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PR 03/04/1974/'�� � . M�NUT�S OF THE R�GULAR pARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, MARCH 4, 1974�� ;-� �_� �� - f� ,�. Meeting was called to order at 7:35 p.m., by Chairman Blair. , MEMBERS PRESENT: Blair, Stimmler, Peterson, Wagar. MEMBERS EXCUSED: Caldwell. OTHERS PRESENT: Rollie Goodroad, 1821 Rice Creek Toad, 55112, 636-6421, Goodco, Inc. Mrs._Larry Lembke, 1505 Ferndale Avenue NE, 55432, 789-5628, Homeowner. Mrs. Roger Arel, 1521 Ferndale Avenue NE, 5�432, 781-0978, Homeowner. Charles E. Rice, 1541 Ferndale Avenue NE, 55432, 789-5054, Homeowner. Ken Sjodin, 8729 Central Avenue NE, 55432, 786-0600, Counselor Realty, Urbeck Property. Jim Langenfeld, 79 63z Way NE, 55432, 560-1969, Environmental Quality �ontrol Commission. . Paul Brown,.Director of Parks and Recreation: Cathie Stordahl, Secretary to the Commission. M I I�UTES OF THE JAiJUARY ZS, Ig%4 MEET I NG � MOTIUN 6y Pe.telusan, Secanded by Glagcvc, xa a�prcave �he M�inc�ie� a� �he Pcvcfus and Rec�ce,a.t,i.an C�mm.usd�.an Mee.t,i.vcg da�ed Januah.y 28, 1974. The Ma�i,an calvu:ed. RICE CREEK ESTATES� ^ � Rollie Goodroad of Goodco, Inc., was present to discuss a plat he is proposing to develop in the Benjamin Street, Rice Creek Road area. As it presently stands, the area which has been designated as park land would be about 32 acres in size. This acreage is slightly larger than the normal 10% of the total project which is required to be dedicated as park land, but because of the lay of the land and the platting that has been done, the contractor is asking the City to purchase the balance of the land. In addition to this purchase of land, there is the possibility that the culdesac which is located on the southerly most boundary, will have to be moved, cutting into lots 12 and 13 (also referred to as lots 20 and 21 on earlier maps of the area). I£ the culdesac is moved, these two lots will be con$idered unbuildable, due to the terrain, so the contractor would be asking the City to purchase these lots, also.. Mr. Blair agreed that if the culdesac has to be moved, the City Council should be asked to purchase the two unbuildable lots. Mr. Peterson asked what the Commission is expected to that we should x.eport if we want a park in that area, to purchase the additional acreage and the two lots. act on? Mr. Blair responded and if we do, if we're willing Mr. Stimmler reported that this is one area which we've consistantly had a major void in park lands. We have had monies budgeted for purchase of park property, but have not been able to do so because of the lack of desireable land in that area. We desperately need a park in that area, and Mr. Stimmler felt we should proceed to do whatever is necessary. • Mr. Goodroad was asked if he had an estimate of the cost to the City in this transaction? Mr. Goodroad didn't have any exact figures, but with the purchase and special assessments, it would run about $20,000 to $25,000. Mr. Stimmler asked Mr. Bro�n for�the amount of money which had been set aside in the Budget for purchase of land in that area? Mr. Brown reported that there was $15,000. �inutes o� the Parks $ Recreation Commission Meeting, March 4�, 1974. • Page 2 RICE CREEK ESTATES iCON'T): � ��(OTIUN by Glaqatc, Secanded 6 C.i.iy putccha�se �he ba2unce � .i„�s oveh. �he ] 0 o neqcwced bu ,i .�n xG►.e ever�t �lu�t �11e ccc.�de �he C.i,tu u.Q.s a puncha� e�li�s ccuvu,ed. NORTH INNSbR�CK PARK� elr., �a necammend �o �he neag e,� .ea ca�ed w.i,iGu:.n R N �a 6e de��.ana,ted fan e,eaca.ted malun���s 12 �s cvs aatr�i o,4 �h2 na�r.Ft Counc,i,2, �hcLt �he n.eelz F:s.t.a,ie� , wduc pwi.pa.a e�s , and �ha,i l3 un6u,i.�da6.�e, �h. �.tu. T6ie Ma�,c:.vn Mr. Ken Sjodin was present at the meeting, representing Counselor Realty and Bernard Urbick, 5837 Arthur Street NE, Fridley. Mr. Urbick is the owner of three lots which are located immediately south of his home. Two lots are proposed for private sale, and the most southerly lot needs fill and is proposed for sale to the City. This lot is adjacent to the newly located A-frame building which was donated to the City. The lot is approximately 86' wide and would cost the Ca�ty a roughly estimated $5,000.00. It would require approximately 1500 yards of fill to bring the lot up to�the standards of the area. Mr. Blair recommended that the Commission ask the Cit� Council to negotiate for the purchase of this additional land. He asked Mr. Brown if it was the intent o£ the Department to maintain a skating rink? Mr. Brown.said that it was. n MUTION b Pe,teh.aan Secanded 6 . an � e wcc a�s e a � e n - name �u,c� n , a�. a 'ce � �Y�-�- �a�� Rec�c.e.a.t�an Ca MOORE LAKE STUDY� � an, �a necammend �FicLi �Gie C.i,ty Counc.� �.c,t�i,c'n Ja � nn� nuc an aT�ace.Vr,t a� a�s.c� . e�s�s � �e c ae �ic . a�s v�. i Ke mo�.c.an 2<s e.wted Jim Langenfeld, a member o£ the Environmental Quality Control Commission and the Moore Lake Study Task Force, was present to discuss Maore Lake and the progress on the study. Mr. Langenfeld asked if the Commissioners had received copies of the study prepared�by National Biocentric, Inc. of St. Paul, concerning Moore Lake? The study which the Commissioners had received was concerned with Highland Lake but was prepared by the same company. The Moore Lake report was #246, dated August 27, 1973. Mr. Langenfeld said that he would see that the Commissioners each receive a copy. This report is a proposed study for Anoka County lakes. There is the possibility that some federal funds may be available for this study, but.nothing has been finalized in respect to this. Mr. Langenfeld asked if we were planning to proceed with our weed control £or this Summer and Mr. Blair responded that we were. Mr. Langenfeld explained that several well-versed individuals had been at a meeting of the task force and after listening to their plans for a detailed study, it would be completely impossible for a group of people to attempt such a task and have any success which could be beneficial to solving the problems at Moore Lake. These individuals represented the University of Minnesota and companies which deal with studies of this type. Even if the data could be collected, it would be almost impossible to compile it into data which could be processed and conclusions drawn. �inute$ of the Parks � Recreation Commission Meeting, March 4, 1974. Page 3 , MOORE LAKE �CON�T): � � Mr. Stimmler asked if Brother Sullivan had been invalved in these meetings or had contributed anything which could benefit the City? Mr. Langenfeld said that both Ron Burton and Brother�Sizilivan had done a lot of work in this area, but that no conclusions had been determined. Mr. Langenfeld reported that such things as "swimmers' itch" could be eliminated by merely wiping oneself with a towel after getting out of the water. The fungus would be wiped off, and in this particular case, it doesn't become a problem until it dries on the skin. He went on to say that he had learned that ear infection can be found in people who�swim in pools, as well as lakes. Many times it's connected with horseplay. Mr. Peterson asked if Mr. Langenfeld had contacted Mike 0'Bannon, Anoka County . Commissioner, to see if he could assist with releasing funds for this project? Mr. Langenfeld said that he would certainly check into it. There was some discussion of the sedimentation in Locke Lake, but the majority of the land surrounding the Lake is private property, so the City isn't directly involved. Mr. Wagar said that he felt we should do something to save the Lake, whether we get assistance from the County or not. If the Lake can't be saved, the City will have to look further into the construction of a swimming pool. Mr. Langenfeld w�.11 check with Anoka County and report back to the Commission. EARLY OPEN FOR MOORE LAKE� Mr. Brown asked the Commissioners to refer to a proposed article for the Fridley Sun which deals with the opening date for Moore Lake. He stated that the Beach would be opening the day after School District #14 dismisses for the year, and his question is whether the Commissioners intended for the Beach to be £ull� staffed or just an individual on duty to have access to the phcne. Mr. Blair said that he thought it was their intensio.n to fully staff the beach and install the buoy lines, docks, and life guard towers. � Mr. Brown reported that to fully staff the Beach at that early date is impossible because our staff consists of college students who are not out of school as eaxly� as District #14. Several of our staff inembers are even attending�college out o� state. Mr. Stimmler stated that we can't do half a job. I� we open�the Beach, we have to staff it. Mr. Brown agreed. , . They discussed th,e possibility of having High School students on duty until the regular staff is available, but agreed that it wouldn't really be fair to hire them for a week or two and then put them out of a job. � Mr. Wagar stated that he'd at least like to see some buoy lines installed. Mr. Brown said that he wante�l to know how they want the beach handled and we'd try to hire the s�aff. Mr. Stimmler said that we should try to staff the Beach on June lst, the day after School District #14 dismisses, and Mr. �srown will report back.on whether or,not that can be done. �i�utes o£ the Parks � Recreation Commission Meeting, March�4, 1974. Page 4 MINI BIKING IN FRIDLEY� � The Cammissi.on asked if there had.been any developments in respect to mini biking in Fridley? With Spring approaching, the problem will be increasing. Mr. Blair pointed out that there still aren't any areas where mini bikers can ride. Mr. Stimmler said that as far as he was concerned, mini biking doesn't fit �nto our realm of Recreation and we don't have to provide a place for riding. �r. Peterson concurred. STRRTING DATE FOR PLAYGROUNDS, Mr. Brown briefed the Commission on a request by the Playground Director, Maxine Boone, asking to delay the opening of Playgrounds for one week. The reason for the delay request is that the majority of the staff are college students and don't get out of school until the week prior to the opening of Playgrounds. Each year,� before the opening of Playgrounds, Mrs. Boone conducts a,three-day workshop £or her staff to orientate them with the program. One of the problems which they encounter is that not everyone on the staff is able get to the workshop so soon after they get out of school. The Playgrounds program is a 6 weeks program beginning one week after .Baseball ancl ending one week before Baseball ends. Baseball is an eight weeks program. By delaying the opening date for Playgrounds one week, both programs will end on August 2nd. n ht�TI�N 6y S�mm.2e�r., Secanded 6y Wagcvc, �a de,�ay �he aperu:vig da,te �an P.e.aygnauncfis �a June 24�h, mafu:ng �he pnagnam end an Augu,a� 2nd. The Mo�',c;an ca�,�:ed. ��:���_1��! Mr. Stimmler asked Mr. Brown if there were any changes planned fox the moxn3ng Baseball program? Mr. Brown stated that it would be the same pxogram w�e haye had in the past. Mr. Stimmler pointed out that over the past several years we have had a steady decline in attendance. There were only� two Cub teams. Mx. Brown said that it was the plan of the Department to send a flyer to tAe scRools just be£ore Summer Registration, to arouse interest among the boys. If this effort fails to produce a larger turnout, the plans would be to re-organize the program�fox 1975. Mr. Brown pointed out that Baseball is played at four locations: Pexhaps the answer to the problem would be to centralize .back at the Commons Park. Mr. Stimmler felt that there was a leadership problem within the Baseball program. He said that the lsaseball Director should make certain that the Coaches are doing their jobs. � � Little League Baseball takes a great number of the boys who would otherwise play within the morning program. GYMNASTICS� � Mr. Brown briefed the Commissioners on the proposed Girls' Gymnastics program for the ooming Summer. The program would be held at the Jr. High School. The charge would be $10.00 per girl and the sessions would be for one houx a day, five days • a week, for two weeks. There would be three sessions during tfie Summer. Minutes of the Parks � Recreation Commission Meeting, March 4, 1974. Page 5 GIRLS' GYMNASTICS �CON'T): n MOTION by S�,imm�etc. Seconded c 'NORTH PARK� n e �a nec�mmend �hcr,t �he �tam, and �.w5�huc.t �he Ycvctz�, v�t�s a�. av.cng � n�g�cam e�c.. T e Mo�;i.an catvc,ce .— y Counai,e a��nave n D.vicec�an �� �� n,c:on �Ah Mr. iVagar asked the Commissioners to discuss the situation with the deveiopment of North Park, He stated that the Commission has not, to date, taken an official � stand and he felt that it �vas about time to do so. The last time the item was discussed, , no decisions were made, pending the outcome of surveys. Now that the City Council has taken a stand, he felt that the Commission should also be on record. MUTION by (;,'a.Qatc. Secandecl e S�'.tmm.2eh., �v �.ecammend �a �he c�cvc�, e. Counc,t,2 �hcc,t Nah.th DISCUSSION: Mr. 6Vagar said that it was time for a poll of feelings since the Commission has never sat down and discussed the pros and cons of a golf course or nature center for North Park.. Mr. Stimmler stated that he had attended the Ad Hoc Committee meeting, City Council meetings, and other such meetings, where North Park was discussed, but in each instance, the groups were firmly divided and nothing was accomplished. Mr. Peterson felt that it was unfair to the Commission because of the history of the project. People's emotions, rather than logic, are involved, Mr. Blair asked Mr. Brown if he had seen the proposal by the Metropolitan Airport Commission concerning the use of Janesfield for a golf course? Mr. Brown said that he had. Mr. Blair said that it was rumored that the Blair City Council had discarded the request, but he didn�t know if it was true. Mr. Blair agreed that it was time for the Commission to let their wishes be known. He said that he, personally, was in favor of a golf course, because of the proposed shopping center which Coon Rapids will be building, directly� North of North Park, draining into the Park, and the fact that the Fridley land which surrounds the Park is zoned Industrial. He went on to explain that the City would be accepting a :iability if we agree to develop a Nature Center. It's too di£ficult to get monies within our Budget for the things we need now, without adding another expense. Mr. Wagar said that we'd have a 120 acre zoo. He stated that he's had a tremendous number of phone calls supporting the golf course. He felt that it is the desire of the residents to install a golf course. � Mr. Peterson said that he wasn't ready to take a stand. He has mixed feelings about the development. Gl.i.th B.Q.a„vc, S�i.mm.Ceh., and Wagan vo�',i.ng aye, and P�te�uson a6�5�'iu,n,i.n.g, �he Mo�,i.an ca�vc,i.ed. �ADJOURI�IENT � � Max,i,an by Pe,teh.aon, Seconded by GJagcvc, �a ad1au�cn �he mee,ii.ng a.t 9:45 p..m. The next regular meeting will be held on Monday, March 25, 1974, at 7:30 p.m., in the Community Room of F.ridle 'vic Center. .. • ' . I�es�ect£ully submitted, . . . .......:l. .�...�..r����• r._____i'_'_" `_ `L_ /�__�'_�'.��.