM NOe 1)
'EET ANO ALLEY BETHEEN GUMWOOD AND BEECH STREETS
IPTION FRONT ST. FRONT ST. SIDE ST, SIOE STa TOTAL ESTIMATED
OCK FOOTAGE ASSESSMENT FOOTAGE ASSESSMENT COST
TION
5 208 $ t,636.96 - - $ 1,636.96
5 280 2,2o3a60 244(Pt.6) $ I,o9oe68 3,294,28
6 208 1,636,96 - 1,636,96
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6 80 629.60 80 357.60 987,20
6 �►0 314,80 4o T78,8o 493.60
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(L.13-163109 ) Pt.i4)) � )
1,1� ft, 9,270, 502 ft. $,�2 ,9�+ i1,51 . 0
' Totai Estimated Cost: $11,500.00 • 1,463 feet =$7.87 per front foot.
1�178 feet x$7,87 per foot =$9,270.86
285 feet x 57.87 per foot =$2,242.95
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PRELINIMARY ASSESSltENT ROLL
STREET TMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1973-1 (ADOENOUM NO 1)
' LEGAL OESCRIPTION NAFlE AND RUDRESS
LQT BLOCK
' ONAWAY AODITION
1- 5 5 Francis and Lois Mderso�
� c% Edgar 11. Hauser
1401 - 46th Rvenue North
Ninneapolis, Minnesota 55412
' 6' 8 S Edwar W. Houser
1401 - 4bth Avenue North
Hinneapolfs, Minnesota 55412
' �- 5 6 Ronatd and Denise Smith
1785 eeech Street Northeast �
' . FridTey, Minnesota 5543z
6 b 7 6 George L. DahTberg
803 - 88th Lane Northwest
tCoon Rapids� Minnesota 55433
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t10 6 Arnold A. and Fiorianna Peterson
22 U Eillmore Street Northeast
' Minneapotis, Minnesota 55418
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' 12 -(6 6 Donald and Myrtle M. Underwood
51 - 77th Way Northeast
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INFORMATION RELATING TO •
FUNDING OF THE FRIDLEY
POIICE PENSION ASSOCIATION
RETIREMENT PLAN
JANUARY 15� 1973
T A 8 L E 0 F C 0 N T E N T S
LETTER TO DR. FRANKLIN SMITH, STENNES
S ASSOCIATES
REPORT ON "ACTUAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO POLICE
PENSION ASSOCIATION COMPARED TO THOSE REQUIRED
UNDER THE GUIDELINES ACT", DATED DECEMBER 22,
1972
LETTER DATED JULY 11, 1972 FROM POLICE PENSION
ASSOCIATION ON SUBJECT OF FINANCING POLICE PENSION
PLAN
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REPORT ON POLICE PENSION FUND DATED
MARCH 26, 1971
ACTUARIAL VALUATION OF THE FRIDLEY POLICE
PENSION ASSOCIATION AS OF JANUARY 1, 1969
COMPARISON OF FRIDLEY POLICE PENSION ASSOCIATION
PLAN TO THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE RETIREMENT ASSOCIATION ,
CPUBLIC SAFETY PLAN)
MEMO FROM LEAGUE ON POLICE AND FIREMEN'S
PROPOSAL FOR FINANCING LOCA� PENSION PLANS
DATED APRIL 27, 1972
GVS MINNESOTA MEMO N0. 71-14, MARCH 24, 19T2,
ON PROPOSAL FOR FUNDING POLICE AND FIRE
EXCALATOR PLANS
BACKGROUND MATERIAL ON HEWITT PLAN
MINUTES OF SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING OF
NOVEMBER 27, 1972
COST COMPARISON OF PENSION PLANS FOR CITY
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6t31 UNIYERSITY AVENUE NE
Dr. Frsaklin Smith, Associate
Society of Actnaries
George V. Stenaes & Associates
lst Hational Bank Building
Minneapolis, Minnes.ots
Dear Dr. Smith:
ANOKA COUNTY
December 20, 1972
FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55421
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Pursuant to our telephone conversation, I wanted to verify ihat
we plan to have you appesr bePore the Fridley City Council on idon3a-
January 15 , 1973 a-c j�
, 7:30 P. M., to discuss the reauirements o° iknding
nnder the "Guidelines Act" with particular emphasis on the status of
funding oP the Fridley Police Pension Association plan.
As I indieated to you, we are trying to explore with the Fri3lef
Council and the Fridley Police Pension Association the aliernatives
ia order to reduce the i'inancing reouirements of the Cii� to 210 0_°
Police payroll For the Police pension �lan.
➢uring last summers negotiatioas, i secured an aPr=ement from tkiz
Police Pension Association indicating they would work wit?: us io reach
our goal. On BTovenber 27, 1972, we had a special *�eetisg to discuss t'r.e
'$e`ritt Plan" as requested by tne Police Pension Association. I am
enclosing the minu�es :'rom that meeting as well as tne crritten m�terial
uhich sras handed out to the Council concerning tiie 3ec�i+i Plan. I
suggested to the Council, that bePore they take an;� action sucn as an
endorsement of the Heaitt Plan, that �re invite you ost to di;cuss the
funding reaniren_�nts of the Guidelines Act and •�rh�- tne Gui3elines Ac�
�ras put into effect. I am sending �ou �u�Dlemea�ar? in_ormaiicn on ';ae
Police pension glan which I ho�e you cr_'�1 find wili be .'�,e1Dfu1.
I guess th� basic thing I s�iZl hav= a quest_c.^. or is'whether t!:e
Hewitt Plan is a sound and conservative apnroa=h tc pensi;n iinaac'_:g,
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' share oP 21�,there will have to be a reduction in benePits to accomplish
this even under the Aewitt Plan.
' I will be inviting the Police Pension Assocation Board of Directors
to be in attendance at your presentation a1so. F1e wi11 be inter�ste3
in hearing the reasons Por the Guidelines Act and a critique of the
' Hewitt Plan. S wi11 Purnish the written critique dated April 17, 1972
of the Hewitt Plan to the Council as well as the proposal for funding
Police and Fire escalator plans which you furnished me.
' The £ee Por your services to attend this meeting should be sent
to my attention. If you have any questions regarding the oresentation,
� or �esire any Yurther information prior to the meeting on January 15th,
' please get in iouch wiLh me.
Yery truly yours,
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, Gerald R. Davis
City Manager
GRD/ms
' Attachments
' P. S. The meeting on January 15th will be in the Gouncil Chambers,
Civic Center, 6431 University Avenue N. E., Fridley, Minnesota
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MEMORANDUM
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T0: ✓ferald R. Davis, City Manager
FROM: Marvin C. Brunsell, Assistant City Manager/Finance Director
SUBJECT: Actual Contributions to Police Pension Association compared to
those required under the Guidelines Act.
' DATE: December 22, 1972
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6uidelines Act to the Police Pension fund, with the actual contributions
to the fund.
The amounts required for the years 1971 through 1973 and the actual contributions
are as follows:
Requirements under
Year Guidelines Act
1971 $ 53,001
1972 71,460
1973 92,220
Total $216,681
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$ 52,820
$21,764 Insurance + 56,396 taxes = $ 78,160
21,764 Insurance + 48,492 taxes =$ 70,756
$2a1,736
Also attached hereto and shown as Exhibit "A" you will find the amounts that wi71
be required under the Guidelines Act for years throuqh 1985. These figures are
based on the present Guidelines Act and usina the Stennes Report for the r.ormai
cost: This report shows that in the year 1974 the City will have to levy
$117,388, in 1975 $157,382 and in 1976 �]87,101. This assunes there are no
edditional personel added to the force.
Exhibit "B" is a table showing what the unfunded liability arould accrue to if th�
City kept levying 21/ of payroll as opposed to H�hat is required under the 6uideiines
Act. This shows that by 1985 there would be a defic;t of $2,575,�83 in the fund.
Shown in Exhibit "C' is a table of �,�hich displays the same information as Table "A"
except that instead of using 51.6Y of salary for normal cost a figure of 47,6" is
used. This fioure for normal cost comes from the Newitt Actu,irial R�port. N.�,;itt
is assuming that the averaqe p�itrolman will v�ork untii �8 yaars of zge even thouqh
he is eligible for retirement at aqe 50. ihis is ,my ine r�orrai cost is less usinc
the iiewitt Actuarial Survey. Tne Ne�vitt Actuarial Report has no reiationshio to �n�
Hewitt P7an, other than the fact that �•inen Hewitt is oiving out in�'ormation en
Hewitt Plan he is using as the normal cost fioures developed in the Hewitt Actuari3l
5urvey.
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6lF31 Ur�iversity Ave. I�'.E.
F.ridley, Minnesota 55432
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, July 11, 72
Mr Gerald Davia , City Iianeger
,City of Fridley '
6l�31 University Ave. N.E
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
' Dear Mr Davia:
Persuant to your letter of June 29,"1972 the membership hsa authorised me to
' prepare and aubmit the following atetement to you and the city council:
" The Fridley Police Pension Aasociation agrees that it xill negotiate pension
'benePits Por 1973. It Purther agrees to collaborate in tha deVelopment and
aupport of legislation which xill have the effect of reducing the employera
ahare of the aoat of tiafancing the penaion benePit p2an to 21� of base salary.�
,Pleeae fael free to contact the asaociation or myselP at any time regarding
thia matter.
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'fayor Liebl
Couneilman Brieder
Councilman Middleatadt
Councilman IItter
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G-�l.u"i � E/-!�"-�'t�-
Richa7�d D. Huas
Vice President
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FROM:
DATE:
SUBJECT:
. �it� o f �rid�e�
6r31 UNIVERSITY AVENUE NE
THE CITY COUNCIL
ACTING CITY MANAGER
MARCH 26, 1971
POLICE PENSION FUND
ANOKA COUNTY
56 8
FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55421
' We have receiaed additional information from the actuary on the Police
Pension Fund. We have received the information on the fund based on the present
' program and the condition of the fund if certain changes were made. We have
also now received information from Stennes and Associates om a pension plan
that would cost 28.5% of salary.
The fund is in worse shape than we had been projecting it. We had been
projecting a deficit of $541,200 as of December 31, 1970. According to the new
Stennes report, the deficit in the fund as of December 31, 1970 is $692,029.
This deficit will be $776,465 as of December 31, 1971. It wi11 continue to
grow at a rather substantial rate for the next several years and will level off
at $995,000, providing the City makes the payments required by the Guidelines
Act. These payments will be a minimum of $72,571 by 1972, $166,671 by 1976,
and $221,529 by 1981. The above figures are a minimum and could very well be
higher, especially if salaries go up more than 5% per year, or if additional
Policemen are added.
On the attached cost comparison sheet, you will see the cost of the plan as
it now is constituted, the cost of the present plan if the escalator were
eliminated, the cost of the present plan if the retirement age were raised to
age 55, and the cost of the present plan eliminating the escalator, age 55
retirement, and based on the last five years of salary rather than the ending
salary.
To pay the normal cost of [he present plan without paying anything on the
, deficit would come to nearly three times the two mills we are now paying. (See
projection of tax Levy requirements based on Guidelines Act.) Any increase in
personnel, of course, would increase this.
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Enclosurer.
1. Cost comparison sheet
2. Projection of levies required under Guidelines Act
3. Latest actuarial report - George Stennes & Assoc.
4. Letter from Stennes & Assoc. ,: , _..-
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' FRIDLEY POLICE PENSION ` George V. Stennes & Associate=_
tMARCH 23, 1971
I. PRESENT PLAN
(Fu1l Escalation - Retirement Aqe 50}
eA. Normal Cost $133,157* Accrued Liability $838,645
Assets 146,616
' Minimum Support Unfunded Accrued Liability $692,029
$133,157 3% of Accrued Liability $ 20,761
20,761
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' * Determined as a levei percentage of increasing payroll.
The percentage is 133,757/258,060 = 51.6%
(258,060 = 935 x-12 x 23 = Monthiy salary x 12 x No. of inen)
� PRESENT PLAN - ELIMINATE ESCALATION AfTER RETIREMENT ,
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B. Normal Cost $TOO,OOT* Accrued Liability $629,382
' Assets 146,616
Minimum Support Unfunded Accrued Liability $482,766
' $100,007 3% of Accrued liability $ 74,483
14,483
$114,490
' * See above 100,007/z58,060 = 38.8%
' PRESENT PLAPJ - MI�lIMUM AGE 55 - NO ESCALATION AFTER RETIREMENT
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C. Normal Cost $ gg,g44 Acsrued Liability $560,420
Assets 146,616
' Minimum Support Unfunded Accrued Liability $413,804
$ 89,994 3% of Accrued Liability $ 12,414
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$702,408
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, Normat Cost $ 97,233* Accrued Liability $596 881
Minimum Support
$ 97,233
13,508
$110,741
* See page 1 97,233/258,060 = 37.7%
Assets 146,616
Unfunded Accrued Liability $450,265
3% of Accrued Liability g 13,508
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' PRESENT PLAN �iITH FOLLOWING CHANGES
' E. 20 years and age 55
50% of final 5-year averaqe pius ZZ for each year over 20 (Max.70%)
� No escalation after retirement
Normal Cost $ 89,867*
Minimum Support
$ 89,867
12,568
$102,435
* See page 1 89,867/258,06Q = 34.8%
Accrued Liability $565,554
Assets 146,616
Unfunded Accrued Liability $41&,938
3% of Accrued Liability $ 12,568
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� FRANICLIN C. SMITH,A.S.A
]OHN H. FLIT[I6, F9.A.
�1AN83 W. KEMeLE, F3.A.
WI[.L7AM G. NORDSSROM, F3.A.
C. D. SPANGLER, F.CA.P.
� TIiONAS P. EASON. YSA
ORLEN B. LUNDE, F3.A.
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G%EORCiE V. STENNES `AND ASSOCIATE$
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Mr. Marvin C. Brunsell, City Manager
City of Fridley
6431 University Avenue N. E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
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. .. . . PENSION ADIdIN13TRA'[OR
ROSALYN BERNSTEM
, . . CAROLYNRVCKER
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Dear Marvin: ,
Re: Fridley Police Retirement Plan
This letter will give you basic cost figures for the Lwo proposals discussed
over the phone this afternoon.
The first of the two proposals uses tLe benefit percentages of the present
plan, but the benefit percentages are applied to the average salary of the last five
years of service prior to retirement or other event for which a benefit is being
paid; the requirements for a retirement benefit are the completion of 20 years
oF service and the attainment of age 55.
The normal cost under this proposal turned out to be $84, 932 which again
has been determined as a level percentage of increasing payroll with a percentage
of 32. 9%. The information about the unfunded accrued liability is as follows:
Accrued Liability $ 528, 851
Assets 146, 616
Unfunded Accrued T_.iability 382, 235
Thus, the minimum support level becomes
Normal Cost
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Accrued Liability
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$ 96, 399
The second set of cost figures is related to an effort to bring the normal
cost down to 27. 5%. We were able to do this by using the approach which has
been labelled as Alternative No. 1 but with the retirement benefit 40% of the
final average salary plus 2% for any service in excess of 20 years, with a
DES MOINES MINNEAPOLIS .� LINCOL'V .
ENCLOSL`RE N0. 4A.
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disability benefit of 40% of final average salary and with a widow's benefit of
20%. In other words, all of the benefits except the orphan's benefit have been
scaled down with a fraction of 4/5; also the increment for service beyond 20
years has been retained at the 2% leveL
The normal cost for this set oE beneEits turned out to be $73, 550 which
again has been determined as a level percentage of increasing payroll with a
percentage of 28. 5%.
The information relative to the accrued liabilitp is as follows:
Accrued Liability $ 46U, 838
Assets 146, 616
Unfunded Accrued Liability 314, 222 �
The minimum level of support thus becomes
Normal Cost $ 73, 550
3% of Unfunded
Accrued Liahility 9> 427
Total $ 82, 977
, As agreed over the phone, we will proceed to duplicate a report which
covers the valuation of the present plan. The other proposals which have been
discussed with you informally including the two which are the subject of this
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FRIDLEY POLiCE PENSION ASSOCIATION
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JANUARY 1, I969
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George V. S[ennea and Associates
Consulting Actuariae
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, the Fridi�y ��i�ce �,^�.�ic� Ag�usiatao�a. Th� ���a�4av�a cwz�YS 4he
mtmisership of tha fund as showr_ i.z 4�.e cer.�us o? m�m�ess v'�i�� as
, iaelud_d in thia ze�ort. Details of the heaefiEs under the pl?n, esti-
malac of the asset� .off the fund, and m�rr_barehi� c�a?a w�re furnfaned
by the lLsaoeia4ioza.
' T'�ia a��azt cov�sa ih.e falaoaa�� aB�r�ss:
' A. Beae�'iea c4 t3:e Plaaa.
B. Asacmptio�� in ActasBranl 1r°alna¢ioa. ,
' C. Resulta of Valnatioa.
E1, Discussion o4 Results.
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' F. Certification by Actssary.
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As•o[ January 1, ls�b9, the Plaa provided major benefita as ahown:
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a. Reqe�seaxs�n� for retirer�at:
50 yeara of age; 20 years of aervice.
b. Monthly annuity when miaimum requiremeats are met:
46 2/3% of first grade patrolman'e salary.
c. Ad3itional monthly annuity after minimum requirements are met:
I 1/3�{0 of first grade patrolman's aalary for each year ot
service beyond 20 years; maximum beneiit 56%.
2. Diaabilitv Benefit:
s. Requirements (years of aezviee and age):
(1) In line of duty: None
(2) Not in line of duty: None
b. Benefit: �
(1) In Iine of duty:
48% of first grade patrolman's aalary.
(2) Not in line of duty: �
Same .
3. Withdrawal Benefit: �
Member's contributions are returned withont interest.
4. Widow's Bene4it (Month2y Annnizy):
24 u o: first grade patrolman's .-alary.
5. Orphan's Benefit (Monthly Annuity}: ,
8�/0 of first grade patrolman's salaryto age I8.
6. Escalation of Ben�fits •
Benetits are adjusted each year to relate to the cnrsenk
salary of a first grade patrolman.
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1. Mortalit,: United�'�ees Life Tables, 1959-61
( White Edalea and White Femalea) .
Theae tablea were ueed for both
aetive snci retired members, and
ios aurvivora.
t. Diaability: The ratea oi diaability were adapted
irom esperi�nce of the New York Stste
Employees' Retirement 5ystezn, g-a-
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decreasing uaiformly to zero at age 5U
�vith na withdrawals after that age.
S. Salary Seale: Salaries were aasumed to increase 3%
each year.
5. Retirement Age: The sennmed average age at retirement
- for thie fund was Sb. a.
6. Iaterest: 3°�e compounded annually.
It is felt that these assumptions are appropsiate for the valuation oi
this fund on a rea2iatic basis.
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Normal Cost of Benefits a T9.641
' ' Accrued Liability � 462, 727
Z. Current Deficit from Falt Fundin�. .
' `Accrued Liability � 462, 727
Assets in Fund * Sb.629
' Unfunded Accrued Liability (Defieit} $ 406, 098
3. Annual Payment to Achieve Fu21 Fundin� by 2997.
' Annual Deposit to retire deficit by 1997 $ I 20, 5�1
, . Total Normal Cost . 79, 641
� Total Annual Payment � 100, I82
4. Minimum Contribution to Prevent Increase in Deficit.
,-' Interest on Deficit at 3% $ 22, 183
' _ 'Total Normai Cost 79� 641
Minimum Contribution , $ 91, 824
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Payrol? on wiich Member Contributions
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The v3luation was made by a me!hod knovm as t�� entr�a aga a�srra�l
eoet method. Under thie method. tht ao:ma3 caa2 ia ��sm�,.-c,aa:t� ?�,:eci
on the age at'ire of each member. Thia : armal cost is 2he axuxual
depoait required (uaing the assumptiona outlinAd in Section B above) to
pay for the cost of each member's pronpachvebenefits over the period
irom his date of isire to hie date of retirement. This normal cost ia ex-
preesed as a percentage ai payroll on which member contzibs2iona are
based. Theretore, if the payroll inczeasen by a certain pereentage,
the normal co�t in dollars �vill also increase by the sazne pereentaga.
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5. 979
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17. 935
S 79. 641
Thia total normal cost is 45. 35°Jo of tL�e gayro2l oa whic�x saa�a�z'��r
eontributions wiII be baeed. �
When a retirement plan ie fully funded, the fund sontains an amount
equal to the aecumulation {under the actuariaY se�uar_��iars �*•:�.$) of th�
aormal cost for each member from his date of hire to the date of the
valaation. Thia accumuIation is eaIIed the accrued liability or the re-
quired reaerve.
The elementa of accraed liability for thia pl�a a. t:
Tvpe of Benefit
Active Members
Retireznent Bene�t
Dis:.�ility Benefit
Withdrawai Benefit
Survivor's Beneft
Total Accrued L n.uility
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Accrued Liabilib�
$ 362, 880
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A=etirement plan which ie fully funded requirea future contributions
ao.larger than the "sum of the normal coet oi atl active members to pay
1os tise prospective,benefits (if the assumptions mado are realized exact2y).
To the extent that aormal coste have not been paid in the paot, a plan is
not fully fund�d. The amount by which tiie plan is ahort of full funding i:
Called the unfunded accrued liability of the fund. Ia other worde, the un-
funded accrued 2iability is the excesa of the accrued liability over the
aetual aseeta of the fund.
The amount of aanual contribution wh3ch wou2d be required to pay
eaeh year's normal cosi aad e2iminate the deficit by 1997 ia the "total
aanual gayment" ahown in Sectioa C of this report.
The deficit in the fund will increase unless at leaat 3%a interest on the
deficit ia paid each year in addition to the normal eoat. The sum of these
two amouats shouid be regarded as the minimum annual contribution to
the fund in order !o keep the deficit at its present eiza. This "minimum
eontribution" is showa in Section C of il+ia seport.
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Status
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Defesred Annuiiante
Sszvice Retirementa
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Fzidley Police Penaion Aeaociation
Wt hereby tertify that thia actuarial valualion of thc above
named Aesociation waa mada as of January 1, 19b9, on tha ba3iu
of accegiad actua:ial methods and procedures.
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None proTided
35/75the af t�p ptlme
ealaa7 ai'ter 20 �re at
a6e 50
1/`15th te be adied Por
each additiena2 Tee,=• np
to 7 additioaal peara
Retire$snt eoa�gnt�+d
anevally bT toP Ptla
ealiary ot Feb ia
prsceedina Te�
tTnable to perfora dntlee
atrictly becanse of apa
vith o�er 10 yra bnt leas
than 20 yra, 16/75ths af
�P Ptls eaZarp viLh 2/�5
added for each yr o�er 10
but laae then 20 �ra.
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25� of a�g anlar7 after
10 � at aae 55
50% of aterage eainry
after 20 yra at �ge 55
2� ts b� �dded for each
additienal �ear
Boa• provided - retir e-
ment eta� at rate af
iat• eS rstirea�at
�1T ne provide� mr�ea�
regtQar p�t,�r�mta
A maeber becaeee a<_seaset a. M eability s,riaiz,
or 1njm�e� xhich per�a- o�t �f �ct c,f ��;v ,ecas-
entlp nnfite hia for polioe rin.3 before �„6 35 bni
dut7 - 35/75th of top ptlm after eot Za-a�t!•ui 5�^s
e41aT7 vhile e• iiaabled. eertice - r_�sailil y bG.,�gft
ia 50� af avera=;e as,.��,..,
plt�n 2� for eacb pe�r 1�
� , anceae of 20.
b. Maability a�t iaca,-;-e�
ia line oP �?yt, eac�.ri.:»
bafore �"a 55 �ai cttcr r_s;
lsaa thaa 5 yo,�a senic e..
25� af a�err4;s as3arp ��;,,
�`� tor each ye.�s in C�c��,
or io � z� �e7 ���n ,�.:5
fn ���s or zo.
o. 3heuld recta�;ant ra.z�sc
� �+xinfi�I t+cc :rszi::•� h
tb I;e r? rst��i t� *�
vhlc�a v?�en e,.,.f�:; �`•--.. ,._
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earntn,9 c?oew ��s �::�::_;
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CO�T• U d �+-��ta n�---'-.'�.�_.1�:
' • n er pEE?A there ie no dieabi.lity henefita r.roe3dez3 iar as�?�c.r�
wsder S yenra 9tT11CB er for thoae that 6a�e atie,ina� ths e.�a
oP 55 ys�rr.
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FPPA - pER�
Tasperu'T DieaMlitY Maability fnmtrred dm- Aoi�
�se�id ed
io6 aut7 aa! havin6 ez- ,
basisted all �ick leave and -
�ther benefits - eatitled
to recei�e 36/75th of top
ptls ealary nst to mcted
beTond 6 aoeth peried .
3ta'�i�or Benefitas Whea a regnlar, disabled ilhen a iiaabled pensioaer
or deferred pepaioner or oni� sr ective mmber die:
actite m�ber dioe - �
•. Spaiae recei�es 20� o_
a. Sponae recei�ea 18/'IS a�erage a4lery for li:
th of top ptlm eatarT �r nntSl rem�nrriage.
per moath fer life or
nntil renarriage- b, Each ohild recoives 8`
• bf averago aalarp v��
b• �ch child receivea attdnie�,g 18 �rs of a�
, o/"�5th� per aoaih pins $20 par m�nth to
nxrEil attdning lg dirfdsd eq�xelly s^an3
�ra et age ail the children,
c. Total p�neione fe¢� e, Tota1 pen�iona for
►►idev and children wid�w aad childrea aei
not to,exceed 36/`1ith. !o eaoesd "c200 pl,�
ap�uee�e benafit.
�03�1�'s IIuder PERA t200 ia meudmum paid to cMldr�n regardlesa ef hov
mat►y� where nnder FppA henefft ie baaad npon perceate�e of
aalar�.
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M I N N E 5 O T A
MUNICIPALITIES
3300 Unirersi�y Aven�e $.E.
Minneopolis, MiMeso�o 55<I<
Pho�w: Areo 617.'3I3-9992
�o: Mayors, Managers and Clerks of
Pension Plans
April,27, I.972
Cities with Local Police and Firemen's
�ubject: Police and Firemen's Proposal for Financing Loca1 Pension Plans
�st year several organizations of police officers xnd firemen retained a firm of
c[uaries, Iiewitt Associates, to develop a proposal for funding the so-called
'escalated" police and firemen`s pension plans which would reduce the financial
�burden imposed upon the affected municipalitiesby the Guidelines Act of 1989. The
nclosed mem�randum provides a thorough analysis of this proposal (hereinafter
alled the Hewitt proposal) as well as the League proposals, and compares both of
these approaches with the present policies of the Legislative Retirement Study Com-
�ission. The analysis was developed by [he staff of the Co�ission in close consult-
tien with Dr. Franklin C. Smith, the Co�ission actuary, and represents a factual
and objective assessment of the Hewitt proposal.
�or several months the employee organizations have been actively promoting the
ewitt proposal as the "answer" to the very heavy financial burden which ceitain
municipalities must bear in order to more adequately fund the escalaced police and
iremen's pensios plans. They have also been attempting to obtain formal approval
f this proposal by the affected city councils throughour the state. �Iost city
councils have wisely refrained from taking any action on the Hewitt proposal until
n au[horitative and objective assessment was available. I strongl� uree that
o ies of this letter alon with the encZosed memorandum be made availebie to a11
members of vour city council before any fo mal action is taken on the Hewitc prop-
sal. If a resolution of approval has already been oassed,you may caisn co reconsider
tiis action after studving the enclosed memorand�.
�he enclosed memocand�, along with a more technical analysis by Dr. Smi±h, was
resented to t:�e Local Funds Subcommittee of Lhe Legislative Retirement Cor:n:ssion
n Apri1 17. No specific action was taken because the members of the subco�mittee
are still hopeful that tkie affected municipalities and their public safety person-
el will arrive at some kind of a co�apromise, [hus xelieving tne subccmmittee oi
he responsibility for making a difficult and unpopular decision. The ;ubco;nmit[ee
did pass thz following motion oiiered by Representative. Calvin �2. Larson:
� "I move that these two groups come up with a compromise plan by August 1,
or else we will have to take the bu21 by the horns and do what we think
is in the best interest of the pu6lic. I guess [hat is our xespcasibili[y."
�'here will almost certainly be one or more meetings between Lhe parties prior to
�ugust 1. Hewever, since the Hewitt proposal is comple[ely inconsistent with the policy
dopted by the League Commitcee on Person�el Administration and Pensioas, >s weli as
he present oolicy of the Legislative Retirecient Study Commission, and since the
employee organizations have shown no willingness to seriously consider any of the
�eague's p*oposals, it is difficult to be optimistic about the prospects for ag:eement.
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,; I �w of this, it is vital that councils of the affected cit3es consider what they can
,�hich would encourage the individual members of the Legislative Retirement S'tudy
'� Commission to address this problem directly and forthrightly rather than avofd the issue
or recommend some "compro,,ise" that would be a step backward. The most effective.way of
doine this would be fot each citv council to carefully study the at[ached memorandum
anQ then pass a resolution�in opposition to the�Hewitt proposal and in favor oi the
, League proposed amendments to the Guidelines Act.
I recognize that police and firemen's pensions is a highly sensitive subject.and that
each city council must assess its own situation and ac[ accordingly. However, we must
all recoqnize that if we want the individual members oi the Legislative Retiremenc
�amendments [o the �uidelines Act, then the �ouncils
must be willinQ to lead the way,
� Sincerely,
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Executive Secretary
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P.S. Please send copies of any resolutions passed on this subject to the Legislative
� Retirement Study Commission and to the League.
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Fire and Police Pension Financing - Hewitt Plan vs Guidelines
L1ATE: Aprill7, 1972�
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This subcommittee has heard the proposals for financing of police and fire pensions
as presented by the League of Municipalities for the employers and the Hewitt
_ Plan for the empioyee representatives. The P& F funds are presently governed
by the P& F Guidelines Act of 1969 {M.S. Sec. 69.77)--an act that originated
from this Commission. The employee and employer group programs are divergent
tn approach and purpose--particularly, as they relate to the guidelines act and •
Cc•mmission policy developed over the last 15 years. It is necessary to quickly
rc view commission policy as reflected in the guideiines, and also the employer
p-ogram before analyzing the Employees' Hewitt Plan. .
L Commission Policv - �
Yhis commission has recognized only one major difference between the 7,000 police
and fire employees and the other 176,000+ public employees of this state as
[elated to pensions--that there is some rationale for permiYting earlier retirement
ior protective employees than is generally provided for the regular public emplcyee.
This commission has consistently recognized the responsibility and need of
providing financing sufficient to eventually fully f�.uzd the public pension funds--
including the police and fire funds. The commission has recognized that the
P� F pensions may be more costly because of earlier retirement, but it has r.ot
Tecognized any different financial suQport requirements of the resulting costs.
IL is important to realize that if, in principle, the Hewitt plan proves appropriate
for the P& F funds, it is also appropriate for all of the other public pension :unds.
If the Hewitt Plan was adopted in principle, the said adoption would represent
'a major departure in commission philosophy, and could lead to similar application
to the statewide funds! '
IL Guidelines of 1969 - represents a artial step to�vards the funding principal for
paid police and fire funds which this commission has applied to the statewide
funds. The guidelines act �vas a result of studies by several interims, and in
particular of the actuarial valuation of the police and fire funds as of 12/31/67:
�_._These surveys revealed that these funds were on the average only 04.II% funded,
witH several of the funds in danger o: not having suificient assets to pay current
benefit payments. Financing of these pensions had been orossly inadequat�!
The guidelines was, admittedly, only a partial, probably temporary, step towards
adequate financing.
The guidelines act provides, after a IO year step up program, for financing
sufficient to cover the normal cost of the oension plan olus interest on its
deficit. � Theoretically, zhis provides for a"Frozen Deficit" level oi financir.g--
—the deficit tviil get nd lacger after l0 years if the actuarial assumptions are
eorrect. The guidelines anticipute an increase in deficits up to 1980, and
presumes a mainte^ur.ce c: dcficits at 2hat level. The guidelines act does net
_ provide tor amoruzation of deficits!
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8y Commission standards, the guidelines requirements are minimal in theory.
-In actual performance, th� guidelines may prove to be less than minimal. During
the 3 year period of 1967 - 1970, the P& F funds reflected an increase in agr,regate
deficits of $83 Million. Part of this increase (about 40%) was due to financing
less than the fri�ien drfirit ?evel. Hovre�er; a�ou: f0°G of this ne:v deficit r;;�ulted
from insufficient actuarial assumptions as to salary increases--and would have
acerued even if all futids were financed at the frozen defici: levei. It salary
trends continue, the guidelines will not perform its presumed purpose!
The G�idell�ies nct places no direct restraini on pension �;osts, but rather detcrm[nr�s
the level of financiol support relative to cost. 'fhe empt��y�•e �md em�,l��ygr prd9ram:;
differ in their approach to support and cost. The League's plan calls for no
reduction in support relative to cost, but would reduce future cost of the
plans. The Hewitt Plan would not reduce costs of t1:e plans, but would reduce
the financial support relative to pens.on costs. �
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Hewitt
no chanqe in 1969 guidel?:�es act;
less support than 1969 guidelines act.
Leaque Plan
The League plan proposes no modificaYion of the 2969 guidelines. Although
the employer presently pays most of the P& F pensicn costs, it is the League's
expressed feeling that the guidelines requirements are the minimum for financial
responsibility. Their plan, instead, provides for several measures to reduce
the costs of the pension pians, and further to provide greater sharing in the
cost by the employee. The more important features of the League plan are:
1) New P& F employees in PERA (mandatory or optional) '
� 2) Sharing of pension costs - 60°� employer - 40% employee.
The League plan would not compromise existing commission philosophy on
financing.
N. Hewitt Plan
� After the 1971 Session, the police and fire associations contracted with �
Hewitt & Associates to develoo a less painful financial plan than the guidelines
requirements. The Hewitt Plan 5as been presented to this subcommittee and
has been analyzed by Dr, Smith. The plan proposes no modification of Yhe
pension plans themselves to reduce their cost. Rather, the plan would provide
for a reduction in the financial support of the pension costs, below +.he level oi
the guidelines. The plan is currently being presented to the various city councils
by the employee groups. "
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; The Hewitt plan proposes that the annual support would be the larqer of efther
i) Nornial cost; OR "
2} Current payouts plus 8% of payroll, with the 8%dropping when assets
t� reach 10 times current payouts. -
� fievy�itt presents several fund calculatior.s to show that in each instance the
support rate is less than the guidelines during the ffrst 10 years, and presumably
thereafter. The Hewitt Plan, as in the guidelines, would be phased in over 10 years.
, Hewitt rationalizes that the "10 times" reserve would be reached in about 50 years,
and that a reserve of this size was "adeq�ate" .
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Purpose - the purpnse of the P& F plan is described on page 1 of the Hewitt
presentation:
lj stable cests as a percent of pay for oresent and future
2) accumulate reasonable reserves; '
• 3j evaluate security needs;
4) appraise neel to fund deficits.
The Cbmmission staff and Dr. Smith (memo) question the fulfillment of these
purposes.
1) Stabl�s - the stability of costs which Hewitt predicts are based
upon t��o concept�:
(a) Tl�at the theory used :s correct;
(b) That deficits, expandin9 or not, need never be considered.
evea��oN,� �?fic,rs.� r,etc4scuss•ad r.or e•ren mencioned. iiewitt's calculations
proJect support and cost but not deficit. tNe have already mentioned that the
Purpose of the guideiines was to freeze deficits at their present (encrmous) level.
Because the Hev�itt o�3n calls for less financing than the guidelines, the Hewitt
plan re uires further S*ro�vth in deficit. If we do not consider new deficits
occurrin9 from actuarial assumption losses, the annual groarth in deficit under
the Hewitt plan will l��e exactiv the difference between the guidelines and Hewitt
financing, This gro�vth presumabiy woulci be in perpetuity, and as Dr. Smith
shows, into gargantuan proportions. This philosophy is contrary to commission
policy. It is also co��ary to proposed provisions of federal legislation. The
present aggregate defacit of these funds is $287;177,190. Depending upon thz -
experiences of the fu�ds, Dr. Smi:h shows that these rieficits could grow 10 times
or more as large! He:vitYs plan ignores this grocvth and assumes that said deficit
need never be paid ann may grov� to any proportion without concern.
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' • 2) Reasonable Reserves - Hewitt's ascertation of reasonable reserves
is based upo.^. theassumption that reserves should not be determined
• on the basis oi accrued liability, but rather upon bases of cunent
payouts with a contingency reserve., This type of philosophy camouflages
pensfon costs and negates the concept that pensions are a fringe beneiit
that are eamed and paid for as service is performed.
Another assu�ption apparently made is:
(a) Employer units will continue in perpetuity;
(1� Employer units wili continue to be willing and able to pay costs
in Perpetuity.
1 With these a�sumptions, the employee would not need to concern himself
. whether or na* assets were being set aside as he earned pension credit.
� Staff submiYS that there are sufiicient examples where this perpetuity
assumption has not proven to be the case--that the assumption is not valid!
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The MankaYo Police &�ire funds are a good case in point. Both of these plans
were terminated as to r_ew members. In additior., Mankato will be required over
the years to pay off ev�ry cenY of the existing deiicits as the funds phase out.
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Securitv neec�s - The Hewitt plan calls for less reserves than the guidelines
would provide. His sample calculations show that after 10 years of
operation, the reserve would be about 3 times cucrent payouts. Further,
the plan recoc:lmends that reserves of 10 times the current payouts are ali
that is necessary for security purposes. Dr. Smith snows that this build
up to the factor 10 could take more than 100 years. This plan in effect
states thaY 3 to 10 years payment guarantee is sufficient security for the
employee if the pension plan were abolished. Under this system, an
active emploree could not even get his contributions back unon final
termfnation, �ad this is pension security? !t Seems StrdIIqi? Yi13L ihC
employee reprs�sentatives are the ones promotir.y this pl�n.
Fuudina Deficits - The Hewitt Pian argues that deficits are not a concern,
that perpetuit;.� of the pension promi�is guaranteed, that current payout;
are the ultima�e concern, This philoso�hy--to ful!y argue it-- would take
a book-length memo, and many points ha.ve already becn alluded to. The
I?e�r.�itt a�:p:o��h, if adop2ed, wou:d ra,:aca;iy chany<� the pension nhilo,ophy
of thfs state from the funding principie io that of "pay-as-you-go^,
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2j "lock in" and protect the u b
c nent enefit levels.
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During the 1971 Sessiori, many"communities for the first time calculated the
financial support necessary under the guide2ines--a rude awakening for many.
The revealed costs and necessary support led to a rash of pension bills similar
to the Mankato bi21 �vhich wouId have placei new members in PERA, The Hewitt
Plan would lessen the support level resuiting from pension costs, hence'8ulliny
the pain". This would perhaps result in a lessening of employer demands for
pension reform; hence maintaining the presen� benefit program. It certainly
can be aruged that employees have every right to try to protect their fringe
benefits. Iiowever, it can be further argued that ;he costs of fringe benefits
should not be hidden or camouflaged, but should be just as painful (costly)
as they actualiy are. .
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Theorv - Hewitt's Plan and resultinq calculations are based upon the following
assumed model:
'- 1) Assumed normai cost of 40% (1/2 final salary escalated);
2} Assumed interest is at same ra±e as assumed salary rate;
3) 1lssumptions equal experience;
, 4) Model represents a mature fund. ,
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predicting the future. The question is not on the use of models, but rather on
the reasonableness ofthe model used.
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1) The use of 40% as an assumption of ncrmal cost is questionable.
Under present state standards (3% - int.; 3% sal. j, the 1970 surveys
showed that 26 of the 57 funds exceed 40%. Secondly, the normal
cost varies sharply if ir.terest percent does not equal salary percent.
Thls is shown in Dr. Smith's .analysis (page 6j , 40% is hypotheticul,
not actual.
2) Hewitt's entire theory as relzted on page S of his presentation is based
upon the assuc:�ption that percent of interest eauals the precent of salary
fncrease. The remainder of his theory is structured and de�eadent uoon
this basic assumption. This equal percent assumption may be fine ior
a theoretical tfiesis paper, but to base an entire fir.ancing scPieme for
57 per�sion funds on this basis--forreal--seems highly questionable.
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but.Yhis was admittedly only for the purpose of easin9 the actuarial
tasks for these smaller funds. This eKu=_tion ::�as never preser.ted as
a reflection experience, nor is there any rationale ior tnin'::ng thcy
should or would be equal. :nterest and salary rcact to diiferinq stimuli
in our economy and in no way are complimentary.
Dr. Smith shows (paqe 6) thet if they are not equal, the normal cost of
.• the pension plan varies greatly from 40:�. He shows that if i= 3.54�
and s= 5.5%, a normal cost of 61.32% results :nstead of �OS�, 'C':±s
divergence reflects how unstable the Ilewiti theory is and how questienable
lt would be to risk the security of ihese funds on that'uosis.
exp.enencQ of -�he fue:ci, iv�v:,t auuai��� �Iu thls s.ncil proven wiong,
and then correct tlie assumption. Most actuaries base their assumptioiis
on the best judgements ihey can make. Staff submits that there is no
judgment involved in saying interest % shall equal salary °�,. This is
like saying the price of apples will equal the price of liver , Dr. Smith
shows (page 5) that if the salary assumptionproves to be in�ccurate by
only 2°� and not equal to interest, the funding levei of 10 times pa;ments
is not reached in 170 years. �
It is safe to state that actuariai assumptions must be periodically
adjusted as experience dictates. Hewitt's plan assumes that levels
of percent may vary, but that interest and salary should have the same
percent. • .
4) The Hewitt model is based upon the assumption of a mature fund.
Maturity means that the number oi active and re:ired lives will neve:
vary. Hewitt in his verbal presentation stated .that this is a theoretical
assumption. Staff suhmits that most of the funds are "youthful" instead
mature.
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Dr. Smith's analysis of the Hewitt Plan is professional and complicaYed--
necessarily so. To examine the Hewitt method, he uses four basic models
based upon varying degrees of initial funding {Zero; 33%; 10 times current
payments; 100% . Staff submits that vaith a present average funding ratio of
5.8% for the P& F funds, that the first model - zero funding--most closely '
approaches the actual condition, and therefore should be given preference in
study. In Dr. Smith's tables, he assumes no 10 year waiting period. Most of
his results are listed as percents of the then current payroil. He also has
carried his calculations out to 50 years to reflect a longer range of effect than
HewitYs 10 year calculations. By considering only the one model most appropriate,
Da'. Smtth's results can be tabulated as follows
Contributions
Assumed vs Exnerience 1st Yr.
i= 3.5% 50 Yr , 50 Yr. Deficit
/ i= 3.5°� 48.0% -(H) 40.0% 3.1 x original
s= 3.5% / s= 3.5% 70.43%- {G) 45s45� 1 x original
1 II. i = 5.5�
s=5.5%
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i=3.5% / i=3.5%
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98._63%- (G)
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63.89%
8.1 x original
1. x original
10.4 x original
6.5 x original
5.6 x originzl
1 x original
Cases I and II .`ollow the basic assumptions of i�ewitt--that int�rest %= salary �;
The figures do show that the fIewitt method nrovides !ess annu�l suppert t!:..�?; t':ze
guidelines, but it is interesting to note that this difference is much more mai�ked
at the begir,ning of the 50 year period than at the end--the two methods actually
approach each other in support requirements over ti:�e. The affect on the dcfic?t
is also of vital concern. It becomes obvious that the savings in current contri-
butions goes directly a9ainst the deficit and becomes the obliqations of thc futu:e
t�xpayer. The Hewitt r^lar., clearly then, thre•:s some ef the past and pr�;e.-,t
obligations into the future.
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6VS Minnesota Memorandum No. 71-14.
March 24, 19.72
PROPOSAL'FOR FUNDING POLICE AND FIRE ESCALATOR PLANS
' In a presentation to the Local Funds Subcommittee on
February 15, 2972, Rodger Patrick of Hewitt Associates, the
firm which has prepared most of the recent valuations of the
Police and Fire Funds, described an alternative method of
1 funding the benefits of these plans. The written material
which accompanied the presentation sta�ted four purposes:
1. To produce stable contributions as a percentage of
pay for present and future taxpayers; �
2. To accumulate a reasonable amount of assets;
3. To evaluate security needs;
4. To appraise the necessity of funding deficits.
Although two alternative methods were described in the
written material, only one was emphasized in the presentation,
and we will confine ourselves to this one. The method proposes
that the annual support be the larger of (1) normal cost and
(2) current benefits plus 8$ of payroll with the Sa portion
cut off when the amount of the assets reaches 10 times the
current benefits.
The rationale behind the choice of the 8% figure is based
upon the expectation that ultimately for most plans, the
current benefits wi11 amount to 40% of payroll and 10 times
this figure is 400�; at a rate of 8$ per year, 400o will be
reached in 50 years which is suggested as a reasonable period.
Several actual cases were given showing a comparison
, of the level of supnort and the accumulation of assets over
the next 10 years under both the guidelines and the above
method. The projections are based on the assumption that the
' interest rate and the rate of pay increases will be 3%. In
some cases, the fund appeared to be close to the ultimate
mature stage, and in others this was not true.
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for certain selected cases (all figures are percentages of
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1 25$ 35`� 35� 26$ 26 0
10 34$ 64$ 44$ 254$ 118$
1 37$ 50$
10 43$ 76$
1 28$ � 37$
10 37$ 65$
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29$ 29$
271$ 1I3�
45$ 45$
262$ 125�
The second and third examples are the Minneapolis Fire Fund and
the Minneapolis Police Fund, respectively. The Benefits for
the Minneapolis Fire Fund leveled off at 43� in the seventh
year while those for the Police Fund were still growing at the
end of the tenth year. However, the Alternative Contribution
for the Iatter appeared to be reaching a plateau. It appears
that in the above cases, it will r2quire most oP the remainder
of the 50-year period to bring the Assets up to 10 times the
Benefits under the Alternative method.
To test the effect of using the Alternative method, we
have applied it to a model fund with a mature population.
We set up the model so that only interest earnings and salary
increases were involved. Ne also set up the model so that
under the assumption that the interest rate equals the rate of
pay increases, the normal cost turned out to be 400 of payroll.
With a mature population, the benefit payout is also 40% of
payroll as stated in Rodger Patrick's presentation.
We actually studied 4 models with the following amounts
of starting assets:
1. None
2. One-third the accrued liability
3. 10 times current benefits
4. 100% of the accrued liability.
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On the first two models, we provided annual support by
both the Guidelines (G) and the Alternative method (A). For
the third, we provided support only by the Alternative method
in all but one study. The assuriptions in the one study caused
the assets to fall behind the init�al level of 10 times the
current benefits, and we added sufficient contribution each year
to maintain this level. On the fourth model which started out
fully-funded, a contribution equal to the normal cost main-
tained the full-funding in all but one study in which we again
provided a supplemental contribution.
Projections were made under four sets of assumptions:
1. Costs determined with assumed interest and pay
increases at a rate of 3'�o each year; projections
carried forward with these same rates.
2. Same-as No. 1 but with 5�� rates. '
3. Costs determined as in No. 1; projections carried
forward with interest earnings of 3�$ and pay increases
of 5� a .
4. Costs determined with an assumed interest rate of
3'�`•k and assumed pay increases of 5�$; projections
carried forward with these same rates.
We were able to develop formulas for all of the basic
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Interest = 3.5$; Pay Increases = 3.5$
Interest = 3.5�; Pay Increases = 3.5$
As stated in Rodger Patrick's presentation, the current
benefits and the normal cost start out at 40% of payroll and
remain at that level.
Under the A method, Fund 1 and Fund 2 contribute 48% of
' payroll during the early years; Fund 2 drops to 40% of payroll
in the 13th year and Fund l in the Slst year.
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T0.438 the first gear, and this has decreased to 45.45� by the
51st year; the correspon.ding figures for Fund 2 are 60.29�
and 43.63%. In both cases, the limiting value of the contri-
bution is 40$.
In a period of 50 years, the payroll and benefits increase
to about 5.6 times their original size. When the A method is
used, the deficits for Fund 1, Fund 2 and Fund 3 grow to about
the same number of dollars. For Fund l, the deficit starts out
at 9 times payroll and is 5 times payroll at the end of SO
years; since the contribution at this time drops to 40% of
payroll, the multiple will remain S. For Fund 2, the deficit
starts out at 6 times payroll and is about 5 times payroll
from the 13th year on. For Fund 3, the multiple is 5 at all
times.
It is a characteristic of the G method that the deficit
does not change. Therefore, it becomes a smaller multiple of
payroll as time passes. For Fund l, the multiple drops from
9 to 1.6 in 50 years and for Fund 2 from 6 to 1.1.
A summary follows:
Contribution
Fund Method Start 50-Years
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Deficit ; Pa�roll 50-Year
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Start 50-Years Orig. Deficit
48.00% 40.00$ 9 5.0 3.1
70.43$ 45.45$ 9 1.6 1.0
48.00$ 40.00% 6 �.0 4.7
60.29% 43.63% 6 1.1 1.0
40.00°s 40.00$ S 5.0 5.6
40.00� 40.00� No deficit . . . . .
Case 2
Interest = S.Sg; Pay Increases = 5.5�
Experience: Interest = 5.5g; Pay Increases = S.Sa
As Rodger Patrick pointed out in his presentation, so
long as the interest assumption and the assumed pay increases
are at the same rate, the normal cost and the current benefits
will remain the same as a percentage of. payroll. In the
models, therefore, these are still 40a under the above assump-
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The results in this case follow the same pattern as in
Case l, but the numbers are larger on account of the higher
assumed rates. In 50 years, the benefits and payroll increase
' to 14.5 times their original size. Far Fund 1, the contribution
under the A metiiod still drops from 48% to 40% in the 51st
year and for Fund 2, the drop still occurs in the 13th year.
Under the G method, the contributions for Fund 1 and Fund 2
decrease more rapidly than in Case 1.
The summary follows:
` Contribution
Fund Method Start
1 A
1 G
2 A
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3 A
4 G
48.00%
70.43%
48.00%
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40.00$
40_00$
50-Years
40.00�
42.09$
40.00$
41.40%
40.00g
40.00%
Deficit : Payroll
Start 5Q-Years
50-Year
Deficit ;
Orig. Deficit
9 5.0 8.1
9 0.6 , 1.0
6 5.0 12.1
6 0.4 1.0
5 5.0 14.5
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Case 3
Costs: Interest = 3.5%; Pay Increases = 3.5�
Experience: Interest = 3.5$; Pay Increases = S.So
This case is included to show the effect of constant
actuarial losses from the fact that pay increases occur at a
higher rate than assur_�ed. As the loss occurs each year,
it is revealed by the actuarial valuation, and the contri-
butions are redetermined. For Fund 3, we have added to the
normal cost each year an additional contribution to bring
the assets up to 10 times the current benefit requirement.
For Fund 4, we bring the assets up to the amount of the
accrued liability each year.
In this case, under the A method, the assets of Fund 1
and Fund 2 never reach the level of 10 times current benefits
during the first 50 years. Our formulas- indicate that it
would require over 170 years for Fund 1 to reach this level
and over 100 years for Fund 2 to accomplish this.
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Start 50-Years Start 50-Years
48.00$ 48.00$ 9 6.5
70.430 51.70$ 9 3,�
48.00$ 48.00$ 6 5.3
60.29� 51.17$ 6 3.5
40.00$ 47.58$ 5 5.1
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The limiting value o� the contribution for both Fund 1
and Fund 2 under the G method is about 51.07�. The contri-
bution levels of 47.58o for Fund 3 and of 57.06$ for,Fund 4
are reached in the second year and remain constant. The higher
contribution for Fund 4 results from the maintenance of a
higher level of funding (fuil-funding vs. 10 times benefits).
Case 4
Costs: Interest = 3.5$; Pay Increases = 5.5$
Experience: Interest = 3.5;; Pay Increases = 5.5�
This case was studied to observe the effect of taking
' the higher rate of pay increases into account in setting
contribution rates.
' Since the assumed interest rate is no longer equal to
the assumed rate of pay increases, the normal cost no longer
equals the current benefit payout. It actually turns out to
' be 61.32% of payroll. With the normal cost at this 1ev21,
the contribution under the A method is equal to the normal
cost rather than to the 4�$ which is the benefit payout plus
8$ of payroll. The A method also requires that the contri-
' bution remain at the normal cost 2evel even after the assets
reach 10 times the benefits.
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Fund Method Start
1 A
1 G
2 A
2 G
3 G
4 G
61.32$
98.63$
61.32%
86.19%
61.32$
61.32�
50-Years
61.32$
63.89$
61. 323
63.03$
61.32$
61.32$
Deficit = Payroll
Start 50-Years
11.0
11.0
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5.6
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The limiting value of the contrib+ltion for both Fund 1
and Fund 2 under the G method is 61.32%: The multiples in
the last two columns above are smaller than the corresponding
figures for Case 3 because a higher level of support has been
provided. .
Conclusions
The study of the above models indicates the correctness
of two basic statements in Rodger Patrick's presentation:
1. For a mature population, the normal cost percentage
is equal to the benefit payout as a percentage of
payroll if in the cost calculation we assume that the
interest rate is the same as the rate of pay increases.
2. All contributions in excess of normal cost increase
assets. Such contributions will never be used to pay
benefits.
Although the above basic statements are correct, the
presentation did not address itself to the third and fourth
items in the statement of purposes (which appear on page 1 of
this memorandum). In all of the models studied above, the
deficits under the A method at the end of 50 years are rather
high mult�ples of the original deficits. Furthermore, as
time passes beyond 50 years, tne rate of increase will grow
larger and larger. £ven though the second basic statement
above is essentially correct, we question whether participants
will feel secure and whether municipalities can look with
complacency on raPidly increasing deficits.
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The second sentence of the second basic statement is based
upon the tacit assumption that the system will continue in
perpetuity, and some of the elements o€ security center around
this assumption. Governmental units have been known to go out
of existence. At the time of such an event, the less the
deficit, �.he smaller the loss of pensian benefits.
Another event which can upset the system is a reduction
in the size of the active working force. All of the above
models involved the replacement of each retiring participant
by a new employee. If a retrenchment should occur, the base of
support for the system would be reduced. At that point, the
greater the deficit, the less the security provided for
retirees and those nearing retirement.
In summary, none of the conclusions set forth in the
presentation is incorrect. The choice between the proposed
method and those requiring a greater degree of prefunding
depends upon the importance which is attached to security.
The presentation implies that some security should be p-resent
when the A method requires the accur.�ulation of assets up to
the level of 10 times the benefit payout. This is still short
of the level of security which has been the goal of the
Minnesota funds for the past 15 years.
Franklin C. Smith
Associate, Society of Actuaries
GEORGE V. STEIQIJES AND ASSOCIATES
Commission Actuaries
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Police and Fire Guidelines Act of 1969 required substantial in-
creases in pension contributions.
— Prior to this Act pension plans were restricted
by law to certain mir.imum asset accumulations.
Police and I+ire Associations asked Hewitt Associates to try to
develop an alternative funding approach. �
— To reflect the differences in corporate pen-
sion plans versus those plans supported by
tax dollars.
Pension contributions are needed to;
— meet benefit payouts
— build reserves. .
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SOME PEA'SION TER1bYIATOLOGY
1. Normal cost is that percentage of pay required as a contribution from
starting age to retirement age to fully fund all �xpected benefits.
2. If normal cost had always been contributed for each employee and the
experience had been in accordance with assumptions, the plans
would be fully funded.
3. Deficit represents extent to which past normal cosis have not been
paid (accrued liability minus assets).
4. Private plans usually pay normal cost each year plus some amount
towards reducing deficit.
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s Question: ��Jhy are there differences between the two with respect to
funding of pensions?
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High ATeed Low Need
Private Corporations
Substantial need because of relatively
high probability that corporation will
go out of business at some point in
time and because of limited ability
to generate income.
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Limited need beeause of low
probability that govemment
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Guidelines - Annuai eontribution
equal to normal cost plus interest
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Alternative - Annual contribution
equal to beneFit payouts plus 8%
of payroll until reserve equals
10 times payout, but never less
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Annual contributions equal
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• ALTERNATIVE FUNDING CONCEPT
1. Contribute from all sources that percentage of pay needed to:
a. Meet the ultimate percentage of pay that benefit
payme»ts will achieve.
b. Plus, if necessary, that percentage of pay required
to build over 50 years a reserve of 10 times the
ultimate benefit rate.
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plans is about 40%. ,
(ii. � Paying 8% in excess of benefit payouts for 50 �
years will develop a reserve of 10 times the
benefit payouts.
2. Phase into the above program over the next 10 years,
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, • Produces stable costs as a percentage of participant's pay for
' present and future taxpayers.
, • Provides security of bene:it continuation for xetired, widows,
etc.
' • Creates reasonable reserves which are not so large as to attract
undue attention. (As long as the plan continues, these reserves
probably will- never be paid out because the normal cost percentage
under the actuarial method required under present legislation will
equal the percentage of pay to ultimately be paid out in benefits. )
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Mayor Liebl called the Special Council Meeting of November 27, 1972 to
order at 7;35 P.M., and said that this will be an informal discussion on
the funding proposal for the Police Pension Association, specifically an
explanation of the Hewitt plan for funding as opposed to the Guidelines
Act of 1969.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mittelstadt, Breider, Starwalt, Liebl, Utter
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
FRIDLEY POLICE PENSION �SSOCIATION FUNDIN�; (�f� pLp,N�
The City Manager said that he would Likz to bring Councilman Starwalt up
to date, as he is the new member of tt2 Council. The City Staff has been
mee[ing with the Police Pension Association for some time over the problem
of financing the program. The reai bind came in 1969 when the SXate
Legislature passed the Guidelines Act which required funding of the normal
cost plus interest on the deficit within 10 years. Fridley is not funding
the deficit nor paying all of the normal cost at the present time. There
had been a considerable amount of discussion between the Police Pension
Association and Marvin grunsell before he came on the scene. He said in
January of this year he started meeting with the Police Pension Association
to try to negotiate, or work out some solution. The Council has been paying
21% of the police payroll as the City share toward the Police Pension fund.
This is not adequate to meet the Guidelines Act. There has been some
thought given a reduction in benefits or some changes to get the City
aad the Police Pension Association closer in regard to benefi[s versus
money going into the iund. After several months, the City received a
letter from the police Pension Association indicating they would work
with the Ci[y in trying to get the 1oca1 employer share down to 21%. The
Police Pension Association has asked their firm of actuaries to come to
[he Cw ncil meeting to explain a proposal called the Hewitt Plan. He
then turned the Meeting over to Ken Wilkinson.
Mr. Kenneth Wilkinson, President of the Fridley Police Pension Association,
said Lhat in 1969 the Guidelines Act overtaxec; the private pension plans
throughout the State of Minnesota, and it has been a battle since then.
It seems to them that one alternate rather than reduce the benefits would
be to go the route of the Hewitt Plan or something similar. T4is plan
would change the requirements of the Guidelines Act, and would not mean a
reduction in benefits. Mr. Wi�icinsoa then introduced Mr. Ed Delahanty of
Hewitt Associates, and said that [he Police Pension Association hopes that �
after hearing the presentation, they will have a favorable resnonse and
pass a resolution endorsing the Hewitt Plan, as was done by the ;�inneapoiis
Ci[y Council.
Mr. Ed Delahanty referred to the memorandum wnich ou*_lines the Hewitt Pi�n
put out by Hewit: Associates dated 11-20-72 {Pf-837-3p), The f:rst poin� is
that befere the Guidelines Act there was a law which restric[ed pension
plans [o certain asset accumulations. This means t6at all pension plans
had to function on a"pay as you go" basis, and there were no reserve funds.
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As s result of the requirement for advance funding, there is a substantial
iacrease in costs, in the Citq of Fridley there is no one receiving
benefits at this time.
Mr. Delahanty continued that the second page of the outline gives some of
� the terminology used in talking about pension fundfng. Normal cost is
that percentage of pay required as a contribution from starting age to
retirement age to fully fund all expected benefits. This is based on
asumptions from experiences with past history being projected into the
future, When the plan is looked at on an actuarial basis, if it was paid
for every year the pension plan was in existence, it would be fully funded,
however, in most cases, there would be a deficit brought about because
the full amount was not paid, or because for instance, if a man were to
start when he was 25 and the pension plan go into force when he was 35,
this would be a 10 year deficit to be made up. Private pension plans pay
the narmal cost plus a percentage of the deficit to amortize the deficit
over a period of so many years. Mr. Delahanty said that Page ��3 shows a
graph illustrating this point. On Page �k4 &�k5 are the differences between
a private corporation pension and that funded with tax doLlars. The basic
difference between these two is [he question of stability. The question
must be asked: how stabie is the private corporation versus the stability
of a governmental agency? The amoun[ of stabilitp would determine the
amount of needed reserves. A private corporation is subject to the many
whims of private enterprise and there is a much greater chance that it
would fail and go out of business. That same chance of going out of business
does not exist for the City of Fridley. The Federal, State and Loca1
Gooernments do not need as much reserves or collateral, because that would
only be used if the business were to fail, and there is not much chance
of that. Mayor Liebl commented that the Guidelines Act seems just reversed
of that premise, the deficit is tremendous. Mr. Delahanty said yes, and
as a taxpayer in the State of Minnesota, he felt it was an outrage. He
continued that the Social Security program is an example - there is aimost
zero reserves and if they were to stop collecting money, there would only
be enough on hand to pay those people already receiving payments ior 6- 9
months, and there wouLd be no provision for those sti11 working. This is
to be compared with a private company, if they were to go out of businesc,
[here would be enough money to pay for everyone already retired pius those
sti11 working, Loca1 governments would certainly lean more towards a Social
Security plan than towards a private corporation plan.
The City Manager said that he would have to disagree--a 1oca1 government
does not have an unlimited ability to generate income. There has been a
big taxpayers revolt across the country and the State Legislature has put
a levy limita[ion of 6% on the local governments. There is an ultimate
limit to what the [axpayers can, or will, bear. Most pension alans are
based on the fact that reserves earn money and help defray the cost, the
Hewitt Plan loses that. Mr. Delahanty said yes, 6ut the reserves wi11 not
be touched unless you go out of business. The City Manager co:�.mented that
he had done a thesis paper on this question, and he had found that most
public pension plans are conceived on the basis of the private pians. He
asked if there is any swing away from this and toward the Hewitt or000sal,
or something Iike it? Mr. Delahanty replied yes, the concept to ��nd
private pension funds is not appropriate ior public plans. lou must lo�k
at the amount of money needed and compare it to the reserves needed.
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Under the Hewitt Plan, the reserves are built up to a point 10 times
greater thaa the ultimate benefit rate, then held at that level forever,
with enough put ia to pay the benefits. Under the Guidelines Act, this
continues to grow,
Mayor Liebl asked i£ there was any city in the State of Minnesota that meets
' the Guidelines Act. Mr. Delahanty said that everybody has 10 years to
reach [he maximum contribution, but as far as he knows they are meeting
the payments currently required. Minneapolis has met their goal for the
' last two years, next year they are in [rouble. The City Manager asked if
someone on the Police force in Minneapolis were to bring a Lawsuit re-
quiring them to fund along the Guidelines Act, mouid Lhat lawsuit be suc-
cessful? Mr. Delahanty said he believed it would be. Minneapolis has
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Mayor Lieb1 said that it seemed that the Guidelines Act was written so there
would be money in case the whole Police Departmen[ was wiped out. Mr.
Delahanty said no, it was written more on the basis of if the City were to
go out of operation, they would still have to pay all the retired men plus
a pension to those men sti11 working when they retired. He added that
there are some d�ath benefits provided for in the plan also.
Mayor Liebl said there are 23 men on the force now, and it wi11 go to 27
in 1973. Does the accrued liability increase or decrease? Mr. Delahanty
said it would stay the same. To arrive at the percentage of payroll needed,
some basic assumptions are made, such as the ultimate projection of quits,
new hires, mortality, etc. and are all calculated to arrive at what the
benefit cost would be. In the case of Fridley the cost level would be 48%
of payroll. The maximum benefit payout is about 40°!, plus an 8% in excess
of benefit payouts paid for SO years, which wculd develop a reserve of 10
times the benefit payouts. Mayor Liebl asked if these percentages in-
cluded the escalator clause and the current age of retirement and Mr.
Delahanty replied yes, but the percentage would not reach that 1eve1
antil the lOth year. He added that the City of Fridley will build up more
in security than Minneapolis will, the [otal reserve wi11 build up very
fast. The Fridley force is rather a young force.
Mayor Lieb1 said that it seems [hat 217, (Fridley's current Fayment) would
be sound and would amount to a considerable amount of money, but according
ta the Guideiines Act, it is not. Councilman Breider asked for a hypo-
thetical e�sample of how the accrued liability is arrived at. ,Ir. Dela-
hanty said if, for instance, a man worked from [he time he was 35 until he
was 65 for $1000 per year. After he is 65, if he would live for ano[her
15 years, and if he were to get a pension of $1000 a year, there would
have to be on hand 15 X$1000 =$15,000. This wo�1d mean that $500 per
year would have to be set aside for him in order for him to have the
$15,000. The probiem in looking at these plans in 1970 is that some of the
men have already been working for a company for some 10 - 15 years so this
is a ready-nade deficit. He added that in their computations, the inter;:st
rate is already built in.
Counrilman Breider asked how much is in the fund now, �fr. ,Tohn Anderson
replied about $280,000. Pfayor Lieb1 asked if it was agreed to change the
retirement age from 50 to 55 or if the escalator clause was dr�pped,
wouldn't that affect the Guidelines Act? Mr. Delahan[y replied �,es, the
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cost requirements for the pension plan would drop each year. He ex-
plaiaed that the escalator clause means that if a man is retired at so
much money, with every raise the rest of the active force gets, he would
get that same percent�ge of raise in his retirement pay.
The City Attorney raised the issue of the 6y, that was received in the form
of State Aid. He said this was the first he was aware of that form of
contribution into the fund. Mr. Delahanty said that a portion of the
sutomobile insurance is turned back to the municipalities in the State,
based on a uniform formula. The Finance Director said this is something
new, and Fridley received the first check Last veek. It is about 6% &
amounts to about $21,000. Councilman Breider asked if that amount is
included in the 21% employer share. The Finance Director replied yes,
this is how the budget had heen prepared. The budget has been approved by
the Council for 1973 on this basis.
Councilman greider said that Fridley has committed 21% of the payroll. If
an officer earns $10,000 a year, 21% of that is $2100 plus the employee
share of 6y, would amount to $2700; this amount over a 20 year period would
mount up to quite a big chuck of money and would be earning interest
besides. Mr. Delahanty said that would not be true, principally because
that mans' salary would probably double over that 20 years. Councilman
Breider said that there wouid also be those that terminate before
they are eligible to draw any benefits. Mr. Delahanty then drew a graph
on the blackboard illustrating the benefits of each plan and why Fridley
would fall behind contributing only 21� of payroll.
The City Manager asked what woald Fridley's obligation be under the
Aewit[ Plan when built up to the final step. Mr. Delahanty replied at the
lOth year it would be 48%, under the Guidelines Act it would 'oe 64%. The
question was raised what was the Police payroll now, and OfficE�r Wilkinson
said it was $269,500. Councilman Mittelstadt added that at a S�; raise every
year� by 1980 it would amount to $398,000. 16� (the difference between
Hewitt - 48% and 64% - Guidelines) of that amount is over $60,000 that
would be saved.
Mayor Liebl asked if the Hewitt formula is foliowed, would it meet the
Guidelines Act. Mr. Delahanty replied no, if the Hewitt act is passed the
Guidelines Act would be out.
The City Manager said that the City share would actually be 36'/„ not 48%
because 6% is an employee share and about 6% is received from State Aid.
Officer Wilkinson said tha[ that check for $21,000 he thought should have
gone directly to the Police Pension fund rather than the City oi Fridley.
He asked if that amount was deducted fr�m the City's share of the percentage.
The City Manager said that up until the check was received, it was somewhat
of a mystery what the amount of the check would be. The City Council has
not es[ablished a policy on how they wish to utilize this money. Officer
Wilkinson said that he did not believe the purpose of the money was to be
given to the City, but was to be used in fundin� for cities of the first h
second class, and was to be used by the police agency and paid directly to
the Police Pension fund, and should not have gone into the city ivads. It
was pointed out that a11 monies received by the City mus[ be recorded on
the City books.
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Mayor Liebl asked if there would have�to be additional tax money to im-
plemen[ the Hewitt Plan, Mr. Delahanty said yes, and added that Minnea-
polis and St. Paul have passed resolutions endorsing the plan, he did not
know wha[ other citie's have. He said that under the Guidelines Act, todays
taxpayer is further burdened by heavier payments in the future. The Hewitt
Plan stays [he same ar 48%. He said that it seems to make sense to him for
the [axpayers to pay the same today as in future years. The payment in
1980 would be the same as in the year 2000. Under the GuideLines Act the
1980 payment would be higher than in the year 2000.
Councilman greider asked how they arrived at the 48% and what would happen
if there were more men on retirement than working. Mr. Delahanty said that
would never happen following the mortality rates as we know them. Council-
man Breider asked how many there would be in the next 10 years. Officer
Wilkinson replied 4 or 5. He added that even if a man pu[s in for 20 years,
he cannot get any benefits until age 50. The City Attorney said that 10
years fzom now experience may show that the 487 may be higher or Lower than
necessary so that amount could vary, based on actual experience. Mr. De1a-
hanty said yes, the same is true of the Guidelines Act. The best estimate
they have now is 48%, that could change in the event a cure is found for
cancer & heart disease. If their basic assumptions are t-ue, then you
will never pay out more than 48y, so the reserves would never be touched.
The City Manager asked if Mr. Deiahanty felt that this plan would get
through the Legislature. Pfr. Delahanty said yes, this, or a simitar p1an.
The Legislature is taking the Hewitt plan seriously. It has been studied
to see if it is technically correct and a memo has been wri[ten back stating
that they found it valid. The basic question that must be answered is
whether you feel the reserves are needed at the Level provided for under the
Guidelines Act. They, at Hewitt, feel they are not.
Councilman Utter asked how the Police agencies in the State of Minnesota
feel about the Hewitt plan. Mr. Delahanty said that even though the plan
would destroy some funding and there would not be as much in reserve, he
has not found any police officer that has said they did not like the approach.
Mayor Lieb1 said that Che City of Fridley would not be in a position to
finance the 1969 Guidelines Act and he thought it was irresponsible of the
Legislature to pu[ in force such a plan, then put a limit on the local tax
structure. This would seem to be a conflict.
Councilman Starwalt said that in 4f4 of [he memo from the League of Minnesota
Municipalities, they point out that tfie whole intention of the Hewitt P1an
is that the deficit need not be paid off, and as long as Fridlzy stays in
existance no one need worry. The City Manager said that the basic theory of
private pension funding is that when a man works for you, you put so much in
the bank for him and when he retires, that money will oe waiting for him.
He said he is not as sure of the government's ability to come up with the
necessary funds as Hewitt Associates is.
Councilman Starwalt asked what was his guess that the Hewitt Pian would be
legislated into laca. Mr. Delahanty said that was difficult to predict,
however, between this session and the next session there will be a lot of
pressure to change the Guidelines Act both from the Police Pension Associations
and also other s[ates as they realize that they do not need that kind of
reserves.
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Councilman Sxarwalt asked for an explanation of what happened in Mankato
and Councilman Breider asked why the combined PERA and o1d plan would be
more expensive than the Hewitt Plan. Mr. Delahanty explained that instead
of paying interest on.the deficit, the entire deficit has to be paid off
in about 25 years because those people will actually be going out of
existence. They would be under the present plan and not PERp, so the whole
deficit would have to be paid. Mayor Liebl added [hat there would be a
morale problem between the men beyond control if some of the men have the
present plan and some were under PERA. The City Attorney said that Mr.
Delahanty said that if there was a conversion and the new members went
under pERA the deficit would have to be retired, yet in the rest of the
presen[ation he has said that the deficit can be,ignored; why? Mr. Delahanty
said because the payroll for active people supports the group retired, so
if ZO people retired there wouldn't be anybody paying into it.
Mayor Liebl said that his ptan would make it fiscally possible for this
community [o make a pension fund work. It would make the fund sound so
the people bargaining would get their pension. The City Manager said t hat
[here is still a problem with the Council's present policy. Undgr the
$ewitt Plan, with 6% contribu[ion from the employee and 6% from the State
Aid, then there is sti11 36% left for the City to fund. This Council
has said [o date they will put in 21�, so there wi11 have to be more put
in, or a reduction in benefits.
Mayor Liebl said that a pension fund should not be negotiated annually.
Officer Wilkinso❑ said no, it hasn't been. �y� Lieb1 said that it should
be on a 3- 4 year basis to give the Administration a chance to fund it
without overburdening the taxpayers. If it is done on an annual bas_s,
there would be constant turmoil. He asked if the age of retirement was
changed and the escalator clause dropped, would the plan fit the Guidelines
Act? The Finance Director said yes, it would then be about 16% lower.
Officer Wilkinson said tfiat he was afraid that if a person retires at, for
instance, $500 a month, 10 years from now it would not be worth as much as
it is now.
' Mayor Lie61 said that in aboat 1966 the City �ouncil gave the Policemen
their pension p1an, and he did not think there was as good a plan in the
country. This is money the Policemen propetly earned and they expect to
ev2rytyearnbute[heeformulaHw u1d havettonbetchanged if�everything�elseegoes
' up. He said he has been in this country for 18 years, and his wages have
not doubled.
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slightly diff_rently. He said he looks at a certain service, be it poiice,
parks, fire etc., and finds ti�e total cost. He would take into account a
man's salary, social security, sick leave, vacation and pension plan. These
things are constantly being compared with other municipalities. There is
nothing sacred about a pensian plan, it is a iact and has to be analyzed
by making compa:isons. All these factors make up a total cost package for
an employee. If this discussion were wi[n a priva[e company and a unior,,
tlie pension plan would be a factor in a total cost package.
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Mr. Jim Hill, Assistant City Manager/Public Safety Director, said that Mr.
Delahanty had spoken of Police and Fire PERA as only about � as beneficial.
He said he did not think so and pointed out that there are many major Police
Departments with 3- 4 pension plans in operation with PEgA being one of them.
PERA does have certain advantages. I4r. Delahanty said ttiat the PERA con-
tribution is 19%, the Hewitt plan is 487, and the Guidelines Act would be 64%,
PERA pays 50% of average career salary, Hewitt would pay 46% of the final
average salary escalated. Mr. Delahanty said [hat the assets under PggA
would cover 96% of the liability, and under the present plan the deficit
is about 85% of the plan, or about 157, funded. He then offered the following
table on the blackboard;
Benefit after 20 years
Vesting
Employee Con[ribution
Total Cost Percent�ge
Retirement Age
FRIDLEY
46% of final pay esca-
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20 yrs,=L00%
6%
48% or 64%
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50% of career
average pay,
10 yrs. =100%
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The Police � Fire PERA fund has $26 Million in 2ssets for 2800 people and is
96� funded. The Fridley plan has $280,000 in assets to cover 21 people and
is 157 funded.
Mr. Hill said that there seems to be some confusion in the minds of the
Policemen; they think that money shouid have been sent directly to their
treasurer. The Finance Director said it will be, but it sti11 has to be
shown on the City books, so there will be a record that the money was
received. Mr. Hi11 said that it seemed that the 6% from the State has been
figured into the 21% of employer contribution. There wi17. be another check
for about $21,000 for 1973 and he wondered how that was going to be figured.
The Finance Director said that i[ is the City's obligation.to turn the money
over to the Treasurer of the Police Pension Association, but whether it
will be figured as part of the City's 21% has not been answered as yet, so
regardless the Pension �ssociation is assured of the employer's share of
21%: The City Manager added that he had received no direction to the con-
trary. Officer,Wilkinson said that when the 21% was settied upon, it was
assumed that anything over and above 21% would not be included in that
21�• MaYor Liebl said yes, this was so that the Council would know just how
much they wouLd have to budget to pay in the fu[ure. Councilman Mitteistadt
added [hat anything additional goes into their treasury.
Officer Wilkinson said, as to negotiating the pension plan every four years
as the Mayor mentioned, they would like to set up a long range p1an to bring
it down to the 21% level, and that at some point in time there sneuld not
be a need for further negotiations. The City ptanager said that on behalf
of the Pension Association, they have been dearing in good faith in [rying [o
reach a solution, they Yeel the iunding is unrealistic also. O�:icer Wil(cin-
son said that if the Hewitt plan or one like it was passed in the next session
of the Legislature, that would be a step in the rigtit direction, �fayor Liebl
asked the Pension Association if they are asking the City Council to pass a
resolution endorsing the Hewitt plan and Officer Wilkinson replied yes.
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The City Manager suggested that before the Council takes any action, perha s �
they should hear from the Legislative Retirement Commission or Dr. Franklin
Smith of Stennes & Associates. They could make.a presentation to both
groups. Dr. Smith was unable to come to the Meeting tonight.
The Mayor and Council thanked the Members of the Police Pension Association
and Mr. Ed Delahanty of Hewitt Associates, for coming to the Council
Meeting this evening to explain the Hewit[ Plan to the Council and for this
informal discussion.
AD70URNMBNT:
MOTION by Councilman Mittelstadt to adjourn t6e Meeting, Seconded by Council-
� Utter. Upon a voice vote, all ayes, Mayor Lieh1 declared the Special
Council Meeting of November 27, 1972 adjourned at 10;00 P.M. �
Bespectfully submitted,
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Juel A. Mercer
Secretary to the City �ouncil
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Frank G. Liebl
Mayor
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COST COMPARISON OF PENSION PLAN FOR CITY II�IAyEES
COST TO
ER�PLOYEE FUND RETIRED�NT
CONTRIBUTION NORMAL COST DEFICIT TOTAL COST AGE
Regular City Employees
on PERA, Exclusive of 6% 6� 2'� 8'-� of 65
Fire and Police Salary
Regulax Employees on 8.85� up to �6 p to 1.5�
Coordinated Plan $10,800--3� $10,800--3�
PS�acj Sec. & Part over $10,800 over $10,800
Paid City Firemen 6�
Present Police
Plan
PERA Police and
Fire Plan
6%
7%
* Hewitt Actuarial Survey
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51.6$ or
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7.69%
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$10,800--4.5�
over $10,800
22.19� of
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