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THE MINUTES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MEETING OF THE FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL OF JULY 8, 1974
The Pu67ic Hearing meeting of the Fridley City Council of July 8, 1974 was called
to order at 7:35 P.M, by Mayor Liebl.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
Mayor Lieb7 led the Council and the audience in saying the Pledge of Alleg�ance to
the F1ag.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT
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ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
Counctlman Starwalt, Mayor Liebl, Counci]man Utter,
Councilman Nee, and Councilman Breider.
None.
Councilman Breider said if it is agreeable with the other members of the Council,
he would like to add discussion of formulating a policy statement in respect to
the City issuing Industrial Revenue Bonds.
Councilman Breider said he would like to add a communication received by himself
from Mayor Thomas Bradley, Los Angeles, California, President of the National League
of Cities concerning the appointment of himself to a commiitee. Mayor Liebi said
he had also received a letter of appointment from Mayor Bradley and would like to
add this to the agenda Communications section.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to adopt the agenda as amended with the aforementioned
additions. Seconded 6y Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor
Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
PUBLIC HEARING OF REASSESSMENT FOR STORM SEWER PORTION OF IMPROVEMENT PROJECT N0. 102•
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to waive the reading of the Public Hearing Notice.
Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unantmously and declared the Public Hearing opened
at 7:39 P.M.
Mayor Liebi called on the Assessor, Mr. Mervin Herrmann, to explain the reason
for the reassessment hearing. Mr. Herrmann explained it is required that the
hearing take place because of an error in reading the figures for one property last
year. He pointed out on the map pro,7ected on the screen how the error was made
by reading a figure of 799,900 square feet of area for a golf driving range rather
than the correct figure of 299,900 square feet. He said this error caused a reduced
rate per foot and everyone's assessment was lower than it should have been.
Councilman Breider asked if the first year's assessment had been sent out and when
the corrected amount would be respread. Mr. Herrmann said this would be spread
over the next 19 years and the original assessment was spread over 2D years.
Mr. Richard Harris, 6200 Riverview Terrace, asked what the additional assessments
� would be. Mayor Liebl said this would be an additional $.29 per 100 square feet
for properties in the area for the storm sewer main and a total of $3.59, and for
the storm sewer lateral the additional cost will be $.23 per 100 square feet for
a total of $3,18. He continued, for properties in both areas, it would add a
total of $.52 per t00 square feet or bring the total for the two costs up to
$6.77 as compared to $6.25 per 100 square feet.
Mr. Herrmann pointed out an exception in the areas covered by both assessments
explaining this portion of the improvement had not been completed at the present
time and would be assessed at an equal rate upon completion.
Mr. Richard Harris asked when this would be done. The City Manager said by the
middle of September and the Community �evelopment Administrator, Mr. Darrel Clark,
said the completion date is September 15. The City Manager said there had been
some difficulty in this area and the City is working with the Bonding Company
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to be sure the money is going to the contractors doing the work 7n Frid7ey.
Mr. Harris said some of the material being used in this pro,7ect is defective.
He mentioned that the valves were chipped on the conduit and they had not been
repaired. He continued stating when ihey are paying $3,000 per acre, the people
should be qetting a first class project, and not sett7e for cracked and chipped
valves. He stated with his past experience with Comstock and �avis, their inspect-
ion has not been up to the City's expectations. He used the 78th and 79th and
Main Street area as an example of this, and said there was a broken connector '
in the stop box, and a break in the line where the storm sewer was running into
the sanitary sewer which cost the City of Fridiey money which had to be paid to
the Metro 5ewer �istrict.
Mayor Liebl asked if the City Manager would prepare a report on this for the Council.
He added the City pays good money for this inspection and should get an outstanding
�ob. Mayor Liebl asked if there were any other problems concerning this project.
The City Manager said he had advised the Council when there was any trouble with the
contractor. Mayor Liebl asked if there were any problems from the engineering
standpoint. The City Manager said not to his knowledge.
Mayor Liebl asked if anyone in the audience or any member of the Council had any
more questions. He commented he could see from the illustration of the Assessor,
that this was possible to misread. He said he would like to apologize to the
people for this error. Mayor Liebl asked if everything was correct in the assess-
ment of this pro,7ect and Mr. Herrmann said yes.
Mr. James Bernstein, 763 N. 3rd Street, Minneapolis, addressed the Council and said
he is the owner of some property on Osborne Road and asked if this was part of this
pro,7ect and the Assessor said yes. Mr. Bernstein expressed the belief that he is
paying real estate taxes for more property than he has. He asked if this would
affect this assessment. Mr. Herrmann said the area had been measured by the
Engineering �epartment.
Mr. Bernstein explained that some time ago, the City had acquired some property ,
in this area and this is still on ihe tax rolls. Mayor Leibl said he would not
be assessed for the portion that the City owns. Mr. Herrmann said he would not
be assessed for the roadway area. Mr. Bernstein asked if this could he corrected
and Mr. Herrmann said yes.
Mayor Liebl asked if this could be clarified in a letter to Mr. Bernstein from the
Assessor and Mr. Herrmann said yes, he would check with the County Auditor. Council-
man Breider asked Mr. Herrmann if he could go through the calculation of the
assessment in this letter also.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to close the Public Hearing on Project #102 reassessment.
Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the mot�on carried unanimous7y and the Public Hearing closed at 7:52 P.M.
PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSAL THAT NATIONAL GUARD ARMORY BE LOCATED IN THE CITY OF FRIDLEY:
Mayor Liebl read the Public Hearing Notice and declared the Pub17c Hearing opened
at 7:54 P.M.
Mayor Liebl paged through the material furnished in the agenda and referred to the
minutes of the Public Hearing Meet�ng of the Planning Commission of May 8, 1974,
and said they contained many comments by the members of the Planning Commission,
individual citizens, and representatives of the various organizations in the City '
of Fridley. He also po�nted out there was a report from Mr. Robert Aldrich, Deputy
Fire Chief, Mr. Darrel Clark, Community Deve7opment Administrator, Mr. Paul Brown,
Director of Parks and Recreation, and Mr. Mervin Herrmann, Assessor concerning their
trip to the Hastings facility. Mayor Liebl said the Council was furnished with
ptctures of the Hastings Armory and cost figures that were included in the report
of this trip which was taken July 3, 1974.
Mayor Liebl called on Chester J. Moegle�n, The Adjutant General, Minnesota National
Guard. Mr. Moeglein addressed the Council and explained there would have to be
some lead time allowed for the Federal Government to provide the funds for this type
of project and he said this would 6e a period of five to six years. He explained
his proposal as a community Armory, not simply a structure, but a social unit which
would become a part of the structure of the corrmunity.
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Mr. Moeglein stated that the Administration had provided some facts and figures
and sizes which were based on the Federal, State, and City participation in a
bond of indebtedness.
Mayor Liebl asked what kind of a unit this would be and how many people would
be in the unit. Mr. Moegleiro explained that the Federal Government would indicate
what types of units are needed, and then there is a selection made from thts 7ist.
He explained this would presently be only in the planning stages. Mr. Moegle7n
' said the National Guard would like to place the armories where the people are and
this is currently tn the suburbs. Currently there is only one in the Minneapolis
— area and this is downtown Minneapolis. He further pointed out that there is almost
every kind of military unit in the state.
Mayor Lieb7 asked how many men would be in the unit. Mr. Moeglein said this could
range from 65 to 195, depending on the type of unit. He said if the community
is small, it would be possible to split the units, half from one community and half
from another. He said he did not think this would be desirable for the City of
Fridley.
Mayor Liebl asked the total cost of the facility and what share would be taken
care of by the various governmental groups. Mr. Moeglein said they had been
trying to determine this amount. He explatned that the most economical method
of satisfying the debt on the building would be within a period of from 2Q
to 24 years, which wou7d be considered the normal life of the bui7ding before there
would be extensive maintenance costs. He further pointed out that there is a limit
on the bond of inde6tedness at $2QO,Q00.
Mayor Liebl referred to the reports submitted to the Council and said this facility
could be used for Civic functions, recreational activities, meetings and banquets,
and emergency purposes. He asked how many people cou1d be served at the proposed
faci7ity. Mr. Moeglein said they could seat about 800 people, but would need add-
itional kitchen facilities for this type of capacity. Mr. Moeglein advised the Council
� that anything that is added on to the basic proposal would be at the cost of the
City. He said the Federal funding would not be in effect after a set number of
square feet.
Mayor Liebl asked if the facility was planned to accomodate 200 people and if the
City would desire additional capacity, this would be an added investment for the
City. Mr. Moeglein said this was correct and added, also if there is additional
equipment added, this would be the City's responsibtlity.
Mayor Liebl asked if tne City's financial committment would be for the period of
30 years. Mr. Moeglein said they would like to work this out for 24 years.
Mayor Liebl said he had received a letter from Governor Anderson in Novemher
of 1973, who requested that the Mayor and Counal of the City of Fridley seriously
look at this Armory proposal. Mayor Liebl said Governor Anderson had indicated
that a medical unit would like to locate in this area.
Mayor Liebl asked if there was State and Federal money for the installation of the
necessary improvements of the area such as water and streets. He further questioned
if the City could count on some help, or did the Federal money only cover the
cost of the building.
Mr. Moeglein answered this would only cover the building and the cost of running
the ut�lities from the huilding to the curb, seldon to exceed 200 feet for the
� Federal share,
Councilman Breider questioned the possi6ility of the construction of an Armory
with an addition to the facility such as expansion of the County Ice Arena. He
further questioned tf the Armory could contain another facility.
Mr. Moeglein said he would encourage this type of cooperation between groups.
He continued, he would encourage the placement of the building by another pu6lic
facility so the parking facilities could be shared. Councilman Breider asked if
the building could house additional space for the ice arena. Mr. Moeglein said he
did not know if this had been looked into in the past. Councilman Breider said if
this were done, the peripheral space could be used by both groups and he used the
locker area as an example. He continued stating he looked at the capital outlay
for one building, and if tax dollars could by used together this would be a savings
for the tax payer. Mr. Moeglein said thts had been done in the town of Tracy, they
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had added an auditorium, but the Federal funds �ust took care of the basic proposal
in square footage. He again said if there are any additions to the proposal,
this would have to 6e funded by the City.
Councilman Starwalt recalled Mr. Moeglein had said there would be from 65 to 195 people
in the u m t. He asked if there were any figures on the number of people tn units from
Frtdley that are going into other units at the present time. Mr. Moeglein stated he
would not have a figure on this. He said any figures available would be constantly
changing. He pointed out some people would like to beiong to a certain unit no matter �
how much travel is involved.
Councilman Starwalt pointed out that Fridley,is a town of approximately 33,000 people
and asked if there would 6y any clue to how many persons a town of this size would
have in their unit. He asked if this wou7d be in the area of 720. Mr. Moeglein said
Fridley would easily support a unit. He said St. Cloud is supporting three units
and this is all in one building.
Mr. Henry R. 5weet, Civil Air Patrol representative 588 W. Moore Lake Drtve addressed
the Council and said he was very much in favor of the construction of an Armory in
Fridley. He said this would provide a place for his unit to have their meetings.
He also pointed out tha� the bui7ding would 6e available to G7rl Scouts, Boy Scouts
and simi7ar non-profit organizations. He stated th�s would be an asset to the City.
He said this would bring more money to the merchants of the C7ty. He also pointed
out that the Civil Air Patrol could receive�training from the Guardsmen. He said
the City would have an emergency unit to call on.
Mayor Liebl asked if it would be possible for the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts to \
meet in the proposed building. Mr. Moeglein said this would be possible if there was
no conflict with the usage schedule. He pointed out that the space would not be
provided free of charge for all activities. He said the usage without charge wou7d
be for community meetings where there is no profit made and no cost to the Armory.
He pointed out for dances and shows, they wou7d have to charge a rental to defray the
cost of the operation of the building. He said this wouid cover the cost of the �
janitor being on duty and the lights, etc. He added, this all costs money. He ,
pointed out that there would be cooperation and many youth activities such as gun
safety programs could be conducted at the Armory.
Mr. Nick Garaffa, 6549 Anoka 5t. N, E., stated there is constant talk of the opportunities
of this type of proposal. He expressed concern over the continuing uprising in financial
responsibilities of the tax payers of Fridley. He mentioned the usage of the proposal
is said to be that of a medical unit, and the people are told that there would not be
any guns. He pointed out that there was an incident in Los Angeles where the Armory
was broken into and hand grenades were taken. He stated he would not want this to
happen in this area. He also mentioned the possibility of the use of the bui7ding
for alcoholic parties and said he thought there were enough of this type of facility
in the community already, Ne continued stating the building could be used for social
activities. He questioned if a gym where fifty people march around could be used for
any type of social activity such as a banquet. He thought the money could be better
spent for a youth center. He stated, this would promote the kind of community the
people want.
Mr. R. Dean Caldwell, 5874 Nackmann Avenue N. E., Fridley DFL Chairman, addressed
the Council and said at the last meeting of the Fridley DFL, the membership had received
a report from their emissary from the Planning Commission meeting, and they had passed
several resolutions that had been sent to the Council and received by the Fridley City
Council.
Mr. Caldwell continued they were concerned about the eventual cost of the City of �
Fridley and at the meeting their representative had attended, there was a great
deal of question on this point. He stated, this figure should be determined before
any positive action is taken on tha proposal, He further stated that the Fridley
DFL feels that the City of Frid7ey is a peaceful community and they would like to
keep it peaceful. He said there is a possibility that the placement of this type
of equipment may be detrimental to the community. Mr. Caldwell commented, he did
not know when the City had its 7ast civil disorder. He stated, frankTy, he did
not believe this belonged �n the City.
Mayor Liebl said at the present time, there is no civil disorder, but he thought
in case of a flood or �n the case of another tornado such as the 1965 tornado, the
National Guard would be needed. He said in 1965 the City was fortunate to have Mr,
Bill Wong, Fires�de Rice Bowl, open his facility for use. He believed this Armory
would be good for the community in case of this type of disaster.
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Mr. Richard Young 5695 Quincy Street N. E., said the facility could be used for the
firearm safety program. He added, currently they are transporting the young people
to Anoka for this.
Mr. Moegle�n said a part of this facility, the garage, could be used for such a
program. He added, the facility may only handle 22 caliber guns.
� Mr. Young asked if the facility would have any henefit to the Police Department.
Mr. Darrel Clark, Community Development Administrator, said in the informatton received
- from Col. John W. Hohncke, Mtlitary Architect and Engineer, the specifications had
been changed and would withstand a high powered caliber.
Mr. Dennis Schneider, 6190 Stinson Blvd. N. E., addressed the Council and asked the
Council how a facility like this would be avai7able to the City. Mr. Moeglein
answered that the guard train�ng would involve one weekend per month, the balance
of the time, the facility would be availabie for general use.
Councilman Utter presented Mr. Schneider a proposed schedule of rental fees for the
proposed Armory.
Mr. Schneider said the rental would range from $15 to $90 depending on the type of
use. He asked if the actual building cosis would be paid by the City of Fridley.
Mr. Moeglein said this total amount had not been pinpointed, but the Hastings Armory
could be used as an example of the percentages of payment. He said the State and
local City funding in this case totaled $137,000. He explained the building would
be bui7t by the Armory Building Commission who would float the bonds. He further
explained that he as Ad�utant General would lease the building for one weekend a
month which would not exceed $5,000.
Mr. William Scott, 1632 69th Avenue N. E., addressed the Council stating he was a
retired soldier and indicated he spoke against the Armory. Mr. Scott sa�� he
, believed this would be a threat against the community and a military encroachment.
He also stated he thought this would be a target for radical elements tn our
community whether there was storage of m�litary equipment or not. He said he
believed' in 1965 the Police from the local community responded much faster than any
other element in the community and they were supplimented by the Guard at a later
time. He pointed out at the time of the 1965 tornado, the Columbia arena was not
availab7e for use, it was not there. 'Mr. Scott further commented, he was scared
of the mi�itary and this is why he had got out, and he did not want it back.
Councilman L'tter said he had received a call from Anoka County Commissioner, Mr.
Mike 0'Bannon, who indicated he thought the Armory would be an asset to the community.
He indicated if there is ever a need for this land to be defended, the people should not
always depend on those in another area to do it. He said when the time comes to
protect the citizens, Fridley should not depend on a unit from Minneapo7is to come out
and help them. Councilman Utter said he thought the Armory could 6e useful to the
City and also an advantage to the City.
Mr. Ed Wi7mes, 6350 Riverview Terrace, stated at the recent Flag dedication ceremony,
the Mayor was present. He indicated the only way to get something done would be
by getting involved and parttcipating.
Mr. Kenneth Sporre, 301 Ironton St. N. E., questioned the cost factor at Hastings.
He asked if the 5tate and City responsibility would be $131,000 and asked if this
would be a 50/50 split. Mr. Clark, Community Development Administrator said this
� had been 60/40 in Hastings. Mr. Sporre further questioned who provided the land.
Mr. Moeglein stated the community would donate the land. Mr. Sporre said then, this
could be added to the cost factor of the City.
Mr. Sporre asked how many commum ties in the seven county metro area had been approached
with this type of proposal for an Armory, and how many favor the proposal. Mr. Moeglein
said Bloomtngton is very interested in the proposal, he added, two communities did
not have the land available, and could not construct one.
Mr. Sporre asked if any other sites than the one by the Ice Arena had been discussed.
Mr. Clark sa�d there are two other alternative siies, one on Rice Creek Road
east of Old Central next to the 7-11 Store where there are ihree tax forfeit lots
the City has acquired. He explained these lots are large lots or about 375 by 300
feet each.
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Mrs. Shirley Caldwell asked if the Rice Creek site were used, where would the
parking be. Mr. Clark said ��vould be difficult to determine the amount of people
that would be using the building, he did not believe the area wouid take 800 cars.
Mrs. Caldwell asked if the area in the Locke Park area would he an encroachment on
the park property. Mr. Clark said the area would be between the Columbia Arena and
the City garage and not in any part of Locke Park.
Mrs. Caldwell questioned if Mr. Moeglein's office would change managers, would there �
be a procedural change. She further questioned if the point of the City ownership
be changed, or would there be some change in the City having any say about this
charge. Mr. Moeglein said the rental charges in al7 of the Armorys in the State
are the same.
Mrs. Lee Ann Sporre questioned how the Council would make the decision. She asked
if the Environmental Quality Commission would have any input on where this Armory
would be. She added, to this point in time, they had not been asked.
Mr. Dennis Schneider asked what interest, if any, is�there by New Brighton on the
proposal that an Armory be located in that City.
Mr. Moeglein said he had not made contact with the people at New Brighton, so he
was not able to say. He said at this time, the Armory representative had only met
with the Planning Commission and he did not know the outcome of the meeting.
Mr. Peter Truenfels, 5248 Horizon Drive, said he was glad that the Counci7 was
having the Public Hearing �n which the costs could be discussed. He questioned the
arrangement of payment of the Hastings Armory for the payment of the $131,000.
Mr. Moegle�n stated the $131,000 was paid by the Community and the State over a
period of eight years, He also potnted out that the City was ab7e to sell the old
building in the amount of $60,000 which contributed to the price of the new construction'
Mr. Truenfels said this did not tell the people much about what it would cost the
people of the City af Fridley.
Mr. Moeglein said it would be difficult to nail down a figure.
Mr. Truenfels asked if any other community had bui7t an Armory that did not have
a buiiding to sell, perhaps thls would be a better indication of the cost.
Mayor Liebl stated he thought it would cost $9,000 a year for the period of 3D
years. Mr. Truenfels asked if the total would be $270,000.
Mr. Clark explained the only change that would take place in Hastings is that
they sold the building, they were only under an eight year mortgage rather than
a 30 year mortgage. He said there would be some addition for inflation.
Mayor Liebl said they would not want to put an Armory in a residential area. He
further stated there would have to be adequate parking facilities.
Mr. Moeglein said the State contribution would not only be the $5,000, the cost
of maintenance per year would be in the area of from $12,000 to $14,000.
Ms. Joan McLaughlin, 728 63rd Avenue N. E, thought there was more to heing patriotic
than the consiruct�on of a mi7itary Armory. She added this would be just as effective
to establish a natural area or a teen center. ,
Councilman Nee questioned the geographic draw of such an Armory if it was located
in Fridley. He asked if this would involve young people from Coon Rapids and Blaine.
Mr. Moeglein said yes and also New Brighton,
Councilman Nee asked what the contribution to the Community would be, Mr. Moeg7ein
said it would provided many social activities. He said this would be an active part of
the community w�th additional income being spent in the City. He pointed out that the
Guardsmen draw more income at the present time and there are also more people going on
to higher education through their plan. He said it would also provide facilities for
safe gun handling. He said this could be used as a community center and be an active
installation.
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M�ayor Liebl asiced Mr. Moeglein wnen he woul� like to have an answer on this
praposal. hlr. Nioegleln said he would hesitate to put a deadline cn the decision.
He said unless he had the information by the last quarter of this year, they
would not be able to get any of the information for the planning process. He
explained their construction list would have to be established far priorities
and submitted to the Federal Government. '�layor L�ebl asked if they would like
to have a decis�on by October. Mr. Moeglein said yes.
MOiIi�PJ by Councilman Utter to close the Public Hearirg on the Armary Prcposal.
Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unaninwusly and the Public Hearinq closed at
9:2i P.P1.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to wa�ve the reading of the Public Hearing Natice.
Seconded by Cauncilman L'tter. Upon a voice vote, all vating aye, Mayor LiebS
declared the mot�on carried unanimously and the Public Hearing opened at 9�22 P.M.
Mr. �arrel Clark, Community Development Admim strator, pointed out the area
in question on the map on the screen. He explained this to be an unusually
wide drai�age and utility easement stating they are l0 feet wide �n most CdSES.
He further explained the man had come to get a building permit and was told
that this could not be done until the easerient had 6een vacated. He said Mr.
Stixrud requested to build a garage five feet from the lot line. Mr. Clark
said the Admi m stration recommendation wou3c� be to reduce the width of the
easement from the 30 feet which would kould create a 10 foot easement and
allow the construction of the yarage c7oser to the lot line.
Mayor Liebl said the City had received a letter from NSP and also from North-
��estern Bell Ielephone Company statiny they hac� no ob,7ections i:o ihe vacatiori
ar reduction of the portton of the easement.
-TFie Ward Councilman, Mlr. Starwalt, aid he had no ob,7ections �o the vacation
of the portion of the easement. He said the wide easemen� had beeri for the
earlier alley concept, but had been done away with.
MU7IUN by Councilman Utter to cicse the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
Nee. Upon a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion
carried unanimously and the Public Hearing on Vacation Request #74-02, closed
at 9:25 P.M.
Mr. Clark requested that the Council take action to issue a building permit
to the applicant. He said if the legal amountcf time is allowed fur the
first and second readings of the ordinance and publicatiun of the urdsnarce, this
would take up to f rde weeks to complete the pracess. He expla�ned if this action
authorized at the present time, the man could begin constructior�.
MOI�IUN by Councilman Starwal� to adopt the F�rst Re�d�rig of tlie ordinance for
the vacation request by Mr. Robert Sttxrud to vacate the east and west 10 ��et
of a drainare and utility easement between 58th and 59th Avenues and between
7th Street' and �efferson Street. Seconded by Councilrnan Utter. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the matzon carr�ed u��animously and
the easement vacated as specified.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to grant the building permit to Mr. Robert Stixrud
for the construction of the gara9e. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a
vaice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declarea the motion carried unanimcusly.
Mr. Clark said there would be no recomraendec� stipula�tons for this request.
Gouncilman Star�aalt asked if this is the only huildiny ,�ermi� that �s reyuesi,ed
at this time. Mr. Clark said this is the only reyuest.
PUBLTG NEARIfVG Ohl A FINAL PLAT, F'.
SUBDIVISION #12� GEi`IERALLY LOCATEr.
OF L�TS 30 AN� 31, AUDITOR'S
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MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to waive the reading of the Public Hearing Notice and
open the Public Hear�ng. Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor L�ebl declared the motion carried unanimously and the Public Hearing opened
at 9:29 A.M.
Mr. Clark explained that this final plat was be�ng filed by Mr. Jim Lund between
73rd and Onondaga. He said the matter had been before the Plats and Subdivisions
comm�ttee and also the Plam m �g Commission.
Mayor Liebl read the five stipulations recommended by the Planning Commission. �
Mr. Clark referred to the portion of the propsed plat which would be constructed
as 732 Avenue. He said he felt the City should outline to the applicant the cost of
acquiring the portion of property to construct the street straight at the present
t�me as opposed to the constructlon some time in the future. Mayor Liebl asked
if it would require additional costs to put the street in as shown on the proposed
plat. Mr. Clark said it would be less costly to put the street in straight now
rather then some time in the future.
Coucilman Starwalt questioned the setbacks in this area and asked if the proposed
constructions should be set back an equal distance. Mr. Clark said the structures
are setback quite a way and the constructions should be set to align with the
other properties, this is covered by another ordinance and Mr. Lund is aware of this
ordinance and how it reads.
Mr. Clark outiined the cost of the construction of the utiiities in the area
and stated there would be additional cost if the street were created or installed
on a temporary basis at the present time and aligned some time in the future.
Councilman Utter expressed the feelin9 that the ad�acent property owner should
be talked to at the present time for acquisition of the property rather than some
time in the future. Mr. Clark sa�d before the City would order the improvement
or if Mr. Lund should install such improvements, this property should be acquired.
Mr. Lund agreed saying he thought he should try to acquire the little section of '
land in the corner to enable him to construct a straight roadway at the present time.
Mayor Liebl explained it is not a policy of the Council to act on a proposal at the
time of the Publ�c Hearin9.
Mr. Lund sa�d he had talked to the property owner two to three times and he did not
want to dedicate the area because he has a garden in this area. He thought it would
be better to acquire the little piece of property and ded�cate it with the plat.
Councilman Starwalt sa�d Mr. Lund had been very unsuccessful in acquiring the small
piece of land, but he was �ailling to try again. Mr. Lund agreed.
Counc�lman Starwalt said he thought Mr. Lund should try again and if he is not
successful, he could come to the City for help. Mr. Clark said it would be possible
to add the stipulation that if this is not acquired by Mr. Lund, the City would take
action to acquire the property through condemnation.
Mayor Liebl said he would like Mr. Lund to attempt to acquire the land before this
means is used
Mr.Lund questioned the installation of the underground wiring as a stipulation on the
acceptance of the plat. He further explained from the people he had talked to, about
half of them favor thts type of installation and half are opposed. Mayor Liebl asked �
how many houses would be constructed in the plat and Mr. Lund replied there would be
20.
Mayor L�ebl asked the price range of the proposed homes t� be constructed �n the
plat and Mr. Lund said from �35,OOD to $40,000. Mayor Liebl expressed the belief
that this should be done with the installation of the underground utilities.
Mr. Lund asked if it would be possible to leave this consideration up to him after
he had talked to the prospective buyers of the property. Mayor Liebl again expressed
the thought that this would be an asset to the area and there would not have to
be the �nstallation of utility poles in the yards of the future home owners. Mayor
Liebl further pointed out that the City of Minneapolis is trying to eliminate as
many poles as possible �n the new construction.
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Counc�lman Breider recalled when he first looked at the property in light of
development and it had taken many hours +o keep the property res�dential. He
questioned if the Council should get hung up over the underground wiring. Mr.
Clark recal7ed it had been George Nelson who had asked the property be rezoned.
Mr. Lund said the installation of the underground electrical service would cost
the property owners $2 per month for the remainder of the time they reside at the
property. He sa�d some people felt this was quite high. Mayor Liebl said the
developer should be interested in the bu�lding of a good community
Mr. Clark questioned if there had been a policy change in th�s procedure where there
is an installation charge and no monthly charge. Mayor L1eol agreed w�th this
siazement.
Councilman Breider asked if ihere was less expensive maintenance �n the underground
ut�lizies rather ihan tne overhead. Mr. Clark sa�d he had asked this question of
Mr.6�nson of Northern States Power Company and he had �ndicated that it is more
expensive to maintain the service underground than overhead. lie continued to explain
if the overhead wire is damaged, it is possible to see where, and with the underground,
this takes some work to determine the area of the prot>lem. He also pointed out that
anyone could cut the w�res when installing poles for such thin9s as bird feeders
or fencing.
Councilman Starwalt said he agreed with the remarks of Cauncilman Breider that the
Council should not get hung up on tne installat�on of the underground utilities.
Councilman Starwalt suggested delet�ng the second stipulation that the underground
wiring should be prov�ded. P1ayor Liebl satd the stipulatien should read that the
underground wiring should be provided unless there is suffic�ent reason nnt to.
Mayor Liebl said he would be able to stgn the plat the following week after the
Council approval if it would be possible for Mr. Lund to acquire the additional
rtgnt of way in the meantime.
Mr. Lund said tf this is done, he may make the two lots in this area a little larger.
MOTIOiV by Councilm�n Starwlat to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
unan�mously and the Public Hearing closed at 9:50 P M.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to waive the reading of the Public Hearing Notice.
Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously and the Public Hearing opened at 9.55 P.M.
Mayor Liebl referred to the letter to the City Manager form the Community Development
Adm�niszrator, Darrel Clark. He read the letter to the members of the Council and
audience. Mayor Liebl asKed Mr. Clark if he thought this wou1d be a workable solution
and example to the community. Mr. Clark answered yes, he thought it would.
MOT1�N b,�,i Councilman Utter to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt.
Upon a vo�ce vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimouslu
and the Public Hearing closed at 9 56 P.M.
PUBLiC HEARIIVG OIV VACATIOfV
Y OF
MOTIOfv by Councilman iVee to waive the reacling of the Public Hearing Notice. Seconded
by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, Mayro Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously and the Public Hearing opened at 9:57 P.M.
Mr. Clark pointed the area out on the map on page 6-D of the Council agenda. Mr.
Clark explained that the C�ty is about to purchase lots four and five and the petitioner
would own Lots 1, 2, and 3. He said the proposed action would straighten the lot
line of lot 3. He furtner potnted out that this would create a 80 foot by 159.99 foot
lot. The Planning Commission had recommended approval of the request and this would
allow the lot lines on Lot 3 to be parallel. Mr. Clark further recalled that the Council
had authorized the City Attorney to draw up a purchase agreement with a portion of ihe
payment paid at the present time and the remainder of the monies due to the applicant
on the first of January 1975.
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Councilman Utter asked who would write the legal descript�on for this property.
The C�ty Nttorney said he and Mr. Clark had discussed this and the description
was being formulated. He said the papers are drawn and they were waiting for Council
approval of the vacation of the easement.
Mr. Clark asked the Council if in this instance the fees would be waived as recomm-
ended 6y the Plamm �g Gommission
Mayor L�ebl suggested the area be laid out as indicated on page 6-E of the Council
agenda. He indicated he was pleased with this plan.
Mr. Clark expla�ned if there were to be homes built in the area, it would be necessary
to lay out the lots as they originally are at an angle. He said now the lots
would be 80 feet wide. He further explained there is about a ten foot exchange of
property from the front to the back to make the property parallel and rectangular
shaped.
MOTION by Counc�lman Utter to close the Public Hearing on the vacation request by
Florence Swanson Seconded by Counc�lman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously and the Public Hearing closed
at 1D:00 P.M.
(IVOTE: The following item appeared later on the agenda, but was moved up because
of the number of people present for this consideration.)
ING PETITION #12-1974, REQUESTING AN EFFECTIVE SYSTEM FOR SPEED CONTROL OF
MOTION by Councilman Starwlat to receive Petition #12-1974, requesting an effective
system for speed control of vehicular traffic on streets of North Innsbruck established
at the earliest possible time. Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried una m mously.
Mayor Liebl referred to the map of the area in the agenda and said th�s map indicated
the add�t�oncf five 30 mile per hour signs to be installed. He said this proposal
was drafted by the Engineering Staff. Mayor Liebl asked Mr.C7ark if he felt this
would be effective in slowing down the traffic. Mr.Clark said he had not discussed
this petition with the staff. He pointed out that Mr. Sobiech had been working
on this matter and talked to the City Manager on the proposals.
Councilman Siarwalt said in he last memo the traffic count of the area, it said
this additional signing was not warranted. (:ouncilman Starwalt said he felt the
proposal of the Engineering Staff is appropriate at this time. He said there is a
b�g problem on Matterhorn �rive. He recalled a year ago it was not possible to
get a school bus in the area because there was no improvements, now there is a severe
traffic problem in the area. He mentioned with future construction of homes in the
area, the problems will be increasing. Councilman Starwalt said where the 30 mile
per hour signs have been installed, this has helped to some degree.
Councilman Starwalt commented if the traffic were to be stopped on Matterhorn Drive,
a three way stop would be needed. He did not believe a stop sign on the bridge would
be the answer.
The City Manager explained he would like the stop signs to be a deterrant, not some-
thing that would make the traffic conditions worse. The City Manager continued
stat�ng he would discoura9e a stop sign next to the bridge, because of the clearance
problem. He said he would recommend the installation of the proposed three way
stop sign and after this the s�tuat�on could be watched and tif more s�gns are needed
they could be installed when warranted. He stated the three waq would certainly
help the traffic situat�on on Matterhorn Drive. He stated the police protection
would be �ncreased and if more signs are needed in the future, they would be prov�ded.
Councilman Utter asked the possibil�ty of putting a four way stop at Danube Road in
the area of the Park. He stated there are many children walking and riding bikes
in the area Councilman Starwalt agreed saying this area is susceptible to zooming
traff�c in all directions.
Mayor liebl sa�d if the stop signs are �nstalled, �his would give the Police something
to go by. He adued, there has to be something there to enforce the law. He said if
the proposed signs do not eliminate the problems, there would be more added.
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Councilman Starwalt said the people are obeytng the s��ns on the lateral streetr.
He cont�nued tt is the motorcycles in the area that cause the ma�ority of the
problems.
Councilman Starwalt again proposed that the three way sto� be installed on Innsbruck
North Drive and Matterhorn Drive with the addition of the pro�osed 30 rmle Fer hour
signs.
' The C�ty Manager said the installat�on of the signs on East Danu6e Drive and North
InnsEruck Drive could be within the second phase of the plan if this is nee�ed.
He said this would only allow the people to go one half a�lock
A res�dent of the area pointed out that North Innsbruck Drive goes straight to
S�lver Lake Road.
MOTI�P� by Councilman Starwalt to supFort the recommEndaiion af t�e A�ministr�ti�n
with the additional 30 mile per hour signs, and the increased emphasis on Police
enforcement of the area, and that three way stop signs be installed on North Innsbruck
Drive and Matterhorn Drive and that a four way sto� be created on Fast Danube
Road and Innsbruck North, and also that all crossings 6e painted if necessary.
Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a v��ce vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
(Note: At this time the Council returned to the agend� at i:em number seven, where
they had left off.)
PUBLIC HEARING ON FINAL PLAT P. 5. �74-04, INNSBRUCK fJORTH TOWNFIOUSES REPLAT SFCOND
MOTION by Gouncilman Utter to waive the reading of the Pub1ic Hear�ng Notice.
Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Ma�ror I�eUI declared
� the motion carried unanimously, and the Public Hearing opened at 10:35 P.M.
The City hlanager said this requested action is what the Planning Commiss�on h��
recommended be approved. He explained that the applicant had originally reque5ted
lot splits, and the City had suggested that this area be replatted and they had
concurred with this request. He explained tl7is action would �us± adjust some lot
ltnes.
Mayor Lie61 asked if there was anyone present opposed to the proposed replat and
there was no res��orose.
h10TI0N by Councilman Starwalt to close the Public Hearing. Seconde�l by Councilman
Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl �eclare d the mot�on carried
unanimously and the Public Hearing closed at 10:36 P.M.
The City Manager advised the Council that it was the Administration rer_ommendation
that a ditch and some banks be created in the sroutheast area of the property �o
curtail the flow of water. He explained the Administration had 6een in contact
with Mr.l�litiey and he agreed to these conditions wh�ch would be on the bu�lding
permit when it is issued.
� Mayor L�ebl asked if something could be worked out to take care of the drainage
problems in this area. Mr. Clark said th�s could be done.
Counc�lman Starwalt said before any decision on the matter is made he would like
some understanding on the type of ditch that was being talked about in this case.
He asked if they wer2 talking about a�itch with flowing water, or would this
be a gentle swale. h1r. Clark explained tnat this terminology sho�ald read a gentle
swale.
Mr. G. Craig Willey addressed the Counc�l and said he had talked to Mr. Clyde
i�oravetz, Senior Engineering Aide, and also Mr. QuresM , trie City Manager, and the
terms agreed upon by the City and himself ineet with the requests of Mr. Johnson,
abutting property owner.
Councilman Starwalt said w�th the understanding that there will be cooperation between
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Mr. Willey and the other property owners in the area he would favor granting the
variance.
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to grant the variance for the front yard setback from
35 feet to 19 feet as requested by Mr. G. Craig Willey, 5928 Woody Lane N. E., with
the stipulation that a swale and some banks by installed to protect the abutting
property owners from drainage problems. Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to waive the reading of the Public Hearing Notice and
open the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously and the Public
Hearing opened at 9:20 P.M.
Mayor Liebl asked if there was anyone present who opposed the variance and there
was no response.
MOTIOIV by Councilman Nee to close the Public Hearing. Seconded by Councilman
Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
unanimously and the Public Hearing closed at 9:21 P.M.
Councilman Nee said he had visited the area and talked to the other property owners
and felt they had no real opposition to the approval of the variance, but he would
determine that they may not have wanted to express this type of feeling. Councilman
Nee indicated he felt it would be more satisfactory with the adjoining property
owners if the garage were pulled 6ack a little. He suggested the variance be
9ranted for 20 feet rather than the 18 feet requested hy the applicant. He asked
�f Mr. Rooack his feelings on this proposal.
Mr. Roback addressed the Council and said he would rather leave the plans for
construct�on at the 18 foot setback line, but if he had to move the garage back
he would.
Councilman Nee explained he felt that this construction would be better received
by the neighbors this way. He said he felt the people did not want to say no to the
plan, but he thought they would oppose the larger variance.
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MOTION by Councilman Nee to 9rant the variance request by Mr. Michael Roback at
5465 Altura Road for a front yard setback of 20 feet rather than the 18 feet as requested.
Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, P4ayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
IDERATION OF A REOUEST TO CONSTRUCT A
A PRESENT GARAGE
The City Manager reiterated that there was some concern about the construction of
this large of an ad�ition which would be used for the purposes of paint storage.
H� further explained that the request had been tabled for the gathering of additional
information.
Mr. Llark sa�d he had been �n contact with the applicant who had indicated the
paint he planned to store would be latex paint and this would not create the hazard
as enamel would.
Councilman Utter said this kind of statement could be made today and later the property �
owner would store the oil base paints. He said there would have to be storage of some
solvents.
h1r. Clark said the petitioner had talked to Mr. Aldrich, Deputy Fire Chief, who
had advised the applicant on what preventative measures would have to be taken
to make this storage safe. Mr Clark further explained that the construction
would have to contain some fire walls and if Mr. Aldrich would feel that the fire
walls are needed all the way around the construction, this would have to be done.
He added, if lacquer is being stored, there would have to be the installation of a
paint cabinet.
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Councilman Utter asked if there had been some notice sent to the area property
owners. Mr. Clark said the not�ce had been sent. He explained the reason this
had been 6rought before the Council was because the addition woad create a garage
which would be bigger than the house of the applicant. He said this would not be a
home occupation, �ust storage. Mr. Clark said the applicant is currently s}oring
paint in the existing garage and leaving his truck outside. The plans would
allow for the use of the garage for truck storage and also the storage of the
paint.
Councilman Breider said he agreed with the comments made by Mr. Clark in that
water base paint �s the thing of the day. He sa�d there is not much oil 6ase
paint ava�lable. Councilman Breider said when his company has ordered oil base
patnt, they could not get delivery on it.
Mayor Liebl asked if the approval of this request would set a precedent.
The City Nttorney said
He said if none of the
to deny the request.
the approval would have a substant�al effect of the garage.
neighbors ob�ect, there would be no reason for the Counc�l
Councilrnan Breider asked the amount of paint the applicant planned on storing
in the garage. Mr. Clark sa�d he could not answer this question the applicant
had talked to Mr. Aldr�ch. Mr. Clark said he would assume he planned to store
a large amount of paint.
Tne City Attorney stated there are regulations in the State Building Co�e which would
control the regulations of such storage. Mr. Clark said these regulations would
be covered in the National Fire Prevention Code and there are some suggested
stipulations which wauld comply with this Fire Prevention Code.
MUTION by Councilman Breider to approve the request to consiruct the 24 foot
' by 24 foot addition to the existing garage at 250 67th Avenue N. E, by Mr.
Thomas Eilers, with the stipulation that the regulations of the Fire Prevention
Code be followed and indicating that this will not set a precedent. Seconded by
Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carr�ed unanimously.
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CONSIDERATIOid OF REAPPROVAL OF VARIANCES TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCT
JULY
MOTION by Councilman Utter to take the matter of the reapprova7 of the variances
to allow the construction of a semi-underground garage at 5851 West Moore Lake Drive
by Rowland Jacobsen from table. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unan�mously.
Mayor Liebl satd he had visited the area and had taken Commissioner Cisar with hinz on
the visit. He recalled the variance had been granted in 1970 when Mr. Jack Kirkham was
Mayor, and he was a member of the Council. He said in his ,7udgement, if Mr. Jacobsen
does what he says, which would cost thousands of dollars to put up a proper retaining
wall and this is a part of the stipulation, the City could issue the building permit.
Mayor Lie67 recalled that the adjacent property owner at the time of the first approval
was Mrs, Holan and she had no ob,7ections to grantin9 the variance, and the m�nutes of
the Council meeting will verify this statement. Mayor Liebl addressed the app7icant
and said he would have to comply with the requirements of the City if this variance
request were to be approved.
Mr. Jacobsen addressed the Council and said he would like to comply with the stipulations
of the Council. He said tf there were some new stipulations, they would go a7ong with
the City.
Mr. Roger Jorgenson, 5841 West Moore Lake Drive addressed the Counci7 and said he
had moved to the area in July of 1971, and was not aware of the variance for the
garage on the adjacent property at the time of the sale of the home. He added, he
had found this out at a much later date. Mr. Jorgenson indicated he knew there may
be a garage built, but he did not know there was a variance in the building of the
garage.
Mayor Liebl again recalled that the variance had been granted previously and had
been approved by the Council. He said at the time because of personal circumstances,
it was impossible for the property owner to build the garage at that time. He added,
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now the property owner wants to hire a contractor and spend $7,OD0 on this construction
tc com�ly with the building code and the stipulations of the City of Fridley. Mayor
Leibl said the property owner would waive the City's responsibility for the drainage
problems in the area. Mayor Liebl said he could noi see why the Council could deny
the request.
The City Attorney advised the Council that the waiver of setback is like the building
permit �n that it would have to be acted on in a certain amount of time. He used
the example that if a property owner was granted approval of some waiver ten years '
ago and wanted to go ahead with the plans at this time, it would be appropriate for
the Council to reconsider the request. He said it would be the Council's prerogative
to approve or deny the request.
Mayor Liebl said when the property was for sale by Mrs. Holan, she told the realtor
there would be a garage buiii and the realtor told Mr. �orgenson. Mayor Liebl said he
was told, but not before the sale of the property.
Mr. Jorgenson said this statement was correct.
Councilman Starwalt asked Mr. Jorgenson when he became aware that there was some
variance consideration for the garage construction on the property adjacent to his
hoem. Mr. Jorgenson said a couple of months after he moved into the home.
Councilman Starwalt further questioned if there was anything to this effect in the
purchase agreement of the house. Mr. Jorgenson replied, definitely not. Mr. Jorgenson
said he recalled Mrs. Holan said there would be a garage, hut he did not recall there
was anything about a variance being granted.
Mr. C7ark, Community Development Administrator, informed the Council that they are
considering two variances, noi just the one they had been talking about. He advised
them that they were also talking about a variance in the front yard setback.
Counc�lman Starwalt mentioned the request for the front yard variance which would '
allow the construct�on to project closer to the street than any other house in the
area.
Mr. Jacobsen said the protrusion would not be so much that everyone wil7 notice.
He said it would only be seen by one neighbor, Mr. Jorgenson. He said the houses
facing his home would not be able to tell that it is closer. He questioned if anyone
could drive down the street and notice the three foot variance.
Councilman Breider said one matter that would concern him is that if the home were
advertised as having future expansion space, there would be prob]ems with the future
property owners believing that the entire garage top area could be used. He said
they cou7d not see adding without adding all the way out to the end of the present
construction. He said this situation is something that would have to be explained
to the future owner of the property. He said it would limit any expansion to from
ten feet from the property line. Councilman Breider said normally, the Counci7
would not grant any variance that would infringe on the bedroom area of an adjacent
home owner. Counci7man Breider again expressed concern about the construction of
expansion on the top of the garage. He questioned if a person would construct an
addition on the area without consulting the City, would the City te71 him to tear
it down?
Mr. Jacobsen said he was not planning on selling the property soon. He said he
planned to make a$7,000 investment to improve the property. He sa�d he could not
understand the feeling of the Council that they would not want a citizen to improve
his property because his neighbor objects. He stated if the neighbor did not like �
his proposed addition, he could close off his windaw.
Councilman Utter said he was in the area and looked at the site in respect to the
proposal. He said he did not think this would look bad. He mentioned he had not
talked to the appTicant when he visited the area.
Counci]man Starwalt said he had felt there would be no pro6lem until he had found
out that the letter of agreement had heen signed by a former property owner. He
said there are no other bu7ld�ngs project�ng this far toward the street. He sa9d
he is not against progress, he was only looking for some kind of harmony.
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt that reapproval of the request for the variance to
construct a garage by Rowland Jacobson be denied.
MAYOR LIEBL �ECLARED THE MOTION �EAD FOR LACK OF A SECOND.
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Councilman Utter referred to the variance in the front yard set6ack and asked if this
would be 32 feet from the front lot line. Mr. Clark said yes, there would be an
additional five or six feet from the cur6ing for right of way.
Councilman Utter asked if it would be possi6le to build some sort of stoop so this
would not infringe on the neighbor. Mr. Jacobsen gave a brief explanation of the
construction which would use spancrete.
Councilman Utter further questioned if there could be some sort of overhang rather
than allowing the variance for the front yard setback to take care of the steps in
front. Mr. Jacobsen explained that this wou7d not be possible.
Councilman Utter said there would be a great deal of cost involved in the construction
of retaining walls.
Councilman Nee asked if it would be possible to add some iron to the construction to
eliminate the double wall construction. Mr. Richard Harris, 6200 Riverview Terrace,
addressed the Council and said it would 6e possible to install a couple of steel
beams for support, this had been done hundreds of times.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to approve the variance as requested by Mr. Rowland Jacobsen
to allow the construction of a semi-underground garage at 5851 West Moore Lake Drive
with the following stipulations:
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That a proper retaining wall be constructed to protect this property and also
the property of the abutting property owner.
That some type of rail or fencing be installed at the top of the retaining
wall.
3. That an agreement be signed by Mr. Jacobsen stating that he will not hold
the City liable for any drainage problems in the area.
4, That future property owners would be informed about the setback requirements
for any future expansion of the dwelling on top of the garage construction.
5. That some type of rail or fencing be installed on top of the garage.
Seconded by Councilman Breider.
Councilman Starwalt stated he is not opposed to the applicant improv�ng his property,
he bel�eved this to be a problem of adding too large an addition in th�s area where
there is ob,7ection.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, Councilman Breider, Councilman Utter, Mayor Lieb7, Councilman Nee
voting aye, and Councilman Starwalt voting nay, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
four to one.
CONSIDERATION OF APPOINTMENTS TO CITIZEN C�MMITTEE FOR THE OUESTION OF BICYCLE/WALKWAY
Mayor Liebl recalled at the previous meeting of the Council there had been several
recommendations made for this committee.
Councilman Breider said he had a recommendat9on for area number 6, which did not have
a representative at the previous meeting, and this would he Mr. Lee Houck, 75� Overton
Drive.
Counc�lman Nee recommended that appointment of Mrs. Randy Johnson, 5224 Horizon Drive,
560-6267.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to concur in the appointments of the recommendations of the
Council the previous meeting and the current meeting which would be the following:
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mrs
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Mr.
Joe Schommer, 543 Janesville Avenue
Vern Moen, 7154 Riverview Terrace
Bob Lee, 144 Satellite Lane
Randy Johnson, 5224 Horizon Drive
William Gerads, 7545 Jackson Street
Lee Houck, 750 Overton �rive
Bob A. Riese, 6031 5th 5treet N. E.
Dale Hagen, 7484 Hayes Avenue N. E.
Dennis Schneider, 6190 Stinson Blvd
Neighborhood #1
Neighborhood #2
Neighborhood #3
Neighborhood #4
Neighborhood #5
Neighborhood #6
Neighborhood #7
Neighborhood #8
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Seconded by Counc�lman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
ORDINANCE #560 - TO AMEND SECTION 501.01 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE ADOPTING BY REFERENCE
CERTAIN PROVISIONS OF MINNESOTA STATUTES SECTION 169 AS THEY APPLY TO PRIVATE ROADS AND
MOTION by Counctlman Utter to waive the Second Reading and adopt Ordinance #560 to
amend Section 501.01 of the Fridley City Code adopting by reference certain provisions �
of Mtnnesota State Statutes Section 169 as they apply to private roads and other
property throughout the City of Fridley. Seconded by Councilman Starwa7t. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously and
ordered publication.
OR�TNANCE #561 - REPEALING ORDINANCE N0. 542 CO�IFIE� AS SECTION 4D6 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY
MOTION by Councilman Utter to waive the second reading and adopt Ordinance #567 repealing
Ordinance No. 542, codlfied as Section 406 of the Frid7ey City Code relating to electric
service franchise. Seconded by Councilman Breider. Upon a roll call vote, Councilman
Starwalt, Mayor Liebl, Councilman Utter, Councilman Nee and Councilman Breider voting
aye, Mayor Liebl deciared the mot7on carried unanimously and ordered publication.
CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF 1974 SUPERVISORY COMPENSATION PACKAGE FOR PUBLIC WORKS
AND PARKS FOREMEN:
Mayor Lie61 referred to the material furnished the Counci7 in their agenda books.
He referred to the memorandum 6y the Administrative Assistant Peter J. Her7ofsky,
which indicated that three Foremen wou7d be starting at the top of this rate schedu7e
at the 3z year level of service and the other, the Park Forman would be at this level
after completion of his six month trial period,
The City Manager explained because of the long period of service with the community,
the Park Foreman wouid also be put at ihe top of the schedule. He continuec( with ihis
minor modification, all of the men would be put on the same level in the coming year.
Mayor Liebl asked if the longevity was to be eliminated, The City Manager explained
the men would be getting the longevity within the amounts of their increase. He added,
this would be figured in and be the same as the credit for longevity.
Mayor Liebl said the men were taken from the union because the City requested they be
put on a supervisory level. He questioned if they were entitled to overtime. The
City Manager stated in the new agreement, there would be no overtime.
Mayor Liebl stated if the men work over 40 hours, they would not be reimbursed for
this work. The City Manager said the City would like to bring the men to the supervisory
level, all other supervisors work on these terms. 7he City Manager recommended the
men be on the supervisory level and work under the conditions that all others in thts
catagory work under. He further expaained these men were not getting the average
6.5% increase as all of the other Administrative personnel had received, they would be
getting 9.2% for three men and 12.8% for the one man. He said this amount of increase
is justified because they would be going into the supervisory level.
Mayor Liebl asked if the overtime and longevity is taken away, would the men be making
more or less. The City Manager said overtime is not a priviledge, the men work for it.
The City Manager cont�nued, the Foremen should train the men under them to take care of th�
basic needs of the Department and they would not haue to work overtime. He further '
commented, he was trying to provide service to the City at a lower rate. When the
men reach the supervisory level, this is a different set of conditions. The City
Manager pointed out the various members of the Administration present who are not
receiving any compensa6on for attending the current meeting.
Mayor Liebl said the situation was a little different with these men, When they were
hired, these men were presented with the conditions of employment and these were agreed
to. With the Foremen, he continued, the Union had been omitted, and now they are
handed an offer and conditions of employment,
The City Manager referred to the contract the foremen were working under in 1969 stating
at this time, the foremen were making only $23 a month more than the heavy equipment
operator. He continued, the City Administration had given the men a larger increase
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at that time, and they maintained that 7eve1. He said when they had gotten out of the
Union last year, the City gave them $16 a month extra and then they were $89 over the
heavy equipmeni operators. He said at the present time, under the proposed agreement,
they would be making $100 to $200 over the heavy equipment operators. The City
Manager said the only recommendation he could make is that the Council compare the
proposal with che other communittes or municipalities in the �ea. He stated, this is
a higher level than any other commum ty of this size and also $177 more than the
Union had negotiated.
, Councilman Breider said the people had been taken from the Union structure and been
treated as if they were identical with this agreement and procedure. He questioned if
they had been talked to ltke individuals for their individual merits. He questioned
if the management level criteria had been followed for the man's train�ng and capabilities.
He expressed concern at the negotiations with these men in that they were treated as
all people are equal. He said some people have shortcomings and some deal better with
people, etc. Councilman Breider continued, the package had been negotiated with these
four people and the Personnel Director, who is least capable of stating the men's
indtvidual qualiftcations. He said this should be asked of a man's immediate supervisor
who should be asked what the man is worth. He said this would be the supervisors duty
to determine. Councilman Breider continued to state he did not believe one could
negotiate with professional men and negotiate four people at one time. He said there
would have to be a tool to determine each man's worth. He asked if the personnel
evaluation poltcy is followed between the individual and his supervisor.
The City Manager said Counci7man Breider was referring to the policy of the private
sector and working on the public level is quite different. The City Manager explained
if the man does his �ob properly and adequately, he can look forward to a certain
level af progress. He said this would h� to be compared to other communities.
Counci]man Breider suggested a program where public works would cut their maintenance
costs by 10%. He said the man who saves the money would be allowed the compensation
increase for meeting thts goal. He repeated he did not believe the one man is worth
� exactly the same as another.
The City Manager said this would be difficult at this level and he could give ]00
different reasons why this would not apply. He said the man knows if he is doing
a satisfactory ,7ob he will get a set amount of increase. He said there would have
to be the policy of setting goals, if this is not done, there would be many problems.
Councilman Breider used the example of the City Manager's position to state if he
looked at five communtties and their City Manager was getting $20,000, this would
mean this ts the rate wheiher or not the man had exceptional capabilities.
The City Manager said there are three,levels currently in the City personnel rates
other than union personnel. He said there is the graded, mid-management and
management, He further explained at the management level, one can and would have to
judge on this basis. He said the same thing had been done in the Police Department.
He repeated the City was trying to create the three levels and this seemed to
work out the best.
Counci�lman Breider asked if the Department Heads conduct employee reviews which
would be discussions on ,7ob performance and deficiencies. He said in this way,
the employee would know in which ways he could improve.
The City Manager said this is done to a certain extent, they are trytng to build
accountability and self evaluation.
� Councilman Breider said he thought it would be the Public Works Superintendent's
duty to sit down and discuss the individual situation with the men, but the Personnel
Director had negotiated the salaries.
Councilman Breider said this is ,7ust as if the Union had negotiated, here were
four men and a set of salaries and benefits.
The City Manager said the City was taking different approaches for different levels.
He said this was working with mid-managemeni, not management.
Councilman Bretder said this method is confusing to him with different individuals.
They were presented a set of agreements.
Mayor Liebl said he was not ready to accept the agreement at the present meeting,
He said he had asked that this item be placed on the agenda to get the feelings of
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the others on the Counc�7. Mayor Liebl asked Councilman Nee if it would be possible
for him to check out what a man wiih the same responsibility in similar position
would make per year.
Councilman Nee expressed the feeling that thts would not be comparable, all would
face the open market.
Mayor Liebl said he would like the comparison to include benefits. He stated,
these men receive no pension plan.
Counci7man Nee said he did not receive a pension plan either.
Mayor Liebl said he wou7d like a report on the comparison of the type of manpower the
men are providing.
Councilman Nee said with his experience, this could not be compared to the City
operations. He said he evaluates employees by the amount of money they are making
for you. He said this would be a salary of what it takes to get the employee to
do the �06 for you and this is not the same kind of test �hat could be applied to the
City employee. He said as an example, he would pay a man $30,000 if he had a spark
of genius, when other could be making $7,000.
Councilman Nee said
the open market does
public business.
this type of comparison would be like a can of worms.He stressed,
not function the same within the private business as in the
Counci7man Breider said they could determine by how the streets are plowed and if
they are swept properly and on time.
Councilman Utter expressed concern over the remark that the Foreman has men under
him that could do the work. He pointed out in case of an emergency, the Foreman
is the first one out and the last one to leave. He said he would have to figure
a method of operations, which way to go to solve the problems. Councilman Utter
said if the men are placed�on salary, there would be no end to the amount�of hours
they put in.
Councilman Nee said he thought this type of reporting should be done by the
Administration, this is the reason for the City Manager system.
The City Manager said there are certain approaches to be followed under different
candit�ons. He said the City Engineer would not have to look at a71 of the matters
in the City, at times, he designates this to someone below him. He continued saying
somet�mas the City Engineer will have to be called, but in most cases, the City
would try to solve the problem with the lowest manpower cost.
The City Manager recalled the Council had indicated the level of manpower on the
Administration to be top heavy. He said if a man is paid at thts htgher level,
his services would be changed in relation to his salary. The City Manager further
pointed out that there were weeks when'he had attended five even7ng meetings in
a week and put in more than 60 hours, and he had never come back and asked for over-
time for this work. He stated, this is a_part of the jo6. He said if the Foremen
are not going to train the people below them to do the work, why would the City need
people below them. He said this would follow the basic theory of management. He
pointed out that the office g�rls are answering as many calls as possible and this
is a manpower saver rather than referring all calls to Department Heads or Inspectors,
etc. He said he was trying to deliver the best service for the dollars Council has
given the Adm�nistration.
Mayor Lieb7 said he would like to have Councilman Breider and Councilman Nee give the
Council some information from the outside keeping in mind what the benefits are.
Mayor Liebl said he thought it wou7d be unwise for the Council to be penny pinching
when a good job is being done. He said they should continued to provide leadership
in the mid-management levels. He said he thought it would be important to put a
smile on the faces of these men. Mayor Liebl continued there men should receive
a decent sa7ary for the kind of service they are providing and the kind of service
the City can be proud of. He said he fe7t the City Manager and the other department
heads dedicate themselves to the community with their services, and he would not
want to get in the position where the mid-management is fit with the union. He said
this should be a definite rank building system in proportion to the responsibilities,
performance, and service to round out the system. He said if these men would not
perform properly, top management would not be able to perform. Mayor Liebl said the
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Foremen have tenuous and tedious ,7obs. He mentioned the men appreciated being
placed in the mid-management catagory.
Mayor Liebl asked Councilman Breider and Councilman Nee to provide information on how
the free competitive enterprises provide benefits for people providing the same
services.
Mayor Liebl addressed the City Manager and said the proposal is a good start and he
indicated pride for the manner in which the City Manager stuck to his guns. He
added, he would like some other input to enable some approval of the package.
The City Manager satd all of the City employees receive as much compensation as the
City can afford for the services obtained. He said the only way for the City to
determine a pay rate would be to look at other areas and the rates that their
employees are receiving. The City Manager said the council was currently reviewing
the benefits and salaries for only four people and there are 118 other employees.
He said there would have to be some justification for these men receiving additional
compensation and the remainder of the 118 not receiving this. He said they would also
have to ,7ustify this package to all of the City of Fridley.
Mayor Liebl said the amount of service given to the City of Fridley by the men
would have to be considered. He said there wou�d have to be some measuring stick.
Councilman Nee said he was not sure that the business process is applicable. He
stated he would apply different tests than those used by the City.
Mr. Ed Wtlmes, 6350 Riverview Terrace, addressed the Council and said he had been
before the council many tim�s and he could not believe the way the Council was talking
about putting men in catagories. He referred to the amount of progress made by these
men and their crews. He said they come out in all kinds of weather and at any hour,
they are the ones who get the work done. Mr. Wilmes said many times he had tried
to reach many offices in the City of Fridley and these are the people that wil] qet
the work done. Mr. Wilmes said the only way there would be a job done is by recognizing
these men.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to table the consideration of the Supervisory Compensation
Package for the Foremen unti7 the next meeting of the Council. Seconded by Councilman
5tarwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
unanimously.
CONSIDERATION OF ACCEPTING EASEMENTS WITH
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Mayor Liebl asked if there were any questions concerning the acceptance of the
easements with the conditions set forth in the deeds. He commented he thought the
material was self explanatory.
Councilman Starwalt asked what the amount of $1,600 was for in ihe deed from the
Conrads. The City Manager said this was for the 170 feet of street right of way.
The City Manager explained that this was a little higher level of payment, but
instead of going to condemnation and paying the required fees, the people were
paid a little extra. He said he believed this policy of working with the people
would be a responsible method of handling such acquisitions.
The City Manager advised the Council that their action in this matter wou7d be to
approve the acceptance of the easements with the conditions listed, and also authorize
payment.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to approve the acceptance of the easements with the
conditions set forth on the deeds and also authorize payment to the individuals.
Seconded by Counci7man Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVING PETITION #11-1974 - REQUESTING INSTALLATION OF FENCE BETWEEN 67TH AVENUE
MOTION by Councilman Breider to receive petition #11-1974 requesting the installation
of fence between 67th and Rice Creek Terrace. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon
a �oice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Councilman Breider to table the item until a recommendation can be obtained
from the Engineering Department on how to remedy the situation and put the matter
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on the agenda for consideration on July 15, 1974. Seconded by Councilman Utter,
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
TION OF APPROVAL OF
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MOTION 6y Counciiman Utter to receive the letter from R. 0. Jacobson, Treasurer,
Foundation for Islands of Peace dated June 21, 1974. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. '
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Lieb] dec7ared the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Wilmes addressed the Council and outlined the procedures available for the
provision oF articles to the Islands of Peace.
Mr. Wilmes also explained there had been some items taken from the Islands and he
had been assured full police proiection from the Public Safety Director.
Mr. Hill agreed with this point.
Mr. Wilmes said he would ask the City to provide security to this area until the
Foundation is able to hire a man to provide security. He said there is a possibility
of the Foundation receiving grants from different foundations. He stressed this
sacurity would have to be kept at a high ]evel or all that had been accomp]ished
on the Islands would be down the drain.
MOTION by Couniclman Utter to authorize the Administration to make the request for
LAWCON funds for 1975 for the Foundation of the Islands of Peace. Seconded by
Counci7man Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor L�eb] declared the motion
carried unanimously.
Mr, Richard Harris, 6200 Riverview TerMace, addressed the Council and asked what
procedure should be followed when there is shooting on the Islands.
The Public Safety Director said he was not aware that there was a request for him
to establish procedure. He said if the Police Department is notified, they would
do anything possibie to stop the shooting as soon as possible.
Councilman Breider asked if there was some way the City of Fridley could obtain
the cooperation of the City of Brooklyn Center and arrest the persons when they exit
from the islands in either direction.
The Public Safety Director said they wou7d have to proceed to get a boat to the
islands.
Mr. Harris said the last time this had happened was just approximately around the
Memorial Day weekend. He said he thought ihe shots were being fired from a 22
caliber gun. He said he thought this is a dangerous situation. He offered the
use of his boat to get to the island.
Mr. Wilmes addressed the Council and informed them that he had just received a
boat which was donated to the Foundation for the Islands of Peace. He advised
the Council that the boat would hold ten people and is equipped with spot lights,
ship to shore radio and fire extinguishers, He further explained that Northern
States Power was planning to install power on the island and there wi71 also
be a telephone installed. Mr. Wilmes confirmed the statement that there is some
shoot�ng on the Islands. He said with the cooperation of the three communities
adjacent to the Islands, this problem could be solved.
Councilman Utter asked Mr. Wi7mes if it wou7d be possib]e to have a key made
for the boat so in the case it is needed, the Police �epartment would not have
to locate Mr. Wilmes for its use.
Mr. Wilmes said this would be possible. He also stated that if any emergency comes
up he would contaci the Police Department immediately so there is no hesitation.
He pointed out that the boat had been donated for emergency use.
Mayor Liebl said he would like to have a procedure estabiished.
The Public Safety Director said if the Department receives calls that there are
fire arms being used, nine cases out of ten, this is not firearms, most often it
�s fire crackers. He further explained the proper procedure for establishing this
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type of plan would be in filing a police report, not reporting this to the Council.
He said if this had been done through the Police Department, there would have been
police Qrocedure established with surveillance.
Mr. Harris said he thought the people firing the guns are hunting on the Islands.
He questioned if it would be to the City's advantage to alert the Conservation
Officer.
� The Publ�c Safety Director questioned if this would be within Fridley's ,7urisdiction.
The City Attorney said this would be with the joini jurisdiction area and he would
not be too concerned about this factor.
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Mr. Hill said he is concerned about the added amount of manpower.
The City Attorney said he fe7t Mr. Harris' suggestion to get the Game Warden involved
in this procedure was a good one.
Councilman Utter asked if the County should be involved. The Public Safety Director
said the County on ly had one or two cars on the road at one time and they are
responsible for the protection of the unincorporated areas, not the incorporated
cities.
Mr. Harris said no one had been hit up to this time, he hoped it would not take
someone getting hurt ta get something done.
RECEIVING TNE MINUTES OF THE CHARTER CDMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE 25, 7974:
MOTION by Councilman Utter to receive the minutes of the Charter Commisston Meeting
of June 25, 1974. Seconded by Councilman Sreider. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Lieb7 declared the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION 6y Councilman Utter to adopt Resolution #73-1974, designating the Assistant
City Manager/Public Safety �irector as the official applicant signator for funds
for refunding requests for the Minnesota Po7ice Officers Training Program, Seconded
by Counciman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
motion carried unanimously.
RESOLUTION #74-1974 - CONFIRMING REASSESSMENT OF STORM SEWER IMPROVEMENT PROJECT
N0. 102:
MOTION by Councilman Utter to adopt Resolution #74-1974 confirming reassessment of
storm sewer Improvement Project No. 102. Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimous7y.
COMMUNICATIONS:
IDLEY �AYCEES, RICHARD YOUNG, TOURNAMENT CHAIRMAN: MINNESOTA STATE SOFTBALL
iinn�nnern�r.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to receive the letter from Mr. Richard Young, Fridley
Jaycees, Tournament Chairman concerning the Minnesota State Softball Tournameni
dated June 27, 1974. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote, a71
� voting aye, Mayor Lieb7 declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mayor Liebl asked if the Jaycees had provided the proper insurance for personal
liability and also the liquor liab�7ity.
The City Attorney said he recommended approval of the request.
Mr. Richard Young addressed the Council and said this would be scheduled for
Saturday and Sunday un1ess it rains.
Mayor Liebl said some of the members of the Council got complaints about the
language being used �n such tournaments. Mayor Lieb7 commended Mr. Young for doing
such a good �ob tn cleaning up the area after the tournament,
Mayor Liebl asked Mr. Young if he was also seeking approval of a request to sell
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food at the tournaments. Mr. Young said this was correct, he explained that the
Jaycees would not be able to seil food at the other locations, this wouid be
done by another group.
The City Attorney said there would be no problems with this type of assistance in
serving the food.
MOTION by Councilman Starwalt to grant approval of the licenses for the Minnesota '
State Softbal7 Tournament subject to the production of the insurance for personal
liability and also for liquor 7iability for this three day period to be extended
only if there is rain on the days the tournament is scheduled, and waiving fees.
Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried unanimously.
NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES: LETTERS REQUESTING APPOINTMENT OF MAYOR LIEBL AND COUNCILMAN
BREIDER TO COMMITT�ES:
MOTION 6y Councilman Breider to receive the communications from the National League
of Cities, Mayor Tom Bradley, President, addressed to Councilman Breider and also
Mayor Liebl appointing Councilman Breider to the Committee on Pu61ic Safety of the
National League of Cities and appointing Mayor Liebl t� the Committee on Effective
Government of the National League of Cities with both communications dated July 2,
1974. Seconded by Counci7man Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimousiy.
ATEMENT FOR THE ISSUANCE
Councilman Breider said he had received a call from a man who was interested in the
issuance of Industrial Revenue Bonds in the City of Frid7ey. He said he represented
a firm with multi million dollars sales and this may represent a large business in ,
the City of Fridley. He said �n discussions with the City Manager, the man was to7d
there was a recent request, but it had been turned down.
Councilman Breider said he would like Council discussion on whether the Council
would grant approval for the issuance of Industrial Revenue Bonds to reputable firms.
He said if so, he would like to set up some sort of policy statement,
Councilman Utter said he did not know if they could approve one firm just after
they had turned one down. Counc�lman Utter asked if the firm is a multt mil7ion
dollar firm, why do they need Industrial Revenue Bonds for financing.
Councilman Breider said other areas are starting to use this type of funding as a
tool to be used for competing with other areas. He said if some company would come
in under the present conditions and the City Manager and Council gets done with
putting restrictions on them, they may decide not to build in the City. He said
if the Industrial Revenue bonds were used, this would 6e an aid to the City for
future 6uilding.
Mayor Liebl said the decision of the Council was that each request would be discussed
on its own merits. He said one proposa7 may not be the best to bui7d on and another
may be. He thought if a firm wanted to locate in the City, they would build there
anyway.
Councilman Bre�der sa�d there is a great deal of industrial property in his Ward
and he would be asked to answer this question. He said he would not want to tell '
the people to go through all the trouble and have the proposai fail. He asked
�f there would be some criteria followed in the approval or denial of the requests.
Mayor Liebl indicated he thought the people of the City should be asked for their
input on this particular matter.
Councilman Breider said he had directed this question to many people and the comments
he rece�ved were, why didn't the Council establish some policy statement. He said
he would like some �ndication if the Council wouid be against formulating such a
policy statement. He said he thought ihis would have significant influence with
the interest rates as high as they are at the present time. He expressed the fear
that the other areas would start receiving the industrial development and Fridley
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Mayor Liebl said the State Legislature had establ�shed this poltcy for those who
were in need of this type of attractton. He said it was not established for a
community like Fridley. He said the intent was to help severely economically
depressed areas.
Counctlman Starwalt said he believed it would be a good point to get the policy
� statement from the Council. He said this would be difficult to draw up. He said
there would be different concerns at what is good for the City of Fridley. Council-
man Starwalt said if the Administration would draft such a statement, it would be
to the City's advantage.
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and some people were reluctant to vote for this because they thought some communit�es
would abuse the policy.
The City Manager said he had received an inquiry from a company that was interested
in funding through the issuance of Industrial Revenue Bonds.
Mr. Richard Harris, 6200 Riverview Terrace, pointed out to the Council that the
interest rates are currenity runntng from 12% to 18% and people would not bother
to investigate the possibility of the bonds if they could get financing.
The Finance Director said the rate of interest for the Industrial Revenue Bonds
would be what ever the market cou7d bear and he estimated this to be in the area of
6�1 at the present t�me.
The City Attorney said this would be about 1% higher than general revenue bonds.
Mr. Richard Harris cautioned the Council against taking action that would make the
existing industry in the City loose faith. He stated, they are paying this high
interest rate, and this would not be a fair situation for them.
Mayor Liebl said such a statement would have to be prepared by the Admtnistration.
, Councilman Breider said the Council would have to review the statement and approve
it. Councilman Starwalt suggested the City Manager compile some ideas for the
proposal of a policy statement. He said there should be some official position
established by the Council at th�s time.
Councilman Utter said the current policy is no.
AD�OURNMENT:
MOTION hy Councilman Breider to ad,7ourn the meeting. Seconded by Councilman Nee.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously
and the Public Hearing Meettng of the Fridley City Council of �uly 8, 1974 adjourned
at 1:29 A.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Patricia Ranstrom
Secretary to the City Council
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Mayor
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