PR 07/22/1974�`' �1'iNUTES OF THE REGUIJ�R PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING. JULY �, 1974� �;��
Nleeting was called to order at 7:50 p.m., by Chairn�an Blair. .
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N�ERS PRESENT: Blair, Caldwell, Wagar.
n N��ERS EXCUSID: Peterson, Harris.
O�i��t.S PRESIIVT: Zane Kaiser, 751 Overton Drive N.E. , 55432, 566-2865, B�ble ��ub.
Keith Ci�lens, 7729 Knollwood. Drive, Nlr�unclsview, 55432, 784-1830,
Fridley Lions Club, 2nd Vice President.
Jim Snow, 4534 Dupont Avenue North, Mpls, 55412, 529-9004, Fridley
Lions Club, President.
Maynard Nielsen, 4655 22 Street N.E., 55432, 560-6608, Fridley
Lions Club, lst Vice President.
Jon Parker, 7074 Amundson Avenue South, 55435, 941-1448, Guitar
Lessons.
Steve Moser, 200 Hugo Street NE, 55432, ?84-7133, Ruth Circle Park.
Paul Brown, Director of Parks & Recreation.
Curt Dahlberg, Park For�nan.
Cathie Stordahl, Secretary to the Conmission.
BIBLE CLUB�
Mr. Zane Kaiser was present to ask the Cam�nission's perm.ission to conduct Bible
Study classes for youth, at one of Fridley's Parks. He stated that he had no
specific park in mind, but that he would like to have the use of bathroans, if at
all possible. They're planning to hold the classes frcgn 3:30 to 5 each day with
2 or 3 people i� charge.
Mr. Kaiser reports that their attendance is increasing quite rapidly in St. Paul.
�1 With this response in mind, they are expanding theis program and hope to include
Fridley. �
Mr. Brown felt that the City would be receptive to the prograrn on a one year,
rotating basis. His thought was that they wauld move on to another munic�pality
ne�t year. The Cca�anissioners agreed with this suggestion.
The location of the classes was discussed, and it was generally agre�ed that Locke
Park would be an ideal location because of the passive nature of the park and the
fact that bathroan facilities w�+arFj availak�le c��,~-ir� the day.
M�TI�N by tVagan, Seearlded by Ca..�d�veP.2, �a pe�n�.i.i x�ze Pa3ev.i,P.2e Ba�.ti��t� Chutcch �o
canduc,t ��.62e C.2a���e� tin Lacfze Pcuc:tz �nam Auc�u.�� i2.#,lt .�I2nough Augu.6� t6�h, �nam
3: 30 �0 5: 00 p. m. , w.i.ih �he .�de.a �h.a.� �hey uzi.P� nc��cz,te w.i.th a�he�e. mu►�.i.e.i.pcc2;i,�-i-e�s
ano�he�c ye.atr.. Th.e Ma�.i,on eanh.i.ed.
GUITAR LESSONS�
Mr. Jon Parker was in attendance at the meeting ta propose sane C�.iitar Lessons for
the residents of Fridley. He opened the discussion with sane of his personal
backround. He stated that he was a eollege graduate and has taught within Fridley's
Elementary School syst�n.
Mr. Parker explained that his personal experience indicates that it's not hard to
find guitar players, but it is hard to find guitar teachers and especially those
� who also have an cducation backround. The present status of his organization
includes lessons in Shoreview, Ardex► Hills, Blocn►ington, Edina, Rasanotznt, West
St. Paul, South St. Paul, Burnsville, and Osseo. His instructors teach the basic
fundamentals of guitar, and lu�aw haw to adapt it to the classrocYn. Just recently,
his municipalities have included St. Louis Park, and one of the Minneapolis School
system_s.
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GUITAR LESSONS CCON'T):
n Mr. Parker stated that their group lesson program is for 10 weeks, and they feel
that after a year, the student should be eligible.for private lessons. The minimum
age is 4th grade, and his oldest student is about 75. They limit the classes to
10 people.
It is their experience that after the 10 weeks, about 7 of the students are interested
in furthering their abilities. Within the first 10 weeks, the students learn the basic
cords and fundamentals. The second 10 week session teaches them the finer points of
the guitar and haw to �iooth out the basic cords and make them a little nicer. 'I'he
third 10 w�ek session teaches the students sane music theory and how to read notes.
So after a one year program, they have a very sound backraund on the guitar. At
that time, they should have det�xmined whether or not this is the type of thing they
wauld like to continue with. Frcm this point, they are ready for private lessons.
Many of the instructors are available for private lessons. Private lessons enable
the student to specialize in classical, jazz, rock-n-roll, finger-pickin', or the
various other styles of guitar. I t is surprising, though, that the trend is not
toward rock-n-roll. .
Mr. Parker state� that most of his time-now is spent with the hiring and training of
teachers. A lot of the teachers cane fro�n a teaching backround or rnusical backround
already. _
Mrs. Caldwell asked for the manner of payment. Mr. Parker stated that the Recreation
Department w�uld collect the fees ar�d he would sutx�nit a invoice to the Depart�►ent at
the end of the session. ���ge ��d be $1.50 for 1 week_ In cx�nparison to the
� amr�unt char ged b y music studios or private individuals, this is very nozninal• Ten
lessons vaould cast an individual $15.00.
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Mrs. Caldwell asked how many students would be in each class? Mr. Parker stated. that
tYiey txy to hold the classes at 10, but if mare aame, they either allaw one or two
additional students into the class, or if more than that are interested, they will
divide the class so that individual attention is still given.
Mr. F9agar asked if we would be asking for problems by offering lessons wher� we have
Brunkaw's Music locatFd within Fridley, who offex musical lessons? Mr. Parker
stated that he had spoken with Mr. Brunkaw and received a very favorable response.
Mr. Brunkc.xa specializes in band and orchestra instrtnz�nt ].essons, and not in
guitar.
The Cce�mission asked Mr. Parker about the location of the lessons and the type
of facilities he'd be needing. Mr. Parker stated that he would be in need of a
room large enougli to house approximately 10 students and their guitars. He said
that he'd be receptive to using the school or any place of this type. They
discussed a central location and felt that possibly Hayes School would be a good
location. �
The lessons would be offered after school which saves sane transportati-on probl�ns
for the parents.
The Conmission asked Mr. BraNm to aonfez with Mr. Brurilcc�v in respeet to the offering
of these lessons, and report back. to them at the next meeting.
MOTIJN 6y Ca.PcleueP�., Seeonded by Glagcvc, �a .�aoFz �.►a.ta eoand.i.na,t.i.ng gc�.i.tan .2e�sborvs w.i,th
�he �ehaa.0 d,i,a�uc,i and nepa� bacf� �a �6i2 Cain►ni.a��.an a,i �he Augu�� mee,ti.veg. The
(No�',i.an catvu.ed.
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LIONS CLUB DONATION�
i1 Three representatives of the Fridley Lions Club were present on behalf of their
organization, to ask the Comnission for suggestions on possible donations to the
Parks & Recreation Departm�nt. Mr. Jim Snaw, President, c�ned the presentation
by explaining that he had invited Maynard Nielsen and Keith Ctimanens to be present
with him in the event that a project suggestion would involve more than his one
year in office. Mr. Snaw stated that they were partial to M�oore Lake Beach and
Park, but that they had taken care of the picnic area and lighting the flag pole,
so were naa open to suggestions.
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Mr. Dahlberg stated that since they were partial to Moore Lake Beach, perhaps they
would be interested in beocening involved in an aeration system for_the lake. This
type of system has been used in other municipalities, and appears to be daing a
great deal of good..
Mr. Brown stated that there was a need for some doired pic�ic shelters in s� of the
parks, as well as a"crow's nest" for the contxol panel at the Cca��nons Football
field. He stated that there had been same talk about build:ing a storage building
for the football, hor.key, and baseball eau.ipment. It was thought that perhaps the
two could be done at the same time, locating the "craw's nest" on top of the storage
building. The idea ha.s been tabled. due to the exaessive costs in�rolved.
Mr. Bzvwn also reoo�nended the West Moore Lake Park area as.a good. area to
consider for a project. The area residents would prefer to�have the area remain
in its natura]. state, but Mr. Brown feels that it could be cleaned up and perhaps
same park benches added, without disturbing plant life and wild life.
Mr. Brawn suggested that perhaps a n�w sign system, similar to the one located at
M�oore Lake, which was designed and constructc�d by a couple of boy scouts� could be
adopted for the entire Fridley Park systen. Another suggestion might be the
portable band shell which had been requested by the Fridley City Band. ,
Mrs. Caldwell asked if the Lions were interested in funding a Youth Center for the
youth of the c�munity? Mr. Snaw stated that they were, but thought that this
wauld be taken care of with the construction of a Y.M.C.A. in Fridley. The Lions
Club has set $10,000.00 aside for the Y.M.C.A., but he has heard that their land is
now for sale and the chances are that they will not be locating in Fridley. In
that event, the money will be used for scxne other civic function. Mr. Snaw went on
to say that they try not to have any money remaining at the end of the year, because
they are taxed on this amount. They do give money to groups involved with seeing
and hearing probl�ns, as well many other civic organizations.
Mr. Snow said that he would take these suggestions back to the Lions Club and that
they w�uld decide on a project. He'll be reporting back to the Cca�mission as soon
as the decision is made. Mr. Blair thanked the gentl�nen for cc�ni.ng.
RUTH CIRCLE PARK�
Mr. Steve Nbser was present at the meeting to ask the CaYmissioners if they had
made any plans for the lots which were purchased adjacent to Ruth Circle Park and
his property? He stated that at the time he purchased his hane, the adjacent lots
� were zoned as residential ar�d he thought hcmes would be built on th�n. N�, he
fi.nds he lives next door to city park, and he is wondering just what type of facilities
are planned for this immediate area.
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RUTH CIRCLE PARK �CON�T):
�� Mr. Brown explained that there was a need for a parking facility at Ruth Circle,
and further plans include a hard surface court and a tennis court. This is all
to be bui.lt on the North er�d of Ruth Circle Park. .
Mr. Nlpser asked if there was a time table which might tell him when this wr�uld be
installed? Mr. Blair said that to Yiis knowledge, no time tabl� had been set. Mr.
Brc�m agreed.
Mr. Nioser stated that he'd rather not see the area developed, and asked if he could
be kept informed of the status of development. Mr. Blair said that this could be
done, but Mr. Brown recarmtended that he keep in contact with the Departanent, since
it becomes very difficult to keep track of each i.ndividual and their particular
situations. Mr. Brawn went on i:o suggest that Mr. Moser call the City Hall in
the Spring to inquire about possible develo�xnent for the caning Swnner, and also
to see just what is being incorporated into the coming year's budget. Both Mr.
Blair and Mr. Wagar agreed that they doubt if there will be any develo�nent on
the new property for at least five years, but could not make that a firm
cceranittznent.
Mr. Pdoser said that he will check in with the Department as Mr. Brawn has
recommended.
BEER ORD I N{-1NCE �
n Mr. Blaix asked Mr. Brown for the status of liquor arid be�x within the City Parks.
Mr. Brown reported that according to the City Attorney, both liquor and beer are
prohibited on City property. Mr. Blair asked if copies of the Ordin�ance could be
mailed out, for their inforn�ation? Mr. Brawn said that this would be done.
MINUTES OF THE JUNE 2�, 19%4 MEETING�
MOTIc�N by GJagan, Seevv�ded by Ca,2dw2?.e, �a a��nove �he H(.c:�.u�e�s o� �he Pevck�s and
Reetce.a��v� C�mm.v��5�,�n Mee�`.i.ny, dct,ted June 24, 1914. The Ma.tt.an ecvvr,i.ed.
BEACH STICKERS�
Mr. Blair asked the CaYmissioners for their opinion regarding the use of the
beach stickers for Moore Lake Beach. Mrs. Caldwell stated that she was opposed
to the stickers since the people are parking on the streets and the parking lot
stands vacant. She said that the people gark on the side streets as well as on
Central Avenue, and then cut through the yards to get down to the Beach.
After sane general discussion on.the possibilities of a better soluti.on to the
situation, Mr. Blair reca�nended. that the stickers be eliminated.
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�IIY FENCING POLICY�
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Seeav�ded b wa cuc, �a ne uP�S� �licLt �he C-i.ty C�uv[c,i.� hev�.ew
. cUc ,ev�c� . e�em,e�i5 cLt ��ne La e�eae an Pcvc , an �� tiv�
,cvra.�Cnq �same. T e a�',c.�n catvc�. .
Mr. Bra�m ask� the Cce�m.ission for their suggestions in respect to the handling of
requests for the City to install fences to divide thsir property and the City Park.
It was Mr. Brawn's suggestion that a defini.te policy be fornlulated, and that perhaps
one suggestion would be for the resident to pay half of the ��xpense, and the City
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FENCING �CON`T):
n to take care of the other half. Mr. Blair and Mr. Wagar felt that a fifty-fifty
policy would be a good idea.
Mr. Dahlberg said that in a case where more than one party is in�olved, perhaps
each party could pay for half of cost for the portion of the fence he would
utilize. If two residents ancl the City were involved with the same fence, a
percentage would have to be vx�rked out.
Mr. Blair said that the Carunission should check into the law to see just what would
be permissible.
NAMING OF HAMILTON�S ADDITION TO MECHANICSVILLE�
As'a result of a contest held on the Playgrounds, the Ccc�unissioners were given a
list of the suggested names for the property located within Hamilton's Addition to
Mechanicsville. After careful consideration, Mrs. Caldwell said that she felt
"Jubilee Park" was appropriate for the Silver Anniversary of Fridley. Mr. Wagar
agreed, and said that he also liked the name "Hartznan Park."
MOTIUN by Ca,�cfive,P�C, See�nded by Glagan, �a a.cce�� �he name ob "Jub-i.e.ee Panh." San �he
na�e�r�y �.n Ham,i,E'��n'�s A'cTc�i�,�an �a h� c ra►ue�sv.i.�e, a�s ��m.e.t.te y Sue Sa ejc.P.e:n ,
5073 Hug ers vev�ue N. �. T e h a�`,t.v�1 ecurtu.e .
The Parks and Recreation Department will notify Miss Soderlind that she has won the
o�ntest, ordex the sign for the Park, and make arrangements for the Fridley Sun to
n cane out to the Park to take a picture for the paper.
ADJOURNMENT�
M�TIDN �o adjawtn �he mee,t.i.ng at 9:30 �.m.
The n�t regular meeting will be held on Monday, August 26, 1974, at 7:30 p.m., in the
Cca�nunity F2r.�n of Fridley Civic Center.
Respectfully suk�mitted, �
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CATI�E STORDAI�,, Secretary to the Cc�nnission
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