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PL 12/14/1967 - 310010 r PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING DECEMBER 14, 1967 The meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Erickson. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Myhra, Erickson, Jensen Members Absent•: Ylinen, Hughes Others Present: Engineering Assistant Clark APPROVE PI�`:_ ''; � COMMISSION MINUTES • NOVEMBER 30, 1967 : PAGE 1 MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Co�nission minutes of Navember 30, 1967 be approved. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: DECF�IEBER 7 1967: " ^ MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Commission receive �� the minutes of the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee for December 7, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL MINUTES: NOVF�NIBER 28 1967: MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Co�nission receive the minutes of the Building Standards-Design Control for November 28, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: NOVEMBER 29 1967: MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Co�nission receive the minutes of the Board of Appeals for November 29, 1967. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ORDER OF AGENDA• The Vice Chairman stated the Commission would proceed as the items are listed. 1. PUBLIC MEETING: RESIDENTS ON JOHNSON'S RIVER LANE: INTERSECTION PATTERN: MISSTSSIPPI STREET & EAST RIVER ROAD BOB'S PRODUCE RADiCH • � Present to discuss this item were Elmer Johnson, Don Batterson and Benson Investment Company represented by D. Co Chandler and J. R. Levine. Member Jensen said he would like to talk in general about the history of the present plan. Sometime ago, something like 6 or 8 months ago, a plan was generated by the Streets & Utilities-Plats & Subdivisions Subcommittee which � ^ ��-_.� � Planning Commission Meeting - December 14, 1967 Pa�e 2 differed to some extent from the plan we are looking at tonight. That plan was similar in that the intersection of Mississippi Street and East River road was to be a full four way intersection. The differences essentially were that Mississippi Street was connected with Mississippi Place and a service road was provided North along the West side of East River Road. The plan was recommended for adoption to the City Council and it was his under- standing that they received the plan but did not take a specific action relative to it. Instead they passed it on to the County Engineer for review at that level. At that point there was no activity on the proposal. In the meantime, Mr. Schroer changed his basic plan for the pr�posed building and display area with the result that there was no more need for a service drive. This alternate plan was drawn, went to Council, back to the Subcommittee and it took action r�commending approval with a few features which we wished to have incorporated in the plan. This will be found in the Subcommittee minutes on page 15 in tonight`s Agenda. Mr. D. C. Chandler said they were surprised that the Planning Commission would even consider taking access frontage away from a commercialized lot. Who do you expect to pay for this? We have been paying on this street now for seven years. We are not about to stand still for this. The plan we saw a year ago had Mississippi Way connected to Mississippi Street through the Mobil Station. This plan tonight is a custom plan for Bob's Produce. We are com- pletely opposed to this set up. Why was the other plan dropped? Jensen stated that all he meant to indicate by his comments was that the plan presented this evening was an alternate plan. Mr. R. J. Levine said the statement was the fact that Bob came up with an alternate plan whereby�he did not need a service road and his only question is ��hy��� - Jensen explained that the only consideration in the Subcommittee meeting relative to the benefits of this plan over the previously adopted or accepted p1an, was that Mississippi Place essentially residential, was going to serve a very high co�ercial type of traffic, and this is not good planning. The other plan arxanged for the commercial traffic to filter back out onto Missis- sippi Place in order to make many of the exits that would be required. Mr. Chandler said that should this plan go into effect, it would mean that their particular piece of property, instead of being a corner commercial, would then become a landlocked piece with no exit or entrance. The property would be devaluated. Member Jensen said he believed they could get in by way of Mississippi place and be able to pull out and go South. Judge Johnson said, now to Bob's Produce Plan, taking off the gas station and running a street East-West right on Bob's property, would they pay for the street improvement? Erickson answered that if the County designated this as a County road, they would pay for the whole thing. Judge Johnson then asked "Would those of us who are adjacent have to pay for another road? We are still paying for Mississippi Place, now have River- Planning Commission Meeting - December 14, 1967 Pa�e 3 ^ view Terrace going North-South and paying for that also. I am paying for Riverview Terrace, Mississippi Place and now we are getting a third road. Erickson asked Judge Johnson what he would think if Bob's Produce were to pay for all of the Mississippi Place and are your objections to the assess- ments or pattern? In reply Judge Johnson said the pattern and assessments. When this was put in and the County Engineer put signal lights there, I had asked him to have the signals about ten feet further South. Your first responsibility is to make safe roads. If the signal light would be a little to the South, widen the driveway of the Mobil Gas Station, widen Mississippi Place, I believe that would do what you want to do. Mr. Chandler said the plan was designed specifically for Bob's Produce. Jensen stated that there was one thing he wanted to make clear and to make certain. The original plan presented about eight or nine months ago was not adopted, but progressed through the Planning Conunission up to Council. If you will notice, this plan provides for a service road approximately up to 66th. There are arrows on it. One way traffic to the North beyond that two way street. Now the thinking that went into this plan was we could not have two way traffic coming toget�er. Traffic which wanted to move South on East River Road and move North could go back to the South or move back through � here down to Riverview Terrace. Essentially, probably 75% of traffic leaving � this commercial development would end up by leaving Mississippi Place behind your house and on out. Mr. Levine asked if there was much traffic on Mississippi Street just now. He was told the txaffic is heavy going North-South on East River Road, but not on Mississippi Place. Jensen said to Judge Johnson that it is his situation, along with the apartment houses, that we took into consideration. If we are not serving you by that consideration, we must be off on the wrong track. I wonder how the apartment would like looking at the heavy commercial traffic behind the building but have a very quiet front view. 'Mr, Levine said he congratulated the Planning Commission on one thing. They received better treatment, a lot better treatment, than the last time they appeared before a Corrnnittee. It seemed the protesters were not present so the hearing was continued. Judge Johnson repeated that his main objection was the assessments because this would make a third road they would be paying for. It seems the problem is how to get the traffic in and out, and Erickson said that perhaps they should go back to the original plan and modify it. MOTION by Myhra, seeonded by Jensen, that the Intersectian Pattern for /� Mississippi Street and East River Road be continued until the next scheduled meeting of the Pla,nning Commission (December 28, 1967). Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��67-01, MYLO PARKS, PARCELS 2000, 2010, 2020, AITDITOR'� PlanninQ Commission Meetin� - December 14, 1967 Page 4 �-'�.� SUBDIVISION ��10 REVISED: Owner Herwal, Inc., George Walquist. The members reviewed the decision of the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities minutes of December 7, 1967, Planning Commission and Council's previous actions. MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jensen, that after a reviewal of the proposed plan for the Northeast c�rner of Central Avenue and Mississippi Street by Herwal, Incorporated, it was moved that.the Lot Split ��67-01, of Parcels 2000, 2010 and 2020, Auditor`s Subdivision ��10 Revised be granted with the following changes: (1) The Westerly portion shall be 125 feet abutting on Mississippi Street, that the Easterly portion be 110 feet on Mississippi Street. (2) Any structure would be located no nearer than 35 feet from the present property line on Central Avenue and 35 feet from the present line on Mississippi Street. That the property owner give to the City of Fridley an easement over the Southerly six feet of the entire property for right of way purposes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. DISCUSSION OF AREA BETWEEN 57TH AVENUE AND 61ST AVENUE: UNIVERSITY AVENUE TO MAIN STREET• The Commission held a general discussion referring to a map prepared by Vice Chairman Erickson. No•action. � 4. PROPOSED ZONING CODE: The Commission worked on Section 5, R-1 Family Dwelling, beginning with 45.19 Parking to Front Yard Requirements. MEETING • It was decided to meet at the regular time on Dec2mber 28, 1967, and this was to be a study meeting with planners. Also the Proposed Zoning Study would be continued at that time. AATOURNMENT • MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Commission adjourn at 11;20 P.M. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, Hazel 0`Brian Recording Secretary � � 1 �i SIGN - IN SHEET -- PL�ANNING C�ffSSION MEETING ;. 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