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PL SUBCOM 04/20/1967 - 31050PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTZ�ITIES SUBCOMMITTEE - APRIL 20, 1967 PAGE 1 The meeting was called to order at 7:55 P,M. b� Chairman Jensen. ROLL CALL: Members present: Albrecht, Jensen, M�hra, Schmedeke Member absent: Nagel Others present: Cit� Manager Wagner, Engineering Assistant Clark ADOPTION OF AGIlV�DA: It was the decision of the Subcommittee to consider Item 2 as the first one on the Agenda. l. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. #67-02, J.R. DuMOUCHEL: Part of Lot 29, Block l, Marian Hills Addition. Mr. DuMouchel was present, and explained that he owned Lot 30, Block l, and North of his lot is Lot 29 which has been left vacant since most of the lot was taken for 52nd Avenue leaving this triangle. The land la� idle for quite a long time. He and his neighbor, Mr. Propokovich, purchased the triangle and agreed how it would be divided. He picked up the piece along his lot, had it surve,yed, paid back taxes, and with legal counsel had papers drawn. We are asking your consideration that the lot lines will be approved. This land will not be sold or built upon, just adding it to oux lots and making the area look better. Chairman Jensen asked Mr. DuMouchel if he had the actual description, and was told that the deed was home, but Mr. DuP'louchel would be glad to get it. Chairman Jensen said the reason for concern is the standard for des- criptions that has been more or less fo�},��wed in lot splits is that in order to make the division of propert�r there must be a simple description. Irregular propert�r becomes difficult and if we were to allow indiscriminate situations of this sort, it becomes too long and makes the job of administering the City's business extremely difficult. It would be well to have the deed as drawn b.y the attorne,y to consider the description because this is a worthy purpose that �rou have in mind. Mr. 0'Bannon said that he built Mr. Propokovich's home, so that he is familiar with the area and that triangle was a collector of all the garbage, and if the City of Fridley would have more people who would take a piece of property like this and improve it, it would be a fine thing. Chairman Jensen told Mr. DuMouchel that if he would be willing to get t1�e deed and return tonight, the Subcommittee will consider it at that time. NLr. DuMouchel agr�ed. 2. DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSID ROAD PLAN FOR THE COCHRAN, C.ARLSON, CHIES, 0'BANNON AND SCI�RER PROPERTIES: The followin.g parties were present: Gawel, Chies, 0'Bannon, Don and Ed Chies, Dick Carlson. .'P & S- S& U Meetin.g - April 20, 1967 Page 2 �� Chairman Jensen reviewed what led to this more or less forward looking stud� of the Subcommittee. We had some activit,y in the area under stud� �South Half of the Southeast Quarter of Section 13�. There have been a number of people interested in various t�pes of development and various uses of this propert� in the past few �ears. There has been new interest in the last two or three �ears and as a result a couple of small plats have been filed along Cochran's propert� and some proposed activity in the past few months and it was the opinion of the Subcommittee some time should be spent looking at the entire parcel. It is one of the few residential areas that are still able to be developed along some sort of orderly plan. The planners for the City were authorized to proceed with some sort of a master plan. The� returned with three different street plans on a very preliminar� basis. We looked over the three street plans and determined that, as far as the Subcommittee was concerned, two had more merit that the other. We had a meetin.g last week and came down to one that we thought would fit more than the other. We made an attempt to pass out copies of these plans to the owners. In answer to the question who the planners were, Chairman Jensen said Hodne and Associates with Kermit Crouch handling it. He is doing that work for the City and it was ou� feelings that we do not feel adequate for this t�rpe job, and we feel we would be doing the best job for the City be having him do this for us. The three plans were displayed and discussed one at a time, Chairman Jensen reading from the minutes of the Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util.meeting of March 30, 1967 the comments of Mr. Crouch. Plan #1 specialized in walkwa,ys with ver�r few crossings of streets. Children are to walk to schools on the walkwa�rs. Plan #2 had free use of rear lot line walkways, and cul de sacs. Plan #3 was the most simple and still have quiet living areas. The Subcommittee felt they did not particularl,y favor Plan #1 and thought the other two plans had more to offer. After some study, it was the feeling of the Subcommittee that Plan #2 had built-in difficulties relating to propert� lines, and because of the properties involved in obtaining mutual cooperation at exactly the same time, it was more difficult than the 3rd plan. The street grades.would be somewhat more difficult than in the 3rd plan. The question was asked if the City would maintain the cul de sacs and are they more expensive to maintain. It would take special equipment, but if there were enough cul de sacs to warrant special equipment, it would have to be considered. Mr. Carlson felt that Plan #3 took too much out of his propert.y for streets in proportion to the balance, but they would absorb their fair share. He felt it was a wonderful idea to get the four major property owners together. It was mentioned there are ways to arrive at a fair distribution of the road. You can alwa,ys set a value on the right of wa�r and to include it in the cost of repairin.g of the street. Member Schmedeke said he did not go along with all these parks. :�P & S- S& U Meeting - April 20, 1967 Page 3 -� Chairman Jensen asked if the propert� owners would give their opinions on the plans. Don Chies said that he liked the cul de sacs. It seemed to him that the steep hill would be difficult for walkwa�s. Ed Chies said he under- stands this is a ver� preliminary plat and the next step is to relate the pl�ns to the topograph�. Mr. Carlson wanted to know if there was an� consideration as to the value of homes that were to be placed in this area. We have quite a range price in homes now in that area. The consensus was that the range would be �20,000 and up. Chairman Jensen said he would like to ask one question of Mr. Carlson and Mr. Chies. What sort of a time schedule would you speculate on as far as completing the earth work phase of your propert�? Mr. Carlson said he anticipated to present the preliminaries to the Board almost any time. Ou� permit runs out September '68. This is strictl� on the proposed grades Suburban �ngineerin.g drew up. We may like to put up a home on Rice Creek Road immediatel�. Mr. Chies said our propert� is actuall� prett� close to grade. There are still two high spots. According to our plan, we are prett� close to grade. Chairman Jensen showed another plan which the Subcommittee worked on at their special meeting of April 11�, using the same topog map. The,y compromised the lot lines and grades. There were several small parks which were about 100' square. He asked for comments on the plans. Mr. Carlson said the� all have merit. Ed Chies said that as far as the Carlson and Don Chies property are concerned, it could be prett,y well worked out. He would like to have the four property owners meet with the planner. NL� Carlson said there is an intent to develop the property and not drop it, so we can present this plan to the owners of the rest of the land. The propert� owners were asked if they could meet together and talk over the plans. Don Chies said the only problem he could see with Plan #2 is that the lots are steep and the back yards would be difficult to mow, but he likes the concept of cul de sacs. There was a short discussion of the back of the houses facin.g the street. Chairman Jensen said he felt there were two factors which must be con- sidered,l� Cut down the number of points of access to Rice Creek Road and Stinson Boulevard; 2� Drainage problem. The propert� owners present agreed to meet among themselves, and, if the� wished to meet later with the planner, they are to contact Chairman Jensen. The question about walkways in the back was discussed a short time. It was noted that some of the new projects are usin.g sidewalks with the utilities easement on either side. Chairman Jensen told the property owners the Subcommittee would wait to hear from them at our next session. �" P& S- S& U Meetin.g - April 20, 1967 pa�e 4 y ITEN! 1 CON'I'INUID: LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. #67-02 J.R. DuMOUCHEL: Mr. DuMouchel returned at 9:20. The description as written on the new certificate of survey was read b,y Chairman Jensen. The Subcommittee agreed it was a simple and to the point description. MOTION by Albrecht, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Plats & Subdivisions- Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend approval of the Lot Split #67-02, J.R. DuMouchel, of part of Lot 29, Block l, Marian Hills Addition, pointing out that the description is more complex than usual, but due to the fact that it is not a buildin.g site, it would not be economical to plat. Upon a voice vote, all votin.g aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. ALIGNMIlQ'r OF 83RD AVII�TE: Favre Gasoline Station. A short resume was given of this problem. Mr. Favre had come in with an application for a building permit and Council did say to go ahead and acquire the right of way, but Superior Oil is urging him to rebuild his station. Coon Rapids was contacted and asked if they would be interested in cooperating, but they were not. The City Attorne� was consulted regarding annexing land for the road from Coon Rapids, but he said it would be too involved. It was noted that the Plannin.g Commission at their meeting of June 23, 1966 moved to concur with the Streets and Utilities Subcommittee recommendation that 83rd Avenue N.E. be considered as part of the logical street pattern and that the Cit�r of Fridley take the necessary steps to carry out that pattern as the need arises and that right of wa,y which is needed, be acquired before ar�y additions to the Favre Gasoline Station are made. The motion by the Council at their regular meeting of Jul�r 5, 1966 stated they would "concur with the recommendation of the Plannin.g Commission and instruct the administratiori to proceed with the necessary steps to obtain an easement for 83rd Avenue in the City of Coon Rapids". It was the unanimous opinion of the Subcommittee that they should go right along with the motion of the Council at their regular meeting of Jul�r 5, 1966 as stated above, and ask the Ehgineering Assistant to draw a map showing a 60 foot road in Coon Rapids approximately 200 feet long. If it is possible to bu�r a piece 60 feet wide and about 200 feet long from the land North of Favre's Station, then there is a way for the road to be build. It was also an unanimous ag•reement that the previous actions taken were proper. � 1 • ' 1�1 There bein.g no fu.rther business, Chairman Jensen adjourned the meeting at 10:05 P.M. Respectfull�r submitted, Hazel 0'Brian Recording Secretary