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SP79-06� `� CITY OF FRIDLEY MINNCS�TA ' 26 �� a�LAN G AND ZONING FORM NUMBER TYPE OF REQUEST APPLICANT'S SIGNATURE - . Rezoning Address �-�-r/ Le/ l �/ �� t/ Special Use Permit _'-----..�_ /1`elephone Number Approval of Premin- �-`..-.,..•-w-�--�w�� inary �, Fina1 P1at PROPERTY OWNER'S SIGNATURE ��j/..yy�-�-� Streets o� Alley ' Vacations Address Other Telephone Number • ,�. Fee �� Receipt No, g'73,�_ Street Location of Property _ . .� /� Legal Description of Property .� � �� :�. � ��; � Present Zoning Classification �— � Existing Use of Property /��2�-�-�`y ' ! ! Acreage of Property Descxibe briefly the proposed zoning classification � � � or type of use and improvement proposed � � G;(��-<-•�2--� � . ,� ; ��'� X y v � ,� �'--r.� �,�s��-.� .�ti-c.� ' � ��d=� �C,r� i ' �z� A � Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plati, obtain a lot split or = variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes�no. � What was requested and when? � . a The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all r.esidents and owners of property � within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to t}iis application. ; (b) 1fi is application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibil;ty for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and r property owners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. � � A sketch of proposed property and structure must be drawn and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet) . The undersigned hereby declares that all t facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. � DATE SIGNATURE � .� .� (AP CANT) ; E Date Filed �i/�'' �J' Date of Hear ng �' � �: Planning Commission Approved City Council Approved ' (dates) Denied (dates) Denied R _ ._ _ ___, __ ,. _ . , , SP #79-06 . :- ------.---- � ��p � ��yy�� GO:-!9tNING 7M�. RECC:� . FiP.FtVEiY .4. CART'WR��;HT ��I ft i � F. HILL. Civi� E, I.NUn.. CUI:NTY SURVEYS �� ElTAslISMED fe9�. H=NhEF':ticouN;rs-��=_,s I.:� :YU SL�Rc�EYORS G. F. SiaNDHOFF��".e�- . . .•ir��:s.aro�is su�+�t�s � CIVti. ENGINEER 9yiq :iN:�GY C.�.K I.ANE `�.E• ktGi5TERED UNDER LAW9 Of STpf6 OF M17�NNE30TA � � . 6Sr,�YL1Se�ED �9oe� � .�J�st.�r fy-pO:y L�LENSED BY ORDINA�NCE OF CITY OF MINNEAPOLt$ � � � or,tiEw JAMES NEtSON 3a5 PLYMOUTH BUILDING LlncO�ro 872f SURVEYOR �.-'� . . EST�9tI3HED tY22 � . . ''. ?. . . . . . . . . � . �_:�:X �'`D'u'STR�AI - JUDICIAI. � � . �: BltS�NcSS - TOPOGRAPF�lG4L METROPOLITAN LAND . �NT�CVOC'S �rrtiftcate SURVEYORS. Esusus��0 �vtt � _�.TY LCiTS – PLATTING , �� . ` 3ob :�u:-nes � f � iij�'� Invoics 14709 � _ �'' � � �1 G� � . .. . . . .. . .. . . .. ' . . .. 5 . ir. 'x..,.,,- .1' �... a r . � � 1 f� . . � -.. SQ.� , g� _ , . � - � j .. , � �.� .-. , . �' . . � � .. . .., . . - . �. .. K: .,_` . . . . - . . . . . . . . ..::� ,� -,F � . �. � . . . � • I I F .. � .. .. k A �.. I �. � . . . '.' . � . . � .. ' . , . 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SIGNED ��Y Y_ . --_ �_`„_.� - GO,RTWft1GHT nrvo 'OLSON <r��—� , . _..- ; o . _ _ r _ PUBLIC HEARING � BEFORE THE PLANNING COh1MISSION Notice is hereby given that there will be a �ublic Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, June 6, 1979, in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M, for the purpose of: Consideration of a request for a Special Use Permit, SP #79-06, by Robert J. Carlson, per Section 205.051 , 2, A, of the Fridley City Code to allow the construction of a second accessory building, a 16 ft. by 22 ft. detached garage on , Lot 4, Block 2, Juli-Ann Addition, the same being 151 - 62nd Way N.E. Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be given an opportunity at the above stated time and place. RICHARD H, HARRIS , CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION Publish: May 23, 1979 May 30, 1979 J Planning Commission 5/22/79 City Council 27 MAILING LIST SP#79-06, Robert Carlson 2nd Accessory building 151 62nd Way N.E. � �.�;; , Mr. & Mrs. Anver Larson Mr. & Mrs. Robert Carlson 6241 Alden Way N.E. 151 62nd Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Bruce Johnson Mr. & Mrs. George Arnold 6245 Alden Way N.E. 620� Riverview Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Parsons Mr. & Mrs. Theodore Burandt 6261 Riverview Terrace N.E. 6211 Riverview Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John Pedersen Mr. Harold Harris 6220 Alden Way N.E. 6210 Riverview Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Gerald A. Greig & Mr. & Mrs. Samuel Aiello Cheryl A Low 180 62nd Way N.E. 6240 Alden Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley,Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Byron Davis Mr. & Mrs. Donald Odland 170 62nd Way N.E. 6274 Alden Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Stan Jakus Mr. & Mrs. Glenn Engstrom 160 62nd Way N.E. 6260 Alden Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Bernard Becker Mr. & Mrs. Austin Peterson 150 62nd Way N.E. 6230 Riverview Terrace N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Thomas Marchiafava Mr. & Mrs. Hilbert Voigt 130 62nd Way N.E. 5210 Alden Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. �ichard Steele Mr. & Mrs. Wallace Sele 140 62nd Way N.E. 131 62nd Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Daniel Vietzke 141 62nd Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 I . � � L,��Y� y � . `` t7 . ^ `t � v�y �@ � " .� , �.. i1 I f,�J �� ; � , r '�,�+,,.,) � �Y �� ,t.. li J '� �,,� . � r� � ', �' �'�� _ �r'"j�x�'/' �' , 'd'`��6��`� :��1, `" 4a�';`� t�. a�'j�.s� � , ,,, > `,.,.� .. _ . ,� � Y � � ,�� ,.... . � • i.� SP �79 06 �'� �� 9� '�, '�, 1-, �� x � y ��. , . 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Carl son � � F 151 - 62nd Way �'� � � / , �i` ,Y � � ` \� � � ��f , � � ? �� , � _� �� C.CC'yi`,zAz��U' \ � ._-. ��I1117i,r,1�n111'Iir-i �---�^ � � . i � �n—:€ }�l�i tl�it1�_� �._.r.. ��_�� (�I� ;�i� �.i . __L � . ��.;,� I� // �-=#..�6.�4�4�I.i�..,e�.f� \.�� ,.. - --.—1� _'_'_ _`___' ' '_"'._ —_'._� � ��.........;��.....�...�.� . � _' —_—^� ��7 � _j ��1-- � � 000 0 ' � . � . 1'1_�� > �ti__ ___ ___ �. .,T � __------ -- , -- . �� r , � 'i.�1 - .. ' � : . ` f ' I a , L�(YCl q.'� ,._- � �_ r '' - ____ 1;� _- , �_._____..__ ____ _.._.. ___----__ _....__. _ _ .__ _. _. _ _ . _ ___ _.._ _..__ _ ., __...._ __._._ 1 � � �.r -r '_�. ��;1C� I � � ' �- ctTY o� FRIL]L.GY� SUBJ�.CT M11'VMk��OTla ��Clf"IE�9�H��E�E'�1 t�,Fa��..��'m�]6'�I ' i��'�1��W ucpor�r�N-uyvisi n� - . . . . . , .rm _ . tJumuer �� tiev r�ye Approved by Uato ) �.-7�!1'LC FILG NO/ AOD�iE�S � � FILE E CQMPLETE REVtEV1/ C!-�ECKt..fST - � ��' � � J�. �� 5 ,7`7 C�GTURN TO C-�LAR!!VlNG ' . '�S� G L�"� � � oue TE . _. . .. � .��• �� - � �OMR�iEfV'I'S � � � �tRG ,�y� ��y�-y�._-, � ✓ � � w� � �� A� . ,��` � „�,� Qi�- ,�++�`. /1� � � � � � �.```',,�. . d � � � . �� '� � � . � . ► , i � _ . � i � -� � ,, , � � � � ' .��i � '� CITY OF FRIDLEY . ' • 4- r PLI�NNING COPRd.ISSION MEETING - JUNF: 6, 1979_ _ __� �,. _ CALL TO ORDER: Chairman Harris called the June 6� �979, meeting of the Planning Co�nission to order at 7:3o P.M. ROLL CALL: . Members Yresent: Ms. Hughes� Mr. Oquist� DZr. Harris, Ms. Schnabel� Mr. Treuenfels Members Absent: Mr. Langenfeld (arrived at 7:35 P.M.) � Others Present: Mike Franzen� Pl.anning Staff � � . ( 1. APPROVE PLANNING COP��IISSION MINUI'ES: MAY 23� 197�t � N�0`.1'ION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to approve the NL�y 23� 1979� � . minutes of the P1.anning CouIInission. Ms. Hughes stated that on pa�e 3 of the minutes ��ie had stated thexe were �8 si�natures on the petition. She later discover�d there were a fetir more so that figur� was noi; accurate. Ms. ScYaxiabel si,«�;ed that on page �+ o� the m zutes, the �+th �ara�raph9 2nd s�nter�ce from the end sl�ould be changed to read: "�tte�rxp�L '�.o make a right l��nd tur� off � Higr.:��y 65 to go there. Also, the next t,o th� last para�raph on tha�; page was in errox. Z'he people who wrote the letter��4rere in iavor �f the office rather than the apartment. % Ms. Hughes s�;ated that on page 8 of �he minutes, "eye-beam" should be "I-b�am". UPON A VOICE VOT.�� ALL VOTING AYE� CFIAIRMAN IiARRIS DECLARED THE M�NUrES APPROVED AS CO�RECTED. - - 2. PUBLIC HEARZNG: REQtJEST FOR A SPECIA� USE PFRP�II SP � -06� ROBERT J. CARLSON: Per Section 205. 051� 2� A,�of_ the Frid � � o e� to allow the construction of a second accessory buildin�a��t. by 22 ft. detached garage ,on L�-LBlock 2, Juli-�Ann l�ddit;ion1 the same being 151 - 2nd Way TdE. MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Treuenfels� to open the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE� AI.L VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECLE1FiED THE PLIBLIC HEARING OPEN AT 7:35 P.M. Mr. Franzen stated that the applicant requested a Special Use Permit to construct ' a second accessory buildin�. The first accessory buildin�, is located in the front ' part of the property. One stipulation would be that the second accessory buildir� not be in n utility ease�eut. At the present time� the second accessory bui].ding is not within this easement. The easement is showm on page 29 of the agenda. The � � � PLANNING CONII�IISSION MF�'I'ING JUNE 6 1 7 PAGE 2 �' ' , , _ 99 - � ; • ; � ' I � proposed accessory building would be i6 x 22 which is approximately 352 square feet. The proposed use is stora�e and at this time there are no plans for an • access� however� there is adequate room available for a driveway. Staff would have no ob;jection to this request as long as the building is used for storage � and not a home occupation or living quarters. Mr. Oquist stated that Mr. Franzen had indicated that the second accessory building would not fall within the utility ease�ent but noted that it was close to it. Mr. Franzen gave the Coffinissioners a more detailed plan of the proposed construction. Ms. Hughes asked what the first accessory building was? . Mr. Franzen stated the first accessory building was the existing two-car garage. Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Franzen if the purpose of the second accessory building was for storage only? Mr. Franzen sta�ed that was correct and Staff had no objection as long as it was used for an� use other than a home occupation. Mr. Robert Carlson� 151 62nd Way NE� came forward and sta�ted that it would be a detached �arage. - Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Carlson why he needed a storage building of this size? Mr. Carlson stated that his existing garage is 19 x 22 and he has t�ro cars. It is diff'icu].t to get in and out of the cars because of the bicycles, garden tools� toys� etc. Because of this congestion� he woLil.d like a building for storage. Ms. Schn.abel asked Mr. Carlson if he had ar�y plans, now or in the futureJ to use the proposed building as a garage and convert the, existing garage into living space? Mr. Carlson stated he had no plans to do that and also that he was not planning to put in a drivew�y. Ms. Schnabel asked Mr. Carlson if he would be doin� the construction himself? Mr. Carlson stated he planned to do the cement work and would have a carpenter :to help with the other work. � i Ms. Hughes asked if it would be garage construction with an overhead door? � Mx. Carlson st�zted that he intended to put an overhead door on t�e west side and � i it would be regular garage construction with trusses for the roof. � ; i Mr. Harris asked if he was going to put the overhead door on the west side? � i Mr. Carlson stated that was correct. � � ; . I�. Harris asked if that woulc3n't be tight to get in and out if he decided to use I it as a garage? � Mr. Carlson stated he had no intention to use it as a garage.. I I f I ; , _. ,_,.�. '�' PI�AtdNTNG CONIl`QISSION MINUrESa JUidE 6, 1979 - P�E 3 . _ Mr. Carlson also stated that there is 19 feet there. Mr. Harris. stated they usually figure that it takes about 20 feet for an auto- mobile. . Mr. Carlson reiterated that he did not intend to use it for storing a car. Mr. Harris asked Mr. CarJ.son if he woul.d object movin� it sli�htly to the east and asked how far he would be willing to go? Mr. Carlson stated he could go east another foot. He added that he had decided on the placement of the garage because of the window placement in his house. - Mr. Harris asked how high the structure would be? Mr. Carlson stated there would be regular 16 foot trusses. It would be built on a cement base which would be about 2 inches off ground level. Tkiere will be 8 foot 2x�+s running fro� the cement up� so the building would be about 8 ft. 2 in. from ground level to the eaves. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Carlson if he had talked to any of his neighbors? Mr. Carl.son stated he had talked to all of them and they had .no comment. He stated tha't he had heard that someone had second thoughts but he apparently decided to go along with it. He stated that the proposed building would have the same siding as his house and he wovld construct it in such a way that it wauld �dd t� the looks of the property. Mr. Iiarris stated that he was concerned about moving the gara�e to the east because if it was ever used to store an automobile� it would be much easier to get in and out without encroachin� on his neighbor's property. They figure that a� automobi].e parking place is 10 x 20. . Mr. Carlson stated he would be willing to move it a foot. , Mr. Harris stated that 2 feet would be better. Mrs. Carlson stated that there is a 6 foot hedge along the neighbor's property that would malse it impossible for them to go over on their property. • Mr. Harris stated •that at some point they might want to use the building for a garage and being that close to the hedge would make it difficult to get in and out. N�. Oquist asked if he decided on a 16 x 22 foot building because he planned to use it for a garage in the future? He stated that most storage buildings are 8x8or8x12. Mr. Carlson stated that the people he had. ta].ked to about it suggested he figure , what he needs and then add a little. PLANNSNG COMMSSSION MEETINGy JUi� 6� 1979 � ,,«_ ._. ,� . - _ __ PAGE k .,,� _. ,_._., . . . • , � Mr. Oquist asked how far the proposed building would be from the existing house? .Mr. Carlson stated it would be 25 feet. Mr. Harris stated the plan indicated about 28 feet and noted that it was a �ood eize lot. Mr. Carlson stated that another reason why he placed it where he did was because of existing trees. He did not want to Yiave to remove ar�y trees. He added that � moving it east 2 Peet would not huxt it at all.. Ms. Hughes asked Mr. Harris if he was sure the building should be moved? Mr. Harris stated tha,t because of t;he 6 foot hedge� moving it over 2 feet would �give him more room. � Ms. Hughes asked if that would be a stipulation? Mr. Harris stated it would. Ms. Schnabel stated that the 20 feet was based on an existing ordinance which was , written when the average car was big�er than what they are now. Mr. Iiarris stated it was sti1.]. tight even f:'or a small car. He stated it watit7.d be a one car garage and would be tight. Also, the other house at 6211 Riverview Terrace sits rather close and there wasn't much back yard there. Mr. Langenfeld asked if the northen part of the building woul,d go up to the 1ot ].ine? . Mr.. Harris stated it would not. As indicated on the drawing� it was a good size � 1ot. There were no other comments from the audience. - MOTION by Ms. Schnabelt seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to close the public hearing. UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARRIS DECL�IRED THE PUBLIC HF.ARING CLOSED AT 7:58 �.M. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Treuenfels, to recommend to Council approval of the request for Spe�cial Use Permit� SP �79-06, by Robert J. Carlson: Per Section 205.051� 2, A, of the Fridley City Code� to allow tYie construction of b t det ched ra- e on Lot �+ BJ.ock second accesso buildin a 16 foot 22 foo a a a z'3'' �, Y g � � 2 Juli-Ann Addition the same bei 1 1-62nd Way NE with the following stipulatim s: , , � 5 , 1) in accordance with the survey it be not less than 20 teet rather than 19 feet� 2 it be compatible with the existing nei�hborhood and his home� 3) no home occupation � be allowed. Ms. Hughes noted that the notification that was sent to the neighbors indicated this was to be a detached garage, however the comments in the discussion were in terms of� other things� and if we pass this motion it wi13. be possible for him to use it as a garage in the future. She asked if the notice that this was a detached garage adequate for the neighbors to understand that they coul.d be looking at a detached garnge? � . . PIaANNSNG COMMISSION MEE�ING, JUNE 6, 1979 � � - PAGE 5 Mr. Harris stated that�� what it is and that's what it was called in the noti.ce. .Ms. ��ughes stated that the fact that the neighbors w�re not here indicated to her they. had no problem with it. UT'ON A VOICE VOTE, ALi., VOTING AYE, CIIATRI�1l1N HARRIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANII�40USLY: � Mr. Harris informed the petitioner that this would go to Council on June 18� 1979• Ndr. Harris stated that he understood. he was a second class citizen, but when some- thing comes up within 30U feet of his property� he would like to be notified. Mr. Harris stated that he lives at 6200 Riverview Terrace. His father was notified but he was not. 3. VACATION R��,UEST: SAV � 9-03, :'BY THE CTTY OF k'RIDLEY: Vacate that portion -- — �.�.._._.�..�..__.�.. ...,� _. _.�_� of �the a7_1ey in B1u'"��s. :��., ?3yc{�� Park, not vac�.ted by Ordinance 533�__betwePn Lc�ts _. .._._._.. _.�r.r- - - -- �- --- - - _ 1�d Lots 25-30, and between Lots 1 J l5, lb,�and_ 17. Located between _._ _-.., _..�.�.�...,_.�._ . . __... ___..._.___ �. 59th and. �th l�venues NE and between�S�reet and 3rd Street NL. Mr. Franzen stated they were looking at one of four alternatives as explained in Pdemo �79-2�+, dated June 6, 1979, from Jerrold Boardman �co the Planning Commission. This memo stated the City's policy on vacation requests. They saere looking at trying to turn over the property to ir�dividual own�rship and retainin� the a11ey as a uf,i'lity easement. The Commissioners were �iven a letter dated June 1� 1979, from 4darren R. Johnson of I1SP regarding this easement. Ni0TI0N by P�ir. Lan�enfeld� seconded by Ms. Hughes, to receive the memo� ��79-2�-� from I�;�r. f3oardman to the Planning Commissiont and to receive the letter fxom NSP re�arding the easement. Mr. Harris stated that another al�ernative would be to improve the al.ley and maintain it. Ms. Schnabel noted that the memo indicated there were three options and listed four� so it wouldn�t matter if tl�ey added another option. UPON A VOICE VO`.�E, ALL VOTING AYE� CHAIRMAN HARFtIS DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANTNiOUSLY. Mr. Oquist stated that the map in the agenda indicated that the area that was darkened was to be vacated. He' asked what woul.d happen in between? Mr. Franzen stated that was the property of NSP. He stated there were apartment structures on the north and south ends of the alley and that easement was used for getting into the pr�rking areas, and does not go through the entire block. , -.� � PI.�NNING CONIMISSION MEETING, JUPE 6, 1979 - PAGc; 6� • .Mr. Harris atated that they then d two dead-end alleys in the same block. Mr. Franzen stated that the center',,part of the alley had already been vacated. � Mr. Harris noted that the notification stated it wa�s the lots not vacated by Ordinance ��533• They were talking about Lots 1-6, Lots 25 - 30 and between Lots 1�+� 15, 16 and 17. He asked how t ose peopl.e would get in and out if this was vacated? How would they get to t apartment building parking lots? Mr. Franzen stated that Mr. Board n was looking at turning that portion of the property over to the individual ers and it would be maintained by them. � Mr. Harxis asked how the people i the apartment at 59� 3rd Street would get from 60th Ave. NE into the parking area Mr. Ben,jamin F. Carman, 5955 22 Str et NE, stated �Lhat 5940 was .a private residence. He also stated that there was an ent ance oft' of 3rd Street for the apartment people to use to reach the parking area. Ms. Pat Gabel, 59�+7 22 Street NE, cam for��ard and stated this was not a request by the people that live there to nece sariltiy vaca�e this alley. It is an alter- native the City is using rather than d ing what they should, which is to clean the nrea up. There has been a problem here for two years and the City has not done tr,eir job which is to make them cle n it up. Thexe is garbage there� fences � are Ynocked down� they dwm� oil on �t;he f ces and shxubs� etc. H�r nei�hboxs have had to repair a vexy expensive fence on s veral occasions. In talking to Ed Fitz�atrick9 it t,ras his st��estion that th vacate it and put a barrier 6 feet out from the f�nces in order to keep their roperty in tact. 1�To�ae of thera really war�ted 6 more f'eEt of property to take care f but it is a matter of protec•ting what �they have. Over the years the apartment�e have become run down and the tenants are problem ty�e te�ants. So this is not real�ty their idea but is an alterx�ative. \ P�.s. Schnabel stated that 5g8o was where the apai�,tments are. � . , . 2�Ls. Gab�l. stated there was a driveway between twa1';,of the apartments coming in. Also, if they vacate that 12 feet� the apartments would �ose some parking spaces but they were not supposed �l;o be parking back there ar�yway b�cause it is a public easement. This has not been enforced either. Mr. IIarris stated that 5901 and 5902 we�e apar�tment bui],dings. Ms. Gabel stated that was correct and tha,t was all vacated'<in between so it had no bearing on this request. Mr. Aarris stated it was part of the vacation request. Ms. Gabel stated that they apparent�y weren't concerned about t and was not sure what the City's thinking was there unless they wanted to get t e whol.e thing done � j at one time. ' � ' � -