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PL 06/13/1968 - 31009- . - �...:. . '� ^ � � PLE�NNING CON.�ilSSION MEETING ROLL CALL• JUNE 13, 1968 PAGE 1 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Hughes at 7:38 P.M. Members Present: Myhra, Jensen, Hughes, Ericksan, Ylinen Others Present: City Engineer Nasim Qureshi ORDER OF AGENDA• Chairman Hughes suggested delaying consideration of the Minutes because of the time schedule for the public hearings until later on .in the evening. 1. PUBLIC Ii�ARING: REZODTING REQUEST, ZOA.��68-09, LARRY FERGUSON: Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Gunderson Terrace. Rezone from R-1 to R-3. The public hearing notice was read by Chairman Hughes. Mr. Ferguson was not present. Mr. Dale Hagen, 7478 Ha.yes Street: We have a petition which we would like read into the minutes of this meeting. This wi11 sum up our wishes. The heading of the petition dated June 12, 1968 is as follows: We the undersigned property owners of single family dwellings and residents of the area in, around, and adjacent to Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Gunderson Terrace, hereby pe�tition the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley to deny the request (ZOA ��68-09) to rezone the R-1 district to any.other zone than R-1. That the undersigned represent the majority of �the single family dwelling property owners in, around and adjacent to Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Gunderson Terrace, and hereby voluntarily signify our objection to such rezoning requests and respectfully request the Planning Cou�ission to deny such requests. There were thirty-one signatures. . MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Co�ission accept the petition requesting denial of the rezoning request, ZOA �,�68-09, dated June 12, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried. Virgi.nia Conrad, 7440 Bacon Drive: Mrs. Conrad stated they did not care .._ . to have an i.n,flux of apartments. As far as__�..W._ Onan needing residences,6 _ .... there are still plenty of R-1 Districts. She did not think that apartment buildings built that close to private residences would be beneficial. Mike Svitak, 1381 75th Avenue: He stated he had not had the opportunity to sign the petition presented to the Planning Co�ission this evening and:_ asked permission to do so. He opposed the rezoning. � Henry G. Hamersma, 1405 Onondaga Street: When he built his house about a year ago, there were no apartments. If there had been, he would not hav�- -� built. � ' . 9 c Plannin� Commission Meetin� - June 13, 1968 Page 2 ti MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Co�ission close •,,� the Public Hearing of the rezoning request, ZOA ��68-09, Larry Ferguson, of Lots 1 and 2, B1ock 3, Gunderson Terrace to rezone trom R-1 to R-3. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Erickson commented that, obviously, this is pretty mu.ch of a single family area, and, at this particular time, he saw no reason to extend this type of zoning East of Central Avenue. MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Commission recommend to the Council denial of the rezoning requ�st, ZOA ��68-09, Larry Ferguson of Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Gunderson Terrace to rezone from R-1 to R-3. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Chairman said he agreed with Mr. Erickson's reasoning. The present use of the area is not an argument in favor of additional multiples in that area at all. He informed the audience that the reco�endation of the Planning Commission is not binding, but the decision rests with the City Council. This recommendation will be forwarded to Council for their m�eting on�June 17, 1968. CONSIDERATION OF MLNUTES: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 9, 1968: MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning�Co�►ission ,^, minutes of May 9, 1968 be approved. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. - ACCEPT PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: MAY 23, 1968: MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Co�anission minutes of May 23, 1968 be accepted. Upon a voice v�te, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION CONIMISSION MIN[TTES: MAY 13, 1968: MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Co�ission receive the Parks & Recreation Commission minutes of May 13, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � � ItECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION CONIMT.SSION MINUTES: MAY 27. 1968: MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Co�nnission receive the Parks & Recreation Commission minutes of May 27, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.' � RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION CONIl�IISSION MINUTES: JUNE 3, 1968: � MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planni�g Commission receive the Parks & Recreation C�mmission minutes of June 3, 1968. Upon a n voice vote,�all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL MINUTES: MAY I5, 1968: MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Commission receive the Building Standards-Design Control minutes of May 15, 1968. �Jpon .. a voice vote,.all voting aye., the motion carried unanimously. � ,�_ Plannin� Conunission Meeting - June 13. 1968 � Page 3 ',� RECEIVE BUILDING STAN'DARDS-DESIGN CONTROL MINUTES: N1AY 27, 1968: MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Commission receive the Building Standards-Design Control minutes of May 27, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: MAY 22, 1968: MOTION by Ylinen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning CoIIanission receive the Board of Appeals minutes of May 22, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCONINIITTEE MINUTES: JUNE 11, 1968; MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Erickson, that the Planning Commission receive the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcoxumittee minutes of June 11, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani- mously. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: PROPOSED PRELIMCNARY PLAT, P.S. ��68-03, SOUT�TON 2ND ADDITION, JULIAN JOHNSON: Outlot �2, Worrel Addition. Mr. Johnson was not present, probably based on the action of the Plats and Subdivisions-Streets and Utilities Subcommittee. � � Mr. Jensen said there were some unresolved questions relative to the plat. The lots were not in question but a street plan should be resolved. The Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee would discuss this problem at their meeting on June 20, 1968. MOTION by.Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the P�anning Commission con- tinue the proposed preliminary plat, P.S. ��68-03, Southhampton 2nd Addition, Julian Johnson of Outlot ��2, Worrel Addition until the meeting of June 27, 1968. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. �68-09, ROBERT D. DEGARDNER: Lots 22 through 25, Block 7, Spring Brook Park Addition. Mr. Erickson explained that he had talked to the petitioner and he has not resolved the matter of-Lot�26. MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Ylinen, that the'Planning Co�ission � continue the item of the Lot Split request (L.S. �68-09) Robert D. DeGardner • of Lots 22 through 25, Block 7, Spring Brook Park Addition until the June 27, 1968 meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani.mousll 4. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��68-11, LEROY B. SMCTH: Lot 2, Block 1, Spring' Valley Addition. � � ^ Mr. Jensen, Chairman of the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Sub- committee, stated the Subcoaunittee had.recommended approval. .The request - involves a division of 137 feet from the South of Lot 2, Block 1, Sprixig � � . Valley Addition. The Subcommittee, he said, made its'recommendation subject , • • 4 _�__ . Plannin� Commission Meeting - June 13, 1968 Page 4 '�-� to providing a 25 foot right of way for street purposes on the North of Lot 2 and a 5 foot drainage and utility on both sides of•the division line and requested that the petitioner provide legal document for the consideration of the Planning CouIInission. Because Mr. Smith was noC present, Mr. Jensen felt there had not.been enough time for him to prepare the above informa.tion. MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Erickson, that the Planni.ng Co�►ission'con- tinue until the meeting of June 27, 1968 the lot split request (L.S. �68-11) Leroy B. Smith of Lot 2, Block 1, Spring Valley Addition. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani.mously. 5. � CARTER-DAY CONIPANY: Approve Registered Land Survey, RLS ��68-03: The Chairman said the purpose of the registered land survey for Carter- Day Company is to simplify the legal description of the tract.� The City Engineer told the Commission this property is owned by Carter- Day. There might be an easement on the South side for the high power trans- mission lines of Northern States Power Co. MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Co�ission approve the Registered Land Survey (RLS ��68-03) of Carter-Day Company. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye; �the motion carried unanimously. 6. VACATION REQUEST: SAV ��68-Q3, HENRY G. SAFFERT: Lots 22A�and 22B, Block 1, � Lyndale Builders 4th Addition for garage. Mr. and Mrs. Saffert were present. Mr. Saffert had consulted with the City Attomey who said he would geC the information needed for the Planning Coumaission. Mx. Saffert had received letters from Northern States Power Co. and Northwestem Be11 Telephone Co. saying they had no objections to his re- quest. _ The City Engineer said he had had a preliminary discussion with the City. Attorney. He said if the Planning Comaaission wished to recommend approval of the vacation, by the time it would go to Council he would�have the correct legal procedure. . � There was a discussion regarding whether or not the easement was filed on the p1at. If it were, the City saould have to release it. Then the matter �� of the letters from the Utility companies, whether or not they would be 100% effective in case of legal matters, was discussed. MOTION by Jensen, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning Commission recom- mend approval to the Council of the vacation �equest (SAV ��68-03)�Henry G. � Saffert, of the Easterly two feet of the Southerly fifteen feet of the five foot by 20 foot anchor easement located at the Northwest comer of Lot 22A, Block 1, Lyndale Builders 4th Addition: Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unai�.imously. . _ �,� 7. PUBLIC HEARING: PROPOSED PRELIMINARY�PLAT, P.S. ��68-04, BARTH ADDITION, �, MERWIN BARTH: Lots 16 and 17, Block 2, Spring Lake Park Lakeside. � � Mr. Barth was present. � � , � • i�� +- Planning Commission Meetin� = June 13, 1968 Pat�e 5 ��"�, The Chairman read the public hearing notice. A proposed street pattern, including the dedication by Ando Terrace (South and East of the lot split) was discussed. The City Engineer suggested that East/West easement be dedicated fox Northern States Power and Northwestern Bell Telephone Co. utilities if the plat is developed before the area is and that a North/South dedication be provided for street. MOTIDN by Ylinen, seconded by Erickson, that the Planning Commission close the public hearing of the proposed preliminary plat (P.S. ��68-04) Barth Addition by Merwin Barth of Lots 16 and 17, Block 2, Spring Lake Park Lakeside. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Co�ission concur with the recommendation of the Subcommittee and recommend approval of the pro- posed preliminary plat (P.S. ��68-04) Barth Addition, Merwin Barth of Lots 16 and 17, Block 2, Spring Lake Park Lakeside. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion caxried unanimously. -� 8. LOT SPLIT REQITEST: L.S. �68-12, CENTRAL SERVICE CO., KEITH G. HOLVENSTOT, AGENT: Lot 15, Block 4, Bennett Palmer Addition. Mr. Glenn Evans represented Mr. Holvenstot and explained that the request was to split the South 24 feet of Lot 15. � . �"1 It was agreed the description of the lot split was.satisfactory. MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Co�nission concur with the action of the Subcommittee and recommend to the Council approval of the lot split request (L.S. ��68-12) by Central Service Company, Keith G. Hol- venstot, Agent, of the South 24 feet of Zot 15, Block 4, Bennett Palmer Addi- tion. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 9. REVIEW CHANGE IN PLANNED DEVELOPMENT (ZOA �k66-16) HAROLD�SCHROEDER BY CAMCO, INC.: James Solverson. Mr. Howard.J. Dumphy, James Solverson; Peter J. Campion and Mervyn Eliason were present to discuss the requested change. . Mr. Solvexson and the CoIIUnission went over the list of items prepared by the Engi.neering Assistant. .a__. .�..... .. A. Lota .32 . thr.�ugh 35, Block -10, Sp�ing-. Bro.ok.. AdditiQn_ Dx.iginally_ saer.e.. nat- .. _ owned by Mr. Dumphy but were approved i.n the original plan. However, � they have now been purchased. B. The total square footage of apartment area is 266,500-D-. � 2.� Christian, Schroeder and Dumphy. n 3. We have shoc,m contour at two foot intervals. Plateau and then considerable drop to creek. They are building the apartment on plateau area with the lower area for the recreation purposes. � 4. Gross floor area 98,700 + square feet. 5. Total building area divided by three. v 0 �.�_ � _ Plannin� Co�nission Meeting - June 13, 1968 Pa�e 6 � . . 6. 163 parking stalls - 1.5 per apartment. �"1 7. Doesn't apply. 8. Propose to have two exits on Ruth Street 55 feet from corner and a 22 foot wide entrance. 9. There is a walk along the River Road, and will put in a walk to pedestrian bridge to lower level park. 10. Indicate the extension of Liberty storm sewer to creek -- applicant said they would install the storm sewer. 11. All area wi11 be landscaped. The recreational area will be left as natural as possible. 12. Ground area will be sodded, parking lots blacktopped, sidewalks concrete. There will be plan�s along the north side of the property. � 13. Construction will be 2? to 3 story buildings, wood f�ame with brick, stucco base, brick veneer, balconies for all apartments, sliding doors, lower apartments with walkouts to outdoor patio area, court or pool area wi11 be depressed four feet. _ Mr. Myhra asked why the change ma.de from the original structure as he felt the � new decision was a step down arrangement. Mx. Solverson�explained that the units were 21'x30' with the narrow end to the outside and showed why the new arrangement was more practical. At this point the question of signs and the commercial area was discussed to some extent. The question was whether or not the commercial would be the same design. Mr. Dumphy said that would depend upon the person going into the com- mercial. Right now they are working on the first phase which is developing the , apartment area. Mr. Erickson said in regard�to the commercial property, the original proposal n����� was based�4on fig�a:r�s�.ven to the City as far as square footage goes, these ��� �-�' figures were�correct and now you are about an acre short. You are losing part _ j�/?� of the parking area for the commercial. Wh.en this complex was proposed earlier, -, it was proposed for one design for both apartment complex and commercial area. � . You are asking us to split it into two pieces with two designs. What was wrong, in your opinion, of the exterior design of the original plan? Mr. Solverson answered that it was his opinion that stu�co with brick combination would make a more handsome building. � . C. 1. The development schedule depends on the Planning Co�ission and Council approval. They were thinking of starting the apartment complex this fall and finish by next•.summer, commercial the summer of 1969 finishing the ' following spring (1970). " � Changes from Approved Plan. 1. We have not provided garages main�y because the g�.rages shown on the previous plan would be too expensive to build due to the subsoil condition, 0 t r ' � Planning Co�ission Meetin� - June 13, 1968 Page 7 .� � �` and you would have to haul in at least four feet of fill. We would like it as an option. 2. We try to encourage people to walk over to the commercial area, so no road has been planned between the apartment complex and comruercial area. Chairman Hughes, speaking to Mr. Solverson, said that the plan he is requesting is for parking lot in the lower area. Does that mean he is requesti�g optional building of garages or not? Mr. Solverson said he wished to change to no garages. D. 1. Ely Circle still has to be vacated. Chairman Hughes said the lot in the northwest corner really did not have to enter into the Planned Development District, bnt now it is a significant problem. � 2. Ely Circle -- it is officially a street and has to be vacated. . 3. Mr. Duinphy explained that Mr. Schroeder was the petitioner in the original petition and it was in.his name, but actually, Mr. Dumphy was the petitione= Mr. Schroeder drew the schematic design, bu� when approached to design the buildings, he was tied up. Chairman Hughes said it seemed that the petition had been granted td Mr. Schroeder as a matter of record. The City Engineer stated the application was submitted by Howard Dumphy, owner and prepared by Buetow & Associates. All contracts and letter approving the complex wexe written to Mr. Schroeder and a copy to Mr. Du.mphy. 4. There is approximately three acres of recreational area divided into children's area and adults' plus the pool area. 5. There is a walk on the right of way ox� East River Road. The Engineer said 24 feet is to be dedicated for a street and the new property line would be�24 feet east of the present property line. The 24 foot easement is to expand East River Road. There is a service road on the South of the complex between Liberty and 79th on the east side. We have four lanes on East River Road. For the traffic.into this complex, we have to have at least another 12 foot right turn lane and 12 feet for left turn lanes to the west. This is the overall plan. We do have a service road running on the south side. 6. The house��on Lots 32 through 35, B1ack 10,�Spring Brook Addition is to be removed. The City Engineer called attention to the fact that there are a large number of streets publicly owned in the Planned Development District which are included in the area figures and the City is actually giving up the land which they own. When we quote a 24 foot right of way, we figured this in the total land requirement.of the complex. This-.P..D..zoning is quite a step up from R-1 to R-3 and�C-2S.� The whole idea is tihat we can get a development which is an asset to the community. � The original plan for_the entrance to Ruth Stxeet was section and now it is cut down to 55 feet wl�ich makes � . . -� 110 feet from the inter- the entrance too close� . _._._� � Planning Commission Meeting - June 13, 1968 Page 8. � - • to the intersection which we strongly discourage because of the stop sign � and traffic. . He continued that when this complex was originally approved, there was a covered building shown for recreational purposes. That has not been provided. (Mr. Solverson said it could be provided in the basement of the complex.) There has been comments made that the area north of the creek was not originally figured in the apartment complex and was a mistake. You could cut down the total complex to the amount which the land on south of creek would bear. (Mr. Solverson said it becomes unfeasible to put in a swi�ing pool in a sma.11 development.) Mr. Qureshi added that the City has rezoned it up to a better land use. There are complexes which have swi�ing pools and much less units. Because traffic is quite important in this area, we would like the entrance moved north on Ruth Street. The idea is you have to provide for enough storage of cars at the intersection. Liberty is a more heavily travelled street. . You are moving the buildi.ngs closer to the road than these were before. The complex has been lengthened,and is closer to residential area and streets. (Mr. Solverson said they have Icept to all the setback requirements.) The City Engineer commented that it would be quite expensive to�build garages in.there, nobody disputes that, but it was approved in the complex. � Mr. Myhra said that it seemed to him it would be advisab�le to have a couple of weeks to go over this request. The Commission spent almost a year before they approved the original plan and it seemed they should have time to go over this. He would like to bring it back i.n a couple of weeks. (The members, in answer to his request, were given copies of the proposed plan for their individual study.) Mr. Hughes said there is an open item on the road situation which might be well to discuss between the petitioner and Engineering Department. Mr. Qureshi asked Mr. Dumphy to give the City a letter explaining the situation regarding-the original request being in the name of Mr. Schroeder and the . engaging of another architect. • MOTION by Erickso�.•, seconded by Jensen, that the Planning Commission place the discussion of the Review Change in Planned Development (ZOA ��66-16) Harold Schxoeder by Camco, Inc. on the June 27, 1968 Agenda, and that the. metnbers of the Commission be given copies of the proposal so that they can study it. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 10. D. J. LOFTSGAARDEN: DISCUSSION THERRES FARM FRONTING i1NIVERSITY AVENUE AND NORTH EDGE OF CITY• Mr. Loftsgaarden stated he represented the Walter Therres family who have owned the 116 acres for about fifteen years. The land is zoned industrial, �� and because it is in a low area, there are water table problems. The area he spoke abQUt-tliis evening is pretty isolated from the rest of the property because of the swamp. He asked the opinion of the Coirnnission on putting mobile homes there. a � . . . � _ .s....- Planning Co�►ission Meetin� - June 13, 1968 Page 9 • n He was informed the City was aware of the problems there, but that they would be solved in time when the abutting area would be developed. Mr. Jensen explained to Mr. Loftsgaarden that the Commission could not give him much of an expression on the plan until an application were filled out and the request go through regular channels. It was felt there would be tremendous public opposition building residential and industrial together. There was no action taken. 11. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S, ��68-10, THOMAS E. MARXEN: South 138 feet of the North 306 feet of Lot 5, Auditor's Subdivision �108. Mr. Ma.rxen was not present. No action. 12. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEAltING, REZONtNG REQUEST. ZOA ��68-09, LARRY FERGUSON: Lots 1 and 2, Block 3, Gunderson Terrace. Rezone from R-1 to R-3. (See_pages 1 and 2) � . Mr. Ferguson entered at 8:30 P.M. Due to an error, he received a public hearing notice with the wrong time and therefore he was not heard by the Planning Commission. MOTION by Erickson, seconded by Myhra, that the Planning�Com¢nission inform the Council that due to an error, Mr. Ferguson received a public n hearing notice with the incorrect ti.me of the hearing and therefore, he was not heard by the Planning Commission, and further, that the Commission recommends to the Couneil that in considering the reco�nendation for the denial, that the Council take this fact into consideration. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani.mously. . �� 13. PLANNER FOR HYDE PARK AREA: The City Engineer explained that the Council authorized hiring a con- sultant for �his area, and a letter has been received from Nason, Wehrman, Rnight and Chapman, inc. The Chairman read the letter from the consulting firm. Mr. Jensen said the time table should be verified. MOTION by Myhra, seconded by Ylinen, that the Planning Counnission request the firm of Nason, Wehrma.n, Knight and Chapma.n, Incorporated to go ahead with a Contract and that when it is received, the City Attomey check it. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADJOURNMENT• There being no further business, the Chairma.n adjourned the meeting at 11:55 P.M. � � Respectfully submitted, .. � , `;�� (��,.e�a-v�-- • Haz' 0'Brian . Recording Secretary . a