03/16/1998 - 00000129THE MINUTES OF THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL OF
MARCH 16, 1998
The Regular Meeting of the Fridley City Council was called to order
by Mayor Jorgenson at 7:35 p.m.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE:
Mayor Jorgenson led the Council and audience in the Pledge of
Allegiance to the Flag.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT: Mayor Jorgenson, Councilman Barnette,
Councilman Billings, Councilman Schneider and
Councilwoman Bolkcom
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
PRESENTATION:
PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL SECRETARY, CAROLE HADDAD:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, presented a plaque to Carole Haddad, City
Council Secretary, for her 21 years of service to the City. She
will be retiring on March 31. Ms. Haddad thanked the Council, the
City Manager and staff for all their support which made her job so
enjoyable.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES:
COUNCIL MEETING, MARCH 2, 1998:
MOTION by Councilman Barnette to approve the minutes as presented.
Seconded by Councilwoman Bolkcom. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the motion carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF PROPOSED CONSENT AGENDA:
NEW BUSINESS:
1. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE UNDER SECTION 12.06 OF THE CITY
CHARTER DECLARING CERTAIN REAL ESTATE TO BE SURPLUS AND
AUTHORIZING THE SALE THEREOF:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that this surplus property is
defined as 33,631 square feet of former highway right-of-way
that lies between Highway 65 and the Fridley Executive Center
site. This parcel should be conveyed to the Housing and
Redevelopment Authority and will be included as part of the
developable property known as the Fridley Executive Center
site.
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THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLACED ON
THE REGULAR AGENDA.
2. RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING ACCESS AND USE OF RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR THE
TH65/CENTRAL AVENUE/LA� POINTE DRIVE INTERSECTION
IMPROVEMENT :
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that this resolution
authorizes the use of 31,249 square feet of former highway
right-of-way for use in constructing the TH65/Lake Pointe
Drive intersection improvement. This parcel and the parcel
described under Item 1 of the agenda were once joined together
as part of a Minnesota Department of Transportation (MnDOT)
right-of-way turnback to the City. It has always been
understood that the parcel in Item 1 would be part of the
Fridley Executive Center development and that the balance of
the parcel, named in this item, would be available for future
intersection improvements. This ordinance and the resolution
in Item 1 serve to formalize these arrangements.
THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLACED ON
THE REGULAR AGENDA.
3. RESOLUTION REVOKING AND ESTABLISHING MUNICIPAL STATE AID
STREETS:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that this resolution revokes
79th Way and 79th Avenue between Main Street and East River
Road as part of the City's Municipal State Aid System (MSAS).
If the City were to continue to include this segment in the
MSAS system, an at-grade crossing would need to be established
at the Burlington Northern Railroad tracks. Since Burlington
Northern Railroad is not supportive of the crossing and staff
can foresee negative traffic impacts from establishing the
crossing, it is recommended that this portion of our MSAS
system be deleted.
Mr. Burns stated that in place of the 79th Avenue/79th Way
segment, staff recommended that the West University Service
Drive between 79th and 83rd Avenues be substituted.
THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLACED ON
THE REGULAR AGENDA.
4. RECEIVE THE RECOMN�NDATIONS FROM SPRINGSTED INCORPORATED
REGARDING THE SALE OF $1,185,000 GENERAL OBLIGATION WATER
REVENUE REFUNDING BONDS, SERIES 1998A:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that in 1991, the City issued
bonds for financing a number of water system projects
including the Highway 65 water tower. These bonds have a call
provision that allows the City to make early payment on all
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remaining principal. Springsted is recommending that, in
anticipation of the call date (February l, 2000), the City
issue refunding bonds at today's interest rates. The proceeds
of this new sale will be used to retire the original bond
issue at its call date. Through this action, the City will
save $121,649.70 in debt service payments. Staff recommends
that the Springsted report be received.
RECEIVED THE RECOMN�NDATIONS FROM SPRINGSTED, INC. REGARDING
THE SALE OF $1,185,000 GENERAL OBLIGATION WATER REVENUE
REFUNDING BONDS, SERIES 1998A.
5. RESOLUTION NO. 18-1998 INITIATING THE PROCESS FOR THE SALE OF
THE CITY OF FRIDLEY'S GENERAL OBLIGATION WATER REVENUE
REFUNDING BONDS, SERIES 1998A:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that this resolution was
prepared by bond counsel and would begin the process for the
sale of the refunding bonds. The refunding bonds will be
retired from revenues generated by the City's sale of water.
ADOPTED RESOLUTION NO. 18-1998.
6. APPROVE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA,
DEPARTMENT OF TRADE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY OF
FRIDLEY (ONAN CORPORATION) PROJECT):
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that this agreement contains
the terms for the City's administration of the State's
Minnesota Investment Fund financing for a project initiated by
the Onan Corporation. Under the terms of the agreement, the
$360,000 in financing is based on Onan's commitment to create
144 new jobs within two years while maintaining both the 611
jobs that existed at the time the grant application was made
for a period of five years. By the terms of this agreement,
the City will receive the money from the State and distribute
the money to Onan as a loan that will be forgiven if the terms
of the State's agreement with Onan are fulfilled. The City's
involvement is the establishment of a loan agreement with Onan
and the filing of periodic compliance reports to the State.
THIS ITEM WAS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND PLACED ON
THE REGULAR AGENDA.
7. CLAIMS:
AUTHORIZED PAYMENT OF CLAIM NOS. 79526 THROUGH 79783.
8. LICENSES:
APPROVED THE LICENSES AS SUBMITTED AND AS ON FILE IN THE
LICENSE CLERK'S OFFICE.
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9. ESTIMATES:
APPROVED THE ESTIMATES, AS FOLLOWS:
Frederic W. Knaak, Esq.
Holstad and Larson, P.L.C.
3535 Vadnais Center Drive
St. Paul, MN 55110
Services Rendered as City Attorney
for the Month of February, 1998. .
Newquist & Ekstrum, Chartered
301 Fridley Plaza Office Building
6401 University Avenue N.E.
Fridley, MN 55432
. . . . $ 4,250.00
Services Rendered as City Prosecuting
Attorney for the Month of December, 1997 ..$15,837.50
No persons in the audience spoke regarding the consent agenda
items.
Councilman Billings requested that Items l, 2 and 3 be removed from
the consent agenda and placed on the regular agenda.
Mayor Jorgenson requested that Item 6 be removed from the consent
agenda and placed on the regular agenda.
MOTION by Councilman Billings to approve the consent agenda with
the exception of Items l, 2, 3 and 6. Seconded by Councilman
Barnette. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson
declared the motion carried unanimously.
ADOPTION OF AGENDA:
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to adopt the agenda with the
addition of Items l, 2, 3 and 6 from the consent agenda after Item
11. Seconded by Councilwoman Bolkcom. Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the motion carried
unanimously.
OPEN FORUM, VISITORS:
Mr. Joe Sombrio, 289 Stonybrook Way, stated that WAABI has operated
pulls taps at Main Event and Shorewood in Fridley. Over the last
seven years they have generated $400,000 in revenue that went to
community organizations in Fridley, as well as communities outside
of Fridley. It was his understanding that the Italian Club of
Minnesota and the Minnesota Youth Boxing Association plan to sell
pull tabs at these establishments in Fridley. He wanted to make
sure that there were no illegal activities if these new
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organizations come into the City. He would like WAABI to be
grandfathered because of their support of organizations in the
City. He understands that only five percent has to be given to
Fridley from these pull-tab operations. WAABI currently gives 55
percent.
Councilman Billings stated that when the City initially prepared
the ordinance, a certain percentage of the funds generated from the
pull-tab operation were to be spent in Fridley. The State
statutes, however, take precedent over City ordinances. Those
statutes provide that a percentage of the proceeds must be returned
to the community or cities that are contiguous to Fridley.
Councilman Billings stated that the Minnesota Department of Gaming
has control over the pull-tab operations. If there is evidence of
any illegal activities it should be reported to the Gaming
Department.
Councilman Barnette stated that WAABI was a major contributor to
the Excel and scholarship programs at the Fridley High School. He
felt that Mr. Sombrio should talk with the Main Event and Shorewood
on this issue.
Mr. Sombrio stated that he did not wish to infer these
organizations are doing anything illegal. Before any licenses are
granted Council should know where the organizations will be
distributing their proceeds.
Mr. Knaak, City Attorney, stated that Councilman Billings was
correct in that the areas where these funds are distributed are
controlled by State statutes. How these funds are allocated
depends entirely on the decision of the participating organization,
as long as they comply with the State statute regarding the
distribution. However, there is a provision in the State statute
that allows the City to take up to ten percent of the proceeds
dedicated to a special fund. Unless there is evidence of wrong-
doing it is impossible for the City to hold up the licensing
process.
Mr. Sombrio stated that Fridley youth programs have benefited from
WAABI's contributions. Whatever can be done to ensure that those
contributions to the youth in Fridley continues would be
appreciated.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that she would encourage the youth and
their parents to contact those businesses regarding their concern.
Councilman Schneider stated that everyone is very supportive of
WAABI. The reality is that there is not much Council can do
regarding the licensing.
It was the consensus of Council that the provision of ten percent
to a special fund should be reviewed.
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OLD BUSINESS:
10. SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE REPEALING CHAPTER 407 OF THE
FRIDLEY CITY CODE IN ITS ENTIRETY, AND ADOPTING A NEW CHAPTER
407, ENTITLED "RIGHT-OF-WAY MANAGEMENT" AND AMENDING CHAPTER
11 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE, ENTITLED "GENERAL PROVISIONS AND
FEES"
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AUTHORIZING PUBLICATION OF OFFICIAL TITLE AND SUNII�IARY:
Mr. Flora, Public Works Director, stated that the League of
Minnesota Cities, the Suburban Rate Authority, and the City
Engineers Association of Minnesota worked on a model ordinance to
satisfy the 1997 legislative requirements for managing the public
right-of-way. The purpose of the ordinance is to ensure proper
restoration of the streets and boulevards when it is necessary for
utility companies to make cuts. The Legislature established that
the right-of-way was the City's responsibility and allowed the City
to issue permits, plan restoration, address franchises, and
establish construction standards. In addition, it provided for
joint application of work, denial of permits, mapping, and a user
fee except for telecommunication activities.
Mr. Flora stated that a public hearing was held on this ordinance,
and a first reading of the ordinance was held on March 2. There
were a number of issues raised at the public hearing, as well as
the time of the first reading of the ordinance. A meeting was held
with representatives from Minnegasco, Northern States Power and
Paragon Cable addressing these concerns. Some changes have been
made in the ordinance by adding language and deleting some sections
of the ordinance.
Mr. Flora stated that he would expect there may be additional
changes to this ordinance in the year 2000 after the Public
Utilities Commission completes their work on this right-of-way
issue. In the meantime, the City needs an ordinance to control the
right-of-way and recoup the costs the City is spending in those
operations. The ordinance addresses these issues as well as those
brought up by the utility companies.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that she received telephone calls regarding
the fee structure and the mapping.
Mr. Flora stated that the plans are reviewed by various departments
and then a permit is issued. In conjunction with the permit,
inspections are conducted during the course of a project. The fees
are to recoup the City's costs. With regard to the mapping, it is
proposed that the City recoup the costs for entering into the GIS
system the location of lines.
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Mr. Flora reviewed the right-of-way fees for excavation,
obstruction, extensions, delay penalties, and degradation, as well
as user fees.
Councilman Schneider asked if there would be only one fee if a
single trench was dug and used by all the utility companies.
Mr. Flora stated that only one fee would be charged. If there is a
City project, a company can do their necessary work at the same
time and there would be no fee.
There were questions raised about the fees if there was an
emergency situation.
Mr. Flora felt that in the case of a major storm Council would
probably have to look at these fees in a different light.
There was discussion regarding the amount of time involved for
permits. Mr. Flora stated that the Police, Fire, Engineering
Departments, and sometimes the Community Development Department,
have to review these requests. After review of the plan,
inspections by City staff are involved as the project proceeds.
Councilman Billings asked if a permit would be required if utility
companies were working in the street and needed to block a lane.
Mr. Flora answered in the affirmative. He explained that any
digging in the boulevard or pavement is considered an obstruction.
If it is strictly a service call, it does not require a permit.
Mayor Jorgenson asked the City Attorney to explain why the
telecommunications industry is exempt.
Mr. Knaak, City Attorney, stated that, historically, a franchise is
granting authority to an entity to use public right-of-way to
provide an important key service. It is more than a contractual
arrangement and, typically, is an ordinance outlining requirements
that must be met.
Councilman Schneider stated that once the Public Utilities
Commission enacts their legislation some modifications may be
needed to this ordinance if it is adopted.
Mr. Flora stated that he did not expect any major changes but only
some minor fine tuning of the ordinance.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that the fees proposed for Fridley are
quite a bit higher than those in Edina. She questioned if the
taxpayers were subsidizing some of the fees.
Mr. Flora stated that this could be possible and would account for
the lower fees if some of the fees are subsidized. Part of the
problem is that in the 1980's the utility companies had their own
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employees doing the repair work so that any problems could be
worked out. Today, this is not the case. It is hard to coordinate
efforts when a problem arises because of the different contractors
that may be involved.
Councilman Schneider stated that he was concerned about comparing
the City's fees with other communities. There are many factors
that could enter into this difference such as how they maintain
their data base and the infrastructure.
Mr. Flora felt the proposed fees were reasonable with regard to the
amount of time for processing these permits.
Councilman Schneider stated that data could be analyzed over a six-
month period to make sure the fees truly reflect the cost to the
City.
Mr. Flora stated that there is a routing system that would make it
possible for everyone to keep track of their hours.
Councilman Billings felt
whether all facilities
Section 407.07 the $1 was
lanes or street lanes.
that Section 407.22 was not clear as to
should be underground. Further, under
omitted. Also, he found no definition of
Councilman Billings stated that the City of Edina may be recovering
their costs from franchise fees, and taxpayers may not be
subsidizing the utility companies. However, he felt that the
proposed fees have increased tremendously. He found it difficult
to believe that a utility company could have a permit to cut three
holes, perform the work in eight hours, and then it takes twelve
hours to inspect the work.
Mr. Flora stated he felt it would be impossible for a utility
company to cut and restore three holes in an eight-hour period.
Councilman Billings asked how many permits were issued last year
for excavation.
Mr. Flora stated that there were about sixty. However, with
Minnegasco's lines, any two cuts within a 200 foot area is
considered only one. That is also a policy associated with the
adoption of the ordinance.
Councilman Billings asked if this policy was included in the
ordinance.
Mr. Flora stated it is a policy that the City adopted associated
with implementing the ordinance. Copies were given to the utility
companies.
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Councilman Schneider stated that he had a problem with the
definition of obstruction which is defined as digging a hole. He
asked if this would be enforced consistently and not arbitrarily.
Councilman Billings asked if Council could, in a franchise
agreement, negotiate terms and conditions that would specifically
address the manner in which companies would leave property and the
costs they would pay over and above the franchise fee for any work
they conducted. He asked if there could be some negotiations with
Northern States Power and Minnegasco to cover the City's costs. He
wanted some serious consideration given to companies that have a
franchise agreement with the City and who pay a franchise fee, to
be exempt from certain conditions of this ordinance. If there are
companies that do not have a franchise agreement with the City,
Council could adopt fees to ensure the quality of the work to be
done.
Councilman Schneider felt that companies with franchise agreements
with the City should take precedent over this ordinance.
Councilman Billings stated that the City has a franchise agreement
with Minnegasco, but there is no franchise fee. This would need to
be addressed. Franchise fees are being collected from Paragon
Cable. Possibly a certain portion of those fees could be allocated
to the recovery of the City's costs. The franchise agreement, as
well as the franchise fee, would need to be addressed with Northern
States Power. Council may want to re-adopt the fees from last year
on a short-term basis.
Mr. Burns, City Manager, asked Councilman Billings if he felt that
Section 407.03, paragraph two, was addressing his concerns.
Councilman Billings felt it should be reviewed by the City
Attorney, as he felt it was not clear as to what it means in terms
of the franchise fee.
Councilman Billings stated that he was unclear as to how
obstruction permit fees are calculated and if wires can be replaced
overhead or if they need to be underground.
MOTION by Councilman Barnette to receive the letter from Northern
States Power dated March 16, 1998. Seconded by Councilwoman
Bolkcom. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson
declared the motion carried unanimously.
There was a consensus of the Council that possibly the policy
should be included as part of the ordinance or as a reference.
MOTION by Councilman Billings to table this item and refer it back
to staff. Further, that this matter be re-submitted to Council no
later than April 20, 1998. Seconded by Councilwoman Bolkcom.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the
motion carried unanimously.
NEW BUSINESS:
11. RESOLUTION NO. 19-1998 REQUESTING NO PARKING ON CENTRAL AVENUE
350 METERS NORTH OF TRUNK HIGHWAY 65:
Mr. Flora, Public Works Director, stated that this resolution
specified no parking on Central Avenue for 350 meters north of
TH 65.
Councilman Schneider asked if this resolution allows for additional
parking restrictions.
Mr. Flora stated that the County did install "No Parking" signs on
Old Central Avenue in 1983, but there is no documentation. This
resolution deals with the first 350 meters associated with the
improvement of the intersection.
No persons in the audience spoke regarding the no parking
restrictions on Old Central Avenue.
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to adopted Resolution No. 19-1998.
Seconded by Councilman Billings. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the motion carried unanimously.
ITEMS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA:
1. FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE UNDER SECTION 12.06 OF THE CITY
CHARTER DECLARING CERTAIN REAL ESTATE TO BE SURPLUS AND
AUTHORIZING THE SALE THEREOF:
Councilman Billings stated that he understands this parcel was
vacated by Council in 1987. The resolution, which is Item 2 on the
agenda (to grant the use of the right-of-way) is what the City
already vacated. He asked who owns this parcel.
Ms. Dacy, Community Development Director, stated that this parcel
was part of a larger parcel and was deeded to the City from MnDOT
as a"turnback" parcel. However, there does not appear to have
been an ordinance which declared the vacated property "excess" to
enable the City to convey it to the Housing and Redevelopment
Authority. This ordinance is necessary in order to quit claim the
vacated right-of-way to the HRA. The area will also be included as
part of the lot in the final plat.
Ms. Dacy stated that the resolution (Item 2 on the agenda) and the
attached Exhibit A refer to the area where the City did not vacate
its interest to continue for highway purposes.
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Councilman Billings stated that it was difficult to tell from the
drawing, as they are at different scales. He wanted to clarify if
the parcels are adjacent to each other.
MOTION by Councilman Billings to waive the reading and approve the
ordinance on first reading. Seconded by Councilman Schneider.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the
motion carried unanimously.
2. RESOLUTION NO. 16-1998 AUTHORIZING ACCESS AND USE OF RIGHT-OF-
WAY FOR THE TH65/CENTRAL AVENUE/LA� POINTE DRIVE INTERSECTION
IMPROVEMENT :
MOTION by Councilman Billings to adopt Resolution No. 16-1998, with
attached Exhibit A. Seconded by Councilwoman Bolkcom. Upon a
voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the motion
carried unanimously.
3. RESOLUTION NO. 17-1998 REVOKING AND ESTABLISHING MUNICIPAL
STATE AID STREETS:
Councilman Billings asked if there would be any fees associated
with the removal of 79th Avenue/79th Way between Main Street and
East River Road as an MSAS street, and the redesignation
identifying University West Service Drive between 79th and 83rd
Avenues as an MSAS street.
Mr. Flora, Public Works Director, stated that in the past the City
has not paid any fees with other streets that have been turned
back. The street was built in the 1960s. If there are any fees
associated with this turnback, they would be minimal. This will
have to go through the process with MnDOT before it is known if any
fees are involved.
MOTION by Councilwoman Bolkcom to adopt Resolution No. 17-1998.
Seconded by Councilman Barnette. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Jorgenson declared the motion carried unanimously.
6. APPROVE GRANT AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA,
DEPARTMENT OF TRADE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY OF
FRIDLEY (ONAN CORPORATION PROJECT):
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to approve the grant agreement
between the State of Minnesota, Department of Trade and Economic
Development and the City for the Onan Corporation project.
Seconded by Councilman Barnette. Upon a voice vote, Councilman
Schneider, Councilman Barnette, Councilman Billings, and
Councilwoman Bolkcom voted in favor of the motion. Mayor Jorgenson
abstained from voting on the motion. Mayor Jorgenson declared the
motion carried by a four to one vote.
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12. RESOLUTION NO. 20-1998 APPROVING AND ADOPTING A DEER
POPULATION MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE MINNEAPOLIS WATERWORKS:
Mr. Dave Sallman, Public Safety Director, stated that the
Minneapolis Waterworks approached the City with a problem regarding
the deer herd on their property which totals about thirty (30).
Meetings were held, and recommendations were submitted on how the
herd should be reduced. If there was to be a deer harvest, safety
recommendations were made to make sure it would be safe for persons
outside the Waterworks property.
Mr. Sallman stated that, as Public Safety Director, he can approve
the discharge of weapons, but he does not have authority over the
ordinance that deals with hunting in the City. An indemnification
agreement was received from the City of Minneapolis relating to the
deer harvest. Staff recommends approval. There were
representatives from the Department of Natural Resources and
Minneapolis Waterworks, as well as the City's Naturalist, to answer
any questions.
Councilman Schneider asked why rifles were used at Springbrook
Nature Center for a deer harvest and why they would not be used at
the Waterworks.
Mr. Sallman stated that rifles were used at Springbrook Nature
Center after the Nature Center had closed for the day, and after
there was no one on the property. Firearms would not be used on
the Waterworks property since employees may be on the property at
all times.
Councilman Billings asked if this was a deer management plan that
will last for a period of time.
Mr. Sallman stated that the plan is to keep the deer herd at a
certain level. If there is a need for future reduction, he would
come back to Council for approval.
Councilman Billings asked if this would be a reduction of the deer
herd to zero or a manageable level. He also questioned if the area
is totally enclosed or if it is possible for additional deer to
migrate into the area.
Mr. Sallman stated that the Department of Natural Resources (DNR)
would issue a permit regarding the number of deer that can be
removed. This amount could not be exceeded.
Mr. Siah St. Clair, Naturalist, stated that the deer are wild
animals living off the natural habitat. Their only known predators
in the community are automobiles and trains.
Mr. Jim Ring, representing the Minneapolis Waterworks, stated that
he counted 31 deer on the property last week. Chasing them out of
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the compound does not work. The deer return, and the population
continues to grow. The habitat will not support a deer heard this
large.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that some people perceive this to be a zoo
of some sort or a reserve of animals, and they have strong
reservations regarding the method of kill. She questioned if it is
humane to reduce the herd and then allow them to breed again within
a confined site.
Ms. Kathy DonCarlos, Assistant Area Wildlife Manager for the DNR,
stated that in areas where cities have determined it is
inappropriate or not advisable to discharge weapons, the DNR places
more responsibility on the municipality to manage that situation.
In determining deer populations, the rule of thumb is that most
municipalities will tolerate 15 to 25 deer per square mile. Deer
are managed at lower levels of 7 to 11 per square mile where the
vegetation is necessary to protect the ecosystem.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that in using the basis of 15 to 25 deer per
square mile, the area being discussed would support approximately 5
to 8 deer. The amount of habitat available for year-around support
reduces this to 1-1/2 to 3 deer per square mile. If you want to
protect the understory, it is about 1 deer per square mile. The
DNR does not support chasing the deer from this area, as it will
increase the density elsewhere.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that the survival rate would be very low if
the DNR tranquilized the deer and relocated them to another area.
The procedure is not without risk, as there is a physiological
reaction. A wild animal in this state is vulnerable to predators.
Councilman Billings stated that even though the death of the deer
is pretty drastic, the DNR feels it is the most humane way of
reducing the herd.
Councilwoman Jorgenson questioned if there were any effective birth
control methods for deer.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that hormonal birth control methods done in
the eastern part of the United States resulted in permanent changes
in the animal. This places humans at risk if ineat is ingested and
the animal is at high risk for cancer. There is also a vaccine,
but it requires two injections which means the deer have to be
identified. She felt that it was not a good option, but she hoped
that there would be a one-time vaccine in the future.
Ms. Linda Hatfield, 4901 Second Avenue S., Minneapolis, Friends of
Animals and Their Environment, stated that she never had an
opportunity to address this issue at the Minneapolis City Council
meeting. She felt that bow hunting was cruel and inhumane, as the
animals suffer and die through hemorrhaging. She felt that the
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gates could be opened to disperse the deer to other areas along the
natural corridor of the river. She saw five deer that looked
healthy and did not appear to be starving. Ms. Hatfield felt that
the bow hunting was a short-term fix and a cruel way to address the
problem. She thanked Mayor Jorgenson for the response to her
letter, and she asked the City to look at a deer management
program.
Councilman Schneider asked Ms. Hatfield if her preference would be
for rifles, rather than bow and arrow.
Ms. Hatfield stated that her group is opposed to bow hunting. She
has served on task forces that addressed deer management programs.
She would like the City to consider other options and have people
stop feeding the deer.
Mr. Randy Khoury, member of the Natural Mississippi River Advisory
Board for the City of Minneapolis, stated that there is not a
wildlife management plan for the metropolitan area. With respect
to the DNR, they issue hunting licenses. If this river corridor
cannot support 30 deer, there is a problem. He has not heard of
any plan to restore plant life to support the deer. He felt this
approach should be taken.
Mayor Jorgenson asked how many deer there are currently in the
City.
Mr. St. Clair stated that an aerial survey showed 13 deer in the
north end of the City, that includes Springbrook Nature Center, and
23 deer on Durham Island near Islands of Peace. He did not have a
count for the area south of I-694. However, the counts are down
from about 50 to 60 deer in the whole area to about 40.
Ms. Julie Durbey, Volunteer with the Animal Rights Coalition,
stated that there is a program on Channel 6 which addresses bow
hunting and how it is inhumane and inappropriate. The deer at the
Waterworks are very tame, and the first option is to get them out
of this area. There should be an opportunity to explore other
methods. She felt bow hunting was not ethical.
Ms. Mary Rittenhouse, north Minneapolis, stated that she felt the
DNR had a stronghold on deer management. She felt it was time to
consider other ways of dealing with these issues. There should be
a way to do something intelligently rather than violently.
Mr. Curtis Carlson, 1129 Washington Street N.E., stated that this
would not be a hunt, it would be a slaughter. He felt the
Waterworks employees created the deer problem by feeding them.
There have been numerous road kill, there are no signs posted, and
the speed limit is totally violated. If the fence were to be
lowered, the deer could move from one area to another. Mr. Carlson
stated that he is not opposed to hunting, but he can't believe bow
FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 16, 1998 PAGE 15
hunting should be
support more than
determined how much
allowed the herd to
would leave.
considered. He felt this area could easily
one or two deer. He thought it should be
feeding was done by Waterworks employees that
grow. He felt that if no one fed the deer they
Mr. Jim Ring stated that he understands this is an emotional issue.
Waterworks is not trying to take on the job of the DNR. He has
worked there for eleven years, and the deer have not been there a
long time. It has been rare to see a deer. Lowering the fence
would defeat the security. He is a resident of Fridley and would
appreciate approval of this plan.
Councilman Schneider asked why bow hunting is proposed versus sharp
shooters.
Mr. Ring stated that their land is narrow, and there are employees
on the site seven days a week, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. He
would not want to put any employee in jeopardy by having rifles
being fired. Employees have to check gauges on an hourly basis on
some of the unmanned stations. Employees that would be working in
these areas expressed concern about high powered rifles being used.
Councilman Schneider stated that this seems like a sporting event
and not a deer management program. He agreed that if it was
necessary to reduce the deer herd that it should be done as
painless as possible.
Councilwoman Bolkcom asked why the decision was made for bow
hunting versus rifles.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that they are finding that archery is a more
effective tool in certain situations. It is recommended in
situations where there is sensitivity as far as proximity to
residents. As far as the humaneness of rifles versus bow hunting,
studies have been done. The killing time between a shot and an
arrow is a difference of about seven seconds and the run is about
thirty yards. When an agency brings in the Metro Bowhunters
Resource Base people they are very carefully screened and directed
as to the type of shots and distance.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that rifles could have been used in this
area; however, the primary reason for using bow and arrow was
because the employees did not want to hear the animals that were
being killed. This contradicts them feeding the animals and
allowing the herd to grow. It is a question of how these animals
will be treated.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that it would be a humane method of removing
animals. As far as why the Minneapolis Waterworks did not want to
use sharpshooters, there is a cost involved. The DNR has issued
permits in situations where agencies have requested bow hunting and
FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 16, 1998 PAGE 16
has no problem with it, as the hunts are conducted in a humane and
safe manner.
Councilman Barnette asked how wounded animals would be tracked and
if they would be dressed on site.
Ms. DonCarlos stated that as far as wounding, there would not be
any unrecovered deer. Also, the animals would be dressed in the
field.
Councilman Barnette asked if the kill rate is the same with the
rifle versus the bow hunting.
Mr. Mark Graham, Director of the Metro Bowhunters Resource Base,
stated that all the shots would be from elevated stands and limited
to no more than 20 yards. The persons selected for this operation
will have been through training. They also would have to
demonstrate a proficiency with the bow and arrow and taking animals
through their programs. The people are donating their time and not
allowed to take hide, hair, or meat. The reason the organization
exists is to demonstrate that bow hunting can be an efficient and
effective method for deer removal. It is an emotional issue.
Given another alternative, he would personally rather use this
method. He could provide documents from other cities to address
the issues of safety and wounded deer.
Mayor Jorgenson asked how they choose the participants.
Mr. Graham stated that those who would participate have completed
the advanced bow hunters course, as well as the ethics and shooting
proficiency tests. They choose people through a lottery system,
but they are very careful in how they select these persons.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that there was a memorandum on the potential
cost to the City of Minneapolis that was considerable. She
questioned if that was one of the determining factors in using the
archery association.
Mr. Ring stated that this was a factor, and there would be no cost
to the City of Minneapolis.
Councilman Schneider felt that other options should be reviewed.
He did not care if it costs the City of Minneapolis more to take
care of this problem.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that the herd would have to be reduced to
the point where the deer will not continually remove all the
understory which means down to a low level.
Mr. Yasser AbouAish, Superintendent of the Waterworks, stated that
he does not claim to be an expert in deer herd management and
relies on the DNR for that information. The level of reduction
FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 16, 1998 PAGE 17
they are trying to achieve is not based on deer reduction every
year. Chasing the deer out of the complex would not be
responsible, as it will add to someone else's problem. Lowering
the fence will jeopardize their employees, and he would not support
this suggestion. He did not think the City of Minneapolis would
support allowing sharpshooters to conduct a deer thinning program
because their facility operates 24 hours a day. There are
facilities that are not staffed and personnel need to check.
MOTION by Councilman Billings to adopt Resolution No. 20-1998 and
authorize the necessary documents pertaining thereto. Seconded by
Councilman Barnette.
Councilman Barnette stated that as disgusting as it is to kill
deer, this seems to be the option that is the most humane. Whether
it be by bow and arrow or rifle, he felt that with the closeness of
the shoot, either method will be just as lethal. There is less
opportunity for a stray arrow to do damage than a bullet. He
supported the Minneapolis plan.
Councilman Barnette stated that, philosophically, we already agreed
that killing deer for management is appropriate because the City
allowed it at Springbrook Nature Center.
Councilman Schneider stated that he voted against the deer
reduction at Springbrook Nature Center the first year. However
subsequently, he has supported it. Some time should be given to
review the other options. He did not believe this was deer
management. The City's heritage is that we care about natural
resources and exploring every possible option. He cannot support
this resolution, as he has to do what he feels is right.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that it is doubly hard when people have
an attraction to the deer and feed them. She has heard from the
DNR what would be acceptable, and it does not seem there are other
options available. The DNR stated that if the deer were removed
from the area some would die being transported, and there is the
question of survival in a different environment.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that this is a difficult issue because she
comes from a family of hunters. However, she has a difficult time
with the number of deer within the facility. She felt they are
thought of as domesticated pets, rather than wild animals. She
felt the City did not have much choice but to reduce the herd. She
encouraged the Waterworks personnel from treating these animals as
domestic pets only to watch them be slaughtered year after year.
The deer outside these boundaries roam free in the City. Deer
herds have been thinned to protect and prevent injuries to our
residents. She also encouraged the persons interested in deer
management to work with the Minneapolis City Council in trying to
assure that this does not keep repeating itself.
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Councilman Schneider asked if this management plan was a one-year
plan.
Mr. Sallman stated that the intent is to have a continuing plan the
same as the City's plan. Council would be notified if it was the
intent to enact the plan on a given year, but it would not
necessarily need approval.
Mayor Jorgenson stated that her concern is that this does not
become a private hunting reserve.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that they would not allow the
participants to take the deer, and the participants are not paying
to participate.
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to amend the resolution by adding
the words "for 1998" at the end of the fifth paragraph. Seconded
by Councilman Billings.
Mr. Knaak stated that, in essence, Council is granting a variance.
Unless it is specified that the variance would be reviewed it would
continue. To rescind it would take a public hearing and due
process. An alternative would be to restrict the initial
resolution to provide for some review.
Councilman Schneider asked if the amended motion provided for a
one-year term.
Mr. Knaak stated that it does not because simply to refer to 1998,
does not change the resolution in the manner suggested. Language
could be added to the effect that this resolution would be reviewed
annually, semi-annually, or every five years by the City for it to
be effective beyond this date. Added language would limit this to
a variance for a period of years.
Councilman Billings stated that another alternative would be to add
language to say that this variance would continue; however, Council
would be notified whenever the deer management plan is to take
effect. This gives the option of re-submitting some controls by
establishing a modification clause so Council is aware of the
future application of this variance.
Mr. Knaak stated that language could be added to the effect that
the approval and authority granted under this resolution shall
expire on December 31, 1998.
UPON A VOICE VOTE TAKEN ON THE ABOVE MOTION, all voted nay, except
Councilman Barnette. Mayor Jorgenson declared the MOTION FAILED.
MOTION by Councilman Schneider to amend the resolution by deleting
the words "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED" in paragraph six and combine
paragraphs five and six. Further, to add the following paragraph
FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL MEETING OF MARCH 16, 1998 PAGE 19
to this resolution to read as follows: "BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED
that the approval and authority granted by this resolution shall
expire on December 31, 1998. Also, to change the title of the
resolution by adding the following words: "for the year ending
December 31, 1998." Seconded by Councilwoman Bolkcom. Upon a
voice vote, Councilman Schneider, Councilwoman Bolkcom, Councilman
Barnette, and Mayor Jorgenson voted in favor of the motion.
Councilman Billings voted against the motion. Mayor Jorgenson
declared the motion carried by a four to one vote.
UPON A VOICE VOTE TAKEN ON THE MAIN MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION N0.
20-1998, Councilman Barnette, Councilwoman Bolkcom, and Mayor
Jorgenson voted in favor of the motion. Councilman Billings and
Councilman Schneider voted against the motion. Mayor Jorgenson
declared the motion carried by a three to two vote.
13. 1998 APPOIN'I'MENTS TO CITY COMMISSIONS:
MOTION by Councilman Billings to table this item. Seconded by
Councilman Barnette. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor
Jorgenson declared the motion carried unanimously.
14. INFORMAL STATUS REPORTS:
Mr. Burns, City Manager, stated that due to the lateness of the
hour, he will not be having the department managers review their
goals and objectives. It was agreed Council would meet March 30,
1998 to review these goals and objectives.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that volunteers are need to work on the
50th anniversary task force. Anyone interested should contact the
City Manager at 572-3500.
Councilman Barnette stated that Sue Anne Kirkham has agreed to be
the spearhead for the proposed all-class reunion of Fridley High
School, combining this with the Fridley `49er Days parade. This
will be the 40th reunion of the first graduating class from Fridley
High School. It is proposed that members of each class drive a
vintage automobile in the parade. He suggested that persons
interested in working on this event should contact Sue Anne Kirkham
at City Hall. The number is 571-3450.
Councilwoman Bolkcom stated that Council received petitions from
persons concerned about youth basketball and asked if this issue
had been resolved.
Mr. Burns stated that the plan is to move the youth basketball to
Monday night so there is not a conflict with Wednesday night
church. The people playing volleyball on Monday nights had no
problem with moving to Wednesday night.
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MOTION by Councilman Barnette to adjourn the meeting.
Councilman Schneider. Upon a voice vote, all votin
Jorgenson declared the motion carried unanimously and
Meeting of the Fridley City Council of March 16, 1998
11:40 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Seconded by
g aye, Mayor
the Regular
adjourned at
Carole Haddad Nancy J. Jorgenson
Secretary to the City Council Mayor