VAR 11.77OFFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
APPEALS COMMISSION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that the Appeals Commission of the City of
Fridley will meet in the Council Chamber of the City Hall at 6431
University Avenue Northeast at 7:30 P.M. on Tuesday, November 29, 1977
to consider the following matter:
A request for a variance of the Fridley City Code,
Section 205.053, 4B, to reduce the side yard
adjoining living area from the required 10
feet to approximately 6 feet, to allow a
family room, destroydd**by fire,,to be rebuilt
on the same Tocation, on Lot 27, Block 3,
Melody Manor, the same being 7421 Lyric Lane
N.E., Fridley, Minnesota. (Request by Arthur
Dondlinger, 7421 Lyric Lane N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota 55432).
Anyone who desires to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at this meeting.
VIRGINIA SCHNABEL
CHAIRWOMAN
APPEALS COMMISSION
Note: The Appeals Commission will have the final action on this request,
unless there are objections from the surrounding neighbors, the City
Staff, or the petitioner does not agree with the Commission's decision.
If any of these events occur, the request will continue to the City
Council through the Planning Commission.
OFFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE .
APPEALS COMMISSION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that the Appeals Commission of the City of
Fridley will meet in the Council Chamber of the City Hali at 6431
University Avenue Northeast at 7:30 P.M. on Tuesday, November 29, 1977
to consider the following matter:
A request for a variance of the Fridley City Code,
Section 205.053, 4B, to reduce the side yard
adjoining living area from the required 10
feet to approximately 6 feet, to allow a
family room, destroydd'by fire,:to be rebuilt
on the same Tocation, on Lot 27, Block 3,
Melody Manor, the same being 7421 Lyric Lane
N.E., Fridley, Minnesota. (Request by Arthur
Dondlinger, 7421 Lyric Lane N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota 55432).
Anyone who desires to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be.heard at this meeting.
VIRGINIA SCHNABEL
CHAIRWOMAN
APPEALS COMMISSION
Note: The Appeals Commission will have the final action on this request,
unless there are objections from the surrounding neighbors, the City
Staff, or the petitioner does not agree with the Commission's decision.
If any of these events occur, the request will continue to the City
Council through the Planning Commission.
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Mr. & Mrs. Arno Rosein-7400 Lyric Lane N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Parlour -7381 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Dale Messerli-7410 TempoTerrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Orville Sturm -7400 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Ms. Donna McBrian-7398 Tempo Terrace NE..
John P. Glic'k"7390 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Jack Weems -7391 Lyric Ldffi N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Ronald Randall -7399 Lyric Lane N.E. '
Ms. Audrey Wallis -7401 Lyric Lane N.E.
. Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Gronlund-7411 Lyric Lane N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Arthur Dondlinger-7421 Lyric Lane N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Albert Roberge -7431 Lyric Lane N.E.
Ms Donna Mercucci- 7441 Lyric Lane N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. John Legut- 7391 Tempo Terrace N.E.
' Mr. & Mrs. Carrol Rahn -7399 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Tickey-7401 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Max Evertz-7411 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Bertram Smith -7450 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Vnuk-7440 Tempo Terrace N.E.
Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Johnson -7430 Tempo Terrace NE
Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Schonebaum-7420 Tempo Terrace N.E.
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OFFICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEARING
BEFORE THE
APPEALS COM14ISSION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that the Appeals Commission of the City of
Fridley will meet in the Council Chamber of the City Hall at 6431
University Avenue Northeast at 7:30 P.M. on Tuesday, November 29, 1977
to consider the following matter:
A request for a variance of the Fridley City Code,
Section 205.053, 4B, to reduce the side yard
adjoining living area from the required 10
feet to approximately 6 feet, to allow a
family room, destroydd-by fire,,to be rebuilt
on the same Tocation, on Lot 27, Block 3,
Melody Manor, the same bein7421 Lyric Lane
N.E., Fridley, Minnesota. ?(Request by Arthur
Dondlinger, 7421 Lyric Lane N.E., Fridley,
Minnesota 55432).
Anyone who desires to be heard with reference to the above matter
will be heard at this meeting.
VIRGINIA SCHNABEL
CHAIRWOMAN
APPEALS COMMISSION
Note: The Appeals Commission will have the final action on this request,
unless there are objections from the surrounding neighbors, the City
Staff, or the petitioner does not agree with the Commission's decision.
If any of these events occur, the request will continue to the City
Council through the Planning Commission.
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Item #2 11-29-77
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
7421 Lyric Lane N.E.
A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIRMENT:
Section 205.053, 4, B,1, requiring a 10 foot side yard setback
for living areas in an R-1 zone.
Public purpose served by this section of the code is to maintain
a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures
and 15 feet betwen garage and living areas in adjacent structures
to reduce exposure to conflagration of fire. Also to allow for
aesthetically pleasing open areas around residential structures.
B. STATED HARDSHIP:
When we purched the house, one of the best features was a family
room on the first floor, right off the kitchen. We would like
to rebuild the family room that was destroyed by fire on November
13, 1977.
C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT:
Field measurements show that there will be 16 feet between the
family room and neighboring attached garage at the closest point.
The patio in the rear of the garage was converted into living area
without a proper permit. We have no record of when the patio
conversion took place.
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
7421 Lyric Lane N.E.
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A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIRMENT:
Item #2 '11-2'9-77
Section 205.053, 4, B,1, requiring a 10 foot side yard setback
for living areas in an R-1 zone.
Public purpose served by this section of the code is to maintain
a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures
and 15 feet betwen garage and living areas in adjacent structures
to reduce exposure to conflagratian of fire. Also to allow for
aesthetically pleasing open areas around residential structures.
B,- STATED HARDSHIP:
When we purched the house, one of the best features was a family
room on the first floor, right off the kitchen. We would like,.,
to rebuild the family room that was destroyed by fire on November
13, 1977.
C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT:
Field measurements show that there will be 15 feet between the
family room and neighboring attached garage at the closest point.
The patio in the rear of the garage was converted into living area
without a proper permit. We have no record of when the patio
conversion took place.
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 292 1977 Page 4
Ms. Gabel agreed with Mr. Kemper's comments. She said
that the situation should not have happened. She indicated
that since it was already done, and there was,enough open
space between the structures to keep within the intent of
the code, it would have to be "lived" with.
Mr. Barna supported the comments by Mr. Xemper, . He
said that it should not have happened, but it did happen, and
the house was already constructed and he said it would be
after -the -fact to deny the variance. He said that the expense
of moving the structure would go onto the City Council and he
doubted that they would tell them to move the structure.
Chairperson Schnabel didn't feel that moving the house
would be the alternative. She said that a motion could be
made to have the petitioner purchase some additional land
from the adjacent property owner.
Mr. Barna said that any alternative would most likely
be very expensive. He didn't feel it was the Appeals Commission's
position to "punish' somebody for having made an.obvious error,.'
He did point out that this was a very "obvious error" that should
not have happened.
MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Ms, Gabel, that the
Appeals Commission approve the request for variance of the
Fridley City Code, Section -205.053,4:B, to reduce the side yard
adjoining living area from the required 10 feet to 8,8 feet,
to accomodate an error in placement of the house on the lot,
located on Lot 20, Block 19 Innsbruch North Second Addition,
the same being 1406 hest Danube Road N.E., Fridley, Minnesota.
Mr. Barna made the comment that this was an avoidable
error and he hoped that it did not happen again.
Ms. Gabel said that she would be willing to vote against
the variance if she thought it would do any good.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye,.the motion carried
unanimously.
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MOTION by Mr. Kemper, seconded by Mr. Plemel, to Open the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened
at 8:01 P.M.
APPEALS COMMISSION MFI,TING - NOV ., BFR 29, 1977 Page 3
Mr. Kemper indicated that when sitings were difficult and
that close of tolerence existed between the lot lines, he felt
that -all that much more care should have been taken. He said
that it was all the more difficult to approve a variance after
the entire structure was complete.
Chairperson Schnabel indicated that the only alternative
the Appeals Commission had was to recommend that some additional
land be purchased from the adjacent property owners; or else
they would have to grant the variance.
Mr. Kemper said that the Engineering Department and Staff
should have really checked much more carefully.
Chairperson Schnabel pointed out that when the petitioner
went in to City Hall with his proposed site location, evidently
it had showed a house that fit properly on the lot 'hna required
no variances. She said that most likely when the footings had
been dug, that the house had been shifted.
Chairperson Schnabel read.a comment that had been made an
the Commission Application Reviews "It is after the fact,"but
why did property owner indicate a 12 ft. side yard setback with
a smaller front yard setback initially. If accurate information
had been submitted initially, a house revision could have been
made and no variance required."
Mr. Kemper said that j by the scale of that drawing,
a person could see that it ;could not have worked.
Chairperson Schnabel indicated that the adjacent house
was 34.2 feet from the common property line, so that there
was adequate space between the structures.
Mr. Kemper said that he didn't feel that the public purpose
was being violated. He said that his concern was with the way
the entire thing had been handled. He said that it was obvious
to untrained eye that the scale of the drawing was wrong. He
said that the construction of the house should not have been
allowed with the poor quality of drawing that had been presented.
He said that the Engineering Department should be cautioned
to do a better job to see to it that the drawings submitted at
the time that building permits are issued are scaled correctly.
He again said that he had no problem with the public purpose
he only had a problem with the way it was done.
MOTION.by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, to close the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 7:56 P.M.
APPEALS COMMISSION MrETING - NOV{� BER �9, 1977 Page 5
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
1421 Lyric Lane N.E.
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A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIRMENT:
Section 205.053, 4, B,1, requiring a 10 foot side yard setback
for living areas in an R-1 zone.
Public purpose served by this section of the code is to maintain
a minimum of 20 feet between living areas in adjacent structures
and 15 feet betwen garage and living areas in adjacent structures
to reduce exposure to conflagration of fire. Also to allow for
aesthetically pleasing open areas around residential structures.
B.• STATED HARDSHIP:
lihen we purched the house, one of the best features was a family
room on the first floor, right off the kitchen. We would like.,
to rebuild the family room that was destroyed by fire on November
13, 1977.
C. ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT:
Field measurements show that there will be 16 feet between the
family room and neighboring attached garage at the closest point.
The patio in the rear of the garage was converted into living area
without a proper permit. We have no record of when the patio
conversion took place.
Mr. & Mrs. Dondlinger were present at the meeting.
Ms. Gabel asked when Mr. Dondlinger had converted the
patio into living area.
Mr. Dondlinger said that it was that way when he purchased
the house two months ago.
Mr. Kemper asked if he planned to rebuild the family room
in the exact location and with.the same dimensions as before.
Mr. Dondlinger said that it would be built in the same
place but that he planned to go back into -the rear yard a few
additional feet, He said that he wouldn't be going any further
into the side yard.
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING`- NOVEMBER 29, 1977 Page 6
Mr. Dondlinger indicated on the survey the exact locations'
of the house, garages and family room.
Mr. Kemper asked if the family room.previously had been
the patio.
Mr. Dondlinger said that the original patio was converted
into a family room previous to when he purchased the house.
Chairperson Schnabel read a statement from the Building
Permit that had been issued 11/07/619 "Patio on back of garage
cannot be enclosed, must remain patio or porch". She said that
when the family room was added, the people adding the family
room did so without a building permit.
Mr. Kemper asked how the fire started.
Mr. Dondlinger said that it was caused by a Ben Franklin
stove that didn't have an insulated chimney.
Mr. Dondlinger said that he was planning to extend the
entire house back five feet into the rear yard.
Mr. Dondlinger reinforced Chairperson Schnabel's statement
that the neighbors' garage did get blistered by the fire in his
family room.
Ms. Gabel asked if the Fire Department had been able to
go between the two houses.
Mr. Dondlinger said that they had been able to get between
the two structures.
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the
Appeals Commission receive a letter dated November 150 19779
from Mrs. Thomas Gronlund.
Chairperson Schnabel read the letter into the minutes of
the meeting. "To: Mr. Clark: We have no objections to the
enclosure of the family room at ?421 Lyric Lane N.E."
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The letter was received at 8:09 P.M.
Ms. Gabel asked if Mr. Dondlinger planned to have windows
on the South Wall.
Mr. Dondlinger said that there previously had been windows
but that he didn't plan to have any.
Mr. Kemper asked if he would be doing the work himself.
Mr. Dondlinger said that he planned to do some of the
work himself.
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 29, 1977 Page 7
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Chairperson Schnabel pointed out that in the early
1970's the request to enclose patios and porches was. going
before the Appeals Commission very often.
Ms. Gabel said that since the statement had been issued
on a Building Permit in 19611 that the Appeals Commission had
to keep in mind that styles'of living has changed. She felt
that family rooms had become a very big part of the lives of:
a lot of people. She said that Mr. Dondlinger had bought the
house with the intent that he would have a family room. She
said that he had nothing to do with the fact that the family
room had been built without a building permit.
Mr. Plemel said that he realized that to deny the request
would be penalizing Mr. Dondlinger, but he said to approve it
would seem that the Appeals Commission was undermining the
Staff's objective of making the statement.
Chairperson Schnabel said that the other side of the
issue was that had the fire not occurred, Mr. Dondlinger would
be utilizing his family room that he had purchased with the
house. She indicated that another point to consider was that
in the course of the fire, the adjacent garage only blistered
rather than actually catching fire. She felt that that could
be a strong case for allowing the construction of the family
room in the same location. She said that with no openings in
that adjacent wall would reduce the chances even more of
conflagration of fire.
Mr. Barna indicated that Mr. Dondlinger would be required
to have a fire wall between the living area and the garage.
Mr. Dondlinger said that there would also be a fire wall
along the lot -line side of the family room.
Mr. P1emel felt that the Appeals Commission would be
condoning un -authorized construction if they start routinely
approving these types of requests.
Mr. Barna said that the Appeals Commission could.look_at
the idea that there was not a family room presently there and
that his kitchen had been destroyed and that he wanted to add
a family room in the area behind the garage. He said that he
would have no objections with that request at all.
Mr. Kemper said that if a person buys a house with a
family room and the family room was destroyed by fire, that
person should be able to rebuild it if he so desires.
APPEALS COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 29, 1977 Page 8
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MOTION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Ms Gabel, to close
the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.- The Public Hearing was closed
at 8:20 P.M.
MOTION by Ms. Gabel, seconded by Mr. Kemper, that the
Appeals Commission approve the request for variance of the
Fridley City Code, Section 205.053,4,B, to reduce the side yard
adjoining living areas from the required 10 feet, to approximately
6 feet, to allow a family room destroyed by fire, be rebuilt
on the same location on Lot 27, Block 39 Melody Manor, the same
being 7421 Lyric Lane N,E., Fridley, Minnesota, with the stipulation
that the adjacent wall of the family room be a fire wall with
no openings.
Chairperson Schnabel pointed out that the statement that
had been made on the 1961 Building Permit had been keeping with
the Zoning Ordinance. However, she said that if the person
chose to enclose the patio/porch, they would have had a right
to appeal.
Mr. P1emel didn't feel there was a hardship for
Mr. Dondlinger in terms of space for his family.
Ms. Gabel said that Mr. Dondlinger had bought a house
with a family -room. She didn't think that the Appeals
Commission was justified to devalue the price he paid for the
house and penalizing him for something that happened prior
to his o1mership. She said that the true hardship was that
it would be taking something away from him that he had bought
and paid for.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
3. RECEIVE MEMO FROM•, JERROLD L;� B_0_
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Chairperson Schnabel said that the purpose of the memo was to
give the Planning Commission an idea of what work that had
to be done through the remainder of 1977 and through 1978.
Chairperson Schnabel explained that the reason the memo
was going to the sub -commissions was to let them decide
if there were some specific items that commission would like
to review before the Planning Commission reviewed it so that
their inputs would be considered by the Planning Commission.