PR 09/13/1967MINUTES OF THE SPECIAL M�ETING OF THE PARK AND RECR�ATION COMMISSION SF.PTEMBER 13, 1967.
MEMBERS PRESEN'T: Hughes, Dunphy, Cochran, Spence, Fitzpatrick
^ MEMBERS ABSENT: None �
OTHERS PRESENT: Mayor Kirkham, Councilmen Harris, Samuelson, and Liebl,
Acting City Manager Brunsell, Mrs. Behrens - Fridley Record
DISCUSSION OF PARK ID4PRO��EMENT PROPOSAL
The purpose of the meeti�Ig was to present the Commission's proposal for a park
improvement program as adopted as the special meeting of September 11, 1967.
Mr. Hughes presented an item by item summary of the proposal. Fie stated that
the program had been adopted with certain criteria in mind and that the Commis-
' sion felt that the proposed program met all these.
1. Neighborhoods which presently have no parks or have insufficient
park land should be given priority.
2. The proposal should include all those items which the Commission feels
are urgent to the establishment of a satisfactory park system.
3. The proposal should have as its objective the provision of a balanced,
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well developed park system for the City �Sgtisfactory to our needs for
the next five years at a minimum.
In discussion of the proposal, the following major p�ints were covered.
In answer to a question as to the advisability of locating parks in land present-
ly planned for industrial use, the members of the Comrnission stated that in areas
where this approach was recommended, there was generally no other satisfactory
land. Beyond this, the areas where such uses are proposed are those where the
City had not acted to provide park land during the development of the area and
therefore faced a situation in which no parks exist in heavily populated areas
and no open land exists except that zoned industrial. This discussion centered
around proposed parks in the Summit �lanor and Hyde Park neighborhoods (tracts 26
and 20 in the propesal). In the end, concensus seemed to exist that it is worth
� the sacrifice of a relatively small portion of the City's industrial capacity in
order to provide parks in these areas. �
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Mayor Kirkham stated that.he felt that the Southeast Woodland park included in
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the proposal could be provided by the land whi-ch any developer in the area would
be required to dedicate to the City. Such dedication would bring some park land
in the area to the City and would allow the use of funds programmed for that area
for other purposes. Mr. Cochran indicated that his park had occupied the last
place on the Commission's priority list and that if other projects appear to be
of higher priority there would be no objection to dropping the funding for this
one while retaining the intent to establish a park in the area by use of dedicated
land.
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In discussion of the area along Rice Creek and south of County Road H, members
of the Commission stated that the area had been omitted from the proposal because
in the judgement of the Commission the cost of development would be somewhat higher
and the natural beauty of the completecl park would be somewhat lower than that
possible in an area such as tract 24. Members of the Council stated that the area
offers an opportunity for water sports and for open country activities such as
siiding hills not presently available or planned in the City. After discussion of
the matter, it was agreed that the area would be included in the proposal as a
land acquisition item
study sheets.)
(The area is identified as tract 13 on the map and original
Councilman Harris questioned the wisdom of omitting provisions for a major adult
recreation area from the proposal. He stated that such an area could be developed
in the future to i.nclude a golf course, tennis and handball courts, bicycle trails,
etc., but that in his opinion this is the time to purchase the land. He state�
that the Council had applied for an Open Space grant from the U.S. Government to
purchase a tract for this purpose, and while the grant had not been forthcoming
immediately, there is a good chance of one becoming available at a later date. He
pointed to the fact that there are large areas in the northern part of the City
which are presently undeveloped and have no assessments for improvements to be
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paid off. If purchase of land for t}iis purpose is delayed, he felt that the land
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would be improved and would therefore be much more costly -- perhaps too costly
to allow its use for recreation.
Members of the Commission indicated that they had considered the adult recreation
park as a part of the proposal and had eliminated it from the final proposal for
several reasons. Foremost of these was that in the Commission's judgement a num-
ber of other projects would take pr.iority over an adult recreation area and with
a limited amount of money available should be given first consideration. Second,
the costs involved in the future development of such an area would be very high
as compared with the cost of developing the normal park. Estimates of develop-
ment cost of tlie area if it included an 18 hole golf course have ranged from $1
to $1.5 million, The Commission felt that purchase of land for this purpose
would tend to commit the City to eventually spending the much larger amount for
development. Third, the Commission felt that there is not a large amount of pub-
lic support for a facility of this sort at present, and indeed there is a large
amount of public dissent on the facility. The Commission concluded that it would
be better to concentrate in this program on those items which appeared to have a
more urgent need and more public support and to defer funding for acquisition of
an adult recreation area until a later date.
In the course of discussion on this matter, it appeared that there was no agree-
ment on the ultimate need of tne City for a golf course. There appeared to be
concensus that the cost of land for this purpose is as low now as it will ever
be, although it was pointed out that if the land is bought now and held for ten
years that the interest on the purchase price would raise the effective price by
500. It was also pointed out that in the event that Open Space grants by the
federal government become available, it might be in the best interest of the City
to apply such grants to other areas and other ptirposes; for example, the acquisi.-
tion of land in the Summit �9anor, Hyde Park, Southeast �9oodland, or Rice Creek
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areas. All these areas represent opportunities of differing types and should be
considered. Councilman Harris proposed that rather than specifying the purchase
of a specific tract for a specific purpose, a fund be establishecl and earmarked
for use in land acc{uisitions for which grant-in-aid could be obtained from out-
side sources. This approach would allow the decision as to the ultimate use of
the fund to be deferred until outside participation is actually available.
in discussion of the suggestion, questions were raised as to who would control
the reserve fund. It was agreed that if such a fund were established, the coun-
cil should control the fund in order to assure that it is spent for the stated
purposes. Questions were also raised as to how such a reserve would be estab-
lished and whether the present or future Councils iaould be allowed to change the
purpose of the fund. �
It was agreed that the Commission would present a recommendation to the Council
incorporating changes to the proposal originally adopted at the special meeting
of September 11, 1967 and that the Council would place consideration of the pro-
posal on its agenda for the September 18, 1967 meeting.
All visitors except Councilman Harris left the meeting at 11:30 P.M.
In discussion of changes to the proposal, the Commission agreed to a change of
funding from tract 24 to tract 13 and an indication that a park is still expect-
ed to be established in the area of tract 24 utilizing land dedicated by the de-
veloper oi the area.
The Commission was unable to agree on terms under which a reserve for participa-
tion in grant-in-aid projects should be set up. Individual opinions ranged from
the feeling that no reserve should be established to agreement that the reserve
was a good id.ea but that terms for its establishment and control could not be
arrived at. It was agreed that the�Commission proposal be forwarded to the Coun-
cil without a recormnendation for such a reserve but with the indication that if
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�the Council adds such a fund to the proposal that the Commissio�i would support �
� the amended proposal. •
Motion by Spence, seconded by Cochra�i, that the Commission modifLits�roposa.l
of September 11, 1967, to remove the fundin� from tract 24 (Southeast {Voodland)
and provide funding for acc�uisition of tract 13 (Rice Creek east of Central Ave-
nue) and recommend to the Council that the, pr�osal as modified be a�proved and
implemented.
In discussion, Cochran emphasized that this action did not change the intent of
the Commission to eventually have a park in the Southeast Woodland area, but
represented a reliance on dedication of such park land rather than its purchase.
Hughes indicated that if a reserve fund for participation in Open Space or other
grants is established, it should be added to this proposal rather than replacing
any part of it. Fitzpatrick indicated that he wanted to be sure that if such a
^ reserve were established, that the terms and the degree of participation by out-
side agencies tiTould be established clearly. On a voice vote, the motion was
carried.
There being no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 12:30 A.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Robert J. Hughes, Acting Secretary to the Parks and Recreation Commission
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