PL 10/20/1971 - 30205�
. �,- PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 20, 1971
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The meeting was called to order by Chairman Erickson at 8:00 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present:
Membera Absent:
Others Present:
Minieh, Zeglen, Erickson, Fitzpatrick, Schmedeke.
None
Darrel Clark, Engineering Aasistant
APPROVE PLANNING CONIl�ISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 6. 1971
MOTION by Schmedeke, seconded by Minish, that the Planning Comm:ission
Minutes of October 6, 1971 be approved. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOIrIl�IITTEE MINUTES: OCTOBER 7, 1971
MOTION by Zeglen, seconded by Schmedeke, that the Planning Commission receive
the minutes of the Building Standards-Design Control Subco�►ittee meeting of
October 7, 1971. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the m�tion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MIANTES: OCTOBEx 12, 1971
,i"'� MOTION by Minish, seconded by Fitapatrick, that the Planning Co�niss3on
receive the minutes of the Board of Appeals meeting of October 12, 1971. Upon
a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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RECEIVE PARRS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: SEPTEMBER 27, 1971
MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Co�ission
receive the au.nutes of the Parks 6 Recreation Comm.ission meeting of September 27,
1971. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unani�usly.
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TO MECHANICSVILLE: Rezone from R-3 to C-2 (general
Darrel Clark said that the City Administration added
p�roperty at 53rd Avenue and University to the request and
advertised at the same time.
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the Staadard Oil
asked that it be
M�OTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that th� Planning Con�ission
ca�nfirm the public hearing date of November 3, 1971 for the rezoning request,
ZOA 1i71-08, by General Realty for Lots 16 through 22, Blxk 13, 8amilton's
Addition to MechanicsvilZe to be rezoned from R-3 to C-2 (general business areas).
Upon a voice vote, a1� voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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,r.1-��, a� l�l.71L�, ra,n,.L� nur�5� 1N(:.: To rezone the Westerly 600 feet of
the Northerly 750 feet of the NFr� of the N[$� of Section 12 from M-1 (light
industrial areas) to C-2S (general ahopping areas).
Darrel Clark explained that this item includes the Frostop Drive In on
Osborne Avenue and Highway �`65. The owner is not one of the petitioners. His
land will be included in the publication.
MOTION by Fitapatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Co�nission
confirm the pubZic hearing date of November 3, 1971 for the rezoning request,
ZOA #7Z-09, by Cast.Ie Mobile Homes, Inc., to rezone the Westerly 600 feet of the
NortherZy 750 feet of the NE� of the NW3Z of Section Z2, from M-1 (light industrial
areas) to C-2S (general shopping areas). Upon a voice vote, a1Z voting aye, the
motian carried unanimously.
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y�� u••���...4 ++e��� vr ivuvr,r��tc ,s, ty /1 • IiEQUEST FOR A SPECIAL
USE PERMIT, SP #71-14. CASTLE 1�OBILE HOA�S, INC.: For the location of
Mobile Home Sales on the Westerly 600 feet of the Southerly 320 feet of
the Northerly 750 feet of the NE� of the NT� of Section 12, per Section
45.101 - 3N of the Fridley City Code.
MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the Planning Corr�ission
confirm the public hearing date of November 3, 1971 for the special use permit,
SP #71-14., requested by Castle MobiZe Xomes, Inc., to locate a Mobile Homes
SaZes on the Westerly 600 feet of the Southerly 320 feet of the NortherZy 750
feet of the NE'� of the Nfd� of Section 12, per Section 45.101 - 3N of the Fridley
City Code. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanirreousZy.
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MOTION by Fitzpatrick, seconded by Zeglen, that the PZanning Commission
confirm the pnblic hearing date of November 3, 1971 for the propos�aT p1a��.fo�
�baBe�.I and II of the Townhouse area by Viewcon, Inc, being Outlot F Iocated
� mile East of Matterhorn Drive and a� mile North of I. N694. Upon a voice vote,
aZ1 voting aye, the �tion carried unaniaeously.
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Mr• Frank L. Reeae, Architect for the Project, aad Roger Larson, the
petitioner, were present.
Mr. Reese stated th�t nothing had been changed from the preliminary approval
sad he understood that now this meeting is for the matter of detail.
The final plans for the development were studied page by page, and Mr.
Reese ahowed a colored drawing of the townhouse apartment. The 28 units will
house 140 families. The homes will be in clusters of four. Theq are attempting
to provide individuality by the use of several stain colors and different types
of woods for the exterior. �o homes were designed with one color and the other
groups of two homes with different colors. They were not uaing fireplaces.
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There is a large a�ount of green area and the park area above the creek will be
� dedicated to the Citq. In addition tennis courts, familq barbecue area and play-
� ground area is provided. There will be a Tot Lot in �he middle of the playground.
with modern equipme�e. 1'°�aey were provi�i�� ffio�e than FHA asked for. .
Referring to grading, the South 2/3 of the property drains naturally into
the creek.
The landscapiag will be in terms of trees, shrubberq, sidewalk.s and curbs.
In front of each home there will be a tree aad ash trees were recommended for
the backyards. '1'hey will not introduce fences sa they prefer the natural and
open look of trees and buehes to break up the backyards.
Easementa are provided oa the West side of the property for future road--
�e road has been dedicated along the East side. Street lighting will be pro-
vided. They have tppical. plumbiag, electrical heating and ventilation plans
drawn within the units. Bide have been talcen and theq feel theq are within the
eatimates and could have the project going this fall. �
In answer to Mr. Fitzpatrick's queation of why there were no windows in
the ead walls oa the second floor, Mr. R�ae said that, basicallq, these units
have to be de�igaed to have most of the wiadows ia the front and back. All the
ventilation aad light requirements are aet up ao that the windows in the front
and back meet the requirements. The lower wiadow shown on the drawing is in the
dining room. Upstafrs there has to be room for closets an� bathroom along the
side walls. There will be a full ba�ement, Mr. Ree�e. continued, and partitioned
to bre�e up utili.ty �d �torage sp�ce. It will be uafinished -- no paneling or
^ painting. There will be nine detached garage buildings. They do not show a
concrete patio:as FHA frowas upon it. Tlse three bedroom units will have 600 equare
feet for each floor. The windows are five feet high, 33 inches wide and the
bottom.of the window is 18" above the floor.
Mr. Zeglea eaid that when the request wae before the Building Staadards-
Desiga Control Subcommittee, the Subco�ittee felt chaagee should be made in the
windows.
Mr. Fitapatrick dida't think it would bother the people to have more windows
and he felt it would be more desirable.
Mr. Reese said it would cost about $100 per opening to add more windows.
If they hoped to change the effect of the ead of the wall, the best thing to do
would be to use different type� of wood rather than adding more windows.
Mr. Minish aeked haw manq structureo were in the Development. Mr. Reese
eaid there were 28 townhouee units, 9 garage buildiags, and they were using 8
different staina.
Mr. Minish thought, that becau�e ti�ey were dealing r�ith a spec�.al �%r�e of
property, a�el hame would help ia under•standing h�w the whole concept would
look. �
Mr. iteese said thep liadn't buiit a�del, .although o� af ttieir c�ace�u�
� �se ho� the garage axea would reiate to tbe homes around �.t.
Mr. Zeglen read the miautee of the Building Standarda-Deeign Control Sub-
committee meeting of Auguat 5, 1971.for review.
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Com�ent waa made that there would be small lights at each front door which
will serve a functional purpose ae well as decorative. The street lights would
�� f be 150 Watt Mercury Vapor and installed on 20 foot poles.
Chairman Erickson said that he could aot accept aome of the architecture
that is really odd. This plan is basic architecture, but with very little
interest -- he did aot �aow what the anewer waa.
Mr. Reeae esplaiaed that FH�► i� using the eame type of cost ae they did six
years ago. Building costs have risen, and they have to try to build within that
price.
Chairman Erick�on eaid he wasn't criticizing the deaiga as they were doing
the best they could under FBA, but he wondered if they couldn't do better. Se
asked if the reatal-goal was medium or low income. Mr. Roger Lareon said they
would not call it low iacome. They would be asking about $270 per month.
Chairmsn Erickaon �aid in that reatal range, he did not feel the units
looked it. The Coaiasica.recognfzes these uaits are large aad spacious. It is
a tr�mendous la�out and deeerves something iadividual. fle believed a much better
job could he dane. The general layout is fine, and he was not knocking the low
cost wnita.
The commen�t was made that the etructures looked like barracks.
Mr. Zeglen �aid the reat of the plans are good.
� Mr. Schmedeke said the location was ideal for thie type of development.
` However, the esteriors ehould be dressed up, perhape block or stone. There
should be at least one more window on the end wall.
Chairmaa Erickaoa eaid the bigger objection is the blank wall, but he wae
not prepared to-eay whether or not a window ar brick was the answer.
Mr. Miaish said that the real feeliag rel�ted to the total deaign �;.-when
you visualize 28-of these uaits scattered around, the.result would be a lot of _
s�eness. A better deaign would give improvement to the area as it is a
desirable large tract of land.
MOTION by Mi.n:ish, seconded by Schmedelse, that the Planning Co�iss3on table
until Novem�ber 3, 1971 the Fiz�al Review of the Townhou,se Development by Roger
Larson of the North 813 feet of the East 3/4 of the Northeast Quartez of the
Northeast Quarter of Section 13. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
Chairman Erickaon repeated that there wae general approval of the proposal.
ADJOURNI�TT :
Chairman Erickson adjourned the Planning Commiesion meeting at 9:45 P.M.
there being no further business.
�.,, Sespectfully submitted
Hazel 0'B=ian
Recordin� Se��etsry