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PL 05/08/1974 - 31171� �1 � n �ti '� - CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CALL TO ORDER: MAY 8, 1974 PAGE 1 Chairman Fitzpatrick called the meeting to order at 8:03 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, Lindblad, Fitzpatrick, Drigans(8:30) Members Absent: Blair Others Present: Darrel Clark, Community Development Aclministrator James Langenfeld, Chairmans Environmental Quality Commission W.. H. Cheeseman, Deputy Adjutant General Minnesot� A. R. N. f�. APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 17, 1974 MOTION by LindbZad, seconded by Harris, to approve the minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of Apri1 17, Z974 as written. Upon a voice v:ote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BOARD UF APPEALS SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: APRIL 23, 1974 MOTION by Harris, seconded by LindbZad to receive the minutes of the �3oard of Appea.Zs Subcommittee meeting of April 23, 1974. Upon a voice vote, a1I voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE BUILDING STANDARDS-DESIGN CONTROL SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: APRIL 25, 1974 Mr. Harris asked Mr. Lindblad what had been decided about the driveways of the library site and the Wall Corporation development. Mr. Lindblad said it was left that the Wall Corporation take care of the retaining wall because the library was not altering the land. Mr. Harris asked if the Council gave.final approval for the library or i€ they, were going to wait for the development of the Wall property. Mr. Lindblad said they gave approval of the concept, but there was � a question.on how the two proposals would blend with each other. MOTION by Lindblad, seconded b� Harris, to receive the minutes of the Building 5tandards-Design Control Subcommittee meeting of Apri1 25, 1974. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unani- mously. _ RECEIVE PLATS & SUBDIVISIONS-STREETS & UTILITIES SUBCOMMITTEE MINUTES: MAY l, 1974 MOTION the Plats & May 1, 1974. unanimously. by Harris, seconded by Lindb2ad, to receive the minutes of Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee meeting of Upon a voice vote, alI voting aye,-:the motion carried � �1 � Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 2 �RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 9, 1974 , MOT.ION by Harris, seconded by Lindb.Zad, to receive the minutes of the Environmental Quality Co.mmission meetinq of ApriZ 9, 1974 Upon�a voice vote a11 voting aye, the motion' carried unanimously. Mr. Harris said he had a couple of questions. He said a motion had been made at this meeting that the Metropolitan Recycling Center be contacted. He asked Mr. Langenfeld what information he had received. � Mr. Langenfeld said he had talked to a Mr. Tim McDonald and he � had said that they were presently�.:nvolved in an expansion program so he could not appear before the Council until late June, but he did give him the following information. The recycling center had to be on City owned progerty and be accessible to a tr.uck. The site must have toilet facilities and provide shelter. A man must be on the premises, preferably a handicapped man from this area. The income derived from the recycling center would provide the income to pay this man and any excess income would go to the Metropolitan Recycling Center. This center cannot be set up on a voluntary basis, it must h�ave permanent- help. It would be under the complete control of the Metropolitan Recycling Center but they would discuss any problems with the City. He said that if the City can find a spot for this and there is interest, Mr. McDonald would give the complete details to the Council. Mr. Harris asked if they would be looking for a site with a /'1� building on the site. Mr. Langenfeld said the City just has to find ..the area for this center and a small shed could be put on the site and as far as toilet facilities, they could use the type they use at the ball games. P�1 �"1 Mr. Harris asked what the Council's react�on was to this proposal. Mr. Langenfeld said that the: Mayor said they would look into the possibility of finding a location. Mr. Lindblad asked what type of things would be handled by this center. Mr�. Langenfe3:d said it would be such things as glass, tin cans, corregated cardboard, etc. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 22, 1974 MOTIOIV by Lindblad, seconded by Xarris, that the PZanning Commission receive the Parks & Recre.��tion Commission minutes of the April 22, 1974 meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. CONTINUED: PUBLIC HEARING: REZONING REQUEST, ZOA #74-02, BERKELEY PUMP COMPANY: To rezone Lot 1 and �, Block 13, Spring Brook Park Addition, from R-1 (single family dwelling areas) to M-1 (light industrial areas) to make zoning consistent with the _ property lines at 181 Ely Street N.E. Mr. Leland Snead was present to represent the petitioner. Public Hearing open. � � �� /"` �'1 Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 �� Pa e 3 Mr. Clark said that the Berkeley Pump Company owns property at the corner of Ashton and Ely. At the present time, half of the property is zoned industrial and the balance is zoned R-l. At the original Public Hearing on this request there were two things discussed, On.e was if the petitioner would go alang with a special use on the R-1 property rather than rezoning, and the second was that he appear befo�e the Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee with his plans for fencing and landscaping. He said that Mr. Snead did appear before this Subcommittee, and they recommended approval of his plan. Since the first Public Hearing, the petitioner has indicated that Berkeley Pump would like to have a loading dock and a storage area . on the property present�ly zoned R-l. While everything else they want to do to improve this site could be done with a Special Use Permit, the property would have to be rezoned to M-1 to have the loading dock in this area'. Mr. Clark continued that the staff thought Mr. Snead has presented�a reasonable plot plan. They will be replacing the fence, adding some curbing and shrubbery which will make a great improvement to this site. Mr. Clark said that even if this property was rezoned, it could not be used to"expand the building, without a variance, because of the setback requirements. � Mr. Snead presented a survey of this property. He said Lots 1 and 2 were zoned R-1 and Lots 3, 4 and 5 were zoned M-l. He said they were presently using 24 per cent of the land area of this property. He said that according to the zoning requirement on M-1 property they eould use 40 per cent of the total area of the property, but because of the setback requirements because of the x-1 property across Ashton and 3 lots across Ely that were zoned R-l. The balance of the:property on El�.is zoned M-1 and the property East and West of. the property is zoned M-1. - - ' Mr. Snead presented the final plat plan. He said the Building Standards-Design Control Subcommittee had requested that he talk to some nursery people and come up with a good plan for landscaping and developmfnt. This plan shows the type of plantings, the fence line and the parking area which exceed the parking requirement. We are required to have 8 parking stalls and we have 10. . Chairman Eitzpatrick asked if the loading dock was already existing, Mr. Snead said it wasn't. Mr. Clark said that loading docks are a legal encroachment on the side yard in M-1 zoning, but it wouldn't be allowed if this property remained R-1. Mr. Snead said this loading dock would be shielded by screening and trees. Mr. Snead sa�id that had strived for the maximum amount of design and appearance with ease of maintenance and this was the most maintenancE free plan they could come up with. Mr. Harris asked if the planting areas were within the property lines of if they extended into the boulevard? Mr. Snead said there was only about a 2 foot boulevard in this area. Mr. Clark said that ,'"�, normally the boulevard should be five feet, unless this could have ^ happened when they widened this street. Mr. Clark said the curbing would ha�e to be 20 feet from the property line. Mr. Snead said they could adjust the curb to make it 20 feet. Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 4 n ' Mr. Harris told Mr. Snead to be sure that the trunks of the � trees being planted were inside the property line. MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Harris, that ihe Planning Commissic cl�ose the Public Hearing on rezoning request, ZOA #74-02, by Berkeley Pump Company. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � Mr. Clark said that in addition to the loading dock, they would be placing a small structure on the property for L.P. tanks. Mr. - � Snead said this wouldn't be on the loading dock. It would be in the. storage area, inside the fence. Mr. Fitzpatrick said that when this petition was first brought before the Planning Commission, there were neighbors present who objected to this�property being rezoned, but were not opposed to the granting of a Special Use Permit. Mr. Clark said that the neighbors felt they didn't want industrial zoning expanded in this area, but they were ir favor of the improve- ments that were going to be made. Mr. Snead said the neighbors were � also concerned that we might expand our building out toward Ashton and this would cause additional traffic for the children going to the park. Mr. Fitzpatrick said the original proposal could have been ��� handled with a Special Use Permit, but with the plan being expanded to i�clude a loading dock, it would now require rezoning so, in this � context, the plan has been changed. Mr. Clark said this loading is going to be inside a screening fence. At the present time, the loading dock is in front of the building. This new plan is a better plan even if it does involve rezoning. Mr. Snead said this was the only thing in their proposal that couldn't be handled by a Special Use Permit. �Mr. Clark said that bec.ause Berkeley Pump wants to move the loading dock away from the fron�t of the building, and for resale reasons, this is whX they have decided to continue their request for rezoning instead of going along with a Special Use Permit. � Mr. Fitzpatrick asked about the building for the L.P. tanks. Mr. Clark said this would be such a small building, it prcbably wouldn't even reguire a building permit. MOTION by Narris, seconded by Lindblad, to table the request for rezoning, ZDA #74-02, by Berkeley Pump Company until the 4th member to be present arrived at the meeting. Upon•a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried. ,� �(Mr. Drigans arrived at 8:30 and at the conclusion of the Public n Hearing on the Armory proposal for Fridley, this item was returned to.) Mr. Clark explained the discussion on this item to Nlr. Drigans. Mr. Drigans said the only question he had was if there were going to°be variances ne�ded on this request. Mr. Cla�k said no, not on what , Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 19T4 �''� Page 5 r"'� 'the petitioner was asking for at this time. n�J MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commissic � recommend to Council approval of the rezoning request, ZOA #74-02, by Beikeley Pump Company, to rezone Lo.ts 1 and�2, Block 13, Spring Brook Park Addition, from R-1 (single family dwelling areas) to M-1 (light industrial areas) to make zoning consistent with the property Iines at 181 EIy Street N.F., with the stipulation that the rezoned property be developed as shown on Exhibit A, except that fhe curbing be moved in 20 feet from the property 1ine. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, - . the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBLIC HEARING: ARMORY PROPOSAL FOR FRIDLEY General Cheeseman was present. Chairman Fitzpatrick said the Planning Commission was approac�ed a year ago in March, along with other Planning Commissions of the North and West suburbs, by the Minnesota National Guard and asked�to take under consideration the possibility of having an armory located �_in Fridley, at some future time. At that time, the request was for , a commitment= that 5 acres be set aside for this purpose, which has since �een reduced to less acreage. Mr. Fitzpatrick said the members of the Planning Commission felt at that time that no action should be taken because they did not want to commit 5 acres of land for a period of up to ten years without any assurance that we would be chosen as a '`�'`' site for an armory. Since that time, 4 of the 5 members of the Planninc � Commission have changed, and there has been renewed interest in this ' proposal by some members of the City staff and the City Council. We were asked by Council to reconsider this proposal and that is the reason for this Public Hearing. General Cheeseman said the proposal by the Department of Military Affairs, which is an agency of the State of Minnesota, is to establish a City of Fridley National Guard unit and the building of an armory to house it. This not only calls for a�ammitment• by the City of Fridley, but also by the State of Minnesota. . It calls for a civic committment to support the guard unit and also the donation of land.by the City which has to be between 2.8 and 3 acres. � General Cheeseman continued that he was at this time, able to give a firm commitment in regard to a programmed �-��ar for the first �armory to be built in the Minneapolis suburbs. We would like to proceed with the City of Fridley, with const�uction in the fiscal year of 1977. The Federal government pays 75% of the cost of this construction. The remainder of the cost, 25�, is divided between the State and the City on a 40�'.to 60o basis. We have to guarantee the Federal government that the primary use of this building is militar� We can build, in tYiis basic armory, other features which the City �� of Fridley might desire. This can be additional rooms or additional �1 features. The use of the armory for �ivic uses is free. The State of Minnesota picks up the cost of the utilities and custodial service5. . After the building is paid for, it becomes the property of the State . of Minnesota. The armory will be built by the Minnesota State Armory r"� n �. Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 6 Commission and they float the bonds. This is all covered by State statute. With a 100 man guard unit, there would be 1 full time duty man and one janitor. If this armory was rented by an organization that was going to make a profit on this use, there would be a minimal fee.� For a dance, for instance, the rental fee would be somewhere around $75.00. Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts,, and youth groups are usually not charged any rental. He said that in one City, a youth group has three rooms on a year-round basis and uses the armory for a dance every Friday- night, and the yearly fee for this is $2,000. A small group that used the armory on a weekly basis could be charged a minimal charge. Mr. Fitzpatrick said they seemed to have a policy on charging a fee to those who coul�d afford to pay the fee. General Cheeseman said these rental fees aren't to make a profit, just to cover the difference between what the State pays and what the additional costs are for extra use of the building. That's why the charges were minimal. Mr. Clark said the City staf� had gone over the City maps and probably the most likely place for an armory location would be between the Ice Arer.a and the City Garage. This is open land owned by the City. It is not park property and the City would not be losing a tax base. Mr. Lindblad asked if based on today's rates, how much would an armory cost right now. General Cheeseman �aid they are costing between $450,000 to $500,000. Of this the Federal Government pays �'� 75o which would leave about $135,000 to $150,000 to be picked up by the Gity and the State. The City's share of this would be between � $75�,000 to $90,000. He said the bond issue they have for a new armory in Hastings, Minnesota runs 60. The�, payment will be $14,,000 a year for 18 years. The State of Minnesota pays $5,000 a year, which � leaves the City of Hastings with a$9,000 a year payment. Mr. Lindblad asked how big this armory was. Mr. Cheeseman said it was 18,000 square feet. � � r� Mr. Peter Treuenfels; 5460 7th Street N.E., asked �eneraIl.Cheesemar. to explain what he meant by.a civic commitment. �. General Cheeseman said this is tied in very closely to what the National Guard is. T�ie National Guard is the only military organizatior, that is mentioned by name in the articles of the Constitution six times. In our form of government, the citizens form the largest portion of our military defensq force. It is our way, in this country, to have a military force at the cheapest expense to the taxpayer, by having a military reserve to the regular army. With every National Guard unit in the State of Minnesota, there is also formed within the community a citizen°s committee. This is the bridge between the military organization and the citizens and governing body of the City. A National Guard unit requires your support. This is a patriotic organization that is completely an avocation_ of civilians, rather than a vocation. VJe cannot sell the National Guard to the young men of Fridley without this support. � , Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 19?4 �' Page 7 , � ^ • Mr. Drigans said we have received a communication from the Governor's office some time ago, saying a 204th Medical Unit would �'` like to locate in Fridley. Is this unit we would get? General Cheeseman . said this is the unit that would come to Fridley, but if you are familia with the army, they are always in the process of reorganization, which they call progress, and the type of unit could change. He said th� within� ��5 years,.90o of this unit would be from the Fridley area and the officers would be from the Fridley area. This would be the Fridley armory. It would be the home of the Fridley National Guard unit. It would be used for the military one week-end a month. The balance of -�' . . the month, it can be used for any civic function or used on a rental basis. � � Mr. Frank Novak, 6241 5th Street N.E., said there was an armory in Anoka, and he couldn't see why they would want to locate another armo�y in Fridley. There wa.s also a large armory in Minneapolis. General Cheeseman said the armory in downtown Minneapolis was built in 1934 and it is just a huge bare building. The rooms are very small. We don't have any parking room and it does not lend itself . to training. We want to decentralize the units of this armory and ' �"relocate these units in five suburbs of tlie Twin Cities. He said he had presented this proposal to New Brighton, Brooklyn Park, Plymouth, Bloomington, Minnetonka, and others. The days of going downtown to join a National Guard unit are over. The reason we want to have an armory in Anoka and Fridley is because there are several thousand ��'''� people living between the two areas. •'Mr. Langenfeld asked if there would ever be the possibility that we could have an armory and not have a unit for this armory. General Cheeseman said that in the history of the National Guard in Minnesota, only one armory has been closed. That was in Crosby, Minnesota and there the National Guard didn't leave, the City left. General Cheeseman said that at the present time they have a program where they are asking businessmen to sign a pledge that they will have no objection to any of their employees taking time off for training and other duties iri the National Guard. Mr. Harris saicl he . thought this was covered by State statute. General Cheeseman said it was, bu�t this couldn't stop an employer from taking other action against the employee. He said some�people are scheduled to work on Saturday or Sunday, and they have to take time off to train one week- end a month. If the employer has signed a voluntary statement that he agrees to an employee switching his hours.karound to accommodate "this training, it makes it a lot easier to belong to the National Guard. Chairman Fizpatrick read a memo from James Hill, Public Safety Director, to the City Manager, dated June 8, 1973, in which Mr. Hill gave his opinion on how an armory could be used by the Police Department of the City. We have also had, before this Com mission, Paul Brown, � Parks & Recreation�Director, who stated the recreational use that could �'�` be made of an armory, and we have a memo from Robert Aldrich, Director i''1 of Civil Defense, to the City Manager, dated June 12, 1973, in which he states his reasons for being in favor of an armory in Fridley. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this property would be fenced. General �� Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 8 �—., Cheeseman said the only part that would be fenced w�ald be the area where the vehicle hard stand was in the rear of the building. He /""`�'`� said this would be a nice looking building, one that the City could be proud of, and it would be nicely landscaped. He said they only keep.l0 to 15 vehicles at the armory location. They have a place in New Brighton where most of the vehicles are stored. Mr. Drigans asked General Cheeseman what type of action is required of the City if they want an�armory located in Fridley. General Cheeseman said they need a resolution of intent from the City Council and a pledge of support of the National Guard unit. We will hold the location of the armory that is to be built in 1977 until � we hear from Fridley. Mr. Fitzpatrick said he was disappointed in that of all the civic organizations.contacted in regard to this Public Hearing that we have only received a written response from three. He said these � organizations were all favorable to having an armory located in Fridley although they d�idn°•t state any specific use they could make of such a facility. Mr. John Caldwell, 5874 Hackmann Avenue N.E.,�asked if there would be a long column of vehicles going through Frid�ey when the Guard unit was going to camp. General Cheeseman said one of the requirements af the armory proposal was that it had to have access to a good road system, so he was sure they wouldn't be on Fridley roads that much. �, i� Mr. Earl E1lenwood, from the Fridley Senior Citizens group, wanted to know if this group would have to pay rental�on the use of the armory. General Cheeseman said this would be determined by whether this was on a regular schedule or not. Mr. Drigans said that when General Cheeseman was here before, he stated that if the City would want to add to the facilities of the armory, such as a larger kitchen, that we would have to pay the� additional expense. G�neral Cheeseman said that anything the�.Guard can share the use of, the State of Minnesota would share the cost. Chairman Fitzpatrick asked General Cheeseman how many years the City could have to pay for an armory. General Cheeseman said it would be up to the City. Some want 10 years, 12 years, 18 years, 25 years or more, or else they paid it all at once. He said they went 40 years on one armory, but they would never do this again. Mr. Tiarris asked what the interest rate would be on the unpaid bal�r�ce. General Cheeseman said what ever we can get it for. This would be determined bY the interest •rate on the bonds. 4�Te take the best rate we can get. . Mr. Lindblad asked that if the City did not choos�e to alter the .�lans for the armory at the time it was built, and then later decided �`�`; they wanted expanded facilities, would the Federal government share ^ in this eost? General Cheeseman said they would not. _��.�i ,''� ��. � � Planning Comim.ssion Meeting - May 8, 1974 �' Pa'ge 9 MOTION by Lindblad, seconded by Harris, that the Planning G'ommission cZose the Public Hearing on the Armory proposal for Fridley. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. �Mr. Drigans said there is land available for this armory that is not being used. It looks like our cost is going to be between $6,000 to $12,000 a year. There does seem to be a recreational use for this armory. The organizational imput we have gotten on this request is not very much in relationship to the number of organizations that were contacted, but what we have rE:ceived has been favorable to this request. He said this would be a nice facility � for our City. He said he��:was in favor of asking the Council to proceecl in securing an armory for Fridley. � Mr. Harris said he� had some question in his mind about the $90,000 tax burden for the citizens of Fridley. Somehow, we are going to have to justify that. He said he didn't know if this money was going to come out of the general revenue or if there ' would be a mill levy on the real estate taxes. This will cost $3.00 per head for every man, woman, and child in Fridley. We might find some money in the Parks and Recreation fund, as they will benefit quite a bit from this armory. He felt there were advantages to having a National Guard armory in the City of Fridley. He said he agreed with Mr. Dri.gans that we would not be taking any land off of the tax rolls, and the land is probably not going to be used for anything else, so this is no detriment. Mr. Harris said he thought the National Guard has gotten a kind of bad image at tHis time, which they are trying to improve. Gen�ral Cheeseman asked him i€ he was referring to the Minnesota National Guard? Mr. Harris said he just meant in general, especially as far as Kent State is concerned. General Cheeseman said the National Guard has been in existence for over 300 years and he didn't think the Minnesota. National Guard should be judged by this incident. � Mr. Harris said he was not against the National Guard. He said he had belonged to the National Guard for seven years. He said that one of the things that disturbed him was that we could start out with a medical unit and wind up with something else. He said that as 90% of this unit would be from Fridley, we would like some guarantee that the unit we start with would be around for a few years. Mr. Harris said it seemed as if they have to reorganize every three or four year. Gageral Cheeseman said the last time was in 1968. Mr. Lindblad said he agreed have said with the exception that input we did get, they didn't say this armory even though they were in general with what the other members the little bit of organizational how their organizations could use in favor of this proposal. Mr. Lindblad said that in our previous discussions, we have been talking about shari�ng the cost based on today's costs. By the time �� this armory is built the cost will be more, in addition to what we �1 may want to add to this armory. He said he thought we should be - thinking about the City's cost being $130,000 to $150,000 before we are through. He said that if this cost was spread over 20 years, w.��. � � �� \� �� ,. Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 � Pag.e 10 the cost is still not that excessive. We would be getting a building that cost over $500.000. Chairman Fitzpatrick said he has heard a lot of figures being used�and he said his figures were that on a$500,000 building with the Federal government picking up 750 of the cost and the remaining 25o being picked up by the State and City, that the City's cost should be $75,000. He asked General Cheeseman how much the State and City portion of the cost for an armory had been amounting to. General Cheeseman said it was between $135,000 to $150,000. The more the City wants to add to an armory, the more it is going to cost the , State and the City. The Federal government's cost will stay the same. The cost to the City would depend upon how long it was amortized. General Cheeseman said State law says how this has to be pa.id. It has to be a mill tax against property. Ch�irman Fitzpatrick said we will have to determine on what basis we are going to base our decision to recommend approval or denial of the request. We have had input from �arious departments of the City stating what their use would be of this armory. We have had very few statements from any organization or citizens of the community. Mr. Drigans said if we were going to make a recommendation in favor of this proposal, he would like to see some cost figures go along with the recommmendation so the Council could evaluate how � much this was going to cost each individual in Fridley, or each home �� � in Fridley in regard to property taxes. /�1 �� Mr. Clark said the City Assessor could help prepare a statement on how much this would cost each homeowner. Mr. Harris said if the cost was $10,000 a year, it would add $1 a year to the property tax. Mr. Clark said that commercial and industrial property would pick up part of the cost, so it might not cost each homeowner that much. Mr. Lindblad said he knew they would have to make a decision, but in his opinion, he wasn't really in favor of this proposal. It didn't seem�to him that anyone in the City was really pushing fo.r this armory. He didn't think therev�ere that many benef its in having an armory. � Mr. Drigans said he £elt that there were no facilities in the City that could accommodat� a large group: He said there were no facilities for dances, banquets, or awarZ ceremonies for youths involved in sgorts. He said there were 500 youths involved in some of these procyrams and they had to be brok�n up into small groups to present awards �He said he has been associated with several organizations, youth groups and the Jaycee's and unless it is a group of under 25 people, there aren't any facilities available for large groups. Mr. Drigans said he didn't think the Minnesota National Guard has ever had a problem with their reputation. He said they were a great help to Fridley in 1965. In 1968, the Jaycees had a project where they helped Hazelhurst, Mississippi; who had"a tornado�disaster similar to the one in Fridley. The National Guard flew all the materials, foodstuffs and elothing we had collected to Hazelhurst at no cost. Mr. Fitzpatrick said these services were available whether there was an armory located in Fridley��or not. _ �� � n �� . . ... .... . . ... .. . . �Zanning Commission Meeting - May 8, 19Z4 .. Page T1 Chairman Fitzpatrick said that when the Council asked us to reconsider this proposal they did ask specifically for cost formulas and a date for construction. . MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Narris, that the Planning Commissior. recommend that the CounciZ act favorably in working with the State of Minnesota in establishing a National Guard Unit and Armory in the City of Fridley, on pub.�ic property Zocated between the Ice Arena and the City Garage, and along with this recommendation, direct the City Administration to provide Council with suffircient financial information so they can determine whether such action wouZd be financially feasible for the ciiizens of the community, as we do have a definite date of •the year 1977 for the construction of an armory. Mr. Harris said a determination would have to be made 3f the establishing of a National Guard unit as well.as the building will be an asset to the City of Fridley. Mr. Drigans said this will be another facility we will have for indoor recreational activity. Mr. �Lindblad said you can always show a need for something. He �said he knew the armory would have its uses, but this was the argument given for adding an auditorium to the high school. He said he felt we were not using what we have now. Mr. Drigans said he might want to amend his motion that if the �'� City Council does take favorable action on this proposal and forms _ a co�mittee to study any additional uses they would like to have in ' this facility, that the Planning Commission be asked to take part in these discussions. MOTION b� Drigans, seconded by Harris, to amend the original motion by requesting Council to recommend an advisory group to work with the architect on any additionaZ needs of the City in expanding the facility. �Mr. L.indblad said if the armory proposal is approvec�, where do they stop with these additions. Right now its set at 18,000 square � feet at X amount of dollars. Al1 of a sudden they may want facilities for a tennis tournament, a basketball tournament and facilities to feed a thousand people. Now we are not talking $90,000, we're going way beyond that figure. Chairman Fitzpatrick said that is the point of the amendment. It was felt that there should be a committee to negotiate this. UPON A VOICE VOTE ON THE AMENDED MOTION, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. • Mr. Drigans said he thought the Planning Director, Finance � Director, the Parks & Recreation Director and other members of the n City staff should be part of this advisory committee to determine what the City's needs and costs would be. Mr. Harris said this is going to provide some, but not all, of the ,--� �--. Planning Comirassion Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 12 rec�eation needs the City has. It's a case of getting what you pay for. If we just want a basic armory, it is not going to pnovide the things that various members of the City staff said they would like to have in this armory. . Mr. Fitzpatrick said his feeling was that if this armory proposal goes through, people would have the illusion that we were solving our indoor recreation n�9blems,, and he didn't think we were. He said 10 years from now when Fridley might be looking for a building for indoor recreation, he didn't want people to say they thought this was why we had an armory. _ Mr. Lindblad said he agrees with Mr. Fitzpatrick. He said the peogle he has talked to are thinking of an armory as some sort of civic center, and no matter what you tell them on what the armory will provide, they will still think they are getting something else. • Mr. Harris asked Mr. Lindblad if he felt we wern't getting our dollar vGlue out of this building? Mr. Lindblad said he felt we were getting our dollar value, but he still felt people have a misconception on what facilities could be provided by an armory without the cost being much higher that what we have been'talking abbut at this meeting. Mr. Harris asked�if anyone thought the people would be willing to pay for what they want. Mr. Lindblad said no. Chairman.Fitzpatr.ick said that if they were, we would already have an indoor facility for ��� recreational purposes. �"'1 . UPON A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THE ORIGINAL MOTION, HARRIS, AYE, LINDBLAD, NAY, DRZ'GANS, AYE, FITZPATRICK, ABSTAINING, THE MOTION CARRIED. � � Chairman Fitzpatrick said he abstained because he was not convinced that this will provide what we want it to provide, Until negotiations continue, until there is a Public Hearing by the Council, and after we know in more detail what this will be, he telt he was not ready to recommend that Council take favorable action. To recommend to Council they they consider it and pursue it, he had no objection to that. He said he thought the Planning Commission has done what the Council asked them to do. We have made a recommenda�ion, along with the time schedule and cost. 3. gUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDE:2ATION OF A PRELINiINARY PLAT, P.S. #74-02, GRACE HIGH SCHOOL ADDITION BY JEROME N. JULIUS: Being a�replat .� of"the"Southwest Quarter.of the Northeast Quarter of Section 24, � and that part of the Southeast Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 24, except that part already platted as Parkview Manor and Parkview Heights Addition, generally known as the Grace High. School property, South of Gardena Avenue. Mr. Jerome Julius was present. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Li�ndblad, that the Planning , Commission waive the reading of the Public Hearing notice on the . preliminary p1at, P.S. #74-02, Grace Nigh Scho.ol Addition, by Jerome N. Julius. Upon a voice vote, al1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ��, _ � Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 13 � Mr. Clark said this item was before the Plats & Subdivisions- ' Streets & Utilities Subcommittee on May 1, 1974. Along with the approval of this request, there were five stipulations. The f i£th stipulation is about an easement for a bike-way and walkway. The present bikeway-walkway plan that is being considered by the Council in the Comprehensive Park Plan, the bike-way is not in this location at all. It goes up Arthur Street past the A-frame building in the � . park. As we probably can foresee sidewalks in this ar�a, in the future, this should be changed to a sidewalk easement on the East side of Matterhorn Drive, the South side of Gardena and the West side of • Arthur Street. � � �'` Mr. Clark said the Archdiocese of St. Paul is platting all the land they own. Block 1 is where Grace High School and their recreation facilities are located. Across from Matterhorn Drive, they are platting 14 R-1 lots. Matterhorn does bend, so the depth of these lots vary from 143 feet deep on the North to 330 feet deep on the South. These lots back up tY,e lots that face Tennison. Chairman F.itzpztrick asked why ther� was no requirement for park dedication? Mr. Clark said that at the present time, the City is using recreational facilities of Grace High School, such as the hockey rink, track f ield, and tennis court. It was felt that because of this situation, the park dedication shoul.d be waived. Mr. Fitz- patrick asked about the developer of the R-1 lots. Mr. Clark said this was owned by the Archdior�se of St. Paul also. Mr. Clark went through the five stipulations of the Plats & Sub- divisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee. Mr. Harris asked Mr. Clark if there was any problem of any of these lots being unbuildable as far as elevations. Mr. Clark said the plat was a little higher in the South and some of this could be brought up to the North portion of the plat, otherwise the lots were quite f lat. Chairman Fitzpatrick asked if Grace High School used all the property East of Matterhorn. Mr. Clar.k said they did. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if Matterhorn Drive was completed. N�ir. Clark said it was and that was part of the reas.on for this plat, because of the special assessments, so they could sell this portion of the pr.operty. Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Clarlc to,explain about the utilities and drainage again. � Mr. Clark said they have asked for.an Engineering prof ile on this plat, so it could be determined if the drainage from this plat �� �could be surface drainage to the street, or if there was a need for � a storm sewer. He said that Mr. Julius stated at the meeting of May lst that Northwestern Bell had already contacted him about changing the utilities on this plat, and as the telephone and electric lines are� ' usuall� on th� same pole, this should mean that all the utilities would be underground. Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 14 � � Mr. Drigans asked if this meant that all the utilities would � be underground in this area. Mr. Clark said that the utilities are already underground in Innsbruck. In a new development, there is no cost for underground utilities, but if the existing facilities are�converted to-underground, then there is a cost. There is no problem of going from overhead to underground utilities from one area to another. Mr. Frank Caputa, 5841 Tennison Drive, said there will be no access to his back yard with the development of this plat. Mr. Clark said that was correct, that there were not very many places • in Fridley where there is back yard access. Mr. Gary Johns, 5832 Tennison Drive, asked if these lots were going to be used for one family dwellings or if they would be rezoned. Mr. Clark said this is being platted a R-1 lots and there has been no�request for rezoning. Mr. Julius said they had no intention of rezoning this property. There were just interested in selling it, but this was difficult to do without it being glatted. . , Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Julius if this would be sold to one developer Mr. Julius said this was the preference. Mrs. Joanne Elwell, 5866 Hackmann Avenue N.E., asked how much in ��� the �uture these sidewalks would be put in. She said she has children who walk to schdol in this area, and would like to see the sidewalks put in. Mr. Clark said that as far. as this plat is concerned, all we are asking for is dedication of the right of way for sidewalks so they would have the right of way when they want to put sidewalks in. MOTION by Harris, seconed by Lindblad, that the PZanning Commission close the Public Hearing on the request.for a preZimary plat, P.S..#74-0 Grace High School Addition, by Jerome Julius, Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Clark if this plat met all the requirements? Mr. Clark said we haven't gotten the Engineering profile yet or obtained the sidewalk easement, but the lots do meet the size require- ments and water and sewer, and the streets were in. Mr. Drigans said these are quite large lots. Mr. Fitzpatrick said the �ots South of this plat are quite large also. Mr. Julius said he thought this area could be compared with�Innsbruck and they wanted the lots to be this large. _ MOTION by Harris, seconded by Lindblad., that the Planning Commissiot recommend=to Counci�'approva? of the preZiminary p1at, P.S. #74-02, Grace Nigh School Addition, by Jerome N. JuZius, a replat of the South- r..1 ' 'west Quarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 24, and that part of ^ the Southeast guarter of the Northwest Quarter of Section 24, except that part already platted as Parkview Manor and Parkview Neights ' Addition, generally known as the Grace High SchooZ property, South of ' • Gardena Avenue, with the folZowing stipuZation's: Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 15 !"1 n 1. Provide underground utilities. 2. Work with the Engineering Department on drainage and eZevati�ns. 3. Developer of property plant one tree on each 1ot, 1'� to 2 inche in diameter. - 4. Negotiate with City on use of existing recreationaZ facilities of Grace High School, in lieu of park dedication. • 5. Negotiate with City for a five foot sidewaZk easerrrent East of Matterhorn Drive, South side of Garc�ena Avenue, and the West side of Arthur Street. UPON a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 4. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP #74-06, BY GERALD L. BLOMS: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 2, A, to allow construction of a second accessory building on Lot 5, Block 3, Parkview Manor, the same being 5845�Hackmann Avenue N.E. Mr. Gerald Bloms was present. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Harris, that the Planning Commission ��' waive the reading of the PuY+1ic Hearing notice on the request for a Special Use Perri�it, SP #74-06, by Gerald L. B.Zoms. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bloms said he wanted to build a detached 22 ft. x 24 ft. � garage in his back yard. He has a single attached garage and this is too small. He has a car, pick-up truck, boat, 2 snowmob�:les and other things to store, and he needs this garage for storage of these items. Mr. Fitzpatrick asked how much room he has on the side of his house for a driveway for this garage. Mr. Bloms said he�thought he had 14 feet. Mr. Clark said the survey shows he has 12 feet, but this was enough room for a single driveway. Mr. Bloms said the garage would have the same exterior as his house. Mr. George Rapaich, 5858 Hackmann Avenue N.E., said his question was whether this second garage was going to be used for storage, or ' if it was going to be used for mechanical work. He said he wouldn't want to see cars sitting in the street on mechanical work going on late at night. Mr. Bloms said he works.on his own car when it was necessary, but he has no intention of working on other people's cars. '^ Mr. Harris asked the petitioner why he was placing this gara e /�1 g so far back on the lot. Mr. Bloms said he had some trees he wanted� - to save and it wouldn't take so much of his back yard at this location. 0 Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Bloms if he was the original owner of the Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 16 � � n . house. Mr. Bloms said he wasn't. Mr. Drigans said he noted that the front setback was only 30 feet and the setback requirement is 35 feet. �"� r"'` Mr. Harris asked Mr. Bloms if he would be ptxtting any utilities in this garage. Mr. Bloms said only electricity. � MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Commission c.Zose the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #74-06, by Gerald L. BZoms. Upon a voice vote, aI1 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Drigans, seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Commis.sion recommend to Council approval of the requ�st for a Special Use Permit, 5P #74-06, by Gerald L. Bloms, per Fridley Cit� Code, Section 205.051, 2, A, to d110W construction of a second accessory building on Lot 5, Block 3, Parkview Manor, the same being 5845 Hackmann Avenue N.E., with the stipulation that it not be nsed for a hoine occupaiion. Upon a voice vote, alI voting a�e, the motion carried unanimousl�. 5. LOT SPLIT REQUEST: L.S. #74-01, WALLACE It. D13:HL: Split off the West 10 feet of Lot 29, and add it to Lots 25, 26, 27 and 28, Block J, Riverview Heights, to make one building site. (590 Fairmont Street N.E.) . Mr. Wallace�Dah1 was present. Mr. Clark said this request did not come in in time to go to the Plats & Subdivisions-Streets & Utilities Subcommittee meeting, but after studying the request, it seemed like such a routine lot split that there didn't seem any reason to object to this request. He said this request was made because the garage for 590 Fairmont is partly on Lot 29, and with this lot split, the gar.age will meet the sideyard setback requirement. The two building sites created by this lot split will be 90 feet for 580 Fairmont and 120 feet for 590 Fairmont Street. MOTION BY HARRIS,,seconded by Lindblad, that the Planning Commission r�commend to Council approval o� the request for a 1ot split, L.S. #74-OI, by Wallace K. Dah1, to split off the West l0 feet of Lot 29, and add it to Lots 25, 26, 27 and 28, Block J, River- view Heights, to make one buiZding site, 590 Fairmont Street N.E. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 6. SET PUBLIC HEARING DATE: To amend Chapter 2�05, Section 205.051, Paragraph 2, A. Accessory Uses, o� the City Code of the City of Fridley. � ^� Mr. Clark said tr.e Planning Commission has waited some time to ^ consider changing this part of the code to elimi�ate being inundated with requests for the small storage shed under a Special Use Permit. .This amended version would still require a building permit and require that they be affixed to a permanent foundation. r"� '""1 � �� � � � Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 17 Mr. Clark said that any change to the zoning po�tion of our code requires a Public Hearing. MOTION by Harris, seconded by Lindblad, that the P.Ianning Commission set the Public Nearing date of June 5, .I974 to consider amending Chapter'205, S.ection 205.051, Paragraph 2, A, Accessory Uses, of the City Code of the City of Frid.Ie�. Upon a voice vote, a1I. voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 7. ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMMISSION MEMBERSHIP REVIEW Chairman Fitzpatrick said we have postponed a decision on whether the Environmental Quality Commission should become a sub- committee of the Planning Commission and to have that Chairman as a voting member of this Commission, until we got some information from the City Attorney. . � Mr. Clark said the staff has discussed this and see no objection tc� having a six man Planning Commission. Mr. Fitzpatrick said there was also some problem because this was a seven member Commission when all the other subcommittee's have five. He said he didn't mean to make any negative comments on this request, because he personally feels this is the direction we should go, or at least make a beginning. Mr. Clark said that as the decisions of the Planning Commission are only recommendations to the Council, there was no reason there couldn't be a tie vote. � Mr. Clark said that there had been a motion made by someone on the Environmental Quality Commission that the Chairman of the Human Relations Committee become a member of the Planning Commission also. Chairman Fitzpatrick said we are not considering this at the . present time. Mr. Langenfeld said the reason this motian was made was that if the Planning Commission felt a six man board was unworkable, then by adding another member, it would make the Planning Commission have an uneven number of inembers again. � Chairman Fitzpatrick said he did not wish to comment on the merit of this second motion, but on the merit of the motion that the Chairman of the Environmental Quality Commission become a member of the Planning Commission. He said he thought the Environmental Quality Commission was going. to be asked more and more frequently to consider matters, and in his estimation, u�.timately this will come throut�h the Planning Commission on the way to Council. The way things are set up now, there are two things that happen. Things that probably should be referred to.the Environmental Quality Commission sometimes get referred elsewhere, and secondly'� when there is.action taken this bypasses the Planning Commission and goes directly to Council. Nlr. Drigans said he didn't think it was our position to determine how the advisory organizational structure should be developed or laid out. He said he thought this should be Council action and unless Council directs us to take such a step, he didn't feel this should be � Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 18 ,,�"1 . . done. He said he thought the Environmental Quality Commission � should take their request to the Council. . Mr. C1ark said that when the Envircnmental Quality Commission was set�up about three years ago, there was discussion at the Council level that this Commission should possibly be part of the Planning Commission and the Planning Commission was asked for a recommendation. They determined at that time to wait and�see how this Commission developed before a decision was made. Mr. Clark said he thought the reason Mr.. Langenfeld has been coming to the Planning Commission was to determine whether they feel at this time that they would want the Environment�a� Quality Commission as a member of the Planning Commission, and it would depend upon how the Planning Commission felt, in determining his decision to ask the Council to reconsider making the Environmental Q�ality Commission part of the Planning Commission. He said that.this was a Council decision, but if the Council knows how the Environmental Quality Commission and the Planning Commission felt, it would help them in making this decision. Mr. Drigans said he was perfectly willing to have additional members orL the Rlanning Commission, but there were many other advisory commiss?,Qns and committees to the Council who could ask to become members of the Planning Commission. He thought that until they were set up to receive citizen input on petitiQns and have routine referrals made to them the same as the present subcommittees of the Planning ^ Commission, that this was the criteria that should be used in adding �"� members to the Planning Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said he disagreed with Mr. Drigans somewhat, because he said a lot of desisions that are made by the Planning Commis- sion are the birth of environmental problems for the City. He said the Environmental Quality Commission would like to know when these problems were atarting and not six month later, after the fact. Mr. Drigans said he didn't understand what the purpose or the intent of the Environmental Commission was. He said he knew they were an advisory group to the Council, but he didn't know what issues, they advised the Council on. He asked Mr. Langenfeld how they got the items for their agenda. He said that when there were routine referrals to.this Commission, that's the time he thought they should become a member of the Planning Commission. . Chairman Fitzpatrick said this request was directed to the Planning Commissio� and he did not think it was improper for the Planning Commis= sion to make a recommendation. He said that on the point of which , Committees should become members of.the Planning Commission, he thought it should depend on the kind of thing they deal with. He said that he thought the kind of things the Environmental Quality Commission deals with are not incompatible with what the Planning Commission deals with. He said maybe there should be a formal request by the Environment- i'-1 � al Quality Commission on the things that they deal with and how it would /� fit into the Planning Commission. He said the State has passed a lot of legislation on the environment and he has read a.lot of things that have come from the Metropolitan Coutncil that.seem to be leading up to a request on environmFntal impact statements on streets, on parks, on �.�. Plannin� Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974 Page 19 � plats, on buildings and many other things that we do discuss at the � Planning Commission. Mr. Langenfeld said the Environmental Quality Commission had been set up by Ordinance No. 520. Mr. Drigans said he didn't think they should make any recommenda- tion on this reguest until they know what type of things the Environ- mental Quality Commission takes action on. Mr. Drigans asked Mr. Langenfeld when their next meeting was scheduled. Mr. Langenfeld said it was May 14th. MOTION by Drigans, seconded b� Harris, that the members of the of the Planning Commission attend the May 14, Z974 meeting of the Environmental Quality Commission before further action is taken on fheir request to become members of the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting a�e, the motion carried unanimously. ' 8. VOTE BY CHAIRMAN Mr. Fitzpatrick asked if the City Attorney had made any statement on the Chairman voting. Mr. Clark said he knew that it was sometimes the practice of n a Chairman not to vote, but in the case of the Planning Commission, � they were an advisory board and he thought Council wanted to get five opinions, whether this resulted in a tie vote or not. 9. LETTER FROM HAROLD BELGUM; CHAIRMAN OF THE HUMAN RELATIONS COMMITTEE Mr. Fitzpat�ick said this letter had come to him personally but he would read it, to the other members of the Planning Commission. He then read the following letter: May 7, 1974 Mr. Edward Fitzpatrick 5273 Horizon Drive Fridleyy MN 55432 Dear Mr. Fitzgatrick: It has been suggested that it would be useful for the Planning Commission to have some of the information about social issues and human problems being assembled by the Human Relations Committee. I would be glad to represent our Committee. n We're having good attendance with some citizen observers n dropping in off and on at our meetings. ' Planning Commission Meeting - May 8, 1974" �' Page'20 �, • �,,,� Currently we are analyzing the social characteristics as described by the census. There is a good deal of interest in ethnic minorities today. The census lists as "foreign stock" all persons who have one or two parents born in another country. �� ,� 1 � � 3,630 such persons were listed in the 1970 census. 1,171 of them are not identified as to origins. 623 - Sweden 527 - Spanish 491 - Germany 294 - Poland 380 - Canada (French?) 131 - Austria Smaller numbers are lis�ted for Czechoslovakia, Hu�gary, USSR, Italy, Mexico, and South Americao It is a fact that we do have a number of American Indians, several Blacks, Lebonese, Japanese, Phillipines, Chinese, and Afghanistons. It is my feeling that the City, during its 25th Anniv�rsary, might well show those folks that we in Fridley, are glad they are her� and that we are proud of our diversity. I have suggested this to Wyman Smith. HG:sm Sincerely yours, �JL�Gt�i�� �.� � , ����`� � Harold Belgum Chairman, Human Relations Committee Chairman Fitzpatrick adjourned �the meeting at 12:55 A.M. 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