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05/15/2006 CONF MTG - 6100r � CffY OF FRIDLEY CITY COUNCIL CONFERENCE MEETING May IS, Zoo6 - 7:0o p.m. Fridley Municipal Center Meeting Room s (Lower Level� Landscape Maintenance Ordinance. 2. Utility Rate Proposal. 3. Purchase of Passenger Van. 4. Other Business. Adjourn. � � q'TY OF FRIDLEY AGENDA ITEM COUNCIL CONFERENCE MEETING OF MAY 15, 2006 Date: May 11, 2006 Q To: William Burns, City Manager]� ��+ + �� From: Scott Hickok, Community Development Director Julie Jones, Planning Coordinator Rachel Harris, Environmental Planner Subject: An Ordinance to Repeal Ch. 105 Weeds and Rewrite as Ch. 105 Landscape Maintenance (TA 05-08) M-06-58 INTRODUCTtON On December 12, 2005, City Council held a public hearing for text amendment TA #05-08 regarding landscape maintenance. This text amendment was one of severa! that were a product of years of study related to the Springbrook Watershed Grant Project, where the City committed to analyzing and improving our codes to protect storm water quality and quantity. To complete the code review portion of the Springbrook Watershed Project, staff needed the Council to act on this text amendment. Without that step, staff would be unable to complete the projecYs final report due May 29, 2006. On April 24, 2006, Council did act on the proposed text amendment by denying the previous version of Chapter 105, Landscape Maintenance. On May 8, 2006, Council made a formal motion to bring back the ordinance for reconsideration after an opportunity to informally discuss components of the ordinance at their May 15, 2006 Work Session. In preparation for the May 15, 2006 work session discussion, staff has outlined a summary of the differences from the current Chapter 105, Weeds, and the proposed Chapter 105 Landscape Maintenance. Please read below. Definitions The new section 105 creates a definition section that was lacking from the previous version. Mowinq In the new Chapter 105, the lawn mowing provisions of the ordinance have been simplified, yet still maintain the 10 height limit. The proposed Ch 105 sets parameters for natural landscape areas whereas the current code does not address this. Intervention bv Citv This section has been reworded to better match the City's existing abatement and assessment procedures. ` Protection of Waterwavs The proposed Chapter 105 creates a new Protection of Waterways section. In addition to proper landscape maintenance, staff is proposing that all property owners in the City of Fridley must protect surface water quality through three following measures. 105.1.A. Leaves Near Waterways The intention is to lawfully prevent people from raking leaves into the waterways. Decomposing leaves leach phosphorous into the waterways and storm sewer drains. Phosphorous contributes to nutrient buildup in the waterways that leads to algae growth in our fakes. While such a measure would be difficult for staff to enforce, each year the city gets complaints from residents witnessing such activity. 105.1.6. Leaves In the Street The intention of this section is to lawfully prevent people from raking leaves into the streets. Each fall the City hears several complaints about residents who intentionally rake or blow leaves into the street without cleaning them up. The Planning Division staff has helped the Public Works Division address this problem by sending out code compliance letters to residents. However, staff does not have Code language to enforce compliance. 105.1.C. Chemical Application This language comes directly from State Statute and the addition of this language would allow staff to address a complaint. Staff has responded to Council's comments at the April 24, 2006 First Reading and removed language referring to buffer strips and gutter downspouts. STAFF RECOMMENDATION City Staff recommends that the Council review and comment on the modifications attached on proposed ordinance TA #05-08. �'� ORDINANCE NO. �� ��c�-�1 �l �� � _ � AN ORDINANCE REPEALING CHAPTER 105 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE 105. LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE 105.01. PURPOSE The purpose of this section of City Code is to establish minimum standards for landscape maintenance and to protect surface water quality by allowing natural areas where they can benefit water quality throughout the City. 105.02. DEFINITIONS 1. Designated Natural Area An area of native plants that has never been disturbed or an area intentionally planted with native perennial vegetation greater than ten (10) inches in height that has an edged border separating it from areas of turf grass. 2. Garden A cultivated area dedicated to the growing of vegetables, fruit, flowers, perennials, shrubs, and similar plants that were specifically planted in that location and common weeds are not the predominant vegetation. 3. Landscape The area of a parcel of land that is not covered with an impervious surface. 4. Lot A parcel of land adjacent to a street or road , including the right-of-way between the property and the curb. 5. Noxious Weeds Includes both prohibited noxious weeds and secondary noxious weeds as defined by the State of Minnesota. Department of Agriculture. (Note: this dces not include dandelions) 6. Ordinary High Water Level Minnesota State Statute 103G.005, subdivision 14 defines ordinary high water level as the boundary of waterbasins, watercourses, public waters, and public waters wetlands, and: (1) the ordinary high water level is an elevation delineating the highest water level that has been maintained for a sufficient period of time to leave evidence upon the landscape, commonly the point where the natural vegetation changes from predominantly aquatic to predominantly terrestrial; (2) for watercourses, the ordinary high water level is the elevation of the top of the bank of the channel; and � (3) for reservoirs and flowages, the ordinary high water level is the operating elevation of the normal summer pool. 7. Waterway Any body of water that receives storm water runoff, including wetlands, lakes, ponds, streams, rivers, and reservoirs. Shall not include water flowing on streets, or pooling for less than 24 hours on private property after a rain event. 105.03. REQUIRED MAINTENANCE Landscape areas of all properties must be maintained by the owner to be free of noxious weeds. CYround cover, except for trees and shrubs, in landscaped areas may not exceed ten (10) inches in average height except for gardens and designated natural areas. Designated natural areas which do not need to be edged include: Drainage ponds, ditches, lakeshore areas, parks, 3 to 1 or greater slopes, streambanks, vacant lots, wetlands, or wooded areas. Landscaped areas must be kept free of litter. Vegetation shall not be permitted to be overgrown or encroach onto adjacent properties. Failure to comply is a nuisance. 105.04 INTERVENTION BY THE CITY If the provisions of Secrion 105.03 are not complied with, the City Manager or his/her designee shall give written notice to the owner of the property in violation. If the property owner fails to bring the violating property into compliance with Section 105.03 within the rime specified or if the owner of the property cannot be located, designated City staff shall have the landscape brought into compliance and invoice the property owner for the cost of such service and abatement administrative cost. If the property owner fails to pay the invoiced cost within 30 days, the invoiced cost of these services and an additiona125% assessment fee will be certified to Anoka County and assessed to the property's taxes. 105.05. PROTECTION OF WATERWAYS 1. In addition to proper landscape maintenance, all property owners in the City of Fridley must protect surface water quality through the following measures: A. No person is permitted to deposit leaves, grass clippings, or other plant waste within twenty- five (25) feet of a waterway or ten (10) feet of a bluffline, whichever is greater. B. No person is permitted to deposit or store yard wastes of any kind, except as permitted in Chapter 113, in a public right of way. C. Extreme care must be taken to prevent landscape fertilizers, pesticides, and herbicides from falling on a paved surface. Any applied granular landscape fertilizer, pesticide, or herbicide must be swept from any paved surfaces immediately upon completion of application as specif ed in State Statutes. Commercial lawn care product applicators must post public notification signs when lawn care products are applied. No person shall remove such signs for 48 hours, as required by law. 1050.06. PENALTIES Any violation of this Chapter is a misdemeanor and is subject to all penalties provided for such violations under the provisions of Chapter 901 of this Code. Each day that the violation exists or continues to exist shall be deemed a separate offense. � � t� y v�;� ���1 �����-�[��c� ORDINANCE NO. � � C� �`13-�'� � �'-`� AN ORDINANCE REPEALING CHAPTER 105 OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE PERTAINING TO LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE The City Council of the City of Fridley hereby finds, after review, examination and recommendation of staff, that the Fridley City Code be hereby amended as follows: Section 1: That Section 105 of the Fridley City Code be hereby repealed as follows: � ne=.o, ��ag� �ef . 397) � � � . • _ � • . � . • � n� i1T�, T� _ , , � � � I • . � ' - �- - - - - - - - - - _- - �• - - - Section 2: That Section 105 of the Fridley City Code be hereby renamed Landscape Maintenance and amended as follows: 105. LANDSCAPE MAINTENANCE 105.01. PURPOSE The purpose of this section of Citv Code is to establish minimuxn standards for landscane maintenance and to protect surface water Qualitv bv allowin� natural azeas where thev can benefit water aualitv throu�hout the Citv. 105.02. DEFI1vITIONS 1. Desi�nated Natural Area An area of native plants that has never been disturbed or an area intentionallv planted with native perennial veQetation �reater than ten (10) inches in hei�ht that has an ed�ed border separatin� it from areas of turf �rass. 2. Garden A cultivated area dedicated to the �'owins of ve�etables fruit flowers perennials, shrubs, and similarplants that were suecificallv ulanted in that location and common weeds are not the predominant ve et� ation• 3. Landscane The area of a parcel of land that is not covered with an impervious surface. 4. Lot A parcel of land adiacent to a street or road including the riQht-of-wav between the uronertv and the curb. 5. Noxious Weeds Includes both prohibited noxious weeds and second�rv noxious weeds as defined bv the State of Minnesota Department of Agriculture. (Note: this does not include dandelions) 6. Ordinarv Hieh Water Level Minnesota State Statute 103G 005 subdivision 14 defines ordinary hi�h water level as the boundarv of waterbasins watercourses public waters and public waters wetlands and: (1) the ordinarv high water level is an elevation delineatin� the hi�hest water level that has been maintained for a sufficient period of time to leave evidence upon the ., landscape, commonlv the point where the natural vegetation chan�es from predominantl�quatic to predominantly terrestrial; �2) for watercourses, the ordinarv hi�h water level is the elevation of the top of the bank of the channel; and (3) for reservoirs and flowages, the ordinarv hi�h water level is the operatin� elevation of the normal summer pool. 7. Waterwav Anv bodv of water that receives storm water runoff, includin� wetlands, lakes, ponds, streams, rivers and reservoirs Shall not include water flowing on streets, or nooling for less than 24 hours on private propertv after a rain event. 105.03. REQiTIItED MAINTENANCE Landscave areas of all properties must be maintained bv the owner to be free of noxious weeds. Ground cover exceut for trees and shrubs in landscaped areas mav not exceed ten (10) inches in avera�e heiQht excent for �ardens and designated natural areas Desi�nated natural areas which do not need to be edQed include• Drainage ponds ditches lakeshore areas uarks 3 to 1 or �reater slopes streambanks vacant lots wetlands or wooded areas. Landscaped areas must be keut free of litter. VeQetation shall not be permitted to be overgrown or encroach onto adiacent urouerties Failure to comnly is a nuisance. 105.04 INTERVENTION BY THE CITY If the provisions of Section 105 03 are not complied with the Citv Mana¢er or his/her designee shall �ive written notice to the owner of the propertv in violation. If the nrouertv owner fails to brins the violatin� property into comnliance with Section 105.03 within the time specified or if the owner of the vrouertv cannot be located designated Citv staff shall have the landscane brou�ht into compliance and invoice the propertv owner for the cost of such service and abatement administrative cost. If the uropertv owner fails to pav the invoiced cost within 30 davs the invoiced cost of these services and an additiona125% assessment fee will be certified to Anoka Countv and assessed to the pronertv's taxes. 105.05. PROTECTION OR WATERWAYS 1. In addition to nrover landscane maintenance all pronertv owners in the Citv of Fridlev must protect surface water aualitv throu�h the followin� measures: A. No person is vernutted to devosit leaves erass clivninQS or other plant waste within twentv- five (25) feet of a waterwav or ten (10) feet of a bluffline, whichever is Qreater. B. No nerson is permitted to deuosit or store vard wastes of anv kind, except as nermitted in Chanter 113, in a public ri�ht of wav. C. Extreme care must be taken to prevent landscape fertilizers uesticides and herbicides from fallin� on a paved surface Anv avplied Qranular landscane fertilizer vesticide or herbicide must be swent from anv naved surfaces immediatelv upon completion of apvlication as �ecified in State Statutes. Commercial lawn care uroduct applicators must vost public notification si¢ns when lawn care products are annlied No verson shall remove such siQns for 48 hours, as required bv law. • - - - -: _- - - = - � _ � �� 'J. � � � _ _ _ •�•l1'J� _ . � � _� _ _ _ _ _ � _ _ _ _ _ _ � _ � � _ � :J1f � � � � _ _ ��r1'I� __ � �� ��i��. . � - � ' � � ;�y:.�: � � _ � � .�"""��:��ii�-�• � � .•s - ' - ' � � � -� - - - __ 1050.06. PENALTIES Anv violation of this Chanter is a misdemeanor and is subiect to all penalties nrovided for such violations under the provisions of Chanter 901 of this Code. Each dav that the violation exists or continues to exist shall be deemed a seQarate offense. PASSED AND ADOPTED BY THE CTTY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF FRIDLEY THIS DAY OF , 200_. ATTEST: Debra A. Skogen, City Clerk Public Hearing: December 12, 2005 First Reading: May 8, 2006 Second Reading: Publication: Scott J. Lund, Mayor � William W. Burns � M E M O R A N D t,l M City Manager q1Y OF FRIDLEY Memo to: The Mayor and Council n, From: William W. Burns, City Manager��Y Subject: Utility Rate Proposal Date: May 11, 2006 On May 2, a group of City staff inet to discuss the City's utility rate dilemma. The pa.rticipants included Rick Pribyl, Jack Kirk, Jon Haukaas, A1 Folie, Mike Jeziorski , Deb Skogen and me. We focused on the attached outline. We began by examining answers to the three questions that appear at the top of the outline. All agreed that the utility costs associated with our street improvement projects were contributing to the annual operating deficits to the extent that they were being depreciated in each of the annual operating budgets. It was also recognized that the water, sewer and storm water improvements associated with the street improvement projects (valued at $584,517 for 2007) were needed repairs for an infrastructure that is forty to fifty years old. We also recognized that the larger impact of these improvements was on cash reserves rather than on the operating deficits. Other contributors to what amounts to $250,000 a year in operating deficits include declining interest rates on declining cash reserves, and long established pattern of not raising rates to levels that matched operating costs. We have also seen some very healthy cost increases in recent years that are associated with non-street related capital costs. Moreover, our budget imbalance reflects flat to slightly declining water usage patterns that mirror the decline of our more traditional industrial economy. Having looked at causes for the operating deficits, we looked at remedies. These include asking our voters to approve either single year or multiple year rate increase. Alternatively, we could ask voters to remove the Charter restriction again as well as ask for the rate increase. We might also forget the rate increase and focus on another Charter change. A new approach to the Charter change might be to ask the voters to raise the ceiling rather than eliminate the restriction, as Al Stahlberg has suggested to me. After much discussion, it was the consensus of the group that we seek a two-year rate increase that is sufficient to bring our operating budgets into balance. Coincidentally, that is also the recommendation of the City's Charter Commission (see attached minutes). Next we addressed preparation and strategy. All of the participants felt that it was to he City's advantage to pass the required resolution and ballot language as quickly as possible. This gives a citizen's committee sufficient time to organize. It also signals the importance of the issue to the City. All of the participants felt that it was important to keep the ballot language as simple as possible. Additionally, they thought we should look at framing the question in terms of cost per 1000 gallons of usage rather than in terms of percentage. Another suggestion was that the ballot language reflects that we're striving to "break even." Jon Haukaas suggested the following ballot language: Utility Rate Proposal May 1 l, 2006 Page 2 "Do you approve a two-year increase in utility rates to break even and cover actual expenses in 2007 and 2008 to 8 cents per 1,000 gallons for water,l2 cents per 1,000 gallons for sewer and 5 cents per residential property unit for storm water purposes." The participants also recognize that we need to conform to legal requirements of campaigning for a ballot issue. Within this requirement, they believe that we should work hard to identify infortnation that would help to energize a strong, vibrant campaign committee as well as the voters. A sampling of their message related suggestions include the following: • We are passing the costs for our utility systems onto our children. � Emphasize that low rates are subsidizing high-end users. • Deficits are making the operation of our utility systems more expensive. • Emphasize that water and sewer system maintenance is a public health and welfare issue and not simply a convenience. • Ask them how important they think the quality of water is to them. • Emphasize the low rates that Fridley charges in comparison to other cities. • Emphasis the size of our operating loss over the last five years. • Find ways to tell our citizens how responsible rate setting will make them better off than they are today. Finally, the participants pointed out that we should seek to inspire a youthfial, energetic committee as early as possible that would be willing to engage in the following activities: • GOTV (Get Out The Vote) phone calling. • Develop short list of frequent voters for calling and mailing purposes. • Conduct some polling to find out where people currently stand and what they might support or oppose. • Use catchy brochures and mailings that require attention of 30 seconds or less. • Avoid fanning the flames of the potential opposition. • Put out yard signs in late October. As we discuss the utility rate issue on Monday we would recommend that you give us your feedback on these ideas and in particular that you authorize to come forward with a resolution and ballot language for the June 12 Council meeting. Charter Limitations - Utility Rates 1. Questions 1. To what egtent is annual operating deficit a function of spending for street improvement projects? 2. Our c6anges in budgeted eapenditures are minimal. How is it t6at we keep running $250,000 d�cits? 3. During t6e 90's we hardly ever had a rate increase and we survived. Since the Charter limitation, we've had an increase every year and are in a worse financi�l situation th�n ever. How do we eaplain this? 2. Potential remedies for the operating deficits. 1. Voter approved rate increase of 18-19•/. • 1�pe A rate change: a multiple year c6ange. •�pe B rate change: single year rate change. 2. Voter approved rate increase and Charter c6ange. 3. Charter change: • 1�pe A Charter c6ange : ask voters to eliminate t6e restrictioa altogether. • Type B Charter change: R�ise t6e limit to aay 10°/. 3. Preparation for what ever we do: A. Timing for referenda B. Form citizen committee C. Mailings to frequent voters. D. Cable television s6ows E. Presentations to community groups and organizations. F. Lettera to t6e editor G. Telephone calls/visitations H. Do not6ing CITY OF FRIDLEY CHARTER COMMISSION MEETiNG Apri124, 2006 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Jorgenson called the Charter Commission meeting to order at 7:05 p.m ROLL CALL: Members Present: Braam, Findell, Hoiby, Jorgenson, Linder, Reynolds Members Absent: Borman, Fitzpatrick, Gordon, Holm, Soule, VanDan Others Present: Deb Skogen, City Clerk/Staff Liaison APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Commissioner Braam MOVED and Commissioner Linder seconded a morion to approve the agenda. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON JORGENSON DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANII�IOUSLY. APPROVAL OF FEBRUARY 27. 2006 CHARTER COMMISSION MINUTES: Commissioner Braam MOVED and Commissioner Linder seconded a motion to approve the February 27, 2006 Charter Cominission Minutes. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON JORGENSON DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 1. ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS A. Vacancies The Commission reviewed the applications and discussed putting together a questionnaire for further informarion. It was determined that the following five questions would be asked: 1. Would you be available for winter meetings (the months of January through May)? 2. If you are appointed, what would your expectations be? 3. Does your job require travel, especially at the end of the month or the 4�' Monday of the month? 4. Why would you want to be on the Charter Commission, what could you bring to the table? 5. Are you familiar with what the City Charter is? 6. Is there anything else or any other comments you would like to share with the Commission? Staff was instructed to send a letter and quesrionnaire to the applicants requested a reply by May 9�`. After the questionnaires are returned, the nominating committee will review the applications and make a recommendation at the next meeting. The Committee will consist of Peter Borman, Carol Hoiby, Bill Holm and Don Findell. B. Election of Officers Chairperson Jorgenson reviewed the nominating committee report and opened the floor for further nominations. Receiving none, Commissioner Findell MOVED and Commissioner Hoiby seconded a motion to close the nominarions and elect the officers nominated by the Nominating Committee. CHARTER COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 24, 2006 PAGE 2 UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON JORGENSON DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE OFFICERS WERE ELECTED AS FOLLOWS: Nancy Jorgenson, Chair; Peter Borman; Vice Chair and Cindy Soule, Secretary. 2. DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE RATE INCREASE OUESTION Chairperson Jorgenson asked staff if the City Council had decided to adopt a quesrion for the voters to increase the utility rates. Staff said that they are in budget discussions, but at this time there was no formal proposal. If there was a question, would the increase be a specific increase or an increase over and above the rate of inflation or 5%, whichever was lower. Commissioner Reynolds said an election could be held for a rate increase every two years, but wondered if a quesrion could include a two year rate increase, ie, 9% +ri/5% for the fust year and 11% + ri/5% the second year. Chairperson Jorgenson wondered if the increase would be the same for all utiliries. Corrunissioner Reynolds thought it would be much more difficult to try to pass a question with different rates, it would be too hard to understand. Corrunissioner Findell said he did not want to micro-manage the city. He said staff was appointed for their lrnowledge and expertise to provide recommendations to the city council. The Coxnmission then discussed administrarive costs in each fund. Commissioner Reynolds wanted to laiow what $700,000 in water would be used for. Chairperson Jorgenson said the City was redoing their infrastruchue and that part of the funds were allocated to that. Commissioner Reynolds said she had researched bond ratings and felt the likelihood of an entity going bankrupt was very rare. She did not understand how using the reserves would cause the bond rating to go down. Chairperson Jorgenson said that previously the city had up to five years of savings to pay for projects and administrarive costs. Due to using the reserves, however, the city now only has up to 6 months of savings. She said that the City of Cambridge had to file banlQUptcy because they sold too many bonds for their infrastructure expecting more development. The development did not happen and there weren't enough taxpayers to help pay for the bonds. Comxnissioner Hoiby asked if the City Council was looking for a recommendation from the Charter Commissioner. Chairperson Jorgenson said they usually discuss and make final recommendations at their June meeting after the legislature has adjourned. Further discussion ensued regarding what increase they could recommend and it was decided that they did not think they had the authority to come up with a rate, but rather maybe make a recommendation that they agree and increase is necessary and provide support to the city council to help get the increase passed. The liquor store was briefly discussed as Commissioner Hoiby said that Holiday is expected to redevelop or remodel the current Cub building. Chairperson Jorgenson suggested going to the voters with a mulri-year increase (4 years) similar to that of the school districts to provide a track record that the city did try to increase the rates. Commissioner Hoiby said she did not feel qualified to recommend a specific percentage increase, but agreed to support the City Council if they did request a question with a rate increase to the voters. CHARTER COMMISSION MEETING OF APRIL 24, 2006 PAGE 3 Commissioner Reynolds said that if they do try to sell this to the voters, they should take into consideration that cities do not all bill the same way for their services, for instance garbage is included in several cities and the rate structure is different. Commissioner Braam MOVED and Commissioner Findell seconded a morion letting the City Council lrnow the Commission is in agreement that something needs to be done given the circumstances and requesting the City Council suggest a jusrifiable figure the Commission could review and discuss for their next meeting to endorse. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON JORGENSON DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED. The Commissioner continued to discuss rate increases and whether to put a band-aid on the funds or help provide more money for the funds to break-even or cover costs of providing the services. ADJOURNMENT: Commissioner Findell MOVED and Commissioner Braam seconded a motion to adjourn the meeting. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON JORGENSON DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED AND THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED AT 8:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Debra A. Skogen, Kathieen Linder, Secretary City C1erWStaff Liaison Parks and Recreation Department ��� To: Witi'ram W. Bums Ci r� , �Y �� � From: Jack Kirk, Dire�for of Parks and Recreation .�,�Y Date: April 25, 2�6 Re: Passenger Van Purchase As a follow up to our discussion of last week about possibly purchasing a replacement passenger van this year, I am providing some information on the projected status of our 2006 budget. While we have only gone through approximately one third of this budget year, our Recreation Division budget appears to be in very good shape. We have currently spent 23°rb of our budget and the normal for this sfage of the year is 33%. The Recreation Division does have a larger percentage of expenditures through the summer program months of May through August, however, I do expect that we will be under our budget allocation at the end of this year. In addition to staying under our budget for the year, 1 would expect that the Recxeation programs will bring in a little more revenue than the budgeted target amount. We have done so in each of the past two years and I believe that we are on track for that to happen this year as weli. If we were to purchase a repfacement van this year, I am cor�fident that the cost of the van will be at least offset by the amourrt of the budget savings in the Recreation Division budget and the additional revenue expected from the programs.