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THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF THE FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL OF NOVEMBER 12, 1973I
The Public Hearing Meeting of the Fridley City Council of November 12, 1973 was
called to order at 7:30 P. M. 6y Mayor Liebl.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
Mayor Liebl led the Council and the audience in saying the Piedge of Allegiance
to the Flag.
INVOCATION:
The Invocation was offered by Mayor Liebl.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT
MEMBERS ABSENT
REOUEST FOR COT SPLIT
Councilman Utter, Councilman Nee, Councilman Breider,
Councilman Starwalt, and Mayoi° Lieb7.
None.
JOHN CARROLL:
Mayor L�ebl called Mr. Carroll forward to enable the members of the Council to
rev�ew the proposed plat. Mayor Liebl said the proposed plat would be with�n
the Second Ward and indicated Mr. Carroll's question to be, which of the Subcommittees
he would have to attend for consideration of approval of the plat.
The City Engineer outlined to Mr. Carroll that he would have to make application
for the proposed plat and attend the Plats and Su6s and Plamm �g Commiss�on meetings
with his request, Mayor Lie61 directed Mr. Carroll to visit the City Offices dur�ng
the hours of 8:00 A.M. and 5:00 P.��M.
PRESENTATION:
Mayor Liebl introduced Mr. John Boland, Chairman of the Metropolitan Council to the
Council and audience.
Mr. Boland explained to the Council that upon taking the duties of the Chairman of
the Counctl, he had immediately appointed a personal staff, He indicated the hope
that the lack of communication between the Metro Counc�l and the members of the
various suburban communities would be eliminated.
Mr. Boland stressed the importance of the members of the local communities getting
in touch with his Administrative Assistant if ever there is a question or problem
that they would be able to assist with. He said �f his Assistant would receive
a call, he would know about the matter immediately. He �ndicated to the Council
that it is often difficult for people to reach him, hut his assistant is �n his
office the majority of the time.
Councilman Breider sought an answer to the question in regard to the denial of
the application for LAWCON Funds in conjunction with the Islands of Peace Foundation.
He indicated the City had received the application back with the statement that the
City does not have enough low income housing. He pointed out when the City had
submitted the Comprehensive Plan to the Metro Council, this was sent back also
with the same remarks. Councilman Breider continued, commenting that the City had
made some mod�fications in the Comprehensive Plan and this 6rought �t to the level
of acceptance 6y the Metro Council. Councilman Breider questioned how the City
would be able to improve this condition and be el�gible for the LAWCON Funds.
Mr. Boland said he was not familiar with the case in questions. He pointed out
that the section of requirements which was previously #13 is now #31. He explained
the applications are reviewed individually by the Council to establish a balance.
Mr. Boland said the possibility of obtarning Federal money for low income housing
is not in existance at this time, so it would be �mpossible to obtain assistance
to improve this balance within the City.
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Mr. Boland referred to the question at hand and said he wou7d research the matter
and get in touch with someone �n Fridley the following day with some indication
on the reasoning behind the denial.
Councilman Nee said Mr. Boland and Mr. Hofested had both indicated their activities
in the Metro Council were to plan and guide area communities and yet, things are
happening where the Metro Council staff is governing the communities and imposing
their feelings on them. He continued stating the City staff is 9etting tangled with �
the Metro Council staff. Councilman Nee expressed the opinion that the Metro
Council should hire people on their staff who have run for office. He felt
the staffing with the young college graduates was not a good method of finding
people with experience in public contact.
Mr. Boland said there is a large staff at the Metro Council and this does tend
to tangle things up. He continued there are 14 full time people plus the Chatrman
of the Council. He repeated that the Council is a politi6al body and anyone wishing
input would be allowed two weeks or more to come to the Council, and request a
staff report. Mr. Boland indicated the staff is trying to remove the great deal
of paper work involved. He said the staff does come up with recorronendattons and
the Council will rubber stamp the matters. Mr. Boland said it is his hope that this
policy wi71 change and he indicated this is in the process of reversing.
Mayor Liebl listed the matters�in which he believed the City of Fridley would need
the ass�stance of the Metro Council:
A great deal of cooperation is needed from the Metropolitan Transit
Commission in establish7ng service within the City of Fridley. He mentioned
the need for the young people and the senior citizens of Fridley to have
transportation available. He stated, there had been a recent approval for the
construction of three bus shelters in the City.
2. Assistance is needed in the area of the Metro Sewer Board. Mayor Liebl �
said the City of Fridley is willing to pay their fair share and some of the
area communities feel the suburbs are being used by the two core cities.
He continued saying the City of Fridley had built a good system and
the system had to be turned over to the Metro Sewer Board. Mayor Liebl
said the City has no ob�ections to this, and paying their fair share, but
this should be fair on the seven county basis also.
Chairman Boland said this is the type of change he hoped to execute.
PROCLAMATION:
"NATIONAL BIBLE WEEK" - NOVEMBER 18 - NOVEMBER 25, 1973:
Mayor Liehl expla�ned he had received a letter from Mayor Lee Alexander, Mayor
of Syracruse, Chairman, Mayors' Committee for National Bib7e Week, and rn the
spirit of good faith, he would recommend the Council adopt the proclamation
designating November 18 through November 25 as National Bible Week.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to adopt the Proclamation for "National Bihle Week"
being November 18, 1973 through November 25, 1973. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor L7eb1 declared the motion carried unanimously.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Councilman Breider to adopt the agenda as presented. Seconded by �
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
PUBLIC HEARING ON IMPROVEMENT. STREET IMPROVEMENT PROJECT ST. 1974-1 AND 57.1974-2
MOTION by Councilman Nee to waive the reading of the PWblic Hearing Notice.
Seconded 6y Counc�lman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unan�mous7y_and the Public Hearin9 opened at 8:04 P.M.
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The Acting City Manager/City Engineer, Nasim Qureshi, explained that some of the
streets within the proposed improvement pro�ect had been petitioned for and
some where included in the overall 10 year street improvement plan for the entire
upgrading of the City of Fridley streets. He pointed out that 90% of the streets
�n the City had been improved and the addition of the remaining streets would
eliminate more substandard streets and equalize the cost of maintenance throughout
the City. He added, some of the streets within the pro�ect had not 6een pettttoned
for.
57TH PLACE - 4TH STREET TO 7TH STREET:
Mayor Liebl stated the price for front foot in this area would be $14.23 per foot.
Mayor Liebl asked if this street had been petitioned and the Acting City �anager
said it had not been. Councilman Breider asked if the water and sewer would be
included, and the Acting City Manager answered this would be installed so that
the roads would not have to be torn up in the future.
Mr. R. T. Simmons, 360 57th Place N. E„ addressed the Council and stated he
felt it a little difficult to address the Council because he was very upset at
this proposal. He explained he did not want the improvement of 57th Place because
this was in back of his home. He referred to the improvement of two years ago
and said the Council had indtcated this would not devalue his property and he is
sure it has. He commented he is still paying the assessments for the improvement
of the side street and now it is proposed for the improvement of the back street.
He pointed out, no property owners had petitioned for the improvement.
Mr. Marvin Hartse, 475 57th Place N. E., addressed the Council and said he did not
want the street improved. He said he would be payinq for the 170 feet of street
and he cou1d not afford this amount at the present time. He questioned �f there
were a shortage �n road oil, would the amount of the assessments be increased.
Mr. �onald Hippen, 464 57th Place N. E., said he was opposed to the improvement
of 57th Place. He added, his driveway and garage are on the other street.
Mr. Glen R. Ramsdell, 400 57th Place N. E., said he was opposed to the improvement
of the street.
Mr, Ro6ert Engstrom, 455 57th Place N. E., sa�d he �pposed the improvement.
Mr. John T711er, 417 57th Place also o6�ected to the improvement.
Mr. Robert R. Amborn, 4D5 57th Place, asked who would be paying for the �mprovement
of the easements. Ne �ndicated there was a 30 foot easement. The Mayor said the
City would be paying for the easement if it is in their possession and the County
would pay �f this was their easement. The City Engineer said if the easement was
the public right of way, the cost of the easement would be spread over the entire
street.
IRE DRIVE, DANA COURT, AND CAMELOT LANE (RICE CREEK ROAD TO MISSISSIPPI STREET
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Mayor Liebl asked Mr. Harris if he was in favor of the proposed improvements and
Mr. Harris said he would agree to the installation of the improvement. Mayor
Liebl asked Mr. Harris if he was prepared to pay the assessments, and Mr. Harris
said he would.
732 AVENUE - HIGHWAY #65 EAST SERVICE ROAD TO CENTRAL AUENUE:
The Acting City Manager said the City hoped the people would get together and vacate
the street and use the main access. He pointed out that now there is some building
on 73z and the improvements previous7y planned would be reactivated.
Councilman Breider questioned where the build�ng was being constructed. The Acting
City Manager said this was Central Auto Parts. Mayor L�ebl sa�d th�s had been part
of the stipulations for the added construction that the roadway be improved within
two to three years.
Mr. Thomas Flaherty, Central Auto Parts, 1201 73z Avenue N. E, said he had understood
that this improvement would 6e in two years. P4ayor L1e61 said the assessments would
be levied in 1975. Councilman Breider asked if there was a need that the street
be installed at this time. The Acting City Manager pointed ou� that for the present
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installation of the roadway and one of the reasons was because of the Rice Creek
Water Shed District concerns about the washing of the so�l of the area into
Rice Creek. He said the improvement would be the one method of stopping this
erosion and silting of the Creek.
Mr. Flaherty said he had talked to the land owners of the area and it was the
consensus of the area that the improvement not be done at the present time. �
He commented on the development of the area and said the people were not opposed
to the improvement, they would be more able to meet the assessment price in the
future. He exp7ained that the area people are still recovering from the
assessments on 73rd.
Mayor Lieb7 said he could not see the dirt street there. Mr. Flaherty sa�d the
area is commercial and only 50% of the property is developed, He indicated the
two main property owners to be Central Auto Parts and Fridley Auto Parts.
Mayor L�ebl pointed out that the assessments would not be levied until 1975. He
asked �f the improvements were delayed, would the property owners give the City
full support in the future.
Mr. Leroy Haluptzok, 1240 732 Avenue N. E., Fridley Auto Parts, said he would
favor the delay of the improvements for some t9me.
Mayor Liebl again po�nted out that the tmprovement of the street had been one of
the stipulations of the Bui7ding Standards Des�gn Control Su6committee when the
addit�on was approved.
The City Engineer agreed and said there were two reasons for the importance of the
�mprovement being installed. He referred to the requests of the Rice Creek Water
Shed District �o eliminate the erosion inta Rice Creek and secondly, the intent
of the City to upgrade the standards of the area by improvement of the street
and the installation of fencing so the cars would not be setting all over the ,
property. The City Engineer said there is a need for the improvement in the ,
appearance of the area. He pointed out that the assessments would not be levied
until about 1975.
Councilman Starwalt said he is familiar wiCh the area and he thought this was
the worse street in the City of Fridley.
Mr. Flaherty said he is attempting to improve the property, but he questioned if the
construct�on of the improvements to the property could be handled along with the
added expense of the levied assessments for the street improvement. He �ndicated
the street is needed and wanted, 6ut did not think the financial burden of the
two �mprovements could be met at the preser�t �time.
Councilman Starwalt pointed out that the improvement would greatly improve the
value of the property, and the assessments would not be levied for two years.
He said the two year period would be enough time for the property owners to
prepare f�nancially for the payment.
Mr, Cliford Thoe, 7250 Central Avenue N. E., said he lived right on Central and
would like to delay the improvement. He said he had 175 feet on 73rd and had
a$3,500 assessment for this improvement. He said with the added assessment,
th7s would be a financial burden on him. He questioned if the 7mproved 732 would
be as wide as 73rd. The City Engineer said no, this would include a concrete
curb and a blacktop street. Mayor Liebl said Mr. Thoe's assessment for the
improvement of 73z would be $1,630 as estimated at this time. ,
Councilman Starwalt asked Mr. Thoe if the assessment amount included any other
improvement beside the street. Mr. Thoe said no, the water had already been
installed. Councilman Starwalt said he was sure the amount of the assessment
cou7d be accounied for. The Ciiy Engineer said he was surprised at this price.
He continued, the actual assessment never goes over the estimate. Mr. Thoe asked
if he had perhaps paid for both sides of the street. The City Engineer said this
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Mr. Thoe said since 73rd has 6een improved, the street has turned into a drag
strip and the property owners cannot stand the noise. Ne felt some of the
traffic must be trave7ing at 70 miles per hour on the improved roadway. He
said he had called the Police Department, but felt it was not his business to
pursue the matter beyond this step,
� Mayor L�ebl asked Mr. Thoe if he was opposed to the improvement of 73z at this
time and Mr. Thoe said he would like to delay the improvement because at this
time he is paying $1,500 in taxes on his property.
BACON DRI1lE - ONONDAGA STREET TO 75TH AVE
Ms. Virginia Conrad, 7440 Bacon Qrive N. E., addressed the Council and stated
she ob�ected to the improvement being she did not want Bacon to become a through
street. She firmly stated there is a barricade at the end of the street and the
area property owners would like the barricade left there.
The City Engineer said the improvement of this street had been considered in 1970 and
the Council had indicated tt would be reconsidered in 1971 and installed. �he City
Engineer explained that this was not brought back for improvement in 1971 and now
with the improvements tn the area, �t �s the only dtrt street remaining in the
area.
Mrs. Conrad pointed out that some right of way would have to be acquired for the
improvement of the street. The Ciiy Engineer said this would be a part of the
plans for the improvement of the area. Mayor Liebl said this would be 6ought
by negotiations or condemned. The City Engineer said if the City was not able to
negotiate for the purchase of the property, they would go io the legal process for
acquisition.
� Mrs. Gonrad recalled the peop7e of the area had indicated they did not want the
streets tmproved in 1970 and the City had set the improvement as�de for several
years. She pointed out that she was not expressing the view that the street
should not be improved, she would question the need for the installation of a
30 foot street in the area. She asked if it would be possible to construct one
half of a street which would not go to 75th Avenue. She said she did not
want a race track created in the area as had been done with other through streets.
She said there is such a race track in the back yards of the area homes at the present
t�me, and the property onwers had requested the installation of a stop sign and �t
had not been installed, She suggested Arthur Street be improved instead.
Mrs. Conrad pointed out that Onan had been a good neighbor and had done a good ,7ob
of landscaping and had tried in all areas to conform to the wishes of the neighborhood,
6ut they did not have any control over the access and egress of the personnel of the
business. Mrs. Conrad also pointed out that there is not a child in the area who
does not use the street to gain access to the park, and this is a very small park
and the people of the area would like it to remain this way. She stated, if they
have to have a street, she would like it to be one half of a street.
Mayor Liebl asked the Acting City Manager/City Engineer to explain the proposed
improvement. The City Engineer said there is an accessability question. He said
there is a portion of the area where the right of way would have to be obtained.
He added, the proposed through street is what had been proposed all along and
there had been a resolution which instructed the improvements to be installed in
1971. He again stated, this is the only dirt street in the area. The City
� Engineer said McKinley Street in this area is to be improved in 1974.
Mayor Lieb7 suggested that Councilman Starwalt and Councilman Utter review the
area for an opinion and recommendation to the Counci7 on the improvements. He
mentioned if the plat �s approved, those people would have to be considered and the
City would have to be fair to i.hem also.
The City Engineer said they would have to cons�der the factor of providing access
to the other areas. He stressed the plan being considered was the same as was
considered three years ago. He said they have provided approaches from Onondaga
75th to Bacon Drive.
�iscussion followed concerning the installation of services and the storm sewer
in the area. The City Engineer said the necessary water and sewer �s already
in the area and there would be no additional installation of storm sewer
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f�9r. Charles Fowler, 7425 Bacon Drive N. E., asked if ii would be possible to
change the traffic pattern on Hayes to one way. The City Engineer said the
reason for the traffic problems in th�s area is because of the Onan traffic is
unable to obfia�n access to the highway, this is why they take the side streets
and use Moore Lake along Central Avenue for access to the Highway. He said if
all goes as planned, there would be a s�gnal at the intersection of 73rd and
T. H. #65 next year. �
A resident of the area presented the Council with letters from Mt^. and Mrs.
Gary B. 0'Malley, dated November 12, 1973 and Mr. and Mrs. John G. Westby,
dated November 12, 1973, stating they were unable to attend the meeting.
Mrs. Conrad stated the area appears to be 7arge enough for additional development,
but the actual measurements of the properties would prove this to be impossible.
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to receive the communication from Mr. and Mrs. Gary
B. 0'Malley, dated November 12, 1973 regarding the improvement of Bacon Drive and
also the commun7cation fY'om Mr. and�Plrs. John G. Westby, dated November 12, 1973,
also regarding the proposed improvement. Seconded by Councilman Utter, Upon
a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, Mayor L�ebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mayor Liebl informed the area residents that the members of the Council would
look at the area and determine the traffic prob7ems and allow for a practical use
of the entire area. He stated, they wouid also have to consider the creation
of �ditional difficulties on 75th.
SUNRSSE DRIVE - 615T AVENUE TO T. H. #47 SERVICE RDRD:
Mr. John L. Ranger, 6211 Sunrise Drive N. E., addressed the Council and said he
had c�rcu7ated the petition for the improvements of Sunrise �rive. He said he is
sure the amount of the assessment would hurt some people of the area, but he felt
by 1978 when all of the City's streets were to be improved, this assessment would ,
mount in price and be more severe. He indicated nine people of the area had signed
the petition for the impro �ment. He pointed out that this had not been 50% of
the people of the area. He stated he wou7d favor the insta7lation of the
improvement at this time.
The City Eng�neer said it was the hope of the C�ty that this is what would be
done. He �nformed the people of the area and the Council that this assessment
would be less in this area because of the good base which is currently in tact
and the improvement could use this for its hase, He stated this improvement
would be half of the price that is charged in other areas where the base cannot
6e used for the roadway. He said the normal amount would be $14.OQ and this
improvement is estimated at less than $5.00. He repeated the streets in Fridley
w�ll all be brought up to standard by 1978 and if the improvement would be delayed,
there wou7d be an increase in price.
Mr. Ranger asked how the City would determine the rate according to the footage
when the lots of the area are pie shaped and irregular. The Finance Director said
it has been the C�,ty's policy to determine the width at the setback line of the
property. Mr. Ranger asked how the easements in the area would be assessed and the
City Engineer said they would be assessed equally between the property owners in
the area. He indicated this would be for the road easement.
Mr. Wayne Brandt, 5231 Sunrise Drive, inquired why the petition had been honored
when it had not been signed by 50% of the property owners. Mayor Liebl said the
Council had not honored the petition, they had only received it. He further ',
explained, at the present time the people would be a61e to indicate whether or
not they were in favor of the improvement at the Public Hearing.
The City Engineer stressed the point that a number of streets are improved with-
out the people subm�tting a petit7on for the improvement. He indicated the
improvement was only being brought to the attention of the people for input and
determination if it ts wanted at this time. He said if the majority of the people
are not in favor of the �mprovement, it can be delayed, this would only involve a
discussion at the present time,
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A resident who had questioned the replacement of the driveways of the area during
the construction of the improvement indicated he would like to go on record in
oppas�tion to the improvement.
Mr. Ernest P. Powell, 6241 Sunrise Drive N. E., said he would oppose the improvement.
Mrs. Richard Auer, 6221 Sunrise �rive, said she opposed the improvement She
explained she had initially signed the petition, but had changed her view.
RAINBOW DRIVE - JUPITER DRIUE TO T. H. #47 SERVICE DRIVE:
The City Engineer said with the pet�tion submitted for the improvement of the other
street in the area, this street could be included in the improvement which would
reduce the overall costs of the improvement if the area people are interested in
the improvement.
Mr. Leonard Passon, 6211 Rainhow Drive, addressed the Council and staied he was
opposed to the improvement of Rainbow Drive. Mr. Passon questioned why this area
had heen by passed when the improvement of the remainder of the area was done.
He said as long as the improvement was not done before, he would oppose it at this
time. He questioned if the developer of the area was to have paid some money into
pending assessments for this improvement. His impression was that this had been
done.
Mayor Liebl asked when this money was to have been paid for the improvement, was
it when Sylvan Hills was planned? 7he Ciiy Engineer said this street was an oil
base stabalized street, and now the improvement would be for a blacktopped street
with curbing and gutters. He explained w�th this �mprovement, 100% of the cost
would be paid 6y the property owners. The City Engineer further explained, the
existing roadway Faill serve as a base for the improvement, and the costs of the
improvement would be reduced because of this factor.
ARTHUR S7REET - RICE CREEK ROAD TO MISSISSIPPI STREET.
The City Engineer pointed out the area to be developed and said some of the lots
in the area to the west stde of Arthur Street are vacant and have not been developed,
so under this improvement, only the east side of �he street would have curbing and
gutters under the currently proposed project. He also pointed out that �he Council
felt they did not want to install the storm sewer west of th�s area at this time,
so this would not be completed, the gutter and curb to the west would be completed
when all of the improvements are installed in the area.
Mayor Ltebl questioned the deletion of the curuing on one side of the street and
asked what �mprovements would be added in the future. The City Engineer pointed
out that this would involve the possibility of continuing the storm sewer of the
area up Arthur Street to Rice Creek. He asked if the people would be getting a
credit if the street is torn up and improved in the future. The City Engineer said
if the street is torn up, the peor�le would receive a credit.
Mr, hljalmar Anderson, 1491 Rice Creek Road, asked if Arthur Street would be improved
from 64th and all the way through. The City Engineer said this is the plan. He
pointed out that th�s is the only way the improvement could gain approval by the
Highway Department.
Mr. Anderson asked how much his assessments were estimated at.
Councilman Utter said he had talked �o Mr. Harris before the present meeting and
Mr. Harris indicated it would 6e possible for the improvement to run to Camelot
Lane only, and not all the way throught.
The City Engineer said eventually, the road would be put through, whether it be
now or two years from now. He said only the people abutting the road wou]d be
paying the assessments.
Mayor Liebl indicated with the other streets in the pro�ect, it would make this
improvement more feasible f�nancially for the people of the area.
�r. Anderson said he had checked into what it �.ould cost him, he questioned if
Mr. Neuman would a1so pay a portion of the improvement. The City Engineer sa�d
Mr. Neuman would be paying his share of the improvement.
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P�r. Rohyn Larson, 1482 M�ssissippi Street N. E., asked if the storm sewer would
be installed on Arthur Street. The City Engineer said there had alt^eady been a
Public Hearing on the storm sewer improvements in this area. Mr. Larson asked
if the storm sewer piping of the area would be done before the installation of the
street and the City Engineer said it would be done first,
Mr. Daryl Wolf, 6446 Arthur Street fd. E., questioned the proposed tnstallment of �
curbing on Arthur Street. He asked if this would just include the street which may
break up at the edges �n t�me. The City Engineer explained the concrete curbing
wou�d only be installed on the Harris Lake Estates Plat side of the street. He
explained the drainage problems of the area, When the other side of the street
is developed, he sa�d, the curb�ng and all other improvements would be added at
this t�me.
Counc�lman Starwalt asked if the curb could be put in at the present time. 7he
City Engineer again exp]ained that the deve7opment of the area is not complete to
the west of Arthur Street. He added, there would be an asphalt curb or edge which
would not break up and aid in the drainage such as on 64th at ihe present time.
He stated, th�s does look clean and contains the water.
Mr. Wolf said he would oppose the construction of Arthur Street all the way
through at the present time.
MISSISSIPPI STREET - CENTRAL AVENUE TO STINSON:
The City Engineer explained this roadway would be improved as a M7nnesota State
A�d Road, and this would �nvolve a normal residential assessment for the people
of the area. He stated, he believed this to be the poorest asphalt street in the
City, and the City had been holding up the improvement because of the drainage
problems in the area. At this point, there seems to be some directron on the
solution of the dra�nage problems, so it would be possible for the City to install
the improved roadway. He also pointed out that the School District �r14 has �
requested s�dewalks be installed on the north side of the street for the children
attending Rice Creek School and must use this roadway as access to school. The
City Eng�neer continued explaining that the additional costs of the �nsta77ation
of the side walk would be taken care of by the State Aid Funds. He stated the
people would be naynq �14.41 per front foot, or the same as residential streets
in other areas. He stated, the City has enough funds from State Aid to complete
the project.
Mr. Cletus C. Nei, 1465 Mississippi Street N. E., questioned the placement of
the electrical pole in his yard and asked if this improvement were approved,
would this pole be possibly moved to the lot line. The City Engineer said
whenever there is an improvement, the City sends the plans for the improvement
to the utility companies. He said if it is possible to change it to a better
suited posit�on, this would be done at this time,
Mr. Ferdinand F. Holzheu, Jr., 6491 Central Avenue N. E„ inquired if the
street would be as wide as it is from Old Central to Highway �r65? The City
Engineer sa�d it would not be this wide, the curbing would be angled so these
two corners would match up.
Mr. Holzheu sa�d he had been in he area for 25 years and for the last eight years,
the traffic on the corner of Old Central and Mississippi has become increasingly
worse. He questioned if there could be a stop signal installed here.
�Ir, Nei asked what the grade of the road would be estab7ish�d at and the City ,
Engineer said �t would be basically as it is at the present time.
Mr. Holzheu asked what the w�dth of the street would be and the City Eng7neer
said it would be 46 feet between curbs, or 23 feet from the center.
The City Engineer explained there would still be some problems with the storm
sewer and the drainage of the area. He indicated the system to be provided would
not be a complete system, but it would be at a lesser cost to the area people.
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
Utter. Upon a vo�ce vote, all voting aye, Mayor Leibl declared the motion carried
and the Public Hear�ng closed at 10:24 p.m.
Mayor Liebl said this would 6e placed on the Counc�l agenda for consideration the
second meeting in December.
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PUBLIC NEARING ON CREATION OF A NEW ZONING DISTRICT CALLED CREfK AND RIVER
PRESERVATION DISTRICT:
MOTION by Councilman Utter to waive the reading of the Public Hearing Notice.
Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor
Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously and the Public Hearing opened at 9•25 p.m.
, RECESS:
Mayor Liebl called a ten minute recess at 10.26 p.m.
RECONVENED:
Mayor Liebl reconvened the meeting at 10:42 p.m.
Mayor Liebl referred to the map in the agenda which indicated the zoning for the
Creek and River Preservation District. The City Engineer summarized the act7on
on the matter up until the present meeting and stated there would be a benefit to
those people who lived within the dtstrict because they would be ab7e to obtain
flood insurance in the future.
The City Engineer said this ordinance would affect some of the people in the
Riverview Heights area, and if there were future construction in this area, the
homes would have to be flood proofed. He said ihis may affeci about 50 buildable
lots. He said it would have some advantage for the existing homes in the area in
that it would pay for flood damage in the future.
The City Engineer explained that the City is required to adopt this ordinance as
recorrnnended by the State Legis7ature. He said the plan had been reviewed by the
Department of Natural Resources and the Planning Commission. He referred to the
minutes of the Planning Commission meeting within the agenda folder of the Council-
� men. He said the Planning Commisston had recommended to the Council adoption of
the Ordinance with two modifications. He stated, the Administration concurred
with the recommendation of the Planning Gommtssion.
Mayor Liebl said this would be a benefit to the people who live in the flood
pla�n area. He said these people would be able to 6uy insurance through the
Federal 6overnment.
Mrs. Margaret Iverson, 7899 Broad Avenue N. E., said her home was within the
area described on the map and she questioned if she would be ab7e to rebuild
the home at all if tt were destroyed more than 50% by flooding. The City Engineer
said this would znvolve properties within the flood way only and the Iverson home
was not in this area. He informed Mrs. Iverson, her home was within the flood
plain and she would be able to rebuild the home with flood proofing.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to close ihe Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
5tarwalt. Upan a voic e wote, all voting aye, Mayor Li�l declared the motion
carried unantmously and the Pub7ic Hearing closed at 1D 50 p.m.
The City Engineer pointed out that those people w�th vacant lands would be
most adversly affecied by the ordinance.
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RESOLUTION #149-1973 - APPROVING REGI
BERRY, GENERALLY
Y. P. 5.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to waive the reading of the Pu61ic Hearing Notice.
Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voiing aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously and Mayor Liebl declared the Public
Hearing opened at 10:51 p.m.
Counciiman Nee asked Mr. Berry if he had any ob,7ect�ons to the stipulations
recommended by the Plann�ng Commiss�on and Mr. Berry indicated he had none.
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The City Engineer explained 7f the City would not take possession of the remaining
lake 6ottom, it would probably become public iand in time anyway through tax
forfeit. His thought was that perhaps the City shou7d acquire the center of the
lake at thts t�me from Mr. Ostman. He indicated Mr, Ostman had said he would
deed the land to the City.
The C�ty Engineer pointed out the acquisition would benefit the area property �
owners as if there was work to be done, they would be assessed for this and the
City would not take the maintenance of the lake from General Funds. His second
po�nt was that this would a�d in the maintenance such as dredging and would a7so
follow the pol�cy of the Rice Creek Water Shed District for maintenance.
Mr. Berry pointed out that there would be seven peo�le involved in the land
proposal of the present meeting.
The City Eng�neer said he would not suggest the City taking ownership of the lake
bottom if this would harm the entire City. If there is to be any work done in the
future, the cost should be assessed to the abutttnq property owners. He pointed
out there wou7d be some regulations set by the Rice Creek Water Shed District.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to ciose the Pubitc Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
Breider. Upon a vo�ce vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously and the Public Hearing closed at 11:00 p.m.
MOTION by Counctlman fVee to adopt Resolution #149-1973 approvtng the Registered
Land Survey as requested by Mr. Harland Berry and the approval of the plat with
the st�pulations that an easement be dedicated to the City for the execution of
Public Works procedures under the water and that after the City accepts the title
to the lake bottom remain�ng parcel, this does not ob7igate the City for its
entire ma�ntenance. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
The Act�ng City Manager said he would draw up the resolution and submit it to �
the County.
The City Eng�neer explained the applicant had requested the stipulation for the
Fire Hydrant that had been placed on the building permit be waived. He stated
the permit had been issued already, but the applicant would like some d�scussion
on the stipulation. The Ciiy Engineer said the Council had approved the permit
with this st�pulation and the applicant wanted this deleted, this was why it was
on the present agenda. The City Engineer indicated boih of the persons concerned
were in attendance at the present meeting, so they would be able to elaborate on
the matter.
Mr. Robert Hughes, Fire Chief, addressed the Council and said there would be
some alternatives to the stipulation required. He added, there are some problems
involved with accessability to the Fridley Bus Garage. Ne pointed out that there
would be no access from Main Street except on Mississippi to the railroad track
area. He said the ideal situatton would be creating a loop with three hydrants,
but one alternative would be to create a driveway to the bus garage which would
be plowed for F�re Truck access during the winter months.
Mr. Hughes said the hydrant on Mississippi Street would be eliminated because ,
of the underpass, and a hydrant should 6e provided in the area to replace this
one being taken out. Chief Hughes said this hydrant could be installed in the
back of the �esignware property.
Mr. Hughes said he had checked the conditions at the Designware Bu�lding and he
had determined by this review that there is very little in the manufacturinq area
that could burn, He added, the only area that would conta�n burnable material
would be the office section of the building, Mr. Hughes said if the conditions
at the business would not change, the hydrant on the corner of Main and Mississippi
would be sufficient.
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P�ayor Liebl questioned if the �esignware property has a spr�nkling system. Mr.
Hughes said he did not feel the installation of a sprin<linq system would do
much good with the type of operation as there is not much that could burn. He
sa�d he did not think ihere is a fire hydrant tn the plant area, and this would
not decrease the fire insurance, they are paying a low rate Chief Hughes sa�d
he thought there would have to 6e a hydrant put on the corner of Main and
Mississippi Street. Mayor Liebl asked Chief Hughes who he believed to be responstble
for the tnstallation of the hydrant and Chief Nughes sa�d he felt the City shou1d
be responsible for this. He thought this was the City's responsibility because
the existing hydrant was ta be taken out 6ecause of the underpass.
The Ctty Engtneer said the watving of the
the Fire �epartment feels there is a need
hYdrant.
stipulation would depend on how strongly
for or the possibilzty of deleting the
Mr. Hughes said he thought the installation of the hydrant on Mississippi Street
would be sufficient. He added, he did not see any problems with the Bus Garage
as this would be a clean operation and the hydrant urould not help Designware.
Mr. Roger Christenson said he had a plow and he would be abYe to keep the driveway
open and accessable to the building for the Fire Department. Mayor Liebl asked
if Mr. Christenson would write a letter stating his agreement to this plan of
plowing the access to the area. Mr. Christenson said he would submit a letter
of agreement to this plowing.
Mr. Hughes pointed out if in the future, the use of the Designware property would
be changed to warehouse area, the City would have to re-evaluate the situation as
this would be a hazard.
The City Engineer said the requirement for the fire hydrant could be waived for
the present time, with the sttpulation that Mr. Christenson plow the drive way.
Mr. Hughes said Mr. Brink of �esignware would have to agree to allow�ng an
easement area for the stacking of snow plowed from the driveway area of the
Fridley Bus Garage. Mr. Brink indicated he would submit a letter to this effect
to the City for the easement for the stacking of snow 6y Mr. Chr�stenson.
Councilman Starwalt questioned why the stipulation had been made at the time
the permit was granted, when at the present time, it was belnq said that it was
not needed. Mr. Hughes explained the operation of the business by Designware has
cut down on the amount of paper being used in packing of mater�als. Mr Brink
explained by the utilization of the additional space, 80% of the packag�ng mater7als
had been eliminated from the operat�on. Mr. Hughes asked Mr. Brink if there would
be access to the property from the parking lot to the loading dock area and Mr.
Brink said this would be no problem.
Councilman Utter expressed the thought that the two people involved were decreasing
their own amount of fire protection by the deletion of the hydrant from the plan.
Ne stated, he would not want the property owners to come back to the Council and
indicate the City had not given them proper fire protection if their building
would burn down.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to waive the sttpulation for the fire hydrant as
requested by Designware Industries, Inc. Seconded by Councilman Breider
Mr. Hughes pointed out that the hydrant water is not always needed, the truck
has a large supply.
Councilman Utter questioned the access within the area where there were trees.
He also pointed out that the operation of Designware could again be changed with
the increased use of the packaging material.
Mayor Liebl indicated he had faith in the judgement of the Fire Chief and would
recommend his suggestions be followed.
Councilman Utter said he was not questioning the �udgement of Chief Hughes,
he would question the possibility of a change in operation of the two people
concerned.
Mr. Brink explained the change in the operation would be less expensive than the
other method previously used, and �t was his intention to alleviate the added
expense of the operat�on especially with the currently being constructed addition.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, all vot�ng aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
unanimously.
CONSIDERATION OF ACQUISITION OF TAX FORFEIT PROPER7Y BEING OFFERED FOR SALE•
RIVERVIEW HEIGHTS, ANOKA COUNTY MINNESOTA:
Block AA
Parcel # Lot #
5740
5745
5750
5755
5760
5765
5775
5820
5825
5835
5870
5900
5905
5910
597 5
5920
Parcel #
6000
6005
6010
6075
6020
6030
6035
6045
6050
Parcel #
3080
3290
Parcel �
5675
5680
5685
5690
Block BB
Block M
Block N
f3CT.7'3'�I
2
3
4
5
6
7
8&9
18
19
20 & 21
za
34
35
36
37
38
Lot #
75
16
77
18
19
20 & 21
22
23 & 24
25
Lot #
4,5,6,7, & 8
17 & 18
Lot #
1&2
3
4
5
The City Engineer said the lots in question are in the Riverview Heig hts area
and if it is the �ntention of the Council, they could authorize the acquisition
of the lats.
Councilman Breider said the price for the lots would be $13.30 per lot or a total
of $545.30, Ne asked if this would be 41 lots and the City Engineer said yes.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to authorize the City of Fr�dley to acquire the 41 tax
forfett lots aforementioned. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor L�ebl declared the motion carried una m mousiy.
The City Eng�neer said the City would be pay7ng more for the lots with the
amount of the assessments that would be due on the property.
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APPROVAL OF LETTER T� CIUIC ORGANIZATIONS REGARDING FRIDLEY SI�i�ER JUBILEE:
Mayor Liebl indicated if the Council approved the sendrng of the letter, he
would like the members to sign it at the present time.
� MOTION by Councilman Utter to concur with the recommendation of the Administration
and approve the sending of the letter regarding the Silver Jubilee to the var�ous
civic organizations. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt.
Councilman Utter questioned if the sending of ihis letter would cause confusion
because the Chamber of Commerce had a7ready sent a letter concering the �ubilee.
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unammously.
RECEIVING THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF NOVEMBER 7, 1973•
MOTTON by Councilman Utter to recieve the Minutes of the Planning Commission
Meeting of November 7, 7973. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVING THE MINUTES OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE
MEETING 0 EMBE 8, 197 :
CONSIDERATION OF REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT A NEW BUILDING FOR SPECULATIVE
PURPOSES LOCATED ON PART OF LOT 2, BLOCK 4. COMMERCE PARK: THE SAME
The City Engineer explained to the Council that the proposed construction
would be beh�nd Gazda Moving.
Councilman Breider questioned the type of building materials to be used in
the construction. The City Engineer pointed out the proposed construction
on the plan on the easel and said there would be stone panels w�th cedar
wood. He continued saying the building would be stone on the north and
metal on the south.
Mayor Liebl asked the applicant if he would go along with the seven stipulations
of the Building Standard Design Control Su6committee and the representative
of the Company agreed to the execution of the stipulations.
MOTION 6y Councilman Breider to concur wtth the recommendations of the
Building Standards Design Control Subcommittee and approve the construction
with the seven stipulations recommended. Seconded by Councilman Utter.
Upon a vo�ce vote, all voting aye, Mayor L�ebl declared the motion carried
unanimously.
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION 70 THE
� M�TIDN by Councilman Breider to concur with the recommendations of the Building
Standards Design Control Subcommittee and approve the request for ihe construction
with the three stipulations recommended by the Subcommittee. Seconded by
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
ION OF A REOUEST TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION TO THE PRESENT BUILDING
The City Engineer satd the Building Standards Design Control Subcommittee
had recommended approval of the request with some stipulations.
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A representative of Simer Pump addressed the Council and said he would
agree vaith all of the stipulations with the exception of Number 5 which
concerns the driveway. He explained the driveway was a portion of both
lots and has been for the past 12 years. He said he would have no ob,7ections
to this stipulation, but it would force the other company to construct their
own dr�veway instead of us7ng the mutual easement.
The City En9ineer said it would be his recommendation to approve the request �
and delete the fifth stipulation, with the intention that the applicant and
the City would work out th�s point.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to concur with the recommendaiions of ihe Building
Standards Des�gn Control Subcommittee and their stipulations with the exception
of the fifth, indicating the applicant will work with the Engineering Department
for the satisfactory solution to the placement of the driveway. Seconded by
Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl deciared
the motion carried unanimously.
TO CONSTRUCT AN AD�ITION TO THE PRESENT BUIL�TNG
The City Engineer said the approval of the request would further the
steps to clean up the area of Beech Street. Councilman Breider asked �f the
applicant was the owner of the two buildings to 6e joined in the proposed
construction, and the City Engineer said yes.
Mayor Liebl said there were five stipulations recommended by the Building
Standards �esign Control Suhcommittee. Mayor Liebl read aloud the five
stipulations and asked the representative of the company �f he o6,7ected
to any of them and the representative indicated he had no objections. �
The City Engineer expla�ned to the Council that there would be some variances
needed also, for this construction. The City Enginer said the Council could
approve the var�ance with the condition ihat the applicant obtarn letters
from the ad�oining properties to the sides. Councilman Breider said he
would have no objections to ihis approval at the present meeting.
MOTI,ON 6y Councilman Breider to grant the request for the proposed construction
as recommended by the Building Standards Design Control Subcommittee with
their sttpulations and also approve the granting of the variance in the 6ack
yard setback with the stipu7ation that the applicant obta�n leiters of
agreement to the granting of the variance from the two property owners
abutting 7755 Beech Street or� the sides. Seconded by Councilman Utter.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the mot�on carried
unanimously.
The City Engineer said this would be a small addition to the Railroad ,
Accessories Building.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to concur with the recommendations of the Building
Standards Design Control Subcommittee and approve the construction of the
addition w7th the stipulations recommended by the Subcommittee. Seconded
by Counc�lman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanlmously.
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST TD CONSTRUC7 AN ADDITION TO 7HE PRESENT STRUCTURE
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MOTI�N by Councilman Nee to approve the request for the construction by
Midland Coop as recommended by the Bui7ding Standards Design Control
Subcommittee with the three stipulations. 5econded by Councilman
Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously
CONSIpERATION OF A REOUEST TO
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MOTION by Councilman Breider to approve the request for the construct7on
of garages to be used by apartment dwellers as recommended by the Building
Standards Design Control Subcommittee with their recommended stipulation
that if additional parking space is needed, it will be provided, Seconded
by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to rece�ve the minutes of the Qu�ilding Standards
Design Control Subcommittee Meet7ng of November 8, 1973. Seconded by Councilman
Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously.
ESTIMATES:
Smith, �uster, Feikema, Haskvitz & Casserly
Builders Exchange Building
Minneapo1is, Minnesota 55402
Research and Preparation for Litigation,
Police Pension Relief Associtat�on vs. PERA
Carl Newquist
Smith, Juster, Feikema, Haskvitz & Casserly
Bu�lders Exchange Building
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402
Services Rendered as Prosecutor for October,
1973
Southside Plumbing and Heating
509 lst Avenue N. E.
Minneapolis, Minnesota
Mechanical Work on Fridley Liquor Store
for period from 11/15/72 to 8/27/73
$ 907.63
$ 1,100.00
$21,615.30
MOTION by Councilman Nee to approve the Estimates. Seconded by Councilman 5tarwalt.
Upon a voice voie, all voting aye, Mayor Lieb7 declared the motion carried unanimously.
RESOLUTION #150-1973 - TO ADVERTISE FOR BIDS FDR PACKAGE PROPER7Y AND CASUALTY
MOTION hy Councilman Nee to adopt Resolution #150-1973, to adverttse for bids
for Package Property and CaSUalty Insurance. Seconded by Councilman Utter.
Upon a voice vote, all voiing aye, Mayor Lieb7 declared the motion carried una m mously.
CONSI�ERATION OF GIVING TIME OFF 70 CITY EMPLOYEES AROUND THANKSGIUING DAY
Mayor Liebl asked if this has been the policy of the City in the past. The Acting
City Manager said 7t had not been done in the past, but a number of the City
employees had planned to take the day off on vacation time. The Acting City
Manager said he would recommend the Council approve allowing the City employees
the day off as this would create good will.
MOTION 6y Councilman Utter to approve allowing the City employees to have
a holiday on November 23, 1973 indicating this would not set a precedent.
{An amendment to th�s motion was made at the November 19, 1973 Council meetin9
which indicated and defined the City employees to be those working a 40 hour work
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week. This motion was made 6y Councilman Breider, Seconded by Councilman
Starwalt w�th Mayor Liebl, Councilman Nee, Councilman Breider, and
Councilman Starwalt, voting aye, and Councilman Utter voting aye.) Seconded
by Councilman Bre�der. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor L�ebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
CONSIDERATION OF APPROVING TAX FORFEIT LOTS FOR SALE: '
Mayor Liebl read through the list of recommendations from the Administration.
�' After discussion of the ind�vidual items and their probab7e or need
for acquisit�on, the Council agreed that the City should purchase the following
parcels at the appraised value set by the County Commissioners;
Parcel #,60 Auditor's Subdivision No. 94, Part of Lot 1
Parcel #6000 Auditor's Su6div�sion No. 94, Part of Lot 5
Parcel #1180, Spr�n9 Valley, Lot i0, Block 2
Parcel �]260, Spring Valley, Lot 12, B7ock 2
Parcel #1340,Spring Valley, lot 14, Block 2
The Council agreed to acquire easement over a portion of the following parcels
for streets and utilities:
Parcel #2100, Auditor's Su6division No. 129, Lot 30
Parcel #2890, Fridley Park, Lots 1, 2, & 3, Block 15
The CouncTl cansensus was to hold the fol7owing parcels:
Parcel #720, Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, Westerly 21 feet of Lot 11
Parcel #2890, Fridley Park, Lots 1, 2, & 3, Block 15
MOTION 6y Councilman Utter to concur in the aforementioned parcels and recommendations
from the Administration. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor Lieb7 declared the motion carried unanimously.
AbJOURNMENT•
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MOTION by Counci7man Breider to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Councilman Utter.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously
and the Public Hearing Meeting of the Fridley City Council of November i2, 1973
ad,7ourned at 11:59 p,m,
Respectfully submitted,
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Secretary to the City Council
Date Approved
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