HRAM 10/06/2016
CITY OF FRIDLEY
HOUSING AND REDEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY MEETING
OCTOBER 6, 2016
Chairperson Commers
called the Housing and Redevelopment Authority meeting to order at
7:01 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
Larry Commers
William Holm
Pat Gabel
Stephen Eggert
Gordon Backlund
OTHERS PRESENT:
Paul Bolin, HRA Assistant Executive Director
Wally Wysopal, City Manager
Jim Casserly, Development Consultant
Paul Hyde, Hyde Development
ACTION ITEMS:
1. Approval of Expenditure.
MOTION
by Commissioner Holm to approve the expenditures as presented. Seconded by
Commission Eggert.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. Approval of September 1, 2016 Meeting Minutes.
Commissioner Gabel
asked for the following changes to be made:
(1) Page 6, third paragraph, second sentence, "To avoid that really what staff" she
believed it should read "To avoid that what staff. . . ."
(2) Page 6, fourth paragraph, should be corrected to read, "Mr. Bolin referred to
Request for Proposals (RFP) in the memorandum. Attorney Casserly and he have
had some discussions, and it may end up being referred to a Request for
Qualifications. . . ."
(3) Page 6, fifth paragraph, second sentence, eliminate the second sentence and then
complete the paragraph stating, "Staff has a lot of soil reports and different
environmental reports done. They can get out into the market place and share that
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information along with the other site constraints with the development
community."
(4) Page 7, fifth sentence, should read, "Then ideally, staff. . .maybe recommend a
couple of developers the HRA. . . ."
(5) Page 9, second paragraph, last sentence, should read "He encourages staff to
consider taking a look at that."
(6) Page 9, fifth paragraph, should read, "because one of the concerns at those
meetings was if the parking garages would be difficult to put in there."
Commissioner Backlund
said page 2, paragraph 5, should read, "He is curious of what the
process is as one goes into the seven-county pool and the rest of the money comes back here for
fiscal disparities."
Commissioner Eggert
referred to page 2, paragraph 3. He asked if the dollar amount should be
$408,000.
Paul Bolin, HRA Assistant Executive Director,
repliedthe amount should be $408,000 and not
$480,000.
Chairperson Commers
asked the minutes be approved subject to corrections at their next
meeting.
3. Approval of Administrative Contract - Home & Garden Show.
Paul Bolin
, Assistant Executive HRA Director, said for the last 19 years, the HRA has been the
fiscal agent on behalf of the cities of Blaine, Mounds View, and Columbia Heights for the Home
& Garden Show. The revenues from the booth rentals cover the expenses for the show. Since
2005, they have worked with Castle Visions to perform the administrative tasks. The Home &
Garden Show members would like to work with Castle Visions for the 2017 Home & Garden
Show which is going to be held on Saturday, February 4, at the National Sports Expo Center.
Staff recommends approval of the contract authorizing the HRA to work with Castle Visions.
MOTION
by Commissioner Holm to approve the Administrative Contract - Home & Garden
Show. Seconded by Commissioner Gabel.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. Approval of Resolution Supporting Grant Application - DEED Redevelopment
Paul Bolin,
Assistant Executive HRA Director, stated Hyde Development is getting ready to do
the clean-up needed to build Phase 4, the final phase of the Northern Stacks project. Mr. Hyde
has identified the need for approximately $3 million in grants to complete this work. These
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grants would come from Met Council and from the State's Department of Employment and
Economic Development. The grants require that the funds go through the HRA, which happened
with the previous three phases of this project.
Mr. Bolin
stated the first grant program is DEED's Contamination Cleanup Program. This
provides money for investigating and developing a Response Action Plan and then doing
contamination clean-up that would go along with that plan. Mr. Hyde is seeking about
$2 million from DEED for this particular program.
Mr. Bolin
stated the other program is the Met Council's Tax Base Revitalization Account
(TBRA) Program. This is additional money for investigation and cleanup of contamination on
the site. They are looking at approximately $950,000 from this program.
Mr. Bolin
stated the HRA has helped Mr. Hyde with these applications during the previous three
phases and they have obtained nearly $6 million. This is Phase 4.
Mr. Bolin
stated staff recommends the HRA adopt two resolutions, one resolution for DEED's
Contamination Cleanup Grant, and the other resolution under a separate motion approving the
application to Met Council's TBRA Program.
Paul Hyde,
Hyde Development, stated they have started and now completed two buildings in
Phase I which are on the south side of the park. The second building which is a 135,000 square
foot office warehouse building was just completed last week. It is 100 percent occupied. In fact,
they leased the building right as they were starting it. That is how much demand they are
seeing. They did not have enough clean-up work done to be able to start another building any
sooner than what they are doing now. They are starting their fourth building, in the Phase 3 site,
which is what they call Northern Stacks 3. That started construction last week.
Mr. Hyde
stated hey have completed three buildings. All are 100 percent occupied. They are
starting their fourth building which is the Northern Stacks 3 building. They will finish the clean-
up of the Phase 3 site this fall. They have another few weeks to wrap that up. Now they are
focusing on getting the clean-up grant applications in on November 1 for the Phase 4 portion of
the site.
Mr. Hyde
stated in terms of their environmental clean-up, they have had Certificates of
Completion issued for the Northern Stacks 1 building which was the first project. They have a
request for the Certificate of Completion for the BAE Building and expect it by the end of the
year. Shortly, they will submit their request for the third Certificate for the Stacks 2 building
with Trio and MV2. They expect that Certificate to be issued in the first quarter of next year.
Mr. Hyde
stated so far everything is moving along, probably faster than what they told the HRA
it would when they first started. It all seems to be going well. They are seeing really good
activity from the leasing market. It may have started a little slower than what they hoped with
the first building. That is typical of it being the first project on a much larger park. The old BAE
building was still out there. It did not look great. They were talking about a vision that was
harder for people to see--especially tenants. Once they got the BAE project done, people really
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could see what it would look like. They started Stacks 2 and filled that up immediately. They
have not had another site ready to offer another building until the Stacks 3 project.
Mr. Hyde
stated they continue to do work marketing the boiler room for tap rooms. He thanked
the HRA for their legislation as it helps out a great deal. That is the first thing any potential
tenant asks when they walk in. They think the space is amazing and ask if the City has passed
the ordinance. Now they are now able to reply, yes. People are interested in the very tall
ceilings in the boiler room. It is very open and bright with a lot of windows which they are
going to add. It has enormous history, not only with the site but with the stacks. They have had
a showing with a different brewing company every other week. They have a lot of activity, and
he hopes to have somebody in there next summer.
Mr. Hyde
said to wrap up, they have had three buildings built in full and all are open. They are
starting their fourth project which will be ready in the spring of 2017. They will continue
working through Phase 3 this winter and spring, trying to get those buildings filled up. Now
their focus is on cleaning up the Phase 4 site, and that is the reason for their grant application. .
Last summer they did the environmental investigation of the Phase 4 site, and they are preparing
their grant application. They have already submitted their clean-up plan to the Pollution Control
Agency. Staff at the Pollution Control Agency has indicated they will approve it in time for their
November 1 application deadline.
Commissioner Commers
stated to Mr. Hyde he certainly deserves a lot of credit for developing
this project. It is a little bit surprising, as it has come faster than they originally thought. There
must be a great demand out there.
Mr. Hyde
replied it is really interesting. Their primary competition is in Rogers and Otsego.
There has been an enormous amount of new product put up out there. He thinks it is a result of a
lot of Wall Street capital that is interested in making some development returns and not just
mortgage returns. Here they have won for people who want to be close to downtown, close to
the employment base, close to transit, and close to their customers. If you have two employees
and want the cheapest place to store boxes, this is not their project. If you want to have an in-
field site location, they are the only game in town. They have been fortunate enough to launch
their project with a good economic cycle. That along with getting the BAE project underway,
has shown some momentum, and people who are tenants now see other people who are there.
They have buildings to show them. They can see what it will look like.
Commissioner Commers
stated they look forward to them being able to get it finished. He
asked if that would be next year.
Mr. Hyde
replied, depending on the economy, he thought it would be two to three years unless
something happened and they slow down. They are really in good shape and they would not
have been able to do any of this without the HRA getting that first development agreement put
together which launched this whole project.
Commissioner Gabel
asked how it went when they got into the plating shop.
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Mr. Hyde
replied two different things happened on Phase 3. There really have been almost four
completely different sites environmentally which has been interesting. Phase 3 had two areas
that had been historic concerns. One was called the paint shop which was just south of the boiler
room and something BAE was focused on cleaning up. The other was the plating shop which
was the Navy's issue. Neither party had ever had a chance to do anything about it because the
building covered it. Once the building came up, they warned people they were going to have a
summer to go in and solve the problem or else they were going to cover it with something else,
BAE and the Navy spent their own money and addressed the paint shop and the plating shop.
They excavated the soils and they met the cleanup standards. The cleanups are done, and the
project is underway.
Mr. Hyde
said they have cleaned it up and treated it to the standards required by the agencies.
Now they are looking to de-list another portion of that site. They have de-listed the soils. They
have not de-listed the middle part. They are looking at working on that now that those two areas
have been cleaned up. That may take a year, but now that the cleanup work has been done, that
is a possibility.
Commissioner Gabel
asked if they have moved any of the soil.
Mr. Hyde
replied, absolutely. He cannot tell her the volumes but both in the paint shop and the
plating shop, somewhere between 10,000 yards or so was excavated and treated. Some was
taken off-site. Some treated soil met industrial standards, and he believed they used it under
their parking lots.
Commissioner Backlund
asked if that would relieve any contingent liability that may exist after
the project is completed.
Mr. Hyde
replied he cannot speak for those companies or those parties. The motivation was to
spend some dollars to cut off future liability. He thought the motivation was that this was the
only time in the next 50 years when there was going to be a hole in the ground.
Commissioner Backlund
stated he would assume the Navy would be anxious to do that to limit
their liability.
Mr. Hyde
replied, again, he cannot speak for the Navy. His suspicion is they saw an
opportunity to address the plating shop soils.
Commissioner Gabel
stated according to the MPCA they still have liability even if they have
agreed to some extensive liability of the soil under one of those rooms. She forgot which one it
was. That has been their baby for a long time.
Commissioner Backlund
stated that would be a risk assessment that they would be assuming,
and they probably decided it was the least risky.
Chairperson Commers
stated he would think so and it is clean.
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Commissioner Backlund
stated it is a great idea.
Commissioner Gabel
stated it is a very good deal for this community to have that cleaned up.
MOTION
by Commissioner Holm to approve the Resolution Supporting Grant Application -
DEED Redevelopment. Seconded by Commissioner Gabel.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, COMMISSIONER COMMERS
DELCARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
5. Approval of Resolution Supporting Grant Application - Met Council TBRA
MOTION
by Commissioner Holm to approve the Resolution Supporting Grant Application –
Met Council TBRA. Seconded by Commissioner Gabel.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, COMMISSIONER COMMERS
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Informational Items
1. CEE Housing Programs Update.
Paul Bolin,
Assistant Executive HRA Director, stated the numbers for loan programs and the
Remodeling Advisor were much better than they have been for the past few years. They would
like to see that continue. They are already at 16 loans for the year to date. Last year they only
had 11. Remodeling Advisors had 5 last year, and they are already at 11 this year. They are
starting to see positive impacts from those few changes they made last year to the loan program.
The Home Energy Squad visits continue to be popular. They did 20 of those in September, and
those numbers will go up over the next couple of months as well. They continue to get good
feedback from the residents about the program.
Chairperson Commers
asked if there is still a $50 charge for the Home Energy Squad.
Mr. Bolin
replied the program is the same as it has been for the past few years.
2. Locke Park Pointe RFQ.
Paul Bolin,
Assistant Executive HRA Director,the Request for Qualifications was made
available on September 16. They had 17 different development groups ask for copies. They had
a mandatory pre-submittal meeting yesterday, and there were 8 developers represented at that
meeting. They had local developers but also had a development group from Indianapolis, one
from New York, and one from Kansas City.
Mr. Bolin
stated out of those 8 developers, there was a real nice mix of specialties. They all
seemed to have done some different mixed use developments, but they did have one group that
specialized in senior buildings. There were some that have been doing condos in the north loop
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and are now looking at this area. They had other groups there that had done office projects,
residential projects, and retail projects. They were not sure how this would be received in the
marketplace, but there are some people who are pretty excited about it.
Mr. Bolin
stated the real test will be at 12:00 p.m. on October 19 to see how many of these 8
have responded to the questions the City has asked. At yesterday's meeting, the developers had
an opportunity to ask questions of the City's environmental consultant and soils person they have
been working with. The developers have had a lot of access to all the different studies the City
has done on this site over the past 1 ½ years. They have made everything available to the
developers, and they are available for questions from them through next Wednesday.
Chairperson Commers
stated he noticed in the minutes Commissioner Backlund had raised the
issue of every unit being the same and asking for some diversity. Was there any discussion or
did he get any sense from the developers what they are talking about? Is it going to be a uniform
type of patio home all the way through?
Mr. Bolin
said they did not get any of that feedback from those groups yesterday. He did not
think anybody wanted to share their vision. When they refer to patio homes, they are really
talking about the single-level homes such as what those in Blaine. These are nice owner-
occupied homes where you have everything you need on one level. One of the groups they were
talking to stated their homes start at $310,000. They are very nice homes, and they would be a
buffer between the denser development to the north and the single-family neighborhood to the
south.
Chairperson Commers
stated there are a bunch of patio homes on County Road I and I-35,
right off the freeway in Shoreview.
Mr. Bolin
stated Fridley has some across the street in the Christenson Crossing neighborhood.
Most of the homes there are two stories, but within the two stories, you have everything you
need to live on the main floor. Patio homes are not a new product. They are just smaller single-
family homes on smaller lots. Since staff does not know the market. They are looking to find
the right development partner or partners and work with them to come up with a project that
works for everybody.
Mr. Bolin
stated after they get the proposals back on October 19, staff will go through and see if
there are one, two or three of them that seem to be better than the others. Then they would like
those groups to have an opportunity to meet with the HRA Commission in November. Staff
would ask the HRA to make a decision at their December meeting.
3. Existing City Hall Update
Mr. Bolin
stated there was a memo regarding the current City Hall and some ownership maps in
the packet. The purpose was to let the HRA know of some of the challenges they will have in
disposing of this site. If a new City Hall is constructed on another site, it will likely not be until
late 2018 or some time in 2019 before City staff would be moved out of the current building.
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Mr. Bolin
stated it is important they start working on this now. The City proper owns the
building and the plaza in front, but the HRA owns the rest of the land around City Hall. The
HRA owns land around the building immediately south of City Hall. They also own almost half
of Fairview's parking lot on the other side of Fourmies Avenue. There are agreements with these
different bodies on all those parcels. Jim Casserly and Vicki Loher-Johnson's office is working
on this so when the time is right, they can dispose of the property either to their neighbors or to
some other interested party.
Mr. Bolin
stated the next step is going to be having appraisals done for the parcels. They will do
an appraisal of the City Hall property, the Fire Department parking lot, and the City's parking
deck. They will look separately at the parking lot that surrounds the building just to the south
and the parking lot on the other side of Fourmies Avenue. Once they have those values, they can
sit down with the City Manager and discuss how to dispose of this between the City and HRA.
Attorney Casserly pointed out it would take a lot of fill to get this site back up to grade with the
neighboring properties. There are a lot of things they need to figure out over the next several
months; however, they are months away from making any sort of recommendation to the HRA.
Chairperson Commers
asked if the City had any title insurance on this property.
Mr. Bolin
replied they just had a lot of work done.
Chairperson Commers
stated it would go way back to when it was initially acquired or built.
Jim Casserly,
Development Consultant, said at one time he was on a school board, and they had
an issue with the county and city as to who owned what. It took many years of effort to readjust
all the property values. It is not a foregone conclusion that is going to happen quickly.
Chairperson Commers
stated the agreements they have entered into may or may not cause
some kind of permanent disability to being able to sell free and clear. He would think there
would have been along with the initial title opinions, some kind of protection.
Attorney Casserly
replied he does not know if there is title insurance. There may have been,
but the issues that have been raised are really not title insurance problems. These are all
encumbrances and leases they have entered into as an Authority and have encumbered property
that it owns.
Chairperson Commers
asked if there were boundary issues or other issues.
Attorney Casserly
replied, there is one little one and has to do with the property that is to the
north. It is a question of ownership of the retaining wall and subterranean rights. It is all in
agreements. A number of these things are where the adjacent property has the right to exercise
the option to purchase. It may be prudent for the HRA at some point to talk to them about
exercising their option. They have rights for the next 50-60 years. There are all kinds of
obligations the HRA has to clean up the parking area and there are a number of things they are
supposed to do for some years. They may want to see if there is some way they can try and
resolve those issues.
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Attorney Casserly
stated most of the issues that have arisen are ones they have entered into to
facilitate either the developers to the north and south of them to provide adequate parking that
they do not have exclusive rights to. If the HRA is going to sell its property, the appraiser has to
know how much property is available to park and how much or what kind of other encumbrances
there are on some of this ownership. With respect to the survey now, there was a fourth
supplemental opinion which was just a little touch up on one of the issues. The survey is now in
excellent shape.
Attorney Casserly
stated with the current survey and with the title opinion commitment that
exists now, the appraiser will have all the information they need. He referenced a notebook he
had which contained all the documents impacting the property the City and HRA owns. It is
about 500 pages. They just have to sort these out.
Chairperson Commers
replied they have talked about some of these issues before. For
example, the office building next door, the maintenance of that parking lot, the plowing of that
parking lot has come up many times as has the strip of land by the clinic. That would be the
most recent agreement. There should be records related to each one of these events and how
they got resolved at the time.
Attorney Casserly
replied they have all of the documents. They certainly have the time to sort
these out. They had recommended having an appraisal done. They really do not know what kind
of values they are talking about in today's market.
Chairperson Commers
stated he also noticed that on the First American Title insurance
Company commitment, they do talk about the issuance of an ALTA Owner's Policy. As they say
a lot of these issues are not covered by the policy. That should be analyzed completely because
now that he looks at it closer, it looks like there was a policy issued.
Attorney Casserly
said this appears to be a commitment to issue a policy.
Chairperson Commers
stated this would be the first upfront document. The policy would then
follow, along with the commitment itself which is continued with schedules.
Attorney Casserly
stated they spent a lot of time with the surveyor when they knew this needed
to be addressed. Paul Bolin and the City Manager strongly suggested they start identifying these
issues and start addressing this so that when the appropriate time comes, and that may be a year
from now, they will be in a position to do something.
Commissioner Backlund
asked Attorney Casserly, if the 500 pages of document are akin to an
abstract.
Attorney Casserly
replied, not exactly. These are leases, development agreements, cross
easements; all of which the HRA or the City have entered into as it impacts all the different
parcels.
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Commissioner Backlund
asked Attorney Casserly if there has ever been an abstract for this
property.
Attorney Casserly
said he is sure there has been.
Commissioner Commers
replied, Anoka County usually keeps the abstracts. If there is one, it
might be in the County's office.
Commissioner Backlund
stated at least they could tie it back to some fixed point in time.
Attorney Casserly
stated any time you have redevelopment, you are going to have all these
kinds of issues. There are access roads in here. At some point you are going to have to either
dedicate those or make sure the access works for whoever purchases it as well as for the adjacent
properties.
Commissioner Backlund
stated it seems as though at some point in time some of the County
revenue was somewhat loose in the way they issued some of these properties.
Attorney Casserly
replied with the development that occurred just to the south of City Hall,
there was a real emphasis to try and get that developed, and that led to working out all kinds of
parking issues.
Adjournment:
MOTION
by Commissioner Eckert to adjourn the meeting. Seconded by Commissioner
Backlund.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON COMMERS DECLARED
THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED
AT 7:56 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Denise M. Johnson
Recording Secretary