PLM 11/19/2014
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CITY OF FRIDLEY
November 19, 2014
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Kondrick
called the Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:01 p.m.
ROLL CALL:
MEMBERS PRESENT:
David Kondrick
Brad Sielaff
Dean Saba
Leroy Oquist
Tim Solberg
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Todd Olin
OTHERS PRESENT:
Julie Jones, Planning Manager
Stacy Stromberg, Planner
Tim Olson, DeMars Signs
Mohsen Aghamirzai, University Auto Sales & Service LLC
Hossen Aghamirzai, University Auto Sales & Service LLC
Todd Ofshun, TCO Design
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Deb Skogen, on behalf of her mom, 5311 4 Street NE
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Pat Breitkreutz, 5315 4 Street NE
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Pam Donley, 5305 4 Street NE
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES:
August 20, 2014
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to approve the minutes as presented. Seconded by Commissioner
Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
1. PUBLIC HEARING:
Consideration of a Resolution for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-06, by DeMars Signs, to allow an
electronic changeable message sign as part of the free-standing sign, generally located at 6161
Highway 65 NE.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to open the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED AT 7:02
P.M.
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Stacy Stromberg
, Planner, stated the petitioner, Tim Olson, of DeMars Signs, who is representing Mary
Tjosvold, the new owner of Crooners Lounge and Supper Club (formerly The Shorewood) at 6161
Highway 65, is requesting a special use permit to incorporate an electronic changeable message center as
part of the existing free-standing sign.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the Shorewood had an 80 square foot free-standing sign on site, with a manual
reader board sign. The petitioner plans to use the sign base structure that already exists and mount a new
sign panel with “Crooners” on it and then install a 2-foot by 9-foot electronic reader board sign.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the subject property is located on Highway 65, just north of Moore Lake. It is
zoned C-3, General Shopping as are the properties to the north and east. Based on reviewing the building
records for this address, it appears the existing building was constructed prior to 1949. The original free-
standing sign was constructed in 1967. The site was once used as a City Liquor Store. In 1971, the City
sold the property to the Shorewood Inn. Since the Shorewood purchased the property in 1971, the use of
the property as a restaurant has remained with some changes in ownership. The property was recently
sold to Mary Tjosvold, who is the owner of Crooners Lounge and Supper Club.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the free-standing sign on site has been modified several times over the years to
allow the business name to change.
Ms. Stromberg
stated electronic changeable signs are an approved special use in any zoning district,
except residential, provided the message doesn’t change more often than once every 45 seconds. The sign
also needs to be in conformance with the sign requirements for the zoning district, in which the property
is located. The subject property is zoned, C-3 General Shopping, which requires that free standing
signage cannot exceed 80 square feet in size. The existing sign structure will be used, and the new sign
face that says “Crooners Lounge and Supper Club” is 54 square feet, and the electronic reader board
portion of the sign will be 18 square feet for a total sign square footage of 72 square feet.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City Staff recommends approval of the special use permit as electronic changeable
signs are an approved special use in the commercial zoning district, provided the sign complies with Code
requirements, subject to stipulations.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City Staff recommends that if the special use permit is granted, the following
stipulations be attached:
1. Permit No. 2014-02082 issued on October 15, 2014, allows the installation of the
electronic message center sign upon City Council approval.
2. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under Section
214.07 of the Fridley City Code.
3. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract vehicular
traffic in the area.
4. Existing sign base structures shall be painted and maintained in good condition.
Ms. Stromberg
stated Stipulation No. 1 had been modified from what is in their packet as the petitioner
has already obtained a sign permit for the sign face change and this permit also covers the electronic
changeable message sign. Instead of making him get two permits, staff included both portions of the sign
in one permit, provided Council approves the special use permit at their meeting.
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Commissioner Sielaff
asked what does Stipulation No. 3 mean?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, Fridley's sign code does say that an electronic sign such as this cannot flash or
have motion.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked Mr. Olson if he was able to speak to the sign and what they are asking the
sign to do, the placement of it, the painting of it, etc.?
Tim Olson
, DeMars Signs, replied, it will be exactly as the picture shown. It will be 2 x 9. It will be red
L.E.D. It will not be full color. As Ms. Stromberg said, it cannot flash which always creates a
distraction. They just want to announce specials. His boss did that sign the very first time for the City
back in 1967. The structure is still there. They tore all the old brick base out of there. The pylons are
still in great condition, and they reskinned that whole structure with aluminum premium. It looks really
nice. It will really help out their business.
Commissioner Kondrick
stated this is pretty much of standard operating procedure here. He does not
see any problem with this and is sure they can use the sign to attract some business there.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to close the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT 7:10
P.M.
MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff approving Resolution No. ____ for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-06,
by DeMars Signs, to allow an electronic changeable message sign as part of the free-standing sign,
generally located at 6161 Highway 65 NE with the following stipulations:
1. Permit No. 2014-02082 issued on October 15, 2014, allows the installation of the
electronic message center sign upon City Council approval.
2. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under Section
214.07 of the Fridley City Code.
3. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract vehicular
traffic in the area.
4. Existing sign base structures shall be painted and maintained in good condition.
Seconded by Commissioner Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. PUBLIC HEARING:
Consideration of a Resolution for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-05, by University Auto Sales &
Service LLC; to allow an indoor used car sales facility, generally located at 7700 University Avenue.
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3. PUBLIC HEARING:
Consideration of a Resolution for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-08, by University Auto Sales &
Service LLC; to allow an electronic changeable message sign as part of a free-standing sign,
generally located at 7700 University Avenue.
MOTION
by Commissioner Solberg to open the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED AT 7:15
P.M.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner, Mohsen Aghamirzai, the owner of University Auto Sales & Service
LLC is requesting two (2) special use permits in order to operate his business from the property located at
7700 University Avenue. The first special use permit the petitioner is requesting is to allow an indoor car
sales business. The second special use permit request is to allow an electronic changeable message center
sign to be incorporated with the free-standing sign.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the subject property is located on the University Avenue Service Drive, just north
of Osborne Road. It is zoned C-3, General Shopping as are the properties to the north, west and south.
When the lot was developed in 1976, a lot split was approved by the City Council to allow the creation of
the subject lot. Also at this time a variance was approved to reduce the north side yard setback from 15
feet to 5 feet, and a special use permit was approved to allow an automotive transmission repair and
service use. Once those land use requests were approved by the City Council, the existing building was
constructed as was the free-standing sign.
Ms. Stromberg
stated Kennedy Transmission remained in this location until a few years ago. Since then
the site has continued to be used for vehicle repairs.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner is in negotiations with the property owner to purchase the property,
contingent upon the City’s approval of the special use permits being reviewed in this report.
Ms. Stromberg
stated agencies selling or displaying new and/or used vehicles is a permitted special use
in the C-3, General Shopping zoning district, subject to stipulations suggested by staff. Two examples of
other special use permits that have been approved for this type of use in Fridley are Friendly Chevrolet
and Hilltop Trailer. In both these situations, some vehicles are displayed inside but the majority of them
are displayed outside. The petitioner’s request is the first business in Fridley to display vehicles for sale
only inside.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner has four other sales locations in the metro area; however this will be
the first location with only indoor sales. The petitioner has articulated to staff that he would like to model
this store after Poquet Auto, which is located in Golden Valley and has the same set-up with vehicles
displayed inside the building. The inside of the existing building will be completely remodeled to allow
the display of 25-35 vehicles. The petitioner also plans to update the existing bathrooms and install a new
office and waiting area.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the outdoor improvements will include enhancements to the exterior of the
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building by re-painting the building and installing approximately 8 glass overheard doors on the east
elevation. Installing these glass doors will open up the building and allow vehicle access in and out of the
building. A main door vestibule will also be constructed to the front of the building with a clear path
designated throughout the inside of the building to the waiting/office area. Landscape modifications are
also planned to update the existing neglected landscape.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the proposed change in use and modifications the petitioner plans to make to both
the interior and exterior of this property comply with City code requirements, provided the petitioner can
comply with stipulations and staff believes will be a welcome improvement to the property.
Ms. Stromberg
stated electronic changeable signs are an approved special use in any zoning district,
except residential, provided the message doesn’t change more often than once every 45 seconds. The sign
also needs to be in conformance with the sign requirements for the zoning district, in which the property
is located.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the subject property is zoned, C-3 General Shopping, which requires that free
standing signage can exceed 80 square feet in size. There is an existing sign pole on-site that was used
for Kennedy Transmission. Staff understands that the petitioner will use the existing sign pole and will
add a 51 square foot sign face with the business name and logo to the top of the pole, and then add a 24.7
square foot electronic changeable message sign. Both pieces of the sign will be a total of 75.7 square
feet, which meets code size requirements.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City Staff recommends approval of these special use permits, with stipulations.
Ms. Stromberg
stated agencies selling or displaying new and/or used vehicles are an approved special
use permit in commercial zoning districts, provided stipulations can be met.
Ms. Stromberg
stated electronic changeable signs are an approved special use in the commercial zoning
district, provided the sign complies with Code requirements, subject to stipulations.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City staff recommends the following stipulations be attached to SP #14-05 (indoor
vehicle sales):
1. The petitioner shall meet all building, plumbing and fire code requirements.
2. The petitioner shall obtain any required permits prior to remodel of the property
3. Overhead doors on the east side of the building shall be made of glass.
4. Vehicles for sale shall not be displayed outside, except during test drives.
5. Parking on-site outside shall be for customers and employees only.
6. All washing of vehicles shall take place inside building, provided necessary building
code requirements can be met, and no vehicle washing shall take place outside.
7. The petitioner shall submit a landscape plan to City staff for review and approval at the
same time as building permit submittal for remodel.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City staff recommends the following stipulations be attached to SP #14-08
(electronic changeable message center):
1. Prior to sign installation, a sign permit and current sign erector license shall be obtained.
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2. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under Section
214.07 of the Fridley City Code.\
3. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract vehicular
traffic in the area.
4 Existing sign base structures shall be painted and maintained in good condition.
Commissioner Saba
asked whether there will be any repairs or modifications of any of the vehicles in
the facility?
Ms. Stromberg
replied based on what she knows there will not be any repair going on. The petitioner
can probably answer that question. The property does have a special use permit that allows vehicle repair
but, based on the illustrations that were submitted, she is not sure where that would take place inside
because it seems like it is fully used for display.
Mohsen Aghamirzai
, University Auto Sales & Service LLC, stated he is the general manager of
University Auto Sales & Service.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked Mr. Aghamirzai if the stipulations are understandable and does he agree
with them?
Mr. Aghamirzai
replied, the stipulations are quite understandable and they are very reasonable. In
regards to the previous question about service, no, there will not be any repairs at all in the property.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked whether there would be any oil changes, etc.?
Mr. Aghamirzai
replied, no, not at all.
Commissioner Oquist
asked the petitioner about Stipulation No. 6, stating all washing of vehicles shall
take place inside the building. Does he have a facility to do that?
Mr. Aghamirzai
replied, they are not really intending to do full detailing inside the building. They
intend for the vehicles to be fully detailed at other facilities and for the cars to come to 7700 University
Avenue essentially all done and presentable and ready to go. Although from time to time, especially in
this type of climate and season, they may need to do some cleaning. That will take place inside. For
example, a car rolls in and has ice or mud or such thing, it would be washed off right away inside.
Commissioner Oquist
asked whether he has a drain area where they would be able to wash it?
Mr. Aghamirzai
replied the property already has a catch basin and a drain structure.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to close the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT 7:22
P.M.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated he has no problem with this. It is straightforward and he is going to do
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what he is asked. It seems like a good idea to him.
MOTION
by Commissioner Solberg Adopting Resolution No. ____ for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-05,
by University Auto Sales & Service LLC; to allow an indoor used car sales facility, generally located at
7700 University Avenue with the following stipulations:
1. The petitioner shall meet all building, plumbing and fire code requirements.
2. The petitioner shall obtain any required permits prior to remodel of the property.
3. Overhead doors on the east side of the building shall be made of glass.
4. Vehicles for sale shall not be displayed outside, except during test drives.
5. Parking on-site outside shall be for customers and employees only.
6. All washing of vehicles shall take place inside building, provided necessary building
code requirements can be met, and no vehicle washing shall take place outside.
7. The petitioner shall submit a landscape plan to City staff for review and approval at the
same time as building permit submittal for remodel.
Seconded by Commissioner Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY
MOTION
by Commissioner Solberg Adopting Resolution No. ____ for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-08,
by University Auto Sales & Service LLC; to allow an electronic changeable message sign as part of a
free-standing sign, generally located at 7700 University Avenue with the following stipulations:
1. Prior to sign installation, a sign permit and current sign erector license shall be obtained.
2. Message on L.E.D. sign shall not change more often than authorized under Section
214.07 of the Fridley City Code.
3. Message on L.E.D. sign shall never flash or have motion that may distract vehicular
traffic in the area.
4. Existing sign base structures shall be painted and maintained in good condition.
Seconded by Commissioner Saba
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. PUBLIC HEARING:
Consideration of a Resolution for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-07, by TCO Design, to allow a
comprehensive home health care use in an R-3, Multi-Family zoning district, generally located at
5310 4th Street NE.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to open the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED AT 7:24
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P.M.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner, Todd Ofsthun, with TCO Design, on behalf of A.P. Ventures is
seeking a special use permit to allow the construction of a comprehensive home care building at 5310 4th
Street. The property is zoned R-3, Multi-Family, and clinic type uses are allowed in this zoning district
with a special use permit.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the proposed facility will have a Comprehensive Home Care Provider License
through the Minnesota Department of Health.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the owners of this project have affiliations with Allina, Fairview, and the
University of Minnesota to offer the use of the proposed facility to potential patients. The patients using
the facility will be recovering from surgery, transplant (pre-op and post-op) or another type of medical
procedure that leaves them needing extensive rehab and medical services. This type of use is needed for
patients, who for medical reasons, cannot be on their own and do not have family or friends who can care
for them.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the proposed building will be three stories, with a maximum height of
approximately 35 feet. Each level will have five (5) separate bedrooms for patients and a common area,
with living room, kitchen, bathroom, and laundry. The site plan allows for six surface parking stalls and
two garage stalls. All garbage and recycling containers will be stored inside the building. The petitioner
has also submitted a landscape plan showing new tree, shrub and perennial plantings and will be required
to construct storm water treatment on site to ensure that drainage is maintained on site.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the subject property is zoned R-3, Multi-Family and has been since the City’s first
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zoning map. The majority of this neighborhood (east of University Avenue, north of 53 Avenue, and
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west of 7 Street) is zoned R-3, Multi-Family, with some parcels in the middle of the neighborhood zoned
R-2, Two-Family and parcels on the east edge zoned R-1, Single Family. Within this neighborhood is a
mix of single-family homes, duplexes, 4-plexes and larger unit buildings. The Bona Brothers property on
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the corner of University Avenue and 53 Avenue was rezoned from R-3, Multi-Family to C-2, General
Business, in 1971 and 1999 to allow that use to exist.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the original house on the subject property was constructed prior to 1949. A
detached garage that was accessed off the alley was then constructed in 1953. Based on building permit
records this house had foundation issues, so there was work on the foundation done in both 1957 and is
2003. The house and garage were demolished in 2011, and the lot has remained vacant since then.
Ms. Stromberg
stated hospitals, clinics, and convalescent/nursing homes are a permitted special use in
the R-3; Multi-Family zoning district provided that the proposed project complies with the requirements
for the special use permit, subject to the stipulations. The proposed use as a comprehensive home care
use is most comparable to a clinic, convalescent or rehab facility use and therefore staff has determined
that a special use permit would be required for the proposed use to exist on this site.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the proposed building is 2,920 square feet in size and will be 3 stories. Based on
the slope of the lot, the building will look like a 3-story building from the alley and more like a 2-story
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building from 4 Street. Each floor will have 5 separate bedrooms, so the building has the ability to
house a total of 15 patients. Because of the medical conditions the patients have, they are unable to drive.
As a result, parking needs for this use will be for the staff and visitors to the site. The petitioner has
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articulated that the maximum number of staff on site at any one time will be 6. Any staff meetings for
employees will either occur off-site or through electronic media. The site plan shows 6 surface parking
stalls and 2 garage stalls within the building, both areas will be accessed from the alley for a total of 8
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parking stalls. The building will only be accessed from 4 Street through the use of a sidewalk.
Ms. Stromberg
stated based on Code requirements for a nursing home, which is the most similar use to
the comprehensive home care use, 8 parking stalls are required. Though the parking requirements are
being met, staff does have concerns as to how this use will function and whether 8 stalls will be enough.
As a result, a stipulation will be placed on the special use permit that states if on-street parking becomes
an issue for this site, the special use permit will need to go back before the City Council for further
review. The special use permit will also need to go back before the Council for review if in the future the
use of the building is changed. The building as designed could not work if people residing in it did not
have health conditions that did not allow them to drive.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the proposed expansion meets lot coverage and setback requirements. The
petitioner has submitted a landscape plan and a grading and drainage plan. Both of those plans will be
further reviewed by City staff prior to issuance of a building permit.
Ms. Stromberg
stated City Staff recommends approval of this special use permit request as hospital,
clinics and nursing homes are a permitted special use in the R-3, Single Family zoning district.
Ms. Stromberg
stated staff recommends that if the special use permit is granted, the following
stipulations be attached:
1. The petitioner shall obtain all necessary permits prior to construction.
2. The petitioner shall meet all building, fire, and ADA requirements.
3. City engineering staff to review and approve grading, drainage, and utility plan prior to
issuance of a building permit.
4. Landscape and Irrigation plan to be reviewed and approved by City Staff prior to
issuance of building permit.
5. If on-street parking becomes an issue as a result of this use, the special use permit and
options for additional parking shall be further reviewed by the City Council.
6. If the comprehensive home health care use changes, the special use permit shall be
further reviewed by the City Council.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated there are going to be some people visiting. Across the front of the
property on the street, there might be room for four cars that he could see when he drove by. Is he right?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, yes, he is right if he is talking about just directly in front of the property. Ideally
they want the use to sustain its own parking on site. They do not want even visitors to park on the street
because the City is saying this use is allowed but they need to make sure they are meeting their parking
requirement. There will absolutely be times when visitors are parking on the street. People do that
anyways when they visit. However, the City wants to make sure that does not become an issue for the
neighborhood.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked, what does that mean, issue?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, if they start getting complaints or, as staff is out doing inspections in the
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neighborhood and notice that there really seems to be a problem, then that is when they would start
monitoring it and then determine whether it should go back to Council.
MOTION
by Commissioner Solberg receiving memo dated November 17, 2014, from Todd Ofsthun.
Seconded by Councilmember Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Todd Ofsthun,
TCO Design, stated he just wanted to note that it is qualified based on code as a nursing
home. It is not really that type. The patients will be there a minimum of 60 days and stay averaging up to
two years. It is not going to be as high of turnover of patients. Most of the patients will be bedridden.
They are high acuity type of patients, bariatric, post-operative, organ transplants, dialysis - very
immobile. They do not anticipate many visitors at all. The seed of this building is kind of based on two
buildings, one in Brooklyn Center and one in Brooklyn Park run by Plateau Health Care. Those are a
little bit smaller and this one is much more high tech. They are going to be using telemedicine, tele-ICU,
connected through Fairview which will also minimize doctor visits, nursing visits, and keep the staff very
low, the activity level will be very low.
Mr. Ofsthun
stated the buildings in Brooklyn Park and Brooklyn Center are very close to where he gets
his plans. Therefore, whenever he had a chance he would swing by, maybe 10 times each building and
not once did he see any cars in front of the place. They had less parking than they will have.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked, do they expect all the deliveries to occur in the back? Through the
alleyway?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, all would be through the alley. Yes, by medical standards this is a relatively small
facility. Deliveries will be via more the FedEx/UPS style vans.
Commissioner Oquist
stated he noticed they have a kitchen on each floor and they will be preparing the
meals for the patients who are there in those kitchens, right?
Mf. Ofsthun
replied there are going to be some, maybe a lot, of premade meals because again he thinks it
is more of a hospital-type thing. He does not know whether there will be a lot of cooking but, yes, there
will be some preparation of some kind. He does not see it as commercial-type thing. The kitchen layouts
are very preliminary.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked, what is the largest number of staff you have there?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, 6. It is 2 per floor, which is what the license will require.
Julie Jones, ,
Planning Managerasked about deliveries. She did not see an "office" notated on the
drawing. When deliveries are made through the garage door, is there some sort of a mud room?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, there is a mud room area, if you want to call it. Again the deliveries are not
anticipated to be that grand that staff cannot come from the third floor and accept that delivery and deliver
up to that level. If will be up to the staff of each unit if you will to get the supplies that they need.
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Commissioner Sielaff
asked if the six staff would be there 24/7?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, yes, it will be required with these types of patients.
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Deb Skogen
stated she was here representing her mother who lives across the street at 5311 4 Street. To
assist her mother, Ms. Skogen has reviewed the City's zoning code, as well as Minn. Stat. § 144A which
references nursing home and home health care licenses for the comprehensive home care providers that
became effective January 1 of this year.
Ms. Skogen
stated she understands the facility is planned to be the same size as the 4-unit apartment
building next door, and it meets all the zoning requirements. With the passage of the Affordable Health
Care Act or "Obama Care", she understands there are many changes occurring in our health care.
Ms. Skogen
stated the applicant has stated the principals are motivated to use the facility as a model for
future facilities. While she commends the business of comprehensive home health care, she is not sure
this specific location is the right place for it.
Ms. Skogen
asked, who is actually going to be licensed? What is the name of the company going to be?
What is their model specifically?
Ms. Skogen
asked, will it include the telemedicine that the University is proposing where you have a
screen in each room and are telecommunicating with a doctor or nurse? Also, what kind of a license is
this going to be? Is it going to be a Class A license?
Ms. Skogen
stated they have been told there is a maximum of six employees at the facility daily. She
understands there are five parking stalls plus one handicap parking stall on the outside of the building
with two parking inside. If this is a Class A facility, the statement of home health care services that the
State has designed have many services they could be providing. Will there only be six employees or
could there be additional employees for some of these services which include advanced nursing,
registered nurse services, licensed practical nurse services, physical therapy services, occupational
therapy services, speech/language services, respiratory therapy services, social worker services, services
of a dietician or nutritionist, medication management?
Ms. Skogen
asked who will be making the meals and assisting the patients, who will be doing their
housekeeping? Will it be the same individual that is on the floor or will it be various different
individuals? Where the site is located with the alley, where are they going to store the snow so the six
parking stalls remain open?
Ms. Skogen
asked, who will be referring the patients? Will the individual patient or their families have
the ability, if they find the location, to use it? They have been told that these are patients who will be
there a minimum of two months. In the letter included tonight it states they have an average of a two-year
stay. But they do not have any visitors. She finds it hard to believe that family and friends would not
visit.
Ms. Skogen
stated if they had a facility having 15 patient rooms that were full. Say one out of five
patients had a visitor, that is three visitors, plus you have six workers. You have nine vehicles most likely
on that site at that time. She does not believe people will be coming by bus or even bicycle; they will be
driving.
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Ms. Skogen
asked whether there is going to be any signage on the building about what this health care
facility is? Will it be on the building or in the yard?
Ms. Skogen
stated she did drive by today the two units Mr. Ofsthun spoke of and she did find parking on
the street in Brooklyn Center and Brooklyn Park. She took some pictures. There were three cars parked
on the street in Brooklyn Park and two cars parked in the front area that they allow and the driveway was
completely empty. She found the same was true for the property in Brooklyn Center. And these are
single-family homes, ramblers that have been changed into this type of a home. You are looking at 4 or 5
units vs. 15 units.
Ms. Skogen
asked, what happens if this model does not work? What happens to the building? What else
can go in there? What would their protocol be in an emergency? Do emergency vehicles providers know
to go to the back? Or will they be coming to the front of the building because she is sure there will be
some medical emergencies.
Ms. Skogen
stated while she commends what it is, she thinks 15 rooms is a lot. Why can't it be a little
smaller? Maybe 8 rooms opposed to 15. That might help alleviate some of the parking issues that are
going to occur.
Ms. Skogen
stated she has been over to her mother's several times and Bona Brothers has their employees
parking on the street. When she goes over to visit her mother, she cannot always park in front of her
house. She has to park down the street. That is why parking can really become an issue. That is her
mother's biggest fear. She is 81 years old. She has a hard time getting in and out.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked Ms. Skogen if one of her issues here her concern about additional
professionals coming over there over and above the six?
Ms. Skogen
replied, yes.
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Pat Breitkreutz,
5315 4 Street. Bona Brothers probably has six vehicles along their side of the street or
at the vacant lot most of the time. They were told that Bona Brothers do not want the extra cars in their
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own parking lot and is why they are parking them on 4 Street. As to the eight parking spots but with the
two that are inside the building itself, will there be receiving doors? The rubbish and equipment would be
kept inside?
Mr. Breitkreutz
stated his wife is a transplant receiver. When she was in the pre-transplant and the post-
transplant phase, they had a stream of people coming and going from their house. Two-three people a
day for rehab, people to help clean the house, etc. The plan the petitioner is proposing is not what they’ve
experienced. There is going to be a steady stream of people coming to that place.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated the main thing for Mr. Breitkreutz is accessibility. There is not enough
parking with the spaces available?
Mr. Breitkreutz
replied, absolutely.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated not only because of this facility but because of other businesses around the
area, Bona's for example.
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Mr. Breitkreutz
stated he does not know if Bona Bros. would continue to park on the street because right
now they park in front of the open lot and they walk through the lot.
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Pam Donley
, 5305 4 Street NE, stated her concern also is the parking. If it comes to the point the
parking is not working, then what? They are worried with the facility having so many units right off the
bat that there won’t be enough parking. Her father was at a rehab place, it was at a regular nursing home
with rehab attached. There was plenty of parking. They visited every single day. She finds it hard to
believe there will not be visitors. It probably will not be during the day when people go to visit these
people, it will be in the evening when the rest of the neighbors are home and need a place to park on their
own street. She hopes this is something the City looks into real seriously because there are a lot of
visitors. They may not have family who can take care of them at their own homes, and that is the reason
they are going to these places. Her concern is the parking and also single-family homes are disappearing
in their neighborhood.
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, as to what license, he is not sure if it's Class A or B. It is telemedicine, tele-ICU. It
is going to have the TV's and connected he believed to Fairview and some others. Snow removal is a
great point. They probably would want to adjust some of the shrub plantings. They should be able to
keep the snow on-site that they are pushing from the parking. These will be patients who are referred
from Allina and Fairview-University of Minnesota. There will be no signage. Typically for emergency
vehicles, working with other cities, the emergency people do have where to approach buildings and how
to get in, whether it be fire or emergency. He would imagine they do the same thing here where they
were to go to that particular entrance but, again, it is a good question that needs to be addressed.
Mr. Ofsthun
stated as to why not make it smaller, the value of what is being put into this project, the
landscape, the building itself, elevator, sprinkler systems, two stairwells, everything that is going into this
building by making it smaller, it is less likely it will work and the less likely they will be interested in
doing it. They want to make it worthwhile to do the project. He can see they need to do something about
getting another parking spot or two. They will have to look into it and see if there is a way. The garage
itself is 2 1/2 stalls so there will be space off to the side for garbage, etc.
Mr. Ofsthun
stated as to the visitors, he is kind of going what the operators of the facility have seen in
other home health care buildings, and kind of their expertise on what to expect for that. That is what it is
based on. He does not have a real clear answer unfortunately.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked, with the possibility of 15 patients there. It is likely that some of these
people are going to have visitors. There is no place to put the cars except on the street. Any other
possible solutions to a possible parking problem or is there not going to be a parking problem, as far as
Mr. Ofsthun is concerned?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, again he has to base it on conversations with those who will be operating and
managing the building. They do not seem to see an issue with that.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked about all the services they are providing and whether they will have
professionals coming into the facility to provide some of these services?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, his understanding is the two staff members per floor will be providing all the
services.
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Commissioner Sielaff
asked whether they would provide all the services that were listed off?
Mr. Ofsthun
replied, he believe so and they are going to be there 24 hours a day.
Chairperson Oquist
stated it does not seem to him that two people can provide all the services Mrs.
Skogen listed off her document. They are going to have to have certain people coming in to provide
some of those services. He has a serious problem with parking. There is no visitor parking at all. The
other thing is, there are six parking stalls but what about shift changes. Where are people going to park
while the other ones leave?
Commissioner Sielaff
stated the other concern is what happens if this is already built and then the
parking problem comes up. What do they do? He is not clear on what the remedies are.
Ms. Stromberg
replied, obviously based on the site plan that is in front of them there is very limited
space for additional parking. Today she had a conversation with Scott Hickok, Community Development
Director, about that and obviously the request would have to go back to Council; and they would have to
require them to shut bedroom doors. They could only occupy 7 or 10 of the 15 rooms. Staff would have
to monitor that by having access to the inside of the facility to make sure there were not more beds being
occupied.
Chairperson Oquist
stated he is not so sure even restricting the number of rooms is going to solve the
parking issue. You still have the issue of additional people coming. This project has to be re-thought
about what they are going to do about parking.
Ms. Jones
stated regarding the Bona Brothers parking, that actually is a code enforcement case of hers
that she has been dealing with for a long time; and she can tell them that Brian Bona just earlier this week
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promised that the employees would no longer be parking on 4 Street. If he does not abide by that, his
special use permit will be back for review before the City Council.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to close the public hearing. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED AT 8:07
P.M.
Commissioner Oquist
stated the project has to go back to the drawing board. It is not ready. There are
way too many issues on this one. You cannot just plop something like this on a lot like this and have six
stalls. The parking is a big issue.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated he tends to agree with him.
Commissioner Saba
stated he has dealt a lot with transplant patients, and they do get a lot of visitors.
Commissioner Oquist
stated Ms. Skogen had a lot of concerns. She brought up a lot of points that need
to be addressed for a facility like this. Maybe that also needs to be addressed along with the parking
issues.
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MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff Denying Resolution for a Special Use Permit, SP #14-07, by TCO
Design, to allow a comprehensive home health care use in an R-3, Multi-Family zoning district, generally
located at 5310 4th Street NE. Seconded by Councilmember Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. Receive the Minutes of the August 4, 2014, Parks & Recreation Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6. Receive the Minutes of the August 7, 2014, Housing & Redevelopment Authority
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
7. Receive the Minutes of the September 4, 2014, Housing & Redevelopment Authority
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
8. Receive the Minutes of the October 2, 2014, Housing & Redevelopment Authority
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
9. Receive the Minutes of the July 2, 2014, Appeals Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
10. Receive the Minutes of the August 6, 2014, Appeals Commission Meeting.
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MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
11. Receive the Minutes of the September 3, 2014, Appeals Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
12. Receive the Minutes of the October 1, 2014, Appeals Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
13. Receive the Minutes of the July 8, 2014, Environmental Quality & Energy Commission
Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Solberg to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Saba.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
14. Receive the Minutes of the September 9, 2014, Environmental Quality & Energy
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
OTHER BUSINESS:
15. Approve 2015 Planning Commission meeting dates.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba approving the 2015 Planning Commission meeting dates. Seconded
by Commissioner Solberg.
UPON A VOICE VOTE ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
16. TOD Update.
Ms. Jones
stated the City is at the stage now of the final stretch of this master plan project for the City's
transit-oriented development district. The City has to finish this project by the end of the year so what
staff is looking for this evening is for the Commission's review of this draft final plan and any feedback
they have on it is important because this is kind of their last chance to give it to staff before they send it
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onto City Council and the HRA.
Ms. Jones
stated the area they are talking about is the TOD area which includes the Stevenson
Elementary School and goes on over to the new construction area on University Avenue on down to the
freeway. The area this plan is about is the City's future yet to be designated transit tax increment
financing district.
Ms. Jones
stated the purpose of this plan is to provide guidance for that future tax increment financing
district. Staff wants to put a full plan in place as they expect it not to redevelop all at once but redevelop
piece by piece so they do not end up with an area that does not work together. They need to have a plan
in place as to how they want all the connections made to transit from the very beginning.
Ms. Jones
stated they are also hoping this plan entices private development. This is not a plan where the
City is planning to come in and build these things but hoping private development will occur on its own.
It is to provide the City a future guide for those developers so that in the TOD area, as they will recall,
they have to come in with a master plan and developers are often spending hundreds of thousands of
dollars to get to that point where they come in and submit that plan. Therefore, the City wants to give
them a basic preliminary approval that they are okay with this particular use and particular property
before they make that investment.
Ms. Jones
stated as they will recall it has been some time back now but referencing the preliminary plan
at the very beginning of this project to plan changes to Islands of Peace Park. They find that park to be
the critical piece to this plan and making this a very attractive place to live next to the river and close to
the transit opportunities in this area so staff started with that first and have based the rest of the plan
around that.
Ms. Jones
stated staff also did a traffic study because there are multiple scenarios about different ways
the City could redevelop some of these areas and would it be multi-family housing, industrial,
commercial, etc. In looking at those different options, staff did a traffic study and had a subcontractor
and engineering firm working on this to look at the impacts of those added housing units or the impacts of
that added industrial property.
Ms. Jones
stated in reviewing these traffic conditions, they looked at the intersection capacities, the
cueing at those intersections, and they evaluated the possible impact of those different development
scenarios. They particularly looked at the possible extension of 57th Avenue from Main Street onto East
River Road and what sort of impacts those would have at that intersection that is there in front of
Georgetown Apartments.
Ms. Jones
stated they then looked at projections not just for the next few years to 2020 but also looked at
projections out to 2030 and then made recommendations based on that study. The findings were that they
felt that new intersections, should that 57th Avenue connection come through, would result in this
development at an unacceptable level of service, a Level E, just during the afternoon p.m. peak. That was
the only problem they really saw with this scenario. As a result of that they made some recommendations
and also felt there could be some significant side street delays in cueing on Charles Street and Island Park
Drive during that afternoon peak as well. They really did not find any significant difference.
Ms. Jones
stated they had some debate throughout the project of right now Charles Street coming out on
East River Road coming out as a full intersection where you can make a left or right hand turn out on East
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River Road. Island Park Drive is only a right-in, right-out. They had some debate about switching that
because in the East River Road corridor plan it calls for Island Park Drive to become the full intersection
and Charles Street to be limited to only right-in/right-out. In the end through this traffic study they
concluded in a meeting with the County Highway Department as well that Island Park Drive probably
would be the best option because it was mid-distance between the stoplight at 61st Way and the stoplight
at what is about 58th now at the Georgetown Apartment area.
Ms. Jones
stated as far as the recommendations, they did recommend there be a dual westbound left-turn
lane at 57th coming out of that new development to the Industrial Equities Properties when that occurs
which they had anticipated when they were looking at that master plan for that project. Also, they
recommended doing a split phasing traffic signal at that same intersection to make it safer for left hand
turns both directions. All along staff has recommended that the traffic signals really from Mississippi
south to the freeway be timed. Right now some of them are under control of the County and some of
them under control of MnDOT and they do not work together.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked if she was going to talk about the possible bridge going from University at
57th all the way over the railroad tracks?
Ms. Jones
replied, yes.
Ms. Jones
stated as a result of this they actually looked at reducing the housing density from some of the
earlier projections they had because when it got to a certain level it was going to warrant East River Road
from just that section between 61st and the freeway having to be six lanes wide. If they will recall from
the East River Road corridor study, no one wanted to see that; and they wanted to maintain that roadway
the way it is, and the width that it is. They have kind of reduced some of the plans there and kept some of
the industrial land still being industrial.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked wasn't that an objection that mostly concerned citizens from 61st north?
Ms. Jones
replied, again, afternoon peak.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked, as residents along the south of there, was it an issue for people at
Georgetown Apartments? Widening it to six lanes for example?
Ms. Jones
replied, no, because they have a traffic signal.
Ms. Jones
stated in the master plan there is that proposed roadway Chairperson Kondrick was referring
to, the 57th Avenue extension. They have heard the troubling news that came out of this whole project
that a bridge over or under the tracks is appearing unlikely. They kept it in the plan because as they had
the public meetings on this, the public was still voicing a strong desire to have that connection. They will
see in one of the future drawings they have had some scenarios done for at minimum to have a bike/ped
bridge over the railroad tracks there and have a couple of designs proposed for that. However, they are
preserving it here because things may change in the future that will allow that to be possible; and they still
feel it is important to the area so they are keeping it in the plan.
Ms. Jones
stated as far as the redevelopment potential for this area, they looked at a couple of different
proposals on the housing and stuck with the numbers they see here. Under one scenario without the
redevelopment of the entire Georgetown complex, as much as another 800 housing units in the area.
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With the full area of Georgetown it could be as many as 1,150 added housing units. They are talking
about a very high-density residential area particularly since they are expanding the acreage of the park
and creating a lot of new trails in this area. It is building this area up rather than out is basically what are
the plans they are seeing in some of the pictures here.
Ms. Jones
stated and then of course they have projected square footage for office and residential retail
here that is mostly tied to the Industrial Equities master plan that is already approved.
Ms. Jones
stated they also have as part of the plan a bike/pedestrian network. They realized that they
neglected to put the bus stops on this drawing. That is going to be added before it goes to City Council
because that is a key thing they were looking at as they looked at these proposed trails and sidewalks is
that they want to make sure they have very safe connections to the transit in the area and they are really
creating some good, usable bike and walking loops both for recreation and for people to get to work and
shopping. In the inset they will see the two options for the bike/pedestrian bridge over the railroad tracks.
Ms. Jones
stated this is going to involve the MRT (Mississippi River Trail) national bike trail back to the
river where they originally wanted it when they put that through Fridley. They had some additional
connections. She actually just talked to someone from MnDOT about that this afternoon at a meeting
over at the National Park Service so they are kind of making connections with the County and MnDOT
and Metro Transit, too, on moving those things.
Ms. Jones
stated there seems to be a lot of excitement about that, particularly about creating the parkway
on Island Park Drive. Therefore, in this plan they really have two main parkways leading to an expanded
Islands of Peace Park. The thought being that likely the Island Park Drive one will happen first as this
area redevelops and that later on, hopefully, with a full 57th Avenue extension they will see the other
parkway
Chairperson Kondrick
asked, has there been any talk about a high rise apartment or condo building in
that area?
Ms. Jones
replied, yes, they do not show that in the pictures but there certainly is a possibility of that.
They focused more on the number of units because of that having the traffic impacts and looking at the
feasibility to park enough units for that. They are going to be somewhat limited in height in this area
though because this is also in the MNREA area and are still waiting for all the final rules on that.
However, what they are seeing so far is going to allow them to build to the 65-foot height that the R-3
zoning allows in this area now. It looks like the City will probably have to do some stepped development
which she is a little concerned about because then the higher building will have to actually be further
away from the river which she thinks typically is what you see are the higher buildings closer to the river
to get those views. They will have to see how that all plays out, but for now they are looking at a 3-4
story high building.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked how is that enormous in diameter sewer line going from roughly the Girl
Scout camp on the south going to affect future development?
Ms. Jones
stated it should not be a problem. Where it is a problem is that idea they had of tunneling
under the railroad tracks with the 57th Avenue connection. That is where it becomes a very extensive
problem to move it. It is possible to move that line for a price.
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Ms. Jones
stated they are focusing a connecting to the on-street bike lane and sidewalks on Main Street
by the east train station but keep in mind, too, that they have the additional trail connections happening
here as soon as next year with the pedestrian bridge at the freeway on Main Street. That is allowing
people south of the freeway to access this area, too. That is also part of the area is to have that bike/ped
connection at 57th over the railroad tracks so they can give people access to Islands of Peace Park and
Riverfront Park on the other side of the freeway, too.
Commissioner Solberg
stated there were not a lot of people at the meetings but some folks provided
positive feedback. He asked Ms. Jones to share what people are excited about?
Ms. Jones
stated they were really surprised because you are apprehensive when you do a project like this
about what people are going to think about more apartments in the area. They tend to not want to see
more multi-family housing. Actually most of the people who came to the two public meetings were
living in the neighborhood north of Stevenson Elementary, and they did not have one negative comment
about more multi-family housing.
Ms. Jones
stated they were just excited the City was making plans to redevelop that housing. They were
excited to see the drawings of what was being proposed – there was a lot of excitement, too, to see the
proposed connections from that neighborhood to that park.
Ms. Jones
stated the City owns the land between Stevenson Elementary and the river and make a
connection through that area so that people can recreate more up closer to the river in a direct route.
There was a lot of interest and excitement about that. There were some concerns about whether there was
going to be a market for that much housing. They are still close to the train tracks, there is still noise
from the train even though they have quiet zones. There are vibrations, etc. from the trains. That was one
of the negatives she recalled that was a concern. Overall, a really positive reaction from the public.
Commissioner Solberg
asked, what is the timeframe in terms of development?
Ms. Jones
replied, they do not know. It is definitely a long-range plan. The City nor the HRA has any
plans to immediately come in and purchase land here and do any redevelopment. They are hoping that it
is going to happen privately. Particularly because that private development is going to be the seed money
for these new trails and these new parking buildings, etc. they are looking at having in the future at that
park. It is definitely a long-range plan that will happen piece by piece.
Ms. Jones
stated she commends their consultant, Hoisington Koegler Group Inc, because they really
came up with a plan that allows it to happen piece by piece and allows them to put in that new
infrastructure section by section because they are proposing a whole new parkway on the south end of
Stevenson Elementary, kind of going through parts of where Georgetown Apartments are now. That is
kind of a key connection for the school, too, because it only has one access in and out which is not good
for a school. They really like to have two access points in case there is an emergency. They really like
this concept of being able to redo their bus routing so they would come down that new parkway and come
out at the stoplight at 57th or at Island Park Drive if there is one there in the future.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked if this goes to the Metro Council?
Ms. Jones
replied, yes, when they are done with this the City will have to do a Comprehensive Plan
amendment. They are getting close though to starting the next Comprehensive Plan update.
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Chairperson Kondrick
asked what kind of approval authority does the Metropolitan Council have?
Ms. Jones
replied, fortunately, Metropolitan Council has already approved the park plan as part of Anoka
County's master plan and that is a big part of this. Staff has been working with them along the way and
also with the folks from Metro Transit. Metro Council now has a new transit-oriented development
division, and they have had a meeting with that staff as well. They have really been keeping them
involved in this since they have gone through; therefore, she does not anticipate any problems.
Commissioner Oquist
asked whether there have been any developers inquiring or showing any kind of
interest into this at all
Ms. Jones
replied, probably not because of this plan but they did have one developer come in and look at
the east train station site.
Ms. Jones
showed drawings of things they’ve already seen. The Main Street design is already built. The
East River Road drawings are from the East River Road corridor plans so they are not proposing to
change anything there. They were just showing this is kind of a basis for the streetscape they have looked
at for what they have labeled the Gateway Parkway. That is the entrance of that 57th Avenue connection
which is now the entrance into Georgetown Apartments. That design incorporates a very wide center
median which serves as a stormwater treatment area, and incorporating limited on-street parking, on-
street parking and then sidewalks on both sides of the roadway.
Ms. Jones
showed a picture of what the proposed view of the new streetscape will be of the area of the
Georgetown Apartments. With a possibility of main floor commercial and residential up above. She
showed a rendering of the view of Island Park Drive and how that would look if you are standing on East
River Road looking towards Islands of Peace Park. Also, she showed a rendering of if you were standing
on 61st Avenue looking towards the east Park and Ride lot with the train station in the background.
Bringing the buildings very close up to the street as the TOD district requires with parking underground.
Some surface parking behind and moving in this case, the stormwater pond to the back of the site.
Incorporating some of those streetscape features that they spent a lot of time going over at the public
meetings, looking at what sort of furnishings and after much debate with the HRA, the City Council came
up with features that kind of all blended together and kind of fit the look they wanted in this area close to
the river. Looking at flowers and street lighting and finding fixtures that would provide LED, the more
modern type lighting which would still be downcast and shielded.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated lighting is very important and it is very dark down there.
Ms. Jones
stated in the TOD zoning district the City dictates what these features are in private
developments so they needed to spec out what bike rack would be used, what type of light would need to
be used, etc. They are going to have to select these specific models or something similar that the City
approves.
Ms. Jones
stated they looked at fencing and there seemed to be a desire for this kind of rock type fencing
and it is tying in again with some of the stormwater scenes. Because you are bringing in buildings close
to the street and you may not have room to meet the landscaping requirements of the Code, there is an
allowance in the TOD language that you can pay into a fund $500 per tree, for every tree you cannot meet
in your landscape requirements. That fund is used then for public space. Perhaps it is used to finance a
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clock tower in a public plaza somewhere else in the district.
Ms. Jones
stated the next steps for the plan now as it is finalized, is for it to be reviewed by the HRA on
December 4. They are bringing it to the City Council on December 8 which will give them an extra
meeting if they want to change some things before they have to wrap up the project by December 31.
Then as part of that also the consultant is going to make recommendations on possible text amendments
to the TOD overlay zoning district. They will be a text amendment coming forward to the Planning
Commission on those proposed changes. She does not foresee anything real significant there, but there
may be a few things they want to tweak in the design criteria in that area. Then completing the
Comprehensive Plan amendment down the road.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated it has been a lot of work. A lot of things have had to come to fruition
before staff could make things happen. He likes the plan. It makes sense. It is going to work and the
possibilities here are many.
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba to pass this item onto the City Council with approval from the
Planning Commission. Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ADJOURN:
MOTION
by Commissioner Saba, seconded by Commissioner Oquist, to adjourn.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK DECLARED THE
MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:48 P.M.
Respectfully submitted by,
Denise M. Johnson
Recording Secretary