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PL 05/20/1970 - 31071u 0 � \ PLANNING COP�fISSION MEETING MAY 20, 1970 PAGE 1 The meeting was called to order at 8:05 P.M. by Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick. ROLL CALL• Members Present: Schmedeke, Minish, Fitzpatrick, Harris Member Absent: Erickson Othera Present: Darrel Clark, Engineering Assistant ORDER OF AGENDA: Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick said the agenda would be taken in the order in which it was prepared. APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MtNUTES: MAY 6, 1970 Mr. Harris called attention to the omission of asking Paul Brown, Director of Parks and Recreation, to attend a Planning Commission meeting to give the members information on using evergreens for screenings around buildings, and the typea of evergreens which would grow best in Fridley. The Commission decided to make this a separate item at the end of the evening. � MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Minish, that the Planning Commission aunutes of May 6, 1970 be approved. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PLATS & SUBbIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: MAY 6, 1970. MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commission receive the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee minutes of May 6, 1970. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES:�� MAY 12, 1970 MOTION by Minish, seconded by Sclunedeke. that the Planning Commission receive the Board of Appeals minutes of May 12, 1970. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECET9F PARRS & RECREATION CO1rIl�IISSION MINUTES: APRIL 27, 1970 MOTION by Minish, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Corr�ission receive the minutes of the Parks � Recreation Commission meeting of Apri1 27, 1970. Upon a voice vote, a1.Z voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: 5ALE5, INC. (GLENN W. MISCHKE): To permit retail sales of ca�ers, trailers, � motorhomes, recreational equipment in a C-2S DistYict (general shopping areas) to be located on Lots 1 and 5, Block 1, Herwal 2nd Addition. Sanning Commiasion Meeting - May 20, 1970 Page 2. � Mr. Glenn Miachke was present. The public hearing notice was read by Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick. Mr. Mischke e�eplained that at the present time, he has 175 feet of frontage, and proposes to use 125 feet. The complete area would be fenced and the lot blacktopped. The proposed building would be approximately 6,000 square feet, 3,000 s�nare feet would be used for the display area. Also, they were not talking of trailers and mobile homes -- it would be strictly recreational equipment. Se said the motor homes take an R license and can be driven on parkways. A portion of the site will be required for service, delivery and storage. The camping trailer home is the type that is pulled behind a passenger car. Perhaps in winter, he might have ski equipment. The building would be block and brick and closed in. James W. Gibson, 6289 Highway ��65 N.E.: He asked what type of building super- structure did Mr. Mischke plan on using. Mr. Mischke answered that it would be cement block with the same decor as in the area. He was agreeable to follow the same pattern facing the highway, b ut it would be too expensive to use it on the back of the building. Mr. Gibson stated the basic complaint was the decor of the area would be changed substantially from what it had started out to be, which was a trend for an office park area and the type of busineas that the petitioner proposed, he felt would not lend itaelf to be in an office park type of area. Of course, he added,the argument comes along that you have the Sinclair gas station which is n an eyesore. His understanding is that, the people who own this filling station would, if the decor of the area is established, go along with the idea of tearing the filling station out and continue the decor. Dr. Kenneth E. Speltz, 6220 Highway ��65: He asked if Mr. Mischke had a set of the plans now. Mr. Mischke said he had plans of the building drawn, but not with him this evening. The shape of the building is in the form of a T being two 80'x40' structures connected. He was then asked by Dr. Speltz the kind of fencing he planned to have. Mr. Mischke replied that because of the problem of theft, he would have a 6' fence. Mra. Mary J. Savelkoul, 916 West Moore Lake Drive: She said she was speak- ing on behalf of herself, the residents and Maple Lane Bowlings Lanes. In the first place, she did not think it was the type of business to locate so near to homes. The petitioner does not think he will repair used units on the premises. How do we know what will come of it after this type is allowed. She felt the Planning Commission should consider what some of the nei�hbors would like. Mr. Mischke: He said he thought his place would be conducted as well as the ba�aling lane. He would use an iron fence which would be high enough and private enough so that you can't see through. He felt he could keep as orderly ae the places next door. The land was purchased six years ago. Mrs. Roae R. Jasper, 6279 Baker Avenue: She said that she would like to � know how far up to her home all of this would be. She spoke about used campers and also motor homes and trailers and asked if the motor home was one of the huge things that go in back of cars? Will there be a cost to them, as taxpayers, if he has to have a roacl. Planning Commission Meeting - May 20, 1970 Pa�e 3 � The Engineering Assistant called attention to the 40 foot planting strip. Mr. Mischke does not own that. The City could not te11 the people now whether or not there would have to be an assessment for storm sewer. The storm sewer assessment policy was explained. The Engineering Assistant said he was not aaying there has to be a storm sewer and he was not saying there won't be. There is an outlet which does go underneath West Moore Lake Drive which drains to Moore Lake. Mr. Mischke was asked if he would have all four walls the same or even have three walls the same. Mr. Mischke thought he could have three walls the same, and he would like to have the building close to the front of the lot. Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick said he felt the people should understand the drainage problem cannot be attributed to the petition because it is already there. Mr. Harris read the ordinance to the audience which referred to the Uses Allowed by Special Use Permit in a11 of the C categories, including C-2S which applied to this area. He also said the exterior materials have to be approved by the Building Standards-Design. Control Subcommnittee along with the screening. The City does have quite a bit of control over building requests. The planting strip was discussed. Some of the people in the area use it for gardening, others just take care of the portion adjacent to their property, but no one seemed to know who really was responsible. It seems this strip � has been there since 1956. MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Minish, that the Planning Cormnission close the public hearing of the Special Use Permit request, SP #70-Oa, by Recreation Equipment Sales, Inc., Glenn W. Mischke, to permit retail of campers, trailers, motor homes, recreata.onal equipment in a C-2S District to be located on Lots 1 and 5, BZock 1, Herwal 2nd Addition. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the mo�ion carried unanimously. , The Engineering Assistant explained that there is an easement running North and South between Lots 1 and 5, and has a sanitary sewer in it, and any structure built on the 2nd lot would have to avoid this easement area. Mr. Gibson asked about the setback, which is 80 feet, but Mr. Mischke could go to the Board of Appeals to get a variance. Mr. flarris wondered if the planting strip would not be a good place to put evergreens. Mr. Schmedeke said that he thought Mr. Mischke should put up a fence, because the evergreens would be too small now to be used as a screening, but by the time the fence begina to look worn, the trees would be large enough for a screening. He hoped to meet with Paul Brown, Director of Parks and Recreation to see what kind of evergreen could be used. Mrs. Savelkoul stated that if the Plsnning Commission approve this request, they won't be thinking abou� protecting the neighbors at all. Mrs. Jasper wondered if there would be a lot of noiae when people, who ^ were buying the equipment, would be trying them out. Mr. Mischke said it would be �a m�re noisy than cars starting up. Plaanin,p� Commission Meeting - May 20, 1970 Page 4 ^' Darrel Clark said the requirement of �he Code for planting does provide for a 20 foot green area between the parking lot and the street. Mr. Minish said they were dealing with a rather difficult piece of property with Hwy. �65 to the East and residential to the West. When the veterinary clinic and the mortuary were brought before the Board of Appeals, he did not recall any strong objections from the neighbors on Baker Street. flowever, he did feel that the proposed petition was not consistent with the type of existing atructurea. Hia feeling would be to recommend against the �pecial use permit as he thought the ma�or ob�ection of the neighbors was the open storage. Mr. Schmedeke stated that the lot is quite narrow, and it was not the proper width under the new ordinance, but there was enough square footage. Mr. Mischke said if he were to move the fence in another 20 feet, it would be 60 feet from the property line of the residential area. He was not againat doing that, but it would be hard to maintain. MOTION by Minish, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commission recoaunend denial to the Council of the,Special Use Permit request, SP #70-02, by Recreation Equipment Sales, Inc., Glenn W. Mischke, to permit retail sales of campers, trailers, motor homes, recreational equip�nt in a C-2S District to be Iocated on Lots 1 and 5, Block 1, Herwal 2nd Addition. Upon a voice vote, Minish voting aye, Harris and Schmedeke voting nay, the MOTION FAILED. , ^ Mr. Harris felt the Petitioner should bring in his plana before the Planning Commission should make a decision. He added a pencil sketch showing t�e placing of the structure, landscaping, storage and display areas would be adet�,uate. MOTION by Xarris, seconded by 5chmedeke, that the Planning Coarmission continue until the next reqular meeting (June 3, 1970) the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #70-02, by Recreation Equipment Sales, Inc. to permit retail sales of recrea- tional equipment in a C-2S District to be Iocated on Lots 1 and 5, Block 1, Herwal 2nd Addition, and at that time the petitioner will present a sketch or plot p1an. Upon a voice vote, a11 votinq aye, except Minish who voted nay, the motion carried. Mr. Minish asked that the minutes show he was opposed to open storage. The audieace were informed there would not be another public hearing before the Planning Coanniasion and therefore they would not receive a notice for t'he June 3rd meeting. 2. . LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. ��70-06, GEORGE L. WALQUIST: Lot 6 and S� of Lot 7, Block 1, Erco's lst Addition. Site for dental clinic. Mr. Walquist was present. The Engineering Assistant stated that the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subco�i.ttee recommend approval of the lot split. The Council had �'� approved the variance. The Subcommittee, referring to the N'� of Lot 7 being tied in with Lot 8, and uader one ownership, would help solve the problem of an under- sized lot under the preaent zoning ordinance, and platted long before the present � ,� � Planning Commission Meetin� - May 20, 1970 Page 5 ordinance. The Subco�ittee had no objections to the proposed building. Mr. Walquist was asked if he had plana for the N� of Lot 7 and all of Lot 8. He said nothing was developed yet, but he would try to put an office type of building in there. . Referring to the suggestion of legally binding N� of Lot 7 to Lot 8, Dar�cel Clark said it would be difficult to do, as, if someone wanted to purchase Lot 8, you would have a hard time to deny it. flowever, it should be mentioned in the minutes. Mr. Minish suggested that perhapa covenanta on Lot 8 to tie it together with the N'� of Lot 7, could be drawn. Or the Couoma3.ssion could approve the lot split subject to the petitioner presentin� some sort of document which would tie the N'� of Lot 7 with Lot 8 and could request him to have hia attorney draw up these papers. MOTIDN by Minisb, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commission recom- mend approval to the Counc3l of the Lot 5plit request, L.5. �ii0-06, by George L. Walquist of the 53� of Lot 7, B1ock 1, Erco's lst Addition subject to the owner preparing a covenant or other recordable document that would tie the North Na1f of Lot 7 to Lot 8 so that a good marketable title to Lot 8 could not be conveyed without tying in the North Half of Lot 7. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 3. CO1�Il�'IfJNICATION FROM CITY ATTORNEY TO CITY MANAGER: The letter of Maq 18, 1970 from Leonard T. Juster, City Attorney, to the City Manager regarding the letter of Oliver Erickson of April 17, 19i0 concern- ing variances, was passed on to Oliver Erickson, Chairman of the Planning Com- miesion. No action. 4. PLANTING OF EVERGREEDTS IN FRIDLEY: CONSULT YAUL BROWN, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION: MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Aarris, that the Planning Commission ask the Director of Parks and Recreation to come before the Planning Commission with a recoa�aendation of the species of evergreens and a list of the trees and shrubs that wi11 do well in Fridley soil and suggest types for screening between com- acercial and residentisZ areas. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. SCHEDULE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS: Acting Chairman Fitzpatrick stated he would be gone part of this sumnner. The Connnission talked about a summer schedule and decided they would let ,..1 the requests and petitiona be the deciding factor when they would meet using their regular days. The members present expressed a preference for meeting at 8:00 o'clock. However, if the Subcommittee did not meet at 7:00 o'clock on the same evening, they would go back to 7:30 P.M. Sanning Commisaion Meeting - May 20, 1970 Pat�e 6 �"� ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Coa¢aission meeting of May 20, 1970 be adjourned at 10:10 P.M. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the �otion carried. 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