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REGULAR COUNCII. MSETING 0� AUGU5T 20, 1973
MEETING DATES
MO�TDAY IN
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MOTION by Councxlman Nee that threa mee4ings be set in September for Sep mb
la, 17, and 24. Seconded by Councilman IItter. Upon a voice vote, al otin
aye, Mayor iaebl declared the motion carried uaanimoualy.
APPROVAT. OF LETTER SCHEDULING MLETING WTTH JOHN BOLADID CHA METROPOLIT.
COUNCIL:
Aiscussiou took place and the meeting with Mr. John Bol was scheduled for
September 17, I973.
OF THE CITY TO
MOTTON by Councilman Utter to send C�
Natxonal League of Cxti.ea Convention
through the 6th, 1973 for a maximum �
Couacilman Nee. Upon a voace vote ,
motion carried unan�usly.
COt711IJNICATI0N5 •
OF CITIES
i�a6an Bzeider and Mayor Liebl to the
�an Jvan, Puerto Rieo, December 2
of $4a0 per person. Seconded bq
voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the
Ok' NEW
HOTION by Council Qtter to receive the com�uaicatioa from Northern States
Power Company, da d, August 8, 1973. Secoaded by Couacilman Starwalt.
UpoA a voice vo , all votiag aye, Mayor Lieb1 declared the motion carried
unaninnously.
MOTIO y Councilman Utter to receive the com��nication from the Ben More
Dri fam�.liea expressing their appreciation for the inetallatlon of the
s eet light at 62nd and Ben More Drive. Seconded by Councilmaa Nee. IIpon
voice vote, all votin$ aye� Mayor I,iebl declared the motioa carried unaaimously.
JOHN DOYLB:
Mr. Doyle's Attoruey, Jeff Carsoa, was present and thay were proposiag that an
amendmeat to the City zouing ordinance be mada to a,llow seal estate uses ia &—I by
by a epacial uee pezmit. Quite a bat of discusaioa followed with some of the
residents making their opiniona felt as aimilar to whaC had been in the past,
the fact that Mrs. Gerber commented thaC the neigh'bora ara not aecessarily agaiast
the use, but they are against the rezoning and thay would like the person wha is
running the businesa to at least live there. TE�ey were aot pleased with the
proposal no�r, any more than they were the last time it wae brought before the
Council.
M.ayor Liebl su�ed up the comments of the people who were at the rezoning
meetwg hearings, the neighbors were opposed to the rezoning, but not the use.
There was no opposition to the individual livi.ng there and doing business.
MOTTON by Councilman Nee to refer this matter to the Plann�.ng Caamiesion for
review. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upoa s voice vote, all votuig aye,
Mapor Liebl declared the motion carried unan3mously.
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Mayor and Councilmen
Cit�► of Fridley
6431 Universi.ty Ave. NE
Mpls., MN 55�32
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Ref: Property at 6305 Fast River Roaa
6305 E. River Roa.d
Minneapo]_is, MN 55�32
Au�ust 13, 1973
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In the spring of i972 �. rez�ning to CR-1 wa,s requested on the above
property and at the objection of the neighbors was �enied. Tk:e in-
tended , use .of the groperty wa.s for a local small �teal, Fstate office.
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At the final hearin� on the subject a hand poll �ras ta.ken by the
Mayor of Fri3ley and the people felt tha � they z•rere afrai�: of re-
zoning, however, they sta.ted by a showing of hands tha� they did �ot
ob ject to �rh�,t I had pr�; e:~ed � to do with the groperty.
Therefore I resi:ect�'u11y request that you chan,e ar,.d amend the city
onl.inance an R-1 propertf to allow the city council to entertain
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and issue a specia]. use perriit aTlo:•rir;� a Rea1 Estat� office in a
Resid�ntial nei�hborhoc�d at the discretion of the city cot:ncil.
If I may be of fuxther servic�, pleas� feel fxee to call me.
S cerely
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John R. Doyle
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P.S. Would it be possible.to get permission to operatP as
a Real Estate Office during the time that it es to process
this application and zoning amendments-?
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Plannirr� Commission Meeting - August 22, 1973 Page 13
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Mr. David Harris said he was erned about the first
stipulation. He sGid hE: kne e intent of this stipulation,
but he didn't want it m' onstrued that he was responsible in
determining the dra' ge an� storm sewers for this area. Vice
Chairman Harris id it was shown in the minutes that the City
had to dete 'ne this beforE development. They just want this
brou�t the Council's attention.
3. / REQUEST BY JOHN DOYLE (6305 EAST RIVER ROAD)
' Mr. Clar.k said that on the previous Monday night (August 20,
1973) Mr. Doyle had appeared before the City Council asking that
a real estate office be allowed in an R-1 District with a Special
Use Permit. The Council has referred this to the Planning Commission.
Last year Mr. Doyle requested a change in zoning from R-1 to
CR-l. This was denied by Council and the people in the area were
very opposed to this rezoning but indicated they had no objection
to Mr. Doyle continuing his business without rezoning. Mr. Doyle
has requested that he be allowed to continue as he is during the
time it would take to change the zoning ordinance to allow a
real estate office in an R-1 District with a Special Use Permit.
Mr. Drigans s�:id he thought the Planning Commission should
have copiec o�' thE: City Council minutes before they could consi�er
this request.
Mr. Clark s�aid a real estate office woul.d be allowed in an
R-1 area if the home was used as a residence and only people who
lived in the home worked for the real estate company. This is what
our home occupation code states. Mr. Doyle does not use this home
for a residence, only for his business, and has outside help
employed.
The staff feels that if this is allowed under a Special Use
Permit, we are going to be asked for a lot of similar uses.
�Mr. Drigans asked if Mr. Doyle was continuing to operate at
this time. Mr. Clark sGid Clarence Belisle had s.topped there and
hE: said he was not operating as yet.
Mr. Harris asked how this would fit in with the comprehensive
plan. Mr. Clark said the recommendation was for a townhouse devel-
opment in this area, no commercial.
Vice Chairman Harris said to put this on the agenda for their
next meeting.
F APPEALS SECRETARY
Mr. Drigans said tha 1 30th meeting with the City
Council there had been discussior. of pro ' h various committees.
He sai� that at the August 14, 1973 meeting of the of Appeals
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ANOKA COUNTY
6431 UNIVERSITY AVENUE NE September 11, 1973 FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 55421
John Doyle
6305 East River Roac' N.E.
Fri�ley, Minnesota 55432
Re: Real Estate Office at 6305 East River Road
Dear Mr. Doyle:
This is to confirm our September llth telephone con-
versati.on wherein we discussed your request to change the
zoning ordinance .i.n order that you may request something
othe:r than rezoning.
It is my understanding that your attorney was to meet
with our City Attorney to research the possible ways to
dispose of this item.
I have placed this itE:m on the September 12th agenda,
therefore, I urge that you try to prepare something for
the Planning Commission to study for further action.
DC/de
cc: Virgil Herrick,
• City Attorney
Sincerely,
DARREL CLARK
Community Development Administrator
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Planninq Commission �eeting - September 12, 1973 Page 4
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PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIVEBATION OF A REQUEST FOR
USE PERMI`�', SP #73-QS, BY dOHI� JOHNSTON: To p
an�. truck rental c�n Lots 9 and 11 of Auditor'
No. 94, V�ith exceptions, per Fridley City de
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mit trailer
Subdivision
45.1Q1. Section
Mr. Clark said the petitioner has bee asked twice for a
letter withdrawing this request, which w have not received.
He did call on the phone and say he wa withdrawing this petition
�P���,`e hP ; � m��r? n�; -frr�m �hi.s ���� ' z� so �as no .need �Dr �ne
Special Use Per.mit.
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USE F�r^ru'�iIT� SP•r"r73-09� B" OPEN RO'�-3D INDUSTRIES: TC pC�:Ctit
a sales and service bu' dinq for recreational vehicles on
part of_ Lots 11 and 1, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, being
parcels 2210 an�. 240 , per Fridl�y City Ccde 45.101, r,. Th°
same being �500 Ce ral Avenue N.E.
Mr. Fitzpatrick sked cahat this request was for. Mr. Clark
s��:� i� �f:�� Lt� se� �:�� s�rtTice rQc?-e� �� c�.�l ��e�.��l�s ���a��� ��
i^:�ne�agcs, o±�,
Tr2 f,�l-�Air aA� ��ihan thal� heLtC�rht ithi G�?'CnET'�v ��'OTit Ts�Y"<?At
there wa.s a venant that would prevent anyone from building any
buildir,g t t V�culd obstruct. the vieE•r of Embers from I. 694. Th? s
was a pri te restriction put on by Embers at iYie time the property
was purc�ased by 1'axget. �i�ne petitioner is Lrying to geL tne
covena less restrictive, but rather than have the Planning
�c��_n_mi sican. keep continui.na this item, has sent a letter withdrawinq
the etition at this time, and if the legal problem can be taken
�ca of, wii� reapply at a later ciate.
4. REQUEST BY JOHN DO�'LE, 6305 East River Roa�i
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Mr, .Tr,hn i�ny i F wa� nYP_SP_1l'�
Nlr. Clark said this item was beiore the Cauncil on August 20,
n'� ,a �F .3 1-,� »�yl `n lhn Dl ann n LmTt}���i C�T?� AS
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Mr. Qureshi were supposed to get together al.ternate routes that
��uld be taxen }i:o dis�ose of �;r. Dayle's request. Mr. Doyle's
attorney is doing some researcn butr�ei�he�:� atLOrne� has any thin�
in wri�ing tnis evening.
�Mr. Nasim Qureshi said Mr. Doyle's attorney has discussed a
number of proposals and one of them was to allow this use as a
"temporary use unzii a varid���e caii i�e o��air�eu. �i�. ner�icn has
�aid that this use �hould not be alloVaed under a variance and it
�houid be rezoned. Mr. Doyle's attorney has said there have been
ra�PG a]l�wina.this use wi.th a variance. Mr. Qureshi said he was
sure the Planning Commission was familiar with the history of this
case. A1JOUt a year aCJO l�ir. IJVY1� aSiteCi ivi i�GVii:iii� vi �liiS r.i^vN°
���- j, ��� .� t th:a t t 3 r_3� ;��- �.a�_� ���Q�3 ��� :��th th� p J�.nni�g �g�nm.� ssi_an
and �he Louncil.
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Chairman Fitzpatrick said it states in Mr. Doyle's letter
�f �,ugu�t 13, i97s zn�t aiL'nougn Lh� rieighb��� p�Liti�nea againsL
the rezoning, at an intormal po11 at the City �ouncil level there
wasn't objection from the neighbors of his continuing his real
estate h�ici necc Gri tr��tt r�Znni n�. Mr, Fitzratrick S�ZC� �'?e 6:��:'? ��
at the Council meeting, but there was a 1ot of objection to this
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Everett Utter, Councilman-At-Large, said it was so stated in the
Council minutes that the neighbors didn't object to Mr. Doyle
��]i��-i,,,�i�� h� G Y117G11'jPS� � f th2 x�a}"n���'ty w���1't rezon�d.
Mr. Doyle said he just found out the day before this meeting
that his item was on the agenda tonight, and it was too short of
a iiv�ii:c ivi lii� a4�vii.�� wiiv iiaCa' NicJZGuS CviiiIiii�ii�8ii'�S. I�8 WdS
requesting that this item be continued until the meeting of October
3rd meetinq so his attornev had time to prepare a presentation.
Mr. Utter said Mr. Doyle was at the Council meeting when this
request was referred to the Flanning Commission sc this �ras not a
surprise to him.
Mr. Utter said because Mr� Doyle does not live in this home,
he didn't see any way that this could be allowed with a Special
Use Permit in an R-1 area.
Chai�izan Fitzpatrick asked if Mr. Utter was objecting to the
Planning Commission hearing this item at all.
Mr, Utter sa?d ?n � way he w�s. He said Mr. Doyle has ��ked
for rezcning, which :�as �eer� denied. He is askirg for an ordinarce
change so that this can be allowed in an R-1 area with a Special
Use Permit. This would be opening a pandora's box because it would
�iP �1 1 qy,�i nc� C i2-1 Ylll$l Y1PS$P$ i n t.hP resic�erlt.-i al aTe�s thr.otlghout the
City. We have land zoned commerical in Fridley, and I want the
commercia� business to be in these areas.
Mr. Harris said he was opposed to letting this business operate
under a variance. I think this is p�rverting the law. I think this
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llld.LL�:C $iiC�U1u rJe. 5�LL1CU 1J►1�:� uiiu ivt dlt. LCI. S iiv� 1:1�111.11Z1.LC �v
keep dragging the neighbors in here to protect their rights. I'm
opposed to tryinq to skirt the zoning ordinance. .
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then the entire area should be zoned CR-1, so we don't have spot
rezoning. He said that according to the comprehensive plan, this
is a changing area, so if any rezoning were to be done, the neigh-
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uvi S Siivuiu y c � vy c �iic.�. aiiu i cZviic �.i72 �ii �iie ?aL 3.
Chairman Fitzpatr.ick said this was considered a changing area
because of the various requests that have come in for this area.
Mr. Claxk said th� guiue line of th� eomprehensive plan was
for high density housing, which will still keep the area in resi-
dent�al use, not cQmmercial.
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Mr. Harris said he was noi aginst home occupations, but this
does not fall into that category because Mr. Doyle does not live
in the home.
Mr. Clark said the Council wants input from the Planning
(`pmm�gg�nn ThA U1 ann�nr-r rnmmi cg�nn ran � t ni ��a anv �nrn�f iin�hi 1
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we hear from NIr. Doyle's attorney and the City Attorney.
Mr. Harris said he feels we have the machinery in which to
operate. This propery is zoned R-1 and I don't see how we can
recommend a variance when we have zoning laws.
Mr. Clark said the P�anning Commi�sion isn`t being asJceci
for a variance or if this should have a zoning change so it can
be allow�d ir� an R-1 area. Th2 Council wants to know if you can
recor,►�«end any other way to handle �his request.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said he didn't think the Planning Commission
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. wr�at the Caun�i� wanted wher� they recomu�nende� this to the Plannin�
Commzssion.
Mr. Utter said it was just recommended to the Planning
Commission. `I'he Council couidn`t come to any decision, and I
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ica.t_.t.Y uvi�i t, occ atvw t.iac s iuiiiaiiay -�.vaiui.i�oivia vuii �.i�ii�i . ii� v�°a�-v
he agree3 with Mr. Harris that this was R-1 zoning and we are
waiting for a decision by tr,e attornev`s to find some way to
sneak around this zoning.
I�ir . Doyle said �riat if �Yie at�o� neys d� f ind a soluti�n
for this, he ielt the Council and the Planning Commission were
makina an arbitrary decision by not wai�ing until his attorney
could prepare his findings on this matter. He said his attorney
was an expert on municipal law and he didn't want them to not be
even be willing to listen to wnat he has to say.
Mr. Harris said that as Mr. Doyle's attorney was preparing
a S�i.ct�i.ctiiciL� iic 4v'4iL�Eu }i.v Nic.S°ii� �ilu� .'..` EvL'uiu .^.i:� j�' ..�'.° ��ul� ±�
the petitioner to continue this item as he nas requested.
MOTION by Harris, seconded by Blair, that the Planning
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Road N.E., untiZ October 3, 1973, to allow his attorney sufficient
time to prepare his case. UPON a voice vote, a.Z1 voting, aye,
the motion carr.ied unanimously.
Mr. Clark said Mr. Doyle's attorney would have to convince
our City Attorney that this use could be allowed.
Mr. Lindblad said he felt that this is how some things, that
a_ren'-� alw��ys �n �1-�� best in��rest of the City, happen. Some requests
just go on and on, and the people get disgusted and quit caming ta
the meetings, and without opposition the petition wins approval.
He saici he thought this was unrair to the peopl.e who live in th�.�
area.
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Mr. Doyle said at this time of his rezoning request, the
Council said there was a comprehensive plan being prepared. It
there any action on this?
Mr. Harris said the Council was waiting at the time to see
what the guidelines would be for this area. The comprehensive
plan said this area would lend itself to high density housing.
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i11C �.viiiNicatcaioi`v� t+ uv.,.. L .s
still ha� t� �om� fram the property owner.
Mr. Doyle said he would like to have this request in limbo
until the area is changed to a different use. He said the property
along East River Road is a heavily traveled area. It's between
this heavily traveled road and the railroad tracks. He didn't
think this was condusive to an R-1 area.
Chairmar. Fi}zpatrick sa?d th?s grop�rty was zoned R-1 when
�g_r . ��y�� ��.r_ chas�� the pr�p�rtt� .
- Mrs. Gerald Gerber, 6275 East River Road, said she raised
fiv� �rii.3dren in thi� area �n� �hQ thinks there is dangers na
matter where you live. You just have to teach your children of
the dangers. She said she likes the area the way it is. If this
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areas went to hiqh density housing, .�asL xiver icoaci, Li�e tai���au
tracks and the river would all still be there.
Mr. Clark said when the comprehensive plan said this area
cauld be u�e� for h�.gn �An�ity hausinr-�, this was in the future,
and was a guideline so that with this use there could be controlled
access to East River Road.
ur,-� r..,YAr ra„i � P_ �'� ti 3r� wav N. F., said .she saw no reason
fnr aL�r�h�n �sF?W j.� �h��area at the present time - She likes the caay
it is also.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said that no one from the City is requesting
a change. Th?s request would always have to come from the praperty
o�arers. TY:e comrrehensive p1.ar� is just a guideline for any future
development.
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;��;;� n,��n��iT ,,; �ht ;�;Pntemh��- � 7th. There �aill be a report on how
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whether to allow Mr. Doyle to continue on the small scale he is
operating now on a very L��it�i�razy i�a�i�, uuiiily �iE ��m� `h�*�
Se7P w;i� rP li�tPning to the attorneys to.determine if there is
an alternate route by which this use can be allowed.
Chairman Fitzpatrick said this would be on the Council agenda
S�ptemher 17th as Mr= Clazk mentioned, and on our ac�enda October
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MEMO T0:
MEMO FROM :
SUBJECT:
OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER
FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA
September 14, 1973
Honorable Mayor & City Council
Nasim M. Qureshi
Status Report on the Request by Mr. John Doyle to use
6305 East River Road as a Rea1 Estate Office
In the early part of 1972 Mr. Doyle requested this property be rezoned to
CR-1 to a11ow it to be used as an office building. Denial was recommended by
the Planning Commission on May 3, 1972 and the Council concurred on June 19, I972.
There was a large petition against this request at that time as the City Council
is fully aware.
On �ugust 20, 1973 the Council received a letter from Mr. Doyle requesting
a procedure by which he would be allowed to conduct his real estate business at
this location. He also requested that he be allowed to operate the real estate
business during the time it takes the City to pr�cess his request.
This item was then refexred to the Planning Commi.ssion and discussed at their
meeting of August 22, 1973. They continued it to their meeting of September 12, 1973.
The City did write a letter to Mr. Doyle requesting that someone rapresenting his
interests be present at the Planning Conanission meeting of September 12, 1973. His
attorney was supposed to supply some legal precedent established previously to help
the City to come up with an altexnative method of processing th is request. He did
have one telephone conversation with Mr. Virgil Herrick, but was unable to attend
the meeting of September 12, 1973 coith the Planning Commission due to a previous
commitment.
2'h.is item has been tabled again by the Planning C�mmission to the meeting of
October 3, 1973 at the request of the petitioner. We have received calls from the
neighbors in the area asking whethex Mr. D�y1e has pexmission to conduct his business
n�w. At the present tima he works in the building with a part t3.ma gentleman and a
lady answering the phone. He does have a sma,ll sign on the .top of which it says
"Home Office".
As it is evident, resolution of this item wi11 take a considerable amount of
time. The Counci.l did refer the request to the Planning Gommission, but did not
give a direction to the Aci�ninistration whether they are giving�permission to the
petitioner to conduct his real estate business at this addxess while the request is
being processed thru the City.
I would like a clear direction from the Council t�hether they want the City to
let the gentleman operate until a decision is reached or te1l him that he should
cease operations until approved by the City.
NASIM M. QURESHI
Acting City Manager
NMQ /mh
�ATTACH: Rezoning Request ZOA ��72-04, denied by Planning Commission 5/3/72
, Petition ��b-1972, for xezoning 5/4/72
Petition �k7-1972, against rezoning 5/4/72
Rezoning Request ZOA ��73-04, denied by Council 6/19/72
Letter from J�hn Doyle 8/13/73
Council Appeaxance 8/20/73
Planning Commission Minutes 8/22/73
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 3, 1973
CALL TO ORDER:
Acting Chairman Harris
8:05 P.M. /
ROLL CALL:
d the meeting to order at
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Member resent: Harris, Lindblad, Drigans, Blair
Mem rs Absent: Fitzpatrick
ers Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Adm.
Jerrold Boardman, Planning Assistant
l. CONTINUED: JOHN DOYLE REQUEST FOR A REAL ESTATE OFFICE:
6305 EAST RIVER ROAD
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Mr. John Doyle and Mr. Jeffrey Carson, an attorney representing
Mr. Doyle, were present.
Mr. Carson said he was representing Mr. Doyle and he would
loke to present this request in a form of a memorandum which
states:
"On or about May 3, 1972, John Doyle (d/b/a/ Leigh Investments,
Inc.) presented an application to the Planning Commission for a
rezoning of his pr_operty on 63rd Way and East River Road, Fridley,
Minnesota, to CR-1 class. This culminated in a denial at the
regular Council meeting of June 19, 1972. The feeling was at that
time, however, that people livinc� in the area were not opposed to
the requested use, but were opposed to the rezoning. This was so
indicated in the minutes of both the Commission and the Council.
At the time of the beforementioned hearings, a comprehensive
plan was being developed for a number of areas within �'ridley, the
area in question being one of these. Since that decision of June
19, 1972, the City Council has adopted, for the area in question,
a proposed zoning of "high density". This, to a large extent is
due to the fact that the area is in a transitional stage and it
is apparent that the R-1 zoning classification will not be a�-
propr�.ate. �rom my discussions with some of the neighbors immed-
iately surrounding Mr. Doyle's property, it is apparent_that they
realize a change is imminent and are anxious for a decision to be
made with respect to their property. It was also my impression
that these people were not unilaterally opposed to Mr. Doyle's
use of his property as a real estate business. The area in question
is shown on the attached map. Also, for your information, I have
attached a list of those neighbors we were able to ascertain to
be within 300 feet of the designated property.
With this background in mind, we chose n�ot to reapply for a
zoning change. This, in part, was brought about by.the Board's
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strong recommendation that rezoning would not be viewed favorably
at this time. This left us the special use or variance alternatives.
Minnesota Statutues 462.357, Subd. 6, seems to eliminate the variance:
"...The Court of Appeals and Adjustments or the governing
body as the case may be, may not permit as a variance any
use that is not permitted under the ordinance for in the
zone where the effected persons' land is located."
On the other hand, the leading case of Zyllka vs. Citv of Crystal
167 N.W. 2nd 45; 283 Minn 196 (1969) suggests that a special use
might be in order. There the Minnesota Court indicated that a
special use permit was properly within the discretion of the govern-
ing body. They went on to say that where an ordinance does not
specify standards, as is usually the case when final authority to
determine whether a permit shall be granted is retained by the
Council, an arbitrary denial may be found by a reviewing court :
when the use is compatible with the basic use authorized �ithin
the particular zone and does not endanger the public health or
safety or the general welfare of the area affected or the community
as a whole. This view is confirmed by Section 45.191 of the
Ordinances of the City of Fridley where it is set out that a
reasonable degree of discretion in determining suitability of
certain uses is given the City Fathers.
Generally, when passing on a special use permit, the governing
body looks to the following; health, safety and welfare of the
commun�ty �ncluding tra�fic hazards, land valuations, compatibility
of uses and th.e �verall character of the area as it is, and as it
is to be. The comprehansive plan has indicated that East River
Road which is adjacent to the property in question is a major source
of traffic congestion and danger. Also, the entire area in question
was proposed as a high density use rather than R-l.
It is apparent that Mr. Doyle's proposed use of his property
for a small, local real estate office, will not add to the traffic
hazard already existing in the area. Likewise the health, safety,
and general welfare of the community will not be affected. The
operatiori as he proposes to use it, would certainly be compatible
with the existing homes in the area. It is uncertain at this time
what effect, if any, there would be on Iand values. I expect that
in the long range, after a serious rezoning is contemplated for
the entire area, the net effect of land values will be to increase.
For these reasons we are_ making application of a special use
permit under section 45.5, Subsection 4, of the Ordinances of the
City of Fridley, a copy of which you have before-you. Tt is my
belief that Subsection 4, entitled "Other Uses", may be interpreted
to mean, other uses similar to those specifically set out in your
ordinance as permitted uses by special use permit. With this in
mind, and the realization that ihe area is in a state of flux, I
am asking both the Planning Commission and the City Council to use
the reasonable degree of discretion permitted them by State law and
to make a determination that a special use permit be granted to Mr.
Doyle,"
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Mr. Clark said the CounciZ sent this down ta the Planning
Comm�ssion to see if they could determine how this request could
be handled within the confines of our present ordinances. At
the present time, we cannot accept the application of a special
use permit. It will be up to the Council and the City Attorney
to determine from any recommendaion mad� by the Planning Commis-
sion whether or not we can accept this application.
Mr. Harris said the recommendations made in the Comprehensive
klan are just guidelines. Just because this is considered a chang=
ing area, it does not mean that rezoning is imminent. If the fee
owners of the property want it to stay R-1, it will stay R-1.
Mr. Clark asked Mr. Carson if he would explain how he interpreted
Subsection 4 and why he felt Mr. Doyle could apply for a special �se
permit under this subsection. b2r. Carson said this subsection is
headed "Other Uses" and says "For other uses, other than dwelling
units, permitted uses and uses requiring a special use permit,"
�ndicating or suggesting that other uses other than those listed
for a special use permit could be allowed, otherwise, why this
Section on other uses. T am not presenting this as an argument,
only as a rationale to allow my client to apply tor a special use
perm�t,
Act�ng Chairman Harris said �liat under Section 45.052, Paragraph
2, under "Uses Excluded" it states "Any use.not specificaZly per-
mitt.ed in the preceeding paragraphs of th�s section." He asked
Mr. Carson how he interpreted this statement. Mr. Carson said he
interpreted this as :zot excluding what tney proposed under "�ther
Uses". In other words; other uses are permitted, similar to those
that are permitted. In the new code, Section 45.19, it states that
the purpose of a special use permit is to provide the City of
�xidley a reasonable degree of discretion in determining the suit-
ability o� certain types of uses etc. That's what we're asking_is
that the City of Fridley exercise that reasonable degree of dis-
cretion to allow this request to be handled as a special use.
Mr. Clark said he didn't want to give his interpretation of
Subsection 4 but he would like to give the Planning Commission some-
thing for thought. It depends upon how you pause when you read
this paxagraph. I believe that this subsection means that when
you are considering a special use permit for the reasons enumerated
�n this section, that then the requirement for setbacks, buildings,
parking,• landscaping, screening and exterior materials shall be
at least comparable to similar uses in other districts. In other
words, for other uses, other than dwelling units,�permitted uses
and uses requiring a special use permit, the requirements change,
and they have to go to the section of the code where these things
are allowed without a special use, and�use those requirements.
Mr. Carson said that refers to other sections of the Zoning Code
and that is what he has done also. Mr. Clark said that in other
sections of the cade, it does have the statement that other retail
or wholesale sale or service uses which are similar in character to
those enumerated above, will not be dangerous or otrerwise detri-
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mental to persons residing or working in the vicinity thereof,
or to t.ie public welfare, and will not impair the use, enjoy-
ment or value of any property, but not including any uses ex-
cluded hereid�after. In other words, in the C-1 section of the
code, for instance, if it says a creamery�can be allowed with a
special use permit, then an ice cream making plant could be
allowed because this is similar in nature. This is not.what
Subsection 4 says. Mr. Clark said that if the Planning Commission
was favorable to this request, they could recommend to the
Council that this be allowed under a special use as the ordinance
reads if tiiey agree with Mr. Carson's interpretation, or else
recommend that the code be changed to allow a real estate office
in the uses enumerated under the Special Use section.
Mr. Carson said he believed the Council felt that changing
the code was the least desirable recommendation.
Mr. Drigans said he questioned the statement in the second
paragrph of the memorandum where it states that in your discussion
with the neighbors, it is appaxent that they realize a change is
imminent and are anxious for a decision to be made with respect
to theix �roperty. He asked Mr. Carson if he could elaborate on
that statement. �
Mr. Carson said the neighbors are under the impression that.
rezoning is imminent. They have expressed frustration because.
they would like to know what is going to happen in this area. He
said he thought his was up to the Council to decide. Mr. Drigans
said he tllought tnis was up to the fee owners of the property.
Mr. Clark said that according to the ordinance the City .can start
the rezoning process, but the property owners can come back to
the City if they feel they are being hurt financially by the
change. He said that the City institutes a zoning change very
seldom.
Mr. Harris said his feelings were that according to the 5th
amendment to the Constitution that people have the right to life,
liberty and prop�rty, t:irough due process. He said he wasn't
an attorney, but I think if rezoning was iniated by the City where
I live, and it was zoned R-1 and I wanted to continue to live there,
I think we'd all be up seeing the judge in Anoka County.
Mr. Carson said he thought Mr. Harris was right, but on this
particular area, they have the railroad on one side, and improvement
of East Riyer Road to handle more traffic flow, and they are hold-
ing up the improvernent of some of the streets in the area until
they determine whether this area is going to retain its character.
Mr. Harris said a comprehensive street plan was developed about
five years ago. The City is going through the City section, by
section, until all the streets are improved as to curbs, gutters,
sewers and storm sewers. As this area was paved in 1956, it has
a low priority in relation to areas that have no improvement.
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Mr. Drigans said that Mr. Doyle came in a year ago for re-
zoning so he could operate a real estate office, and this was
denied. I would like to know the status of this business at
the present time. Mr. Clark said he was there about three weeks
ago, and there was a woman there to answer the phone and it was
not being used as a residence.
Mr. Doyle said he had to start using this house because he
had to move from his former office in July. He wrute a letter
to the Council dated August 13, 1973 requesting that he be able
to use this residence for his business while they studied how
this could be allowed in an R-1 area. Mr. Carson said the Council
gave Mr. Doyle ttiis permission, while they were exploring if this
cou�d be allowed with a variance or urider a special use.
Mr. Blair asked Asr. Doyle if he was going to make any ir.►prove-
ments to this propE:rty. Mr. Doyle said the improvements he iz�ter��s
to make would re�?uire no permits. He intends to paint, make some
repairs•and do some landscaping.
Mr. Doyle said he knew that if he lived in the home, his real
estate business would be a legal home occupation. But the house
is too small for his family and he would be forced to greatly
expand the dw�lling. This would constitute a large investment and
would be very burdensome.
Mr. John Othoudt, 20 63rd Way N.E., said he can see how the
City is growing. With the completion of the railroad development,
I look for more industry to come into this area, because of the
access to both the railaroad and to East River Road.
Mrs. Gerald Gerber, 6275 East River Road, said she liked her
home and it took a long time to get it the way it now is. She
said she knew it was not the most desirable location but she was
used to it and she likes the area. She said if any rezoning was
going to occur, it should be for the entire area and not just one
street. She said she always felt this area would stay R-1, even
with the railroad so close and never thought she would have a busi-
ness next door. She said as far as Mr. Doyle's proposal was con-
cerned, she would rather have a neighbor-businss than a business-
business next door.
Mr.. Loren Wolle, 33 63rd Way N.E., said he would be next door
to this business. He said this was a secluded neighborhood. They
are off by themselves, and that's the way he likes it. He said he
had nothing personal against Mr. Doyle, but he didn't want a business
next door. He asked if this area has been set aside for rezoning
by the comprehensive plan.
Acting Chairman Harris said this is one of the areas studied in
the comprehens�ve plan but the comprehensive plan is not a hard
and fast fact. The people in the area are the ones to say what
will go into the area. Mr. Clark said that before the City could
rezone this area, they would have to prove that this was-for the
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betterment of the whole City before they could ask for condemnation
proceedings. Mr. Boardman said studies were made of areas that
seemed to be changing areas. Guidelines were set up, but spot
rezoning was not good in any area.
Mr. Doyle said he would like the opportunity to use this
property and he will upgrade and enhance this property. I would
like to use this property under a special use until we know what
is going to happen in this area.
Mr. Harris asked that if this special use was granted, and Mr.
Doyl� moved out of this property, if another real estate company
could come in and use the property for the same use, under the
same special use? Mr. Carson said he thought they would have to
re-apply. Mr. Clark said that if it was the same small type of
operation, he thought the special use would still be in effect.
Mr. Wolle said if this special use could continue after Mr.
�o�_le left the property, he would definitely be against it. He
thought�it should revert back to R-1, with no special use.
Mr. Drigans said that on.Mr. Doyle's application for a special
use permit, he was asking for parking for 10 cars and a 48 square
foot lighted sign allowed under CR-1 zoning in the sign ordinance.
He thought this sign should not be on this application. We have
a separate sign oxdinance.
Mr. Doyle said a more practical request would probably be to
have parking for only five cars. I have the room to provide more
spaces, but my concern is not to have the street full of cars
because of this request. I would.like to have the sign to announce
my presence in the area, a lighted sign that is 48 square feet,
according to the CR-1 regulations, out along East River Road.
Mr. Lindblad asked Mr. Doyle why he want to utilize this
property for an office when there are commercial areas, like
Holly Center for instance, where you could have a�real estate
o�fice w�thout all these problems.
Mr. Doyle said that different real estate companies, such as
Calhoun, Edina, Bell and one or two others, have had offices in
Moon Plaza and they have all left in about a year. You do not
get the traffic�needed for a real estate office in that location.
What 2 want to do is expose my business to traffic. I have done
my own traffic count, and there are about 600 vehicles an.hour
go�ng past th�s property I have on East River Road. He said his
land covers a large area, almost 3/4 of an acre. It has a lot
o� trees on the property and does provide privacy for the neighbors.
Th�s, coupled with the fact that analyzing this from my point of
view, that if this area isn't changing now, it will be changing.
Mr. Drigans asked him why he didn't try to rent some of these
oil stations that have gone out of business? Mr. Doyle said they
are difficult-to heat, would require a lot of refurbishing and would
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Mr. Ron Steckman, 58 Rice Creek Way, said he �as here as an
interested citizen.. He said he is a salesman that operates from
his home and he was in favor of Mr. Doyle's real estate office
being allocaed. He thinks Mr. Doyle will be upgrading the property.
He said if he wanted to put up a sign with his name on it on his
own property, he wouldn't want the Council to tell him he couldn't.
Mrs. Gerber said she didn't think a 4'x8' sign was going to
upgrade the neighborhood.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Steckman i£ he had his business in his
own home. Mr. Steckman said he did. Mr. Harris said that was
the difference. Mr. Doyle does not live in this home.
Mr. James Langenfeld, 79 63Z Way N.�., said he could see more
problems for the City if Mr. Doyle was allowed to operate a real
estate office in an R-1 area. Mr. Drigans said we can get problems
if we deny this, also. There are a lot of home businesses that
don't quite meet the ordinance requirements.
Mr.•Langenfeld said that Mr. Doyle seems like an intelligent
business man so he thought it was strange that he found himself
in this predicament. Mr. Doyle said his request was similar to
requests made in other communities. There, rezoning to CR-1, was
allowed because it had the least impact on a residential area.
Mr. Clark said he didn't think the City could handle this
request without a change in the ordinance.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Doyle if he had had any meetings with the
neighbors on this request. Mr. Doyle said he had and he still
felt the neighbors were not opposed to his request to have a real
estate office. There were concerned about what changes would be
made in this area. He said they talked about having a meeting with
someone who could tell them what plans were being considered, as
long as the City felt this was a changing area.
Mr. Wolle said that was why he was opposed to this request.
Once you.let something commercial into the area, it could snowball,
and the area would change.
Acting Chairman Harris said that although this was not a Public
Hearing, he would like to close the discussion so the members of
the Planning Commiss�on could discuss•this request.
Mr. Blair said he was in favor of this request being handled
under a special use, with stipulations. He said he has seen this
property and he believed it would meet the CR-l�requirements for
buffer zones, it is large enough, and on the North side there is
screening. He said he thought the parking should be limited to
five cars. He said the only other stipulations he could think of
at this time is that there be no storage of materials on this lot,
or improvements ta the other lots. I think the sign ordinance
will take care of the sign.
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Mr. Clark said the size of the sign could be restricted as
a stipulation also.
Mr. Boardman said that in reading the ordinanre, the sign
would be governed by the zone that it is in. If he wants a sign
that is larger than what is allowed in an R-1 district, he would
have to go to the Board of Appeals for a variance. He said he
didn't see how a special use on a structure can follow thr�ugh
on the sign.
Mr. Lindblad said he was opposed to this request. He said
more of the neighbors were against this request than were for it.
He said Mr. Doyle was not living in the house and we would be
spot rezoning with a different name. �You've got parking, traffic
and a sign. You`ve got a business. I have to consider if I would
want this in my neighborhood or not, and I wouldn't. I feel one
neighborhood is as good as another, so the neighbors have to be
considered in this request.
Mr. Blair said he felt �he neighbors weren`t objecting to the
use of the property, just the rezoning.
Mr. Lindblad said if anymore requests come from this area,
for use different from R-1, then he thinks the area should be
rezoned, but it was up to the residents of this area.
Mr. Drigans said Mr. Doyle was in business to make money and
to do this he would have to be successful. Anoka is a good area
�ox xea� estate, so �� he �s successful, his business will grow
and expand. He bought this house, not to live in, and to operate
a�us�nes�. I h�ve to agree with Mr. Lindblad, in that you can
call �t What you want, but he is requesting to operate a business
in an R^1 area. I feel if we recoznmend a special use, we're
telling not only real estate people and other sales people, that
they have a right to speculate and buy a small house so they can
open up some type of small business. I think it is obvious that
people in this area wouldn't object to having a neiqhbor in the
real estate business, but I consider this a business, and n�t a
neighbor.
Mr. Blair said what do we do about illegal home occupations.
He said he knew there were people emp�oying outside help for their
home businesses. He said Mr. Doyle was honest in his request, and
we are turning him down.
Mr. Clark said if these illeqal home occupations were brought
to the attention of the City, the City could investigate�and
regulate them.
Mr. Clark said the special use permit was designed because
some of the lots in Fridley border on commercial, even if they
are zoned R-l. When a request is made, we look at the pros and
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cons of the request. The question here is whether you want
real estate offices to be considered in R-1 zoning.
Mr. Clark said that he could not interpret the present
ordinance so that real estate offices can be under a speciaT
use permit in R-l. If you want to consider this use under a
special use, then I think lawyers offices should be considered
also, because if you think real estate offices can be considered
under a special use, then lawyers offices are the only thing
left out that are considered in CR-1.
Mr. Clark said there are three things the Planning Commission
can recommend to Council. You can deny the request, you can
recommend that the ordin�:nce be changed to allow real estate offices
in an R-1 area, or interpret the code the way Mr. Carson does, and
say that this is allowed under our present zoning ordinance.
Mr. Harris said Mr. Doyle's request has precipated this,
what we recommend will not affect Mr. Doyle directly. We would
not be.recommending that a special use.be granted to Mr. Doyle.
That would still have to be a separate Public Hearing. We have
to consider whether we want to recommend that real estate offices
can be under special use or if it can be allowed under Subsection
4.
Mr. Lindblad said we have these uses under our present
CR-1 zoning.
Mr. Clark said that one thing to consider was that a special
use permit is mare restrictive than CR-1 zoning. Mr. Harris said
a special use permit is like a contract between the City and the
app�_icant. �
Mr. Drigans said if we put too many restrictions on this
request, we might be infringing on Mr. Doyle's right to do business.
Mr. Clark said if Mr. Doyle agrees to the restrictions, then he
is content with the stipulations.
Mr. Drigans said we do have a zone for real estate offices. �
When Mr. Doyle asked for rezoning, it was denied, because the people
didn't want a real estate office in their neighborhood.
Mr. Carson said that what you are saying is that the zoning
code is the zoning code. We think this is a changing area and
the zoning classification could chanr,e. This use will not be in-
compatible with the area. You are granted discretion in inter-
preting the code. �
Mr. Blair said he �hinks there are other R-1 lots in Fridley
that border on CR-1 uses in that ther� are buffer zones and they
meet the required screeni.ng requirements.
Mr. Drigans said if therE: are lots like these, then I would
have to conclude that there are other business other than real
estate th«t could go on these lots.
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Mr. Harris asked Mr. Clark how many lots there were like
this in Fridley. Mr. Clark said that any lots that are on a main
arterial street would be in about the same situation.
Mr. Lindblad said the purpose of the various Boards and the
Council was to study each individual case and try to determine
what was the best decision. As to this request, I have to take
into consideration the objection of the neighbors. They bought .
in an R-1 ar.ea and have stated they want the area to stay R-1.
Mr. Clark said this is the reason for a special use. The
neighbors did object to rezoning, but with a special use, the
property will remain R-1.
Acting Chairman Harris asked if the other members of the
Planning Commission felt this request could be handled under
Subsection 4.
Mr. Blair said he felt that this'could be handled this way,
witr; special restrictions as to the buffer zones, etc.
Mr. Drigans said his interpretation of the code is that we
have a special section for real estate businesses. We can make
a case for any type of office or similar occupations ot selling,
in Subsection 4. If that be the case, then I think we should
recommend to Council a.consideration of changing the code to
grant special uses to those lots that the Council feels are buffer
areas between two zones and not limit it�to real estate office
but for additional uses.
Mr. Lindblad said he still feels that each request is an
iridividual case. I think the us� are defined quite well for �
each zoning district.
Mr. Harris asked if we should define what should be allowed
with a special use permit as to other uses. Mr. Drigans said that
if we do, some one.will come in with a request that is not specifi-
cally mentioned.
Mr. Harris said he believes, like Mr. Lindblad, that if we
were to follow the Zor.ing Codes to the letter, it would not be
necessary to have a Board or a Council to decide these things.
He said that in areas that are zoned commercial or industrial,
we don't have to be so strict on what goes into�these areas. When
�ou get to R-3 and R-2, you're starting to talk about where people
live and by the time you get to R-1 zoning, you are taking about
a man's home and I believe a man's home is his c«stle. If the
neighbors are willing to give up their rights of privacy, then
I could go along with this request. He said he feels that there
should be a change in the code, to expand the uses allowed with a
special use permit in Section F, of the R-1 Zoning Code. I think
Subsection 4 is ambiguous and should be changed. I think the
'other uses' should be struck from this paragraph so that someone
won't use this paragrph to construe other uses, to other uses
than the ones listed.
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Mr. Clark said.if you ar.e going to add otr.er uses to
Section F, under special use, you should include lawyers,
real estate, medical and dental. .
Mr. Clark said that if Mr. Doyle was worriEd about the
time element in changing the code, that this would take no
longer than meeting the requirements of applying for a special
use permit.
MOTION by Drigins, seconded by Blair, that the Planning
Commission recommend to Council to consider amendinq the Zoning
Code to a11ow real estate offices and Zawyers office to be
added ta a use allowed witY.. a SpeciaZ Use Permit in R-1, Section
45.051, Paragraph 3, F, to R-2, 5ection 45.061, Paragraph 3, F,
and to R-3, Section 45.071, Paragraph 3, H, and to add to the same
three 2oning Districts the statement: All uses which are simiZar
in character to those enumerated above, wi11 not be dangerous or
otherwise detrimental to persons residing in the area thereof, or.
to the public welfare, and wi11 not impair the use, enjoyment
' or vaZue of any property, but not including any uses excluded
hereinafter. Upon a voice .vote, a11 votinq aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
Motion by Blair to amend the motion, seconded by LindbZad,
that the Planning Commission also recommend to Council that
Subsection 4, entitled OTHER USES in the Zoning Distxicts of
R-1, R-2, and R-3, is ambiguous and very vague. This should be
rewritten so that it is definite that it pertains to uses which
are specifically stated as allowed under a special. use permit.
Upon a voice vote on the amended motion, a21 voting aye, the
amended motior. passed unanimously.
2. COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN
Mr. Jerrold Boardman, Planning Assistant, made thE: presentation.
Mr. Boardman said the main reason for developing a park plan
was that previous to this, all we have had is inventories of what
we had on the plan�and no directi.on per se, as to where property is
needed and what type of facilit�• was needed.
This comprehensive park plan is a guideline to direct the
Parks & Recreation Commission and also the Council in setting up
prioritie�, as to which areas need parks and where they should
try to acquire land for this use.�
At present we have 430 acres of park property and 100 acres
of school property that could be used for recreational purposes.
The goals that recreation should accomplish are: (1) physical
health, (2) mental health, (3) the social adjustment of the individ-
ual, and (4) intellectual and aesthetic expression.
The way to accomplish these qoals are through the objections
of the parks and recreation plan. Thes� objectives are an imple-
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Mayor Liebl asked if the proposed ordinance was the City Attnrney' proposal for
the amendment to the ordinance. The City Attorney said yes, he ould advise the
Council to proceed with the first reading.
MOTION by Councilman lltter to adopt the first reading of e ordinance amending
the license fees for house movers. Seconded by Council n Breider. Upon a roll
call vote, Utter, Nee, Breider, Starwalt, and Liebl v ing aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carrisd unanimously. and the fi t reading adopted.
Councilman Starwalt said he believed there sho be some additional input in
the matter. Mayor Liebl ad5ised the adminis ation to notify the house movers
and have them attend the meeting when the cond reading is on the agenda. The
City Engineer said he would notify the m ers.
Councilman Utter said he believed th ermit fee should be at least $10.
CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF FIN PIAT P. S. #73-07, INNSBRUCK NORTH T(
MOTION by Counc�lman Star alt to approve the Final Plat as request�d by Darrel
A. Farr Development Cor oration for Innsbruck North Townhouse 3rd Addition.
Seconded by Councilm Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared
the motion carried nanimously.
RECEIVING THE Mj,i'NUTES OF TNE PLA�JNING COMMISSION MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 26, 1973:
The City E ineer advised the Council there were no items in the minutes which
would nee Council action.
MOTIO by Councilman Utter to receive the Minutes of the Planning Commission
Mee ng of September 26, 1973. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice
vo e, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
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RECEIVING THE h1INUTES Of THE PLANNING COMMISSIflN MEETI�dG OF OCTOBER 3, 1973:
��' JOHN DOYLE REQUEST fOR A REAL ESTATE OFFICE: �6305 EAST RIVER ROAD
Mayor Liebl read aloud the motion of recommendation from the Planning Commission
minutes.
Mayor Liebl•referred to a recent matter in Crystal for a similar special use and
said he had gone there and checked out the action on the matter. He said
he thought the special use permit may be the correct method of allowing the
use when the•ordinance does not specifically state standards of use. He read
aloud the statement by Mr. Doyle's Attorney from the minutes of the meeting.
This case concerned Ayllka vs. the City of Crystal, and the Section 45.191 of the
Gity of Fridley Code, this view of establishing the discretion of the governing
body as authority confirms this view.
. . Mayor Liebl said Mr. Doyle had been in contact withe the pQOple of the area
to obtain their, input to the situation, he had tried to handle the matter
properly. Councilman Utter said the applicant is doing something improper,
"� he is operating a business establishment in an R-1 area with no special use
permit and he does not live in the home.
Councilman Nee agreed that the proposal would effect everyone in R-1, R-2,
and R-3 districts in the City, if the zoning ordinance in the City were
changed. He said it would be possible to establish a business anywhere
in the City of Fridley with a special use permit, but he felt there would
be no problem with looking at what the City Attorney may recommend. Ne said
he could see many probleins if this were allowed. Ne suggested looking at the
ordinance and making some judgement at that time.
Councilman Utter said he couti se.e a lawyers office in the midst of Innsbruck
North and an insurance agency in the River area. Councilman Nee said the
ordinance would have to be defined specifically.
PUBLIC HEARING.MEETING OF OCTOBER 15, 1913
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155
The City Attorney said he thought this was using poor principles by making
an example of only real e,state and attorney's offices, anybody who had a
profession could make application for such a permit. Ne pointed out to the
Council when this would happen, the burden would be on the City. He stated
the Zyllka case in Crystal would be a clear example of this type of burden, and it
was determined the City did not make specific findings that this wou7d be detrimental
to the neighborhood. He referred to another example of a case in Bloomington
where it was determined there were not sp2cific facts to support the findings.
The City Attorney did not belived it would be a good step to adopt a general
policy. He recalled to the Council's attention the current case of the .
City of Fridley on a special use permit, the Metro 500 case. He mentioned
another case, the Five Sand Apartments and said this had been settled by the
land owner, or he felt the City would have lost this case. He said he was
not aware of the proper solution for Mr. Doyle, and he would work on such
an amendment to the ordinance, but he would not recominend it.
Councilman Starwalt questioned f•1r. Doyle about the possibility of having one
of his employees live in the house. Mr. Doyle said the home is not big
enough as it is a very modest home. Mayor Liebl questioried if the people
would want to live in Fridley. Mr. Doyle said he could not ask people with
large families to live in a small house. He stated he could not get his family
and business into the facility, and everyone else that works for him has a
family. .
Mr. Carson, Attorney for Mr. Doyle, addressed the Council and requested
some time to research the possibility of having one of the employees occupy
the home, and in the meantime, would they have the Council's permission to
operate as they are, Mayor Liebl asked if this would be possible. The
City Attorney said it would not be legal, anyone might sign a complaint
against this use. Councilman Utter said he did not know why the applicant
has to be allowed 30 days.when he has been avoiding the question for six months
already. -
MOTION by Councilman Nee to table the consideration for the request by Mr.
John Doyle untii the next meeting, October 29, i973, for the purpose of
allowing the applicant time to determine if it would be feasible for one
of his emplcyees occupying the home. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Lieb) declared the motion carried
unanimously.
MOTIOPd by Councilman Utter to receive the m�nutes of the Planning Commission
Meeting of October 3, 1973. Seconded by Councilman Starwalt. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
�ESTIMATES:
Gibbs A tising
8468 Westwoo ad N. E.
Minneapolis, Minn a 55432
Estimate dated June 7, 73
Es�imate dated July 18, 19
Estimate dated Sept. 15, 1973
for artwork at fridley Liquor
Stcre
Mr. Carl Nev,�quist
Builders Exchange Building
Minneapolis, Minnesota 55402
$450.00
466.00
312.00
For services rendered as prosecutor (dated 10/3/73)
Progressive Contractors, Inc.
6ox 3b8
Osseo, Minnesota 55369
FINAL Estimate No. 1 for Street Improvement
Pr�ject S7. 1972-1A, according to the contract
$ 1,228.00
1,100.00
81,645.76
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PETITIUN COVER SHEET
Petition No. ` 14-1973
Date Received OCtObet^ 30, 1973
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abject _ qpproval of proposed property use by John R. Doyle � 6305 East
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River Road to operate a Real Estate office on the same proper�y.
Petition Checked By
Percent Signing
Referred to City Council
Disposition
Date
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were licensed in the City of Fridley with the invitation to to attend the
present meeting because of the possibility of amending th mounts in the
ordinance.
Mayor Liebl asked if there was anyone present wh would like to make any remark
about the suggested change in the fees, Ther as no response.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to amend the oposed ordinance to change the $5 permit
fee to $10 per permit. Seconded by C ncilman Nee. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Liebl declared the moti carried unanimously.
MOTION by Councilman Utter to aive the Second Reading of the Ordinance, adopt
the Ordinance and order pu ication. Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a roll
call vote, Liebl, Utter ee, and Breider voting aye, Mayor liebl declared the
motion carried unani sly.
. ORDIPJANCE �554 EZONING REQUEST ZOA #73-10 BRYAN7-FRANKLIN CORPORAT�ION FROM C-1
AI�C 2 TO M- , THE SAME BEING 290 73RD ENTIE .l�E.: --` •
MOTION Councilman Breider to waive the Second Reading of the Ordinance, adopt
the ond Reading of the Ordinance and-order publication. Seconded by Councilman
Ne . Upon a roll call vote, Liebl Utter, Nee, Breider voting aye, Mayor Liebl
clared the motion carried unanimously.
CONSIDERATION OF A REQUEST FOR A REAL ESTATE OFFICE, 6305 EAST RIVER ROAD BY JOHN
DOYLE TABLED OCTOBER 15, 1973 •
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� ��� � RECEIVING PETITION #14-1973, SUBMITTED BY PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE VICINITY OF
�..�� 6305 EAST RIVER ROAD c
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Mayor Liebl called on Mr. Jeffery Carson, Attorney representing Mr. Doyle, to
present his situation to the Council.
Mr. Carson addressed the Council and stated they had appeared before that body
on October 15, 1973, when it was the indication of the Council that a Special Use
Permit would be denied. Mr. Carson continued stating the Council had given the
applicant to the present meeting to come up with a satisfactory solution to comply
, wiih the home occupancy ordinance. He indicated Mr. Doyle had anticipated having
,' his son occupy the home, but had been told by members of the Council that this would
not satisfy the home occupancy ordinance. He stressed, it was the opinion of the
Councilmen that the applicant had to move himself and his family into the home
to satisfy this requirement. He said at this point, Mr. Doyle gave up his intention
to have his son occupy this home, as he thought only absolute home occupancy would
be allowed. Mr. Carson informed the Council of the actions of the past a�eek stating
Mr. Doyle had put the home up for rent and applied for R-2 rezoning in the area.
Mr. Carson said the next step would be to go to the Planning Commission with the
• proposal outlined, but last week Mr. Doyle had met with the people of the
neighborhood and they were concerned with the R-2 rezoning of the area. He said
the people favored Mr. Doyle's use of the business as he is at the present time
over the possibility of rezoning for duplexes or double bungalows.
• Mr. Carson said the area property owners had drafted a petition to present to the
, Councii whjch indicates the people would prefer the use of the property .as a
real estate business, however, it would be accomplished through a special use
rather than rezoning.
Ftr. Loren Wolle, 33 63rd Way, presented the draft to the Council. Mayor Liebl
t�ead the petition aloud to the Council and audience, Mayor Liebl indicated that
ten people had signed the petition and he read the names of those people aloud.
Mayor Liebl said the people who had signed the petition were all abutting property
owners. Mayor Liebl read the stipulations as drafted by the property owners aloud
to ihe Council and audience. They are as follows:
l. Parking iot:
a) Lot size sufficient for five cars.
� � bj Asphalt surfacing.
c) Bumper curbs.
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d) Short privacy shrub around the parking area.
e) Space sufficient to turn cars around to drive out of the lot.
2. Hedges to the south to be trimmed in a neat orderly manner to enhance
the looks of the community and provide privacy.
3. Specialized use is to apply only to John R. Doyle or one of his immediate
family and shall terminate if this business vacates the property. During
this special use period, none of the proposed property is to be sold.
4. During special use period, zoning is to remain consistant with surrounding
neighbors,
5. Maintain all fences belonging to the property in at least better than
present state of repair.
- MOTION by Councilman Utter to receive the petition from the abutting property
owners, Petition #14-1973. Seconded by Councilman Nee. Upon a voice �vote, all voting
aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried unanimously.
Mayor Liebl asked the City Attorney for his counsel on this proposal. He said the
stipulation of only allowing this type of use by Mr. Doyle would indicate the
Council was not setting a precedent. Mayor Liebl said the man may be forced to
develop the land at this time.if he cannot operate in the mapner requested. He
again asked the City Attorney for direction in the matter.
The City Attorney said if the Council is interested i��ermitting use of the property
as it is suggested, the only way this could be done is through home occupancy.
He said it would be up to Mr. Doyle to indicate his interest of having his son
occupy the property, and work for the Company. He indicated if the conditions are
met, he can qualify for the home occupancy under our zoning ordinance. He said
there could be an agreement between the City Council, City staff and Mr, Doy7e
that he would be in compliance. He said he would have to advise the Council and �
Mr. Doyle that if some neighbor would not agree to the conditions as agreed between
the City and Mr. Doyle, the person could ask for a court determination and a judge
would made the judgement. The City Attorney said if this would be satisfactory to the
Council and Mr. Doyle, it could be considered, ___
The City Attorney said he would like to raise a question that had nat been incorporated
in the petition and this would be the need for the variance in the requirement for the
sign to be two square feet in area within residential areas. He said he would assume
there would be a desire for this sign ordinance to be waived. He said the requirement
is very small and the Council could grant a variance and he would be able to operate
as a real estate business.
Councilman Breider questioned the area being in a transitional state and thought
this was in conjunction with the Comprehensive Plan. He said someday in the future,
it may be zoned to some other zone and use.
The City Attorney indicated he had mentioned this type of zoning to the Council the
previous meeting of the Council.. He thought this may be a consideration and
there may be a need for transitional zoning. The City Attorney recalled he had
never read anything on this type of zoning and did not know of a cor�nunity that
did use it. He suggested it may be good for the community and it should go to the
Planning Gofimission for their consideration and recommendations. •
Councilman Breider pointed out the area was undergoing a change in complexio.n
and tt was the feeling of the people that this change not take place at the present
time. He said he thought there should be someway to handle this type of situation
in a flexible manner in the meantime. Councilman Breider stated, under the present
zoning code, this could not be done. He added the problems•are with only one case
now, but next year there may be more requests.
Councilman Utter said the reason the people had come up with the agreement is because
they feared the area would be rezoned. He stressed, they do not want the area rezoned,
they want it R-1 a5 it is now. Councilman Utter said the people had heard if the
Planning Commission had turned this down the applicant could take the matter to court.
He indicated there were some of the neighbors who would not sign the agreement
because of the first paragraph of the petition. He said as long as Mr. Doyle has �
gone to some steps to have someone live in the house, perhaps some agreement could be
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reached. Councilman Utter said the people would accept this more than the agreement,
he had worked with them to come to some agreement. Cpuncilman Utter said he thought
Mr. Doyle would want to comply because he would want to operate in.agreement with the
area people.
Councilman Nee questioned Nirs. Gerber on her views of the situation. Mrs. Gerber
said they had been fighting for a long time. She stated she did not realize Mr. Doyle
had a son old enought to occupy the home. Mrs. Gerber said she would prefer neighbors
to a business in the area. She continued saying she believed the people of the area
are being pressured. She pointed out they had been told he would operate his business
there or build double bungalows or duplexes. Mrs. Gerber said she did not $�ink any
of the proposals were desirable in that area. She referred to the Comprehensive Plan
and said she did not know of any people who would want the area changed at the
present time.
Mayor �.iebl said he would like to find out which of the neighbors are opposed to the
use of the home as a business. He said as far as he knew, not one neiahbor opposed
to Mr. Doyle operating the business on the property. Mayor �iebl thought the people
were opposed to the rezoning of the property. He again questioned Mrs. Gerber asking
if she was opposed to Mr. Doyle using the property for the operation of his business.
Mrs. Gerber answered she would have the choice of the business, double bungalows,
or duplexes. P4ayor Liebl said this was not correct, they would still have some
choice�in the usage.
• Mrs. Gerber pointed out to the Council that there is already one half block of double
bungalows in the area and if there is more in this area, there would be a complete
portion of the one half block with double homes, back to back. She suggested this
would devalue their property and this would be very undesirable.
Mayor Liebl asked if there was anyone present who wanted to speak.
Mr. John Othoudt, 20 63rd Way N. E., said he would not be opposed to the operation
i of the real estate office in the location, but he would oppose the requested
. rezoning. He indicated, he thought they should wait and see what would be coming
into the area in the future.
Mayor Liebl said Mr. Othoudt would definitly oppose rezoning, but would not be
opposed to the business for a limited amount of time. Mr. Othoudt said he would
not oppose the limited use, and would oppose any rezoning.
' Mr. Lewis Doyle, 25 63rd Way N. E., addressed the Council and stated he did not
see any reason w�iy he could not opperate his business from that location.
Mr. Ed Ellis, 70 63rd Way N, E., addressed the Council and stated all of the
discussion was concering something that would be illegal. He said the City Attorney
said this would be illegal and the only way this could be done is if Mr. Doyle's
son would occupy the home. He said if this is not done, what is the plan? He
asked if they would be considering the Special Use Permit, and added, this would
go against the advice of the City Attorney.
The City Attorney said the only way this could be done is if Mr. Doyle's son would
live in the house. He said Mr. Ellis is asking if Mr. Doyle's son would be moving
into the house. He asked if there would be any objection to specifying a limited
amount of size in the future.
Councilman Breider said�under the home occupancy ordinance,�the requirements for
parking and specified items are much more restrictive than the petitiorr drawn �?
up by the people. `
Councilman Nee questioned the City Attorney asking if it would be possible to
table the matter and suspend the ordinance for a period of one year, depending
orr the action of the Planning Commission.
The City Attorney said this is similar to what he had been trying to say. He
would suggest an agreement between the Council and Mr. Doyle that would indicate
compliance and this would comply with the ordinance.
Councilman Nee asked Mr. Doyle if it would be possible for his son to live in the
house.
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Mr. Doyle said he would like to answer Councilman Nee's question. He indicated
he had'discussed the possibility of his son living in the home with his son and
this had been done some time ago. After this time, he had talked with the
Councilmen and they had said he would have to occupy the home. He said he had
been toid his son iiving in the home would not comply w9th the ]etter of the code.
At his time Mr. Doyle dropped the issue with his son and it had been a long time
since the matter had been discussed with him. 61r. Doyle said since his son would
be deeply involved in the plan, he could not commit him without first getting
his feelings.
Councilman Nee said Councilman Utter and Mayor Liebl had each expressed one half
of the dilemma and he happened to agree with both of their points. Councilrnan
Nee said if there is a force for change in this area, it was coming from Mr. Doy]e,
and he did not think this is where it should come from. He expressed the concern
for the neighbors and said whether or not this would be able to work would be the
question in his mind. He thought any change should come from a broader base. He
illustrated as an example of total neighborhood planning as what is happening in
Hyde Park and this is so cu�rent the entire results cannot be determined at the
present time. Councilman Nee said the present property owners should receive the
benefit from such a transi.tion if there is a benefit to be made. He said the
Hyde Park area had not been totaly planned as it may have been. Councilman Nee
continued saying be believed the people should have the leadership of the Planning
Department and the Council, and this would be to see if the neighborhood would
want to do something. Councilman Nee said he did not believe pressure from Mr.
Doyle should bs the precipitating factor. Councilman Nee said Mr. Doyle should
not have the right to submit change unless the neighborhood planned this also.
He pointed out that just because there is a petition, this does not mean the
request would become a reality. Councilman Nee stressed the thought that the
Planning Department should look at the area. He said if it would be legal, he
would like to table the matter for a year and suspend the enforcement of the ordinance.
He said if it would not be legal, he could not live with the constant violation of the
law.
The City Attorney said the important question at the present time would be who is
going to live in the location to execute a legal use of the R-1 zoning.
Councilman Nee said he would like some indication from the people that had signed
the petition if they were willing to allow the use of the location without the
stipulation that the parking lot be asphalt. He indicated this may be too much
of an expense if the use of the property were to be only one year. He questioned
if it would be reasonable io enforce this point when he may not be there more
than a year.
Mr. Wolle said it would be important to see that something is done with the
hedges and other areas to make the location look presentable. He said natural fencing
that is on.the property should be kept up. He stated he would not want the conditions
to go down hill. He indicated it may be senseless to require the man to put in the
asphalt lot when he may only be there for one year.
Mrs'. Gerber said she would not want to impose a hardship on Mr, Doyle. She stressed
the area should be studied and the people should be involved in the study.
Councilman Nee said he thought it may make sense to float the present issue and take
a look at the study of the overall area. Councilman Nee said he would not want the
people to think the area should be rezoned, and he thought it should not be.. He
seid he thought the Planning Commission should have a chance to study the area. -
Mrs. Gerber questioned if the man would want his parking situation to remain as it
is at the present time. Mr. Doyle said he would be able to get a7ong. He said
some area for parking in the front of the building would be more desirable. Mrs.
Gerber asked what could be done on a te�nporary basis that all could agree on. Mr.
Doyle agreed the asphalt would be expensive and sa9d crushed rock could be used.
Mrs. Gerber asked if this could be used as a base for the asphalt if everything
goes well. Mr. Doyle said yes, this is done quite often. Mrs. Gerber said she
could go along with this.
Councilman Nee said if Mr. Doyle were to tell theCouncil that his son was to occupy
the home, there would be�no issue before the Council, he questioned the need for
a motion.
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� The City Attorney said if it would be the consensus of the Council, and by Councilman
Nee, the Acting City Manager could send Mr. Doyle a letter summarizing the consensus
of the Council and their concerns which have appeared within the discussion at the
present meeting. This would put the intentions and concerns of the Council and the
people in writing, there would be something on record. Mayor Liebl asked if this
would include the a�aving the requirement on sign limitation. The City Attorney agreed,
but indicated no sign size had been discussed at the present time. He suggested
some indication of the proposed size so the staff would have an idea what the
Council had agreed to. He said Mr. Doyle should state that this would be under the
conditions that his son would live in the home. Ne said if this was done at the
, present time, the applicant would not have to come back to the Council for further
discussion.
Mr. Carson said he had asked Mr. Doyle what size sign would be installed and Mr.
Doyle answered he would prefer a four by six foot sign. Mayor Lieb] said the
appljcant would want the people to know there is a real estate business there.
The City Attorney suggested either a three by five, or a four by four sign, this
would allow for about the same square footage. Councilman�Utter suggested a three
, by four foot sign.
MOTION by Councilman Nee to authorize the Acting City Manager to summarize the
discussion at the present Council meeting in letter form to be submitted to Mr.
Doyle, and advise Mr. Doyle that if his son is in residence, the Council would
• � • waive the sign ordinance to allow the construction of a sign comparable to the
square footage on the DeGardner sign (The DeGardner sign was measured by the
inspection department, and this sign is three by four or twelve square feet).
, Seconded by Councilman Utter.
The City Engineer said he would write such a notice to Mr. Doy7e. He questioned
if the stipulations from the petition should be those indicated in the communication
to Mr. Doyle. He said he felt this is what the neighbors want as they had signed the
, peiition. He questioned if all the other stipuTations such as the bumper curbing i
should be included in the stipulations. He indicated the crushed rock would be .,
stabilized base.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl declared the motion carried
unanimously. -
MOTION by Councilman Nee to direct the Planning Department to begin the p7anning
process in the neighborhood and provide the people with some concepts for direction.
Mayor Liebl said this would include the entire area from south of Mississippi to
' 61st.
SECONDED by� Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
' �:1?N�IDERATION OF DESIGNWARE INDUSTRIES, INC., REQUEST TO DISCUSS THE FIRE HY[
Mayor Liebl as the City Engineer what the problem was. The City Engineer said
this would concern e of the stipulations in the permit. He said there are two
firms involved in the ter and this would be Designware and the Fridley Bus
• I � Company. He explained tha e firms representatives were not available for the
, present meeting and had reques this be discussed at tiie November 12, 1973 meeting
of the Council. '
MOTION by Councilman Breider to table the ideration of the Fire Hydrant Stipulation
of Designware until the November 12, 1973 meet� f the Fridley City Council.
Seconded by Councilman Utter. Upon a voice vote, a oting aye, Mayor Liebl
declared the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVING THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF OCTO 7, 1973:
A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #73-10, BY TRYGVE OLSEN: PER
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