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PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
December 19, 2018
Chairperson Kondrick
called the Planning Commission Meeting to order at 7:00 p.m.
MEMBERS PRESENT:
David Kondrick, Mark Hansen, Leroy Oquist, Brad Sielaff, and
David Ostwald
MEMBERS ABSENT:
Mike Heintz, and Rachel Schwankl
OTHERS PRESENT:
Stacy Stromberg, Planner
Scott Hickok, Community Development Director
Steve Dunbar, Fridley Investments, LLC
John Shardlow, Stantec Consulting
Approval of Minutes:
October 17, 2018
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to approve the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner
Ostwald.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
PUBLIC HEARING:
1. Consideration of a Plat, PS #18-05, by Fridley Investments, LLC, to replat the
property generally located at 6431 University Avenue to create new lots for the
redevelopments.
MOTION
by Councilmember Oquist to open the public hearing. Seconded by Councilmember
Hansen.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE HEARING WAS
OPENED AT 7:02 P.M.
2. Consideration of a Master Plan, MP #18-01, by Fridley Investments, LLC, for an
S-2 Master Plan Amendment to allow the redevelopment of the existing City Hall
property generally located at 6431 University Avenue. The redevelopment of this
property will allow for the construction of a 135-unit senior living building.
MOTION
by Councilmember Sielaff to open the public hearing. Seconded by Councilmember
Hansen.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE HEARING WAS
OPENED AT 7:03 P.M.
Stacy Stromberg,
Planner, statedthe two land use items will be for the former City Hall
property at 6431 University Avenue. That property is currently zoned S-2, Redevelopment
District. Any substantial change does require that an amendment be done. Therefore, staff has
this request before the Planning Commission tonight.
Ms. Stromberg
stated she is also seeking a plat to create new lots and lot descriptions for each
portion of the new lot development. Along with the plat and master plan the City is initiating a
street vacation, and that will be to vacate a portion of the service drive from Fourmies Avenue
north to Mississippi Street.
Ms. Stromberg
stated there are two little pieces, one of Fifth Street and of Fourmies Avenue,
that will also be vacated. They were just leftover pieces of land from the plat. They may
remember that street and alley and easement vacations do not have to go before the Planning
Commission anymore, they can just go straight to Council for their approval, but she wanted
they to be aware of this as it relates to the project.
Ms. Stromberg
stated over the last year the City’s HRA staff has been working with the
petitioner on a potential redevelopment of this site. The petitioner states in his narrative that
when Fairview, who operates the building adjacent to the City Hall, heard that the City Hall was
relocating, the idea was formed to create a project on the property that included Ebenezer.
Ebenezer is the senior housing division of Fairview Health Services.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner feels this would provide an exciting opportunity and a great
place for seniors to thrive and connect with the neighboring Fairview service buildings.
Ms. Stromberg
stated going over the proposed project, it is for the construction of a 135-unit
senior living community. The building will be four stories tall with a pitched roof and
underground parking garage. There will be a mix of independent, assisted, and memory care
suites, along with a variety of common amenity spaces such as a two-story lobby, a library, a
multi-purpose community room, and a fitness center.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the petitioner has designed the project considering the vacation of the
University Avenue service drive, and that will give the project an additional 38 feet on the west
side of the property. The new development will be accessed from Fourmies Avenue.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the new development will take access to a parking lot and then there will
be a covered canopy for dropping off residents. There will be an underground parking garage
which will be accessed from Fifth Street. Exactly where the underground parking deck is
accessed now. That will not change because they are going to continue to use that access to get
down to the underground parking underneath the proposed building.
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Ms. Stromberg
stated the former City Hall building and the adjacent parking ramp will be
demolished as part of this project. The existing garages and gun range that run along the
northern property line are going to remain because the petitioner feels they can use them for
storage. That area also serves as a retaining wall from the City Hall property to the property to
the north.
Ms. Stromberg
stated along with the new building there will also be storm water and
landscaping features constructed. Where the service drive used to be will become green. That is
overall what will happen with the project.
Ms. Stromberg
stated when a property is zoned M-2, Redevelopment District, it does require
there is a master plan approved for this site. When the site was originally rezoned to S-2,
Redevelopment District, in 1982, a master plan was approved at that time to allow the civic
buildings. Since that use is changing, this master plan is before them tonight. The M-2 zoning
designation does allow flexibility with redevelopment of a project. The intent of this district is to
provide the City with site plan review authority to determine if the project does meet the goals
and objectives laid out in the Comprehensive Plan, and this project does do that. Review and
recommendation is also required by the HRA. They have seen preliminary drawings of the
proposed project, and they are expected to approve it at their January 3 meeting.
Ms. Stromberg
stated of the care units, there will be a mix of studios, one-bedroom, one-
bedroom plus den, and then two-bedroom apartments. The mix of independent and assisted
living units can fluctuate as generally a senior might move into the facility as an independent and
then age into needing more services. Therefore, needing an assisted living suite; but the
petitioner also states there is flexibility. If a person moves into their independent suite, but now
they need services, they do not have to move to another unit. They can stay within their existing
unit. Because of that it kind of creates some confusion with parking. How exactly do they figure
out parking if an independent unit becomes an assisted living unit because the parking ratio is
different. However, they did their best to figure how the units will be laid out and what the
parking ratio should be. Based on that number City Code would require 90 parking stalls for this
use based on the independent, assisted, and memory care units. Of those 90 stalls Code requires
that 29 of them be enclosed. The petitioner is providing 134 stalls. Well more than what Code
requires. Of those 134 stalls, 91 will be in the underground garage and 43 will be surface stalls
in the parking lot that is accessed off of Fourmies Avenue.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the plat analysis is fairly straightforward. In order to allow for
redevelopment of the site, the petitioner would like to create three new lots for each portion of
the development. Lot 1 is the senior housing development and is 2.67 acres in size, Lot 2 is for
potential further redevelopment which is currently where the parking deck is and will be 1.14
acres after it is platted, and then Lot 3 is where the existing parking lot is for the Fairview
building that exists there today. That lot is not part of this replat.
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Ms. Stromberg
stated staff recommends approval of both the master plan and the plat. The
master plan does meet the goals highlighted in the City’s Comprehensive Plan and provides
additional senior housing with services opportunities within the community. Staff recommends
if the master plan is approved the following stipulations be attached:
1. The property shall be developed in accordance with the site plan submitted for
“Fridley Senior Housing”, page C2.0, by CivilSite Group dated 12/7/18.
2. The exterior building elevations shall be developed in accordance with the
architectural exterior elevations sheet submitted by Kaas Wilson Architects, dated
11/16/18.
3. The petitioner shall meet all requirements set forth by:
a. The Building Code
b. Fire Code
c. The City’s Engineering department – related to grading, drainage, storm
pond maintenance agreement, utilities, and utility connection fees
d. The City’s Planning department – related to landscaping, signage, and the
TOD Overlay Zoning District
e. The Mississippi Watershed Management Organization
4. If the square footage of the footprint of the building proposed changes by more
than 10%, an S-2 master plan amendment shall be required.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked whether the easterly portion is going to be on top of the current
garage?
Ms. Stromberg
replied she was saying that is going to be the general location of it, but that will
be demolished as part of this project, the parking garage.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated and the building will be placed on top?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, in the future.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked, so that is not included in this redevelopment project then?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, no.
Commissioner Ostwald
stated they are talking about keeping the gun range. He asked whether
there was any type of remediation required for the lead that is in there? Is the City required to do
anything with that or is that part of the petitioner’s plan?
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Scott Hickok
, Community Development Director, replied, the Police Department has been
careful about analyzing how the City leaves that for the next users and certainly left in a state
that is acceptable to be handed off.
Commissioner Hansen
asked Ms. Stromberg to comment on how the service road is going to be
modified potentially? If that is going to be a separate project or done in a timeframe that is
concurrent with the development?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, all of those parts are still being worked out but, based on discussions
she has had with the HRA, it does seem like it is going to be a City project - taking out the
frontage road from Fourmies to Mississippi Street. There will be no drive access at all. It will
be greenspace and a new sidewalk. People will not be able to use that frontage road at all, but
they do expect it will happen along the same timeline as construction of this development.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked whether the bank and the church have been told about the
unavailability of the access road so their customers will have to find new accesses to their
businesses?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, for sure the bank as the City notifies people within 350 feet of the
property and the bank is within that 350 feet. She is not sure St. Williams is within that 350.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated they should be told.
Ms. Stromberg
stated definitely they can give notice.
Commissioner Hansen
asked whether there were any long-term plans to continue to vacate the
right-of-way for the service road or just to this property?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, there is not. Originally they had discussion about whether they should
vacate Fourmies with this project, how can everybody still retain access, but this seemed like a
good stopping point for now until they see other redevelopment go on.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked whether the City will own the red and the yellow parts?
Ms. Stromberg
asked, on the plat drawing?
Commissioner Sielaff
replied, yes.
Ms. Stromberg
replied, no, the developer will own all of it.
Commissioner Hansen
asked whether parking is allowed on Fourmies currently?
Ms. Stromberg
replied, no, she did not think so. It is a very narrow right-of-way.
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Commissioner Hansen
stated he was curious because in his own personal experience going to
these types of facilities, the lots that are available surfacewise fill out but only on holidays when
you see a lot of overflow on the adjacent side street.
Mr. Hickok
stated that is an excellent point. One of the things that is interesting about this site
and will remain is the fact that he believes there will be a relationship between the neighbors, and
they can speak to that more accurately than he can. However, he expects on those rare instances
such as a holiday, they would not want them to overpark by putting in for that rare instance but
instead seek to have an arrangement so that in those times they could use some of the parking
that is adjacent and already existing.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated the Fairview parking lot, for example.
Mr. Hickok
stated and he does not want to speak for Fairview but are finding, as they get
smarter as planners, that they are trying to, for storm water reasons and all other reasons, trying
to make some of the things happen where neighbors’ adjacencies help one another out for those
rare instances.
Steve Dunbar
, Fridley Investments, LLC, stated they have been working with the City of
Fridley and the HRA for over a year now on trying to bring forth this effort; and the City and
HRA have been wonderful to work with. They are representing the team here tonight to answer
any questions the Commission may have. They have representatives from Kaas Wilson
Architects, CivilSite Group, Ebenezer, and AmCon Construction.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked Mr. Dunbar whether they had any reservations regarding the
stipulations and are in agreement with them or are there any problems?
Mr. Dunbar,
replied, yes, and they have been in communication with Ms. Stromberg regarding
the stipulations and are confident they will be able to abide by those.
Commissioner Oquist
asked when do they start?
Mr. Dunbar
replied, the goal right now in working with City staff and the HRA is to break
ground late spring, early summer, and then bringing it on-line late summer, early fall of 2020.
MOTION
by Councilmember Oquist to close the public hearings. Seconded by Councilmember
Ostwald.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE HEARINGS
WERE CLOSED AT 7:22 P.M.
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Chairperson Kondrick
stated he thinks this is a lovely opportunity for the City’s community
and the people who will be able to utilize it. He has no problem with this at all.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist approving Plat, PS #18-05, by Fridley Investments, LLC, to
replat the property generally located at 6431 University Avenue to create new lots for the
redevelopments. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
MOTION
by Commissioner Ostwald approving a Master Plan, MP #18-01, by Fridley
Investments, LLC, for an S-2 Master Plan Amendment to allow the redevelopment of the
existing City Hall property generally located at 6431 University Avenue. The redevelopment of
this property will allow for the construction of a 135-unit senior living building with the
following stipulations:
1. The property shall be developed in accordance with the site plan submitted for
“Fridley Senior Housing”, page C2.0, by CivilSite Group dated 12/7/18.
2. The exterior building elevations shall be developed in accordance with the
architectural exterior elevations sheet submitted by Kaas Wilson Architects, dated
11/16/18.
3. The petitioner shall meet all requirements set forth by:
a. The Building Code
b. Fire Code
c. The City’s Engineering department – related to grading, drainage, storm
pond maintenance agreement, utilities, and utility connection fees
d. The City’s Planning department – related to landscaping, signage, and the
TOD Overlay Zoning District
e. The Mississippi Watershed Management Organization
4. If the square footage of the footprint of the building proposed changes by more
than 10%, an S-2 master plan amendment shall be required.
Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
RECEIVE MINUTES FROM OTHER COMMISSIONS:
1. Receive the minutes of the October 1, 2018, Parks and Recreation Commission.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner
Hansen.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
2. Receive the minutes of the October 9, 2018, Environmental Quality and Energy
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Hansen to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner
Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
3. Receive the minutes of the September 6, 2018, Housing and Redevelopment
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Sielaff to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Oquist.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
4. Receive the minutes of the November 1, 2018, Housing and Redevelopment
Commission Meeting.
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to receive the minutes. Seconded by Commissioner Sielaff.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
OTHER BUSINESS:
1. John Shardlow, Senior Principal with Stantec Consulting, to present general
information related to the potential development of the Girl Scout Camp property
at 6900 East River Road.
John Shardlow
, Stantec Consulting, stated he is here on behalf of the Metropolitan Council but
his role on this project is to really serve as a liaison between the Metropolitan Council and
Fridley trying to determine the future alternative uses for whatever portion of this property may
be surplus from what the Metropolitan Council needs.
Mr. Shardlow
stated what he would like to do is present due diligence, just some basic
understanding of what the development potential is of the property. He will give them just some
preliminary information about what the Metropolitan Council needs on the property and where
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that process lies and then give them a couple of alternatives which are not by any means a
proposal.
Mr. Shardlow
stated the Girl Scout property there is 22.04 acres. That is a good size in fill
property within the City. His purpose tonight is just to introduce himself to them and to this
process so they can have a common understanding of what the project is and also understand
what its importance is to the region as well as what is important to the community. Talk a little
bit about what the process will be going forward, and the Planning Commission will certainly
have a role in what that process should be in terms of when it should go to the community and
how and what the sequence would be.
Mr. Shardlow
stated they already met with the staff, had a kickoff meeting, and really made a
commitment to have good, clear communication so everybody knows how things are going.
Again, just to share with them some basic land site analysis from a land planner’s perspective,
what are the opportunities and constraints this property presents, and then kind of talk about what
the next steps are.
Mr. Shardlow
stated as to what is important from a regional standpoint, the lift station is part of
a much larger regional drainage system. It represents a major regional investment in the regional
wastewater treatment system. It is going to involve a major river crossing which is always a big
deal environmentally and there are important design considerations, operational and maintenance
issues, safety issues, security, compatibility, and so forth. Whatever happens on the rest of the
land they need to know what the edges are going to be like and how it is going to be secured,
what kind of neighbor it will be, and so forth.
Commissioner Hansen
stated he lives across from the property. It is their understanding the lift
station is going to move from the west side of the river to the east side. He asked Mr. Shardlow
if that is what he is talking about? It will become part of this property?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, yes.
Mr. Shardlow
presented a photo of the drainage area and they can see with the red gravity
sewers it drains a good portion of Coon Rapids, Brooklyn Park, Maple Grove, Anoka, and some
of the developing communities beyond. It is definitely a point of a convergence of a lot of
wastewater in the region.
Mr. Shardlow
presented a photo from one of the preliminary reports that was done about the
development of this site. It is just a very preliminary look. It identified a way of designing the
property and there will be a whole design process going forward. He wanted to show them a
footprint of what that is. Stantec Consulting is under contract to do the design work for this
facility, and they will talk about how that process will kind of dovetail with this process as well.
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Mr. Shardlow
stated about 7 acres of the 22.4 acres from a basic planning perspective from
having a conversation about potential use, that is what they are working with. That is not set in
concrete by any stretch.
Mr. Shardlow
stated as to its significance to Fridley, it is river frontage property. It has very
nice natural amenities within a fully-developed community. Although Fridley is a river city
there is no public access to the river, and the site is adjacent to two established single-family
neighborhoods. He has been doing this for 41 years now, he has been involved in a lot of in-fill
redevelopment sites, and there are adjacent neighbor issues and there are citywide issues. That is
why at the end he says it is a politically-sensitive decision making process because they need to
be looking at this both from the standpoint of what kind of immediate neighbor it will be, but
also how could this property fit into a plan for the future of Fridley that would be positive.
Mr. Shardlow
stated the other thing important to point out is that the fact he is here tonight, the
fact they are having this conversation is really the first time that has happened. The Metropolitan
Council environmental services has not really approached projects like this in the past. In some
ways that is a testimony to the people who are currently on staff there who come from city
perspective, come from a city background. They really wanted to see if there was a way in which
they could work more collaboratively through this process while recognizing that there clearly
are distinct interests on both sides.
Mr. Shardlow
stated Metropolitan Council is responsible for a regional wastewater treatment
system, and they need to do that well and responsibly and make sure they plan and design and
build and operate and maintain a facility that works, but they also want to be a good neighbor.
To the extent there is surplus land here, they want to work with Fridley to decide what is the best
use for that property.
Mr. Shardlow
stated they look at what the existing land use is on the area, and it is shown as an
institutional use. A future land use in the area from the Comprehensive Plan he has read, there
has been again very conceptually showing where there would be the institutional use for the lift
station and then the suggestion there would be some higher density residential and then potential
park. He is going to show them some reasons why that probably will not be what happens, but
that is what it currently shows. With respect to the zoning, that will probably need to change
through this process as well.
Mr. Shardlow
stated there is both a business transaction that will need to take place in the future
if the City has an interest in this property. There will need to be a way in which Metropolitan
Council would arrange for the City to have control of it, and they will probably almost certainly
need to go through a comprehensive plan amendment process and rezoning, both of which are
legislative actions on the part of the City. For anybody listening at home, this is not something
that is going to happen quickly. Not only will there be community meetings and a lot of
discussions, there will be public hearings along the way as well.
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Mr. Shardlow
presented a graphic showing the Mississippi critical area plan boundaries.
Obviously there are considerations with respect to bluffs, bluffs setbacks, density, scenic vistas,
etc. He presented a slide showing a summary of natural constraints. There are the steep slopes
all along the banks of the river, the bluff line, and the 40-foot setback from the bluff. They can
see there is a pretty substantial band of pretty steep slopes that wraps around the eastern edge of
the property as well which would be a pretty significant constraint to try and plow through if one
were to try and put a roadway access through that location. There would be challenges for cars if
there was an access there and so forth.
Mr. Shardlow
stated the other thing right in the middle of the site is a wetland. When they first
looked at this property, they looked at the national wetland inventory and there was a
substantially larger footprint of the wetland. They went out and had it delineated, and the
footprint of the land actually shrunk a bit. However, it is still in the middle of the site with the
steep slope constraints on one side, access limitations on the other, steep slopes on the other, and
then you think about the seven acres that need to be protected at the side. It has relatively limited
development potential if that is what you would call it with some real challenges in terms of
access and circulation, not to mention grading and potential tree clearing. To say it is a
complicated site would be an understatement.
Mr. Shardlow
stated it is also within the shoreland districts of both the Mississippi River and
the lake to the east. Obviously the one that is on the other side of East River Road that is going
to be fairly easy to consider in terms of its relationship to that lake, but it is just another set of
regulations that would need to be taken into account if a development were to move forward on
the property.
Mr. Shardlow
stated if you think again very conceptually, if you were to develop this property
with any sort of residential, they met with City staff, talked about what that might be, and the
suggestion was that there was some patio homes in the community that have been pretty popular,
single-level living housing choice that may be desirable to some folks in the community. They
looked at where that could be.
Mr. Shardlow
stated, again, they recognize and have done so from the very beginning that this
is right up against an existing established neighborhood, right up against the back lots of those
homes. There is only 112 feet of lot depth there to a 50-foot right-of-way roadway. You can
start getting creative and talk about planned unit development and narrower streets, etc. and if
you were to pursue residential there, they would probably want to roll up your sleeves and be as
careful as possible about where the best trees are, how can they minimize grading, and all of that.
However, just at the face of it, a 112-foot depth is not a lot to work with.
Mr. Shardlow
stated the other thing that is important to note is where they are taking the street
in there from the loop road on the north end, that is plowing right through those steep slopes.
Again, they are showing this as a diagram and point of discussion. As a land planner he would
probably rather stand in front of them and make a case for a longer cul de sac with some kind of
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emergency turn around at the end of it as opposed to a roadway system that would plow through
those steep slopes and take those trees.
Mr. Shardlow
stated the other important thing to do is trying to be as judicious as possible, they
are still encroaching on that 7-acre parcel to the south. Just going around the edge of that
wetland results in some encroachment. Again, they are not in a position right now to know how
much land they actually need or whether that design for that facility could be adjusted to take a
little there and give a little somewhere else. That is all stuff that lies ahead of them.
Mr. Shardlow
stated there was some discussion he read in some of the description of this and
the Comprehensive Plan that talked about the idea of having a trail around the wetland. They
have shown some boardwalk and some trail around the perimeter of the wetland. They also
show the idea of locating a small parking lot there. People could come to this area and park and
perhaps take a canoe down to the river or a kayak. That is not going to be without some
complication either. It is a steep ravine and would need to be improved. It probably would not
be handicapped accessible, but even making it safe and walk with canoe would take some doing.
Mr. Shardlow
stated he also knows there has been some discussion in the past about a trail
connection from the neighborhood from the north and the south. As of right now Metropolitan
Council’s concern is they do not want to commit to say they could accommodate a trail through
their facility to the south. If you think about the volume of water that is going to go in, and the
nature of that facility, you can understand where that is coming from. That is not to say when
you get into the design process you could not figure something out. Again, that is just one of
those issues he will put out there that, if there were to be a trail to the south, that is going to be a
significant design issue that needs to be worked out later in the process.
Mr. Shardlow
stated obviously if you are going to make a trail connection to the north, you are
going to have to go either through somebody’s yard or something like that so that will have to be
figured out.
Mr. Shardlow
stated if you were to look at the Pulte housing product that was built in the
community, he showed a slide representing lot sizes that are commensurate with what they did.
He believes they showed something like 10 of those patio lots in this area. From a land planning
perspective you are single-loading a roadway, you are only getting development on one side of
the roadway which is costly, and you are going to have a road that probably will exceed the cul
de sac length so you need to be thinking about emergency turn around.
Mr. Shardlow
stated they did show the idea of a trail corridor around there, showed the option
of a trail corridor going to the north, and finding an easement between those homes and out to
connect the broader neighborhood, and they did show and label a canoe launch in that location.
They are showing a 20-car parking lot which is based only on speculation at this point. They
also identified an area that is one of the high points along that trail which could be improved for
some kind of a lookout. People could walk there and have some nice views of the river. They
also showed some picnic tables where people could go and picnic.
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Mr. Shardlow
stated the other issue is this is a sanitary sewer lift station so odor control is an
issue. Not to mention the fact the shape and size of the parcel south of the wetland is probably
too small to develop efficiently. It would be right up against the edge of that lift station. There
will be odor suppression built into the design and the engineers are much better at that than they
used to be, but it is not perfect. They are pretty confident that by the time you got on the other
side of the wetland, it would not be a nuisance. However, to put something right up against it,
especially when you consider that the prevailing winds in Minnesota come from the south to
west and the north to east, that would be potentially problematic.
Mr. Shardlow
presented a slide as to what if they simply kept it in some kind of a park setting.
It showed a little bit larger parking lot, a trail all the way around it, shows the idea of maybe
some informal trails through the property. This would of course retain the vast majority, if not
all, of the trees on the property.
Mr. Shardlow
presented a slide showing a couple of ideas where somebody might be able to
pull a canoe or kayak down.
Mr. Shardlow
stated if they wanted to there could be some type of picnic shelter there
depending on how the community wanted to program that space.
Mr. Shardlow
stated he would not recommend deciding anything. It is a good thing to take this
in and think about it for a while. Talk to Mr. Hickok and Ms. Stromberg about what other
information the Commission would like to have. This site does have some significant constraints
to it. Even if it were to be developed, it would be so for a small number of units and with a
pretty substantial amount of grading and site manipulation and tree loss. This is one of those
times where we need as many trees as we can get, but he also recognizes there is value to
providing a housing choice in the community that may not be there in the amount they need.
Mr. Shardlow
stated as to the relationship between the lift station and the development,
obviously it needs to be a secure facility. If the community is going to be using it for a park,
living there, or using it for recreational purposes, it has to look good. It cannot just be a chain
link fence with barbed wire on top of it. It will have to be designed with a nice edge. They will
have to be really open and share what they know about odor suppression as well.
Mr. Shardlow
stated this is the first opportunity to really come before the community. City staff
felt coming to the Planning Commission was a good place to start that. The plans for the facility
are going to be designed over the course of the summer. There will probably be an open house
in the fall of 2019 to talk about the design and the state it is at. The detailed engineering and
design will go on between 2021 and 2022, and the construction (depending on the budget) could
be any time between 2022 and 2025.
Mr. Shardlow
stated one of the things Fridley would want to think about is whether it is
something it wants to control and own. Or simply ask the Metropolitan Council as its partner to
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protect it and provide some public access. His job is to help the City of Fridley know what is
possible so the City can make informed decisions as to what its interest is going forward.
Commissioner Hansen
asked Mr. Shardlow to comment about the size or why the part that is
broken off for the lift station? It seems like it is a pretty substantial part of that property. What
is the rationale for that? Is it one building, two buildings, is a parking lot needed for that?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, it was based on a preliminary feasibility study that was done. It was a
function of how big does the tank need to be. How big does the pipe need to be coming into the
tank. How much water does it need to hold. It is really just a function of capacity. Then there is
a need for some building, monitoring equipment, access, roadway, parking, etc. That is all going
to be looked at this summer by the folks who office across the hall from where he works. They
will definitely be engaged with the community throughout that process.
Commissioner Sielaff
stated to Mr. Shardlow he does not know how much structure will be
constructed for this lift station?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, the only thing he knows is the graphic he showed them which was done
by a different engineering firm. Now they will be in the process of taking that very preliminary
design and testing it, seeing if it can be improved, etc. Their engineers were confident saying
that 7-acre site is probably approximately where that line will be. They do not know anything
more in terms of the details of that facility.
Commissioner Sielaff
stated that was a sanitary sewer line they put through how many years
ago? Four or five years ago? There was some construction going on.
Commissioner Hansen
stated they did a new river crossing. That was repairing an existing one.
An emergency repair. However this site is developed, odor control is going to be huge. They
are bringing a lift station there that was not there before and they do smell.
Mr. Shardlow
stated one of the things they committed to doing with the staff was identifying a
handful of other facilities like this around the region, going to them, seeing them, and talking to
the staff to see what the experience is. There are people who specialize in odor suppression, and
they are under contract right now with the City of Minneapolis going through the entire
Minneapolis sanitary sewer system and figuring out ways to deal with odor control. It is a lot
better than it used to be. There are people who live in pretty close proximity to these things and
do not even know it. He has attended something in excess of 6,000 public hearings and has been
to meetings where issues like this come up; and you do not want to rush to the conclusion you
can put houses right up against this and everything is going to be fine. It is definitely an issue
that needs to be fully vetted and understood.
Commissioner Ostwald
asked why this location for the station? Is it because of where it is
physically located at or because there is land available?
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Mr. Shardlow
stated, again, he is not here on behalf of the Metropolitan council’s engineers.
He knows there is a lift station on the other side of the river that had issues and needed to be
erected and he knows they needed to get into the gravity interceptor on this side of the river.
They acquired this property for the purpose of building this facility and is probably as good an
answer he can give.
Commissioner Hansen
asked if there was any discussion about putting a trail connection along
East River Road to connect into whatever might be the developable portion of the property?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, at this point they have not looked at anything other than just the basic
ideas they were throwing out there and is why they wanted to come and talk to the City as well.
That would be a really relatively simple thing to accommodate. Notwithstanding the fact the
edge right along the northeast is very steep so you would probably have to do some retaining
wall to make that happen.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked is Metropolitan Council acquiring all the land then?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, it is his understanding they have.
Commissioner Sielaff
asked, all 22 acres?
Mr. Shardlow
replied, yes. The question is what is surplus and what happens with what is
surplus.
Commissioner Hansen
asked and the decision is for sure the lift station is going to be on this
side of the river.
Mr. Shardlow
replied, yes.
2018 SUMMARY REVIEW
Ms. Stromberg
stated in 2018 they reviewed 1 comprehensive plan amendment, 0 lot splits, 1
S-2 master plan amendment that was before them tonight, 5 plats, 3 rezonings, 3 special use
permits, 2 text amendments, and 1 TOD master plan for a total of 16 items.
Ms. Stromberg
stated as to how that compares to previous years, they are up actually from
where they were in 2016 and 2017.
Ms. Stromberg
stated they had a plat approved to allow the development of the John Allen
property at 5601 East River Road.
Ms. Stromberg
stated Pulte Homes, the patio homes, they had a plat to allow the construction of
26 new homes, 8 of them have sold. They have been issuing lots of building permits over there.
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Ms. Stromberg
stated there is a new electronic billboard at Public Storage.
Ms. Stromberg
stated the second phase of the Watermark assisted living will be happening next
year.
Ms. Stromberg
stated, lastly, they approved a special use permit to allow an increase in lot
coverage at the Ashley Furniture Store. They will see their new canopy condition and new
warehouse addition off of Industrial Boulevard.
Commissioner Oquist
asked how is the occupancy of the property on 694 and East River Road?
Are they filling that up?
Mr. Hickok
replied, the business along 694 and East River Road is fully occupied although you
do not see the cars yet. Taylor Communications has leased that entire building, and they will
have 300 employees there. Their lease officially started on December 1. They are moving from
three different locations in the metro area. The developer tells the staff they have very good
activity on the second building, not the owner of the site. Other developers say that it sounds
like there is enough interest and activity that the building may be filled very quickly. It is a very
attractive site in a very attractive location.
Chairperson Kondrick
asked whether there is any conversation regarding access to those
buildings? The semaphore that is there, the drive lanes, etc. does the City foresee any access,
ingress, egress, anybody have any problems and what is being done about them if there are some.
Mr. Hickok
replied, they will see two new signal lights on East River Road in 2019. There will
be one coming right off 694 and one right at the intersection that enters this development. As
part of this development they wanted them to take a look at not only providing the best
opportunity to enter and exit this site, but also wanted to make sure this site was able to be
accessed from pedestrians, bicyclists, and the existing intersection really probably was not best
designed for that. A new intersection going in this year will have all the modern audible devices,
it is in the TOD district, it will be designed with colored pedestrian crossways so it is very easy
to see as a motorist traveling through that area. They will have a sidewalk that goes from this
site all the way up to the train station site.
Mr. Hickok
stated the fact that this site is developed now, it has already started generating tax
increment financing and an attractive amount of tax increment finance as they know that process
allows the City to basically put money into a fund and allows them to do other things. They will
remember back the Legislature was very kind in allowing them to create a Northstar specific tax
increment district so they can capitalize on that new increment on those new dollars coming in to
put them back into infrastructure. They are very interested in crossing the railroad track and
th
connecting 57 Avenue. Right now it is very disjointed to say the least. When they did the East
River Road corridor study, the County, too, said that would be a priority because it would take
traffic off the leg of Mississippi between University Avenue and East River Road and traffic off
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from Mississippi down to 694. Also the State, the staff believes, though they have not been as
vocal on this, would be very interested in taking off those short trips between University Avenue
and East River Road to get on and off an otherwise very busy part of the highway. They are very
interested in moving into the next phase of design and layout for that crossing and continuing
working with Burlington Northern to ensure they get that done at some point.
Chairperson Kondrick
stated good they will need that especially with 300 new workers there.
Commissioner Ostwald
asked with Northern Stacks now on East River Road he asked if there
is any infrastructure type support as in restaurants, hotels, etc.
Mr. Hickok
replied, one of the things they are hearing from citizens now are more restaurants
generally speaking throughout the course of time but over on this side, as they look at
development over there and with a number of new jobs, they are finding a real interest.
ADJOURN:
MOTION
by Commissioner Oquist to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner Ostwald.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, CHAIRPERSON KONDRICK
DECLARED THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY AND THE MEETING
ADJOURNED AT 8:10 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
Denise M. Johnson
Recording Secretary