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01/15/1974 SPEC - 54731 �I , ' ' ' IJ ' ' � , 1 ' L 1 1 1 1 1 PATRICIA ELLIS COUNCIL SECRETARY SPECIAL MEETING FOUNDATIONOOKNORTHRPARK)TER JANUARY 15, 1974 ' I� . . � i ' � � ' I � t i ' , �I I ' i � � ' � I , I � f � � ,� 1 C� ' ' u ' �J 1'HE MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL MEETING OF THE FRIDLEY CITY COU�iGIL OF JANUARY 15, 1974 Mayor Liebl convened the Spe cial Meeting of the fridley City Council of January 15, 1974 at 7:38 p.m. - COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT COUNCIL P4EMBERS ABSENT: Councilman Utter, Councilman Nee, Councilman Breider, Councilman Starwalt, and Mayor Liebl None. Mayor Liebl said he had received a call from Mr. Earl Biermann, 7830 Alden Way and Mr. �iermann requested a special meeting be set up for the purposes of a presentation on the North Park property. Mayor Liebl said the members of the Council had received a copy of a letter from Doctor Richard Trezona, Chairman of the Spring Brook Nature Center Foundation. Mayor Liebl called on Dr. Trezona and asked if he would introduce the members of the Foundation to the Council and audience. Dr. Trezona addressed the Council and said he did not think he would need much of an introduction since he had been a resident of Fridley since 1946. He said the group would like to make an informal presentation. Dr. Trezona introduced the Secretary of the foundation, Mr. Ernest A. Petrangelo, a member of the Riee Creek Watershed District, 520 Rice Creek Blvd., and stated he was able to provide information on Fridley to the group. Mr, blilliam R. Pieper, 7reasurer of the Foundation, was in'troduced as a member of a Bank in Coon Rapids. Dr. Trezona next went through the list of Directors of the Foundation and introduced those who were present as follows: Mr. Lyle Bradley, Anoka-Hennepin District 11 Science Chairman who was not present; Dr. Walter J. Breckenridge, Director Emeritus, Bell Museum of Natural Histroy, who was to arrive at the meeting at a later time; Architect Dennis R. Holloway, Project Ouroboros, University of Minnesota School of Architecture and Landscape Architecture, who arrived later in the meeting; Dr. Donald B. Lawrence, Professor of Botany, University of Minnesota, writer, and interested in the development of a nature center; Dr, �avid Meech, Research Biolo- gist, U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service, who was not present (a Fridley resident); Mr. John E. Meyer, Professional Consulting Engineer from School District #14; Mr. Mark G. Noble, Graduate Student, Botanist, University of Minnesota, present;. Mr. David D. Schaaf, State Senator, Minnesota District No. 46, not present; Mrs. Janice R. Seeger, i�lember of the North Park ad hoc Committee, present; Dr. Harris B. Tordoff, Uirector Bell Museum of Natural History, not present; Rev. Winston L. Worden, Eagle Scout and Environmentalist, Fridley res�dent and referred to as the Foundation's conscience; P+Ir. Jack P. Velin, International Brotherhood of Teamsters; Mr. Donald C. Savelkoul, legal Advisor; Mrs. LeeAnn Sporre, Recording Secretary. Dr. Trezona continued the presentation stating the members of the Foundation could best explain their feelings concerning the use of North Park as a nature center by viewing the filr•, °I Heard a Whisper", which was produced by WCCO and had been televised recently by them. He introduced Mr. Chuck Ross, 5895 Centra] Avenue N. E., a film conservationist employed by WCCO. Dr. Trezona ran the film presentation for the Council which was a tour of the Woodlake Nature Center in Richfield. Dr. Trezona expressed his thanks to the City for notifying a member of the Citizens Advisory Comnittee who had asked to be contacted if there were another meeting on North Park. Dr. Trezona read aloud the letter which had been sent to the members of the Council and also made reference to the clipping of a newspaper artic,le written by Jim Kimball and titled "Group Dissolved After Nature Center Success". Mr. Petrangelo addressed the Council and read a-stabnent aloud in support of a nature center in North Park. Mr. Petrangelo passed out copies of his statement to the Council and City Manager. Mr. John Meyer, President of the Board of Education, School District #14 passed a written statement to the Council and City Manager and said his personal enthusiasm was best sumned up by the movie shown at the present meeting. � If I � 2,6 SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 2 He indicated a nature center would serve as an educational tool for School District #14. Mr. Meyer read the statement aloud to the Council and audience and restated the Resolution passed by the School Boa.rd recently, in support of a nature center and which also offered aid in the compensation of a naturalist. He believed this program would be good for the children of School District #14. Dr. Trezona passed out a written statement to the Council and City Manager and said there may be some question about his interest in a nature center when he was a dentist He continued saying the closest he had come to a nature center was to fill the teeth of a friend's stuffed tiger head, in order to question him on the authenticity of the wild beast. . Dr. Trezona read his statement aloud to the Council and audience and said the movie told the story better than he could tell it. He then introduced Mr. Chuck Ross and said he was the person who had made the film. P1r. Ross addressed the Council and said he had not produced the film, this was done by Jack Jones and Peggy Fleetham. Ne said the North Park area as well as the Woodlake area was unique because of the urban community surroundings. Fie informed those present that the narration within the movie was done by a fifth grade student. Mr. Mark Noble addressed the Council and said he would like to explain the project and thoughts of Dr. Dennis Holloway, who was not yet present at the meeting. Mr. Noble explained Dr. .Holloway was associated with the project Ouroboros at the University of Minnesota which was the creation of a solar powered home. He continued saying Dr. Holloway is interested in creating a solar powered nature center in North park and with the energy crisis, this would be very unique. Mr. Noble explained the proposal as constructing a wind and solar powered center where all of the waste could be recycled. He added, this would be very important, and he thought the City of Fridley should look into this proposa7. Dr. Trezona again addressed the Council saying there may be more members present who would want to address the Council. He called on the members present. Mr. Bernie Fashingbauer, 110 Suzanne Ct., Director of the Warner Center in St. Paul, addressed the Council and introduced himself as a naturalist. He pointed out that from eight to ten groups of Fridley young people attend the Warner Nature Center facility each year. He stated the facility is filled up every day and cannot begin to handle the number of calls for requests for tours. Mayor Liebl said he had been cansidering the many arguments in favor of a nature center and this is why he favor hirinq a natural interpretive director as a part of the City of Fridley staff. Mayor Liebl asked Mr. Fa_shinbauer if he felt this is the way the average citizen of Fridley would feel, would he favor a nature interpretive center? Mr. Fashingbauer responded stating he could not come up with anything that would do justice to the City and its enterprises as a nature center would. Mayor Liebl asked how many nature centers in the area or metro wide area could be depended on for this type of program. Mr. Fashingbauer said at Warner, there had to be full time people hired to fill the demands of one community. He said immediately after the center opened, they were filled with reservations and unable to take in any walk in visitors. He stated, tney could not meet the demands. Mayor Liebl asked if the nature centers were unique in design. Mr. Fashingbauer explained there are no two alike in physical facilities and no two operate in the same manner. Councilman Nee asked how the Warner Center had been financed. Mr. Fashingbauer said the Center was owned by a private Foundation and.the Science Museum of Minnesota. He said the funding for the Science Museum had been obtained through the State Legislature. He said the center operates with almost no public funding. Mr. Fashingbauer said Mr. Goodrich lowry could answer these questions, he v,�ould be one of the best judges of the metro area nature centers. Ne explained, Mr. Lowry had formed Carver and three other centers. �:: � � �I ' t ' i � , I � I i i ' ; { � ' � ' ' �� i ; � � , ' ' 4 � � I ' I ' . C SPECIAL MEETING -0F JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 3 27 I Mr. Goodricti Lowry addressed the Council and stated before the formation of the , � committee to establish the Carver and other centers, he had traveled all over � the country to review nature centers. He recalled when he heard there was discussion � on a proposed nature center in the Fridley area, he thought this would be just an ; ordinary site. He toured the area with Mr. Mark Noble and Mrs. Seegar and was , antonished with the beavers, marshes and other assets of the site. He stated this is one of the best opportunities in the country for the installation of a nature center. He said he was impressed with the qu�;lity of the people concerned with ; the project and also impressed with the environment of the City of Fridley. ' II� ' ' ' � i!� � l_ _l ' � ' ' Dr. Trezona stated he felt Mr. Lowry's attendance at the meeting and interest in the proposal was a compliment to the community. Dr. Trezona commented that Dr. Holloway had arrived and he introduced him to the Council and audience. He asked Dr. Holloway if he would like to make any statements and Dr. Holloway said he would like to listen to the general discussion before he would make any comments. The Rev. Winston Worden addressed the Council and said, as the Council is aware, he is a Pastor and had had a great deal of experience in Scouting. He stated he would have to say in all honesty and from the bottom of his heart that his greatest experiences with God have occurred out af doors. He further explained he was not saying he did not enjoy experiences in the established church. He said he had seen more men and young men have religious experiences on top of a mountain or at the lake shore, than he has experienced as a Pastor in church. He said he supported the nature center proposal because this would build the educational experiences for the City of Fridley and also give the people a spiritual insight. He stated there would be no greater possible use for the land than what is being proposed by the nature center interpretive advocates. Dr. Trezona stated he hoped what the Foundation had presented to the Council was acceptable. Mayor Liebt said he was impressed with the presentation given by the members of the Foundation. He said he was also impressed by the proposed nature interpretive program and said he is sure this type of program would be worthwhile to the community. Mayor Liebl directed his comments to Dr. Trezona stating he had not been born in this country, but had traveled in many parts of the world and had seen many different kinds of countries. He assured those present that the future generations and citizens of Fridley will remember and appreciate the decision which would be made by the City Council on the North Park issue. He recalled the land had been acquired a few years ago with funding aid coming in the amount of 25% from the City of Fridley, 25� from State Funds, and 50% from Federal Funding. Councilman Starwalt explained he had been hearing the pros and cons of both sides of this issue and one of the main facto rsin determination of the usage of North Park would be the funding source. He said he had heard the golf course would be self supporting and the nature center would be expensive. He questioned the members of the Foundation asking if they were prepared to discuss their proposals for funding the nature center at this time. He asked if this would be discussed now or sometime in the future. Or. Trezona said he did not think the Foundation was prepared to make a statement of the funding at the present time. He explained the Foundation is not sure where the funding would come from. He recalled the development of another center in the area and commented it had obtained funding from the County and also from private donations. He said this made the nature center possible. He said there would be. some educational programs provided from the tax rolls through the interest and aid of School District #14. He said they were prepared to aid in the compensation of a naturalist. He pointed out there would be no immediate need for any large expendi.tures of money to use the facility, it could be used at the present time in its present condition with the use-of a naturalist. He concluded, he did not know the answer, but thought it could be funded. Mayor Liebl expressed doubt that the group could accumulate enough funds to make the nature center operational and maintained without any cost to the citizens of Fridley.. Mayor Liebl repeated the request by the Chairman of the Foundation, stating if the City of Fridley would go ahead and lease the Foundation the 120 acres to the foundation, and tell the people they would not have to contribute to the project, this would be irresponsible. Dr. Trezona agreed, but stated, the facility would be usable as a nature center as it stands. ' ' � — : SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 4 . � � , 4 Mayor Lieb] said the nature center supporters would have to be honest in the funding matter. He pointed out that the tax structure of the City was very good � at the present time and the City and County taxes had decr^eased, but the School District #14 taxes had increased. He said if the School District would have done ' the same thing, there would not have been any increases in the City. He said he would not say the City would agree to give the Foundation the land and this would 1 resolve the City from any responsilility. He said there would have to be some cooperation for the establishment of a nature center in the City of Fridley or the ' idea would not get off the ground. Dr. Trezona agreed saying this could be done with the Cooperation of the City and ~ the School Districts. Mayor Liebl pointed out that there is no Federal funding available at this time for this type of project. fie said it would be possible to talk to the state, fie said again, this would have to be done in the best interest of the entire community, and all of the people in the community would have to be considered in the decision making process. He added, both requests for the development of North Park have to be considered, and he would be making a proposal which he believed would be acceptable to the Council. Councilman Starwalt said he had been questioning all aspects of the proposal during his time on the Council and he had thought there was not enough firm information to hang on to any exacting plans. He pointed out that the other successful nature centers had received contributions from private sources, Sta.te funds and also Federal f.unding. He said in this instance or proposal, the tax payers of Fridley would be compelled to pay the initial cost which may be about $80,000. He said the Woodlake Center was only one half of this amount and the remainder was obtained through State and Federal funding. Councilman Starwalt questioned the change in opinion expressed by the School District #14. He said initially, School District #14 said they would not be able to help with the funding or staffing of such a nature center, and the second decision had been changed to indicate there would be some aid in the staffing of a nature center. Mr. John Meyers, Chairman of the Board of Education of School Districl: #14, addressed the Council and said the matter was discussed at two different times with different criteria in mind. He explained that from the standpoint of the structure of the curriculum at the time that this was first reviewed, it could not be said that the School District could provide this aid which would be something down the line. He further explained the first decision was one decided upon on the first set of facts, it was a job well done with what was available to work with. He said recently the School Board had met and discussed at length the policy which it would establish in the matter. He said the second was a policy statement which would indicate their policy for the future. He continued this may be done with the cooperation of the City and the School District and this would not necessarily mean there would be an increase in taxes for the people of Fridley. Councilman Starwalt said he had heard that there is no limit to the amount of activities that could be planned and executed at the nature center. He addressed his questions to Mr. Fashingbauer who had stated the nature centers are fi7led up for months in advance just hours after opening. He explained one May day he was in the area of a nature center and stopped to review it. He stated there was only two staff inembers present, one was talking on the telephone and the other was maintaining a bridge. He said there was one visitor and himself there, and not one other soul in sight. He said he was puzzled and wondered where all of the people were. He asked what type of scheduling was done, was this during peak and non-peak times. He asked if there are times where there is no one present, �: Mr. Fashingbauer said he wished this was true. He stated at the center where he is on the staff, they are booked solid, but there are some sQasonal breaks. He continued to explain that a minimum of 140 people per day would be visiting the center. He said the staff limits the number to two classrooms or one bus load, and the schools put as many bodies in the bus as possible. He said the staff consists of two naturalists and 160 housewives who volunteer their time as trail guides for one day per week. Councilman Breider questioned Dr. Trezona to the Cour�cil before the present_meeting. letter and questioned if the membership of on the letter which had been submitted He said he had read and re-read the the advisory committee and the directors � ' �,� C ' ' �� ' ' ' ' � ' � , � ��� , LJ � '�! ' � ' ' , _— -- --- ----- � G� SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 5 of the Foundation were in agreement with the proposal in the letter. Dr. Trezona � said at the last meeting of the committee, he was authorized to write the statement. ; Councilman Breider asked if the Foundation had any funds in its treasury. �r. i Trezona said there was approximately $200 in the fund. � Councilman Breider questioned Dr. Trezona asking if the Foundation had given any thought to the Islands of Peace Project and their attempt to gain funding. He said the funding would be requested from the same people, he asked if this was a logical plan. Dr. Trezona said the paths of the two Foundations may cross, but it could not be determined if there would be competition in this respect. Councilman Breider asked if the Foundation would like some tentative statement from the Council on the consideration of the proposal. He questioned if this would be a great task to obtain the necessary funding. Dr. Trezona said he would like the Council's consideration on the proposal of setting up a time table for the consideration of the establishment of a nature center. He said if the group had some time to work on the funding, and a statement which would provide for the installation of a nature center if the necessary funds are acquired by the Foundation, -then it would be possible to obtain the funding. He said again if the money is obtained in a certain amount of time, he would like some indication from-the Council that they would make a decision in favor of the Foundation. Mayor Liebl pointed out that the City had hired a professional for input on the utilization of North Park, and also an outside consultant and this was done at the time when the grant was applied for. He said at this time, the City had indicated they would develop the property with some sort of recreational facility, and this could be interpreted many ways. He stated the Council would have to be responsible to its constituents and make a decision which is not based on political pressures. He stressed the development of the land should be of some benefit to the people of the City of Fridley and the project was pressed for time. He said at one point, the Consideration was put in the hands of a committee, which was an attempt to lessen the political pressures. He said the committee was made up of equal members from each of the requested proposals. lie said the land could not be left as it is, because this is not what had been promised the State and Federal Governments when the funding was applied for. He said he was not referring to monatary benefits to the people of Fridley, he had taken an oath of office which indicated the majority of the citizens would rule and he would abide by this. Mayor Liebl stated he hoped the proposal by the Foundation was not being made for the purposes of stalling the consideration on the issue. He stressed, the Council could no longer stall, it must make a decision, and live with the decision. He said he could not give the Foundation years to try to obtain the necessary committment for funding. He stated this would not be acceptable. Dr. Trezona said the Foundation had no intention of stalling. He said it would be their obligation to find the funding and this would take some time. Mayor Liebl questioned Dr Trezona on what was to be told the people of Fridley after the City had set up a committee, hired a consultant to give a report on the utilization of the land, and this was to point out the direction to go according to the criteria of the area. He said the decision which was to be made could not possibly please everyone. Mayor Liebl continued stating he would be ready soon to make a recommendation to the Council on his suggestion for the utilization. Ne explained, by the City Charter, he is unable to make a motion. He further stated he would work to p.rovide what is in the best interest of the people of Fridley. Dr. Trezona said the citizens have no power ta act on the matter alone; and this is why the foundation had been set up. He added, they could acquire the funds which would relieve the citizens, the City, and the tax budget. Ms. Shelly Gar addressed the Council and said she is a local artist and would like to speak for artists from all over the state. She pointed out that the North Park area wauld provide a site for artists to work being it had never been touched. She continued to state she had been involved with the Fridley Cultural Growth program and found it difficult to work on as there is no place in Fridley to work. She ' stated she had obtain approval form a well known artist to paint a work which would be auctioned off with the proceeds from the auction going to the nature center Foundation. She said not all of the funding would have to be provided immediately like in the construction of the golf course. She added, this could be a long renge plan. She stated once the area is bulldozed, it could not be a nature center. ! . i � � �_____--------------------_.----J � �l SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 6 ' Dr. Holloway addressed the Council and said the consideration of the decision in light of the current energy crisis should be discussed. He indicated all of the current information regarding the energy situation is confusing from the politicians and also the representatives of the various oil companies. He thought it was true, the American peop7e could expect an energy shortage which would change our life styles. He recalled the type of situation and forms of recreation that were limited to the people during the 1930's and he continued saying the people of Fr'idley would have to depend on the area open space for recreational activity. Ne said this is the reason the open space programs are receiving so much sharp attention in the Metro area. Dr. Hojioway said there is natural antouched beauty in this area and he would ask the Council. to consider the decision wisely with the educational values being considered. Mayor Liebl asked Dr. Holloway if he had looked at the area and had seen the traffic, noise and industry in the area. Dr. Holloway said he had seen the area and he would still say this is best suited for a nature center. Dr. Holloway called the Council's attention to the creation of Central Park in the middle of New York City and said the people of the City could not live without it. , Mayor Liebl asked if Dr. Holloway thought a golf course would be environmentally , detremental to the community and Dr. Holloway said initially, it may not be. He continued with the shortage of fuel, eventually it may not be possible to mow the lawn. He aTso pointed out that the people of the area are able to take their chiTdren to the north woods of the State and v9ew natura} settings. He thought this would also be limited in the future. He said North Park may be invaluable in the future. � i Councilman Breider said there are 32,000 people in Fridley and they are of all � interest groups. He listed some of the activities that may interest the individual citizens as water sports, birds, golf, skating, softball, and other activities. He believed the City should create as diversified a recreational program as possible for all those in the City. ''"" i Dr. Holloway again stressed in the future the children may not be able to get out of the City for natural environmental study. He said the proposed system of operation would be an economically closed system and this would have a premium value. Councilman Breider asked Dr. Holloway if he had seen the other possible nature center sites in the City of Fridley. Dr. Holloway said the other areas do not have the diversity of the North Park site. He said North Park is a large square which c�ives the feeling of being enclosed in something. He said the other areas are linear and continuous in natural setting. Councilman Breider mentioned the possibility of establishing a nature enterpretation program or a compromise with the staffing of a naturalist out of North Park. Dr. liolioway,said North Park is unique and the features are not present in the other sites. He_thought Councilman. Breider's suggestion was an optomistic one. Councilman Breider stressed t�-� are no other sites in the City which would be suitable to a golf course and there are others which could be used as a nature center. Dr. Holloway again pointed out the uniqueness of North Park and its suitability as a nature center. He said it is a beautiful square and also a beautiful possibility for the Fridley community. Couniclman Starwalt said he thought there was a supermarket of nature center � activity in the area. Dr. Holloway said each of the individual centers is unique with many different types conditions. He said this area contains a prairie which is not found in many in many nature centers and with this specific environment, it is an educational tool. Councilman Starwalt asked if the North Park area had been cultivated years back. Dr. Holloway said he could not answer this question, he is an architect, but there were other� present who would be able to determine this fact. A member of the audience said some of the area had been cultivated years back. ' ' C � � � �I' � ' �� , ' � , r � ' � � � � ' � � ' � ' C L__1 � � r _ �__ SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 7 31 Councilman Starwalt said he thought the north area abutting Moore Lake could be used as a floating-bridge interpretation area. He said the techniques studied by the children at Woodlake Nature Center could also be studied in this area. He said he was referring to pushing rods into the mud and studying the life in the marsh area. He added there is a diversity of areas throughout the City which would lend to the natural environmental studies. Mr. Ross addressed the Council and said he resided on the east shore of Moore Lake and the majority of the area has been filled. He recalled the area was once beautiful and was enjoyed because of the natural setting and the ducks. He said now the area is.filled and grass had been planted to create a softball field. He said it is really not a park, it is only a piece of grass. Councilman Starwalt said there was a need for additional playgrounds in the area. Mr. Ross asked what had been sacrificed for this installation. He said the � educational aspects and the natural life of the areas have to be considered. Mr. Bill Hogan, addressed the Council and said he used the area for many years and there were many species of animals and vegatation. He added the area is worth saving for this reason. Professor Lawrence said there is so much thought yiven to the financing of the nature center through the tax payers. He said the Carver center was financed through private subscriptions which were obtdined by a finance committee. He said only ten subscribers were needed at $25,000 each and the committee received 12. He said the private subscriptions had taken care of the areas funding for three years, and now the County had taken over the maintenance of the center. i Mayor Liebl asked how many acres were in this center. Mr. Goodrich Lowry j amswered there was about 1,OU0 acres. Mr. Lowry said when he had visited the ' nature centers all over. the country, he was astonished that there are no two the same. He said some operate on $100,000 a year and some on $5,000. Some are heavily staffed and some work with only volunteers. He stressed the economics ; �f a nature center cannot be generalized. Councilman Breider questioned Dr. Trezona and his proposed time tab7e. He pointed out in the instances of the cr�ation of the nature centers being discussed that the citizens of those communities were in agreement on the establishment of the nature centers. He again pointed out that the City of Fridley is split and is facing a d�lemma on the proposed usage of North Park. He continued saying, iie had talked to people all over the City and has received mixed reactions, uut it appears that the majority of the citizens speculate that they favor a golf course. He said he did not think the Council would be reaching a decision on the matter at the present meeting and he could not see where they were presently accomplishing anything which has not been discussed before. . The Rev. Winston Worden said Carver Nature Center was not preserved early enough and it took thousands of dollars to bring the land back to the point that the City of Fridley has in North Park. He stressed North Park does not have to be brought back. He said those concerned with Carver thought it was a good idea to bring the land back, but ihe City of fridley has the good forture to have the land usable now. Mr. David Harris, 470 Rice Creek Blvd, addressed the Council and said he was a ; member of the City Council when North Park was acquired. He said he represented the : Council at the State of Minnesota when they were considering the funding of the i project. He stated h e was not present to argue 'the relative merits of�the property and he added, he had enjoyed the presentation made by the people from the Foundation. He said this type of presentation would make those present cognizant of many things i which they were not aware of. Mr. Harris listed those present who were interested ; in the golf course utilization of North Park and said�many people not present were also interested. He explained that the Chamber of Commerce had offered to do a study on the utilization of the area as a golf course and had many professionals and experts who had compiled information supportive to this course of action, and he i would like the same opportunity to address the Council with those experts. Dr. Trezona said the Foundation would like some time to come up with such a plan. He said there is some land south of the North Park area where it would be possible ; to install a golf caurse. He explained this to be a parcel with very few tree� and ; not with the same ecological impact as North Park. He said he was not against golf ! courses and would not speak against a golf course. � ' 32 SPECIAL MEETING OF JANUARY 15, 1974 PAGE 8 Councilman Starwalt said he thought the members of the Foundation are sincere and knowlegeable beyond belief. He said he appreciated the presentation and thanked all those who had contributed to it. Mr. Ken Sporre adressed the Coancil and requested the Council give the Foundation 90 days to come up with the funding. He said the Foundation cannot say they have the money at the present time and they could not get the funding until they had a firm plan on what was to be done. Mr. John Meyer said the cost of the construction of the golf course would concern him, this could be adverse. He said to say that a nature center would be a tax burden, this would be an overstatement. He said the nature center could .become a joint project with all the School Districts participating. He said the formula could be established as a per child situation to furnish a naturalist. He said this would have to be done under a specific formula. Mayor Liebl referred to the 1974 budget and said the City had pTaced one half a million dollars in the parks and recreation budget. He said this would provide facilities for people in all parts of the City plus an excellent staff and much equipment. Mayor Liebl further explained some people say not enough is spent and some say too much is spent, but the Counci7 had to know where and when to stop. He recalled at the meeting of the Council the previous evening, there was a problem caused for a property owner by a toddier park installation. He said whatever the City does, there is a price tag on it. He said the Council niust be frugal and responsible to the people. He said if the people_do not like the way the members of the Council say yes and no, they would be able to do something every three years at election time. Councilman Utter explained in the last two years the CIty had acquired a great deaT of park. He pointed out that just recently they had acqaired a park in the East River Road area and this had made the people of that area very happy. He explained he has received calls of thanks from children. Dr. Trezona said he would like the Council to consider the request of the Foundation and allow thein one to two months time. He said he would not want to think it was the tax load that had defeated the installation of the nature center. He thanked those who had attended the meeting. Mrs. Lee Ann Sporre addressed the Council and said she would like the members of the Council to take advantage of the knowledgeable people at the meeting. She continued, they are very technical and qualified to answer all the questions in the Brauer Report. She repeated they can amply answer all of the Council's questions. Mrs. Sporre asked the Council to take the time to review the matter with those of the Foundation to get a better feeling of what had been done at the present meeting. She said she realized there was no Santa Claus, but these people had done something that had not been done to this point. She said the foundation could get the answers and had the leadership to get the job done. Mayor Liebl thanked those present for attending the meeting and said they would hear from him and the Council. The meeting concluded at 10:50 p.m. (� , G� Respectfully submitted, Patricia Ellis Secretary to the City Council ate pprove Frank G. L•iebl, Mayor ' - _' ; � ' r: � �' I� J � �J i ., ' , , � � . �. . ' � � ' � , � � � IDLEY CIT COUNCIL EETING • FR Y M � _ � PLEASE SIGN NAME ADDRESS AND ITEM NUMBER INTERESTED IN � DATE:;___� ,;/S 7 ' / AME ADDRESS ITEM NUMBER ___ ______________________________________________________________ � ______________-_________-_� - -_����� ��-����.�,� � I /7 � ���.,��� �� � ��'� I � �,- 1 0 �� � 7�! � ���'��-��- .� �3� - %� kl� ��'� � °����� , /7 ✓ e ������ cv �� ._ G! _ /% -� . i .%�� " - L� i v- �v �-vt�' _/'� i �. � ' � � 3 � r�� /li �: ,�, 7 �7 �) i � /� ,_C e �/ ee l �' 2 (�� i rl ,� ..., CJ •(�? ��C�Gx-�r-�fc: 7 f�� � �-��'� 1 �i3 /����� r � /9 � � _ �, i � -�� �;,- C / -- ��9 ,��� C� . y�� , ,. . � � • S, �, ��e����s � � e �f� � L � ��� ,r�, ��, �. � ' . . , �� � ��r ' �! �� ,� r� ,FFtCERS Dr. Richard J. Trezona, Chairman �r. Ernest A. Petrangeto,Secretary r. William R. Pieper, 7reasurer • �,�, �IRECTQRS Mr. Ly{e Sradtey, Anoka-Hennepin pistrict 11 Science Chairman 'r. WalterJ. Breckenridge, Director Emeritus, Bell Museum of Natural Nistory rchiteet Dennis R. Holtoway, Project Ouroboros, University of Minnesota School of Architecture and l.andscape Architecture 1r. �onald B. Lawrence, Professor of Botany, University of Minnesota Dr. L. David Mech, Research Biologist, 'U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service Ir. John E. Meyer, Professional Consulting Engineer r. Mark G. Noble, Graduate Student, Botanist, University of Minnesota r. David D. Schaaf, State Senator, Minnesota District No.46 �rs. Janice R. Seeger, Member North Park AdHoc Committee r. Harrison B. 7ardoff, Director, Belt Museum of Natural History 'ev. Winston L. Worden, Eagle Scout and Environmentatist Mr. Jack P. Velin, International �Brotherhood of Teamsters EGAL ADVISOR �r. Donald C. Savetkoul ECORDING SECRETARY �rs. LeeAnn Sporre o affiliations shown are for identification only and do not constituxe endorsement. ' ' SPRINGBROOK NATURE CENTER FOUNDATION For concerned environmentalists - write to us at: Box 32323, Fridley, Minnesota 55432 January 10 , 1974 Mayor Frank G. Liebl 222 Mercury Drive Fridley, Minnesota 55432 Dear Mayor Liebl: The Springbrook Nature Center Foundation would like to thank you for providing an opportunity to meet with yau and the City Council to discuss a nature center on Narth Park . Our Foundation is a legal non-profit corporation drawn for the expressed purpose of researching and providing for a nature center on the Narth Park area, in Fridley. From data already available � such an endeavor is definitely indicated an� desicable for the people in the northern meiropolitan area . We are already compiling the details necessary for the Council to grant the Foundation an opportunity to create this truly unique and valuable nature center. 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