PL 11/21/1973 - 7471f�
A G E N D A
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
CALL TO ORDERy
NOVEMBER 21, 1973
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 7,
1973
RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE
MINUTES: NOVEDIEER 8. 1973
RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: NOVEMBER 13, 1973
RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES
SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: NOVEMBER 14, 1973
8:00 P.M.
PAGES '
1 - 14
15 - 22
23 - 31
32 - 38
� l, VAC�TION REQUEST: SAV #73-11, BY ALLAN ZEIS: Vacate 39 - 41
- Vacate Hic ory Street etween, B ock an , Onaway
Addition between 78th and 79th Avenues N.E., and
vacate the alley adjacent to and West of Block 4, �
Onaway Addition, to allow construction of two
speculative warehouses.
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2. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED PRELIM-
INARY PLAT, P.S. #73-09,. BY `I'HE �nTALL CORPORA�'ZON:
eing a replat of the East Half of the Northwest
Quarter of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14,
T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minne-
sota; with exceptions. (Riedel property). �
42 - 52
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 7, 1973
CALL TO ORDER:
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Chairman Fitzpatrick called the meeting to order at 8:05 P,M.
� ROLL CALL:
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Members Present: Fitzpatrick, Drigans, Lindblad, Harris,
•Blair
Members Absent: None
Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Adm.
Jerrold Boardman,.Planning Assistant
Kirk English, Department of Natural Resources
James Haner, HUD, Federal Government National
Flood Insurance Program
Paul Brown, Parks & Recreation Director
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 17, 1973
� MOTION by Drigans, seconded by B1air, that the Planning
Commission approve the minutes of the meetinq of October 17,
1973 as written. Upo.n a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion
. carried unanimously.
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RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES:
OCTOBER 18, 1973
MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Harris, that the Planning
Commission receive the minutes of the Building Standards-Design
Control Subcommittee meeting of October 18, 1973. Upon a voice
vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE BOARD OF APPEALS MINUTES: OCTOBER 9, 1973
MOTION by Drigans, seconded by B1air, that the Planning
Commission receive the minut.es of the Board of Appeals meeting
of October 9, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE�BOARD OF APPEALS MINUT�S: OCTOBER 23, 1973 '
Motion by BZair, seconded by Drigans, that the Planninq
Commission receive the minutes of the Board of Appeals meeting
of October 23, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE
MINUTES: OCTOBER 24, 1973
MOTION by Harris, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning
Commission receive the minutes of the Plats & Subdivisions-Str�ets
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� & Utilities meeting of October 24, 1973. Upon a voice vote,
a11 vating aye, the motion carried unanimously.
RECEIVE PARKS AND RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 29, 1973
MOTION by Blair, seconded by Drigans, that the Planning
Commission receive the minutes of the Parks & Recreation Commission
meeting of October 29, 1973. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
M�. Drigans requested that a fourth item be placed on the �
agenda. Due to President Nixon's speech this evening (November 7th}
he wanted a discussion of the energy crisis.
1. PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED REGISTERED
LAND SURVEY, P.S. #73-08, BY HARLAND BERRY: Described as
� b�ing-180 foot lot extensions into Locke Lake, (part of
Lot 3, Revised, Auditor's Subdivision No. 23) of Lots 2-6,
Block 1, Ostman's lst Addition; Lot 4, Ostman's 2nd Addition;
and Tracts A& B, Registered Land Survey No. 20, generally
located along the West and North shores of Locke Lake.
Mr. Harland Berry was present.
MOTION by Blair, seconded by Harris, that the Planning
^ Commission waive the reading of the Public Hearing notice for
a proposed Registered Land Survey, P.S. #73-08, by Harland Berry.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Clark said one of the stipulatio.ns of the Plats & Sub-
divisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee was for the staff to
check with the County to see if the lots that are being platted
in the lake could be combined wit� the lots on�dry land, so
they could be one lot. On a Registered Land�Survey, the property
has to be under one ownership so this can't be done, since the
dry land property is owned by numerous people and the lake
bottom by a separate person.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said land should not be platted with no
access: �
Mr. Clark said this was also covered at this same meeting,
in that if the first stipulation wasn't possible, then a legal
document should be drawn up for an agreement that the two parcels
that will be under one ownership, cannot be separated, without �
City approval.
Mr. Harland Berry said that what had caused this problem
was that the lake wasn't in at the time those lots were platted.
^ When the lake was made,, some of the property lot liries didn't
reach to the lake shore.
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� Mr. Harris said the ownership of the lake bottom was
something of a problem. Mr. Fitzpatrick said there has been
agreement to deed the remaining portion of the lake bottom to
the C=.ty. Mr. Harris said what if, at some future date, and
after the City could have ownership of the remaining lake
bottom, it was decided the lake should be dredged. Could
the City dredge the part of the lake bed that was under _priv�te
ownership?
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Mr. Clark said the portion below the tressle is where the
largest siltation occurs. Mr. Harris said if the City does obtain
ownership of the remaining lake bottom, there chould be some
type of agreement or easement given by the owners of the lake
bottom to the City so if an�• work had to be done, the City
would have the right to control the entire lake bed. Mr. Clark
sabd there can't be any easements shown on a Registered Land �
Survey, but probably some other type of agreement could be
worked out. Mr. Berry said there are a lot of covenants covering
this pro�erty at the present time.
Mr. Clark said he didn't know �f the grivate owners of the
lake bed would object to the City maintaining the entire lake
bottom. Mr. Clark said the State has control of public waters,
so the private owners couldn't dred�e the lake either, without
:pe�a.���s.on from the State.
Mr. Clark asked Mr. Kirk English, Department of Natural
Resources, for an opinion. Mr. English said that public waters
are defined as any body of water that has a beneficial public
use. This would be such as recreational use, for use as a flood
basis, use for wild life habitat, etc. Public waters are considered
to be up to the elevation of the natural ordinanary high�water mark
and most clearly defined as wherethe aquatic vegetation meets the
terrestrial vegetation. It is• also defined as being from the
natural high water mark to the natural low water mark, but this
is hard to determine. Chairman Fitzpatrick said the lake bed
in question is a privately owned lake and was man made. Mr.
English said he wasn't that familiar with the determination of
a lake of this type. Mr. Clark gave Mr. English a copy of the
proposed Registered Land Survey to take with him, and Mr. English
said he would check into this matter and give the information to
Mr. Clark. �
.Mr. Harris said if the City was going to have jurisdiction
over the lake bottom, there would have to be some type of agree-
ment reached with the private owners, so that.one or more owners
couldn't stop this maintenance.
Mr. Lindblad asked if this could be considered a public lake.
Mr. Clark said there was public access to the lake.
Mr. Clark said Mr. Ostman has deeded these extentions to the
property owners, but because this is torrens property, the Register
of Title wouldn't accept the deeds until this proposed Registered
La�nd Survey is recorded. Mr. Clark said this R.L.S. will have
8�racks, A through H, which would then be deeded by Mr. Ostman
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^ t0 the eight property owners, and ther� should be an agreement
with thE: deed that these tracks would not be separated fram the
lots on dry land without approval by the City.
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Mr. Fitzpatrick said that in the mean time, we are still
platting lots that aren't accessible. Mr. Clark said that he
would think that before the City Council would approve the final
plat, these �:greements would have to be signed. These would have
to be made up by the City Attorney.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Berry at what point Mr. Ostman would
be willing to deed the remainder of the lake to the City. Mr.
Berry said at any time the deed can be drawn up. Mr. Berry said
there wouldn't be ar:y money changing hands except for tax purposes.
Mr. Clark said it would be up to the City Council to make
the decision on whether the City wanted to acquire the remaining
lake ��ottom. There were pros and cons to this proposal.
Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if the City might be reluctant because •
.they�would be respcnsible for maintaining the lake level. Mr.
Clark said they already have control of the lake level. There
is the po,�:�iblity that the propE�z-ty owners around the lake could
petition the City to improve the lake with no cost to them, because
this was a public 1ake. Mr. Clark�said that ordinarily the
affected property owners would be assessed for part of the cost,
the same as on a street. If the cost of maintaining this lake
had to come out of the General Fund, then the year that the
lake was improved, there wouldn't ba money left in the General
Fund for much else.
Mr. Drigans asked about the other lots around the lake.
Clark said most of the other lots go to the edge of the lake.
Mr. Drigans asked what would happen if the shore line changed.
Clark said there wasn't much fluctuation in this lake, because
it is controlled by a dam. Mr. Harris said that if the City
didn't obtain the remainder of the lake bottom, it should own
the part where the dam was locatec'_.
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Mr. Drigans asked what would happen if the dam went out and
this k-ent back to being a creek. Mr. Clark said the property
would belong to Mr. Ostman and Mr. Scherer. This is one of the
reasons it would be better for the City to have title of the
remaining lake bottom. Mr. Clark said he beiieved the part of
the lake owned by D. L. Scherer has gone tax forfeit.
Mr. Lindblad asked why the deeds couldn't be made out for
the property just to the water's edge. Mr. Clark said a Registered
Land Survey is just done on paper and is quite inexpensive. To
plat this to the lake shore would require a lot of survey work
and would make: the cost so prohibitive, that it probably wouldn't
be done.
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Mr. Frank Nebel, 6961 Hickory Circle, N.E., President of
/1 the Locke Lake Homeowners Association, said he owns 150 feet
of lake bottom w�.th his property. He said the City has designa-
ted this area for snowmobiling. They will be snowmobiling on
this portion of the lake also, and he wondered about his liability.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said this is one of the problems we have
be€ore us on this plat. If the remaining portion of the lake
bed becomes City property, then this would be a public lake,
but how this would affect the pri�ate ownership of part of the
lake bottom, is our concern. Mr. Nebel said that part of the
lake bottom that he owns is land part of the time.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Berry if the City accepted the remainder
of the lake, would ther� be any objection to giving the City
as easement on the privately owned portion of the lake. Mr.
Berry said, if this was possible, he was sure Mr. Ostman would
sign such an agreement.
Mr. Linblad asked if the City acquired the remaining lake
bottom, if the entire cost would have to be borne by the City for
maintaining it. � �
Mr. Clark said if a Public Hearing was held for the necessary
maintenance of the lake, the property owners benefiting from this
� maintenance could be assessed for part of the cost. This was done
when �he Loc:ke Lake dam was repaired.
Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if the administration had any recommenda-
tions on this reguest. Mr. Clark said it was felt that the owner-
ship of the bottom of Locke Lake�should be cleared up. It would
be better for the City to have ownership of the Lake bottom than
to have it stay in private ownership. If the Lake did go down,
the property owners would be faced with having no control of the
property adjacent to their lots. The administration doesn't feel
th�:t this should be maintained from the General Fund.
MOTIGN by Harris, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning
Commission close the Public Hearing on the propased Registered
Land Survey, P.S. #73-08, by Harland Berry. Upon a voice vote,
alI votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Harris said as long as the first stipulation of the Plats
& Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee could not be done,
he would not include that in his motion. �
MOTION by Harris, seconded'by Lindblad, that the PZanning
Commisszon recommend to Council approval of the proposed Registered
Land Survey, P.S. #73-08, by Harland Berry, described as being 180
foot long extensions into Locke Lake (Part of Lot 3, Revised Auditor's
� • Subdivision No. 23} of Lots 2-6, Block 1, Ostman's First Addition,
Lot 4, Ostman's Second Addition, and Tracts A� B, Registered Land
Survey No. 20, generally Iocated along the West and North shores of
Locke Lake, with the following stipulations:
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^ (1) A legal decument should be filed with the property
that the parcel pairs cannot be separated.
(2) The City investigate the possib2ity of obtaining
a deed to the remaining lake bottom property.
(3) If the Citg does obtain the remaining lake bottom,
that they investigate the possibility of abtaining
an easement or agreement to permit maintenance and
work on the lake bed that is under private ownership.
Upon a voice vote, aZ1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
2. CONTINUED: ARMORY PROPOSAL: PRESENTATION BY GENERAL
CHEESEMAN �
W. H. Cheeseman, Deputy Adjutant General of the State
of Minnesota, was present to make the presentation.
� General Cheeseman said he was here t� clariEy and to
� � acquaint the new members of the Planning Commission with the
armory proposal for Fridley, and to answer any questions the
Commission might have on this proposal, and what we hope to
accomplish.
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General Cheeseman said he was proposing to the Commission
that they consider favorably the establishment of a National
' Guard Armory in Fridley. There are various reasons for the
National Guard to desire tl�is. He said 15 villages and cities
have been contacted with this same proposal. At the present
time we have 15 units in one location, the Minneapolis Armory.
We want to move with the times and establish armories in five
locations in the first and second ring suburbs so we can go with
the population. We wish to establish these five armories from
• Bloomington to New Brighton, over a five to ten year period.
These five armories will each have one guard unit.
What the National Guard is for those who do not know, is
a military force that is the oldest volul�tary unit. It was
started 300 years before the Declaration of Independence. In
fact, it is mentioned six times in the Declaration of Independence.
It is an effective means of our democracy where we depend upon
our citizen soldier for the primar� force of our military forces.
The National Guard comprises the primary combat organization of the
reserve of the United States Army and Air Force.
Minnesota has approximately 1Q,000 National Guards in 97
units located in 67 communities. We have had units in Minnesota
since before our State Constitution. So, we are not a new
/� organization and we will be here long after everyone here is gone.
What we are trying to do is program five communities for
a National Guard unit and armory. When we decide and agree on
the City where an armory will be located, we can then set up
priorities and a program, for variousyears• Whatever area is
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decided upon, we will start building up a unit from that area
and the officer personne:l would come from that area.
In our first pr.oposal_we had a requirement of�five acres.
This was not very real.istic because not too many communities
have that large an area le�t.and the days of 'squad right and
squad left' are over too, as far as outside drilling. We only
need less than 3 acres to construct ou� building, provide parking
for the building and for military vehicles, and provide room
for landscaping.
Tfie armory itself is built by the Minnesota State Armory -
Commission. State laws provide for the building, establishing
the bonds and the retiring of the bonds. It cost approximately
a half million dollars to constru�tan armory. Of this, the
Federal Government pays 75%. Of the remaining costs, the State
pays 40% and the local government pays 60%. Any additions to
the building that could be used by the National Guard would
be paid for on the same ration between state and local gov�rnment.
The type of armories that are being put up at the present time
cost the State and local government about $150,000. At present
the legislature allows us about $4,040 a year to pay on the
retirement of bonds. .
When you do not have a National Guard unit in your City,
it is hard to picture this as a civic organizatian. This would
� be the Fridley Armory, and it would have various uses for the
community. It has a regulation size basketball court. There
is an assembly area of 7,000 square feet. There are cooking
facilities. It provides a civic building in the City that can
be used by the City and also can be rented out for variousfunctions
by the Chamber of Commerce, the V.F.W. and other such groups.
The State pays for the upkeep and maintenance of the building,
but there are certain charges that have to be made for the rental
of the building. These charges are minimal because we are not
a profit making organization. It costs the State about $8,000
� to $12,000 a year to maintain an armory. For civic use, there is
no fee, for such things as a location for voting, a City meeting,
blood bank, and there is no charge to the Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts.
We do have two employees who are in the building every day.
The Guard Unit comes in two days a month. We prefer to have the
building used by the community.
Mr. Bl�ir asked General Cheeseman if he had looked into
any locations in Fridley. �eneral Cheeseman said he had looked
at two sites and they were both favorable, but they preferred
the site by the Ice Arena. The Arena could use the armory parking
lot for overflow parking. �
General Cheeseman said it would all depend upon the uses the
/"`� community would like to make of the armory to determine how much
it will ultimately cost. Some communities want a larger armory.
They want room for more recreational facilities, or a youth room.
We do have an area for a firing range. This can be used for the
Firearm Safety Proqram, and we provide the instructors. If the
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firing range was going to be used by the Police Department, the
wall would have to be re-enforced and that would be the cost
of the City.
Mr. Fitzpatrick asked what the communities share of the
cost would be on a basic armory built at the present time.
Genera.l Cheeseman said it would be about $90,000.
Chairman Fitzpatrick asked if this proposal was going
favorably in any other communities. General Cheeseman said it
was about the same in most of the communities. He has been
asked to come back, similar to Fridley. When we are talking
about something so far in the future, five years minimum, we
are trying to find the communities that are interested in this
proposal so they will set aside the land for this purpose. The
City Council and Commission will change ir� five years, so we can't
pin them down to passing a resolution of intent.. If we can't
find the communities that are interested in this proposal and
will set aside the land in case they might have an armory, then
when we are r.eady to construCt the armory there won't be any
land available. We will then have to go out.further in the
suburbs, to the third ring, for instance. The big thing in
establishing a National Guard unit is the City's committment.
This is a patriotic organization of young men who give up their
time for the country with very little for it.
Mr. Clark asked what the National Guard wants from the City
at-. this time. General Cheeseman said it was a resolution of
intent•of• which he has a sample. He gave this to Mr. Clark.
This resolution states that the City considers the establishing
of an armory and National Guard unit favorably. There is nothing
binding as this is 5 to 7 years in the future. This will enable
us to start our planning. This is a twenty year plan with the
Federal government. We expect to construct an armory every other
year. It takes about three years to get this in the budget.
Mr. Clark asked General Cheesem.an how long they would expect
the City to hold the land. General Cheeseman said it would be
until they have chosen the five locations.
Mr. Fitzpatrick said the resolution would come at the City
Council level, if they so desired. The Planning Commission was
just a recommending body.
Mr. Clark said that if the City was going to set aside a
parcel of land, he thought they,should have some idea on how
long they would have to hold the land.
Chairman Fitzpatrick said we are not talking just about
buildir,g an armory, but the establishment of a National Guard
/"� � Unit in Fridley.
Mr. Drigans asked the general size of a National Guard unit.
General Cheeseman said it was about 140 men.
Mr. Lindblad asked what type unit this would be. Gene�`al
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Cheeseman said he thought it would be an artillery firing group.
Mr. Drigans asked General �heeseman if the $90,000 figure
for the communities cost wa's today's�prices or a future price.
General Cheeseman said this was the current figure.
Paul Brown said at a previous meeting with General Cheeseman,
Leon Madsen, from the Assessing Department, thought the City's
cost would be between $80,000 and $90,000. Mr. Drigans said
e�-idently this cost would be more in five years, or more.
Mr. Drigans asked General Cheeseman if he forsaw any change
in the National Guard in the next five years. General Cheeseman
answered, growth. Mr. Drigans asked about the training program.
General Cheeseman said they were in the regular army for six
months for basic training. Then they were worked back into
a National Guard unit as army reserve, and they continue their
training. The National Guard has both a Federal and State
respansibility which is unique. This unit can be used at any
government level, from National to iocal. The Guards have the
same Fquipment and organization as the regular army.
Mr. Lindblad asked General Cheeseman if the City would
� have any protection from this unit getting larger and having
an excess of military vehicles.General Cheeseman said the
unit would.be split if it got too large, and their extra vehicles
were stored at the New Brighton Arsenal.
Mr. Lindblad asked that if this armory was located in
Fridley, and we had free civic use, would surrounding communities
have free civic use. General Cheeseman said no. This would
be the Fridley Armory and any other community would have to pay
rental. '
Mr. Drigans asked who would have first choice to use the
armory if there was a conflict. General Cheeseman said there
was a regular duty man on the premises, and the use of the
building would be on a first come, first served, basis. He
said this was a problem they generally don't have but they
have never been in a situation where communities were so close
together.
-General CheFSeman said this was rented.by contract, so if this
was being used for a recreational use, for instance, at the same
time every week, that contract•would be honor�d every week. There
would also be a citizen's committee to work out any problems between
the Guard and the City.
Mr. Harris asked who would be responsible for City services.
�` General Cheeseman said the gover.nment would pay for sewer and water
and other services.
Chairman Fitzpatrick aske� if the armory would be staffed
on a daily basis. General Cheesemen said the Commanding Officer
and a custodian would be there during the day, arid the custodian
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�ould always be there when the building was in use.
Mr. Harris asked what security system they would have
for the vehicles. General Cheeseman said they would have
an alarm system and they would ask for a police check as
this is a civic building. General Cheeseman said the Federal
Government sets up the eudoor.s�becauselof the arms room,to have
alarm systems and tripl
Mr•. Paul Brown said he has already stated the uses the
Parks & Recreation Department and other uses that could be
made of an armory at the July 18, 1973 Planning Commission
meeting. The use:: mentioned are Community use, departmental
use, youth programs, assemblies, town meetingshefhadrmadenal
use, Federal use, and veteran use. He thougli�
his position quite clear in that there was a definite need
for additional facilities. Mr. Br�awn continued that it
seems to him that when the City has the acreage it could
set aside, and there was a need, the consideration would have
to be on how the City wou�.d finance it's share. Mr. Brown
said�he would like to have the Planning Commission give the
Council a firm recommendation on this proposal to really
explore the feasibility of having an armory in Fridley.
^ Mr. Harris asked if this was a cement floor in the armory.
General Cheeseman said it was. Mr. Harris asked if this was
satisfactory for basketball. General Cheeseman said it seemed
' to be working out fine. He said the armory has a regulation
basketball court but there wasn't room for bleachers, so this
would be for intermural sports.
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Mr. Harris asked if it would be possible to have indoor
tennis in this building. General Cheeseman said that would
be no problem.
Chairmar: Fitzpatrick said it has been pointed out earlier
that this also has dressing rooms arid showers.
Mr. Brown said he has a drawing of the basic plan for an
armory. He said he would see that the Planning Commission members;
received copies of this, which does show what is available.
General Cheeseman presented pictures of armories that have
been built Y�ecently in the State. ' .
Mr.. Lindblad said he couldn't accept that this would only
cost the City $90,000 because costs could change and as we are
far from saying what additional facilities we might want in this
armory, the cost could run considerably more. General Cheeseman
said there would be an agreement drawn up before the construction
began on the building, so th� City would know their exact costs.
MOTION
Commission
to a11ow mo
by Harris, seconded by Blair, that
continue the armory proposal to an
re input from other departments of
the Planning
indefinite date
the City.
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� Mr. Drigans asked the administration to prepare a letter
from the Planning Commission to the civic and service organizations
of Fridley, asking them if they would be interested in a Public
Hearing or a Public discussion on the armory proposal, or if they
would return back to us some type of correspondence on any usage
they would have for a National Guard facility. They could list
their pros and cons on this proposal and tell us of any needs that
could be filled with an armory located in Fridley.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
3. PUBLTC HEARING: CREEK AND RIVER PRE5ERVATION MANAGEMENT ORD.
Mr. Kirk English, Department of Natural Resources, and
Mr. James Hanes, from HUD, who works on the Federal Flood Program
in Minnesota and Wisconsin, were present.
MOTION BY DRIGANS, SECONDED by B1air, that the Planning
Commission waive the reading of the publ.ic Hearing notice.for
the Creek and River Preservation Man�gement Ordinance.' Upon a,
voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion car.�ied.unaimously.
Mr. Clark said there was a question when the Planning
^ Commission was reviewing this ordinance if there would be any
fluctuation in value of a home located in the CRP-2 zone before and
after the adoption of this ordinance. Would the home be easier
� or harder to sell.
Mr. Haner said the worst it could do would be to hold the
value stable and the value should go up because it was insurable.
Any property that is along a waterway should be in a preservation
district. This is one of the requirements of F.H.A. and the V.A.
now, and it should follow that this will become a requirement of
private lending agencies.
Mr. Blair said he'had always heard that flood insurance on a
hQme was expensive. Mr. Haner said that before: J_�?�g, t,z� only
place�you could get flood insurance was from Lloyds of London and
the rate was $6.95 per $100. When the subsidized flood insurance
program was passed by Congress in 1968, on homes costing $30,000
or less, the cost is $.25 per hundred, before the actuarial map
is e::tablished, and this represents about l00 of the premium.
90% of the premium is ::ubsidized ahd handled through 100
insurance ag�ncies in New York.
Mr. Hane� said on these homes of $30,000 or.vless, only
$17,500 can be insured under this subsidized�program at��the
present time. Contents can be insured up to $5,000 for $.35
� per $100. When the communities ge�heir actuarial maps, which
takes about three years, you will have the information and the
insurance company will be able to use this information to determine
the 100 year flood leyel, and with your local �opo��-dphiY map, they
will be able to measure the ground level of a structure against
the flood level, and actuarial rates can then be determined.
At that point, the property owner has the choice of the subsidized
Planning Commission Meeting - November 7, 1973 Page .12
�,,, rate or the actuarial rate and the amount that can be insured
will be doubled. Presently, there is a law in Congress to
increase the coverage rate on a single family home to $30,000
(subsidized). The amount of contents that can be insured will
go up and also the amount that can be insured by busin�sses.
Mr. Haner said at the present time the �omeowner will be
able to get subsidized insurance on $17,500 if his home cost
$30,000 or less. With the actuarial rates, it will depend
where his structure is located below or above the 100 year
flood level. If hisstruatur� was at a high enough elevation,
it could only cost $.05 per $100.
Mr. Clark asked how this insurance would pay. If you had
a house that cost more than $17,500 but you could only insure
it for that amount, and the flood caused $3,000 structural
damage, would they pay the $3,000. Mr. Haner said they would.
Mr. Harris said that with this ordinance, we are defining
the area where people can get flood insurance. He asked if this
was correct. Mr. Haner said that once this o.rdinance was in
effect, anyone within the corporate boundary of Fridley could
get flobd insurance.
Mr. Harris asked if yau lived in an area where there was
^ a drainage ditch and during an occasion of a heavy rain you
could have some damage, would this be covered by flood insurance.
Mr. Haner said it would. He said a flood was defined by any
unusal amount of water into an area that is usually dry, unless
the problem was caused by some action of the homeowner. It
even covers mud slides.
Mr. Haner said the; reason this legislation was passed was
because of the great drain on•the taxpayers t�rough the Disaster
Relief Fund. ThE: Congress said these people have to be helped
and if a community would agree to pass ordinances for proper
land management to reduce floods and flood damage, they would
be eligible for subsidized flood insurance.
Mr. Lindblad asked if after a community has this flood
insurance available to them, if thE:y would still be eligible
f.or Disaster Relief Funds. Mr. Haner said the community would�
not be eligible. Because of the present legislation, December
31, 1973 would be the cut off line for disaster relief and those
without insurance will'. find it more difficult.to receive flood
relief. Mr. Haner continued that last year there were 48 areas
designated as disaster areas and 46 of these were floods. It
cost the Disaster Relief Fund br taxpayers, between 9 and 10
billion dollars. •
r"� � Chairman Fitzpatrick said it would depend upon the State
program as to whether you were eligible for;Disaster Relief.
Mr. Haner said Minnesota has passed the l,eaislatioh and it
is such an easy program to get into at lit"tle cost so it is
good business for a community to get into'this flood insurance
program.
Planning Commission Meeting - November 7, 1973 Page 13
^ Mr. Blair asked the CRP-1 area and the CRP-2 area to r.e defined.l
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Mr. Boardman said that in a CRP-2 zone shown in red on
the map, buildings fcr occupation would be allowed if they
were filled to two feet above the 100 year flood level and if that
wasri!t feasible, then pratect the structure according to the
State Standards. Any construct�on would require a Special Use
Permit. In a CRP-1 zone, shown on blue on the map, this
allows use that is not for human habitation and has a low flood
potent�al damage, such as parking lots, tennis courts, or -
small park areas, that will not raise the flood cross section
level more than .5 feet.
Mr. Drigans said we did have a question on who had juris-
diction on appro"val Qf a Special��se Permit, where it says all
governing bodies have jurisdiction over such use or obstruction,
but in a memo from Jerry Boardman on October 31, 1973, it states
that Mr.,Boardman has talked to Jim Wright of the Department of
Natural Resources and he said the City of Fridley has sole
priority on the decisions within its.boundaries. Approval of
other bodies are not : necessary since these are merely
recommending to the City. There is a discrepancy here. Maybe
this secion should be rewritten. Mr. Boardman agreed that it
should be rewritten.
Mr. Clark said there are some lots in Riverview Heights
that are vacant and it is not feasible to fill them up
to two feet above the 100 year flood level, and yet the valuation af
hames in this area would make it economically unfeasible to
have expensive flood proofing of the structure.
Mr. English said they would either have to fill the property
or flood proof the structure. If the City made it a habit of
giving permission for variances and 5pecial Use Permits that
did not meet the State Standards, they would lose their eligibility
for subsidized flood insurance.
Mr. Clark said the Planning Commission should not feel guilty
if they have to turn down any such requests that don't meet the
State Standards.
Mr. Drigans said he didn't think the owners of the vacant
prope.rty are aware that this rodinance could make some of the
lots un�uildable. Mr. Clark said they would have the•option of
flaod proofing any structure they would want to build.
Mr. Clark said there was also a question raised that in
a real emergency situation, during flooding, and your property
was washing away, can the property owner take emergency action for
/1 fill to protect his property. Mr. English said that in these
circumstances, he was sure that any property owner would have the
right to protect his property, but after the emergency was over
he would need a Special Use Per.mit, to make permanent repairs to
his property.
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Mr. Harris asked about removing trees and vegetation
� from a river bank or along a waterway. Mr. English said there
were no restrictions on this. Mr. Harris said this would expose
the banks to erosion. Mr. English said this could be put in
the Fridley ordinance. It would exceed the State Standards, but
there's no reason the ordinance can't do that. Mr. Clark
said this could be added to the CRP-1 zone. Mr. Boardman said it
can be put in the preservation area of the ordinance.
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MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Blair, that the Planning
Commission close the Public Hearing on the Creek & River Prese'r-
vation Management Ordinance. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
MOTIDN by Drigans, seconded by Harris that the Planning
Commission recommend to the City Council �doption of the
Creek and River Preservation Ordinance, after the following
changes have been made:
(1) Add the preservation of existing trees and vegetation
t.o CRP-1 zone under section 5, subsection.B.
(2) Rewrite paragraph 8 on page 5 of the ordinance to
state that any Special Use Permit being considered
by the City is subject to the recommendation of a1I
other governing bodies.
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
4. DISCUSSION ON ENERGY CRISIS
Mr. Drigans said he had listened to President Nixon's
speech on television before t�e meeting this evening (November
and felt some action :hould be taken by the City of Fridley
�o help �o3��-the critical energy crisis. He said as long as
the Planni.ng Commission was an advisory board to the Council he
would like to ask the �ouncil to appoint a citizen's committee
study this problem.
In the discussion
Commission thouglit this
until Federal and State
that followed, other members of the
might be premature and wanted to wait
controls had been set.
Chairman Fitzpatrick adjourned the meeting at 11:50 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
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Dorothy Eve on, Secretary
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BUILDING STf'�NDARllS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOAAiITTEE TiEETING OF NOV�IBER 8, 1973
'I'he meeting was called to order by Chairman Lindblad at 8:05 p.m.
r4EMBERS PRGSENT: Lindblad, Tonco,
NiE(�1BERS ABSENT: Cariolano
OTHL'-RS PRESEN'T: Jerrold Boardman,
Treuenfels, Simoneau
Planning Assistant
b40TI0N by Treuenfels, seconded by Simoneau to approve the minutes of the
October 18, 1973 meeting as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
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. bir. Everett A. Slechta was present for the rec�uest. h1r. Slechta said the
building would be used as a multi-purpose building, and he was not sure of th�
type af renter he �aould have.
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Mr. Slechta has n�et with the City staff. and some changes were made on his
original plan. Iie arid b4r. Boardman went over these changes. 'I'he building site
will be moved five feet further north and the driveway moved 20 feet-west to
allow for additional green area off of Osborne Road. This will also keep any
tree and shrub planting off of the easement located along Osborne IZoad. �ir. Slechta
asked if it was alright to berm over the easement. A�r. Boardman said that �sir�ce
the front drive entrance is located ma.inly an easements we can allow some berming
on them, but away from the entrance they.will have to pul.l tlle berming and
planting off the easement as much as possible. In areas where there is a visual
problem for traffic9 berming and planting is allowed to 1�e lower than three feet.
Mr. Boardman said there is an area like this where the driveway comes onto Osborne
Road. Additional berming will b e added along Osborne Road,.with additional planting
along the driveway. The rest of the property not used for parking or the buildino
will be sodded. The landscaping plan was approved as presented.
The north exte.rior elevation (front) will consist of alternating stone panels,
stained cedar panels and solar bronze glass windoias and doors. The east, ivest and
south elevations will be matching metal panels with walk out doors. Loading docks
are located on the south elevation.
There is a six foot hi.gh screening wall jogging out of the west elevation
screen the loading area from Osborne Road. This will consist of stained cedar
on the top with stack bond block on the bottom. It was recommended to change
height of the wall to seven feet.
to
the
There was no prablem with the parking layout. AlI code requirements were
met as far as parking space needed and size of stalls, concrete curbing, blacktop-
ping, driveway size and radii needed for entrances.
Mr. Lindblad asked about security li.ghts. Atr. Slechta said there were
lights only over the doors, with some placed possibly in the shrubs to be directed
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towards the building. Air. Tonco recommended security lights be placed on the
^ coxners to illuminate the entire area for the police. Mr. Slechta agreed.
- Mr. Tonco asked about rubbish storage. �ir. Slechta said it will probably
be inside. Mr. Simoneaus said since there is a possible total rental space to
seven different individuals, wouldn't this mean a possibility of seven different
rubbish areas. t�ir. Slec}ita waid yes. The Board recommended that they keep the
rubbish inside if possible, but if outside storage is needed, the exterior
screening will have to be approved by tlie City before it is allowed.
The Board asked about outside roof equipment. bir. Slechta said there would
be none. The Board said this will have to be screened also if there has to be
roof eauipment.
The drainage probelm has been worked out with the City Engineering Department.
Because the dr.iveway was moved 20 feet to the west, the driveway will be jogged
and will allow for the drainage to drai.n south doian the dri.ve�aay and be picked up
by a catch basin and piped to an existing 60" storm sewer to the south. The
moving of the dxiveiaay will also allow for a 25.foot green area between the drive-
taay and the building.
MOTION by Simoneau, seconded by Tonco to recommend to Council approval of
the building �tiTith the following stipulations:
l. The building be moved 5 feet north and and the driveiaay 20 feet west
/1 to a11oGV for more front green area, and to keep planting off of the
Osborne Road easement.
2. Landscape plan as changed by the City to allow for additional
berming along Osborne Road, and planting along the driveway be
followed, with sod elsewhere.
3. Stained cedar panels on the exterior as changed by the City be
us ed. .
4. Screening wall be constructed of st�ined cedar and stac3c bond
block and changed to seven feet high.
5. Security lights be placed also on the corners of the building.
6. Refuse be kept inside if poss-ible, if not the area has to be
screened with approved screening as set by the City.
7. Drainage plan be used as set up by the Engineering Department.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all uoting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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� ^ Mr. Dick Gazda and A1r. Stan Beckstrom were present for the request.
Mr. Gazda and r1r. i�eckstrom explained that the additinn would Ue used for ware-
house purposes. The Board.asked if the addition would create any proUlem as far
as the parking is concerned. b1r. Gazda said no. The parking area is already
blacktopped and has concrete curbing. No additional parking will be needed for
personell.`I'he Board did point out that concrete curbing should be used around
the new driveway entrance.
The Board asked about refuse, and outside roof equipment. I�ir. Gazcia said .
the refuse would be inside and the� is no outside roof equipment.
Mr. Lindblad asked aUout the chain linked fence that is used to screen the
rear loading and parking facilities from Osborne Road. A1r. Gazda said there is
• at present slats on the fence and they will be using a vine coverage foi� additional
screening. �irs. Treuenfels asked if they could use evergreens to allow for winter
screening. i�ir. Beckstrom said the roadway istoo close to the fence and the trees
would die from snow plowing and salt in i.he winter. Mr. Boardman also said that
the vines do get thick enough to give a good screen in the winter.
Mr. Lindblad asked what type of landscape plan they had. 1�1r. Gaz�a has hired
a professional company to draw a plan and this plan was approved by the City staff.
The plan allo�ti�s for open green area as well as shaded areas for the employee's use
on breaks. A planter was placed along the north elevaiion. PIr. Boardman asked
� whwt type of elevation there was on the north side. A1r. Beckstiom xeplied that
the elevations on the north face are grade, 2.6 feet above floor level, and the
top of the planter is G feet above floor level. � time tatie_ was set when the
work was to Ue completed on the landscape plan, October, 1975. bfr. Gazda said
they hope to have if done by 1974, but the 1975 date will give them added time
to avoid a hardship on monies available for the caork.
Mr. Lindblad asked about security lights. �1r. Beckstrom said these will be
contin�ted around the addition.
There was no drainage problem.
Mr. Boardman asked if they will be meeting with Coachman Corporation,
which brought the property to the rear of them, and discuss the extension of the
chain link fence or purchasing of the property by Gazda ( a small pr�rtion of the
land not bought by Coachman). bir. Beckstrom said they would be meeting with them
on Monday. .
D40TION by Tonco, seconded by Simoneau to recommend approval to Council of
the addi•tion with the following stipulations: .
1. Vine cov�erage be used along chain link fence for� additional �reening.
2. Landscape plan be completed by October, 1975.
� 3. Security lights Ue provided on ulte additinn.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all voting eye, the motion carried unanimously.
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D4r. Jerry Simer was present for the request. b2r. Simer explained the .
addition �aould be used to join the two present building so that added room for
manufacturing and storage could be acquired. The building at 5960 A1ain Street
will be used for ma.nufacturing, dock receiving and some office use. `I'he building
at 5930 R4ain Street will be used for manufacturing, stora.ge and office. 'This
building �,�ill also hava a small area rented out to the present tenants, Columbia .
r4illwork. The buildings �aill be joine� by a 48 foot length structure, consisting
of painted cone block �vith a windotia in the front.
The Board asked if the buildings would be similar in design. Mr. Simer said
yes, they bcCh have a brick and block construction in similar colors and �aith the
addition will be compatible. �
AZr. Lindblad asked about the parking area. The new building will need 37
to 40 stalls and they have 46 stalls. �ir. Boardman said it should ve stipulated
� that if additional parking is needed, it will and can be supplie�i as there is
room.
Mr. Lindblad asked if the driveway would be removed from the front of 593C.
Mr. Simer said yes, and this area will be sodded. The City staff �aent over the
landscaping plan with I�4r. Simer and agreed upon sodding in the front of 5930 with
some berming and tree planting in the general area. Also the shrubs al.ong the
parking area south of the building will be removed and replaced by a sidewalk.
A six foot cedar post or cedar fence �.�ill be placed the length of the parking area
and parallel to the sidewalk to screen�the parking area from Main Street. In front
of the fence will be a rock garden. The landscaping for 5960 1�4ain was approved
as is.
The driveway leading into 5930 will be moved five feet to the north with
poured concrete curbing along both sides. The south property line will have
curbing only to the front edge of the building with the stipulation that when
the property to the south of 5930 is requir.ed to put in a blacktop access, Simer
Fump will complete the concrete curbing. Also,stripping wi11 have to be done
on the parking area and the blacktop surface brought up to code.
Mr. Boardman said some type of protection was needed on the 5960 building
(north side) from cars. Dfr. Lindblad suggested an attached wooden post with
steel guardrails U e used. Tir. Simer agreed.
A�tr. Lindblad asked about tlie temporary building located to the rear of
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. 5960 biain. Mr. Simer said th4ir permit expires on the building on August, 1974,
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^ at which time the garage c,Till be removed: They are using the garage for material
storage, and this material will then be stored in the new building.
T'he Board asked about roof equipment. Mr. Simer said there is none. However,
there are two saw dust collectors used by their tenant. The one located south
of 5930 will remain and the one north of 5930 Main will be removed.
T'he Question of security lights was asked. Mr. Simer said 5960 I�9ain has
security lights, 5930 does not, but he does have plans to provide lights. .
Mr. Tonco said it would not hurt to have some lights on the rear side of the
buildings.
The Board said any outside dumpsters will have to be screened.
bir. Lindblad asked about the loading dock. Mr. Simer said there is no
problem or changes here. The Board agreed,as it is out of view from the public
right-of-way.
MOTION by Treuenfels, seconded by Simoneau to recommend to Council approval
of the addition �vith the follo�aing stipulations:
1. Additional parking area be provided if needed.
� 2. Parking area have stripping.
3. Landseaping plan b e utilized as changed and approved between the City
and D9r. Simer for 593Q blain Street. This included sadding of former
drivetvay area, trees planted, rock garden and reMO�.ral of shrubs to
be placed by a sidewalk.. �
4, A six foot cedar post or fence be placed in front of the sidewalk
south of 5930 Main building for screening of parking area.
S. 5930 Main Street drive�aay be moved 5 feet north and have poured
concrete curbing along both sidc� of the driveway to the front edge
of the bui lding.
6. Puture improvement on p-roperty south of 5930 will result in completion
of poured concrete curbing along entire blacktop edge.
7. Bumper posts and steel guardrails be placed on the north side of 5960.
8. •Any outside dumpster must be screened. .
9, Security lights be placed on 5930 Main St., with�lights also placed
on the rear of the b uilding.
10. Any roof equipment must b e screened:
^ UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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Mr. Dallas Anderson and T4r. Gene fietland were present for the request.
Assurance Ttanufacturing is requesting an addition that will join the two
separate buildings that Assurance uses together in i.he rear. The addition wil.l.
be constxucted of concrete block, painted to match the existing buildings.
Presently 7733.-35 Beech St. is a white block building with a broian maiisard roof.
The building at 7753-55 Beech St. and addition will be painted brown to tie in
with the other building. Due to extensive b�rming in the front of the buildings,
-they will have no actual front and will be hardly seen from Beech Street.
h1r. Lindblad asked about parking. N4r. Boardman said tliere is no problem,
but he would like to recommend post bumper guards with steel rails be placed along
the south edge of 7733-35 Beech St-reet. The Boarct agreed this should b e a stipu-
lation. Also poured concrete curbing should be placed around blacktop areas at
this time. �
Mr. Boardman further explained that the City is working with this entire area
on a clean up campaign. They are trying to get agreements signed on the landscapin�
� which would include extensive berming and planting for the block. The landscapin�
wou�ld be done at one time, reaulting in a unified landscapin.g plan for the entire
lilock at a lower� cost to the properyy ocaners. The landscaping plan for Assurance
will result in what is planned for the entire area by the City.
Assurance blanufacturing also said they would� be lo�aering the blacktop surface
along the north side of 7753-55 Beech building to conform with the elevation of
Brooklyn Tool's parking area. h1r. Boardman said some type of protection from
automobiles should be provided. Also the loading dock should b e shortened from
30 feet to 25 feet to allow for easier�parkirig.
The Board asked about outside refu��. It was or�.ga.nally planned to have a
joint screened area between Assurance Mfg, and Brooklyn Tool, however this is not
possible now. It caas recommended that Assurance sen d a lettex to the City stating
the refuse will be inside if possible, if not, it will be screened.
Th ere is no drainage problem.
D10TION Uy Simoneau, seconded by Treuenfels to recommend to Council approval
nf the addition with the following stipulations: �
1. Post and steel rail bumper guards be attached to the building
located at 7733-35 Beech Street on the �.outh side.
2. Protection from automobiles b e placed on north side of 7753-55
� . Beech Street.
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� 3. Letter stating ref.use will be inside of building if possible, if it
must be outside, proper screening will be used.
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4. Loading dock shortened from 30 feet to 25 eet.
5. Landscape plan used as recommended by City.
UPON A VOICE VOT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
5. CO'.VSTPI t' L'I'IC;� 01--_n_Pi:nU1 S'I'_'I'0_CO\S'I'j�UCT_1,�1 /1nD]'I'TCV TO�I'}Ir PRLSrNT
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I�1r. R. L. Pike, �1r. Paul 4G'heeler, NIr. Harry Mitchel�, and Mr. Paul Bredow
were present for the request.
Saeeti.zan Systems has a plan for future construction, but n�w their main
interest is extending the loading area so the Zoading docks can be closed to
help save on heating fuel. Tlie Board discuss�d this item and sair� any landscaping,
parking, or building change will not need to be acted upon at this time, �ahen
^ the expansion comes up these items will be handled at that time. The Board did
comment on the very neat appearance of the grounds and building.
h40TI0N by Treuenfels, seconded by Tonco to recommend to Council approval
of the enclosure. � �
UPON �1 VOICE VOTE, all �toting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
�• CONSIDI:RA'fTON OP A R}�gtIEST `I'0 CO\'ST']2UCT .A��I AnDTTTO\i TO T1iTi PRrSrNT
STURCTUI:I' FOR '1'�IL= USFi OF �;:�1:1:110U: Ii�G :1\D OFPICL' SP:\CEZ LOC.IT�D ON
LOT l, �ti'��i? P�ART �I' LO�I'2, �\lllll_'j'OR'S �IJL�DI\�ISIO� N0. 7�; TIIE S_ti�lE �3LII�`G
5320 �L��I\` S'll.L1:i \.1:. , PrcIPIi.Y�i�tl\\1_SC�I':1 55432__�RI:�UEST BY P,IIUL���;D
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Mr. L. E. Torrey and D4r. Ray Woolery �aere present for the request. A4r. Dick
Thorson �aas representing the contractor. �
Th e gentlemen said they will be adding a two story concrete block building
for additional office and warehouse use. The addition will be painted to match
the existing b uildings. • �
b4r. Boa�'dman had gone aver the site plan, parking layout and drainage plan.
No further action was needed on these items.• 'The Board was concerned with screening
and landscaping.
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^ Tir. Lindblad asked if the City of Midland had received any complaints on
dust. Ha noted that there usedto be a problem on this nature, but he himself had
not noticed anything lately. rir. Boardman said he was unaware of any. Mr. �doolery
said they usedto have i:his complaint due to the continuous constructian. T'he
area causing this problem has had a program for oiling the area. He said he plans
on oiling next year, but his oil contractor is not sure he can supply the oil
for this type of use. 1'he I3oard recommended oiling as much as possible.
The fence along h9ain Street also raised some questions. The representatives
said the fence has screening slat already in and will remain in. D4r. Boardman
requested vines by planted on the fence up to the pump house. This would help
cut noise and create a visual varrier. A4idland agreed on this idea.
It was pointed out to the Board that Midland has done an extensive amount
of landscaping and will be doing mor� as construction allocas. The Board said the
landscape plan should b e continued up the side of the new building.
1�10TION by Treuenfels, seconded by Ton o to recommend to Council approval
of the addition with the following stipulations: .
1. Oil dust area if needed� if possible.
2. Vines placed on fence up to pump house for si�ht and noise screen.
^ 3. Landscaping plan to be con�inued along the side of the new building.
UPON A VOIC� VOT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
�• CO:�SIDrRA'1'TON OF A Rr(�L1=_S1� �'I_0 CONSTRUCT G�P.:iGES TO BI: USF.D I3Y TI�E
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SA�Ii; I3},I,�G �a50-751ii .\\ i\iJ1; �.t�. , FR1DI_1.Y�itI_v;�;I SOI�•�_55��2��RI:QUEST _
BY }�IOl�ti( UISI l�N'll:l:i'I:.I`�I�S, 450-75'I'}� .A\ I\U1 '`�.1:, � FRIDLI;Y, �lI\\ESOTr�) .
No one was present for the rec�uest. Mr. Boardman said there might h ave been
a misunderstanding about the meeting, but he liad talked to r4r. Holmquist of
Holmauist Enterprises. They wuuld like the additional gaxaged to protect their
renters from vandalism and for extra storage of cars and equipment. The
additional garage tvill not be taking away parking area, but adding six stalls.
It also will not take away the green area rec{uired by code for ihis complex. .
There has never been a parking problem at these apartments and is needed only
for safety and storage. I�ir. Boardman said it should be stipulated that if
additiorial parking stalls are needed they will be provided. The Board agreed.
A40TION Uy Simoneau, seconded by Treuenfels that they recommend to Council
approval of the addition with the following stipulation;
1. If additional parking space is needed, it will be provided.
^ UPON A VOICE VOTE, al� voting aye, the motion carried unanimsouly.
Chairman Lindbiad adjourned the meeting at 10:00 p.m.
Respectfully suUmit.ted,
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THE MIN[JTES OF THE BOARD OF APPEALS SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING OF NOVEMBER 13 1973
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The meeting was called to order by Chairman Dribans.at 7:40 P.M.
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MEMBERS PRESENT: Drigans, Crowder, Gabel, Plemel, Wahlberg
MEMBERS ABSENT: None
UTHERS PRESENT: Howard Ma.ttson - Engineering Aide
MOTION by Plemel, seconded by Gabel, to approve the minutes of the �Jctober 23,
1973 meeting as written. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion
carried,
l. A REQUEST FOR VARIANCES Or• SECTION 45.053, 4A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO REDUCE
THE FRONT YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM 35 FEET TO 28 FEFT, AND, SECTION__
45.153, 4C, TO REDUCE TH� REAR YAR.D SETBACK REQUIRE1�fENT FROM 25 FEET TO 21
�FrT_ To ALLOW TIIE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ADDITION ONTO AN EXISTING DWELLING,
LOCATED ON LOT 2, BLOCI: 3, REARRl1NG�MENT OF BLOCKS 13,14 AND 15, PLYMOUTH_
�1DDITION, TH� SA1�1E EETNG 111-45TH AVENUE N.E. , FRIDLEY', MII�NESOTA. (REQUEST
BY MR BRUCE N�DEGAARD, 111-45TH AVENUE N.�., FRIDLEY,�MINNESOTA.)
Mr. Bruce Nedegaard and Mr. Bill Camp, general contractor, were present to
present the request.
MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Gabel, to waive reading the public.hearing
notice. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried.
Mr. Camp came forward with a plot plan of the property. He stated he built
� Mr. Nedegaard's original house and npw he wants to add on a family room and
garage but they need a variance on both the front and rear yards. He said
when the house was built, the Code stated they had to have 35 foot setbacks
on both sides as this is a corner 1ot. Mr. Camp stated the front.yard
setback on the structure to the West is 29 feet, the structure to the East
(across 2nd St.) is 28 feet, and this variance wil3. not be out of line with
what is already existing in the area.
Chairman Drigans asked if the neighbors had been granted variances and Mr.
Camp said that since the houses are cons•iderably older, they could have been
built without varianc.es.
Mr. Crowder asked if there is now an existing garage and Mr. Nedegaard answered
that there was not, just a parking space.
Chairman Drigans asked if a firewall would be installed and Mr. Camp said
there would be. '
Mr. Camp said the addition will be 30feet 6 inches by 36 feet and the family
xoom will.extend 14 feet by 22 feet 6 inches across the back. He said the
xest of tlie addition will be garage and storage area.
Chaixman Drigans asked if they planned to start construetion this fall yet if
the variances were approved. Mr. Camp answered they did, in fact, they would �
like to get a foundation permit right away, before Council action on the request.
He said if they could construct the footings now, and if Council would deny the
� � request, it would be the applicant's loss.
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Mrs. Wahlberg asked if there would be any entrance to the house from the garage
or would the�garage opening into the family room be the only one. Mr. Camp
^ said it would only open into the family room.
MOTION by Crowder, seconded by Plemel, to close the public hearing. Upon a
voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Drigans st�ted the hardship seems to be the lack of a garage. He said
there seems to be no ma.jor proble�s with this variance as the adjoining properties
have similar setbacks.
Mrs. Wahlberg stated the setbacks would keep with the existing structures in the�
neighborhood and will not be a deterent.
Mr. Plemel stated the addition will be bigger than the original structure and
should add considerable value to it.
MOTION by Crowder, seconded by Wahlberg, to recommend to the City Council,
approval of the variances, the reason being, the haxdship as discussed.
He added further, years ago the setbacks were 35 feet on street sides of
corner lots and this has now changed. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays,
the motion car'ried unanimously.
2. A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 45.154, 3, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO INCRE ASE
THE MA�iIl`1UM HEIGAT OF A FENC� IN A REAR YARD FROM 7 FEET TO 8 FEET TO ALLOW THE
ERECTION OF A PRIVACY FENCE ON LOT 11, BLOCK 1, TII�tiPLE TERRACE 2ND ADDITION, THE
/'1 SAME BEING 501 - 532 AVENUE N.E., FRIDLEY, MTNNESOTA, (REQUEST BY MR. VILJO
ONERMAA, 501 - 532 AVENIJE.N.E., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA.)
Mr. Onermaa was present to present his request. �
MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Gabel, to waive reading the public hearing notice.
Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Onermaa stated he lives on tk�e corner of 532 Avenue an3 7th Streat. He
said there is a playground adjacent to his rear lot line which has a lot of
activity. He said balls land in his yard all the time and the kids climb
over his existing picket fence and usually cause some type of damage. He
said he wants to install a 8 foot chain link fence that he will pay for
himself with no maintenance for the City. He said this fence will prevent
the balls from coming inta his yard as much and it will not block the.view
of traffic.
Mr. Crowder asked if it was correct that the Park Department had agreed to
pay half of the cost of the fence if a 6 foot fence was installed. Mr.
Onermaa answered that the Park Department was willing to pay half of a 6 foot
fence but he wanted an 8 foot fence. He said it would just be along his Uack
lot line because he now has a 4 foot chain link.on top of a retaining wall
along 7th Street. Ae said this would make the kids walk around to the front
gate to retrieve any balls that might go into the yard and would hopefully cut
down on the damage caused to his property, especially when they aren't home.
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Mr. Crowder asked what the neighbors to the East have in the line of fencing and
� also what he thinks of the variance. Mr. Onermaa answered that he has a 6 foot
redwood fence but he has a lot of trees, and there isn`t as much activity on that
end of the playground. He said his neighbor has no objection.
Mr. Crowder said he wondered if the neighbor would be coming in asking to add
2 more feet to his redwood fence and Mr. Onermaa said he didn't think he would
because that fence is there already.
Mrs. Wahlberg asked how high tha retaining wa1l along 7th Street was and Mr.
Onermaa answered it slants from 3 feet to 6 feet, and then his 4 foot fence
' is on top of it. He said the City destroyed his original fence along 7th Street-
and he paid for the new fence himself.
Mr. Crowder asked Mr. Onermaa if he was aware that a 7 foot fence aould be
installed without a variance and Mr. Onexmaa said he was,
Mr. Crawder asked if he had considered putting in a gate in this fence and
Mr. Onermaa sai.d he would not install a gate in it.
Mrs. Wahlberg stated she was c�ncerned that the kids will be walking on 7th
. �. Street to.get to the gate to retrieve the balls.. She said that could be
dangerous as 7th Street is a busy,street, but then she added, they would also
have to walk around if a 7 foot fence was installed.
� Mr. Plemel stated he didn't think 1 foot would make that much difference.
Mr. Crowder asked if he was putting up the fence to also biock out the view
of the kids and Mr. Onermaa said he was not. It was just to protect his
property.
Mr. Crowder asked Mr. Onermaa if he would go along with a 7 foot fence if the
City would pay for half of it and Mr. Onermaa said no. . ""
MOTI�N by Crowder, seconded by Gabel, to close the public hearing. tTpon a
voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimously.
M�TION by P1eme1, seconded by Crowder, to recommend to the Council, approval.
of the variance. Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried.
Mrs. Wahlberg said she felt the City should investigate planting vines, shrubs,
etc., on the Park side of this f ence.
Howard Ma.ttson said the City does have a plan to review and update all of its
:parks in the near future. .
3. A REQiTEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 45.073, lA, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO REDUCE
THE AF�EA REQUIREMENT FOR APARTI�IENT UNITS FROM 2,500 SQUARE FEET PER UNIT TO
1906 08 SQUARE F�ET PER UNIT TO ALLOW THE CONSZ'ItUCTTON OF.A 130 UNIT APARTMENT
COMPLEX ON THE SOUTH 698 FEET �F TfiE NORTH 1066 FEET OF THE WEST 385 P'EET OF
THE EAST HALF OF TiIE NORTHF.�-1ST QUARTER OF TIIE 50UTHWEST QUARTER OF SECTTON 14,
� T-30 R-24 ANOKA COUNTY EXCEPT TFIE WF.ST 30 FE�T TAKEN FOR STREET AND UTILITY
PURPOSES, THE SAME BEING 6401 - STIi STP.��T N.E., FRIDLLI'� riINN�SOTA. (Ri;QUEST
BY �aALL CORPORATION, 8030_CEDAR AVENUE SOUTFi, BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA.)
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Mr. Rudolph Dante was pxesent to present his request.
MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Crowder, to waive reading the public hearing notice.
Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried.
Howard Ma.ttson presented to the Board a plot plan that had been drawn up by the
City that was a xesult of a special meeting held on October 17, 1973. He also
presented to the Board a list of stipulations connected to this development
that was drawn up by the City Administration.
Chairman Drigans read aloud the minutes of the special Council meeting of
Oct�ber 17,"1973. A summary of the minutes is that the Wall Corporation felt '
they must lower the quality of the development due to the fact that housing
costs have become unreasonable. The have eliminated the recreation building,
changed the garages to be one car instead of two and they want the R-3 units
to be rentals. The Council turned down the plan submitted to them by Wall
Corporation and wanted a new proposal that would sti11 include; 1. 22 residential
Iots or at least an approximation of 22. 2. The Council suggested 130 apartment
units be constructed in the rental pxice range of one bedroom at $195, two
bedroom at $260 and at the 1973 rates. 3. The drainage cost will be taken care
of by the development and they will ma.intain the drainage pond as per previous
agreement. Mr. Herrick, during this meeting, stated he felt that if there is
an acceptance of this project, before the building permit could be issued, an
Ordinance change would have to be ma.de to remove the rental requirement from
the Ordinance, otherwise there would be a conflict. If the Ordinance can be
amended, there would be no problem in acceptance.
Mr. Plemel asked why Mr. Herr.ick had said the Ordinance would have to be
changed.
Mr. Da.nte replied that the Ordinance at this time says a person cannot have
a single �amily home and rent it out but that the Code can be changed. He
added the Wall Corporation has asked for a different type of townhouse unit
which would be similar to the Rice Creek Townhouse Project. He said the
Council was taken out to a project in Eagen to see what it was like and to see
what the Wall Corporation is planning t� build. He added the Board could tell
by the special meeting minutes that a few.Councilmen didn't like the Eagen
project. . •
Chairman Drigans asked if the appxoved 155 unit townhouse complex had been
abandoned and Mr. Dante replied that it had as they felt it was absolutely
impossible to build today.
Mr. Dante said the discussion at the Council Meeting was for 130 to 135 units.
Iie said the Council wanted R-1 lots around the perimeter of the project. He
said he asked Mr. Qureshi about the size of residential lots required and he
was �old 75 feet by 120 feet. He said Mr. Qureshi then started ma.rking up the
plot plan showing the residential lots. He said he did not think it is up to
Mr. Qureshi to draw up the layout for the Wall Corporation.
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Chairman Drigans asked if Mr. Dante had their proposal layout. Mr. Dante said
/� they proposed 135 R-3 units with residential lots around the perimeter with
varying lot sizes. He said he wasn't aware of Mr. Qureshi's plan until he saw
it during an intermission of a Council meeting. He said they are working on
their layout but it is not complete as yet.
Mr. Ma.ttson said the plot plan that the.Board has is a visual representation
of the list of stipulations that were agreed upon bytt�e Wa11 Corporation and
the City as a result of the meetings.
Mr. Dante said the plan is what the entire group (Council Meeting) thought ,
was good, however, they said we would still have to go through all the Boards
and Committees with our plans. He added that the public heaxing notice states
130 units and if you figure it out using 1906 per unit, you come up with 141
units. He said he`s not saying they will put in 141 units, but that they were
told they could have 130 to 135 units.
Mr. Crowder stated this request for a vaxiance sounds very prema.ture. He said
anytime he would have to vote on a request for the R-3 part of the project
without knowing what is to happen to the R-1 part, he would have to vote no.
He said he �ouia not like to see that the R-3 was built and then have no one
know what would happen�to the R-l. Mr. Crowder said he felt Mr. Dante should
get together with the City Administrati�n and decide what is being proposed.
He added he also had a question on the number of driveways that are shown on
the plan.
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Mr. Dante said he did not know as he did not draw up this plan.
Mrs. Wahlberg asked if Mr. Dante has his proposal drawn up on this and if not,
why is this item before the B�ard.
Mr. Dante said he didn`t know, other than for the t une factor that is involved
in going before all the Boards.
Mr. Crowder stated he felt the entire property should be discussed, not just
one part of it.
Chairman Drigans said Mr. Dante has stated that he feels it should be the
Wa11 Corporation that would have a•chance to submit their plan for consideration.
He said the Board could table the request for more plans or they could pass
it onto the�Planning Commission to consider when they consider the preliminary
plat. _
Mr. Plemel asked if it would be proper to pass the variance just to get the
ball rolling and the rest of the Board thought it would not.
Mr. Aante discussed the logic in the City's thinking when they say, they don't
want the R-3 next to the R-1 across the street and yet they want R-1 around the
perimeter of this project as a buffer which is.putting R-1 next to R-3.
� Chairman Drigans said it does seem that Mr. Dante isn't pleased w ith what the
• City has drawn up.
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Mr. Dante said he never saw this plan and he has not seen any of the minutes
� of the meetings. He said he thought this meeting might be for letting the
adjacent property owners know what is being proposed and to find out how many
would be objecting.
Mrs. Wahlberg stated the Board would be neglecting their responsibilities if
they approved a variance without seeing what is being proposed.
Mr. Gus Doty, owner of the double bungalows just south of this property,
stated his end property is probably as close to the Wall pxoperty as any, and
he had received notices in the ma.il that apparently the Board of Appeals is
not aware of. He said he received a Board of Appeals Publ.ic Heariz�g Notice for
the variance, a Planning Commission Public Heaxing Notice for the preliminary
plat axid a City Council Public Hearing Notice for the final plat. He said he
thought there should be a plat in existance if these meeting are being held.
He said he was surprised the Board doesn't have the preliminary plat and he
is also surprised that the Board might have to table this item for lack of
information.
Mr. Crowder asked Mr. Doty what his opinion was on the variance.
Mr. Doty said he thought to be overly protective, like on this property, the
C�ty is making it practically impossible to develope. He said he felt the
I906 per unit is adequate and could show the Board many units in town that are
1ess. "
�` Mr. Dante stated when they tell the City that they will encumber themselves,
and use their own land, and put up their own money, and put up the money for
drainage systems, they don't want the City to keep cutting off their rights
to develope this project.
Mr. John Fletty, 6361 - 7th Street, said he would like to make a genexal
comment. He said since 1965 this property has been before the City for all
different requests and during that.time, the owners seemed to�be agreeable to
everything the City wanted, even to go as far as giving them part of the land:
He said now it seems that you want to scale the p�oject down to practically
nothing because of financial problems, and to do away with the recreation area.
Mr. Dante answered he was not opposing the City as far as stipulations but that
he doesn't want them to dxaw up his plan for him. He said when he comes up
with a p1an,.which he is paying his architects for, then its the City's duty to
see if his plan agrees with the Code and planning.
Chairman Drigans stated the Wall Corporation is interested in this project
enough to spend a laxge amount of money to acquire the land and then there were
occurrencesthat prevented them from doing it, but they are still trying to
develope the property.
Mr. Crowder asked Mr. Fletty is he was opposed to the variance on the R-3 if
there is R-1 all around the perimeter of the project.
/"� Mr. Fletty said if there is an R-1 buffer araund it, he probably wouldn`t even
see it, but he said he was pretty confused as to what is going on.
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Mr. Wayne Saunders, 500 - 63rd Avenue, said he is still opposed for various
reasons. He said this is a request to get more units then allowed which
^ means mora traffic,which the less we bring in the better. He said the idea
that these are smaller is not a good reason to approve it as the ghettas are
also small units. ,
Chaixman Drigans said 155 units was approved at one time and now we are down
to 130 units and 22 residential houses which is a lot less.
Mr. Saunders said that i� true, but its still not final.
Chairman Drigans stated the notices went out reading 130 units,
the people who received these did not object to this number, as
present, but if the final plan shows a number greater than this,
then object.
and it seems
they are not
they might
Mr. Crowder stated he would like to act on this request if he knew what the
develaper �aanted to request.
Mrs. Wahlberg asked Mr. Aante what he thought of the 1906 figure and Mr. Dante
replied that this figure meant nothing to him. Ae added that �his figure has
nothing to do with the size of the units.
MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Crowder, to close the public hearing. Upon a
voice vote, thare being no nays, the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Crowder, to table this item, in view of the
�`` many discrepancies, until the Board can see the actual WaZl Corporatian
proposal. Upon a v�ice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried
unanimously. '
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Chairman Drigans stated that it seems the City has�spent considerable t une in
preparing this plot plan, but it was not even shown to the Wall Corporation.
4. A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 45.135, 1, G2, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO ALLOW
A LQADING DOCK TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD OF AN INDUSTRTAL BUILDING TO BE.
LOCATED ON LOTS_5, 6, AND 7, BLOCK 1, ONAtiJAY ADDITION, THE SAME BEING 7860 MAIN
STREET N.E „ F�IDLEY, MINNESOTA. (RE UEST BY D. W. HA.RSTAD COMPANY, INC., 7101
HIGHWAY ��65 N.E., FRIDLEY. MINNESOTA.
Mr. Dick Johnson was present to present the request.
MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Gabel, to waive reading the public hearing�notice.
Upon a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried. �
Mr. 3ohnson stated he went through all the Committees and the City Council on
this building and everything was approved. He said when�he went to pick up
the building permit, he was informed that the loading docks on the front of
the building were violating the Code, which was not detected by any of the
Board even though each Board had talked about them. He said during a meeting
with Aarxel Clark, Jerxy Boardman, and Mr. Qureshi, it was suggested that he
installed a timber retaining wall on either side of each loading dock, which
he is willing to do, �nd then go back to the Board of Appeals for a variance.
He said he would also like to mention there are two loading docks, even
though the hearing notice implies there is only one.
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Mr. Johnson said the retaining wall will extend high enough to prevent anyone
from falling over the loading docks, besides adding decorative screening.
Mrs. Wahlberg asked how high the timber retaining wall would be and Mr.
Johnson answered that it would be 3 feet higher than the grade and will be stepped
dawn to a length of 30 feet. He added this wall will be costing him an
additional $1,000.00.
There was a discussion on what the requirement was for the height of railings
around loading docks. NOTE- The Code requires a 42 inch guardrail when it is
more than 30 inches above grade.
Mrs. Wahlberg stated she could not see why the staff feels this wall will
screen when looking from the side. She said she can't see why the screening
is necessary as screening and it is an added expense fox the applicant.
Mr. Plemel stated he felt the Code restricted.loading docks in the front of
buildings because of the trucks backing out onto the street and blocking
traffico He said he thought the timber retaining wall will look very nice but
he wasn't sure about the safety factor.
Mr. Crowder asked Mr. Johnson if he had any qualms about installing the
wall and Mr. Johnson said he did not.
MOTION by Crowder, seconded by Gabel, to close the public hearing. Upon
a voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried.
Mr. Crowder stated he felt the petitioner was put in a bind when he had gotten
appraval from all the various Committees and now he has to go through the
whole procedure again because of an oversight. He said Mr. Johnson has bent
over backward to comply with the City's requests. .
Mrs. Wahlberg stated she felt the Board should grant the variance but she
said if the variance and the screening were two separate questions, she would
vote no on the screening as she feels it is unnecessary.
MOTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Gabel, to recommend to Council, approval of the
request for two loading docks in the front of the building. Upon a voice vote,
there being�no nays, the motion�carried.
Mr. Cro�ader�stated he wanted it noted in the minutes that the petitioner is
agreeable to putting in the posts for screening on whatever reasons the staff
thought them necessary.
5. A REQUEST FOR VARIANCES OF: SECTION 45.134, 3A, FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO INCREASE
• THE MAXIr1Ul�i LOT COVERAGE FROM 40 PER CENT TO 43 PER CENT SECTION 45.�34 4C
TO REDUCE THE R£AR YARD SETBACK FROM 25 FEET TO 8 F�ET SECTION 45.135 1 E4
TO ALLOW THE OFF STREET PARI�TNG TO BE ZERO FEET FRO�I THE r1AIN BUILDING IIv'STEAD
OP THE REQUIRED 5 FOOT SETBACIC, AND, SECTION 45 135, 1D, TO REDUCE THE PARKING
STALL SIZE FROP�1 200 SQUARE FEET (10' x 2Q') TO 162 SQUt�RE FEET (9' x 18') ALL
TO AI.ZOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF t�N ADDITION ONTO THE BACK Or THE EXISTING BUILDTNGS
^ LOCATED ON LOTS 20, 21, 22, 23, AND 24, BLQCK 7, ONAWAY ADDITION, THE SAP� BEING
7733-35 AND 7753-55 BEECH STR�ET N.E., FRIDLLY, MTNI�?ESOTA. (REQUEST BY ASSURANCE
riANUFACTURING, 7753 BEECH STRE�T N E.z FRIDLEY, r1INNESOTA )
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Mr. Dallas Anderson was present to present the request.
� MOTION by Crowder, seconded by Gabel, to waive reading the public hearing notice.
Upon a voice vote, thexe being no nays, the motion carried.
Howard Mattson explained to the Board that Assurance Manufacturing owns two
separate buildings that the addition will join together. A plot plan of the
property was shown to the Board. Mr. Mattson pointed out the location of each
variance asked for on the plot plan.
Mr. Anderson stated they have a problem with OSHA on the lack of storage space.
He said they have been stacking their steel, etc., in the building and they
simply need more space to comply with the OSHA requirements.
Mr. Crowder asked what the alternative would be if the variance was denied and
Mr. Anderson answered that they would have to move to another location.
Mr. Crowder asked if they were also going to hire more employees and Mr. Anderson
said they would not be. Mr. Crowder said he had been concerned about reducing
the size of the parking stalls to provide the adequate number but if they are not
going to add anymore employees there should be no problem. Mr. Crowder asked if
Assurance Manufacturing had an agreement for parking with Brooklyn Tool and
Mr. Anderson said they had, and a copy of the agreement was shown to the Board,
Mrs. Wahlberg asked how and where supplies are delivered and Mr. Anderson said
everything gets delivered to the front door now and the trucks are normal size.
^ She asked if they took up many parking spaces for a long period of time and
Mr. Anderson said they did not. Mr. Anderson added the deliveries wi11 be made
to the back of the building when the addition in constructed.
Mr. Crowder asked if there was a utility easement in the vacated alley and Mr.
Anderson said there is only one pole back there and th� power for his buildings
comes from the front.
Haward Mattson explained the City's attempt to get the Onaway area cleaned up,.
and the proposed landscaping that Mr. Anderson has promised to accomplish.
MOTION by Wahlberg, seeonded by P1eme1, to close the public hearing. Upon a
voice vote, there being no nays, the motion carried unanimously.
Mrs. Wahlberg said it seems like a reasonable solution to keep a fine company..
in- Fridley. �
Mr. Cx�wder stated the hardship is the State safety law that requires machines
and materials to be stored and spaced inside in a manner that cannot be complied
with in this case unless an addition is added on.
MQTION by Wahlberg, seconded by Gabel, to recommend to Council approval of the
numexous variances. Upon a voice vate, there being no nays, the motion
carried unanimously. .
^ ADJOURNMENT ,
The meeting was adjourned by Chairman Drigans at 10:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted, .
MARY HINTZ
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-
STREETS & UTILIT2ES SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING NOVEMBER 14, 1973 PBG� 1
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairman Harris called the meeting to order at 7:40 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Harris, Christensen, Meissner
Members Absent: Forster, French
Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Adm.
Robert Parta, County Attorney's Office
APPROVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE
MINUTES: OCTOBER 24, 1973
MOTION by Meissner, seconded by Christensen, that the
P1ats & Subdivisi�ons-Str.eets & UtiZities Subcommittee minutes
of October 24, 1973 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote,
a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
/'� 1. VACATION REQUEST, SAV #73-11, BY ALLEN ZEIS: of a street
and alley as follows, Hickory Street between Block 3 and
4, Onaway.Addition and an alley adjacent to and West of
Block 4, Onaway Addition located between Beech Street
and the railroad tracks, between 78th and 79th Avenues N.E.,
to allow construction of an industrial complex.
Mr. Zeis came later in the meeting.
Mr. Christensen asked.the purpose of this request.
Mr. Clark answered that the petitioner wants to construct
two speculative buildings, one facing 78th Avenue and one facing
79th Avenue, with a common loading area.
Mr. Christensen asked where the access would be.
Mr. Clark said there is an improved alley, but this alley
would have to be widened. He said that Al Zeis owns both blocks
in this area. He has brought in a set of plans, and it was felt
that this was the best way to develop this area.
Mr. Harris said this vacation had been started before. Mr.
Clark said this request was different� in that the petitioner doesn't
want the improved alley vacated, and the original vacation had only
� , had the first reading. Mr. Harris said there was a vacation request
for Gumwood, too, and he thought this vacation had gone through. Mr.
Clark said that was held up after the first reading also, although
the petitioner of ttiat vacation request, Mr. Houser, has fenced part
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� Mr. Christensen asked what the plan was for the end of
. 78th Avenue. Mr. Clark said there should be a cul-de-sac there.
It probably should have a radius of 120 feet because this is an
industrial area. As far as 79th is concerned, we don't know at
�his time if this will be extended across the tracks or not. The
crossing has been appr.oved by the railroad. Mr. Harris said there
would be opposition to this from the people across the tracks.
Mr. Clark said that when this Subcommittee had studied the area,
it was felt the 77th crossing should be moved to 79th. There should
probably be a temporary turn around at 79th Avenue until there is
a decision on this street.
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Mr. Christensen asked when this area had started to develop.
He said the str�ets were so nice up in this area but it seemed to
. be a kind of hodge podge. Mr. Clark said this area started to
develop in 1959. Mr. Harris said this was about 1911 vintage as
far as the plat was concerned and there had been a multiple of land
owners. Mr. Clark said that with the adoption of the new code now,
he thought this area would look quite different in a year or two.
MOTION by Meissner, seconded by•Christensen, that the Plats
& Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend to the
Planning Commission approvaZ of vacation request, SAV #73-11, b�
A11an Zeis, to vacate a street and a11ey described as Hic.kory Street
between BZock 3 and 4, Onaway Addition, and an a1Zey adjacent to,
and West of B1ock 4, Onaway Addition, located between Beech 5treet
and the raiZroad tracks, between 78th and 79th Avenues N.E „ to
a11ow construction of an industrial compZex, subject to the retention
of the utility easement in this a11ey, with consideration being
given to widening the aZ1ey Zocated in Bl�ock 3, Onaway Addition,
and with a 120 foot radius cul-de-sac at 78th Avenue, and the
possibility of a temporary cuZ-de-sac at 79th Avenue N.E. Upon a
voice vote, aZl voting aye, the motion carr�ed unanimously.
2. CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSFD PRELIMINARY PLAT, P.S. #73-09,
BY THE WALL CORPORATION: being a replat of the East Half of
the Northwest Quarter of the Southwest Quarter of Section
14, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota;
with exceptions. (Riedel property).
Mr. Rudolpr. Dante, representing the Wall Corporation, and
Mr. Bob Parta, representing the County Attorney's office were
present.
Mr. Dante explained the proposed plat. He said they would
have a three story apartment compl.ex in the R-3 area. There would
be open courts in the apartment complex which were shown with green
lines on the plat. There would be two wings for encZosed parking
of l35 cars. Because the elevation o� this enclosed parking would
have a low profile, they would have an area for volley ball and
tennis courts on the roof. The ponding area would be similar to the
original plan, but there would be creeks between the three ponds so
they could be used for canoeing. They are showing the piece of
property that the County may want to acquire,for their library site,
but if they don't acquire the property, this will be platted into two
residential lots..� This plat shows 28 residential lots with five being
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served with a cul-de-sac street off of 5th Street N.E.
Mr. Harris asked if all these R-1 lots meet the eode
requirements. Mr. Dante said all the lots were 75 feet by 120
feet or larger.
Mr. Harris asked who was going to have control over the
ponding area? Mr. Dante said this would be gart of the apartment
complex and would be ov�ned and controlled by the Wall Corporation.
Mr. Harris asked about the lots that were half R-1 and half
R-3. Mr. Clark said this would present no problem as long as the
use would be R-1.
Mr. Christensen said there were. larger platted lots where
the City would want storm sewer and walkway easements, so this
would present no problem either.
Mr. Clark said the copy of the proposed plat that the
Subcornmittee members had received in their agenda was a plat drawn
up by the City staff', after the meetings held with the Wall Corp-
oration in October. The pl'at Mr. Dante is presenting was drawn
up by the Wall Corporation. Mr. Clark continued, that the basic
difference in the two plans is that where the Wall Corporation has
the five extra R-1 lots is where the�City proposed a recreation
area or park site. He said the shape of the apartment complex
was different, but the Council was not trying to shape the apartment
building with their proposal.
Mr. Clark said the cost of running a cul-de-sac into these
five additional lots with the street and utilities would be $25,000
or $5,000 a lot. There would be:a question of it being economically
feasible to develop these 1ots. The City would rather see open
space there. He said if this street went in, the setback would
change on the enclosed garage for the apartments. Mr. Dante said
that this was just a drawing and the garage could be turned to
meet the setback requirements. Mr. Harris said the proposed street
was only 25 feet wide and this would be too narrow. Mr. Clark
said the�street surface would have to be at least 31 feet wide and
the cul-de-sac would have to be larger. The right of way should
be at least 40 feet. The code is 50 feet.
Mr. Clark said the County is negotiating at the present time
for a portion of the Wall Corporation'progerty for their.library
sit�. He �said if this was platted as two lots, this could change
the valuation of the property. Mr. Parta stated that the County
was very close to finalizing the negotiations on this property and
they would be making an offer next week. Mr. Clark said this goes
to Council for consideration of the final plat on December lOth. Mr.
Dante said he would hope this could be settled before this meeting.
Mr. Parta said it would be close, because he thought it would be
about three weeks before this was settled. He said there was a
remote possibility that this property would have to be condemned.
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� Mr. Dante said that in the past, we have been asked about
the library having a common driveway with the Wa11 Corporation.
Mr. Clark said this would eliminate one driveway access and help
with the traffic problem. Mr.. Dante said that in all their planning
for this property, they have held the parcel the County might want
for a library site, in abeyance. The Wall Corporation has always
been willing to work with the L"tbrary Board.
Mr. Clark said that at the time of the re2oning request on
this property, the proposal was to have 108 apartment units iri '
the R-3 area and 61 townhouses in the R-1 area. When the plan
was approved, it was for 108 apartment units and 59 townhouses.
On May 17, 1973, the Wall Corporation said they wanted to change
their plan to all townhouses� 155 of them, which would start out
as rental units and eventually be privately owned. Then about
six weeks ago, they asked to build smaller townhouses, with a
ane car tuck under garage, and these would be all rental units.
The Council said they would not desire such a plan. Out of the
meetings held later, the Council suggested an apartment complex
of 130�uni�s and 23 residential lots. �The City drew up one pl.an
arid Mr. Dante has presented the Wa11 Corporation plan tonight.
The meetings have all been set on this request, as there is a rush
to get this project going before the freeze-up.
� Mr. Christensen said he would be interested in what the main
factor has been in all the changes made by the Wall Corporation in
. their plans in the last 12 years.
Mr. Dant� said at the time they proposed the 155 townhouses
it was because the Council felt they wanted single �amily housing
in the area and townhouses was as close to single family housing
as we could get. This could not be done on a �iable basis as far
as financing the entire 155 structures. We would have to build
a few townhouses, and wait until they were sold, before we could
build 6 more, and it would have been a constant construction program,
which wouldn't have been•too desirable in the heart of Fridley.
We then asked if we could build the townhouses as all rental units
on a teniporary basis, and sell them over a three to five year �-
period. Then the financial structure changed drastically and we
found we would be building units that would have to rent for somewhere
in the $430 to $460 a month category and we didn't think we could
find 155 families that would pay that rental cost. Our architect
built the Roger Larson Townhouses, which are rental units, and we
also have�a development out in Eagan. We asked the Council to look
at these two sites to show What we wanted to build on this property.
These would be smaller townhouses with a tuck under garage. The
concensus of the opinion of the Council was that they didn't want
a development such as this at this location.
/'1 Mr. Dante said he would like to see about 225 units of apartment�
in the R-3 area, surrounded by open area, which he felt would
really be a buffer from the residential areas. At-the meeting with
the Council they said tYiey would rather see R-1 lots around the
apartment complex of only approximately 130 units.
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Mr. Dante said Mr. Riedel and Mr. Pederson were at this
meeting and discussed the IRS problems and other liens on the
property, and it was mentioned that the IRS would foreclose on
this property in about six months. Mr. Dante said he asked Mr.
Qureshi the code requirements for lot size in an R-1 area and it
really didn't take a great land planner to draw in lots on a
rectangle piece of property. It was indicated at this time that
the Wall Corporation should buy this property. We already had
spend $60,000 on plans for the area. We are not the owners of
this property, and do plan to get started on this project this
year. �
Mr. Harris said that on the original proposal, the developer
was going to put in sidewalks. Mr. Clark said as these lots are
. going to be individual R-1 lots, the City could be putting in the
sidewalks and assessing the property owners, as there was right of
way for this purpose. In checking Mr. Dante's plan, it was found
that the Easterly boundary of the property was in this right of
way and would have to be moved back to the pr.operty lines.
Mr. Harris asked Mr. Dante if he had profiected any costs of
developing the individual R-1 lots. Mr. Dante said Y�e hadn't. He
said he was not looking at individual lots}�ecause they planned to
sell all the R-1 lots to one builder and l�ave him develop them. Mr.
Harris said that because of the different elevations and there
being peat on some of the lots, the cost of improving some of these
lots could be so prohibitive that some of the lots could go tax
forfeit. Mr. Dante said there had not better be any tax forfeit
lots because they needed the sale of the residential lots to develop
the apartment complex. As far as he is concerned, these are all
buildable lots.
Mr. Meissner said then the concern of the Wall Corporation is
on the development of the apartment complex, and the development of
the R-1 area will be someone elses problem.
Mr. Harris aaked if there were a lot o£ assessments outstanding
on this property. Mr. Clark said the assessments should almost be
paid up, so this was no problem.
Mr. Harris said that the $•25,000 for development of the five
additional lots could be spread over the entire R-1 development and
it would only add less than $1,000 to the 28 lots. This would
have to be taken up with the developer of the R-1 area and cannot
be made part of this plat. �
Mr. Meissner said he would�like to go through the stipulations
of the memo of November 2, 1973. Mr. Dante said he has not seen �
those stipulations. .
Mr. Meissner said the first stipulation was on the development
of residential lots, on which there was agreement.
The second stipulation was on the size of the apartment complex
with reference made to the rental rates. Mr. Dante said the building
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^ �ould have around 130 units but there was no way the City could
dictate the rental rates. In checking further stipulations, Mr.
Meissner�said it was all in the R-3 zone, and parking was provided
for. Mr. Dante said they haven't agreed to the recreational
facilities. Mr.�Meissner said he didn't think that should be part
of the consideration of this play anyway. The ponding is as
stipulated. As £ar as the preserving of the grove of �rees, there
are lots on this part of the plat now. Mr. Dante said they would
be providing the landscaping, but they hadn't agreed to a metal
fence. Mr. Clark said there should be fencing provided between
the garages and the R-1 lots. Mr. Meissner said the things that �
aren't agreed upon are things that should not be considered in
approving the proposed plat.
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Mr. Clark said that the variance request for for reducing
the density from 2500 square feet per unit to 1906.8 square feet
per unit. This is based on the area zoned R-3 only. If you include
the open area in R-1 that adjoins the apartment area, the density
would be 2204 square feet p�r unit, which would help justify the
variance being granted.
Mr. Meissner wondered how things had changed. He said at
the time of the original proposal in this area, the neighbors had
asked that this be develaped as R-1 property and were told that it
was not economically feasible to develop this property this way.
Mr. Harris and Mr. Clark checked the elevations on the R-1
lots being platted and determined that the fill for these lots
would run somewhere between $500 �o $1,000 per lot, depending
upon the different elevations and where the.peat was located on
each lot.
Mr. Meissner said this proposed plat meets the code require-
ments on the R-1 portion and they will be able �to build in the
R-3 area if they get relief on the density from the Board of Appeals.
Mr. Dante said he was not in favor of walkway easements on
private property. Mr. Harris and Mr. Meissner said they agreed,
especially when the ponding area would be under the private owner=
-ship of the Wall Corporation. Because these lots will be under .
private ownership rather than a corporation if the townhouses had
been built, it does`change the walkway proposal. There is room to
provide these walkway easement and easements for storm sewers on
63rd which should line up with 6th Street, and on 7th Street which
should line up with Bennet Drive and on Mississippi, Mr. Clark said.
MOTION by Meissner, seconded by Christensen, that the P1ats
& Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee recommend to the
Planning Commission approval of the proposed preliminary p1at, P.S.
#73-09, by the Wa1Z Corporation, being a replat of the East Half of
� • the Northwest Quarter of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14, T-30,
R-24, City of Fridley, Coanty of Anoka, Minnesota, with exceptions,
with the stipulations'that approval be subject to straighteninq out
of one 1ot in the R-I area, provide proper-width and new setbacks for
the new cul-de-sac road, provide easement.that wi11 be required for
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^ storm sewer outlets into the ponding area, and subject to the
realignment of the Easterly boundary back to the property line,
allowing for proper sidewalk easements, and contingent upon the
proper relief of density requirements in the R-3 area being
approved by the Board of Appeals and City Council. Upon a voice
vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairman Harris adjourned the meeting at 9:35 P.M.
- Respectfully submitted,
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Dorothy Evenson, Secretary
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MINNESO'I'A TYPE OF REQU�S'I'
PLANNING AND ZONING FORP,1
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APPLICANT' S SIGNATURC �LAN ZEIS
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Address?',�-9-4�-�=��t�e-�i s �al . Eee� ���P��s- _
Telephone Number 784-4948 �
I'ROPERTY OIYi�ER' S SIGNATUI2E
Address
Telephone Nwnber
Same
Rezoning
Special Use
Permit
Approval of
Preliminary I'lai:
Approval of
Fina1 Plat
X Streets ox
Alley Vacatio�Is
Otlier
Street Location of Property Between 7�th & 79th On Beech Street & the
Railroad tracks
Legal 1lescription of Property Block 3 and 4, Onaway Addition and
_ Alley located in Block 4, Onaway Addition
Present Zoning Classification
Existing Use of Property vacant
M-2 (Heavy INDUSTRIAL)
Proposed Zonin� Classification, Special Use, or other reQuest
Vacate Hickory Street between Blo�k 3.and Block 4, Onaway Addition
, tion
Desc�ibe briefly the Type of Use and Improvement Proposed Construct 2
speculative warehouses
Acreage of Property
Has the Present Applicant Previously Sougllt to Rezone, Plat, Obtain a Lot Split,
Obtain a Variance or Special Use Permit on the Subject Site or Part of It? No
iVhen? . .
Wliat was rec�ues�ed
Date Filed
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Date of IIearing November 21, 1973 ' j
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� perty within 300 feet �ust �ie attoctze�i j;�l
� this s;>�IicaCion.
(b) This �v�iic�t�.on clust be ���n�c3 by r�i1
ot„nexs of tha pr.aE>�rty, o. rn e�n�an<��4.c��'►
Ei.v��n wf+y thit� ia nat t�e c�s�.
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OFI'ICIAL NOTICE
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PUBLIC HEI�RTNG
BEFORE THE
PLANNING COMMISSION
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:
Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing
of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in -the City
Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, November
21, 1973 in the Council Chamber at 8:00 P.M, for the purpose o�:
Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat,
P.S. #73-09, by The Wall Corporation, being a
replat of the East Half of the Northeast Quarter
of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14, T.-30, R-24,
City of Fridl.ey, County of �noka, Minnesota, except
the South One Hundred Eighty-five (185.0) feet
thereof, except the f.ollowing parcels:
Parcel A:.All that
of the S.W. 4 of Se
Anoka County, Niinne
the N.W. Corner the
North line of said
214 feet, thence So
line ot said East 2
west Quarter for a
West parallel with
81 feet;:thence Sou
line for a distance
parallel with said
feet to said West 1
line a distance of
Subject to easement
North 33 feet and t
part of the E. Z of the E. 2
ction 14, Township 30, Range 24,
sota, described as beginning at
reof, thence East�along the
Southwest Quarter a distance of
u�th and parall�l with the West
of the East z of the South-
distance of 153 feet, thence
said North line for a distance of
th and'parallel with said West
of 215 feet; thence West and
North line for a distance of 130
ine; then North along West said
368 feet to the point of beginning.
s for street purposes over the
he West 30 feet thereof.
Parcel B: A permanent easement for street; sanitary
se�aer and utility purposes over a part of the following
described parcel: That part C�f the East 2 of the
East Z of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14 that
li�s between the East 40 feet thereof and the following
described 1ine; b�ginning zt a point on the South r.ight
of way line of Mississippi Street located 88.53 feet West
of the East line of said parcel, thence South parallel.
to the East line of said parcel a distance of 51 feet,
thence on a tangentiai curve to the left with a delta
anc�le of 16 degrees 18 feet deqree of curve of 10.38
degrees and a radius of 551 feet for a distance of
157.03 feet, thence Southerly in a straight line tangent
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P.S. #73-09, Wall Corporation
Page 2
^ to last described curve, a distance of 57 feet,
thence on a tangential curve to the right with
a delta angle of 16 degrees 18 feet degree curve 11.06
degrees and a radius of 490.25 feet a distance of
approximately 45 feet to a point of intersection with
a line drawn parallel to and 40 �eet West of the East
line cf said East 2 of�the'Southwest Quarter of
Section, thence terminating, all lying in the City of
Fridley, County of Anoka.
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Parcel C: An easement for sewer, water and public utility
purposes in and over the following describ�ed parcel; to-wit
starting at the centerline of Mississippi Street on the East
line of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14, T-30, R-24;
thence South 33 feet to the Soui�h _line of Mississippi Street
to the actual point of begii�ning; thence continue South on
the East line of the Southwest Quarter of Section 14, T-30,
R-24 a distance of 1149 feet plus or minus to the North line
of 63rd Avenue Northeast; thence West along the�•.North line
63rd Avenue 40 feet; thence North and paral.lel to the East
l.�ne of �he Southwest �uarter of Section 14, T-30, R-�24, to
the Couth line of Niississippi Street; thence East 40 feet
along the South line of Mississippi Street to the actual
point of beginning.
This property
on the East by
Street and on
is bounded on the South by 63rd Avenue N.E.,
5th Street N.E., on the North by Mississippi
the West by 7th Street N.E. �
Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter
may be heard at this time. �
Publish: November 7, 1973
November 14, 1973
EDWARD J.
CHAIRMAN
PLANNING
FITZPATRICK
COMMISSION
Name and Address
Name and Address ��
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Mr. & Mrs. Douglas Juenemann
6280 Seventh Street n.E.
Fridley,.Minnesota 55421-
Mr. & Mrs. Herbert Hymes
6270 Severtth Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Duane Grant
6260 Seventh Street N.E.
Fridle_y, Mini�esota 554?1
Mr. & Mrs. .Gardon Von Wald
6250 Seventh Street N.�.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
T1r. & Mrs. Reginald Cobb
6281 Sixth Street N. E.
FridleST, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Leslie Coyle
6271 Sixth Street N,B.
�..�Fridley, Minnesota 5542I
Mr. & Mrs. Herbert Evans
62b1 Sixth Street N.Eo
Fridley, Minnesot�u 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Richard Schaaf
6251 Sixth Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Uuno Ropponen
6280 Sixth Street N.E,
Fridley, Psinnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Lou Roerig
6250 Sixth Street NoE.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Ezra Yarns
6251 Fifth Street NaE,
Fridley, Minnesata 55421
Mr. &� Nirs. Howard Nelson
6261 Fifth Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesoea 55421
' `Mr. & Mrs. Donald Nelson
62�1 I'i�th StreeC NoE.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs.Wayne Saunders
500 - 63rd Avenue N,E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Wallace Erlandson
521 Aiississippi Street N.E.
Fridl_ey, Minnesota 5542I
The Fridley Church of Christ
SOl Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesata 55432
Mr. & Mrs. James Long �
495 Mississipp:i Street N,E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr . & Mrs . Ray �v�oolery
4b5 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridl�y, Minnesota 55421
Mr. Boriss �`�. Zile
5215 University Avenue NdE.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mrs. Anna K. Sorenson
421 Mississippi Street NeE.
Fridley, Minuesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Bennett Sorum
4I1 Mississippi Street N.Eo
Fridley, Minnesota .55421
Mr . & A7rs . Ranko Schuur
401 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. George Meissner
373 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 5542I
Mr. Clifford A. Nelson
365 Mississippi: Street NoE.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Raymond Anderson
390 - 66th Av�nue N,E,
Fridley, riinnesota 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Lawrence Swan
388 - 66th Avenue N,E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Name and �ddress Name and Address �J
Mr. & Mrs. Glenn Engstrom
^ 6340 Washington Street N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Earl Miller
6330 Washington Street N,E.
Fridley, Min.nesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Henry Olszanski
6320 Washington Street NeE.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr . & Mrs . �dalford. ri. Anderson
6310 Washington Street N.Eo
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. David Fuerstenbcrg
525 - 63rd Avenue N,Eo
Fridl.ey, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Archie Huss
501 - 63rd l�venue NoEo
� ridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Willard 6chlenker
6311 Seventh Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr..&-Mrs. Richard Ekstr�nd
6341 Seventh Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Walter Pete.rson
6351 Seventh Street NoE.
Fridley, Plinnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. John Fletty
6361 Seventh Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
M•r. & Mrs. Allen Krogness
6371 Seventh St�eet N.Ea
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs.Larry Wa1de
5Q0 Bennett Drive N.�.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
/"�Mr. Robley V. Stuart
536 - 63rd Avenue N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Merlyn Arensan
524 - 63rd Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs.Richard Day
6270 Sixth Street N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Leonard Bujak
6260 Sixth Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Babbscha Company
c/o :Midwes,t Federal 68597-8-C
$5 South 8th Street� .
Minn�apolis, Mn 55402
George Hayans, Clifford Spieker, David Harris
& Weaver, Talle, & Herrick, a partnership
6231 Un.iversity Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Stanley Stefans
537 Bennett Drive N.Eo
Fridl�y, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Aune
6380 Washington Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs.John R. Steiner, Jr.
6321 Seventh Street N.E.
Fri:dley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs.Ronald Anderson
6331 Seventh Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Roger Freitag
509 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. Irwin J. Christianson
503 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fri�iley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & P1rs . Otto Marsolek
355 Mississippi.Street N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Raymond Habel
392 - 66th Avenue N,E,
Frid�.ey, rlinnesota 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Jerome Klees
Sq2 - 66th Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr . Ric.hard J. Trezona, I? .D. S
I77 N.E. Hartman Circle
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Name and Address
Mr. & T1rs . William Simms
/� 6281 riith Street N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. W. G: Doty �
175 Logan Parkway N.E,.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr. Sidney Nlessner
7525 East River Road N.. E.
Fridley, rlixlnesota 55=�.32
P4r. & Mrs. Art Christ�nson
231 Rice Creelc TeLrace
rridley, Minnesota 55432
J. & W. Building Account
8427 Center Drive I�joE.
Sprir.�g Lalce Park, riinnesota 55432
Jamison Bros., Inc. and t,lyatt Bros., Inc.
8427 Center Drive N.Eo
Spring Lat;.e Park, Ninnesota 55432
Mre & Mrs. 3ames Mensin;er
378 - 64th Avenue NoE.
�ridley, rlinnesota 55421
Mr, c,F Mrs. Arthur Smith
362 - 64eh Avenue N.E.
Fridrey, Mii�nesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Roy Olson
5Q1 Bennett Drive N�E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Roman Chocic
513 13ennett Drive N.�,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Arvil Miller
525 Bennett Drive N.E.
Fridley Minnesot� 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Kenueth Ackerman
637� Washington Street N,E.
Fridley, Mi.nnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. James Listan
6360 Washington Street NoE,
�Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Darwin Fitch
6350 Washington Street N.E.
Fri.dley, Minnesota 55421
Name and Address
Mr. & Mrs. E1lsworth Hinz
384 - 66th Avenue N,E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr. & Mrs. John Halling
380 - 66th Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr. & Mrs. William Klobuchar
378 - 66th Avenue No�.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr. & PZrs, Harold Ohlsson
376 - 66th Avenue No�.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mrs. Margaret E. Johanson
374 - 66th Avenue N�Eo
Fridley, Min.nesota 55432
Mr. & Mrs. Donald Hinz
372 -�66th Avenue N,E,
Fridley, riinnesota 55432
Mr. Thomas Toussaint
5I2 - 66th Avenue N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Mr. & r1rs. Art Christenson
231. Rice Creek Terrace
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
Brunkow Music � �
370 Mississippi Street N.E.
Fridley, riin��esota 55432
Mr. Rudy Riedel
420 Mississippi Street N.Eo
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. William Gallagher
500 Mississippi Street N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. .Joseph Tapsak
510 Mississippi Street N,E.
�'ridl.ey, Minnesota 55421
.Mr . & rirs . John Manly
520 MississiPpi Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Independent School District ��14
6000 West Moore Lake Drive
Fridley, r4innesota 55421
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Name and Address
�4r . & Mrs . Kent. Waterman
512 - 63rd Avenue N.E,
Fridley, Minnesota 55421
Douglas Peter.son
556 - 40th Avenue N.E.
Columbia Hei.ghts, Minnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Norman Riedel
4958 - StYi Street N.E.
Fridley, Mi.nnesota 55421
Mr. & Mrs. Wilfred Phillips
6766 7th Street N.E.
Fridley, Minnesota 55432
The Wall Corporation
8030 Cedar Avenue South
Bloomington, Mn 55420
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MEMO T0:
OFFICE OF THE CITY MANAGER
FRIRLEY, h1INNESOTA
November 2, 1973
COUNCTLh1AN TIht BREID�R
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SUBJECT: PRQPOS,4L FOR DEVELOPME��T OF RIEDELjt��ALL CORPORATIOPd PROPERTY IN LINE
WITH THE DTSCUSSION AT THE SPECTAL COUNCIL MEETING OF OCTOBER 77, 1973
At the Special Gouncil Meeting of October 17,�1973, you presented a proposal to
the City Counc�il outlining the following:
1. That th� development would have about 22 residential lots.
2. The R-�3 area would have 125 apartment units with a rental rate of
�1�5 for a one 6edroom unit and $260 for a two bedroom unit.
3. That all the drainage facilities within the complex would be taken
care of by the deve1oper. � �
Af ter this proposal there was quiie a lengthy discussion with Mayor Lieb1
suggesting some h.igher figure; i.e. 135 units for t�he apartment building. At the
end of the discussion, 6efore the meeting.ended, I summarized the City Council's
feelings so that the administrative staff �r�ould have a clear direction from the
Counci] regarding the development and so they could work with the developer within
these condi:tlons. The summary was.as follows;
.1.. 7he total residential lots vrithin the development and along 63rd Avenue,
7th Street and Mississippi Street would consist of 22 lots.
2. The apartment building would have 130 units at a rental rate, at 1973
prices, o-F $195 for a one 6edroom apartment and �260 for a t��ro bedroom
unit.
3. All drainage facilities Vrithin thE complex would be the•responsibility
of the developer as per our previous agre�ment.
` We have received a�rough outline of a development plan far the property fro�n
P1r. pante of the tJall Gorporation. His plan provides for ab�ut 30 residential lots
� and 135 apartment units. To keep the development proposal maving as expeditiously
as possible, I have advised the City Planning Department to process the plat and
the variance request as quickly as possible through the different subcommittees of
the Planning Commission, so that by December 10, 1973, the City Council can act on
� these requirements if�all the necessary plans are supplied by the 1Ja11 Corporation.
(See attached memo outlining the dates of the committee meetings)
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COUilCILf�iAN TIt�I BREIDER
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NOVEMBER 2, 1973 ��
Because of the difficulty of finalizing the development of this property in
the past, the City staff has come up with a possible development plan which would
allow on this property the following:
1. Development of 23 residential lots meeting the minimum standards of
the City Code.
2. It t��oulct allow a 22 - 3 story apartment building having 130 units at
a renta1 rate suggested earlier, taking into consideration the
fol l o��vi ng :
a} Keeping the building within the R-3 zoned area. ,
b� Providing a6out BO garage stalls which is a litt7e over 1/3 of
ihe total needed parking stalls.
c) Providing recreational facilities in the building, includang
indoor swimm�ing pool, sauna, party room and exercise room.
d� Ke�ping all the ponding and drainage facilities outside the
proposed platted residential 1ots. The upkeep and maintenance
� of these areas to 5e part of the apartment complex.
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e) Outdoor recreationa1 facilities will 6e: two tennis courts,
. tat lot, picnic faci1ities, skating area, walking paths with
lights, wa�er circulation system in ponds with fountain.
f) Preserving heavy grove of trees in the northerly area of the
property, and developing a picnic area and tot lot in this
location.
g) Providing good andscaping and screening.
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h) Providing eta�fence, i'f necessary, to fence off the area which
avill b� part of the apartment complex.
i) Proper water circulation and upkeep of the ponding area with the
adequate overfloti�� storage area to meet the drainage requirements.
We vrould like your input to see if this is what you feel the neighborhood
•vroulc� approve of, and i�f there are any other items' or restrictions you f�el ���e
should discuss v�iih the developer. This information is being supplied to you in
the spiri� of resolving the total development of this area as quickly as possible
so they can get construction going for til1S project yet this year.
I: would also suggest that probably one of the conditions of the approval of
� the plan should be that there will be two houses completed on 7th Street, one on
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ANOKA COUNTY
6431 UNIVERSITY AVENUE NE November 2, 1973 fRIDLEY, MINNESOTA 5542t
Mr. Rudolph Dante
Wa11 Corporation
8030 Cedar Avenue South
Bloomington, Mn 55420
Dear Mr. Dante:
Enclosed find the necessary applications for the processing
of your new apartment-single family development on the Riedel
property. � .
We have already s�:arted the advertising procedure for the
new development appraval. The City schedule for plan approval
is as follows:
Baard of Appeals meeting on area variance is November 13,
1973,
Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee
meeting for preliminary plat approval is November 14, 1973.
Planning Commission preliminary plat Public Hearing will
be on Novembe� 21, 1973. �
City Council final plat Public Hearing, variance and building
permit consideration is scheduled for December 10, 1973.
The Building Standards-Design Control 5ubcommittee is scheduled
to meet on November�8th and�December 6th, however, a special
meeting could be called.if these meetings do no-� make it possible
for a final recommendation to Council on December 10, 1973. The
Building Standards Subcommittee will need a plot plan and building
elevations before they would be able to act ori your building permit
request.
Since we are working on a very tight schedule, we will need
all material from you as soon as possible.
If you have any questions please call me.
DC/de ,
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Since ely,
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D IZ�EL CLARFi
Commuriity Development Admin�strator�