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PL SUBCOM 05/15/1974 - 31162! � t, � CITY OF FRIDLEY PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS- STREET5 & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING CALL TO ORDER: MAY 15, 1974 PAGE 1 Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:30 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, French, Christensen Members Absent: Meissner, Forster Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Administrator APAROVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-S�REETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: MAY 1, 1974 MOTION by French, seconded by Christensen, that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities minutes of the May Z, Z974 meeting be approved as written. Upon a voice vote� dll voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. I. REQUESfi FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #74-04, MRS. MILDRED MUSTONEN: Split off the Westerly 75 feet of the Easterly 149.89 feet of Lot 11, Block 2, Spring Lake Park Lakeside, to make another building site, 1579 75th Avenue N.E. Mrs. Mustonen was not present. Mr. Clark said this lot is about 150 feet in the East-West dimen�ion and 120 feet in the North-South dimension. The lot split � Mrs. Mustonen would like to see approved is the in�esterly 75 feet of'�- of this lot so she can sell it for a building site. The resulting corner lot does not meet the 80 foot_requirement but as there is already a house on the lot,. � there is no worry about someone not being able to build a house on this lot at a later date. The rear yard of the existing house is about 4 feet short of the 25 foot rear yard requirement but as the petitioner knows what she is doing, and this is an existing house it will'not require a variance. Mr. Clark said as far �.s the staff is concerned, we see no reason to deny this request because the resulting parcel meets the 9,000 square foot requirement with a 75 foot frontage. Mr. Clark said that before Mrs. Mustonen is granted final approval of this lot split she should have the lot surveyed because the drawing presented is just a rough drawing. The lot snrill have to be surveyed before a building permit coiald be issued anyway. Mrs. Mustonor_'s house is at 7500 Lakeside Road and the resulting parcel will face 75th Avenue. y, Mr. Christensen said he was in favor of recommending approval of this request becau:� the new parcel meets all the codes and fulfills Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. Sub. Meeting - May 15, 1974 Page 2 aIl the requirement except for the survey. MOTION by Christensen, seconded by French, that the Plats & Sub- divisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend approval to the Planning Commission of the request for a 1ot split, L.S. #74-04, by Mrs. Mildred Mustonen, to split off the Westerl� 75 feet of the Easterly 149.89 feet of Lot 11, Block 2, 5pring Lake Park Lakeside, to make another building site, Z579 75th Avenue N.E. with the stipulatian that there is a survey made of the Iot. Upon a voice vote, all voting. a�e, the motion carried unanimously. 2. RE'QUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #74-05, SPRINGFIELD HOMES: Split off the Northerly 4 feet of Lot 4, and add it to Lot 3, Block l, Innsbruck North, the same being 5643 North Danube Road N.E. No one present to represent the petitioner. Mr. Clark said the petitioner had put in the foundation of this home and wher: there was a verification survey, they��found that they had used the wrong front iron so the house could not meet the side yard requirement. Lot 4 is a 90 foot lat and they were able to purchase 4 feet from this lot to gain the 10 foot side yard for this existing foundation to meet the code requiremFnt:: This will make Lot 4 86 feet which is not out of context with other lots in this area. If this lot split isn't granted they will either have to ask for a variance � or move the foundation. Mr. Clark said if they would look at the map in their agenda they could see where the radius point was used to locate this foundation instead of the lot iron. MOTION by French, seconded by Christensen, that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend approval to the P�anning Commission of the request for a 1ot split, L.S. #74-05, Springfield H�mes, to split off the Northerly 4 feet of Lot 4, and add it to Lot 3, Block Z, Innsbruck North the same being 5643 North Danube Road N.E. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. BF,.�UEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #74-06, DARREL A.FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Split off that part of Lot 1, Block 28 lying South and East of a line described as follows: Beginning at the North- west corner of Lot 5, Block 4; thenc� North 0 degrees 09 mi_nutes 12 seconds East a distance of 1.50 (bearing assumed from plat of record); thence South 89 degress 50 minutes 48 seconds East to the West line of Lot 4, Block 4, and there terminating, and add it to Lot 5, Block 4, Innsbruck North Ta�,,anhouse 3rd Addition, the , same being 5537 East Bavarian Pass N.E. 4. REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #74-07, DARREL A. �'�RR DEVELOPM�'.N'I? CORPORATION: Split off the South 2 feet of Lot 5, Block 4, and add it to Lot 6, Block 4, Innsbruck North Townhouse 3rd Addition, the same being 5539 East Bavarian Pass N.E. Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. Sub. Meetin - Ma. 15, 1974 Pa e 3 5• REQ�EST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. #74-08, DARREL A. FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPQRATION: Split off the South 2 feet of Lot 7, Block 4, and add it to Lot 8, Block 4, Innsbruck North Townhouse 3rd Addition, the same being 5533 East Bavarian Pass N.E. 6• REQUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT: L.S. #74-09, DARREL A. FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION: Split off the South 2 feet of Lot 6, Block 4, and add it to Lot 7, Block 4, Innsbruck North Townhouse 3rd Add�_tion, the same being 5535 Ea�t Bavarian Pass N.E. Mr. Roland Kruger was present to represent the petitioner. C3�airman Harris said they would handle these four requests together as they were four adjacent lots. Mr. Kruger said this was a four stall garage location. Mr. Clark said these had to handled as four different requests because each garage would be owned by a different owner. He said he didn't know how these garages were located 2 feet off the line but as far as staff was concerned they didn't see any reason not to grant the request as these garages were already built. He said when he talked tQ Mr. Kruger, he did. question whether this should be done by 1ot split or platting. The legal descriptions are quite simple on three of the requests, but the other one is quite complicated. We had a similar situation in the first townhouse addition, an3 there it was done by replatting. It wouldn't matter if this subcommittee considers this as a lot split �o� a replat, but your motion should state how you want it handled. Mr. Kruger said if they knew how the�e garages were built off the lot line, heads would roll, but everyone says they did their job right. He said tha� the r.eason they had applied for lot sp];its was because the gentleman who prepared the surveys thought �his would suffice. Mr. Harris saia r.e thought the description for Parcel 4 which was 5537 East Bavarian Pass N.E. was quite lengthy and he thought it would be better to replat than to use this legal description for this property. It is hard to interpret. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Clark is this was all abstract property. Mr. Clark said he thought it was. Mr. Harris said you couldn't file these lot splits at the County if it. was torrens property. Our experience has been that if the County gets a long, lengthy description, that they send it back for a plat. When this property is sold, he thought in the long run, it would be better to clarify these descriptions of the lots. Mr. Kruger s.aid that it so happens that this is the only garage that has been sold, and it was when they were closing on the sale of the townhouse that they discovered this error. The purchaser and their attorney had no objection to this legal description. Mr. Christensen said he felt that the most logical recour�e was to have this replatted. Plat`s '& S�ubs�.'-Str. & Uti'l. Sub.' Nieetin - Ma 15, 1974 Pa e 4 Mr. French said he thought that in the ldng run this lengthy description wou�Id cause problems in the resale of the property also. MOTION by Christensen, seconded by French, that the P1ats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee approves the Zand division on the requc�st for'Iot spl.its, L.S_ #�4-06, #74-07, #74-OS and #74-09, b' Darrel A Faxr Develapment Corpoxatzon but recorat�end that Lots 5, 6, 7 and 8, Block 4, Innsbruck North Townhouse 3rd Addition be repZatted. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 7• CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #74-03, JIM LUND ESTATES, BY JIM LUND: Being a replat of the North Half of Lot 31, and all o Lot 30, Auditor's Subdivision No. 129, located between Onondaga Street and 73rd Avenue N.E. Mr. Jim Lund was present. �hairmari Harris said there had been notices sent out on this request to the property owners in the area that this would be an informal Public Hearing. Mr. Lund explained his proposed plat. He said this plat was located between 73rd Z�venue N.E. and Onondaqa Stree�.. He said that there will be a private road on 74th �venu��on part of Lot 4, and all of Lots 5 and 6, Block 2, This will terminate about half way on Lot 6, where it will dead erid. He said this will be a 24 foot road with 30 foot right of way. At the West end of 74th Avenue there will be a temporary cul-de-sac with a 40 foot radius and 100 foot right of way. Anoka Street will come down about the middle of the plat between Blocks 1 and 2. He said that with the road pattern -he was presenting all the surface v�ater could drain out Onondaga. Mr. Lund said all the lots will be 138 feet deep except Lots 4, 5 and 6, Block 2, which will be 133 feet. The lots will have 77 foot frontages except for the corner lots which will be 78.75 feet. He wants these lots this size because he wants to build 42 foot houses with a 20 foot garage, making a total of 62 feet so the lots have to havE 77-,f�.ot frontage to meet the setback requirements. This way he can give the buyer more house for the money. Mr. Lund said there would be asphalt streets with concrete curb except on the half street, and he would like to put an asphalt berm on the temporary cul-de-sac. He sai_d that all the lots will be higher than Onondaga Street, and because this is a real sandy area, he didn't think there would be any problem with surface water on these lots. He said he could tap into the sewer and water at Onondaga. Mr. Clark said this street plan differs somewhat from a plan that was adopted a couple of years ago for this area. In the previous plan Plats & Subs. -Str. & Util. Sub. Meeting - May 15, 1974 Page 5 the street would come down on the East side of the property and turn on 74th in an L shape and go , to tie in with Lakeside. Because of this, the garage on Lot 28 (1482 Onondaga) is facing East and it looks like the garage door is about 21 feet from Lot l, Block 1, on this plat. This will have to be handled by some type of driveway easement, on this plat. He said this street pattern of this plat fits the coutour of the land better than the original plan. Mr. G;3�ark said that on the lot sizes, the corner lots should be 80 feet, so we are suggesting that the other lots be 75 feet and the corner lots be 82.75 feet. Mr. Lund, on his proposal shows the cul-de-sac terminating one lot sooner. We think this cul-de-sac should be moved to the West end of 74th Avenue because it might become permanent instead of temporary. Mr. Clark continued that as far as the two lots on the East end of 74th, we would prefer not to have sewer stubs there and think these two lot should be red tagged and not built upon until this street is developed. There will have to be a storm s�wer installed sometime when 74th Avenue is extended to Lakeside. Mr. Harris asked if all the lots meet the square footage requirements? Mr. Clark said they all did except for the 80 foot requirement on corner lots. Mr. Lund said if the other lots have to be 75 feet so the corner lot can be 80 feet, this would limit the type of house he could build on these lots. Mr. Clarence Gunn, 1475 73rd Avenue N.E. asked what the minimum lot requirement was. Mr. Clark said it was 9,000 square feet with a 75 foot frontage on inside lots and 80 foot frontage�on corner lots. Mr. Gunn said he owns Lot 27 and has a lot 301 feet by 82 feet. If he split this lot, would it meet the requirements? Mr. Clark said it would if 74th Avenue was extended. Mr. Gordon �nasodskey, 1491 Onondaga, said this is a better plan for this property than what has been proposed before. He was con- cerned about the additional traffic because of Flanery Park. He said there was a lot of traffic around�this park and a lot of cars parked on the street because of this. Mr. Clark said that most parks have residential streets by th�� so this wouldn't be any different. Mr. Clark asked the S�ubcommittee if they knew that the North side of 74th was zoned R-1 and the South side was zoned R-3. Mr. Harris said they were a�aare of this. Mr. Don Hanson said the curb cut for the driveway for 1482 Onondaga was right in the middle of the prcperty line of the proposed Lot 1, Block 1, of this plat. If the driveway has to be moved, the curb cut will have to be moved also. He said there was a telephone on this corner which would add to the difficulty of moving this driveway. Mr. Lund said this was going to have to be handled some way on the plat but he hadn't determined just how this would be done as yet. Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. Sub. Meeting - May 15, 1974 Page 6 Mr. Clark said this would have to be negotiated with the property owner of Lot 28. Mr, French asked what it would do to the drainage if the street pattern was L shaped in this plat. Mr. Clark said it would require a lot of fill and a storm sewer to have this street as it was proposed before. Mr. Lund's proposal will only require about half a foot of fill and surface drainage to Onondaga. Anne McCusker, 1482 Onondaga, said she wondered what the setbacks would be for the homes facing Onondaga. Mr. Clark said the minimum setback would be 35 feet. Ms. McCusker said the existing houses on Onondaga had much deeper setbacks. Mr. Clark checked these setbacks and said it iooked like they were around 70 feet or more. He said the Code says you have to take thesetback of the two structures on either side of the property and divide this by 2, and this average can be varied by 6 feet either way. On Lot!.1, Block l, you would have to assume that Lot 2, even if it is vacant, has a 35 foot setback. If the house on the other side has a 70 foot set}aack, this would give you a total of 105 feet, and divided by two would give you a setback of about 53 feet which could be adjusted to 47 feet or 59 feet. You would continue to do this down the block so that the setback would continue to move forward until you reach the minimum of 35 feet. This makes a block look nicer because there isn't any drastic change in setback from one lot to another. Mr. Gunn said the utility poles would have to be moved to develop this plat. Mr. Harris said they usually request that there be underground utilities in new plats. Mr. Lund and the owner of the property at 1482 Onondaga had a diseussionon how the driveways might be worked out to serve both properties. Mr. Clark said that while this was worthwhile discussion, as long as the two parties could work it out, it would not have much bearing on this plat. Mr. Harris asked if the people who owned property where 74th could be extended East had been contacted. Mr. Clark said Mr. Lund has contacted them and th�y were not interested�in splitting their lots at this time. He said it would be better all around if this street could be extended to Lakeside all at the same time. It would be cheaper and the storm sewer could be put in then also. It is actually a Council decision on whether they want to push for this street now or later. Mr. Don Saba said his mother owned the home at 1485 73rd Avenue N.E. and as he understands the proposal, there wouldn't be any homes built on Lots 5 and 6 in Block 2. Mr. Clark said they were asking that these two lots not be built upon because of lack of access and because they would have to stub the sewer there. Mr. Harris said he would like something in writing that Mr. Lund would not ask to build on these 1Qts until the balance of the street goes in to Lakeside. Plats & Subs.-Str. & Util. Sub, Meeting - May 15, 1974 Page 7 Mr. Saba asked what type of homes Mr. Lund was going to build on these lats. Mr. Lund said they would be in about the $35,000 range similar to what he had built on 75th and Old Central. Mr. Lund said he wouldn't mind leaving Lots 5 and 6 and not building on them is there were no assessments against them. Mr. Harris said it could be ten years before this street is extended. It would be a Council decision on how soon this street does go in, but it is inevitable that the street will be there. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Clark if the width of the streets were right. There'is 50 foot right of way. Mr. Clark said a 31 foot street would be all right on Anoka Street, but 64th should be 46 feet. Mr. Gunn asked what would be the problem of extending 74th Avenue to the West. Mr. Harris said we do have the right of way. It could not be extended all the way to Hayes Street because there are garages and a home in the way. Mr. Clark said this plat does leave the option open for other people to split their lats. Mr. Gnasodskey asked how far Anoka Street would be from his property line. Mr. Clark said it would be 50 feet from the East line of his property to the West line of the street. i Mr. Saba asked if the lots that were affected by the cul-de-sac would �till meet the minimum lot requirements. Mr, French said the square footage on these lots is 9,975 and he was sure that it wouldn't take 975 feet away from these lots for the cul-de-sac. Mr. Harris said they would be so close to the minimum requirement as to not be any problem. Mr. French said he would want to see the cul-de-sac moved to the West boundary of the plat, and stipulate that there be underground utilities. He said he would like us to ask for a tree on each lot and also a stipulation for working out a driveway easement between Lot 1, Block l, and the owners of Lot 28, and work out any potential drainage problems , and get an agreement from the developer that Lots 5 and 6, Block 2, would not be built upon until the entire street is developed. Mr. Christensen asked if there had to be a stipulation about the setbacks in Block 1. Mr. Clark said this would be handled at the administration level because this was part of the City Code. He said he was glad this came out in the discussion so that everyone was aware af it. Mr. Harris said the lot sizes would have to meet the code and the corner lots would have to be 80 feet, and the other lot sizes adjusted so this requirement could be met. Mr. Harris said we should say something about cutting off that half street also. He said that before this goes to the Planning Commission Mr. Lund should have a -����r.�pp�y map made with Engineering data. Plats '& Subs. -Str. &-Util. Sub. Meeting - May 15, 1974: Page 8 Mr. Clark said ther� should be concrete curb on all the streets except for the cul-de-sac and that could be an asphalt berm because it is temporary. Mr. Clark aslsed if they wanted to put a time limit on when the East extension of 74th wou].d go in. Mr. Harris said he thought he would just as soon leave this to the Council. He was sure it would depend upon when Lot 32 was developed. MOTION by French, seconded by Christensen, that the P1ats & Sub- divisions-Streets & Utilities 5ubcommittee recommend approval to thE Planning Commission on preliminary plat, P.S.:#74-03, Jim Lund Estates, by Jim Lund, a repZat of the North Half of Lot 31, and a11 of Lot 30, Auditor's Subdivision No. 120, located between Onondaga Street N.E. with the following stipuZations: 1. �' :Negotia te for drivew�y access wi th the �ornrner of Loi� 28, '�i�d . Subdivision No. 129. 2. Move the center of the cul-de-sac to the East boundary of Lot 4, B1ock l, and Lot 1, Block 3. 3. Provide underground utilities. 4. Developer provide one tree per Zot 2" in diameter except where there is already a tree on the lot. 5.Elimins�e the half street going to the East on 74th Avenue and delay the construction of this street until Lot 32 is developed with an agreement from the developer that Lots 5 and 6 will be red tagged until this time. 6. A topography map be pregared before the Planning Commission meeting and the drainage problems be worked out with the City Engineer. 7. The corner .tots be a rninimum of SO feet. 8. 5tub sewer and water just behind the pavement at 74th & Anoka. UPON A VOICE VOTE, aIl voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairman Harris adjourned the meeting at 9:20 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Dorothy Ev'enson, Secret��y . 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