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PL 07/14/1976 - 6588� CITY OF FRIDLEY AGENDA PLANNING COMMISSION MEE7ING JULY 14, 1976 CALC TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 23, 1976 RECEIVE MINU7E� OF THF SPECIAL f1EETING OF THE PARKS , RECEI UALITY COMMISSION MII 7:30 P.M. PAGES 1 - 26 27 - 33 , 34 - 45 RECEIYE PARKS & RECREATION GOMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 28, 1976 46 - 60 RECEIVE APPEALS COMNII55ION MINUTES: JUNE 29, 1976 61 --71 1. TABLED: PUBLIC_HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF A PRELIMINARY 72 - 77 •-..�e .... , ..- � .,,,,,,v�.wn �.vnu� (�L:1"Lfll �ninv nvuiit�n� '! BY DARREL A. FARR DEVELOPMENT CORPORATIQN: Being a replat � of Lots 1 to 4 inclusive, Blocks 21 through 26, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the 1Jest side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open. 2. PUBLIC FtEARIN6: REQUEST FQR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP # 78 - 81 76-10, BY YOUVA KLUCSAR: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.052, 2, A, to all�w the construction of a second accessory building, a detached double garage for storage of two Model "A" automobiles, on Lot 20, Block 4, Moore Lake Nills Addition, the same being 1337 Hillcrest Drive N,E. 3. VACATION REQUEST, SAV #76-04, BY KAREN MESROBIAN: To vacate82 - 85 the unimproved a17ey in Block 11, Spring f3rook Park Addition, lying between Liberty Street and Ely Street N.E. 4. CQNTINUED_'_RECOMMENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEUELOPMENT GOALS ANQ 86 - 87 � � �# � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING CALL 'TO ORDER: CITY OF t'RIDLEY JUNE ?3, 1976 Chairperson H�rris called the meeting to order at 7:35 P.M. ROLL CALL: PAG� 1 Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Peterson� Shea, Gabel (attending for Wahlberg) Members Absent: Others Present: None Jerrold Boardman� City °lanner APPROYE PLANNING COMMIS5ION MINUTES: MAY 19, 1976 Mr. Peterson asked if when the Vice Chairnerson was in attendance the regular Chairperson was sho wi as absent, or i£ that was only i£ there was no one £rom a particular Commission present. Chairperson Harris said he believed it was listed as the person in atteadance. Mr. Peterson said that at the May 19th meeting, Mrs. 4iahlberg shouldn't be counted as absent since Mrs. Gabel was there representing her� and Mr. Harris said that in the future it should be noted that the Vice Chairperson was sitting in Sor the regular Chairperson at these meetings. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes of May 19� 1976 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. APPROVE PLAtaNING COMMISSION MINUTFS: JUNE 9, 1976 Mr. Langenfeld referred to the discussion on Qage 1 under "Approve Planning Commission Minutes: May 19� 1976", and asked Atr. Boardman to explain what he meant. Mr. Boardman said that they had been debating if 'they could take action without a quorum by sending action on to the Council, and they had decided they could not send on any action to the Council withont opening a public hearing and they could not do that since they did not have a quorum. Mr. Bergman requested that on page 5� second paragraph under "Sireet Width Stendards"� the sentence °Mr. Bergman said that is what was backed down to when a better situation wasn't avilable� and" be stricken and a nea sentence started beginning with °Mr. Boardman said...". He also noted that on page 5, the last sentence in the second to last paragraph� he had been talking about street humps. He said that since this xasn�t germane he r+ould request that this sentence be stricken, Mrs. �abei said that on page �, third paragraph, she xould like the sentence to read "towards a building to store hockey and sof'tball equipment�' instead of "towards the building of a shed to store hockey and softball equipment". Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 2 MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Gabel� that the Planning Commission minutes of June 9� 1976 be approved as corrected, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson asked Mrs. Gabel, with reference to her statement on page 7, if she � had read the whole discussion pertaining to that building. Mrs. Gabel replie@ she had and said she was curious about this and asked if there was additional information. Mr. Peterson explained that the sports associations were asking to build a bui2ding free, on a lease basis, and were asking to put it on city property. He said that they had wanted to put it behind the arena but there wasn't room there, so someone suggested puthng it at Commons. However, he continued, the Council requzres brick facing at Commons so some of the members of the Parks and Recreation Commission said if they were going to Commons they would have to conform with the building standards which would require brick facing, He said that the sports associations would be doing all the work and furnishing of the money for the building with the exception of the brick facing� and this is what the $900 was to pay for. Mrs, Uabei said she understood that and suggested this could be discussed a little later when the Parks and Recreation minutes were received, RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMNISSION MINU'PES: MAY Z8, 1976 Chairperson Harris asked Mr, Langenfeld if he wanted the Planning Commission to take action on the motion by Mrs. Sporre concerning the Teen Center, and Mr. Langenfeld said he just wanted to bring this to the attention of the Planning Commission. Mr. Boardman suggested ihat this be added to the agenda as an additional item. � MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Teen Center be added to the agenda of the Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Uabel� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes oY the F1�vironmental Quality Commission meeting of May 18� 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUPFS: MAX 25, 1976 Chairperson Harris said he noted on page 38 that the Appeals Commission also made a recomnendation on the Youth Center. MOTION by Gabel� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Appeals Commission meeting of May 25� 19?6. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE PARKS & RECREA'1'SON COMMISSION MTNUTFS: MAY 24 1976 Mrs. Gabei rei'erred to the second paragraph from the bottom on page 1� of the Parks and Hecreation minutes� and said that this xas the reason for her comment at the last Planning Commission meeting, She said she was wondering in terms oY � Parks and Hecreation i2' priorities didn't neetl to be reassessed, and added that she got trie Yeeling it was sports oriented and could f'ind the money 2'or things that were sports oriented� but that other things.sometimes got pushed aside. Mrs. ��t�l Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 197o Page 3 Gabel comenented that at the sarne time she was pleased to see that they were setting � up a committee to look at this very thing� so perhaps her cammettts were a little premature. She added that some youths have other interests besides sports that they xere not addressing themselves to: Mr. Peterson stated that was difficult to comment on as no other specific programs had been mentioned, Mrs. Gabel said she xas referring to the problem of getting the Youth Center going� and kept hearing the comment that Parks and Becreation doesn't have the money in their budget to help them out. Mr. Peterson stated that he didn't think this was what Parks and Recreation said, He said he thought they said that a Youth Teen Center didn�t £all under Parks and Recreation� and they didn't see where that would fit into the concept of Parks and Recreation within the city. He ad�ed that based on the proFessional staff report that Nas given to them concerning space requirements! and all things taken into consideration, it was the position of the Parks and Recreation Commission that they didn�t feel it would fit in with their concept. Mrs. Gabel said that she thought that recrea- tion should encompass something more than sports� and that perhaps it was time to take a look at the program. She stated that this was the reason for her comment, Chairperson Harris re£erred to the Comparison of Recreational Activities informa- tion that had been distributed at a previous meeting� and Mr. Peterson said this had been prepared by Staff. He stated that the Parks and Recreation Commission al.so had questions concerning what was there� so they shouldn't be held responsible for Nhat was on the sheet. Chairperson Harris said he just wanted to get Mr. Petersott's input on some of the areas, and asked iS he noticed that it seemed a lot o£ money was spent on supervisors, officials, and that sorL of thing and not � very much on the actual participants. Atr. Peterson said that would probably be � true, because most ot' the sports in the city were run by volunteer organizations. He stated that if the city were to fund them� they wouldn't have very many programs, so it xas done on a cooperative basis, Mr. Peterson said that in Babe Ruth base- ball, for example, the city pays half of the �npire's costs and Babe Ruth p�}rs the other half� furnishes the uniforms� and has volunteer r�anagers. He said the city furnishes the maintenance. Chairperson Harris commented he hadn�t understood that as the sheet hadn't reflected that in£ormation. Chairperson Harris said there were a couple other aress that were not organized sports that he xas wonderiag about� and in particular general skating. He asked , what 32 W.H. meant� and Mr, Peierson said that was 32 warming house supervisors. Mr. Harris commented that maintenance ran almost �10,000 and hfr. Peterson said they were questioning the accuracy of these figures because it seemed that in the wintertime all the maintenance people uere charged against either general skating or hockey� and they felt this was ridiculous. T1r, Peterson explained it was very much like all of the Parks and Recreation programs; they are charged against the budget as a charge� and when a fee is receive3 From the participant in various activities� this money is then creditied to general revenue rather than back against Parks and Recreation, He further explained that if the maintenance people did street plowing or other things for the Street Department� which they do every winter� it was still charged against general skating or hockey. He said there xould be an offset from the Street budget, but it would be credited back into general revenue. ' � Mr. Harris said he understood this a little better, and it sounded to him like the accounting should be re£urbished a bit. He stated there Nere two other areas that concerned him; Playgrounds and Lifeguards. He said a considerable amount was spent in both those areas and they are both summertime activities, and asked r—� t Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Yage 4 if the same thing had happened in those areas as did with hockey and general skating. Mr. Peterson answered nof not completely� because the maintenance people do get some of their time charged into actual park maintenance such as �� maintaining the ball diamonds for the boys and girls, beaches, etc. He said they had talked to the person who had compiled this information and asked about allocations� and she told them they had talked to the supervisor who made a calculation. Chairperson Harris said the reason he asked was because under Supervisors they had Director� Supervisor, Soccer� Archery� Arts & Crafts� and a total of $15,17�, which was a considerable amount of money. He said there was also a total of $2,227 under Equipment for Games� Crafts� T,C.F.� and non-office supplies. Mr. Peterson said that all of the money that was generated at the beach concessions, for example, goes back into general revenue; but the help that runs it is charged against the Parks and Recreation operating budget, He stated that for a true picture the offsetting o£ credits would be needed to see what tHe costs would actually be, Mr. Harris said he had one other question on Lifeguards� and asked if the partic- ipant figure of 18,000 was correct. Mr, Peterson said he believed that £igure was arrived at on a sampling basis by park usage on a certain number of days. MOTTON by PeLerson� seconded by I.angenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Parks and Recreation Commission meeting of t�i�y 2l�, 1976 . Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye, the motion carried unanimously. � :, RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MTNUTES: JUNE 3, 1976 Chairperson Harris noted that on page 14 there was an Affirmative Action Progra�n Analysis, and asked if this was what has been done to date. Mrs, Shea rep2ied that this was where they stood right now. Mr, Harris asked if they had discussed a goal in this area, and Mrs. Shea said that the city had a goal. Mr. Harris asked where they were on this, and Mr. Boardman replied that there was no.intent on replacing anybody that is presently an employee� but if certain people quit then certain positions would be filled from this prograzn. He said that to date they were about 50% there, and were sitting pretty good as far as the state review of the Affirmative Action Program. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Hwnan Resources Commission meeting of June 3, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE CUMMUNITY bEVElAPMENT COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 8, 19%b Mr. Langenfeld said the Commission should bear in mind the motion on page 16 concerning the Teen Center for flirther discussion� and Chairperson Harris said it was so noted. � Mr. Harris asked how the Sign Committee was coming, and Mr. $ergman ssid they had their first meeting Monday night. He said they were ].acking a member from � the League of Women Voters� but have found that the League does not meet in the summer. He said they were told that the representative from the League would be independent. Mr. Bergman added that a substitute representative from the Chamber had attended the first meeting. He commented that it was a good meeting, and r-. �� � Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 5 successful to get it oi'S the ground� and told the Commission they had agreed to meet once a month. Chairperson Harris asked 3f the Bikeway Committee was doing anything� and Mr. Bergman said that the Chairmart of that cormnittee should be at the next Planning Commission meeting to bring them up to date. MOTIQN by �ergman� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Community Deve2opment Commissiun meeting of June 8, 197b. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the moiion carried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEAIS COI•�1ISSION MINtITES: JUnE 15, 1976 Mrs. t'rabel said she would like a correction made on page 4 of the minutes, third paragraph from the bottom. She stated she would like the Sollo�ring sentence added before that paragrapix "Mrs, Gabel said she did not Iike this procedure, and that xhile the variance was in order the grocedure was not, and if it would happen again she would very strongly object", She said this should be followed by the sentence starting "Mr. Kemper said...." �d "and 13rs. Gabe� agreed" should be stricken. She stated that xhen she said she agreed she meant her statement should also go on the record, MU'fIOt� by uabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of t,he Appeals Corrmission meeting of 3une 15� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, Lhe motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman told the Commission that the City Council had acted on the variance reqvest by Mrs, Sporre at their lasL meeting, and had approved it according to what the tioard o£ Appeals said. He cotrunented that it was a bit out oP order and the Staff xas a little upset by this also. Mr. Boardman said tne .Appeais commission should have tabled the item since she did not have all the aecessary signatures that night and requested that City StaYi' send out notices per procedure, Mrs. Uabel said that xas why they put on all the stipulations. • 1. PUtiL1C HEAHiNU• HE9UEST FOR A SPEClAL USE P..ttMlTz SP #76-07, 43Y MKLnI�: To alloH a cnild care center For ten children, per Fridley ���y Code, Section 205.051, 3� r', � an x-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas), to be located on Lot 12� i3lock 3� Meador�rmoor Terrace Addition, the same being 13hb IReadoHmoor Drive N.E. _,_„ Mrs. Nancy Melbie was present, along with Terry Nagel of the Social Services Department of the Anoka County Welfare Board. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Gabel, that the Planni.ng Commission open the Public Heari.ng on the request for a Specisl Use Permit, SP �76-07, by Nancy Melbie. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris dec2ared the Public Hearing open at 8:25 P.M. Mr. Boardman said that as stated, this would be a Specisl Use Permit for a � child d�y care center, and Mrs. Melbie would be having ten children there. He submitted ta the Cormnission a statement of approval signed by ten of Mrs. Melbie's neighbors. Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 197b Page 6 Chairperson Harris read the follouing siatement out loud: "I, Nancy Melbie, am making application for a Special Use Permit to the City of Fridley, for having �. ten full-time children at my Day Care, My yard will be fenced and they wili be kept on my own property. I need to advise you of this, and I request your signature for permission or refusal of permission. If you refuse, please state reason for refusal." Mr. Harris noted that all ten neighbors had given their approval. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman� to receive the petition of approval. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman stated that since the neighbors have been contacted and there are no written objeciions, City Staff has no objections to the proposal. He asked if Mrs. Melbie xas licensed zrith the state� and Ms. Nagel replied she was licensed by the 5tate of Atinnesota to care £or five� and had been operating since November� 1975. She stated that Mrs. Melbie would like to expand to include a greater number oY chi2dren; and although the state didn't necessarily require a neW permit she must meet city codes ta carry on her business. Mr, Boardman said that Fridley City Code� Section 205•a51� 3, F� would allow a child day care center for ten children in a R-1 Zone. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this would fall under the category of nursing homes� and Mr. Boardman said the code did not really say day care center, but they interpreted a day care center as that type of operation i.n xhich there is caring for more than five persons, Ms. Nagel said she understood the reason they needed a Special Use Permit was � because Mrs. Meltaie planned to hire someone to help her since she would be taking children urrier three years old. Mr. Boardman stated that as far as the Special Use Permit was concerned, they felt this would be regulated under ihe hospitals� nursing homes, etc., since Mrs. Melbie would be hiring autside of her home. Chairperson Harris asked about the traffic involved in loading and un2oading chi2dren, and �7r. Boardman replied that ten children wouldn't provide heavy traffic, Mr. Harris asked what the hours of operation would be, and Mrs. Melbie said basically from 6:00 - 5:30, but they varied depending on the hours of the parent. Mr. Harris questioned if there would be parking for long periods, and Mrs. Melbie replied it would only be a matter of seconds. Mr. Harris then asked if off-street parking would be provided for the assistant� end Mrs. Melbie said that her assistant lived right next door. Chairperson Harris asked if they didn�t require the Fire Marshall to look at this, and Air. Boardman replied that the Welfare Department checked that. Mr. Harris asked how large the fenced-in area was, and Mr. Boardman replied that the lot size was 75 % 120 so there was probably a$0 X 1S back yard. Mr. Langea- feld asked if r1rs. Melbie had the proper liability coverage from an insurance standpoint, and she said she did. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on the request for a Specinl llse Permit, SP ii76-07, by � Nautcy Melbie. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting ayey Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 8:35 P.M. Planning Commissian Meeting - June 23� 1976 PBge 7 � MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission recomme.nd to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #7b-07� by Nancy Melbie, to allow a child care center for ten children, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051� 3, F, �� R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas), to be Iocated on Lot 12� Block 3� Meadowmoor Terrace Addition� the same being 13�6 Meadowmoor Drive N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voLing aye, the motion carried unanimously. � 2. PU�LIC HEARINU: CONSIDERATiON OF A PRELIMIt�AHY PLAT, P.S Nuxrn nnrLei ininu if11L111V1� ... .... ...... ... ..• .- _�-_--- --- -- - a replat oi' Lots 1 to inclusive, Blocks 21 ihrough 2, and also part of Lot 1, Block 28, Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition� to allow changes in the size of garages, generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N,E. Chairperson Harris informed the Commission that Mr. 3im London had called him beFore the meeting to let him know he would be lates and he suggested that this public heai�ing be delayed until the arrival o£ Mr. London. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Uabel, to temporarily table the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S, #7b-O5, �sbruck North Replat Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, until Mr. London arrived. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 3. PUBLIC HEARING• REQUEST F'OR A SPECIAL USE PEitTiIT, SP #76-08, BY PHILLSP 11. WiLLSUN: To permit the conversion of a one-fam�.ly� two-story house to a two-family house in an R-1 District (single £amily dwelling areas), per Frid2ey City Code, Section 205.051, 3� D, to be located on I.ot 2, Block 1� Froid�s Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E. Mrs. Phillip Willson explained she was present to represent her husband, who Was ill and could not attend the meeting. MOTIOSV by Bergman� seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the £ublic Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #{7b-08, hy Phillip M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:Lt0 P.M. Mr, Hoardman explained that this was a two story frame home� and according to the City Code they can't develop a two-family home within a R-1 area. He showed the Commission a picture oY the honse, and said it was located on the North side of Ironton Street just East of a pt'esent two-family dwelling Unit that was being built. Mr. Boardman said that at this time the City Staf£ would have no objections to a two-family dwelling as far as zoning purposes go; and they felt that if the design oY the structure xas proper they could envision a two-family dwelling with no trouble. Mr, Bergman asked if the two-dwelling structure that was being built next door � xould be classified as a double bungalow and fall under those requirements. Mr. Boardman said it fell under the requirements of a two-family structure as far as parking requirements� etc., but it still is in a R-1 area. Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 19'(e Page f3 Mrs. Shea asked what the square i'ootage o2 tne nouse xas� anu Mr, doardman and Mrs. Willson answered they did not Know. Mr, tioardman said that the lot was �j�Sbb square i'eet and that tu,UUU square 1'eet was required ibr a double bungalow. Mrs, liabel asked how many rooms there were, and Mrs. Willson answered there were f'our rooms upstairs that xould be made into an apartment, plus a large porcn. She added that they wou2d be liviag in the downstairs apartment which also oonsisted of four rooms and a porch, and there xould pe tvo stairways. Chairperson Harris asked iF they were proposing a considerable arnount oi' remodeling� and Mrs. Willson said they were, i4r. Langenl'eld asked if they nad complete heating and cooking elements separate i'or the rental area, and Mrs. Willson said tnat was right. Mrs. Gabel asked ii' they would be making the upstairs apartmeni into a one or two bedroom� and Mrs. Willson replied it would be a two-bedroom apartment with separate bathroom and kitchen facilities. Mr,, tiergman asked i2' a petition had been circulated or any f'ormal document signed by the neighbors� and Mrs. Witlson said she nad no signed statement but tne neighbors she had talked to didn't object, She said she felt ii' anyone nad an objection they would be at this meeting to voice their opinions, Cnairperson Harris asked iY they had a one-car garage, and Mrs. Willson said they were planning on building a garage that urould be large enough to inc2ude a tennant. Mr. Harris trien asked i£ they were pianning on paving tne driveway, and Mrs. Willson said sne wasn't sure} but Mr, t3oaraman said it wou1H be required to meet all codes. Mr. Langen2'eld said he would like to indicate that due to the age oi' this dwellzng it snoula be approved as Yar as Yire sai'ety was concerned, ana Mr, noarclman said it would be required to meet code. Mr, liergman asked WhaL type oY dwelling existed on each oY the four sides. Mrs. Willson answered that there were two douele bungalows on one side, a vacanc lot which they owned on the other side, a£our-plex across the street� a five-Samily apartment kitty-corner across the street� and a Metro 500 gas station behind them, Mr, Boardman explained that the area behind them was zoned M-1 and R-1. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close ihe Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-08, by Phillip M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing c2osed at 8:50 P,M. •MOTION by Sergman, seconded by Uabel, that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the request £or a Specia2 Use Permit� SP #76-08� by Phillip M. Willson1 to permit the conversion oi' a one-family� two-story house to a two-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas)� per Fridley C3ty Code� Section 205.051, 3, D, to be located on Lot 2, Block l, Froid�s Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimous2y, !�. PUBLIG HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECTAL USE PERMIT SP #76-09 BY STAV'S SUPEI�F:TTE: Per Fridley.City Code, Section ZO .101, 3, N, to allow an outside isp ay area for a hydroponic growing system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3, Ree�s Addition, the same being 61t83 University Avenue N.E. Mr. Robert Stavanau was present to represent Stav's Superette. MOT10N by Peierson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit� SP !/76-09, by Stav�s � � C� �li"'a Planning Cormnission Meeting - June 23, 1976 � Page 7 � MOTION by Peterson, seconded hy Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-07� by Nancy Melbie, Lo allow a child care center Yor ten children, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.0�1, 3, F� in an R-1 Zone (single family dwelling areas)� to be located on Lot 12, Block 3, Meadowmoor Terrace Addition, the same being 13�6 Meadowmoor Ilrive N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 2. PU�LIC F�AR1taU• CONSIDERATiON OF A PRELI1�iZaAxY YLA'r, r.s, rtro-v>, �,+,v�Dn��n N6P.TH REPLAT THIRD AD�ITION BY DARdaL A. rAHN ll�.VhLOPNir.IvT GUriPU.RAiIOi.. t3ei a rep at of ioLs 1 to inclusive, Blocks 21 through 2� and also part o£ Lot 1� 31ock 28, lnnsbruck Idorth Tocmhouses Third Addition, to allow changes i.n the size of garages� generally located on the idest side oS East Bavarian Pass and South o£ Meister Road N,E. Chairperson Harris iniormed the Commission that p1r. Jim London had called him 6e;ore the meeting to let him know he would be late� and he suggested that this puolic hearing be delayed until the arrival of Mr. London. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Uabel, to temporarily table the Public Hearing on consideration o£ a preliminary plat, P.S. #76-05, �sbruck North RepZat Third Addition� by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation� until Mr. London arrived. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � 3, PUBLIC fiEARINU• REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP N76-O8, BY PHILLIP M W1iiSUiV: To permit the conversion o: a one-family� two-story nouse �o a txo-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code, Section 20$.051, 3� D, to be located on I.ot 2, Block 1, Froid's Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironion Street N.E. Mrs. Phillip Willson explained she was present to represent her husband� who was ill and conld not attend the meeting. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the Public 3earing on the request for a Special Use Permity SP #76-08� by Phillip M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:}�0 P.M, Mr, Boardman explained that tnis was a two-story frame home, and according to the City Code they can't develop a two-family home within a R-1 area. He showed the Commission a picture oi' the house, and said it caas located on the North side of Ironton Street just East o£ a present two-family dwelling unit that was being built. Mr. Boardman said that at this time the City 5taff would have no objections to a tvo-£amily dwelling as far as 2oning purposes go; and they felt that if the design of the structure was proper they aould envision a two-family dwelling with na trouble. Mr. Bergman asked if the two-dwelling structure that was being built next door � would be classified as a double bunga2ow and £all under those requirements. Mr. Boardman said it fell under the requirements of a two-family structure as far as parking requirements, etc.� but it still is in a R-1 area. Planning Commission Meeting - June 13, 19'Ib page � Mrs. Shea asked What the square i'ootage oi tne nouse was� anu Mr. Boarctman and Mrs. Willson ansxered they did not Know, Mr. rsoarciman said that the lot was lj,5bb square i'eet and that lu,uUU square 2'eet was required Yor a douole bungaiow. Mrs, tiabel asked how many rooms there Kere, and Mrs. Willson answered there were i'our rooms upstairs that xould be made into an apartment, plus a large porcn. She added that they would be Iiving in the downstairs apartment which also consisted of four rooms and a porch, and there would ne two stairways, Chairperson Harris asked if they were proposing a considerable amount ox' remodeling, and Mrs. Willson said they were. Mr. Langenl'eld asked if they had complete heating and cooking elements separate Y'or the rental area� and Mrs. Willson said that xas right. N`ss. Gabel asked ir they would be making the upstairs apartment into a one or two bedroom� and Mrs, Willson replied it would be a two-bedroom apartment with separate bathroom and kitchen facilities. Mr,, tlergman asked ii' a petition had Deen circulaLed or any formal documettt signed by the neighbors, and Mrs. Willson said she had no signed statement bui Lne neighbors she had talked to didn't object. Sne said she felt iY anyone had an objection they would be at Lhis meeting to voice their opinions. Crcairperson Harris asked i2' they had a one-car garage, and Mrs. Willson said they were planning on building a garage that would be large enough to include a tennant. Mr. Harris tnen asked if they were planning on paving tne driveway, and Mrs. Willson said sne wasn't sure� 6ui Mr, t3oaraman said it would ee required to meet all codes, Mr. Langeni'eld said ne rrould like to indicate that due to the age oi' this dwelling it snould be approved as i'ar as i'ire saf'ety was concerned, and Mr, ttoardman said it would be required to meet code. Mr, tsergman asked what type oY dwelling existed on each os the four sides. Mrs. Wi].lsoa ansxered that t,here were twa double bungalows on one side, a vacanz 2ot which they owned on the other side, a four-plex across the street, a five-family apartment kitty-corner across the street, and a Metro 500 gas station behind tnem. Mr. Boardman explained that the area behind them was zoned M-1 and R-1. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit� SP #76-08, by Phillip M. Willson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at S:SO P,M. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Gabel, that the Planning Commission recomrnend to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #/76-08, by Phil2ip M. Willson, to permit the conversion oi' a one-family, two-story house to a two-family house in an R-1 District (single family dwelling areas), per Fridley City Code� Section 205.051� 3� D� to be located on Lot 2� Block 1� Froid's Addition, the same being l�O1 Ironton Street N.E. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. �. PUBI.IC HEARING• REQUEST FOR A SPECIAZ USE PERMIT, SP #T6-09, BY STAV'S 5UPE1tETTE: Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101� 3, N, to allow an outside zsp s,v area for a hydroponic groxing system, to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3, Ree's Addition� the same being 6lt83 University Avenue N.E. Mr. Robert Stavanau was present to represent Stav's Superette. MOTlON by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP /j76-09, by Stav's � � � P2anning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 9 � Superette. Upon a voice vote� all voting a,ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Pub2ic Hearing open at 8:5b P.M. Mr. Boardman explained that this would be a Special Use Permit for an outside display area used for displaying small greenhouses� to be located in the front of the building in the present parking lot on the University and Mississippi Street side. He said it was already there only because Mr. Stavanau had no other place to store it! and with the understanaing that if the Special Use Permit was denied he would remove it immediately, Mr. Boardman showed the Commission Mr. Stavanau's proposal depicting what he planned to do. He explained it would be in a fenced area built up Hith railroad ties and landscaping xould be provided� and the present boulevard area would be resodded and trees would be planted. He stated that the access through the parking lot on Mississippi Street would be cut off. He said this was a portable, far-sale unit. Mrs. Gabel said she saw a traf£�c problem with the width that xas left for cars, and Mr. Boardman showed where the people drove on the service drive. He said this was a proposal to block that o£f, and showed where it would be open £or a bike path and walk path. He explained that there was a street improvement project, and this proposal may save ihe city money as far as acquisition from Red Owl� too, because if this was cut ofS they could start their acquisition back further and might not have to pick up as much property. He said he would 2ike to add that with this improvement there would also be a buildinp, improvement, as they would be taking down the yellow facarie and putting on a shake roo£ mansard. � He added that any improvement Lhat was done, and Mr. Siavanau was aware of this, would be a temporary situation since he is a renter. Mr. Soardman explained that the property was owned by a doctor, and he was attempting to sell it. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this was going io be there permanently, including the winter, and Mr. Boardman replied it was, He said it was a permanent display area for this type of system, Mr. Langenfeld said that here again they would be giving a Special Use Permit to the property, and Mr. Boardman said that was correct. Chairperson Harris asked what a hydroponic growing system was, and Mr. Stavanau answered it was growing food stuffs without soil. He further• explained it was asoil-less garden using strictly water, ana all the buildings were heated. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a large degree of heat, and wnat the maximum temperature was. Mr. Stavanau replied it went up to eighty degrees, and everything was thermostatically conirolled. He said it was all self-contained in the unit� and a typical heating cost £or that si2e of unit for one year was only about $200. Mr. Peterson asked if he was planning on growing things in that unit, and ASr. Stavanau replied he was. Mr. Bergman asked what his objective was, and Mr. Stavanau ansuered hydroponic system sales. Mr, Bergman siated that he was somewhat turned off� and Mr. Stavanau said this would all tie in with a method of justifying the expense of overall beauti£ication of a not too sightly building. He said that looking at the plan, a garden type of spot would be easier to visualize than the littered parking lot they had now. � Mr. Bergman explained he hadn't meant to drop his statement there, and said that if there was such a thing as the center oi the city, that corner was very possibly it, He said that he thought aesthetically that corner� and particularly that side pianning Commission Meeting - June 23� 2976 Page 12 MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend � to the City Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-09, t3y Stav�s Superette� per Fridley City Code, Sect,ion 20$.101, 3, N, to allow an outside display area for a hydroponic growing sysLe� to be located on Lots 25 and 26, Block 3� Ree's Addition, the same being 6l�83 University Avenue N.E., with the stipulations as outlined in terms of landscaping and'building modification� and with the understanding that some type of landscape would be put into the space if it were no longer occuplied by a hydroponic structure. Mr, tiergman stated he could not �nvision ar�y well-organized� aesthetically- pleasing architectural plan made by professional people placing that unique, unusual, and very different structure in front o£ that building an that particular corner. He said he thought there was a sizeable 2mount of visua.l blight in that general area now, and thought this kind o£ unique facility would just add to it. He stated for these reasons he would have to vote against it. Mr. Langenfeld asked if it was correct that under the Special Use Permit this would have the element of control for approximately one year, and Mr. Harris said that was correct. Mr. Langenfeld said the way he looked at it now he agreed with Mr. Bergman� but if there was the eZement of control on an annual basis perhaps it cc�uld be watched more closely and then be more aesthetically pleasing than it was right now. Mr. Peterson AMENDED the MOT10N to include the stipulation that Staff review the Special Use Permit after one year. Seconded by Langenf'eld. Mr, Boardman said he would like to recommend that the planting that is placed • around this structure be to such a period in its growth that it would provide the type of landscaping, shrubbery and trees that would be necessary ta promote a garden area. Mr. Peterson stated that was implied in the motion that he made because both the petitioner and Staff had mentioned it was going to be a cooperative venture between them and so he assumed that between them there would be a meeting of the minds. Mr. $oardman commented he felt Mr, Bergman might be more comfortable with that type of a stipulation. Chairperson Harris said that under the existing circumstances he disagreed with ,Mr. Bergman. He stated he thought any improvement in that area would be beneficial to the corner� and if this was denied there would be no improvement and the staius quo would remain the same £or another seven years or unti2 the building £ell down. Mr, Harris said that he agreed from the standpoint of aesthetics that he probab].y would not want to see it in front of Ciiy Hall, but he thought it was a move in the right direction and it would solve some trafSic problems in there. He added that he wished there couZd be a barrier from the rest oi' that parking lot, and suggested some temporary curbing across where it said "1t0 i'eet" to keep the patrons from the Canterbury from wandering into the area inadvertently. Mr. Stavanau said he vnderstood what Mr. Harris was talking about� and stated there was no reason they couldn't go right across there with the landscaping. bir. Harris said he was thinking they might have a walkway along side the ties and in through the gate, nnd added that this might start something iresh in the whole center. Mr, Boardman said he had talked to the Center Manager and while he is willing � to have City Staff talk to the other owners, he said he is unwilling to do any improvements on this thing. Mr. Boaz'cLnan explained he was trying to phase that building out of operation� and after another ten-year period the structure would Planning Comni.ssion Meeting - June 23� 19�6 Page 11 Chairperson Harris asked hov tall the fence wss, and Mr. Stavanau replied it was a 6' chain link fence. Air. Harris asked how long he envisioned this structure � being there. Mr. Stavanau replied it was strictly a display unit, but it was for sale, so he really dian't know at this point. Mr. Harris then asked what would happen if this venture didn't work out very well, and what would happen to the area. Mr. Stavanau answered that they would have a lovely looking front yard. hfr. Harris asked what would happen if somebody bought this particular unit ana it was moved ofP. Mr. Stavanau said another display uould go in there as their i.ntantion was continuing displays, Mr. Narris said he was looking i'or some type of assurance that it would not 6e used for something like a storage area� and Mr. Stavanau said that as he understood it he would then need another Special Use Permit as this one was specifically for a hydroponic display. Chairperson Harris asked if for some reason this unit was removed and not replaced� if Mr. Stavanau would agree to sodding the area, and he replied he would, Mr. Stavanau added that a certain amount of' this landscaping and building improve- ment had been their intention for some time� and they had just reached the point that since the landlord wasn't going to do it they Yelt they must as a part or good dusiness. Mr, tioardman said that ratner tnan make a statement o£ sodding, StafY wou3d prefer to say complete landscaping in the area where the structure was located. Mr. Bergman said that aside from the landscapittg improvements which he agreed were needed, it seemed to him that this kind of an insiallation ought more naturally be placed in the back of the building instead of the Yront, and asked if Mr. Stavanau nad considered taat. He anst+ered that he had� but would like � it located i.n front partly for security reasons and partly for exposure, He added that it would look better when it was growing and there were green plants inside� and sai.d he thought the Commission would be pleasantly surprised c�hen it xas do�ae. Mr. Langenfeld asked if this hydroponic system was a Japanese procedure, and Mr. Stavanau replied it was not. He said this system has been around for centuries and added as a point of interest that during '�;orld 'r7ar II there were 13 million tons of produce produced this way. He stated that it has realljr progressed rapidly from that point� but had never become a very profitable thing until the more extensive use of PYC and poly because the nutrients that are Fed ,to the plants are all water soluable. Mr. Langenfeld asked iF he had at least $3�000 invested in this now, and Mr. Stavanau replied he did, hlr. Langenfeld asked if there would be a considerable hardship placed on him if the permit was denied, other than the initial investment, i1r. Stavanau answered that he would have to find a new home for it. Ghairperson Aarris said that when he talked to the owners of that property in the past hs always heard it xould only be there for a couple more years, and asked if Mr. Stavanau thought that vas ever going to come to pass, Mr. Stavanau replied he did not. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission close the Public Heari.ng on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-09, by Stav`s Superette. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the � Public Hearing closed at 9:30 P.M. �� Planning Cormnission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page llt Mr, tiergman said he had received some comments £rom townhouse owners� and their concern seems to be the lack of open parking and loss of some of same with the proposal. Mr. I.ondon said it was so noted. S. REQUES'1' FOR A VACATION, sAV !/76-03, E easement on the Southerly 33 feet oS 2, East Ranch Estates Second Addtion. Mr. Hobert Schroer xas present. Vacate the street et of Lot 1t� Block Mr, �soardman explained that this request was brought before the Planning Commission from the Special tlse Permit granted to Kennedy Transmission Company� and that Bob Schroer had submitted a request for vacation of that street. Mr, Boardman said Mr, Schroer had agreed to the easement of 50' as requested by the Planning Commission, and the vacation was i'or the 33' that went through the transmission company�s property. Mr, Harris asked if there were any lines o£ any sort in that 33'� and Mr, Boardman replied yes, the city would have to maintain for sanitary sewer. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commissior. recozmnend to the City Council approval of the request for a vacation, SAV #?6-03, by Hobert Schroer, to vacate the street easement on the Southerly 33 feet of the Easterly 200 Yeet oi' Lot 4, Block 2, East xanch Estates Second Addi,tion, with the stipulations Yor drainage and utility easements as outlined by Staff. Mr. Boaraman said that it was his understanding that Mr. Schroer would eliminate the proposed street in the rear and all the industrial property will be faced ox'f of Ranchers Road. Chairperson qarris said that perhaps at that time they should make a note and tie triose split-off lots io the rear lots somehow, as tne abandonment of the road idea would create some land-locked property, Mr. Boardman said that the city would maintain a road easement as ].ong as those lots were maintained, and with a replat that road would be vacated. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5A. YOUTH CFivTER DTSCUSSION Mr. Ned Storla was present representing the Youth Project Committee. Mr. Soardman said he wanted to apologize for not getting this on the agenda. He stated he was going to bring it to the Planning Commission after it went to all the member commissions� and it was overlooked. He added that all the member commi.ssions have looked at the proposal and made their recommendations to the Planning Cott¢nission, � . Mr. Langenfe2d said he wouZd like to hear the motions from the Human Resources � Commission and the Community Development Coimnissions to get updated, Planning Commi�sion neeting - June 23� 19'!b Page 13 no longer be a cost to the propert,y. He said that any improvement on the � building would increase the length of time that they would have to operate it in order to get the money back £rom that building, Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to comment that he hoped this would not start a trend that everything from souo to nuts would go out in front o£ ot�er olaces. Mr. Harris said he believed that the City Council had already set a precedent as far as this was concerned when they allowed the tr�ailer sales park in front of Holiday Village. He stated that if the city allows trailer sales £acing 69�1 in the Holidy parking lot� then anybody who has vacant parking area tnat is not used has the same rights to apply for the same uses. 1•Ir. Bergman said if the trailer sales £unction were requested on the corner oi 2•.ississippi and univ- ersity� his vote �rould have been difPerent. Chairperson Harris sa�d tnai the trailer sales park rras on the corrier of 69b and Universit,y and that corner was a far busier one. He stated that many more people visiting the city �rould see that operation than this one. Mr. Langen£eld said he wanted to point out that he was not questioning anyone's rights. ?ir. Harris stated that tir�th the precedent being set� as far as he was concerned, he uas going to vote for this narticular proposal, UP(3N A ROLL CALL VOTE, Harris, Langenfeld, Peterson, Shea and Gabe1 voting aye, Bergman voting nay, the motion carried 5- 1. OF A PRELIt�fINARY PLAT. P.S. #7b-05, I,:;rSHRUCK � a replat o£ Lots 1 to inclusice� Blocks 21 ihrough 26� and also par� of Lot 1� Block 28� Innsbruck iVorth Townhouses Third Addition, to allo�. changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E, Mr. Jim Londan, Mr. Jerry Anderson and Mr. Lorin Woods were present. M01'ION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on the consideration of a preliminary plat, P.S, '�,76-05� Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 9:45 P.M. Mr. London, representing Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, stated that after talking to Mr. Anderson and Mr. Woods he would like to request that this be tabled until the next meeting of the Planning Commission as they had some problems to work out ai the Iimsbruck North Townhouse Architectural Control Committee level, He said that these problems would have to be worked out before they could go ahead with their plan, or it would be withdrawn. MOTION by Langenfeld, seaonded by Peterson, that the Public Hearing on consider- ation oi' a preliminary plat� P,S. �{76-0$� Innsbruck North Replat Third Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation� be tabled until the next Planning Commission meeting on July lit, 197b, with the Public Hearing open. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. � �� �! Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 16 noise, etc., but yet everyone says they are in favor of it so a stand shou7d be made on it. • t"x. Boardman read to the Corrunission the motion from the Parks and Recreation Commission neeting oF April 26� 1976: MOTTON by Harris, seconded by Seeger, that since the Commi.ssion is in Favor oi' a youth center but not in favor of locating it in the City Hall� the Human Resources Commission be asked to talk to the people ai the Northeast Y anfl iind out the status of their program and see if a xorkabYe solution can be made with their facility and our intended use. N,r. Boardman then read to the Commission a subsequent discussion on the youth center at the Parks and Recreation meeting of Piay 2l�, 1976; Mr. Moore referred to a letter from the Youth Project Committee and said he would Iike to make his feelings lrnown to the Parks and Recreation Cormnission. He stated he had talked to several people on this subject, and he would not be against having them use the Parks and Recreation Department�s space if they were going to move out to the librar'r area. Director Huff said he would still be a bit negative to having t:ie Youth Center located at the City Hall. Mr. Harris stated that he had given some thougnt to that, and he was noL sure that Parks and Recreation should be involved in the Youth Center. Director Huff commented that Community Schools had offered the group to come under their auspices, t4r. Storla said that Community Schools, as he understood it, wou7d require more statistics be compiled before they would fund the teen center. He explained that the Y?C did not have the manpower to compile how many cars wonld need parking� how many people a day would be using it, which programs would be the best for it� etc., and Community Schools was not willi:ng to £und it on the original proposal. � Mr. Peterson said he would like to point out that neither the Planning Commission or any of the other Commissions had any power to create anything. He stated that this had to be done through.the City Council� and he thought this Commission should be very careful when they say that Parks and 12ecreation should be doing this, becanse they don�t have ihat power. He stated he tnought they could save ail kinds of time and debate ii they just recommend to Caunci2 that either, they create it or not; then if Council wanis to appropriate money that would be£ine� and they could put it wherever they wanted to. He added that he still didn�t think it belonged under Parks and Recreation, but if Council wanted to put �t there� then that is where it would be. Hrs. Snea asked Mr. Peterson where the Youtn l;enter would go, if not under Parks and Recreation, and Mr, Peterson asked where the other ones went in other co�mnunities. Mrs. Shea answered tnat most were under the Parks and ttecreation Department, and cited Richfield as an example. Mr. Storla agreed that the majority were� and said thaL tne youth centers that Were most similiar to tne one they were setting up were under the auspices u2' the Parks and Recreation Department. Mr. Peterson said that in all the material ne naci seen presented� he hadn't seen "Town A" and statistics on how it was operated, its budget, and so on. He continued that when they start talking about Parks and kecreation and start comparing programs, they have to contact ten cities snd come back with daLa on Lhe activity� funding� etc, He staLed he hadn't seen anything Iike that. Mrs. Shea said that was pretty much what bhey were asking for now--to have Staf£ do something. She stated they did not have the facilities in their Commission. � �1 Planning Coimnission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 15 Mrs. Shea read the following motion from the Human Resources Commission meeting � of April 1, 1976: MOT10N b,y Barbara Shea� seconded by Nancy Lambert� that the Human Hesources Commission approve the resolution b,y the XPC and ask the City through the Planning Commission to bring the Iauth Genter under the auspices of the Parks and Recreation Department, Mr. Bergman read the following motion from the Community Development Commission meeting of June 8, 1976: MOTION by Uennis Schneider� seconded by Hubert Lindblad� that the Comrmanity Development Commission recommend to Planning Comr.iission concurrence with the creation of a teen center in Fridley to oe operated as indicated on Page 2 of the Human Resources Gommission meeting minutes of Aaril 1, 1976 paragraphs one through three and, further, that the City guarant;ee the use of the librazy within 30 days after acceptance of the charter as a teen center. Also� that a time limit of one month be set for each Ccmmission to appoint a person to the temporary board of directors. If a Commission does not make their appointment within the one month period, then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporary board of directors. �rther, that the temporary board of directors consist of an ex-officio Parks & Recreation Commission member or their designate. Mr. Bergman said he would like to comsnent further, and stated that the Community Developmeni Commission had this on their agenda on and off for six months. He stated that they had all gotten involved in general discussion, had listened to other's comments, and had finally gotten to the guts of the matter at their last meeting when Air. Storla was present. He continued that initiall,y they had • been concerned that there w2s not a formal operating procedur2l of how tnis �sould be run� what hours it would be open� what they would do in it� iY' it would be structured or unstructured� as all of these ouestions were not answered. He stated that they finally backed off to the Human Resources positior. at cne of their previous meetings where the statement was made that the youtn had put in enough time on this and should not� at this point, be burdened with a lot o£ detailed questions. He commented that these could be worked out during th2 development of the charter. Mr. Bergman said they had gotten into a discussion on City Hall space, and the,y took a look at the old library and the Parks and c�ecreation office and the outer office, and concluded that in their opinion there was enough space in the Fridley • City Hall. He stated that there might have to be some adjustment to occupancg, but it could be made to work, Mr. Bergman continued that they had talked about possible pmblems in a lengthy conversation� and from having started from a position of roughly 50� for and 50k against, it was interesting that by the time they comgleted their discussions and considerations there was unanimous agreement on one key point--the thing should be given a chance. He stated that was the basic position of Community Develo�nent; it may or may not work, but it shauld be given a chance, The over-view and control of this kind of thing, Mr. ltergman stated, logically should Fall within Parks and Recreation. He said that comments had been made that Parks and Hecreation spends a lot of time with young kids, but not too much time was applied to teenagers. Mr. Bergman continued that Community Development � felt cormnitments should be made by the city at this time, prior to a detailed charter. He stated he wanted to point out that all Five subcommittees have studied the proposal and all £ive have stated on record that they are in favor of a youth center. He added that there have been some concerns as to where it should be located, who should operate it, will it work� parking problems, �� Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 18 ball facilities, games, etc. He stated the question that came to his mind was � if the center was really needed or not, and he hadn�t seen anythirtg that said a teen location is needed. He continued that he had the feeling if it was developed and if it failed� it wou2d be detrimental to the youth development within the community. Mr, Boardman said he would Iike to see several thi.ngs happen as far as if the city is going to be committed to youth; it should be � committed in the organization of youth and the recreational activities of youth. He thought if this was to get going there would have to be more there that said they were going to coordinate this whole program� and maybe what they need is not a center but the whole gamut of recreational fVnction like they have in St, Louis Park. Mrs. Gabel said she �ould have to disagree rrith that, and she didn't think the youth would have spent so much time going around in circles if they didn�t feel that was what they needed, She stated that their feelings didn't necessarily reflect, the ,youth's, and suggested they listen to the youths to a degree and give them a chance to set their guidelines. Air. $oardman said he thought the program was fine to be started but it should be carried on, and said there had to be something from the city to support this action. He continued that if it was felt a teen center should be started ana space was allocated in City Hall� there should be more backi.ng it up and more interest in it than ju�t givi.ng them a space. Mr. I�angenfeld said he got the i.mpression that what they were really after was mom�ntum. He stated it was true the youths had been going to Commission after Commission for some time� but if they were given a temporary area there might � be a big sigh of relie£ and the whole momentum might fizzle out. However, he added, he did think it should be given a chance so they could find out. Mr. Bergman stated he did not agree with Mr. }3oardman's comments, and feli what they were talking about was a matter of priorities as far as space was concerned and what Parks and Recreation should be doing. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission concur with the moti.on from the Community Development meeting of June 8, 197b, and recommend to City Council the creation of a teen center in Fridley to be operated as follows: This ,youth center should have a temporary board of directors consisting of six regular members and two ex-officio members. Regular members shall be appointed by the following groups: one by the 1�'rfdley City Council, one by the Fridley Planning Commission, one by the Fridley Human Resources Commission, arzd Lwo by the r'ridley Xouth Project Committee. One ex-officio member shall be appointed by ttce Fridley City Council and one by the Fridley Police Department. The temporary board of directors should serve for not more than thirty days duri.ng which time they will write the charter, establish the interim rules For the youth center and facilitate the election for regular members to the permanent board. The appointed ex-officio members will also serve on the permanent board. � Administratively, the youth center will be under the auspices of the Parks and Recreation Department who will assign staff to supervise and carry out the guidelines established by the board of directors. Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 15 Mrs. Shea read the following motion Yrom the Human Resources Commission meeting . of April 1� 1976: MOT10N b,y Barbara Shea� seconded by Nancy Lambert� that the Human Resources Commission approve the resolution b,y the YPC and ask the City through the Planning Commission to bring the louth Center under the auspices of the Parks and Recreation Department, Hr. Bergman read the following motion from the Community Development Cormnission meeting of June 8� 1976; hI0TI0N by Dennis Schneider� seconded by Hubert Lindblad, that the Community Development Commission recommend to Planning Commission concurrence with the creation oF a teen center in Fridley to be operated as indicated on Page 2 of the Human Resources Commission meeting minutes of Anril 1, 1976 paragraphs one through three az!d� further� that the City guarantee the use of the library within 3fl days after acceptance of the charter as a teen center. Also� that a time limit of one monih be set for each Cor.�i.ssion to appoint a person to the temporary board of directors. If a Commission doe, not make their appointment within the one month period� then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill that position on the temporary board of directors. l�rther, that the temporary board of direcLOrs consist o£ an ex-officio Parks & Recreation Commission member or their designaie. Mr. Bergman said he would like to comment fhrther, and stated that the Community Development Commission haA this on their agenda on and o£f for six months. He stated that they had all gotten involved in general discussion, had listened to other's comments� and had finally gotten to the guts of the matier at their last meeting when Mr. Storla was present, 'rIe continued that initially they had • been concerned that there was not a formal ope:ating procedurl of how this wou�d be run, what hours it would be open, what they would do in it, ii' it would be structured or unstructured, as all of these questions were not answered. �ie stated that they finally backed of£ to th� Hwnan Resources position at one of their previ.ous meetings rahere the statemeni was made that the youth had put in enough time on this and strould not, at this point, be burdened with a lot of detailed questions. He commented that these could be c.orked out during the development of the charter. Mr. Bergman said they had gotten into a discussion on City Hall space� and they took a look at the old library and the Parics and Recreation office and the outer o£fice, and concluded that in their opinion there was enaugh space in the Fridley City Hall. He stated that there might have to be some adjustment to occupancy, but it could be made to work. Mr. Bergman continued that they had talked about possible problems in a lengthy conversation, and from having started from a position of roughly S0� for and 5o� against, it was interesting that by the time they completed their discussions and considerations there was unanimous agreement on one key point--the thing should be given a chance, He stated that was the basic position of Community Development; it may or may not work, but it should be given a chance. The over-viev and control of this kind of thing, Mr, liergman stated, logically should fall within Parks and itecreation. He said that comments had been made that Parks and Hecreation spends a lot of time with young kids, but not too much time was applied to teenagers. Mr. Bergman continued that Community Aevelopment � felt commitments should be made by the city at this time, prior to a detailed charter. He stated he wanted to point out that all five subcommittees have studied the proposal and all five have stated on record that they are in favor of a youth center, He added that there have been some concerns as to where it should be located� who should operate it� will it work, parking problems, Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 18 ball facilities, games, etc. He stated the question that came to his mind was . if the center was really needed or not, and he hadn�t seen anything that said a teen location is needed. He continued that he had the feeling if it was developed and if it failed� it would be detrimental to the youth development within the cormnunity, Mr. Boardman said he would like to see several things happen as far as if the city is going to be cormnitted to youth; it should be committed in the organization of youth and the recreational activitie� of yonth. He thought if this was to get going there would have to be more there that said they were going to coordinate this whole program� and maybe what they need is not a center but the whole gamut of recreatianal function like they have in St. Louis Park, Mrs. Gahel said she would have to disagree with that, and she didn't think the youth would have spent so much time going around in circ2es if they didn't feel that was what they needed. She stated that their feelings didn't necessarily reflect the youth�s, and suggested they listen to the youths to a degree and give them a chance to set their guidelines. Fir. Boardman said he thought the program was fine to be started but it should be carried on,, and said there had to be something from the city to support this action. He continued that if it was felt a teen center should be started and space was a]located in City Ha21� there ^hould be more backing it up and more interest in it than just giving them a space. Mr. Langenfe].d said he got the impression that what they were really after was momentum. He stated it was true the youths had been going to Commission after Commission for some time, but if they were given a temporary erea there might • be a big sigh o£ relief and the whole momentum might fizzle out. Aowever, he added� he did think it should be given a chance so they could find out, Mr. Bergman stated he did not agree with Mr. 13oasdman's cotmnents� and felt what they were talking abont was a matter of priorities as far as space was concerned and what Parks and Recreation should be doing. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission concur with the motion from the Community Development meeting of June 8, 1976, and recormnend to City Council the creation of a teen center in Frid7.ey to be operated as follows: This youth center should have a temporary board of directors consisting of six regular members and two ex-o£ficio members. Regular members shall be appointed by the following groups: one by the r'ridley City Council, one by the Fridley Planning Commission, one by the Fridley Human ftesources Commission, and two by the P'ridley Youth Project Committee, One ex-o£ficia member sha1Z be appointed by the Fridley City Council and one by the Fridley Police Department. The temporary board of directors should serve for not more than thirty days during which time they will write the charLera establish the interim rules for the youth center and facilitate the election for regular members to the permanent board. The appointed ex-officio members will also serve on the permanent board. � Admi.nistratively, the youth center will be under the auspices of the Parks and Ftecreation Department who will assign sLaff to supervise and carry out the guidelines established by the board of directors. � U -:• page 17 pl�yng Commission Meeting - June 23� 147b seminar across the stre�t educational from five had conducted � stated that five dire.ctorso they nad le nad turned out•a discussed their operations, pgr, Starla said tnat the teen centers in �d abput Tifty peOP ad attended � had contactedh3d talked to tihe diYl'erent teen centers h asked iY tneY � Crystal� to h that. Mr. Yetierson had gone lrector� and had gone been throug Mr Storla replied they ctivitie5 1�� had the time d tne Comm'��ty A He adaed that iY they Lne StaYS otheY cities. olis an ids. didn't have police in Fiinneap in Coon Hap �om iled, but they Suburban one looking at this £or s� tne t�orthe�hey He said that after �nd money could have had statistics and tnought perhaps the City did. ike to see it set up. uality {,�ey would 1� made by the �virorunental Q months the motion p;0'�'ION bY Lee P.nn to the Commission ly�b meeting: to planning Mr� L�genfeld read their MaY 1�� to reco:�unend �ammission from the minvtes of l�ing servlces ana discussion bY t�rother Sullivan� eo le of all gporre� seconded t�or royyde comprenensive recrea�i°�nsPlor P p board that the City P aiverse recreatione�Pnav}ng a temPoraT'y �ommission estanlish ttee be de�elop tnat funds be used to Comml d two ex-ofr1Cio memeers. d that a Youth PrograiTi roups� �ne by tn� r'ridlcY ages an oi six regular members an trie rridley Huma� oe appointed 'oy tne iollc�ing g one bY �d tiwo by oY directors consria 1 g planning Commission� Co�ission, Regular members tpe hridley � ecreation oinied cil one by az.,�s and K Shall be aPP City �o� ' Ssion� one by the P pne eX-oYYicio member the r'ridley police llepartment. Hesources Commi ect Commlttee. the Fridley"louth proJ d one oY reed with Gity Council an and he ag by the P'ridley reat li Po ta�t, � to get the riaa discussedpo i�eaqugte as 0 riy stated it Mr, LangenYeld said theys a SPace maY ro ecL oYY tne �r�� ,swer Mr. �oa�`� that perhap et the F� implemented t�e � d so YorLh to g motion was �o�ittees, board�� proper Plaz''°ing �' chis particulai' ail tne feel is was nis Yeeling tnat once establishing What they Would take place by as t° the use of the cenUer �he pinal dete^�nination motion on Yor they could make oiSicial etc.� then that they had not made a ion was availaole• ge added h �£orn� t�iey necessaz'YHall as they felt not enoug },a�ing the City e�s had also made a motion S said a but their motion rave t og the Youtht eytfelt the space there might p Mrs, Gabel said t�he �oncepard of Pp thin� to Favor o� „ in the City Hall as �ould talk thiand it was were in oint was they enou�h, „temporary facility d �,p�d long {,o 6e not adequate. She stated the P �ould move on it. �d the kids had been sent as'°'i'�d a�' d direction so they ,death, a three-year or now time to take some forwar that tnere be xe Stated that Staff's recommendation Hall area. and the said it +�� ryn r,rithin the City the librarY �'ea� would Mr. ��ar�'an eXpansion pr�g would be ear do� the line) possible five-ye a�ed space for development the th}rd y center does ticip nated (possibly if the teen the first an There£ore� he said, y�d Recreation last space that would be desig end it go into the Parks by the Parks and Recreation area. �}all� Staff Kould reC�mmee yeyx.$). yrea on a1temP°Sa� basis (one to inning, this proJect since its begls needed. had been involved with reed a teen center ission� he questioned �,� Boaz.�an stated he uP that a11 the Commissions a� activitY e� hang- �he g�vironmental �O�mmrecreational and he had a r some kind �e stated $e said that as he discTe�iy needed or if the most Deneficon ln Which they iY a center is what is that Would be oing for youth is the thing k has an oPeration ge oUth activities program a week for teen� y basket- he had just heard that St. I.�uis P�' use of tennis aourts� open the j�lor high school three o�facilities� su�h as dances� use of swimming F� Plnnning CoTmnission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 20 and tells them their time is up and not to come back for the rest of the day, ' Mr. Bergman said it was a five-minute li.mit� and would like to ask how many •`, games of ping-pong a youth could play in five minutes. Mr. Boardman explained Lhat Lhe Parks and Recreation offices were right oFf the outside p2ay area� and it was disturbing to those oFfices, and that was the reason the time limits were imposed. He added that he xas upset about the time limits, too, but they xere the rules that Paul Brown set on those things because nf the type of admin- istrative activity going on. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Storla if he had talked to District 1l�, and Mr. Storla explained that they couldn't be in schools during school hours, and after school hours they would be dealing with Community Schools. Mr. Harris seid he wondered if the Eoard of Directors couldn�t be appointed and the whole thing organiz�a ��a at that time some discussion could be held with District 11�. He said it seemed to him that the schoo2 districts had to be involved in it�somehow. Mr. Boardman said that to his understanding, that was the direction it would have to go to be any kind of successful operatian� as a teen cenLer would noL provide the type of activites that teens wanted, ie: dances, hayrides, etc. Mr. Harris stated that it seemed to him that these people had carried the ball about as Yar as they could and have come to the city to nelp them. 6. LUT SPLI'1' HEQuEST L.S. #Yb-oy BY I;HJ CUNSTRUCTTON COMPAtvY (JOtirv 7AvAN): Split Lot 2� Audiior�s Subdivision No, 9� into three building sites, (Zoned R-2� will be developed as K-1). Uenerally located at Hillwind Road and I.-69k. � Mr. John Logan� representing uxJ Construction Company was present, Ae passed out to the Commission updated copies of the application for the lot split as the original ones lacked the name and address oi the property owner. He also distributed copies o£ a letter from Mr. Mark Z. Jones, the property oraner, granting germission for the lot split. He informed the Commission that Mr. Jones was selling GHJ the land contract subject to the lot split, and introduced Mr, and Mrs. Del Johnson, prospecCive owners. He explained they wanted to buy the second 7ot for a future home site. Mr. Logan said he checked with the City Engineering Department to get the water and sewer locations so Lhe connections wou2d be available to each of the three lots. Chairperson Harris asked if he intended on buiZding single-Samily houses, and Mr. I.ogan replied he did. Mr. Harris asked if the lots had been checked for size, ana Mr. Boardman 2nswered they Kere all large ettough for single-family under the code and sewer and water was available to all three lots, He added th�.f, the Gity Staff had no problem tiaith the application. Mrs. Shea questioned if he was going io have to use quite a bit of fill, and Mr. Logan replied the first two lots would need little or no fill but the third loi may require some. He added that the building site itself would be on solid ground, Chairperson Harris asked if there was a ten foot easement on the side of one of the lots� and Mr. Boardman said that was where the sewer and water lines � were. Mr..l3oardman explai.ned that these lots would face on Hillwind Hoad� and on the other side was more H-1 property. . P].anning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 19 � Flzrther, that the �it,y gua^-mtee the use of the librar,Y within ;0 da.,ys after acceptance of the charter as a teen center, klso� that a time limit of one month be set for each Commission to appoint a person to the temporar,y board o£ directors. If a commission dOP.S not make their appointment within the one-month period, then the YPC has the right to appoint a person to fill. that position on the temporary board of directors, Fltrther� that the temnorary board of directors consist o£ azi ex-of£icio Parks and Recreation Co2mnission mer�ber or their designate. Mr. Peterson said i£ he were on the City Council he would ask several questions that have not been answered yet� as far as he was concerned� such as how man,y people would be involved, aere tnere any duplicate services within the community, etc, He stated that in Parks and Recreation they had asked that the Y be contacted, Comrmmity Schools� and if it was going to be a duplication of servi.ces that already exist or if they rrere talking about thirty people out o£ a pop- ulation of several thousand. Ae stated he did not think the City Council was going to take action based on the information available� and he would be a little unhappy i£ they did. Mrs. 5hea said that as far as the Y goes that was still five years awa,y, and would be strictly family membership and not individual membership. She added if a family couldn't pay about $200 to belong, a member of that famil,y could not go there. tir. Peterson said that wasn�t true because he haopened to be on the Board of Directors for Northwest Y in St. Paul which was a£amily Y� and t!�ere were many teenagers that participated, rirs. Shea stated that the,y • had a one-night a week program in that Y, and tlr. Peterson said he dicin�t think that was true, He added that he didn't imow what the timetable was for the Northeast Y� but maybe there were other services that were duplicated. Mr. Storla said that iS a youth wanted to go somewhere tonight� for example� the only place would be the Family Flu't Genter which �ras a pinball hall� and there was the question of value of the atmosphere there. He added that they had not come up with any other aciivities where a youih could go right now� and haven't seen any duplications. Chairperson Harris said they had been talking around in circles, and what it boiled down to was space al2ocation� and that was the hang-up with Staff and ParkS and Recreation. He said he honest2y didn't lmow in his mind if putting it in City Hall was going to work, but he £elt there should be one. Mr. Boardman said he didn't think that was the main hang-up, and said he felt they could go xith temporar,y space in the City Hall with no problem. He stated he felt they should be thinking o£ a more permanent type situation, and about the programs for youth and if that space is oriented to the programs they want. Mr. Harris said that then the next step in his mind was to get the thing of£ the ground, have them put together a board of directors, and at that time determine where the space should be. UPON A VOICE vOTE, Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld� Shea and Gabel voting aye� Peterson voting nay� the motion carried 5- l. . Mrs. Gabel�said that a number of youths had told her about the ridiculous rules and regulations that were imposed in the downstairs Parks and Itecreation area where there were some facilities for them to use. She stated she was told that when the youth's ten minutes vere up, some person gets crabby and Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 19T6 Psge 22 2. Anoiher one oY' their concerns was the vacation of streets, and uere worried that if it shows on a map that there is a street easement �': then developers would anticipate that to be in. 3, Mother concern was that the map shows behind the residentisl property a right-of-way at 83rd between East River Road ana the railrcad trzcks. That right oY way is not in. 83rd has been designated as a state-aid road� and StaFf has agreed to change this map. 4. They were also concerned about 83rd on North Park side. ihat is a dedicated right-of-way there. They want to vacate that �iortion of Ashton, e].iminate the railroad crossing, and vacate all of B3rd. Mr, t�oardman stated that City Staff felt that although there would probab2y never be a railroad crossing at that location, Ashton to 83rd would have io be maintained in order to service the properties on Ironton 4f lot splits occur. He sai.d there was one loL split in there already; and although the people in the area say they are going to keep those properties and never request it, i� ihey did sell there would be the possibility that the new owners might recuest it, Therefore� he stated� they did not feel the vacation of Ashton was a good idea. Mr, Boardman continued that as far as on the East side of the railroad tracks was concerned� he didn't feel that vacating the right o: way at this iime would be a good idea either� and said he didn'L see any purpose in it. Ae said that if the area develops, it most likely wouldn't develop along 83rd, and thought it wor,Id just be an exercise in futility. He stated that there was a utility on 81st, and utility easemenLs would have to be maintained. � Mr. Langenfeld asked if there wasn't an implied notation in this for preservation of North Park, anfl Mr. Boardman replied that to a certain extent there was. He said he didn't think North Park wanted an industrial road on its south boundary. He added that he felt it was a mistake in the first place to run the sewer lines where they ran them, because i£ any kind of development goes in there the line could be detrimental to the road. Mr. Boardman said that as to the question of the oak tree, it was located on Ironton just East of the interesection of Ironton and Hugo Streeb. He stated that the curb that was presently on Zronton runs to Hugo Street, is blacktop for a little ways and then is dirt road to Ashton and down to Ely, and the oak tree did stick within the curb line. Mr. Harris asked what type of oak tree it was, and Mrs. Shea answered a white oak. Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to bring up two points. First, he said, the F�vironmental Quatity Commission felt that the petition was trying to stop something that wasn't even planned yet; and secondly� the Ehvironmental Commission made a motion that any development that took place in this area be referred to the kihvironmental Quality Commission in the beginning stages. He stated he would also Iike to bring up that he would like this Corunission to be referred to as the Fridley Environmenta2 Q,uality Commission because sometimes there was reference to the State Commission and there was conflzsion. MOTtON by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission concur � with the motion inade by the Community Development Commission and recommend to Lhe City Council that there be tto change ta present street patterns as requested by petition B-1976 at the present time, and thst signs be placed at Tronton Street to prohibit industrial truck traffic on Ironton Street. The following considerations apply: �� � • - Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 23 1. Some oY the involved property is not yet developed and may require street service. 2, lndustrial activity may result from additional development adding access pressure. 3. Until further and more Yinal develo�nent plans are presented� the possibility of the right-of-xay and railroad crossing on 83rd should not be dropped. !t. Every consideration should be taken to preserve the tree if road development occurs. Chairperson asked hox truck traffic would get out if not down Ironton, Mr. Boardman answered that Ashton Street was designated as a State-Aid road, and the whole inea behind 83rd as an industrial road was to tie in with the �oon Hapids Development. Hoxever, he continued, Coon Iiapids has tentatively come up with an internal road system in that area; and therefore if 83rd would go in it would be a residential road within the city, He said that truck traffic out oY that industrial area should be routed dorm Ashton to 79th and out at 79th, IIPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 8. STRT'ET WID'FH S'1'AIrDARDS Mr. Boardman stated that the memo from '1'om Colbert dated May 28, 197b on this subject was seli'-explanatory. He said there are set street width standards as SolloWS: Heavy Industrial Park Municipal 5tate Aid Street Arterial & Collector Resi- dential 50 feet 44 i'eet 3b Teet tlowever, he said, there are examples oY other size streets. He continued that some oY them are based on environmental reasons, some on certain conditions in the area, or other things. Mr. tsoardman said that the City Council has the authority when a plat was neing done to determine the road size. Another thing that determines it� he said� was the amount oY parking that wauld be needed in the area; or if no oYf'-street parki.ng vas going to be allowed that xoula also nave some determination on the road sridth. He stated there were variables that could be looked into. Mr. I,angenYeld rei'erred the Commi.ssion to page 6 of the minutes of the Planning Commission meeting of June 9, 1976, and said Mr. }3ergman's statement in the 6th paragraph very clearly expressed his feeling at this time. He asked if they were supposed to make a policy statemenL or just agree �.rith what they had read, Mr. Bergman said that he and Chairperson Harris had discussed this and agreed • that a policy�statement should be presented from this Commission to identify and rein£orce the propriety of standards. He suggested the following in addition to what Mr. Colbert had de£ined: Planning Commission Meeting - June 23, 1976 Page 2!t Heavy Industrial Park Municipal State Aid Street Arterial & Collector Residential S e 2ected or Probl.em Areas 50� curb to curb - 66� right-oY-way 44' curb to curb - 60� right-of-way 36 � curb to curb (providing parking on both sides} _ 50' right-of-way 31� curb to curb (parking on one side) - L5� right-of-way Mr. Langenfeld asked if the last one was more in 2ine with something like lnns- bxvck, and Mr. Boardman said it would be. He said that due to the development of the terrain, it might be such that those structures could not be shifted and still preserve the character oF the development. He stated in that case a smaller street width would be appropriate� and added that another thing to consider was if the road was concrete. Chairperson Harris said he thought some mention should be made of that. He stated it seemed to him that under certain circumstances it would be to ihe city�s advantage to have the concrete streets. He continued that in those cases where there was a narrow street and parking was restricted, or if there was a problem area for one reason or another, he thought they should seriously think alaout going to concrete streets. He added that they may cost more to begin with, but in the long run the streets last longery maintenance is much less, plus there is a better driving surface. Mr, Bergman said they had gotten down to a 31' curb to curb width which provides for parking on one side and asked iS there should be consideration for a narrower street than that withi.n a standard. Chairperson Harris replied that he felt under certain circumstances there could be� but there would have to be a couple of criteria met. F'irst of all, he said, there conld be no on-street parking; and secondly, he thought they should be concrete streets. N,r, Boardman said he felt a narrow sireet like that should not be in a residential area because of parking� and Mr. Harris said the problem was that they had already done it. He cited Innsbruck as an example, where even the private roads were set up �rith a 24� driving surface. Air. Boardman said that if they did go to a residential area with a 2!t' street with no on-street parking, it should be similar to what they did in Minneapolis with their parkway system. He continued that in a residential area pull-o£fs should be provided to al2ow f'or some off- street parking. Mrs. Uabel asked about snow plowing, and Mr. Boardman said he didn�t think there was much oP a problem. Mr. Bergman stated he was trying to think of a case where that would be done, if not in residentia].. Certainly it wouldn't be in industrial, he said. Mr. Boardman said the only place he could think of would be perhaps a service road into a park area. He said another thing it would do is narrox the road enough so it wouldn�t be used as a dragstrip, and added that if on-street parking wasn't needed there was no sense in going with a wider road. Mrs. Uabel said she felt it was time some firm policy was set up and that it not be so negotiable. Mr. Langenfeld said he was very concernad a»d thought the citq should stick to its guns as far as the standard was concerned. 4 , �i � L �� �f Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 Page 2$ MOTIOW by Bergcnan, seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planning Commission announce � to the City Council and to the City Administration their concern for standardiaation of street widths, and recommend to Council the adoption of street width policy as follows: Heavy lndustrial Park Fiunicipal State Aid Street Arterial & Collector Residential Selected or Problem Areas Service Drives 50' curb to curb - 66� right-of-way !�� curb to curb - 60� right-o£-way 36' curb to curb (providing parking on both sides} - 50� right-oS-rray 31' curb to curb (parking on one side) - 1t5� right-o£-way 24' curb to curb (no oarking} - t�0� right-of-way It is the intention of the Planning Commission that these standards be adhered to�i.n any considerations and recommendations involving street widths. Mrs. Uabel asked what criteria would be used to determine selected or problem areas� and Mr, Petersen suggested it would be vrell to strike the selected or problem areas from the motion. He suggested har:dling anything that was a unique situation as it came up� and thought the,y should come before the various Commissions and be debated on the merits o£ that particular street. Mr. Boardman said if this was established as policy� they could then request a variance from this and go through that procedure. Mr. Bergman agreed that the label "selected or problem areas" wa_s a bad c?�oice, � and suggested ihe term "limited parking". Mr. Harris suggested saying 31� and 21t' streets with variance� but Mr. Bergman said he was thinking that in some cases a 31' with parking on one side would be the proper street width, and it wouldn't make sense that there would have to he a variance for that. Mr, Petersott said that in all the areas in Fridley that had a J1� street with parking on one side, he was not sure he lme�a of any area where it really £it in. Therefore, he continued, the 31� and 2!�' streets should require a variance because it should be a special use for a speciFic purpose, hlr. Harris said then if one- side parki.ng was desired� it could be stipulated at the time o£ the variance process. Mr. Bergman ATfENDED the MOTtON to delete the Selected or Problem Areas and Service Drives, and add the following: In special situations 31� curb to curb (115� right of' way) or 2!�' curb to curb (1y0� right-of-way)� requiring a variance request. Seconaed by Langen£eld, UPON A VQIGE VUTE, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 9. COnTINUID: RECOTSMENDATIONS ON HUMAN DEVELOPI�tENT UOALS ANA OBJECTIVES MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Cormnission table this subject until the next scheduled meeting. � Planning Commission Meeting - June 23� 1976 ADJOURt�MENT Page 26 MOTLON by Uabel� seconded by Sergman, that the meeting be adjourned. U��on a voice vote� aIl voting 2ye, Chazrperson Harris declared the Planning CorNnission meeting of June 23, 1976 adjourned at 22:17 A.M. by unanimous vote, Respectfull,y submitted� h ,,� , �ir�r�i l^� � mn Sherri 0'Donnell Secretary � .. � � � � � \_J �r MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERS ABSENT: i SPECIAL MEETING OF THE PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION JUNE 14, 1976 Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Leonard Moore, Jan Seeger Harvey Wagar None OTHERS PRESENT: Jerrold Boardman - Ci[y Planner Robert Divine - Citizen Kathy Divine - Citizen Ed Dunn, Chamber of Commerce Chairperson Bob Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. It was the consensus of the Commission to set a recess time of 4:30 p.m. APPROVAL OF AGENDA The Cmqmission agzeed to only discuss the two items on the agenda; 1. REVXEW FLOW CHI+RT FOR COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAN 2. DiSCUSSION ON PR0.TECT COPPfITTEES REVIEW FZOW CHART FOR COMPREHENSIVE PARK PLAPi �7 This special Parks & Reczeation Commission meeting was called by Bob Peterson at the recommendation of Jerrold Boardman, to go through the Parks & Recreation Comprehensive Park Plan Flav Chart and to look at the possibilities of establishing some neighborhood project committees. Mr. Boardman stated that on the flow chart, they are lookinq at a possible time period of the Comprehensive Park P1an of 12/20/76 for the City Council. He said this had been revised somewhat after finding out that the Parks & Recreation Commission had already set up a projecC committee for the overview of recreational needs. The Commission wi21 look at the recreational programs suggested by this project committee and see how these programs relate to the citizen's needs. He said that the staff did an analysis of what they thought were feasible recreation neighborhoods and came up with 13 neighborhoods. They would like to set up some project committees in each one of the 13 neighborhoods. These project committees would analyze recreational facilities within their neighborhoods and indicate what they would like pYOVided for zecreation in each neighborhood. He said that this would tie in very well with the project committee the Commnission has set up for recreation. Hopefully, this project committee can be put together in a couple of weeks so information can be given to the overview project committtee and then they can come up with some ideas around the end of September or October. He said he thinks the Commission has set a time period of the end of October for input fraa ihe overview committee. He would recoamend that the Commission move that time period up to the end of September to meet the December date for the City Council. : SPECIAI. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 14 1976 Page 2 Some of the Commission members felt this might be a problem because of vacations, etc., during the summer months. Mr. Peterson also felt that it would he very difficult to move the October date up and get the type of job done that the Co�ission really wants. Mr, Boardman staced that they may have to set the same date for the Neighborhood Praject Committees. Ae had anticipated the Neighborhood Project Committees' formulation and ideas prior to the time the Commission comes in with the over- view committee, but they should probably be brought in at the same time, Mr. Peterson stated that tonight the Commission is,acting on; If the Commission wants to create these Neighborhood Project Co�ittees; we have to determine the scope of the project couunittees; and how they are going to be formulated. Mr. Boardman explained the solid and dotted lines on the map. The solid lines represent neighborhoods...the dotted lines represent areas within that neighbor- hood and should be represented as part of the neighborhood. The dotted lines are indicated that way because of the different characteristics of the neighbor- hood as well as the different facilities and service areas. Mr. Boardman explained the Parks & Recreation Comprehensive Plan Flow Chart to the Commission indicating the Parks & Recreation function, the Project Committee fanction, public input, aild the City Staff function, Through this process, the City Staff will be putting input into various stages of the Comprehensive Plan attd bringing things in at various times for the Park & Recreation Co�ission's Review. DISCUSSION ON PRQJECT COP4ffTTEES Mr. Boardman reviewed the purpose and scope for the Neighborhood Project Comsittees that he had prepared for the meeting. Mr. Aarris expressed concern about the probability oE the Commission finding 5-9 people per committee (approximately 117) people to serve on project cammittees. Ms. Seeger asked the question of whether at any time all the project committees could meet at the same time with the Parks & Recreation Commission. She felt it would he of great value £or the different neighborhoods to meet to discuss. Mr. Peterson stated that according [o the ordinance, all the project co¢mittees thaC are created report to the Parks & Aecreation Cormnission so if the Commission feels that at some point in time they wanted to have a meeting of every neighbor- hood commitee it is well within the scope of this Coimnission, buh it would be the Co�ission's determination as to what it wants to do, i I I � L� �I ' 29 5� � Mr. Boardman saggested that Che Parks & Recreation Commission may want eo hold a meeting initially to give each Lieighborhood Project Committee the same direction aad may want to monitor that direction to see how it is going. Mr. Peterson s[ated that Che reports from the Neighborhood Project Committees should be written up and back to the Commission and to the Recreation Project Commi[tee no later than October 1. He said the Commission needs to have time to digest it and do something about it, and the Recreation Project CommitCee wants to look at it and see how it fits in with their evaluation. Mr. Boardman stated he felt alot of it would depend on what kind of reaction the Coaenission gets from the project coum�ittees. If the Comnission gets good response on the project committees and things run smoothly, the October 1 date will be no problem. But, he added, if the Commission runs into problems with the project committees, the Commission may have to Look at a later date, Ae felt that with the time period of February for going to the City Council, it stili allows time to pnt together a capital improvements program to go into the next budget year. Mr. Peterson personally felt that the Neighborhood Project Cw�mittes's reports should he done a month ahead of the Recreation Covunittee to give the Recreation Co�iCtee a chance to use that in their report before it comes to the Commission. He felt that the Commission must have that one month Lag in 6etween the target dates for Che two different groups, • Mr. Moore asked Mr. Boardman the question that since there are only five Commission members and 13 neighborhood areas, how would the Commission foimulate the project committees for those areas with wuich the commission members are not acqua3nted. Mr. Boardman stated that the main thing in these areas is to first locate a chairperson within each neighborhood, The chairperson may have people he would like for his co�mmittee. A1so, Mr. Boardman said he would advertise in ehe paper about the project committees asking for some response to either the Parks & Recreation Coumission or to the Staff. He also stated that maybe the City Council cauld help. Mr. Harris had the suggesCion that maybe the Commission could take a look at. the Overview Couanittee and in the selection of that committee, ask the members for some suggestions as to people who live in Cheir areas. Mr. Boardmanya}tated that other members of other covm�ission who live in certain areas could riiaybe supply some names, too. �.,. � � SPECIAi. PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1976 Page 4 Mr. Peterson stated that from a procedural standpoint what the Commission should � do is stay with the agenda, Since the Flow Chart has been xeviewed, the Coa�ission is now aware of what the Flow Chart is to accomplish, and the Co�ission has talked about some dates, then the Commission should start picking some dates and work back or else decide that it is going to have 13 Neighborhood Project Committees. If the Commission decides that it is going to do that, it should go to the Neighbor- hood Yroject Committee sheet as given for reviewai and either adopt or make any additions to it as far as scope for the project committees and then the Commission can go back to the Flow Chart and set dates. Aa felt that before the Commission starts worrying about people, it should decide it it is really going to need them. Mr. Harris stated he felt the only way the thing is going to get off the ground is to work Erom a committee of one. The Parks & Recreation Commission chairperson or the Parks & Recreation Commission should select one chairperson from each area and let each chairperson select his own people. The Commission could give a hand by offering zts suggestions if it knows any people. Mr. Peterson stated that the Commission should be responsible for getting the chairpersons for the Neighborhood Project Committees; and the Administration, the Commission, and the Staff be responsible for at Ieast one orientation session with these chairpersons. He feels this is a must if the project is going to get underway. At the orientation meeting, the chairpersoas would get the scope of their responsibilities as defined by the Commfssion, But, he added, for the Commission to pick 7-9 people for each area,it would take until October to just get that job done. � MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Jan Seeger, that the Commission wi11 have I3 Neighborhood Project Committees and that the Commission will try to select one chairperson Erom each neighborhood project area. Upon a voice vote, all votiag aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Moore stated he didn't feel [hat the Co�ission should determine who the chairperson for each project committee should be. He felt the project coumittees should pick their own chairpersons. • Mr. Peterson pointed out that the way the ordinances are set up, he is sure that if this Co�nission establishes project coimnittees that it has the responsibility to see that they are chaired and moving. The ordinance was first written that every project committee had to have a commission member act as a chairperson and it was only after a considerable amount of debate with the City Council that the ordinance was changed to read that the commissions may appoint a chairperson or a canmission member can serve if they so desire, At this point in time, he doesn't think our ordinance is realty set up to allow the Commission to create project committees without appointing a chairperson for them. Mr. Peterson again stated that [he Commission should decide what they want for scope. � E ..� �iti " 31 SPECTAL PARKS &_RECREATION GOPAfISSION MEETING JUNE 14 1976 � Pa e S � Mr. Harris stated that the Commission should make the scope as general as possible and very basic; for instance, what do these people have in their parks, what would they like to see, and what would they want to change in terms of the program. Mr. Boardman stated that it should not be so general that the Commission would have Ghe problem of not getting enough information to get the program together, The three areas he listed for scope were made mainLy on the basis of what he felt was needed in order to put together a good plan and to get those people thinking. Ms. Seeger asked if these people would be given a cost figure so they could determine the type of facility they could afford to put in. Mr. Harris answered by saying that he didn't think they should be told how many dollars. He sYated that these people should just come up with as many ideas as they want and that the Parks & Recreation Co�ission would then set the priorities. Ms. Seeger fe1C this was a mistake. She said she felt the decision should be based upon money, amount of time the facility would be used, how many are going to use it, the ages of the people in Che neighborhood; and how long will they be able to play tennis or baseball. . Mr. Peterson suggested that the C�+mission delete "Keeping in mind the cost/ benefit factor." in Item �3 under Scope. Mr. Boardman stated that it was put in that way because he wanted the people to think realistically. Mr. Wagar stated his concern about the year-to-year budget. He said the Commission can make all kinds of comprehensive plans and get them down in black and white, but it is wasting its time without a financing system--eithes bonding, capital improvements project, etc. Mr. Boardman stated that once the Commission has a plan or set program showing a definite need in the community and what areas are lacking or not lacking, there is always the possibility of Federal funding, 'Ilhere is the possibility of a bonding issue, buC it is not popular in Fridley and probably will never be. MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Leonard Moore, that the Cowaission accept the "Scope" as listed except that in Item 1 the word "existing" be inserted to read as follows: 1. Evaluate presenC facilities for recreating services to the neighborhood. (Keeping in mind exfsting space available on park property.) 2. Evaluate possible changes in usage of present '€acilities, keeping in mind � maximum use of space available. 3. Establish realistic priority listing of additional recreation needs for the naighborhood, keeping in mind the cost/benefit factor, Upon a voice vote, all votinq aye, the motion carried unanimously. F3�� `32 SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1976 Page 6 . Mr. Boardman stated that the Neighborhood Project Committees will be dealing mainly with their own neighborhood and the mini-parks within their areas, Those parks that have been designated as city-wide parks or regional parks will not come under the jurisdiction of the Neighborhood Project Committees, The three parks that would not be considered are Locke Park, North Park, and Islands of Peace. Each Conmiission member volunteered to take certain areas and try to find chair- persons for those areas. They are as follows: Recreation Neighborhood Areas Harvey Wagar - 2, 6, 10, 13 Leonard Moore - 1, 3, 7 Dave Harris - 4, 7, 8, 12 Bob Peterson - 5, 9 Jan Seeger - 11 {will also submit names to the Commission members for other areas) MOTION hy Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Commission will recoum�end that the Neighborhood Project Committees be no more or no less than 5-9 members depending upon how large or small the areas are. Upon a voice vote, aJ.l voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Boardman to make sure that an article is run in the paper � so that any intetested citizens may respond to City Hall. Mr. Boardman also volunheered his time to hold an orientation session for the 13 chairpersons, ED DUNN'S PROPOSAL Mr. Ed Dunn,Chamber of Commerce, sat in on the Parks & Recreation Cormnission meeting for a short time to cite $ problem he has and for which he needs advice. He stated that in January a group af people from the Fridley 49ers advised the City that it needed a bandshell. A package was hurriedly put together because the deadline fot state funds was February 1. On June 1, the City received a letter from the Minnesota 1{merican Revolution Bi.centennial Commission and they granted $5,000. This is not enough for a bandshell. Sinre then, there has been one fund raiser which dfd noC bring i�n much money, and the portable band- shell idea was scrapped. He stated that if the Parks & Recreation Commission would like to consider a proposal for land or something where a matching graat kind of tMing could be done, the $5,000 could be obtained and put into escrow or something. He said the $5,000 is prehty well designated for a handshell as a bicentennial projQCt. If the designation could be changed and the $5,000 could be kept, then it would go wherever it is needed--possibly to the Parks & Recreation Commission. lie said he has also been contacted by several companies who have an interest in �he bicentennial and, because of the graat, are willing to assist in some areas;` � � *+■w--a ,� - SPECIAL PARKS & RECREATION COYAIISSION MEETING, JUNE 14, 1976 Page 7 � Mr. Peterson suggested that Mr. Dunn contact a man namerl Clark Theilmann who spesks for several associations (hockey, softbalt, etc.). They have put Cogether some money and a lot of people have donated free labor to put up a building in Madsen Park. Mr. Theilmann contacted Mr. Peterson to see how the Co�issian felt about this building accomplishing the purpose of both a waxming house and a place for storage, This would certainly be a bicentennial project; and, i£ it could be changed somewhat, there could be a pretty good city building and the associations in town could have their storage facilities all in the same building. Mr. Harris stated that he had talked to several members of the Lion's Club and he felt they would be in favor of supporting a project of that type. Other suggestions mentioned were the new bikeway system and thaC the nature study people are always looking for help. Mr. Dunn stated that if the Commission has any further ideas that they call him at the office. Mr. Petexson asked that further discussion of Dunn's proposal be put on the agenda £or the June 28, 1976, meeting. • MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Aarvey Wagar, to adjourn the meeting at 4:27 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted � L e Saba Recording Secretary �J 33 r.i!' 4)� PRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMP4ISSION MEETING June 15, 1976 MEMBERS PRESEr'T; James Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre, Mike Paripovich, Brother Thomas Sullivan NEMB�RS ABSfirrf; None OTHERS PRESENT: Steve 01son - Environmental Officer Dave Johnson - Boy Srout Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m. APPROV�I. OF MINUTES OF MAY 18 1976, FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMPIISSZON ?`:EETING: MOTION by Brother Sullivan, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to approve the minu[es as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ELECTION OF VICE-CHASRPERSON: MOTIOV by Mike Paripovich, seconded Ly Brother Sullivac, that brucz Ferersen Ue rominated for Vice-Chai:person. Upoa a voice ;ote, all veting aye, the motion carried unani�ous:y. REVIEW PL�aNNING C�P@1ISSION ON itEPLACING CHPs'TFR 212, MI2dII3G S4ND A:� GRAVEL, WITH CHAPTER 70 OF THE li.B,C. DSr. Langenfel�' read the last pazagraph of Page 15 of the Planning Couwiission Meeting Minutes of May 19, 1976: "Mr. Langenfeld stated that ordinances were difficult things for an}� commission to analyze and submit an intelligent recommendation on, and it was made more difficult when inappropriate recommendations were made from $taff. He said tnat frcm now on they would analyze these as a Commission and act on that basis." Mr. Langenfeld said he was not his intention to attack Staff. He had just felt that the Environmental Commissiou had handled it properly, it was resolved at the Planning Commission, and then the Planning Co�issinn gave it right back to the Environmental Commission. He stated, in reading the Planning Commission minutes, that it is found that the U.B.C. 70 chapter is separate and completely remote from the Mining Sand and Gravel ordinance. The reason the Coum�ission is not supposed to SeC involved is because of the fact tl�at there are so many amendments in that code it would virtually be impossible for commissions to get involved. Mr. Olson asked if this wasn't the recommei�dation of the Planning Commission to adopt the U.B.C. code as it was. ��RIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 15, 1976 Page 2 ; Mr. Langenfeld replied, yes, but the thing is again that the U.B.C, Chapter 70 is already in the building code and now the Planning Commission wants the Environmental Cormnission to handle Chapter 212,Mining Sand and Gravel. He would like Che Commission to 6ear in mind from now on that when it rece;ves these ordinances that the Commission look at them strictly and solely on an environmental basis, With Mining Sand and Gravel, he said il- is [rue that the Commission thought this thing wasn't the best taut now the Conunission must study it and look it over and bear in mind, whenever exca•iating of black dirt, etc., is done, that the Commission should be aware of the condition of the area before the excavating was started. He Eee1s that the Em�ironmental Coimnission should submit its secommendations to the Planning Commission. Mr, Langenfeld read the first paragraph of Page 15 of the Planning Commission Minutes, May 19, 1976; "Chairman Harris read from Chapter 70 of the Uniform BuiZding Code under Section 7003 �ohere it stated that no person shall do any grading without first having obtained a grading permit from the Building Official except for the following, and under Number 6 it stated: Mining, quarrying, excavating, processing, stock- piling of rock, sand, gravel, aggregate or clay where estabLished and provided for by law provided such operations do not a£fect the Zat2ral support or increase the stresses in or pressure upon a_,ry adjacent or continguous property. Iie srated L-Fat this is where the. mining code would come into effect, as Chzp*_er 70 would cover everything bat that.° Mr, La:n�enfeld stated thae rioht there is the nucleus of the Environmental Commission's d2cis4on. Mr, Olson conmiented that, to his knowledge, Chapter 70 has not bean adopted yet. He said he could be wrang. Mr, Langenfeld stated that Mr. Boardman didn't want to delete. Chapter 212 - Mining Sand & Gravel. There caere two different functions. A4ining Sand and Gravel covers the actual commercial operation whereas U,B,C, 70 handles guide- lines and sets forth standards for setting the grades, etc. Mr. Langenfeld stated that what he is trying to say is that Chapter 70 takes caze of the standards as for setting up grades, that we have our own which we should handle as far as the Environmental Commission, and that we should completely forget about Chapter 70. Mr. Paripovich stated that he had understood that Chapter 212 - Mining Sand and Gravel would cover the mining operation and Chapter 70 would cover everything else. ��-. 36 FRIDLEY ENVIRONMCNTAL COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 15 1976 Page 3 Mr. Langenfeld then referred to Mr. Boardman's statement from the Planning Commission minutes, May 19, 1976: "Mr. Boardman explained they were talking ahout two separate things. He said they were adopting Chapter 7Q of the U,B.C, as a document to'fit into the building code, He further explained that the building code operation was separate from the actual zoning code operation which controlled lands; and the building code was for actual detailing of construction of buildings. He said the reason this doesn't go to the Planning Commission is because they would be bogged down as there are constant amendments." Mr. Paripovich asked Mr. Olson to explain the "reason this doesn't go to the Planning Commission is because......". He wondered what "this" referred to. Mr. Olson said it referred to U,B,C, 70 and that there are continual changes in the U.B.C, as per state code. If the Cocmnission adopts U.B.C, 70, he said they would automatically adopt any changes that are incotgorated into it. He felt that would be the best way; otherwise you get tied up in any word change or small change that would come through. Mr. Paripovich stated that he didn't have the same understanding. He had under- stood that there was no language existing to cover these operations at the time, and ttie search for neca language to cover a11 the other eventualities the Commission would take from Chapter 70 and incorporate it into our Log--not with any connec- tion with U.B.C, or anything else; just that now it would be part of our code and until the City amended it, it would stay as is. Mr. Langenfeld corrected Mr. Paripovich's statement by stating that Chapter 70 has already been proposed so this thing is already unamended, What we have to do as a Commission is make the necessary changes needed or wanted for this particular mining portion. Mr. Langenfeld said it was his understanding that Chapter 70 would be incorporated no mattes what and would be the guideline regardless. Mr. Ol�on suggested that, since this is a permit to mine, the Environmental Commission should put some stipulations on the permit and maybe one of those stipulaCions would be that the operation be conducted as per Chapter 70. Mr. Langenfeld stated his idea was perhaps, first of all, to alter the tiCle of Chapter 212; secondly, to bear in mind that if there is any "strip-mining" that the property or land be restored to its original condition. He said his feeling is that the Commission should really look at changing the Mining Sand & Gravel. Maybe at this time it could be changed to "Excavating and Grading" even though that is part of the title of U,B.C. 70. 3� FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING JUNE 15 1976 Page 4 Mr. Paripovich stated that Chapter 70 is to go into the building code and cover all l-he liCtle stuff--anything except mining, excavating (large scale) land moving operations. He would suggest Chat we consider establishing guidelines as to what is a mining operation and the Environmental Commission or some other commission should review these applications individually to determine what is mining in the City of Fridley. Mr. Langen£eld thought Mr. Paripovich's statement was good and that there the Commission could actually incorporate this into Chapter 212. He feels that is what the Planning Commission wants from the Environmental Commission. Mr. Olson stated that basically what is needed in Chapter 212 is a little bit of shifting-- maybe some statement about what the condition of the land is going to be like after it is done. Maybe the Commission could expand a little on the application_ Brother Sullivan pointed out 212.03, item h: h) At the end of each season's operations and no later than the Last day of December of eacfi year, the pit is to be left in a neat and orderly condition, with reasonably uniform slopes without over- T�ng and without vertical banks and with a level bottom. Mr. Paripovich read Section 7003 of Chapter 70 and stated that the definition of mining is right there. After reading that section, he said it made it more clear to him that it is definitely for building and he feLt excavating and grading was of a lesser degree than actual mining, To simplify this, he stated that the Commission should set aside Chapter 70 as a building code as it was an accepted thing by the City and have Chapter 2Z2 as a means of controiling any- thing that falls under Item 6. Mr. Paripovich stated that Mr. Boardman had a good point when he said we are accepting major land change operations and we will be taking Chapter 70 on as our building code, Properly we shouldn't be considering land moving operations in our building code. He said we need some- thing to cover that and Chapter 212 would do the job. Any operations fatling under Item 6 of Section 7003 should be covered by the existing ordinance 212. •Mr. Langenfeld stated he still felt that the Commission should go through Chapter 212 paragraph by paragraph, bearing in mind Item 6 of Section 7003. Maybe an idea or proper wording might come about that way. Mr. Langenfeld then read 212.01 - Mining Permit Required: "A mining permit shall be applied for and shall be issued by the Zoning Administrator for the mining of sand, gravel, rocks, minerals, peat or dirt of any kind in Fridley where such operations will substantially alter the existing ground contour or would change existing drainage or would cause flooding or erosion or where dynamite or other explosives are used generally or incidenhally in said mining operations or where such operations affect the value, use and enjoyment of other property in Fridley.° �.,� -,. � . FRIDLEY ENVIRO;�':tENTAL COMMISSION MEETING NNE 15 197G Page S Mr. Langenfeld asked the question that at this point does this type of operation really take place. Mr. Olson answered, yes, and related some of the operations going on right now-- one of which is Northern States Power. He felt that the defini[ion should be changed, Excavations of any remaining sand and gravel and that type of operation are not covered in Chapter 212. Mining and stockpiling should be considered also. He also felt these operations should be handled individually and a pernit process should go through some covrtnission or public hearing of seme kind other than having the Zoning Administrator have sole res.ponsibility. Mr. Langenfeld stated that this thing can be a visual thing, too, and can visually be unfit environmentally when starting with land fill. From the Commission's standpoint, he feels that a mining permit should not be issued until it is studied and approved by this Commission. The Commission members agreed. Mr. Olson suggested that Mr. Langenfeld alter that statement by saying that the gexmit would first go to the Environmental Commission for recommendation and then to the Planning Commission for approval or disapproval. Mr. Paripovich suggested as an Item 4 under Section 212.03: 4. received approval from the Fridley Environment-al Co�nission Mr. Olson felt it would be better to insert a statement like that right in the beginning under 212.01, buC didn't know if it should be the FridLey Environmental Commfssion firsC or the Planning Commission £irst. � Mr. Langenfeld felt that the Zoning Administrator portion of 212.01 caas fine. He sCated that maybe under the application itself, the Commission could put in: "any person desiring a permit should submiC a written application setting forth the following facts and then these facts be presented to the proper commissions." Then, the Environmental Commission could stay away from the issuance of the permit itself as far as the Zoning Administrator is concerned. Mr. Langenfeld suggested to the Commission that it should entertain a motion st3pulating that any mining o£ sand or gravel must be referred to the Environ- mental Commission. If the Planning Commission agreed to this motion, then it would go on record that any form of mining of sand and gravel would have to come to this Commission before this particular permit could be granCed. MOTION by Mr. Paripovich, seconded by Brother Sullivan, that until Chapter 212 is revised, the Fridley Environmental Commission requests that operations which fall into that category sgecified by Chapter 212, the plans for these operations be reviewed by the Fridley Environmental Commission and recommendation be received from Che Fridley Environmental Commission prior to issuance of a permit, Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. �9 FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL C0.'�iMISSION MEETING, JUNE 15, 1976 Page 6 The Commission membezs agreed to study.Chapter 212 and bring back their recommendations for hhe next meeting. Mr. Olson suggested that the Commission members study at- least these three documents; U.B.C. 70, Chaptet 212 - Mining Sand and Gravel, and the Golden Valley ordinance. He mentioned he would make any copies that were necessary, and would bring copies of current application forms to the next meeting. He also stated that he caould like stockpiling, fill operations, and zoning to be considered. Mr. Olson noticed that in Section 212.04 �,t seemed inconsistent for the City Council to be involved. He thought maybe that could be changed to the Planning Commission. t�(OTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, that Steve 01son be directed to report to the rridley Environmental Commission at the next month's meeting the number of people who are currently handling operations which fa2Z uader Chapter 212, whether or not those parties have permit; and,if not, what the City will be doing about it, Upon a voice vote, aZl voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTLQN by Bruce Feterson, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that this discussion be tabled until the neat month's meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the moticn c3rried unaninously. Brother Sullivar, stated that. the Commiss;.on should makz kaewn to the Planniag Commission that the Enviroamental Com�nission inten.ds to make recommendations or rev'isions on Chapter 212 - riining Sar.d z.nd Gravel. 1�Ls. Sporre stated Lhat, oL-her than CHnapter 212, she would like to include other things at the next meeting which are pertinent--that this phase is only one parL' of the stewardship of 1and, She felt grade change, iill, complete amiihi- lation of vegetation ought to be addressed in some way. MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Mike Paripovich, that Steve Olson report back to the Environmental Commission at the next meeting on when Land Alteration Chapter 53 was taken out of code, the date it was done, who did it, and the reason it was taken out. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REVIEW SECTION 205.02, PARAGRAPH 28, OF THE FRIDLEY CITY CODE: HOME OCCUPATION, BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF SOME HOME DCCUPATIONS ON THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD Air. Langenfeld stated that what he thinks the �nvironmental Commission is asked to do is try to provide any direction as far as some of the accessory buildings or any other form of home occupation that is definitely out of the ordinary in relation to secondary or incidental usa�e of the dwelling. A11 the Commission is looking at this for is to see if there are any comments on the environmental impact oi home occupations on the neighborhoods. � � , �� FRIRLEY ENVIRONMENTAI. CON3MISSION MCETIrG, JUNE 15, 1976 Page 7 Mr. Paripovich stated that he was assuming that the intent was that we don't want an occupation that in some way alters the nature of the neighborhood or has an affect on any adjoining property. He feels it is an unnecessary restrictive to say that if the occupation is conducted in an accessory building it is automatically illegal. He understands that it is in the code and maybe that is needed, too, but if the occupation isn't noticeable and is of the nature to be conducted in the garage rather than in the house, he cannot see anything wrong with an occupation being conducted in the garage. On the other hand, there are occupations that meet a11 the requirements of the code and yet are detrimental to the neighborhood. NLs. Sporre as'.:ed Mr. Olson if the City Council had final jurisdiction in inter- preting whether an occupation was a problem in the neighborhood. Mr. Olson stated that as a City employee he is charged with enforcing City ordinances. Once in awhile he gees very hung up on arbitrarily saying someone can or cannot do things. It might seem right at the time and they want to do it, but the code doesn't agree. A very good case would be the person who is operating out of his gnrage and, if another person is upset enough about it and has 6ack�round showing whatever is in the garage, Mr. Olson said he couldn't see how the City Council could waive it, He stated that as a City employee he can be attacked by someone in the community and sued for not doing his job so when complaints come to him he must go by the code. Brether Sullivan stated that the spirit of the law is to prevenC a loe of business developing in residential areas which are going to affect the quality of the area. The letter of the 1aw states as it is here. If anyone does register a complaint about so:neone, then by law the City most go to them and try to come to some solution. Mr. Langenfeld made a statement to the Commission and asked for their co�ents: "If and when a home occupation is no longer in harmony with the surrounding neighborhood and impairs the environment, the Environ- mental Commission prefers to have such a problem referred,to it." He stated that perhaps this Commission could Look into citizen complain:s prior to their goirg to another commission. Ms. Sporre stated that there should be some method of tempering the words of this code or a better interpretation of it for a better decision to te made on whether it is a home occupation or not. Maybe the commission zaho should handle this is the Appeals Commission. Brother Sullivan said he preferred, in some cases, to see the garage included as pare of the home occupation. a... -, 4� FRIDLEY �NVIRONMENTAL COMMiSSION MEETING JUNE 15 1976 Page 8 Mr. Langenfeld stated that this was the whole problem: Is it or is it not a home occupation end how is this Commission to define this? How many people having home occupations that are in complete n.on-compliance with city ordinances, staCe insurance laws, and the City have not been found out? He feels that people should have the right to come to this Commission with regard to these kind of home occiipations, discuss it with this Commission, and then this Commission could make its recommendations to the Planning Commission or other commission. Brother Sullivan asked Mr. Langenfeld what the environmental issue was in terms of home occupation--esthetic, visual, etc. Mr. Langenfeld stated that it would be anything in violation of the definition of the code. He felt the only way the Commission cauld handle this would be on the basis of citizen's complaints as he had indicated earlier. But, then this could oyen the door for an influx of complaints, some of which would be legitimate but others would not be. Ms. Sporre stated that she felt the code was a fine legal tool and that the Commission's discussion has been empathizing with the person who has a home occu- pation, Mr. 0lsozi suggested that if a recommendation could be ma3e, perhaps it is in ter.ms of altering or perc�itting a mor.e liberal interprecacion of home eccupations that a're not a problem. It comes back to a special use perciit process wtiere the-� would be required to have one to get their businese and would 6e reGui:ed to ha=ae their neighbors sion a petiCi.on stating rhey do not object to this lci.nd of operati.on. Mr. Langenfeld asked the Commissiou to cousider this staten�ent: "At tfie point where an accessory building or any foxm of alteration made to a dwelling warrants a special use permit due to the fact o£ home occupation, then that particular special use request ehould be sent to the Er.vironmental Commission." He sai3 that then this Commission would pick it up when it becomes major and Che Commission would have something to recmimiend to the Planning Commission or any other commission. If this Cammission reaches the point wlzere this takes place on'the Planning Co:nmission ievel, they will more than likely send iC to the Environmental Coumlission. Mr. Olson again stated thaC what seems to be needed is a process whereby the Commission can liberalize the home occupation without sacrificing or endangering the problem of letting �aaste or raw materials or more problem-type occupations in. The special use permit or even just a license to operate a home occupation where they would maybe pay a fee and be inspected yearly fs the answer. What thic would do would give the.City control. The Commission thoroughly agreed with Mr. Olson's statement. ' !� FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAI COMMISSION hLFETING JUNE 15 1976 Page 9 MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, that the Fridley Environ- mental Commission suggests that as a means of providing control over home occupa- tions that may be illegal under the present ordinance but which probably should be permitCed since they pose no environmental problem or other neighborhood problem, a permit process be established. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, bhe motior. carried unanimously. REPORT FROM THE EAST RIVER ROAD PROJECT COrAiITTEE Mr. Paripovich stated that due to a abnormally high workload with his business, he has not yet started the ball rolling as far as getting regular meeCings going. He wanted to wait until his workload was not so heavy and he could devote more time to iC. He stated that he had done some things on his own. Ae has been in touch with Tom Colbert and has gotten a lot of background from the Fridley engineers--files on the East River Road including traffic studies and what the County is apparently telling the City of Fridley. Mr. Paripovich said he had contacted the County Engineers but they are exceed- ingly tightlipped. They profess to have no plans either long term or short term on the road. They don't have drawing number one for any new development of East River Road. He said they make you think they are not planning'anything--just aski�ng,for money for the Osborne Road intersection. They claim they are just going to start breaking concrete and put new concret2 docm. They won't put any- thing in writing. He said the man he talked to was Mr. Bud P.eadipenaing. He tried several times also to contact Mr. Pau1 Rud, soho is the Lead County Engineer. Mr. Pa:ipovich stated that Mr. Readipenning did tell him that Coon Rapids has raquested F.A.O. (Federal Aid to Urban) funds for Coon Rapids Boulevard but were unable to pass. The process is this: First you request the funds, then you have to meet all the requirements. The Coon Rapids Boulevard project is delayed r:ght now because they cannot pass the noise level. The environmentalist thing has really put a big snag in the project, ThaC is what can really shut the whole project down. Mr. Paripovich stated that, as near as he can te11, projected levels of traffic for East River Road are as great as current levels on Coon Rapids Boulevard. He doesn't know that for sure because he can't get any figures. In essence, he said we are talking about increasing the traffic on East River Road to the peak of that on Coon Rapids Boulevard. Coon Rapids Boulevard is not in canpliance and the County is projecting to do the same thing with East River Road. Ms. Sporre stated that the City of Minneapolis should also be contacted, asking them how much traffic they intend to send out of the Marshall District onto East River Road and if there �'e any major plans to extend the bus, bike, or traffic plans to East River Road. Sf there is any information at the Metro- Council level, they should extract Chat information and they should be aware ot whatever the state has in store. � �� FRIDLEY ENVIRON[�NTAT. COMMISSION MEETTNG, JUNE 15, 1976 ` Page 10 Mr. Paripovich stated that when he contacted the Highway bepartment, they were more cooperative than the county. Mr. Paripovich staCed that he had written up some questions for the county enginee�s: 1. What are the projected levels of traffic for East River Road for 1977, 1980, 1985? 2. Since the City of- Fridley has been instructed to acquire land on both sides of East IZiver Road, Anoka County must have some sort of pZans for widening the road, Sdhat are those plans? 3. Wheu is the planned widening going to take place? 4. Has eAnoka County applied for F.A.U. (Federal Aid to IIrban} funds for widening the. road and for what year have the funds been requested? 5. Since Aao�ca County is planning widening of the road so that it can handle greater volumes of traffic, its engineers must meet the current levels of lead compounds and carbon monoxiding at the time of highest concentration along the road and of noise pollution at the noisiest times ef the day, What are those current leve7.s, �.%nat are the projected levels for 1�77, 1980, 1985? Wl,at are th2 acceptable levels for these accordin� to Federal standards? 6. Whea planni.ng the future of the East ftiver P.oad, do the couaty engineers have any knowledge oi tSe Mississippi River quarter environmentally or the environmental protected area; and, if so, hoco does the future of the road support that concept? 7. In improving the East River Aoad at ehe Georgetown Apartments intersection and the East River Road-Mississippi Street inter- section, we noticed no steps were taken to safeguard the pedestrians and bicyclists, most of whom are juveniles. Is it the policy of the county engineers to find the means to speed up traffic going through Fridley wliile exposing Fridley citizens to greater and greater risks and so forth? 8. Have the officials who consider the granting of F.A.U, (Federal Aid to Urban) funds been informed of the hazards to pedestrians, bicyclists, and residents East River Road creates in its present condition and that the near term improvements planned by Anoka County wi1l only exacerbate that hazard? (Mr. Paripovich understands that if there is a hazard, the funds can be shut off.) �a�q � � 3 ,_.� � .. FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING 3UNE 15, 1976 Page 11 9. Current plans fot the improvement for the East River Road-Qsborne Road intersection indicate that more money will be spent to take East River Road another step toward being an werloaded highway. By speeding the flow to Osborne Road but doing nothing to improve conditions between intersections, you obviously intend to worsen an already bad situation. We feel that funds thus spent are not being used in the best interest of the Fridley residents. 10. The Fridley Environmental Co�ission intends to present a report including a written description of the Anoka County plans for East River Road to Fridley citizens. Will you prepare a letter for us in that presentation? Ms. Sporre felt Mr, Paripovich's questions were too parochial--that he should not talk so much in terms of Fridley, but just ask them if they are adequately planning county roads. Mr. Paripovich stated that the county is more interested in getting traffic from Anoka through Fridley than the child on the bicycle. Ms. Sporre asked whether Mr. Paripovich could ask the county what method they use to determine accident rates--the number of pedestrians, the number of accidents; the number of bicycle users, the number of accidents. Brother Sullivan felt Mr. Paripovich`s questions were good buC needed to be rewozked. Mr, Langenfeld stated that the thing is that most of the questions could be the feelings of the citizens as far as the groject committee is concerned. He also suggested that when the letter is sent to the county, it should probably be,senC by registered mail. �, Paripovich said that he would try to direct these questions away from locale �nd make it somewhat less of a political thing. It was his intent to make it more a fact-gathering thing for now, Mr. Olson suggested that a question about the county's final inceptions as to what East River Road's relation is going to be to Highway �47 or Highway �65 might be good, Does the county visualize East River Road as another Highway �47 or Highway d665? Ms, Sporre asked if Metropolitan Council could be contacted and asked if they have the power to review, modify, and comment on these plans. The man to contact is dohn E. Boland, �'� FRIDLEY GNVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING JUNG 15 1976 Page 12 Mr. Olson stated that maybe an environmental impact study is an oi�tion the Commission migh[ want to consider, If it feels suffic3.ent cause, it can at least force the county into filing a statement- that, no, there is not an impact; on the environment. Ms. Sporre suggested that maybe Mr. Robert Burkhardt could be contacted for his comments on whether the environmental impact study is an option, Before adjournment, Mr. Langenfeld stated that he would like to note that on many occasioRS the Commission has been referred to as the Envixonmental Quality �ommission and that is getting mixed up with the state eatvironmental commission. He would like to see this Ccmmission referred to in the minutes and by othez• couunissions as the Fridley Environmental Commission. AD.70URNMENT: MOTION by Mike Paripovich, seconded by Brother Thomas Sullivan, that the meeting be adjourned at 10:40 p.m. Respectful.ly submitted, l� / .�/..�'1sra2P. ��;'��... Lyn� Saba �` Recurding SecreCarq .�,�r....; .� `.� PARKS AND RECREATION COMPIISSTON MEETING JUNE 28, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Bob Peterson, Dave Harris, Rarvey Wagar MEMBERS ABSENT: Leonard Moore, Jan S'eeger UTHERS PRESTcNT: Dan Huff- Acting Director, Parks & Recreation Department Jerry Boardman - City Planner Dick Lombard - H.A.F., F.Y.S.A. Lynn Fischer - H.A.F. Ed Wilmes - Islands of Peace Jim Langenfeld - Chairperson of Fridley Environmental Commission Frank Owata - 548 - 63rd Ave. N.E, 571-3362 Jim Ekman - 524 - 54th Ave. N.E, 560-4178 Marty Gavic - 141 Hartman Circle 571-1219 Bob Kelly - 6230 - 7th St. N.E. 571-1534 Joe Schleisman - 5770 Hackmann Ave. N.E. 571-8109 Harry Messick - 6257 Ben More Dr. N.E. 571-3196 Bruce Holmes - 6813 Hickory Ar. N.E. 571-b062 Tom Nehring - 291 - 67th 1ve. N.E. 786-2835 Leonard Kos - 5468 Altura Rd. N.E. 560-6081 � Chairperson Bob Peterson called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Chairperson Bob Peterson stated that the following two items should be added to the agenda: � 1. APPOINTMENT OF RECREATION PR0.7ECT COMMITTEE 2. ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON FOR NEXT YEAR APPROVAI. OF MINUTES OF MAY 24, 1976, PARKS � REC1tEATION COPII�IISSION MEETING AND MINUTES OF JUN6 14 1976 SPECTAL PARKS 6� RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes as written of the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voCing aye, the motion carried unanimously. ?fOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to approve the minutes as written of the June 14, 1976, Special Parks & Recreation Co�ission meeting with the suggestion for change on Item 3 of "Scope" as written on Page 5. Upon a voice vote, all voCing aye, the motion carried unanimously. � Mr. Peterson suggested that Mr. Harris' suggestion for change on Item 3 of "Scope" could be brought up later in the meeting under "OLD BUSINESS". 4� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 2 GUESTS 1. Frank Owata - 548 - 63rd Ave. N.E. - Disturbance from Commons Park Mr, Owata stated that he lives on the north end of the park and has for quite a few years. He said he has seen the problems of the park get worse and worse and this year it is the worst. There fs no consideration for the people who live in the park area. He complaitted of people playing horseshoe right behind his house; he has tennis, baseball, all right there. He said he has called Mayor Nee and Dan Huff about these problems. He said the language of the people in the park is bad, drinking is going on, and traffic fn the parking Lot is naisy. He said many people are now parking in front of his house and he has had to post "no parking" signs. He felt the parking lot shouLd have been in tl�e center of the park. He complained of the Satellite "outhouses" and the trash blowing around. He feels the layout o£ the park is very poor. He said he will call Mayor Nee every night, knock on doors, get petitions, anything he can, to get some improvements made. lie said there is just no Iet-up in the activities; they go year round, Mr. Peterson suggested that Dan Huff check with the Public Safety Director to see what his reco�endation wouLd be for posting "Resident Parking Only" signs on 63rd Avenue. Mr. Huff stated the dxinking was at a very low level--the park is patrolled at least thxee times a night with the Park Ranger. Whenever there is a complaint, the police go right in and stop it. Mr. Ekman said that he undetstood that the horseshoers were to be moved this year on top of Che hiil, but there wasn't enough time. They should be moved by next year. Mr. Huff stated that they considered the green Satellite buildings to be fairly reasonable buildings. More permanent facilities could he put in except for the cost. Mr, Huff also stated that there is no privacy fence between the park and the homeowners but that most of the homeowners have put up their own •privacy fences. Mr. Peterson again stated that Mr. Huff would check about the posting of "Resident Parking Only" signs on Mr. Owata's stteet (63rd Avenue}, He said he is suxe that it is not going to be possible with the demands on the Parks & Recreation Department to cancel the activities in Commons Park, so the Commission will have to try to find some suitabLe arrangement to be a gaod neighbor to the neighbors surrounding the park property, Commons happens to be the big city park where these kinds of activities take place, Mr. Peterson asked if Staff had any recommendations at this time or if they would like to come back at the ttext meeting with some. � r �_ �� i.�,�: .• P.{RKS & RECREATION COAAfISSION MFETING, dUNE 28, 1976 Page 3 Mr. Huff stated that they would check to see if there is any excessive beer drinking going on. He would check on the trash. He didn't have any other complaints and felt the place was kept very clean. They would look into all these items right away and see if there is anything that can be done. Mr. Owata again stated that he felt the lay-out of the park is very poor-- that the parking Lot should have been in the center of the park. Mr. Peterson stated that there were some very valid reasons for the park lay-out. The park was laid out so that the activities move out toward the center of the field rather than having some youngster or adult running across the street. The park was laid out in such a way as to utilize the acreage that was availabie. There might 6e a conflict between those living around the park and those using iC. He said Mr. Owata's statement that no consideration was given to those living around the park is not true as the park was laid ouC with a definite plan in mind to get Che maximum use of the acreage available. Mr. Owata asked if there had been any thought given to a privacy fence being put up along the north side. Mr. Peterson stated that this is certainly something thaC can be considered by Staff, but that aC the next meeting they hope to have some reports and more Co work with to come up with some kind of solution. Mr. Harris agreed that the privacy fence for a sound barxier should be considered. Mr. Petetson thanked Mr. Owata for coming and told him a report would be sent to him, Mr. Peterson invited Mr. Owata to come back to the July 26, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting when this matCer would again be put on the agenda. Mr. Peterson told Mr. Owata that the Conmission memhers would make a point of going to the park (particularly on Monday and Thursday evenings when Mr, Owata said it is the worst). Mr, Peterson asked that a note be attached to Mr. Moore's and Ms. Seeger's copies of these minutes that they be encouraged to visit the park also on a �Monday or Thursday evening. 2. Dick Lombard - 6321 Monroe Street N.E. - H.A.F. Storage Building Mr. Lombard was in attendance again about the proposed storage building for the s[orage of Hockey Association equipment. Mr. Lombard said he had checked with Hr. Dan Huff as far as other sites for this storage building and all they could find was behind Columbia Arena; but because of the excavation that would have to be done, it was not feasible. So, they came back to Co�nons Park. He said Mr, Huff had suggested that in Crn�anons they could add on to either one of two existing we11 houses at the end of the park. There is a service road leading to them so there would be an open road year around and this would eliminate b�ilding one wall of the storage building. He said Mr. Huff had even suggested the possibility of making the building larger and including space for the parks 49 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 4 to keep their lawn cutting equ�pment. He said he talked to members of his � conanittee aboUt [his and Ron Pearson, who will be heading the construction project,and all of them feel this falls in fairly well except for one problem; , bricking. He said they can get a Iot of volunteer help from the different organizations as far as using shovels, mixing mud, hauliag blocks, etc., but when it gets down to putting on finished brick, there are about three people who are qualified to do that type of work. Also, there is the problem of time. With block building, these men will be contributing about two weekends (or 4 days) of their time and to add brickwork, it adds on about another four week- ends. There is scaffolding involved and it is their own scaf£olding they use on the job. It can't be left. He said Dan Huff had mentioned that if the building was made Larger and storage space was made for the City that possibly the City would help. Mr. Lombard sa�d they went into the fact, if they were td brick, of possibly paying people, but this would increase everything up close to $2,000 more. He said what they are Zooking for from the Commission are some suggestions as to where they go from here. Mr. Wagar stated that if the Hockey Association is going to build a building with donation and give it to the City, he thinks the City should be able to brick the building, pay for the brick,and pay for the labor. Mr, Huff stated that it would certainly be jus�ified if the ctcy could park their lawro c�;itting tractors in the building and save the haaling back and forth of the equipment. They could use it as part of the rationale for putting the � bnilding in, He said he had put in $Z,000 in the preliminary budgetfor the siding of this building. He said $2,000 might be more realistic and the Commission may want to change that, Mr. Harris agreed with Mr, Wagar and he said delays are not going to improve the situation, He felt they should minimize the cost by not getting all our engineering and labor involved in the building as that seems to add 25% to the cost. He felt there were many people qualified to help do some of the work. Mr. Lombard asked Mr. Huff how much space the lawn cutting tractors would require. Mr. Huff stated about 16-18 feet in length by 5 feet in width would be adequate. Mr. Lombard stated that then they would want a building 24 x 30 going another 6 feet to take care of the City�s requirements. He said their thoughts were to wall the building down the middle with two separate doors. Mr. Peterson pointed out that with the storage of the tractors and gasoline, that from a fire standpoint, a fire wall would be needed. � �.,� �>l 50 PARKS & RECREATION COI�4ffSSI0N MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page S � Mr. Huff stated that we don't have to stay wiCh the idea of storing equipment-- it was just one idea for rationale. He said we have a lot of recreational pro�rams where we store all the equipment and we provide all the equipment. So, we have to have storage for that equipment. Aere is an associ.ation that we are involved in but don't get involved with the storage of equipmenC. He said we are not look£ng to take over more and more of what the associations are doing. And, yet a small expenditure of $1,000 or $1,800 Co make a facility that would be compatible with what we have and provide storage, to him it is not hard to justify on an iCem basis. The only time it cames up is when someone else comes in and wants sanething for $1,000 and has been waiting for a year. Then, he said,they have to decide where the priority is. Mr. Peterson stated he has been in Fridley since 1969 and every year the argument ha� cane up about storage space for the sports associations so they have been waiting for at least seven years. Mr. Harris asked what the cost would be to go the additional six feet on the storage building. Mr. Wager estimated approximately $700 with the brick3ng and volunteer help and about $400 without the bricking. The suggestion was made to use the additional six feet for a permanent bathroom facil.itp. • Mr. Harris said he would like to get this thing resolved, He said there is a justification if we can utilize some of the space because we are getting space by cost on the basis of free labor. He said he would like to see a motion made approving a plan that would allow the t�ssociation to build a building 24 x 30 and prepare the building for bricking at a later date (the bricking would be the City's responsibility), Mr. Wagar stated he was in favor of a motion such as Mr. Harris had pzoposed but the suggestion of putting in a bathroom was of real interest to him. It would he on the end of the park where it would be needed and maybe the City could take a look at it. Mr. Lombard suggested that if a bathroom facility was to be included, the first well house rather than the second one should be used. The bathroom facility would save a lot of pzoblems on the north end of the park, not only in the su�er with the softball, buC in the fall when Satellites have to be brought in for football. Hr. Petetson stated that if Mr. Owata did call Mayor Nee every night as he had said and maybe sane of the other councilmen, they might be very sympathetic to investing sane money to get some permanent baChroom £acility in that area. In the long run, for the utilization of Commons Park, he feels that the 6 x 24 to be utilized for a permanent bathroom facili[y would be a higher priority item than the City's storage of lawn cutting equipment. � wi 51 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 6 � MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the Parks & Recreation Commission concure with the Hockey AssociaCion and the Fridley Youth Sports Asaociation to build a building in Commons Park, 24 x 30, 24 x 24 to be utilized by the Assocfations for storage of their equipment and 6 x 24 to be used by the City Eor permanent hathroom facilities. The building is to be deeded to the City and leased back to these associatioas tor $1.00 a year with a 20 year lease and 20 year option to be renewed at the same price. The City will brick the building and preparation for bricking of the building will be done at the same time the blocks are laid. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Tom Nehring sat in on the meeting to site the problem of the sprinkler at Commons Park pu7.ling up the linoleum in the concession trailer, The wood is rotting and it has become quite a problem. Mr. Huff stated that last year the problem was solved by hanging a tarp on the fence to bl4ck the spray. That will be tried again. It that doesn't work, the head on the sprinkler a�uld be changed. Seven people Mr. Wagar had contacted by telephone to serve on the Neighborhood • Project Committees were in attendance. Mr. Wagar had invited them to the Yarks & Reczeation Commission meeting so they could learn a Iittle of what was involved in the Neighborhood Project Cov�ittees. Mr. Peterson explained to the gentlemen that after the 13 chairpeople and their committees are formed, with 5-9 members in each committee, the plans are to have a meeting wfth Mr. Dan Huff, Acting DirecCor of the Parks & Recreation Department, and M�. Jerry Boardman, City Planner, and any commissioners who want to attend to give assignments to be looked at by the Neighborhood Project Committees. The committees can do some things on their own, but there will be three or four �specific things they will be asked to look at, He said they would be contacted, hopefully, by the second week in July to try to estabZish a meeting date and time that would be convenient to a11 the members. Mr. Harris s[ated that the anticipated plan for these 13 project co�ittees is to get down to the grass roots to find out what the people living in these areas and using the facitities in these areas think their parks ought to have, what programs they can have within the framework of their parks, and whatever other comments they might have. The Commission hopes to get some input. iJhen Che Commission gets this feedback, it will help the Commission to be bet[er budge[ planners as it goes along. Mr, Gavic expressed his concern about whether these project committees were just going to go through the motions or if something would actualty be done as a result of Chem, � Mr. Wagar suggested looking at the three items listed under "Scope". He said Mr. Boardman had said if things were put down in a comprehensive p2an, then the financing would come. . �.,. i PARKS 6� RECREATION COI�AIISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 7 Mr. Langenfeld brought up the fact that he found wiCh the Fridley Environmental Commission's project committees that they got a more favorable response when they said they represenCed a specific com�ission rather than saying they were just a project co�ittee. People are turned off by that. He brought that up only as a point of interest. 52 Mr. Peterson sta[ed that a session will be held for the chairpeople with definite assignmenCS and questions, etc „ so when all these come back written up for the Parks & Recreation Commission, they will be somewhat in the same format in terms of compiling i± inCo the city project. At the same time, there will he a Recreation Project CommiCtee for the city. This committee will be evaluating just the recreational program (everything from hockey to horseshoe to ballet dancing) and will operate at the same time. Their report wi11 come in one month after the reports from the Neighborhood Project Committees so they can look at the Neighborhood Project Committees' recommendations in terms of writing up their report and turning that into the Parks & Recreation Commission. Ultimately, all these go to the City Council. All of the things the project com�ittees will be doing will go through Parks & itecreation �ommission to Planning Commission to City Council, and it will be part of the public hearing and action the City Council takes in terms of parks and recreation for our city. He stated that timewise we hope to have it to the City Council in its final form with the public hearings, etc., required by law by February. The Neighbor- hood�E�oject Co�ittees' reports are to be in by October, the Recreation Project . Committee`s reporC by November, then to Planning Commission and public hearings and City Council by February. Mr. Harris pointed out that the chairpeople are requested to come to the meeting buC that any comm3ttee members are encouraged to come also. Mr. Wagar thanked all the gentlemen £or coming. ISLANDS OF PEACE REPORT Mr. Ed Wilmes stated that a month ago, they were asked to meet with Onan Cor- poration to present some plans outlining the Islands of Peace program and they did meet with them. Last Friday, he said a group of 20 people from the Sister Kenny Institute visited the island and used the facilities on the island. So, Loday, the Islands of Peace received a letter from Onan Corporation. Mr. Wilmes then read the letter to the Coumiission. Mr. Wilmes said that what they are trying to do is,whenever they have groups making visitations to the island, to invite such organizations and industries such as Onan Corporation. Tomorrow, he said, they will have a group from the State Hospital in Cambridge and Medtronic will be there about the same time. He feels this is on-the-spot evidence, This is the kind of involvement they feel can get them i�nediate federal funding. He said they wen[ hefore the City Council a co�ple of weeks ago. They had to do this iumediately hecause of the time elemen[ in this advocation set out by the different £ederal agents for � funding, The City did receive application for LAWCON. LAWCON is funds that 53 PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 8 are available mostly for local projects so they had to make a decision because they cannot apply and receive both, that is, they cannot apply 1oca1 projects against regional. He said for the last year, they have been making presenta- tions and saying they definitely have a regional significance. He feels that today they presented enough evidence to the Metro-Council that suppotts this. Ae said they went before the City Council and asked for a letter from the City Council and they instructed Mr. Dan Huff to write this letter which he did. The:�, they met with the Parks & Recreation Director of the County of Anoka, Mr. Dave Jorgeson, Mr. lorgeson very enthusiasticatly said, yes, they wovld deEinitely make some input to the different meetings now that the Islands of Peace definitely has regional significance. Of all the letters presented to the Metro-CounciZ today, he said the letter from the Sister Kenny Institute spelled out the best the fact that Istands of Peace is definitely r�+gional. Mr. Wilmes stated that he had talked to Mr. Don Davidson, who has been very interested in the Isiands of Peace,because the parks in the state now are going to be going to the Legislature and asking for more funds to be appropriated throughout the state to maice more parks accessible to the handicapped and elderly. Mr. Wilmes said that Mr, Davidson said that the Is2ands of Peace is definitely the pilot project because the Islands of Peace shows how these people can utilize the facilities that are available. Mr. Wilmes stated that there is a meeting coming up on luly 13, 1976, that is going to be held before the Metro-Council Parks and Open Space Commission. The Metro-Council and Metropolitan Parks and Open Spaae Commission are in the process of decLaring a regional plan for speciaZ use and recreation areas an an amendment to the region and recreatiott for space ptan. Special uses are areas or facilities which provide specialized or single purpose recreational activities. The region plan will include those special uses which provide a regional service. He said he talked to Mr. Boardman and Mr, $oardman definitely will get them a place on the agenda. MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Aarvey Wagar, to accept the Onan Corporation letter'and Mr. Wilmes' report. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion �carried unanimously. Mr, Peterson thanked Mr. Wilmes for his presentation. APPOINTMENT OF RECREATION PRQTECT CQI+fNIITTEE Mr. Peterson read the motion from the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting minutes, page 10: C� • � s� PARKS � RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, .TUNE 28, 197b Page 9 � "MOTION by Harris, seconded by Moore, that a Recreation Study Project Committee be formed and by the next meeCing each o£ the members of this Covmnission suggest the name of someone they would like to have serve on this coumiCtee; and that when Che five members have been aelected to serve they have the prerogative to ask two at-large members to be on the ca�ittee and all seven will have a voice in it. Upan a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously." Mr. Peterson's nomination for the Recreation Project Commi[tee is Mr. Ted Rue, Mr. Peterson said he would Like the Commission to consider Mr. Rue as chair- person as he is a very capable individual and said he would be willing to put in the time required to he chairperson. Mr. Aatris` nomination for the RecreaCion Project Committee is Mr. 011ie Erickson. Mr. Harris said he feels Mr. Erickson is well qualified. Mr. Erickson was member and chairperson of the Planning Commission for 7-8 years. Mr. Harris feels he is a good candidate because he has no children in any program as his children are all grown, so he has no preconceived no[ions regarding the program and is not involved in any other program. Mr. Erickson was interested in serving on the co�ittee in any capacity. Mr. Wagar's nominatioa for the Recreation Project Conmiittee is Mr. Bob Kelly. � As stated in Mr. Moore's letter to the Parks & Recreation Department dated June 22, 1976, his nosination for the Recreation Project Coumiittee is Ms. Margot Eastman. MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, that these four people be nominees for chairperson, including Ms. Seeger's nomination which should be forthcoming. Upon a voice vote, a11 vo�ing aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that Mr. 011ie Erickson will he the chaixperson of the Recreation Project Covmiittee and Mr. Ted Rue wi11 be the vice-chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried �unanimously. Mr. Harris stated that a letter should go out to these people as soon as Ms. Seegers name is received and a list of their names, addresses, and phone numbers be included so they can get Cogether and call a meeting. They may want to come to the next regular Parks & Recreation Cou�ission meeting to be briefed, or sooner if possible. Mr. Peterson asked Mr. Dan Auff to be sure that a letter went out to these people and to have included in that leCter the motion that was made and seconded on page 10 of the May 24, 1976, Parks & Recreation Commission meeting that instruc[s them that after they geC called together the £ive of them have the responsibility of picking two at-large members £or their committee. • 55 PqRKS & RECREATION CONII4ISSION MEETING JUNE 28 1976 Page LO Mr. 011ie Erickson, 6056 Woody Lane N,E Mr. Ted Rue, 170 - 63rd Way N.E. Mr. Bob Kelly, 6230 - 7th St. N.E, Ms. Margot Eastman, 641 Glencoe St. 571-2700 560-2715 571-1534 784-5897 Below are listed the chairpeople of the 13 neighborhood project areas and the people willing to serve on those committees; Recreation NeiRhborhood 1 Chairperson - Karen Budnick 601 Ironton St. 786-3015 Connie Kuusisto 583 Janesville St. 786-5844 , Bettie Bonine 601 Glencoe St. 786-8381 Recreation Neighborhood 2 Chairperson - Bruce Holmes 6$13 Hickory Dr. N,E. 571-6062 Marty Gavic 141 Hartman Circ.le 571-1219 Becreation Neighborhood 3 Chairperson - Sharon Bakke 59 Rice Creek Way 560-5029 Recreation Neighborhood 4 Chairperson - Byron Butters 260 - 67th Ave. N.E. 571-5299 Bus,: 824-0734 Recreation Neighborhood 5_ Chairperson - David McNeil 266 Mercury Dr. N.E. 574-9779 Marilyn I1Zetschako 580 Ironton St. 786-3638 John Hendrick 67D Ironton St. 784-4990 Gerald R. Lambrecht 531 Kimball St. 784-515I Gary Hansen 6807 Hickory Dr. N.E. 571-0326 Howard Grivna 261 Rice Creek Terrace 571-3199 Ciayden Polzin 6220 Juniper Rd. N.E, 571-7158 C� • � ,� PARKS & RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 11 � • • Recreation Neighborhood 6 Chairperson - Leonard Kos 5468 Altura Rd. N.E. 560-6081 Recreation Neighborhood 7 Chairperson - Tom Nielsen 7583 Lyric Lane 784-2783 Bus.: 54b-1391 Jane Noble 7381 Jackson St. N.E. 784-4771 Recreation NeiAhborhood 8 • ,� Chairperson - Clay Storley 414 Rice Creek Terrace 571-5429 Donald Pu11en 6899 Madison St, N.E, 571-6559 Recreation Neighborhood 9 Chairperson - Alice Benson 640 - 58 th Ave. N.E. 571-7337 Recreation Neighbozhood 10 Chairperson - Jim Ekman 524 - 54th Ave. N,E, 560-4178 Recreation Nei�hborhood 11 None Recreation Neighborhood 12 Chairperson - Joe Matusovic 6361 Squire Dr. N.E. 571-9022 David Thiele 7300 Tempo Terrace N.E. 784-3663 Bob or pollie Acton 6850 Jefferson St. N.E, 571-9378 Ed Simko 1327 - 66th Ave. N.E, 571-01�6 Jim Baker 56G- 53'� Ave. N.E, 560-4858 ss ��� 5� PARKS & RECREATION COhALCSSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Page 12 Recreation Neighborhood 13 Chairperson - Kathy Divine 6170 Benjamin St. N.E. 571-4809 Joe Schleisman 5770 Hackmann Ave. N.E 571-8109 Harry Messick 6257 Ben More Dr. 571-3196 Daryl Rollag 1391 Meadowmoor Dr. 784-4192 Jim Richardson b371 Squire Dr 57t-9647 D. C, Harris 6141 Benjamin 571-5248 N.E. St. N,E, Dan Sullivan 1161 Regis Lane N,E. 571-2294 Bruce Anderson 1430 Kerry Circle 574-1006 MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, to adopt the 12 area chair- people as listed with the addition of a chairperson for area 11 by Ms. Seeger. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. • MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, that the Recr=ation Project � Committee and the Neighborhood Project Committees will both meet on Monday nights. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson stated that it was his understanding that Mr. Huff and Mr. Boardman would get together and work out a format for the training of the 13 chairpeople and whoever else wants to attend. The Commission suggested July 13 as a possible night to meet and as many Couanission members as can to attend, ' Mr, liarris suggested that maybe the Recreation Project Co�nittee and the Neigh- borhood Project Committees could meet on the same night--one at 7:30 and one ' at 8; 30. Mr. Peterson agreed and suggested the Recreation Project Coum�ittee meet at 7:30 since it is smaller and the Neighborhood Project Committees meet at 8:30. ELECTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON FOR NEXT YEAR MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Aarris, to nominate Bob Peterson for another year as chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Bob Peterson, to nominate Dave Harris for vice-chairperson. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � � PARKS & RECREATION COt�AtIS5I0N MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 � Page 13 � DIRECTOR'S REPORT 1. Summer Program Status Mr. Huff stated that things are going really well. There have only been two games of softball in the whole season that haven't had an umpire show up. The new approach to the youth softball program, as it was written up in the Minneapolis SCar, June 8, 1976, is doing very well. Mr. Peterson stated that he was very upset with the article. He said we insist thaC Sahe Ruth, the Hockey Association, and the Fridley Sports Association come in with by-laws, the way they are going to operate, rule changes, and everything else so that the Covm�ission knows it. Then NLs. Boone decides she is going to make some innovations for the year in the program without coming to the Parks & Recreation Couanission. Ae doesn't think that shows consistency. He felt the article was written in a slanted way. He has watched the city program and he doesn't think these kids are Learning baseball and it infers that the other associaCions, where they have people working with them on a volunteer basis, are not running in those programs. He feels if we are going to be changing programs within the city-run program, it should be brought before the Parks � Recreation Commission before any changes are made. Mr. Huff explained that things happened so fast in getting the program off the � ground and he apologized for not getting it to the Parks � Recreation Coumiission sooner. He felt very strongly about supporting Ms. Boone's ideas. She has been playground director for 12 years and has been associated with baseball (T-ba11 program) and has all the experience and input from the parents regarding how the children start off playing ball. He questions the statement that they are not learuing haseball--he feels they are learning skills and that is more important than winning or losing baseball. Mr. Peterson stated he had no quarrel with the winning or losing but he did' take exception to the way the article was slanted. The part that said they are leaming the skills in the city program and not learning them in other programs is not true. Mr. Harris stated that even Yhough the Parks � Recreation Co�ission was bypassed when it should have come Co the Commission for approval, at least the title of the article, "ilappy Fridley's Model Program" was kind of nice because it showed something positive instead of something negative. Mr. Peterson stated the thing he most objected to was the couanent in the article by Ms. Boone that she saw something that needed changing and went ahead and changed it on her own. Mr. Huff said she was misquoted in the article, because she came to him with ail her proposals and even the letter to the parents, He approved and reconmended chan�es so it did go through Staff. � 59 PARKS � RECREATION COMMISSION MEETING, JUNE 28, 1976 Pa�e 14 � Mr. Peterson said his objection was that Staff tends to ta[ce prerogatives for Chemselves that we don't allow the citizenry and he feels it should be the opposite, If anyone should take liberties, it should be the citizenry and not Staff. Mr. Huff stated he felt Staff had to have some prerogatives especially when circumstances arose when something had to be done. He said he is always willing to take theflack. Mr. Peterson asked Mt. Huff to obtain for him the number of boys by age bracket on those teams over T-hall age and our City`s costs for running the pr.ogr�m, the number of coaches, this type of thing. It was the feeling 9mong the cottunissioners several years ago that this program should be dropped because it was competing with other groups and also had poor attendance. Mr. Harris said he liked the concept. He said we should go on record as either accepting it or making some changes. He would approve the outline by Ms. Boone of the program for T-ball. It was suggested that maybe Ms, Boone could attend a Parks & Recreatvon Commission meeting at the end.of the season and discuss this with the Commission members. Mr. Peterson stated that as a co�issioner, he wanted to go on record that when � Staff changes a program that the Parks & Recreation Commission should know that program is being changed just as much as the Covunission insists that the volunteer organizations who use our facilities come in attd get their progxams approved before they make any changes. If the Commission has time to listen to the volunteers, they certainly have time to listen to Staff. 2. Preliminary Proposal: 1977 Parks & Recreation Department Budget Mr. Huff told the Commission members about the variety of budget materials he had sent them that the City Manager wanted them to have. He stated this is just a preliminary budget and is for the Commission's review. This budget went to the City Council tonight, The Commission may find things in this budget that should be taken out and may find things that should be included. Mr. Harris stated that he thought that last year the Commission had decided to take the bikewa�s out of its budget. As the Commission reviewed it last year, the priority was there, but the dollars were too high dollars in relationship to the priority level, MOTION by Dave Harris, seconded by Harvey Wagar, that the bikeway development not be part of the Parks & Recreation Commission 6udget. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � PARKS & RECREATION COhAffSSION MEETING JiTNE 28, 1976 Page 15 Mr. Huff talked about the Parks & Recreation Department's request to remodel the old Library facility and the cost for the Parks & Recreation Department's portion of the proposed plan is $3,500. The other office would then be vacant, but is wanted by the Police Department. Mr. Harris stated that if the Police Department does take the old office space, they should reimburse the Parks & Recreation Commission for getting finished office space to offset the cost of the improvement of the old library. Mr. Peterson stated that on Wednesday the Planning Coomiission had the Youth Project Committee in front of them again for about the seventeenth time. On a 5 to 1 vote, they voted to send it to the City Council tonight rec wanending that the City Council establish a youth committee and give them space in City Hall under Parks & Recreation. He said he voted against it and voted on what he thought the conscience of the Commission wouid be. If the City Council passes it tonight, the Parks & Recreation Coumission might end up with a Youth Project Committee under its director and charged to its budget because that is the way the motion read. So, that available space may go to the youth for their drop-in center and Mr. Huff would be expected to supervise it. He said he wanted the Commission to be aware of this. Mr. Peterson suggested that the Cammission have a special meeting on Tuesday, July 6, 1976, to discuss only the Parks & Recreation Commission budget. ADJOURNMENT: MOTION by Harvey Wagar, seconded by Dave Harris, to adjourn the meeting at 11:05 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully submitted, �� Lyn Saba Recording Secretary � .6 � . FRIDLEY APPEALS CUMMISSION MEETING auNE 29, 1976 MEt7BEIiS PRESE��1T: Virginia Schnabel� Alex Barna, Pat Gabel (left 8;lt0), Dick Kemper� Jim Plemel Mh..�f3ERS Ak3SEsuT: None OT'dERS PRESE,uT: Ron Holden, Building Inspection Officer 2he meeting was called to order by Chairperson Schnabel at 7:35 P.M. APPROVk� OF JUNE 15, 1476 APP�9IS CC;�4IISSION riINU'PFS: Mrs. Gabel said she would like a correction made on page 1� of the minutes, third paragraph from the bottom. She stated she would like the following sentence added before that paragraph: '9�5rs. Gabel said she did not like this procedure, and that while t�e va:iance was in order ihe procedure was not, and if it would happen again she would very strangly object". 5he said this should be followed by the sentence starting 'T:r. Kemper said..." and "and Mrs. Gabel agreed" should . be stricken. She stated that when sne said sYte agreed she meant her statement should also go on the record, MOTION by Kemper� seconded by Plemel, that the Appeals Commission approve the minutes of the June 15� 1976 meeting as corrected, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. REO.ULST FOR A VAc�IAtuCE OF SECTIOIV 205.052, 2�FRIALEY CITY COAE, TO REAUCE THE AVF.�ZAGE FRUtuT YARD Sr�TBACK FROM 37 FEET TO 32 FEET, TO ALLO'r! THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 1!� FOOT ADDITION ON THE FRUNT OF AN EXISTItiG BUII.111T3G IRCATED ON T:E SOUTH 20 FEET Or LO�r 5, A�vD ALL OF IAT 6, BLOCY. 3, HAMILTON' S ADDITION TO A�CHANICSVILLE, THE SAt�:E BEING �618 5TH STREET 1d.E.� FRIDLEY� MINIVESOTA. (Request by J�r. Edward Dupay� $618 Sth Street N.E., Fridley, Minnesota 55�21). MOTION by Barna, seconded by Gabel� to ope» the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADMINISTRATIVE S'tAFF REYORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SERVED BY REQUIRII�IENT: Section 205.153� 2, front yard setback of no more than six (6) feet from average front yard setback (when greater than 35 feet). � Purpose served is to allow £or oFf-street parking withont encroaching on the public right-of-way, reduce the "bui]ding line of sight" encroachment into neighboring yards and preserve the aesthetic considerations oY the neighborhood, FRIDLEY APPEALS COP�ISSION 14EETIN� OF JUNE 29, 1976 PAGE 2 �� _ ti, S'1'A'1'ED HARDSHIP: Family requires more living space and an additional bedroom, C. ADMINISTRATIVE S'PAFF REVIEW: Available verifying surveys of neighboring lots show the average setback to be !�3 feet. Therefore a setback oF 37 Yeet is allowable. Sblt1 5tn Sireet is setback ltb,7 leet £rom the front lot line. The 1!t foot proposed addition would then come within 33 feet of the Yront property line. This would put the addition 3 feet in front of the house to the North. Sta2'z' Y'eels that the neighbor's feelings about the reduced line-oi'-sight should be considered fi.rst. Stai'f' has no objection to this variance request being granted. Mr. Edward Dupa,y approachea the Board to explain his request. He stated when he had originally appeared before the Commission on TSay 25 they had wanted to add on to the back oS their house� nut decided at the last minute to go oYY the i'ront of' the nouse. rie said tney were now proposing to come out 1!�' oi'i' tne front of the house, and showed on the photographs and survey where the driveway came, where they intended to put the garage and crhere the bedroom and i'<�mily room would be. He explained he Felt they would be better ofF building on the froni af their house, as the ori.ginal plans for building off the back called for them to lose two windows, He further explai.ned he had talked to his neighl�ors on this and they all agreed with the proposal� and he had signatures saying they had no objections. MOTION t� Gabel� seconded by Barna, to receive the letter signed by eight neighbors stating they had no objections to Mr. IIupay's plans. Upon a voice vote, alI � voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson 5chnabel asked if the people who lived right next door had signed the petition, and Mr. Dupay said they had, Mrs. Schnabel said they would be �he people most affected by this because of the position oi the garage. Chairperson Schnabel asked if they would be making a two-story addition on the front, and Mr, Dupay replied that was correct, and above the garage would be living space. He added he didn't know yei if the garage would be a double or not, Mrs. Schnabel asked iF the part underneath would be totally excavated, and Mr. Dupay answered it would, Mr. Barna asked what would be done with the space that was presently a garage, and Mr. Dupay said they would put in a fire wall and probably use it for a recreation room. Mrs. Gabel asked how large Mr. ➢upay�s family was, and he replied he had two boys. He eatplained that one oY the boys was presently sleeping downstairs, and he would like to move him upstazrs. Chairperson Schnabel asked i£ they would still have a driveway of approximately 32� with the lt�� addition, and Mr. Dupay sai@ they would, and added that he could almost get two cars in there. Mr. Barna asked if Mr. Uupay's house and the house directly to the South were the only ones that were set back that distanoe, and if all the others Nere Sorward. Mr. I?upay said that was correct. Mr. Barna asked if they would side the addition the same as the rest of the house, � and Mr. Dupay answered that they wou2c3 be changing the siding on the whole house to vertical red wood. Mr. Barna asked if the work would be done b,y a contractor? and Mr. Dupay said he would do about 90% of Lhe work himself, buL hire an electrician � � r'RIDiEY APPEAIS CUMMIS5ION MEETING OP' JUNE 29, 1976 PAUE 3 _ __ 63 and someone to do the heating, He added he Imew a biack layer who would help him� and said he would be doing the finishing himseli'. Mr. Holden asked i£ he had talked to tne neighbors on both sides, and Mr. Dupay replied he had, h1r, Holden stated he didn't think the addition xould be un- sightl,y� but it would stagger the houses a 6it, Mr. Plemel said he tnougF:t a little variety would be more apnealling than having the houses all in a row. M01'ION by P1eme1� ,econded by Barna, tc close the oublic hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, Mr, Plemel stated that this seemed to be a reasonable request, and since inere was no objection Yrom the neighbors� he would apnrove, tdr. �arna said that he, too� would be in iavor. He siated it would look nice and fit in witn tne street. He added that the tnree feet �aould not bother the line-of-signt tnat rmsch� and all the reauirements are met and there would still be ample o°f-street parzing, Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that the arnount of trees in the neignbor�s yard �ould act as a screen also, MOTION by Barna� seconded by Plemel, tnat the Aaneals Comr�ission aoprove iae request.for variance. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. HEQUEST FOR A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.052, 2, 'r'HIDLEY CIT.Y CC�r., i0 R:.iuCE 'iH:: AVEI?A(iE FRONT YARD S£sT1�ACK r'HO', 40.7 Fr.cT TQ 36 FEET i0 ALLOid Ti3E �ON- STRUGTION OF A fdEJ ATTaCHED DOUBLE ('rAR4GE TO BE ADDED TO '::iE rft01i OF ?.N EXISTING BUILDIA'G, THE SAt•�' BEIPJ(i 1ti60 Tt�OLI,HAGE!V DRItiS N.c., FRIDLEY, MINNESOTA. (nequest by Rollo R. Black� 1t�b0 Trollhagen Drive �,E., r'r'_dley, Minnesota 55421). MOTION b,y Barna, seconded by Gabel, to open the oublic hearing vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ADPiZNISTRATIl7E STAFF kEPORT Uoon a voice A. PUBLiC PURPOSE SF.�?VED BY THE RE�UIR:i:'FNT: Section 205.153, 2, Front ��ard setback oi' no more than six (6) feet £rom average front yard setback (wnen greater than 35 feet}. Purpose served is to allow £or ofY-street parking without encroacning on the public right-o£-way, reduce the "ouilding line-of-sight° encroachment into neighboring yards, and preserve the aesthetic considerations of the neighborhood, B. STATED HARDSHIP: Family would like to convert existing garage into living space and add an attached garage to the front of the existing garage, Other alternatives are too expensive. C. ADh1INISTRATIVE STAFF' REVIE'al: No verif5ring survey was available to determine � the exact.extent of the variance request, Staff field measurements show a 15 ft, boulevard to be fairly uniform in Lhe area by comparing a verifying survey of 1470 Trollhagen with field measurements. Measurements from the FRIDLEY APPliALS CUMMISSION Mii.ETING OF JUNE 29, 1976 YAGE li 64 curbin,; from the hou_e in questi�n show that the proposed addiLion would be set back appror.imately 37 feet from ihe front propert,y line. The average . setback of the neighboring heuses in 110,7 feet. St�iff !'ee'_s that the ne:F�;,'�nr to th^ 5a;t nt 1l170 Trollhsi_p,en Drivc would be the only person to lose so�1e visahi]iL;� due to the construction of this addition. Unless there are objections from the neigiibors, Sta:f fee2s this is a valid rer.ue�t. Mr. Ro12o Black apnroached the Board and explain?d that several montns a�o they were trying to decide if' they should move or re;nodel ihez^ house� and had decided to �o with *he re:�odelin�. He said they had askeci tir. Dor. Pertein, Con�.ractor, to make some si��estions as to ho�,r thev might add on some addi.tional space, and showed the Com�ission a drawing of vinat he had come un ro*ith, He er,olained what they had noa �.=as a house �,rith an attached �arage; and he rrould like to convert that into a f�mily room and add an attached garage to the front, He stated the,y rrould �rant to make it architecturally in balance h•ith the rest of ttie nouse so it wouldn't have an"added on�� appearazice, hTr, Black continued that there were heatinp, ducts that could be used to heat the i'amily room as the furnace m�as right in the basement� aa�d any building off the back would require more extensive changes. He stated that this would be the least expensive way to go, and the most Iogical irom the standpoint of i'low of people in the house frem the kite:�en to the family roan He saia he had talked roughl,y with one or two contractars and asked their advise� but felt the first thing �aould be to determine i£ they cou3d get the variance and then go £rom there, Mr. Black said t'r.at the home irr�-�ediately to t$e West had tnis type of arrangement �rhere the garage was out in front of the rest o;'the house� so if he followed this pl.an zt iaould b�end in very well mith � with the rest of the h�uses in the neighborhood, tie added that he tcad talked with the neighbors and neither one had any objections, so he t,�aa asxing for a variance so they could proceed with their plans. A1r. Barna asked if he had considered building above the garage, and hlr, Black said he hadn�t really as he wanted Pirst floor space as opposed to second floor space. Mr. Barna asked v:hat size iamily he had, and Mr. Black answered that rie had one ltl year old child. Chairperson Sohnabel noted that there was no correspondence £rom neighbors, and stated that as you drove dowri the street the garage at 1450 Trollhagen was noti.cable because it did protrude. She said that therefore she didn�t think thzs one would be �mtch different or cause a problem in line-of-sight. She added that the main thing she would be concerned with was the neighbor at 11�70� and it appeared From iahat Mr. Black had said thai they have no objections. Mr. P1emel asked tiow many square feet Mr. Black had as Iiving space� and he replied it was something over 1,300, rir. Plemel stated that the point should be brought out that this was certainly an area of beautiful, large homes, and he didn't see much of a hardship in this case, Chairperson Schnabel asked if he had considered building on back, and Mr. Black replied it uould be less eapensive to go this way. He showed on the drawing where changes would have to ba made to build on in back� and explained the kitchen would have to be moved out and more extensive heating changes made. He staied it was � a matter of econorr�y, FH1llL�Y APPEAIS COMMISSION ME�TING OF 3UNE 29� 19%b PAGE 5 � Chairperson Schnabel stated that according to t},e drawing, the current garage . area was 22' long by 1�R' wide� and asked Mr. Bl.ack if he had considered not taking the entire garage area for the family room and dropping the new garage back slightl,y. Mr. Black said that �ras a possibility� and stated that the emount he was asking for dia not include the fact that he would probabl,y not take all of the area for a family room. He added that there would be some storage space included, and he really didn't anticipate using the entire garage for the family room. Mrs. Schnabel said what she was suggesting was instead of coming out as far as the drawing showed, starting the outside wall in further from the street. Mr, �lack said he would really like the flexibility io obtain the variance as requested� and added that he didn't really have a firm plan. Chairperson Schnabel said with the proposed plan A7r. Black would be at 37', and the neighbor was at 40'� and added that the one they were concerned with was the neighbor at 1470. Mr. �lack said he had put a marker as far out as he was asking to go, ana had asked the neighbors i£ it would disturu their siteline at all. He stated the neighbors said there was no problem as far as they were concerned, Mr. Black explained that they were a retired couple who spent a lot o£ time watching television and reading by the picture �indow� and they said it would not botner them. Mr. Holden said that the street did curve, and the contour of the development helped. Mr. �arna stated thnt the garage to the West stuck out considerably, but the rest were side-attached or tuck-under garages, ae said that the preposed plan would call 2'or a ratner long rooi' tine� and tnought it misht look rather peculiar. � Mr, Black said that was why they got a professional opinion, and he zelt tney wouldn't have any problem making it look good, Airs. Uabel said tnnt as a rule, if people are particular about what they are asking 1'or they will geL what tney want. Mr. Kemper asked iY Mr. �lack had a ball park price� and he replied it would cost between $12,000 to $15,u00. He added that he would probably do some painting himself and some of the finishing or ninor work� but was not a contractor so would hire people to do the rest of the work. MO'1'IOB by Plemel� seconded by Kemper� to close the public hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Plemel said that ordinarily there was a stated hardshio, and he didn't really see one with the size of this £amily or size of the home. He stated that if there were any objections from neighbors he would vote against it� but since there were none he would go with it. Mr. Barna said that if the couple to the East were to move, the new purchasers would be stuck zrith a restricted view. Mrs. Gabel pointed out that if someone purchased the home they would be aware of that. Mrs, Schnabel added that they had to bear in mind the curve of the street� and said their viex was more to the front of their own particular lots. Mr. Kemper stated that the public purpose served was off-street parking, and there was no problem there. He said it appeared the addition would be well- � thought out and situated satisfactorily with regard to the existing house� so his £eeling was that it was a satisSactory request and he would be inclined to go along with it. �--� FRIDLEY APPBAL; COMMISSION MEET1N� OF JUNE 29� 1976 PAUE 6 6� Chairperson Schnabel said the request was to go to 36'� but it seemed to fa21 in line more with 37� instead of 36'. Mr. Holden said he was really allowing £or the fact that they didn't have a verifying survey� and added that it mig ht be � 36,7� or 37�. Mrs. Gabel asked if there would have to be a fire wall� and Mr. Holden replied there would be. Mr. Kemper said he agreed with Mr. Plemel that there didn�t seem to be a signifi- cant hardship� but if the neighbors felt as h1r. Black suggested� he had no objection. Mrs, Schnabel said she believed they would have heard from the neighbors either b,y letter or phone call.�S they objected. Mrs, �abel said tnat perhaps their hardships weren�t we12 de�ined, but there would have been additionsl problems going oif the back and it wou2d be an add3tional expense� so there would be a few hardships to be taken into consider- ation. Mr. Barna said that if they had a lot of room and wanted more room� it was their prerogative. He stated he would have no objeciion to it. MOT10N by Kemper� seconded by Barna� that the Appeals Commission approve the request £or variance. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion car.ried unanimously. 3. HEQUES^1 FUk A VARIANCE OF SECTION 205.065, (3,A) FRIDLEY CITY CODE, TO ALLOW TEiVActT OFF-STNEET PAHKINU IN THE r`RONT YAR.D OF At� EXISTING !�-YLER� ZONED R-2 (TY70 FAMTLY D�+TELLIN(i AREAS)� LOCATED ON IATS 1!t AND 15, BLOCK 6� CITY VI�.���' ADDITION� THE SAME SEINU 390 57TH PLACE N.E.� FHIDLEF� MINNESUTA S$1t32). (Request by t�1r, & hirs, Pef.er Neururer, 650I - 7b� . Avenue North, Minneapolis� Minnesota 55428). MOTION by Barna� seconded by Uabel� to open the public hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. ADMFNISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT A. PUBLIC PURPOSE SEHVED t�Y REQUIHEA+�N2: Section 205.Ob5, 3}B. No parkirig stall shall occupy any portion of the required front yard, Public purpose served by this seciion of the code is to reduce visual pollution in the front yard. B. STATED HARDSHiP: Petitioner advised by the City Engineering Department that provision had been made to continue access to these existing stalls� but only contingent upon application and approval of the appropriate variance. C. ADMINI3TRATIVE STAr'b' REVIEW: Depressed curbing was installed in the front of this 1t-Plex to a12ow continued parking in Lhe front yard by the Engineering Department, because waiting for the processing of the variance request would have been a very costly delay in the street construction, The owner was requested to obtain a variance� or the depressed curbing would be replaced by regular curbing. The apartmenL has three 2-bedroom and one single bedroom units, which require a tota2 of 7.5 parking stal.ls. The garage in the rear� �. �� FHIDLEY APYEALS CUN�hfISSION MF.EY'ING OF JUNE 29, 1976 PAuE 1 s`� facing 57th Avenue ta.E.� has � parking stalls. It is located 1�0 £eet from the curbing on �7th kvenue xith approxirr.ately 10 feet of boulevard, T'his � would possibly allow for parking in the rear driveway without parScing in the street right-of-way. (Those with two cars could nark the second car outside, behind their gara�e >tall). ln addition, the 1�-Plex apartment building next door to the llest is 7yb feet from the building at 390 57tn Place, The area could be used as a joint parking area to help alleviate the front yard parking problem. Diagonal parking wii,h a driv�w�� fror. front to rear could be installed. This e,would require joint agreenent .�ith the neighbor to tne 'rlest. In as much as the neighhor to the h'est is scheduled 'oefore the A�aeals Commission *.�rith a si;�ilar request at the next meeting, Staf'f ^econmen�s that the Comnission discuss this issue, and postpone a decision until both requests can be considered simultaneously. Staff £eels that a viable alternative to this front yard parking can be worked out in this case. ^�.r, and Mrs. Pieururer approached the ??oard ;u�d said they had bought the bu'_lding about five years ago� and thougnt it must be about twenty years old, t�r, Neururer stated there had been parking allowed in front of his building und the 1�-Plex next to it for twenty years� and the curbs F:ere denressed to allow the cars to drive in. Mr. Hoi.den explained that a letter had been sent from the CitT: r.'l�gineer, Tom Colbert� saying that the o£f-street parking accommodatior.s on 57t:� Place �ere • in violation of the City Code. He said the leLter had stated tY,at in orde: to eontinue parking that way, they would have to reauest a variar.ce or the city would remove the depressed curbing, t�lr. Fiolden £urther explained that the depressed curbing had 'oeen povred because the concrete machir.es were right there working on a sireet improvement project. MOTIOi1 by Plemel, seconded bv Barna, that the Planning Comr�issior, receive the letter from Thomas Colbert to Mr, Peter Neururer� dated June l, 19'76, noti.`ying them they were in violation of the City Code, Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson schnabel noted there were parking stalls £or £ive cars in the rear of the building� and asked if the tenants didn�t use them. Pir. Neururer replied that the stalls were assigned and used by the tenants� but occasiona2ly thev would park in the front. He added that there was parking in £ront of the garage stalls also. Pir, Kemper asked how many total cars the four tenants had, and Mr. Neururer replied they all had at least one car. Mr. Plemel asked where the parking space was in front o2' the garaget and Mr. Neururer answered between the garage and the curb. Mr. Plemel asked how tnis all came about, anti f�r, Holden said that normally when the nex curbin� goes in on the street the new property owners are informed; however� while the discussion was going on the concrete machines uere going down the street so it was poured as depressed curbing. Mr. Holden explained that the neighbor to the West had a similar problem, and was scheduled � to appear before the Appeals Commission on their next agenda. FRIDLL7 APPEALS CUMMISSION MEETING OF JUNE ?_9, 19'l6 peUE 8 � � Mr. Barna asked what their actual desire was� and iS they would rather have ihe tenants al]. park in back. Mr. Neururer answered that they would pre,fer to keep • it the wa,y it is now, Mr. Pl.emel. asked if visitors could park on th? street for many hours, and Mr. Holden said thev could, Mr. Plemel asked what the ordinance was� and Mr. Holden replied that parking rras not allowed continuously for twent,y-£our hours. Mr. Plemel asked what tne street width was, and Mr. Holden ans��ered iL was 36' back o£ curb tn back o£ curb, with a driving surface of about 32�, Chairnerson Schn3bel said that apparenLly back in 1968� when the detached garage was built, they had requested anproval of a setbar,k from 3�' to 30', She stated that work was started on the garage and the concreLe poured, but a red tag was issued because it was irrtproperly set back and there was a court hearing, hir, Kemper asked if tnere u�as any discussion on the progosed garane pertaining to of'f-street parking in the £ront, ana Mrs. Schnabe2 replied that the code violation was that setback for garages and accessory buildings in a rear yard should be the same as for a front Vard. Cnairperson Schnabe2 read the £ollowing history of the garage to the Commission: April 10� 1968 - Issued 13uilding Permit #9659 for a 11 stall garage at 390 57th Place �;.E, with a 35' setback. April 16� 1968 - Inspection made by Clarence Belisle, "Hold £or Councii determination on setback." April 19� 19Gti - Inspection made by Jan Gasterland, Upon advise of the City Attorney the contractor was advised not to pour. S April 26� 196tS - Stop work order issued by Inspector Gasterland. ApriZ 2b, 1968 - Letter written Lo the owner, Terry Naig, by the City Engineer� hir, �ureshi� stating that he must go to the Board of Appeals £or the variance on the setback. May 3� 296tt - Inspection made by Clarence Belisle. Pictures were taken at this time of the garage vnder constx-uction, May b� 196tS - Complaint signed by the t3uilding Inspector, May 14, 1968 - More pictures taken which indicaied i�rther construction had taken place since the pictures on 5/3/68. Chairperson Schnabel said they continued to proceed and i'inally on July 1%, 1968� the case was trought bef'ore a judge. She stated the records do not say what happened� but the garage was obviously finished. Mrs, Neururer stated that some of the tenants had two cars, and ii' they parked one in the garage stall and one behind, they woula nave to juggle their cars around and it would ee inconvenient to them. She said that parking arrangements had been this way £or some time and the tenants were used to the off-street parking� an@ it would be missed i£ it �as not allowed. � - --- - '""''"; b'ttZDLnY APPr:aLS CuMt5ISS10rv 13E�'1'1nG OP' JUNE 29� 19'7b Pa�N; 9 f�9 Chairperson Schnabel said tnat they had to Y,eep ooth !�-Plexes in miiicl� as they • couldn't gra7t a variance to one and not the otner. She asked iY tney had talked to the otimer at 3a� about this, and Mr, Neururer replied he had not, Mrs, Schnabel said tnat tne reason she asked was because Sta£f felt that an alternative to the off-street parking for both of them would be to put a drive- way in betrreen the tWO buildings. Mr. Neururer replied that he was against that idea. He stated they had nothing but trouble with kids cutting through their property nox� a*�d he could £oresee many complaints from the tenants. He added that he had a fence through there that had been vandalized. Chairperson Schnabel asked hoh many� of the ter.ants used the gara�e stalls at the present time� and rfrs, Neururer replied that the,y all did. She added that one o2' the tenants did not have a car, but use3 the garage for storage; and that occasienally haif of the double garage was used for storage. She said they all parked t�eir cars in the garages overnight at this time. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the par;ting in the front was limited� and Pirs, Neururer replied it was, Afr, Barna esked if rir. Neururer would go along with black topping and a curb in the area in Pront� and he replied tnat he i•rould. Nr. Holden said the.re was a substantial boulevard there also, and ±he £ront was 35' setback £rom the lot line. P`s. &2rna said he urould be against the alternative suggested by Staff as it would be a playground for the kids, there would be vandalism problems� and the grass looked a lot better, Mr. Kemaer asked what would happen if ihis variance was denied, and Mr. Holden . said about 80� of dep^essed curbing would have to be removed at the city's expense� and it �;ould have to be replaced. He stated this would run between $1,000 and �1,600. Chairperson Schnabel said that if the tenants were prohihited from parking on the boulevard property and oif-street parking cras granted� they would have to park right up to the front oi' the building. hSr, Holden said he tnought boulevard parking could be granted. Mrs. Schnabel asked if that wou2d require a special request since it was a separate code, and Nr. Holden said he didn�t think so. fie said if parking were allowed on the boulevard� perhaps there should be some curbing there so it would look like a oarking area. He stated he thought this would enhance it� as sometimes people drive over on the grass. Mr. Plemel added that it xould clean it up somewhat, and would define the area. Chairperson Schnabel said that off-street parking did not necessarily mean parking in the front yard� and that was �rhy she was wondering if it would need a separate request to park on the boulevard, She asked how this was plowed in the wintertime, and Pfr. Neururer replied that he plowed it himself. Air. Kemper asked where he puL the snow� and r1r. Neururer said no further on the grass than he had to. Mrs. Schnabel said that i£ off-street parking were allowed� there would have to be sone kind of a guarantee that it would be plowed. Mr. Kemper asked if he ploxed snow for his neighbor at 380� and Mr. Neururer replied he did not. Mr. P1eme1 stated that he didn't think the absence of off-street parking in . front �rould cause any problem in renting the units. Atr. Neururer agreed, but r'HIDLEY APPEA7S C�MMISSION 1J[EE1'ING OF JUNE 29, 1976 PAt;E 10 �n said the tenants that already lived there were used to it. Mrs. Neururer stated that the units would be Iess desirable if' the people had to move their cars � around to get one out. She added that the peop2e in the double gara�;e had two cars� there was someone else moving in with two cars� so there would be three tenants who had two cars. She stated there realiy wasn�t a problem as long as off-street parking was available. Nir. Kemper said he would like this correct ', number oF tenants with two cars noted in the record, ' Chairperson Schnabel said thaL the exi,ting code would require 7.5 parking stalls Yor the size and number of apartments in that dwelling� so since they have five existing stalls they caould technica115= have to provide 2.5 more i;o meet the code. 1�Ir. Plemel oointed out that the area in front oS the garage was not really a parking stall. Mr. Holden said that ii' they x�ere to grant this request� they should include 5ectian 205.�55, 1� 2& 3, talki.ng about boulevards. Chairperson Schnabel said tnat what they c2me down to was since parY.ing would be nrohibited on Lhe boulevard, it would be a reouirement that 2.5 additional parking stalls be provided on the property with an access that could go on to the boulevard. She explained that if they allom*ed off-street parking in the front, they co�ild state their approva2 in terms of number of parking stalls. They could allow three o£f-street parking stalls in the f'ront, she stated. Mrs. Schnabel added that she was tryi.ng to get at justifying the requestt because then it would come up to code. She stated that they had an additional problem when they talked about this in terms oi' the structure next door, and thought it was un£oriunate tne,y couldn't have both requests before them at t;�e sarie time. Mrs. Schnabel said that because the two buildings were adjacent� even though • they had separate owners, they were the only to;o on that side of the street and should both be considered at the same time, rir. Neururer asked i£ just their variance could be granted at this time, and the other o�,mer�s at the time he appeared before the Board. Chairper�on Schnabel said she didn�t tnink that was the solution� and said the other owner's problem iaas a little different since he does not have a parage. Mr. Plemel asked if there weren�t requirements for off-street parking when these buildings were built, and PSrs. Schnabel said not necessarily. She stated that these codes probablv dicin�t exist at the time those buildings were built. Mr. $emper suggested tabling Lhis until such time that both parties could appear be£ore the Board, birs. Pleururer asked i£ the tenants would be ticketed in the meantime, and Mr. Aolden repli.ed they vronld not. P1r. Neururer asked if it would help to talk to the neighbors and have them sign something, and Mr. Barna said it would help a little bit, He stated that there was a conflict with three or four different zoning ordinances' and a solution was necessary, so it would be better to look at the r�hole picture instead of just part of it. Mr. Barna asked if they would go with a well-maintained parking area in the front� and P1rs. Neururer replied they would, and said they had plans to black top it. There was some discussion as to if Mr, and Mrs. Neururer would be able to attend the next scheduled mee,ting of the Appeals Commission if this were to be tabled� as it conflieted with their vacation plans. A£ter some debating� it was decided that they would resehedule their plans to be in attendance. � P'HIDLEY APPEAL; C0�41SSION MEETING OF JUNE 29, 1976 PAUE 11 ---- _ __ _ _ _ - — - — �1 MOTION by Kemper, seconded by Barna, that the Appeals Commission ta6le this request � until the next scheduled meeting on July 13, 1976� when both parties of 390 and 38� S7th Place would appear on the agenda; and that off-street parking be permitted until the Board has acted on this request, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. A➢JOURNh1F.nT : Chairperson Schnabel adjourned tne Appeals Commission meeting of June 29� 1976 at 9:33 P.Ai. Respectflzlly submitted, ��on,� �9�9f�.�o�r� Sherri O�Donnell Secretary � � T'—,.a�l �z • OFFICIAL NOTICE CZTY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE TF� PLANNING COMMISSION TO WEIOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Ha11 at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, June 9, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: � Consideration of a Preliminary Plat, F.S. #76-05. Innsbruck North Replat 3rd Addition, by Darrel A. Farr Development Corporation, being a replat of that part of Innsbruck North Townhouses Third Addition, described as follows: Lots 1 to D inclusive, Block ?lt Lots 1 to 4 inclnsive, Dlock 72� - Lo's 1 to 4�inclu;ivo, 91oc'< ?}i . � � Lots 1 to 4 inclusive. 91ock 2u� Lots 1 to 4 inclv^ive, 91ock 25i • Lots 1 to 4 inclus:ve, `31ock 26c also that p3rt of Lot 1, 91oc:: ^_9 described as follows� . Beqinning at r,ne r.orthw�as! ccf:er o_° �^.iC 91ock 21 � thence -� North 9 de, r°es }0 r�ir.u?r� '--�N• .?con".s •ta�t a di�tance o.° 16 feett - thence Morth 9G derrees U9 �:i.^.�tes 1' seccnds ::ast a dista�ce of 33 feet� thenr.e ;outh 9�e;ree; 50 ainirtes 43 seconds sast a dist:�nce of 16 fe2t to the northeast cor.^.er of said 31ock 21i thence to the point of be,;inninr;� also that nart of I,ot 1, 31ocr 'S descs•it;ed as follows�. Beginnin^ at the noi•'hwust coz,:er o.' saiC Jloc� ?2t thence "forth 2 de,;roes 7J *.ninutes ',c��*. 2 cisf.a�:ce o£ 10 feet� thence- � Fiorth 8i da_recs �1 mittutc� -.a.�t a.'.i&�aoce oi 33 feet� thence South 2 de,°,ras=; ;9 rii:iutas ':�:>t a<'-isT�nre of 10 feet to the northaast corn�r of said 'looi %2; Y�ne:�r.e to the poi:�t o£ be��inning� a13o thnt par' of Lo± 1. ?'_oc:- '8 :ieacribed as folloris� EeFinnin�; at ±he uautheast co�rv�r oi szid Plocic 2<i thance South . 2 dep,t'ees 99 minutes �^.�-t s di=_-^n.e o£ G feett thence South $? de�mes 21 :ninutes H'est a_iis!^r.ce of 33 feett ihence North 2 dePir.2c 7? rnznutes We3*. a ci`•:tei�ce o°, 0 1'eet to the southwest corner of said 51ock 22� th,nce to the ?oint of be�inning� also that part of Lot 1, glr.cr 79 de�cribed as follows+ f3e�inning at the aoutheast ecr.^.er of ani.d iilor,k 7.3i thence South 7 deP_rees OQ �ainutes �+i secor:��:; �a:t a distance of 16 £eett thence South 92 d^�ree, ;9 �+in•ites 1� seconAs ::est a dlst.^.nce of 37 fcet� thence� i7orth i de; nes 00 ni�zat�c wl� eecondv 1Peat n distance oC 16 feet to the soutn�rest conier of said Blcck 2�� thenci to the polnt of begir.ning� _ nlso that F3rt of Lot 1, Blr.c:; 28 de�r,ribed as follo�xs� . � Reginnin� 1t the no:th�vest corner o: said .".lock 24� thence North a distance of 15 teeti thcnce c.a.^.t 3 Aistance of 7') feete thonce Sauth a di.^.tvice of 1(i ,eet to the norti�east corncr uf said Block 24� thence to the point oC ��erinnintt • V Page 2 ulao that p3rC of Lot 1, 91or,k 2$ dcr,crlbed na follows� � . Ce/;innin(; aY t,hr. r,outl:eaa[ corpr.r of ::nid Plock ?St Lhence South � �3 derrncs 33 tif.nates 3t eecond:: a Ai^tnnce of lo feett thence "+orth 7G degrer.s Z(i ninutr.e 19 .ecoan�i �rr,�t a�llstance of 33 feet� Chence North 13 derrecs 33 minutes 41 ,er,onde east a distance of 16 . feet io the southw��t corner of r,aid lllock 2$t-thr.nce Lo t�e point of be�inni.npi �, J also that part of Lot 1, Ifloc;c 2f3 desr,ribed as follows� 3eginnin� at the southeast corner of said 31ock 25� thence South ]1 degrr_es 41 r�inutes 11 secoads �Vr.,t n distance of 1G feet� kFence Nerth ��3 deFreec 18 ninutes L'9 seconA3 West a distance of 33 fee`.t !henc2 tlorth 11 deerees !+1 minute� 11 seconds iiast a distanco of 15 feet to Che southwest corner of said Block 26� thence to the poSnt oS beginningt � all lying in the South Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: May 26, 1976 June 2, 1976 RICHARD "H. IiARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION �� � CI'PY 0� FRIDLGY FIINNGSOTA ��! / PLANNING AND ZONINC r01tM NUMBGR V• J-''� �(� — a1 Tr�L o� aLQues�� APPLICANT'S SICNA`I'URE /l�i�:�%� r�'. . �,�- L - �•'.^ �..r '%:�' Rezoning Address ' �' /� � "! � �''" %�.`ii�` `- = ' ��' SpCC13� USE PC27qlt Telephone Number �" =`` PROPGRTY OS9NGR'S SIGNAT�RE Address Telephone Number , � Street Locati.on of Property : r>;' Legal Description of Property � %`� �:..' , : ,' !/ Approval of Premi�i- inary $ Final Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Fee � (� eceipt No. �) � � �J Present Zoning Classification �" '. Existing Use of Property Acreage of Preperty Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed _ iJ: -•: � z-- z F: —%' •- ' � (l.(/Y!1C� d.�i,'[,/. .n �'(O/ l�C3l/: %�' ,/'r:' �'�- _ _--_ �."i'" <. • Has tlie present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.o£ it? / yes no, What was requested and when? � The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all resi.dents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning).must be attached to this application. (b) This application must be signed by all oivners of the Qroperty, or an 'explanation given iahy this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in tl�e proceedings resulting from the failurc to list the names and addresses of all residents and yroperty owners of property in question, belongs to the undcrsigned, A sketch of proposed property and stivcture must Ue drawn and attaclted, s}tiowing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lc.t. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. 5. Locatio�t and use of adjacent existing Uuildings (�,�ithin 300 feetj. •The undersigned hereby declares that all ihe facts and representations stated in this application are true and correct. _ �" DATE � !i,;;.. f.�, SIG�ATURE �� �-%. " ° � , . �(Ai'!'LICAN'f) _ C� Datc Filed Date of ficaring Planning Commission nl�rrov�a City Council Approved (dates} Denied (datcs) Denied � • � � Ps. � #76-05 Darrel Farr Development Corp Replat Blocks 21-26 to I,ots 1-6 t.o allow 2- 2 car garages and 2 single car garages in each block Ms. Pamela J. Braun 5562 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald J. Kunshier 5558 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Daniel Shaw 5554 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55932 Mr. 3ames Hanson 5550 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Margaret Schweizer 5546 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Karl Klopfer 5542 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Stephen Tollison 5538 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Paul Leibman 5534 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Alice Shaughnessy 5530 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Susan Sisson 5526 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Donald Olmstead 5522 Meister Rnad N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Harry Zook 5518 Meister Road N.E. Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Kent Koch 5514 Meister Rpad N.E. Fridley, Mn, 55432 Mr. Robert Cargill 5510 Meister Road N.E Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Richard Nafstad 5575 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Terry Wiley 5571 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Mary Blisha 5565 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. James King 5561 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Aouglas Van Arkel 5563 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Planning Commission �� .1 S 7� Mr. Ronald Ferkingstad 5567 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Thomas Hummel 5545 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. William Goon 5541 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Ann Neher 5543 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn- 55432 Mr. James Pries 5547 E. Bavarian Pass F=idley, Mn. 55932 Mr. Murray Heatley 5533 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Wayne Bothun 5535 E. savarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lynn Castner & Ms. Deonne Parkez 5537 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Charles Franke 5529 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Steven Kessel 5525 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Shirley Dickey 5531 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. John Becker 5521 E. Havarian Pass Fridley, Mn_ 55432 Mr. Edward Englund 5517 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mz. Gary Oclegaard 5519 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Ms. Linda Borry 5523 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Leonard Rutter 5540 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. David Johnson 5544 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Lorin Woods 5542 E. Bavarian Pass Fridley, Mn. 55432 Mr. Richard Sharpe 5578 E. 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' . � w 1 �-4'; � • . � � , �;ti��i :I` --��+ V �� ,s` --1 i : Lr � I_ 1 '9 t_� -} L _ .:, � ' _ iV �� + l _�1 � �----' ...i. �_ , i.. � : ; - I _._-,�` "� y, ` �.�-� � -_; -- ; '�.-_'_.'�-,';Ii-�- �� - � � i; I - � I ; .� �tr.�� � i;�: `�._ '� .� � �_-� � t . �_ . ____� _ . �, _. _ . � . _...__.. ... .,, �� • � � � 6fFICIi1L WOTICE CI7Y OF FRIDLCY PUQLIC HE��R71JG �EfORE TI1E PLA(�WIt�G COt�it1ISSI0N TO 41HOt4 IT PMY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that therP �ii11 be a Public Nearing of trre Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on July 14, 1976 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.I�i, for the purpose of: A request for a 5pecial Use Permit, SP !�`76-iQ, by Youva Klucsar, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.052, 2, A, to allow the construction of a second accessory building, a detached double garage for storage of ttio Model "A" automobiles, on Lot 20, Block 4, Ptoore Lake Hills Addition, all lying in the North Half of Section 24, T-30, . R-24, City of fridley, County of Anoka, yinnesota. "- 6enerally located at 1337 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Any and all persons desiring to be heard shall be 9iven an opportunity at the above stated time and place. June 30, 1976 July 7, 1976 RICHARD N. NARRIS CHAIRhL�N PLANNTNG COMhtI5SI0N � e-�-r � F z ' i� CITY OP rRIDLGY MINNGSOTA PLANNING AND 20NING PORM NUPIBER � �%-�v j / � � APPLICANT'S SIGhATURL�k - � - r. .F �lt"' AJJress / j r�%�r l� c^ i2"!�: � U�"�� TYPC OF REQl1GST Rezoning ^� Speci-a] Use Permit Telephone Numbcr APProval of Premin- inary £, 1'inal Plat PROPIRTY 0{VNL=R'S SIGNATURB� - < <r ��� .__ Streets or Alley Vacations Address�� __ _ � Other Telephone Number � � a`1 -'� `? `;'� C Fee Receipt No. p J? L- � Street Location of Property (��'7 ��i��L��tib7 �R Legal Description of Property `��� � :� •��r�r �l pJl�'���:�_ �.-;,�k �-�ic��'; Present Zoning Classi£ication �-� £xisting Use of Property ��,���_c„� y'-)������'; f1 Acr.eaoe of Property R�PRGK ����GCt� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed ��, _;��z,.�.-� �'� ��?;i iAc�•d�i.� r-- " � a � ��A(Z�� f 6}z. _ ��iG�R�c r� �`�= ( �,�_, ,)lc����c_ Has the present applicant pre��iously sought to rezone, plat, obtai.n a lot split or, variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? yes x no, What was requested and iahcn? . The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and otaners of property witliin 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attached to this application. (b) This application must be signed Uy all owners o£ the property, or an explanation given iahy this is not the case. (c) P.esponsibility for any defect in the proceedinos resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residcnts anJ property owners of property in question, belongs to the undcrsigned. A skctch of proposed property and structure must Ue dra�an and attached, siioiving t}ie follo�aing: 1. North Direction. 2. Location o!' proposed structure on thc 1ot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed stivcture, a�id front and side setUacks, 4. Street Names. 5. Location and use of adjace�rt eaisting buildings (�vithin 300 fcet). The undersigned hereUy declares that all the facts and representations stated in tliis application are true and correct. / k� � DATE — jtf- jG SIGNATi1FH��-�t .._ � " « (APP L ICAN'V' 7 Date Piled �ate of Hcaring �/� %� Plam�ing Commission Approved City Council Approvcd (Jates) Denied (�1:.tcs) Denicd_ � � vv Planning Conenission June 2q, 1976 MAILING LIST SP 1176-10 YODUA KLUCSAR Second Accessory building Per fridley City Code, Section 205.051 (2,A) Mr. & Mrs. Richard Kinsman 1348 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. hans Meyerhoff 1350 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Clifford Lund 1346 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 550.32 Mr. & Mrs. Earl Hansmann 1344 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Neal �enewein 1342 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Henkel 1340 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Adolph Kukowski 1338 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. George Bacon 133b Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Walter Johnson 1334 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mary Lou Holte 1332 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Richard Modig t330 Nillcrest Drive N.E. fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Joseph Hinytzke 1328 Ni1lcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gerald Larson 7345 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Charles Hanson 13A9 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harold Thompson 1351 Hiilcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 14r. & Mrs. Leif Henriksen 1327 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Rand Beckstrom, Jr. 1331 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs: Youva Klucsar 1337 Hillcrest Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 �± - ° � y O1 �� ��/��� � SP #76-10 YOUVA KLUCSAR Second Accessory building � �� so I J °'' ��wpODY22 �NF� b� lo�� ti :., g ♦ ,. ,G �...F �i 1 h a.S"_ 9'' LI , Li3`� . 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I � . _ f 5a _ . _ 4: :� �..f � �.., ,. �.;; �; � . . a -,i";,a- _,..._.. _ . _ � o,.� ,�i .w �%�?', � �iaoi , <F� j �GOO) ��30� I � - � ! . � a��� H� � N-- �(35a) � (sso� rz35) �Z � ..I C�,e) �ncc� �i �' , . �- s .�iy _,✓ f roii�,r,• :�1- �' `53S i? g ,; h• ; o� %. ,_.� y�lj .c,r:yt�J.s....;• ✓..�. }�� .o ,�}0; : T '{�i A�.11 JN �. � .'i �29/ /3 I i � `q41� �- _ o;-�„�i�s.i .r, �..� L n, Q( R � . _.. _ "rvill_ rS� ��`!�J lHz3 19��ila'� � }�bi��� 1�17� .\,�q i ' - d:. . ... ...,_._ . I � ., i 5 , ....0 ��.�t ci� or• r•ainLeY MiHror:so•rn �7 PLANNING AND ZONING I�ORM NUMDGR� `� /���J� � n�t�[.icnK�r�s sicHnTV�ir: n�S ro � i c� ►� naaress _,Z`1 SC F I�, S'f ./l( : 1- • � � J ' / Telephone Number r78(o —q%� y �z TYP6 OI� RCQOCST Rezoning Special Use Permit Approval of Premin- inary $ Pinal Plat PROPCRTY 04YNER'S SIGNATURG,,q_�¢ ,/ ti���_{�('�n Q �_ Streets or Alley ��`C`""` Vacations Address . Telephone NusnUer Stxeet Location of Property Legal Description of Property Present Zoning Classi£ication Acreage of Property Other � � Fee�Receipt No. Existing Use of Property Describe briefly the proposed zoning classification or type of use and improvement proposed � �� ��c 3 }3as the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? yes_�ao. IVhat was requcsted and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and oioners of property within 300 £eet (350 feet for re2oning) must Ue attached to this application, (U) This application must Ue signed by all o�aners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proccedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and property o�aners of property in question, belongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed property and structure must Ue dra�an and attached, showing the following: 1. Nortii Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lo±. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and £ront and side setbacks. 4. Street Names. S. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (rvithin 300 feet). •The undersigned hercUy declares that al� e facts and representations stated in tltis application are true and coxrect. � DATE SIGNAI'URE��;t �� t� (APPLICA�'C) , Uatc Filed Date of Hcaring Plnnning Commission Approved (dates) Denied � City Council Approvecl (dates) Denied �A^+► -, � PETITION TO CLOSE QLLEY UN BLOCI( �11 (between Ely and Liberty) ,�L.r�!/ �i�tfv t,itirtE �,D:, L ss �/, �i�rn�-�r� a46 �� ' � �t1�' , � � \��,.sJ.,�. �� �\ o ���j� � �;1. � � .� S� 'i(� t� �- � � �� r�--- � 8 � � � /v , � � �/ ? 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Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr, & Mrs. Randall 289 Liberty Street Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & P�(rs. Bryan Kohl 220 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Spencer '`Mr. & Mrs. Clarence Godlewski N.E. 228 E1y Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. James Horn 279 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr, & Mrs. Robert Nentges 269 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Clifford Parker 259 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 '�Mr. & Mrs. James Zukowski 249 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Marvin Hietala 239 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. Francis 229 Liberty Street Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. �ulius Vetvick Bayview-Star Route #1 Pequot Lakes, Mn 56472 *Dir. & Mrs. Darrell Nystrom 248 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 �Ar. Ernest Walters 262 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Erickson 264 E1y Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Brustad 272 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Poehler *E•ir. & Mrs. Charles Sprafka N.E. 280 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs, Eugene Graunke 225 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 . Mr. & Mrs. Donald Hoff 215 Liberty Street NoE. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. William Sicora 201 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. Marshall Johnson 200 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Edward Bishop 212 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr, & Mrs. Duane Motzko 290 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 *Mr. & Mrs. Azad Mesrobian 298 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Minnesota *Signed Original Petition 14 out of 23 property owners � . .���� �� �,� � .� FR/�L,�"Y �., � � . � � SAV �76-04 Karen Mesrobian Vacate the East-West � 12' alley in Block 11 � ' Spring Brook Park Addn: � between ly. Li erty St. �6 f -- .. . :u-; -,. � ......Z64G.9'....... f:__`. � ^.. 'ol �. C : idajs e . .. .. . .. .. _' '__" n.. . .. � . . .. . .... , ^ ��—_..pOB r� � " �' SO 2 �.. 34 � . , . .. _ ., . ,. 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Program Plan D111: Develop Comprehensive Park Plan D112: Tennis court survey D113: City-o-�ide need study - City-wide facilities D114: Park Availability Study D115: Program Objective D120: Provide innovative park design with a balance of functional and aesthetical considerations, creating substantial recreational, educational, social and psychological experiences. Program P7an D121: Develop design series for parks D122: Develop file on maintenance free system D123: Program Objective D130: Provide for innovative space management to allo�,r a balance of use, freedom and control tivith safety as a prime consideration Program Plan Program Objective Program Plan Program Objective Program Plan GOAL STATEM[NT Prograo} Objective Program Plan D131: D132: D140: Encourage the advancement of recreation opportunities for all residents. D141: Coord�nate Activities Program D142: Teen Activities Program D143: Elderly Activities Program D144: D150: Promote "people oriented" parks through active citizeii participation. D151: D152: D153: D154: D200 D210 D211: D212: Pro;;ect Committee by neighborhood Dispersin9 of information Help foster an attitude which stimulates life-long motivat.ion for learning and cultural development. Proniote an a�aareness and appreciation of the Nuroanities ..---, , ��'"' , PLAI3NING COMMISSION MEMBERS: � . .. � � � � �� . � Will you glease receive these minutes of the Hwnan Resources Commission meeting of July 1, 1976 at the July 14th meeting. i � Hesides the motion of receiving these minutes, there has to be another motion made on the recommendation which concerns the City budget. The motion should be made in this manner: Motioa by that the Planning Co�ission recormsends to or Council (approval) (that they do not concury with the recommendation by the Human Resources Commission that the Council consider that at least 510,000 of public money be allocated to the broad area of cultivation of human resources development in the City of Fridley. This can be a separate motion, or eSse added on to the first motion, that the Planning Commi,ssion also �oncurs or dces not concur with the budget disbursement of the $10,000 as rec�nded by the Human Resources Commission. By receiving these minutes at the July 14th meeting, these minutes will go to the City Council on July 26th 1976 and the Council will be starting on the budget August 2nd. � PLANNING CALL TO ORDIIi: �V r��1� C1TY OF FRIDLEY JULY 1l�� 1976 Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:36 P.M. PAGE 1 ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris� Hergman, I,angenfeld� Peterson� Shea, Gabel (attending for Schnabel) Members Absent: None Others Present: Jerrold Soardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION HINUTES: JUNE 23. 1976 Mr. Bergman stated that on page 1l�, 3rd paragraph, it should read Mr. Robert Schroer was not present. Mrs. Shea said she had a couple o£ minor changes� and noted that on June 2jrd • Mrs. Wahlherg xas no longer Wahlberg but Mrs. Schnabel. She also stated that Mr. Boardman�s statement on page 9, second para�raph� gave the impression they were discussing more than one greenhouse� and asked that "sma11-greenhouses° be changed to "a small greenhouse°. Mr. Langenfeld asked that his statement on page 9, l�th paragraph, asking iY there xas a large degree of heat be changed to ea¢essive heat. He said he also xished to explain that on page 10, l�th paragraph� xhere he was talking about if a fellow neighbor had stuck this in the back yard, his idea was to merely say that Staff would be the first to be right there to make him move it. Mrs, Gabel stated she xould like the following sentence added to her statement on page 19, last paragraph (continued on page 20): Perhaps someone could look into this and see i£ something couldn't be done so a better situation could be set up. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission minutes o£ June 23� 1976 be approved as corrected. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE MEETING • Mrs. Shea noted on page 30 of the minutes� the last sentence in the 6th paragraph� ahich read: At this point in time, he (Mr. Peterson) doesn�t think our ordinance is really set up to allow the Commission to create project committees xithout appointing a chairperson for them. She stated that the Human Resources Cownission had a completely opposite viewpoint, and wondered if this shouldn't be discussed 6 u • Planni.ng Commission Meeting - July 14� 197b PaBe 2 at some point. She added that they alloved their project committees to elect their own chairperson. Mr. Peterson stated that the new ordinance implied that the person who was a member of the Commission could serve, or that the Commission could appoint someone other than the Coimnissioner to be the chairperson. Mrs, Shea disagreed, and said it didn't really say that one wqy or another, and she felt it needed clarification. She stated the committee may be chaired by a member o£ the Commission and at least one member of the Commission shall act as lisison. . ' Mr. Boardman stated he thought it xas pretty much the prerogative of the Comnission when they set up the regulations for the co�mnittees. Chai.rperson Harris said that was the Way he understood it, and added that he thought it was within the realm of the indivi.dual member commissions and the way they wanted to handle it. Mr. Peterson said he just didn�t want to be gieing wrong inYormation to the rest of the Commi.ssion, but there was no problem as far as he was concerned. Mrs. Shea asked if it would be possible to get a map at some time from Parks end Recreation on the project committee areas� and Mr. Boardman passed out to the Commi.ssion copies o£ the maps. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Special Meeting of the Parks and Recreation Couuni.ssion meeting o£ June 1�1, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. HECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUAI.ITY COMMISSION MIN[TTES: NNE 15, 1976 Mr. Langenfeld stated that the last sentence in the 4th paragraph on page 1t0 should read must instead of most. He also co�mnented that on page lt2, the last sentence in the third paragraph should read Lead Anoka County Fr[gi.neer. Mr. Boardman said he rrould like to discuss some of the problems that the Fridley Environmental Quality Commission was having in finding a direction to go--their scope. He stated he thought it might be wise to have some direction come dorm from the Planning Coimnission to the Fhvironenmtal Commission. Mr. Harris suggested adding that as Item 3A. MOT10N by Peterson, seconded by Bergcnan, that the Fhvironmental Quality Commission's direction be added to the agenda as Item 3A. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris asked Mr. Langenfeld where they were on the mining ordinance� and Mr. Langenfeld said the Coimnission members had decided to read Code 70 and the mining ordinance and also Golden Valley's and take dovn their cort¢nents. He said they then wanted to come up �rith a new Code 211 mi.ning ordinance. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive • the mi.nutes of the Ehvironmental Quality Cormnission meeting of June 15, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. � • . Planning Commission Meeting - July l�, 1976 Page 3 FiECEIVE PANKS & RECKEATION COMMISSION HINUTFS: JUNE 28, 1976 Mr. Peterson said he would like to point out the two items that were added to the agenda on page 1t6. He stated that these were items that, by motion, were to be part oP the June agenda; but due to an oversight they were inadvertently left o£f, Mr. Langenfeld stated that he had attended the June 28th meeting oP the Parks and Recreation Cotmnission and commented that Mr. Peterson handles a Commission vexy well. � � Chairperson Harris said that he had a question on project coimnittees, and noted that as he read through he noticed there were some committees that seemed urell- staffed and some weren't so xell-staffed. Mr. Peterson said that when the idea was Pirst brought to the rest of the Commission there tended to be some doubts that they xould be able to fill thirteen neighborhood project co�nittees, so the conrse of action that was decided upon xas that the Coimnission would take the responsibility to appoint thirteen chairpeople. He stated that each Coimeissioner was to bring in all of the names o£ people he lmew who rrould like to serve. He continued that they had gotten a Pront page article in the Stiui stating that anybody vho xas interested should call in, and memos were sent to each member of the Planning Conunission and each City Council person asking £or suggestions. Mr. Peterson stated that the reason some areas have more names than others vas because they didn't get many names suggested out o£ a neighbor- hood. Chairperson Harris noted that in neighborhood 11 there xas no one on the committee. Mr. Peterson said he would like to respectfully note that Mr. Harris, as Chair- person, rras given the opportunity to submit names for each one of the neighbor- hoods; and also, the Park Co�nissioner srho accepted responsibility for that particular area had not sent in any names. Mr. Peterson stated that at this point the chair would probably exercise his prerogative and make an arbitrary appointment, but that xas against the rules o£ procedure that vas established by the Commission. He added that something rrould be done; either the chair vould exercise his prerogative or the Cotmnissioner would be contacted one more time anci asked far a narae for that area. Chairperson Harris asked if Hr. Peterson had received the list of names he had su6�nitted Por area 3. Mx'. Peterson said he ras sure they did� but he couldn't say he handled it personally. Mr. Harris said he had given Mr. �ioardman a verbal list� and he had xritten it dovn. Mr. Boardman stated he had given that list to Mr. Peterson. Mr. Harris said he would be sure to give Mr. Boardman another list� and added that his concern rras that every area get representation. Mr. Peterson said he vanted to co�nent that some of the Staff and some of the Commissioners xere astonished and very pleased at their last meeting ahen they had the classroom almost Yull of interested people xho had volunteered to serve on a project cotmoittee. He flu�ther said that they had 11 out of 12 appointed chairpersons attend, plus four or five people in addition to the chairpersons. He said it was even beyond the expectations that he and Mr. Boardman had. Mr. Peterson told the members oY the Commission that iY they had naznes to go in any Planning Cwmnission Meeti.ng - July 14, 1976 Page !t 6 C area to please submit them as they were still vorking with the chairpeople. • He also pointed out that the names Yor each project coimnittee xould be submitted to the Commission for reviert so they xouldn't have one chairperson and four neighoors, as tney Hanied representation from the entire neighborhood. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Hergman, that the Planni.ng Commission receive the minutes of the Parks and Hecreation Coimnission meeting of June 28, 1976. Upon a voice note, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEAIS COHIffSSION MINUTFS: NNE 29, 1976 Mrs. Uabel said that these minutes vere not available at the Appeals Commission meeting held July 13th, but in reading them over she did not see any corrections or additions. Chairperson Harris sa3d that again he would like to commend the Appeals Commission for their diligent work, and added that it seemed they were handling a vast amount of xork lately and doing it in an expeditious manner. MOTION by Gabel, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Coimnission receive the minutes of the Appeals Coimnission meeting of June 29� 1976. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Peterson said that before moving on to the next item he wanted to comment • thet the Parks and Recreation Commission had a special meeting on July b concerning the budget� and he had hoped that the minutes would be available at this time. Mr. Boardman explained those minutes were in the process o£ being prepared. Mrs. Shea noted they had not yet received the mi.nutes o£ the Human Resources Commission meeting of July 1, 19T6. Chairperson Harris suggested these minutes be held and added as 3B on the agenda. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Gabel, that the Human Resources Coimnision minutes of.�he July 1� 1976 meeting be added as Item 3B on the agenda. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, 1. TABI,ED: PUBLIC UitA'1'lUN: rieing a replat oi' Lots 1 to 4 inclusive� Slocks 21 through 26� and also part o£ Lot l, Bloek 28, InnsSruck North Townhouses Third Addition, to allow changes in the size of garages� generally located on the West side of East Bavarian Pass and South of Meister Road N.E. Public Hearing open. Mr. �3oardman explained that Mr. James London had called and asked that this item be continued as he could not attend this meeting. • MOTION by Peterson� seconded by l3ergman� that the Planning Commission table the Public Hearing on consideration of a preliminary plat� P.S. �j76-O5, Innsbruck North �eplat Third Addition, by Darrel A. F'arr Develo�nent Corporation, with the Public Hearing open� until the next regular meeting of the Planning Commission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Planning Co�nission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 5 6� 2, PUBLIC HEAHINti: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PEEiMIT, SP � RLUCSAF: Yer rr�aiey �1tiy �oae� �ecLion LV7�V7G� �, .., �� a���- �••� cons�r�ion of a second accessory build'ing� a detached double garage for storage of two Model "A" automobiles, on Lot 20, 131ock 4, Moore Lake Hills Addition, the same being 1337 Aillcrest Drive tV.E. Mr. Youva Klucsar was present. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #76-10, by Youva Klucsar. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:05 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained that this Kas a request for a Special Use Permit for a second accessory building to house two Model "A" automobiles. He said that at the present time the cars were outside and Mr. Klucsar Would like to construct a two-car garage to store these in, and added that he presently had an attached garage to the house. Mr. Boardman explained this would be located in the rear yard toward the Northwest corner o£ the property� and said that Sta££ had no objections to this with two stipulations: 1} This garage cannot and irill not be used for home oceupation, and 2) It must meet all setback code requirements and cannot be set any closer to the front yard than the neighboring house to the West. Mr. Klucsar stated that he would be willing to meet all the regulations oY • the City of FY�idley. He said that this garage would be used to store his cars because they were not being used for transportation� and he also liked to keep his front garage clean so vhen the garage door vas open it would look neat and not cluttered. Chairperson Harris asked how large a building he was proposing, and Mr. Klucsar answered about 22� X 22� or 22' X 24'. He said he tirould be i+illing to follow whatever the city ordinance said� but the main thing was to get the cars under cover. Mr. Klucsar stated that he was told when he moved in that he could build another garage, and if he had lmown he couldn't he wouldn't have bought the house. Mrs. Uabel said she would like to lmov how big the lot xas, and Mr. Klucsar replied it aas approximately 102' % 11Gli'. He added that the garage would be A�T�st out of sight because trees would be hiding it� and there would be no driveway. Mrs. Gabel then asked if Code didn�t require him to have a driveway to his garage� and Mr. Boardman said they would have to take a look at the situation as he xas not sure i£ it �ould be required or not. Chairperson Harris asked if these vehicles were licensed� and Mr. Klucsar answered that they were licensed once� and that was all that was required. He explained they could not be used for driving all the time like a regular car, but only for parades or shows. • Mr. Bergman asked i£ the requirement for a Special Use Permit wasn�t relative to the size of the second accessory building� and Mr. Boardman answered over 21t0 feet. Mr. Aax'ris pointed out that Mr. Klucsar xas proposing a7most double that. Planning Co�mnission Meeting - July 1Lt, 197b P�e 6 �j E • Mr. Langenfeld said he c+ould like to ask if Mr. Klucsar worked on these Model "A"s and just kept them up as a hobby, and Mr. Klucsar said that fixing a flat tire or polishing them was about the extent of the work he did on them, He added that they did not require much xork as they were in good shape. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a lot o£ traffic (people or businesses) comi.ng on the premises to look at the automobiles. Mr. Klucsar replied there were not� and said he took the cars to shows like at Apache or Har Mar, but people did not come on his premises to see them. Mr. Peterson said he wondered if A4r. Klucsar understood the stipulations Mr. Boardman had mentioned� and pointed out that one was that it wouldn't be a home business. Mr. Klucsar said he thought he understood them and would £ollor* any rules he had to. He stated this xas not a business, and explained he was retiring from his job and did not �rant to be the richest man in the cemetary but xanted to have a little ftm before he got there. Chairperson Harris asked if it would be agreeable that the stucture be compatible with the existing structure, and Mr. Klucsar replied that the outside would be just as nice as his house. He explained that he had too much invested in his house to make it be worth less money or have the neighbors get mad at him. He added that around the corner from his house there was another dwelling that had another two-car garage in the back� and it looked very neat. He stated he felt this would look better than having his txo cars covered with a tarp� and he wanted to keep his neighborhood looking nice. Mr. Harris said he meant • would the outside Yinish o£ the garage be compatible xith the house and existing structure, and Mr. Klucsar replied it zrould have the same siding as his house and would look as if it were originally built at the same time. Mr. Langenfeld noted that Mr. Klucsar xished to have this double garage for the storage of trro Model "A"s� and asked if it would always be used for that. Mr. Klucsar explained that he did have other vintage cars so he might take one of the Model "A"s out and put his 1938 Buick in� but as long as he lived that vas all it Would be used for. He further explained he ormed other property xhere his other automobiles were stored. Ae stated that after he was gone the nex owners could probably use an eztra garage as one garage really wasn�t enough for a house that has five bedrooms. Mr. Langenfeld said that xhat he was trying to get at was that m�ybe by definition it wuld be nothing but a storage building. Chairperson Harris said it was a second accessory building in excess oP 2lt0 square feet, rrhether it was a garage or a storage building� so it did require a Special Use PexTait. MO'PION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on the request for a Special Use Permit, SP /j76-10, by Youva Klucsar. Upon a voice vote, all wti.ng sye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Heari.ng closed at 8:17 P.M. MOTIOn by Langenfeld, secnnded by �iergnan, that the Planning Commission recortunend to the City Council approval o£ the request Yor a Special Use Permit, • SP /�7b-10, by Youva Klucsar, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.052, 2, A, to allow the construction of a second accessory building, a detached double gararge £or storage of two Model "A" automobiles� on I,ot 20� ttlock 1�� Moore I,ake Hills Addition� the same being 133/ Hillcrest Drive� N.E.� with the Planning Coimnission Meeting - July 14� 197b Page 7 S B follorring stipulations: 1) The garage cannot and xill not be used for home • occupation, and 2) It must meet all setback code requirements and cannot be set any closer to the front yard than the neighboring house to the West. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimoualy. C� 3. SAV and r:ly Street n.E. :�_ To vacate the unimproved g between l.iberty Street Mr, Boardman explained tnat a peticion had been received requesting vacatiion of the 12' unimproved dirt alley. He said that the people who signed the petition tirere noted with an asterisk on the mailing list on page tS4� and noted that 14 out oY 23 families nad signed it. He said the alleq was being used by mini-bikes and dirt bikes, so it xas requsted that it be closed. Mr. tioardman said tnat the City did have a drainage and utility easement down there� so if the alley vas vacated the easements would have to be retained. He explained that people both for and against the vacation were present, and Chairperson Harris suggested hearing the pro side first. Mr. Charles Sprafka o£ 280 Ely Street N.E. stated that he xould like to explain the logic o£ vhy they xere proposing the alley be vacated. He said the first question to ask xas, is it necessary to keep the alley open? He stated that in trying to arrine at xhether it should be keQt open or not� the follorring facts should be considered: 1. The alley is not maintained in the xinter and is not plowed. If it Was necessary to have an alley, the City would maintain it. 2, In terms o£ fire safety, there are fire hydrants on the street on both sides. 3, It is not necessary £or any of the 23 residents to have such an alley to allow them to get into their garages or drivexays� as i.n all instances the homes have access from the street. One home does have access from the alley� but also has access from the street. For these reasons, Mr. Sprafka stated, he believed it was not absolutely necessary to have this alley open. He said if this premise was correct� then he believed it was important to ask xhat the will of the majority xas of the 23 residences along the alley. He stated that to his best information at this time, there were 14 names submitted, which uere the majoriiy. He added that he believed two peoFle had asked tis have their names removed from the list, which still left 12 names out o£ 23. Mr. Sprafka pointed out that this was not to sqy the remaining 11 r+ere all opposed� as txo or three might be in question. Mr. Sprafka said he believed the democratic principle should be to follow the will of the majority. Ae continued that most o£ the arguments that would be • heard at this meeting would be for or against the alley Yor different reasons as it would provide a convenience £or some citizens and an inconvenience for others. He stated that it should be the decision of the Planning Commission . n � . Planning Cotmnission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 8 to decide xhat the majority of the people xant� and they srere ralling to abide by the rrill of the majority of the people. Hrs. (iabel said she understood his points, but noted that he hadn't stated any reasons £or wanting the alley closed. Mr. Sprafka said that it presented a safety hazard £or the children of the neighborhood as there xere bushes perhaps three feet high, and there was an unnecessary risk that a child could be hurt by a mini-bike or automobile dri�ing through the alley. He also pointed out that it was a dirt road and therefore very dnsty and dirty� and there were a lot of weeds gro*.ring there that the City of Fridley does not maintain or try to control. He added that there were a number of motorbikes from other parts of the City that ride through the alley also. He said to sum it up, it was unsightly and dirty� it was a safety hazard, and the housekeeping by the City of FY�idley has not been adequate. Afr. Langenfeld asked what the eactent o£ use xas of this alley right now other than mini-bikes. Mr. Sprafka said there vas one family that used it to any great extent right now, He added that perhaps an automobile would go through the alley tvo or three times a day, maybe more; but the vast majority o£ use came from one family. , 5C Mr. Langenfeld said Mr, Sprafka had mentioned dust, and asked him how he would feel if the alley would be paved and became a regular thoroughfare. Mr. Sprafka said he xould be opposed to it because the risk factor crould be increased. He said that in terms of maintenance he was not asking that it be paved, but that some of the holes be £illed in and the xeeds cut. Mr. Langen£eld asked i£ this xas vacated trhat most of Mr. Sprafka's group planned to do xith that additional footage. Mr. Sprafka said that �rould vary, and asked if it was necessary to have an access for utility vehicles. Mr. Hoardman said that in vacated alleys fences could be put up to the center line of the alley; hoWever, if a utility company comes in and tears down the Yence it is not their responsibility. Mr. Sprafka said that if the alley xas turned back to the property owners his oxn personal preYerence Would be to sod it or perhaps plant hedges or trees. Mr. Langenfeld asked if these were any plans for gardens and thi.ngs of that nature, and Mr. Sprafka said he lmew of no such interest. Mr. Langeni'eld said he would like to make it clear to the people in the audience that the Planning Couunission is merely a recamnending body to the City Council. Chairperson Aarris added that it was the first step in the process. Mr. Peterson asked if the mini-bikes that were rei'erred to were used primarily by people in the neighborhood� and hox frequent the use was; and also ii there vere people Yrom other areas using the alley for:this purpose and i£ so, why were they coming to this neighborhood to ride. Mr. SpraYka said that the people who rode through on motorbikes� to the best of his lmoxledge� were mostly from the neighborhood. He said he did not lmow for a fact that people were coming from other parts of the city, but that coimnent had been relayed to him. He stated that the frequency of use of the alley by the mini-bikes varied, and it seemed to run in streaks and be sporadic. Mrs. Shea asked i£ they had snowmobiles using the alley in the winter, and Mr, Sprafka replied they did and that was a problem also. He stated that two years ago several snowmobiles tiriped out 20% of his bushes. He added that the driving back and forth o£ mini-bikes or snowmobiles i.n itself wasn't all that significant, Planning Corrmiission Meeting - July 1l�, 1976 Page 9 5 D but it was a matter of multiple problems. Mr. Sprafka stated that he thought � oPten the convenience for one family is the inconnenience for another £amily� and said he felt Lhe will of the majority vas very important, Mr. Langenfeld asked how many children were involved in this block� and Mr,- Sprafka replied that it was a very fertile neighborhood. He said there vere a lot of children within the 23 residences, and also many on adjacent streets. He added that at axy given time there would be perhaps fifteen to twenty children pl�ying up and down the alley. He said that the number of children £rom all the homes would be substantially greater than that. Mrs. Gabel asked if in terms of mini-bikes and snowmobiles they were talking about noise pollution, and if the noise factor was s3gni£icant. Mr. Sprafka replied that Was not a big concern to him; but his objection was when a mini- bike or snowmobile ran over the hedge, plus the additional risk factor. He s�ated he felt it was an unnecessary risk and a child could be hurt. Mr. Bergman said that since there were so many people in the audience and with the suggestion that there is a close vote� he thought it would be xise at this time to clarify for everyane some of the affects of the options involned. He suggested there were three options: 1, Leave the alley designation as is. 2. Continue the obvious intent o£ the a11ey plan� which would be to improve the alley. � 3. Vacate the alley designation, Mr, Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he could clarif� some of the elements in these three; such as in each case, who is responsible for the condition and the maintenance; in the case of vacation, to whom does the property go and does this affect ta�ces; in case of improvement, is there an assessment, etc. Mr. Boardman stated that if the alley xas vacated for the entire length, half of the property of the alley �rould revert to each of the property owners along the alley and maintenance o£ the alley would also revert to the property oxners. He said that they might have some slight increase in taxes due to the increase in property acquired. Mr. Boardman said that if the alley was kept the v�y it is, the City of Fridley would not maintain it because the City does not maintain� per se� alleys that are unimproved, He said the weeds xould be cut occasionally� perhaps once a summer. Mr. Boardman stated that if the alley remained and was petitioned to make that a permanent alley with blacktopping� then the city xould do the snowplowi.ng on that a11ey. He said in this case there would be an assess- ment. Mr. Boardman said another option xould be to make it a dead-end alley, in which case the City could not maintain it because a sno�plox could not turn around in there. He said the maintenance would renert to the property owners who vould benefit £rom that alley. He said that another possible way around this if there rras a lot of objectionable traf£ic would be to put a gate on each end of the alley and provide all of the property owners with a key to the gate, � Mr. Azad Mesrobian, 29� Ely Street, stated that a 12' width had been referred to, and he did not believe the alley to be that wide. He said a truck could not get through there. Afr. Boardman said the City does have a 12' right-oY'-xay in there� but there might be some Yences encroaching on the right-of-way. Planning Commission Meeting - July 14, 197b Page lo ;5 E Mr. William Sicora, 201 Liberty Street r.E.� stated that he xas at the East end • of the alley and that area vas a turn-around place for the snovmobiles and m:i.ni- bikes coming doxn the alley. He said he personally had a tree destroyed on his property by one of these bikes turning around, He added that grass doesn't grow very well there and it is more or less being used Por a race track. Mr. Sicora stated that he £elt an alley� so designated� should be used Yor access to garages, but all the entrances to garages were from the front. He explained that occasionally someone might want to park a vehicle or a boat in their back yard� but that vould be a rare occasion. He stated there rras no logical reason for a permenent alley there because of the set up oF the garages facing the street. Chairperson Harris told the audience tnat anyone who wished to would be welcome to look at a plat of the area to Yamiliarize themselves xith the area. Mrs. Shea asked ii the alley across the street uas vacated� and Mr. Harris replied that according to the plat map there xere no alleys in that area that were vacated. Mr. Boardman said there were some nox� the one by Hachi.ne� Inc. and one in t3lock 3• Mr. Sicora stated that ir Lne alley were vacated he vould maintain the extra Yootage and sod it� and he xas sure tne neighbors xould do the same. He added that the dust made everything dirty, and he didn't think the alley was necessary. Rev. Rodney Sandmon� 23� E1y Street� said he had just purchased the empty lot that is there� and his feelings xere kind of in between. He asked if there was any kind of ordinance saying that if there was one garage door facing an alley, • that alley must remain open. Mr. Boardman said that to the best of his ]mosrledge there xasn't, but they would take that into consideration. Rev. Sandmon stated that he happened to have a garage door facing the alley. Mr. I.angenfeld asked if it xould be permissable,.to partially vacate the alley, and Chairperson Harris said it would depend on where the lot was. He determined Eev. Sandmon's property xas lots 33 & 34� towards the center o£ the bloek. Chairperson Harris asked Hev. Sandmon if he was neither £or or agai.nst the vacation� and he replied that looking at both sides o£ it he could see there was a problem. He stated that most people in the neighborhood had small children� and they could get hit by a mini-bike or snoxmobile, However, he continued� they could also get run over in the street� and that is where most of them were. Rev. Sandmon stated that he had a detached garage and could get black dirt through the alley or through his front yard� but the people next door could not. He said they had a beautiful yard with a lot o£ shrubs, and if the alley was vacated they could not get black dirt through their yard, but would have to carry it by shovel from the front to tne back. Mr. Clarence Godlewski� 228 F1y Street N,E.� stated that the mini-bikes did come from across East Hiver Road and xent betxeen 30 and 50 mph down the alley, and that should be against the law. He said i£ one child went out there, everyone was going to be sorry. Mr. Godlexski stated that they had been taking care of the alley for the City, cutting the grass and keeping the weeds from coming in the yards. He continued that in the rrinter the snoy+mobiles weren�t too bad; but • i£ everyone could get in through the front� rrhy have an alley in the £irst place. Mr, Duane Motzko� 290 Ely Street N.E.� sai.d that his main concern was each year the property taxes went up and the value of their property went up, but this alley was a very unsightly thi.ng. He stated he felt it wasn't necessary, and Planning Conunission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 11 5F � ; if he had to haul dirt in he would bring it through his front yard. He added • that his yard was fenced in and if the alley was vacated he xould not move the fence back, but he would plant some trees and sod it in. He said he didn't feel they could just say the}r were going to vacate the alley and let it go at that. He stated he looked out his windox and sav these mini-bikes coming through and kicking up dust, and he also wondered if a youngster got hurt on that property r+ho xas liable. • • Mr. Peterson suggested that i£ there were people in the audience who wished to speak against the vacation� that they be heard also. Chairperson Harris e�cplained that they rrould hear the pros and cons one at a time so there xouldn't be a verbal bravl. Mr. Peterson said he xould like to respectfully submit it was the Chair's prerogative to keep the crowd in order� but in fairness to the Commissioners they should hear the arguments against the vacating so they had something to compare to. He stated he objected to hearing a11 of one side at one time. Mr. Harris said he could guarantee they would hear both sides� but as long as it xas the Chairman's prerogative, they would take the pros first. Rev. Sandmon said he wanted to state his feelings were in between, but if having the door in back of the garage xould stop the vacating o£ the alley, and if he F*ould be the main cause of it, he could overlook that door. He explained he had an eighteen foot door in front and a nine foot door in back� so it really didn't make any dif£erence to him. Chairperson Harris said they would now hear those people who crished to speak against the vacation. Mr. Marvin Hietala� 239 Liberty Street, N.E.� stated he had about twenty signatures of people who did not want the alley vacated, but some of them had changed their minds and signed the other petition. He said the first concern rrould be the people in the middle of the block who did not have access to their back yards through the front, and felt they needed the alley. He said that assuming they do have an access, they didn't want big trucks on their driveways delivering dirt� etc, He added that he felt it would reduce the value of the properties. Mr. Hietala stated that as far as the safety factor was concerned, he didn't think the street was any safer than the alley. He said some garbage trucks quit using the alley and they had garbage piled in the front street. He felt i£ the alley was open to utility vehicles it should also be open to the residents. He stated iY it was chained it would become a dumping area� and garbage trucks would not pick up; i£ gates were put in� people would have to stop in the middle of the street xith their boats and campers� and that would be dangerous. Mr. Hietala stated that they felt if there was one person who needed the alley� that person should not be discriminated against. He explained that people needed the alley for storage of boats or campers� and the whole area xas designed with an alley in mind because o£ the small lots. He told the Coimnission that they just had a playground pei,itioned in, so the alley should not be a playground, He said that some people had been asked to sign the petition for vacation even ii' they didn't care or not� and he felt if people didn�t care they shouldn�t be asked to sign it anyway. He stated there were other reasons� but this was part of them. Chairperson Harris asked if he had a list oP the opposers� and Mr. Hietala replied he did. He said the list had been £ormed in the last day or two. Planning Commission Meeting - July 1�, 197b Page 12 5G Chairperson Harris brought to Mr. Hietala's attention the list of people who � had signed the original petition for vacation. Mr, Hietala said that the Bartyllas had moved out� but Mr. Boardman explained they were still the fee owners. Mr. Hietala said that there were three names on that list rrho had chartged their minds. Mr. Hietala said that certain people on the block had been using the alley £or thirty years� and that should be good enough. He added that he� himsel£� used it seneral times a year. He stated that he had talked to Councilman Fitzpatrick� and he had said that if one person opposes this, it shouldn't go through. He added that Councilman Fitzpatrick had said he lrnew o£ no case where an alley had been vacated if there is opposition. Mr. Hietala said he hadn't seen that many snowmobiles or mini-bikes, and on most days you could pitch a tent in the alley and not see anyone for a fesr hours. Mrs. Shea asked what the tiridth of the lots were� and Mr. Harris replied they were 30� lots, and most people ovned two, He added that there was one lot, which appeared to be lot 20� that was alone. Mr. Langen£eld said that in looking over the nesrly submitted list� he found three naznes that xere also on the original petition for vacation--Hentges� Zukoxski and Poehler. He asked i£ the people who purchased these lots vere aware of the uni.mproved alley at the time of purchase� and Mr. Hietala stated that xas one o£ the reasons he bought the house--so he could get in the back yard from the alley. • Judy Zukowski, 21�9 Liberty Street N.E., stated that she had signed both petitions. She explained that the first time she didn't really care if the alley Was open or closed as it Kasn't a problem for her. She stated they had lived in the neighborhood seven� going on eight years� and when they moved in her children xere ages 3, 2 and 1. She said that noW they were 10, 9 and 7, so she had gone through the small toddler stage. She told the Coimnission she didn't really care that much� personalJy� irhether the alley was open or closed� but since that time she had talked to many of her neighbors xho t.rould choose to be able to put things in their back yards or build patios at some time in the fliture and be able to use it for other purposes. She stated that she found the traffic vas hardly a�ything at all compared to vhen she £irst moved in. Another thing, she said� uas that a park had been petitioned in and if these children are so small that they can�t play safely in the alley, then they have no business being there. Mrs. Zukoxski stated that their lot was one of the srider ones (90'), but because of the xay their garage was located they had only seven or eight feet beside the garage and house, and it would be much easier to open up the back to haul in cement� etc. She stated that some of the people in fanor of leaving the alley the xay it is have lived there almost thirty years, while most o£ the ones that xere compla9ning are the ones that have moved in recently. She added that these people Imew the alley rras there and no one forced it on them, Mr, Bryan xohl� 22Q Ely Street rv.E., said he bought his house last fall and his garage vas built so close to the house he couldn�t park both of his cars there. He stated he planned on moving his garage back about eight £eet, and the only • w�y to get concrete in xould be to use the alley. He said he had two trailers nhich he kept behind his garage, and i£ the alley xas closed he vould have to Planning Colmnission Meeting - July 11a� 1976 Page 13 5 H -----_ r pull tnem through his i'ront yard. Mr. Kohl said that some people had made state- ments that it was a safety hazara, but these same people are the ones whose . kids played in the street and almost get hit. He added that his c� year old son rides his bike in the alley sometimes, but mostly in the street, Mr. Kohl suggested running something across the center of the alley to stop through traffic but still allow people who nad access through the oack to use it. He stated that some people had already put rocks in the alley, and he had to drive on the grass to avoid tearing up the underside oT�his car. Mr. Langeni'eld said that this seemed to be quite a large block, and asked if the alley xas closed if it would hinder fire fighting. Mr, Kohl said he didn't Yeel it would, and added that Mr. Brustad had a Fire not long ago and the i'ire trucks came dovn the street. Mrs. Noreen Poehler, 229 Liberty Street N.E., sai.d that after signing the petition Yor vacation had changed her mind and vould like to get her name of£ of that list and put on the second. She said the reason she changed her mind was because rihen they first talked about it� the main thing was Lhe factor o2' the children getting hurt� and nobody wants to see somebody�s child get hurt. Ho�ever, she didn�t think about the possibility that they might need the alley. Afterwards� she sai.d, she got to thinking that they had recently had some black dirt hauled in to their garden, ana the only way in is through the alley. She said that was just one xay they xould use it. Mrs. Poehler said that as far as the children getting hurt, no one wants to see that� but they did have a playground one block away and there were the yards to piay in. She stated there were a feW mini-bikes, and her son had one, but he only rode it occasionally. • She continued that the traffic xas much less than it used to be a few years ago; and she wanted to bring out the point that if it Was paved she thought it Kould bring in more traf£ic as it would be a nicer place to drive through, and none of them wanted that. She said she just wanted to mention that the alley was used, not a lot by anyone, but it rrould be nice to have it open £or when they did want to use it. Mrs. Zukoxski said she xould also like to £ormally remove her name from the original petition. Mr. Donald Hof£, 215 Liberty Street N.E., stated that he had a small trailer that he used occasionaaly� so he xould like to see the alley left open. He added that his garbage man also used it� and if it were closed the cans would have to be hauled to the street. He further added that as far as safety was concerned� he didn�t feel there were that many children using it. Chairperson Harris asked if he found mini-bikes or snowmobiles a problem, and Mr. Hoff replied he did not. Mr. Peterson asked i£ he kept his garbage cans in the garage� and Mr. Hoff replied he kept them in the back o£ his lot. Mr. Francis Poehler, 229 Liberty Street N.E.� stated that his son had a mini-bike and when spring came he used it a fex times but has now lost interest in it. He said that he had never seen anybody doing excessive speeds in the alley, and thought there xas more of a problem in the streets, Mr. Poehler said that a couple of people had stated they Would like to put sod and trees in • that area� and the txo people who said that live on each end of the alley. He added that he didn�t use the alley that much� but would like it open so Planning Cotmnission Heeting - July 1l�� 1976 Page iu 5 I he could use it i£ he wanted to. • Mr. Howard Walters, 262 Ely Street N.�:., stated he had lived there for almost thirty years. He sai.d he had two boys who had cars and he had told them not to come down the alley like it was a race track. He said he felt the people were objecting because he used it. He stated he felt that if the utility companies could use the alley and other people could use it, he xanted to use it� too. He added that his son had a mini-bike and uses the alley. Mr. Walters said he would like to see the alley stay the same so maybe the taxes would st�y the same. Mrs. Shea asked i£ this request had come up before� and Mr. Walters said it came up several years ago by a fex neighbors xho xanted to put up a£ence at that time. He said he xas asked about it and really objected� and he thought the matter xas dropped and nothing further xas done about it. Chairperson Harris asked one person from each side to siumnarize the £eelings of his or her group. Mr. Charles Sprafka stated that their intentions were good, and their main concern was for their children. He said he had a small child that he tried to xatch closely� but sometimes the child xould wander into the alley. He stated they £elt it was in the best interest of the children to avoid a possible accident and nacate the alley. • Mrs. Marvin Hietala, 239 Liberty N.E., said she felt they had a legal right to this access. She stated that if even one person had this right, she dicin't think it should be taken away. Mr. Bergman asked if anyone had an existing garage that faced the alley, and the answer was no. He then asked if anyone would want the alley finished, along with the assessment £or same� and one gentlemen said that if the alley couldn�t be vacated he would just as soon see it improved. Chairperson Harris ezplained this xas just a hypothetical question at tnis time, and in order £or that to happen there would have to be a hearing before the City Council and it would be their decision whether to improve or not improve the alley. He £urther ezplained the Planning Cotmnission could possibly recommend that type o£ action in their motion, but that would be a separate action. Mr. Bergman stated he had looked at the so-called second petition against the vacation of the alley, and his impression xas that those xere apparently valid, individual signatures. He asked Mr. Boardman if he had £amiliarity with the original petition £avoring the vacation o£ the alley and i1' those were valid signatures also. Mr, Boardman said that the signatures could be found on page 83. He noted that two of those people had £ormal�y requested their names dropped off� and a third (Marge Hentges} had signed both petitions and was not in the audience. Chairperson Harris said her name should then be dropped i'rom both petitions. • MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission receive the petition in i'avor of the vacation of the alley. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. . Planning Coimnission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 15 MOTIOd by Bergman, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Cormnission receive the petition against the vacation o£ the alley. Mr. Langenfeld asked what the exact number of names were on the second petition. Mr. Boardman said that maving Mrs. Poehler�s name to this one� there wouZd be 21 signatures, or 20 xithout Marge Hentges. He eacplained that on the £irst petition (in favor of vacation)� excluding the names of rvoreen Poehler and Judy Zukoxski (Hho asked their names be dropped) and Marge Hentges (who had signed both but xas not in the audience) there were also 20 names, At this point several people in the audience asked to have their names removed from one list and added to another. Mr. Bergman said he would like to elarify his motion. He stated that the oYficial� documented requests were part of his motion� irith no other changes. Chairperson Harris said those people who wished to add their names to these petitions should write a note and give it io the secretaries in the office tomorrow� and it would be submitted to the Council with the petition. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting �ye, the motion carried unanimously. 5J MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by tiergman, that the Planning Cort¢nission recoimrtend to the City Council denial of the request for vacation, SAV #76-04, by Karen Mesrobian, to vacate the unimproved alley in iilock 11, Spring Brook Park Addition� 7.ying between Liberty 5treet and Ely Street N.E. • Mr, Langenfeld said that before he xent at�y flu�ther he srished to point out that this is a difficult thing to do with the situation they had here. He said that xithout question� safety was important to bear in mind� and the matter of majority rules was also very important. He said he wished to deny this vacation for the following reasons: 1. There appears to be uncertainty as to where the neighbors really arish to go, as there is approximately a tie situation. 2, The purchaser, or renter, was aware of the unimproved alley and the problems that could exist. 3. Safety is a problem no matter xhich way the vote xould go. In other words, those that xere in the alley would go in the street, etc. !�. As to the ruling as far as one person wishing to keep this alley open� Mr. Langenfeld said he would like to see that veri£ied. 5. Mr. Langenfeld said he would Iike to see the Co�mnission recommend as a separate action the possibility of improving the alley so there would be no question as to its usage. Mr. Bergman said he would like to conment that he seconded the motion with tne lalowledge that there vas sizable opposition to the request to vacate the alley. • Mrs. Gabel said that xith reference to improeing the alley� she didn�t think it had been determined that the people want the alley to be improved. Planni.ng Comnission Meeting - July 1l�, 1976 Page lb 5 K. ---- Chairperson Harris stated that it appeared that status quo xith the alley from • the testimony they had received was not a desirable Yactor� and that something had to happen rrith either impronement or traffic control. He said that it seemed to him that the Police Department xas reluctant to patrol an unimproved right-of-way. Mr. Harris said that the area vas almost built to its maximum, so the situation that has existed since 1948, in his opinion, could not contimie any longer. He said that either they were going to have an alley or they were not� but if they were going to hane an alley it should be improved. Mr. LangenYeld said that he would like to indicate that those who may object to the outcome of this particular motion had the right to appeal to the City Council. Chairperson Harris agreed and told the audience that their actions were not £inal� and the City Council vould have Yina1 action on this. Mrs, uabel stated that there had been a statement made earlier that if there was one person against it, an alley xouldn't be vacated, and she ]mew that wasn't true from personal experience. She said she wanted to state that so some of the people wouldn't become discouraged. UPON A RALL CALL VOTE� Bergman� Langeni'eld and Harris voted �ve; Peterson, Gabel and Shea voted nay. The vote being 3-3� it was a tie vote. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission send this on to the City Council with no recotmnendation. lipon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. . Cnairperson Harris said that this xould go on to the City Council i'or their deliberation, and the Public Hearing would be set for August 9, 19/0. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 10:10 and reconnened the meeting at 10:35 P.M. �A, FRIDLEY E1vVIHUNMENTAL QUALITY (:OMMISSION SCOPE Mr, uoardman saia that the reason ne brought this up vas that in reading through the minutes oY the IIivironmental Quazity Commission it seemed to him that they were floundering for what their responsibilities are and What they should be looking at. He stated that the whole point of the reorganization was to take the load off the Commissions as far as the d� to day activity Work� and get more into developing standards� goals� or guidelines xhich xould direct the City Sta£f to carry the main load of those procedures. He said it seemed to him that the Environmental Con¢nission was trying to take on some o£ that load by itself with their suggestion o£ reviewing permits and reviewing home occupations. Mr. Boardman said if the Fhvironmental Commission wanted to get into this type of thing, it should be making recommendations on procedures to follow so that the City Sta££ would follox that order and be doing the actual inspections and permit processing. • Chairperson Harris said that as he read the minutes he got the gist that xhen they were talking about home occupations they were looking at the ordi.nance and not the day to day activity work. Mr. Langenfeld said they had looked at the Planning Commission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 17 6 P ordinance and then the discussion snowballed a little, and thsi they talked • about certain people violating home occupation but if it didn't bother anybody else, leave it alone, etc. t�fx�, Hoardman said that on page 4 of the Fhvironmental Commission minutes it stated "...the �vironmental Commission or some other coimnission should review these applications a.ndividually to determine what is mi.ning in the City of Fridley". Ae said that on page 5 it said "He also £elt these occupations should be handled individually and a permit process should go through some coimnission or public hearing oY some kind other than having the 2oning Admin- istrator have sole responsibility°. Mr. Hoardman said they xere trying to get rid of the load on the Commissions as to the permit process, and this vas the xhole purpose of the reorganization� along with putting the Commissions more into developing policies so that the City Staff could follow. He stated that he had noticed this in other Coimnissions also� where it seemed they xanted to get into the actual permit process. Mr. Harris pointed out that it was a Staff person who had made the statement on page 5 that Mr. Boardman had referred to. Mr, Peterson pointed out that on page 6, Brother Sullivan had stated that the Coimnission should make lmown to the Planning Coimnission that the F�vironmental Coimoission intends to make recommendations or revisions on Chapter 212-Mining Sand and Uravel. Mr. Peterson said that was basically what they were asked to do. • Mr. Boardman said that in not only looking at these minutes� but minutes from before� alao� there was in some cases some feeling that they were not sure o£ the direction they were supposed to go with this thing. Mr. Boardman again stated that the whole purpose o£ the reorganization was to take the day to day activity load of£ oi' the Cormnissions and get thera into policy development to give Staff direction. ASr. Langenfeld said there xas one thing Mr. Boardman m�V not have caught on the mining disnussion, and sai.d they just merely wsnted to have the permits shorm to the Commission while there was this state of limbo� and that they ought to get an ordinance. Mr. Boardman said then the problem would be Srhat they were going to do with them. Mr. Langenfeld asked if he would have been better o££ merely saying something to the effect that this ordinance isn�t very good and recommend a complete re-wording. Mr. Boardman said that the Ehvironm��al Coimnission had been somewiiat misdirected by Staff as £ar as what the UBC 70 was. He stated that it was strictly a building code and grading that goes along xith bui3:ding, He said that mi.ning and excavating xas completely different--the purpose there xas to pull materials out of the ground for selling. Chairperson Harris said that while they uere discussing 212 and Chapter %0, he felt there was more to mining than just sand and gravel, and that was where they had the hble in the ordinance. Mr. Boardman suggested calling it a Land • Alteration Permit� and said there should be some type of a permit process so they couldn't cut doWn trees and other things related to land alteration without some type o£ a review or permit process. planning Coimnission Meeting - July 11�, 1976 Page 18 6_Q Mr. Langenfeld asked if they should then st�y away Yrom the wording of the • ordinance but merely recommend that certain points be included. Mr. 13oaz'dman said tney just wanted some direction. He said that if F�vironmental wanted some controls over the alteration of grosrth or dirt on property, give StaPf direction on that and they would write up a code. He added they should include fill and any type of land alteration. Mr, Peterson asked if when he was talking about land alteration Mr. Boardman was talking about some home owner who decides to cut down a couple of trees and put in some sod. Mr. Boardman said he vas talking mainly about earth moving other than excavation for a home or structure� possibly even grading £or a parking lot that is not connected to a building. Chairperson Harris said he was concerned about the 120 acres of black dirt or peat up North of 79th Street� between IIniversity and the railroad tracks, that is being indiscrimi.nately dug out and le£t. Mrs. Gabel asked if there xould be provisions for restoration of the land, and Mr. Boardman said that was the whole idea. He said they were looking £or something stronger than a$50 bond. He stated that these people were operating without a permit� and there were £our separate operations going on up there. He said he personally felt they should be shut down until they could go through the permit process on the thing. Ae added that Mr. Olson had inspected and allowed them to continue operation until such time as a meeting is set up with all dirt-digging operations in order to start this permit process. Mr. Haz'ris • said he £elt they should be shut down until they got some sort of an agreement that they would grade o£f what is left there. Mr, Langenield sai.d that on page 6 of the Ehvironmental Quality Coirunission's mi.nutes they eould notice the coimnent made by Brother Sullivan� and pointed out the statement made by Lee Ann Sporre which indicated they xere starting to go in the right direction. He then asked Mr. Boardman if they xere supposed to go into the actual wording o£ the oxdinance or not. He said he felt that one ordinance was really bad� and they could sit up all night going over that� so there was a problem. Mr. Boardman said that he thought it looked like it was time for the City Staff to sit down and do up something they felt would be necessary on it, and then bring it back to the IIzvironmental Coimnission. He said he thought at this time they should see if they should shut down those operations to make sure that more rape of the land does not occur. Mr. Langenfeld said that as the Chai.rman of the Fridley Environmental Quality Coimnission he would like to s�tate that the City of F'ridley should definitely try to use whatever means to put a halt to the destruction of current soil conditions and make sure it is restored to original order. Chairperson Harris suggested issuing a permit to these operations for a specific amount o£ time (30 - 60 - 90 days), frith the stipulation on the permit that at the time the new ordinance comes into e£fect the old permit is then expired and they must reapply under the new ordinance. He suggested Mr. Boardman talk . to Mr. Herrick on this to make sure that they were on solid ground� and said he just lmew from past experience that they rrere going to wind up in court With at least one of tho� operations. Planning Commission Meeting - July 14� 1976 Page 19 � R Mr. Lsngenfeld asked ii they could drop this topic and wait for an ordinance • to be drawn up, and then review it. Mr. 13oardman said he thought Mr, Olson had delayed a meeting with the dirt diggers to bring this to the Ehvironmental Coimnission to Yind ont what direction should be taken on it. He said he would talk to some people tomorrow to see if they couldn�t shut down the operation isrunediately and start working on an ordinance to bring before the l�hvironmental Co�mnission as soon as possible. Mr. Boardman said that as far as his concern as to the extent a Commission gets into the d�y to day activities, in all cases he would Iike to see that removed from the responsibilities of the Commissions and carried on by the City Staff. He stated that the Commissions had other things to do besides look at individual permit procedures, RECEIVE HUMAta RFSOURCES COl�ffSSION MINUTES: JULY 1, 297b Mrs. Shea stated she hadn't been at this meeting� bui could give a little background on the one motion. She explained that in June Staff had asked the Human Resources Cocmnission if they were budgeted with some money, what their priorities would be. She stated this would be an alternative to the way it vas handled last year when individual groups requested funding; the Fine Arts Co�nittee, for example. She said that they sat down and tried to work out a budget with the $10,000 figure that was given to them. • Mr. Peterson asked if Mrs. Shea vas avare of' the fact that the Parks anci Hecrestion Commission put the Senior Citizens in their budget, and said that would be a duplication. Mrs. Shea ansxered that she was aware of that, but didn�t think the other members o£ the Co�ission were. She said she thought one of the reasons it was includea xas because last year they had printed the Senior Citizens Bulletin� an4 that had come to about $1y0. She saic3 perhaps the Co7mnission thought iY tne Senior Citizens came to them again and asked Yor this type of service� they would be able to provide it. Mr. Peterson stated he tnought it was mostly a dup7.ication of what Parks and xecreation put into their budget, and Mrs. Shea said tnat was quite possible. Mr. doardman said that tnere might he some duplication under Youtn Center, also. He stated that although Parxs and Hecreation did not budget 2or a Teen Activity Center� the City Council at their lasi meeting did put it under the auspices 02' Parks and liecreation� and there will be funding £or a StaYY person to �e at that center. Mr. LangenYeld asxed iY' this taas an aruival budget,and Mrs. Shea repliea it was. Mr. Langenfeld said he was not trying co be argumentative� but it seemed like the reserve for contingency xas a bit excessive. Mrs. Shea said she had a feeling they didn�t know what to do xith it. She stated that social services wasn�t very vell explai.ned� but the City did get a request from Coon Hapids l�'amily Services asking for considerably more than this. • Mr. Bergman said he got the feeling that if the question were asked� "Hox much do you need� and xhat for?", he had the impression the answer would come out differently. Mrs. Shea replied she really didn�t lmor. She explained the Human Resources Commi.ssion xas walking in the dark, and there was nothing £or them to get a handle on in their Commission. Planning Conunission Meeting - July lk, 1976 Page 20 6 S Mr. Peterson said he had Yought the budget battle for a number of years� and • asked if the City Manager all o£ a sudden had decided to spread money ail over the city to be spent. He said that Mrs. Shea's statement of a Sta££ reco7mnendation puzzled him a bit. Mrs. Shea said she thought the idea was that last year they had sat up there and listened to these little requests� and this was so they wouldn�t have to go throu�h that. Mr. Boardman said that he thought there had been close to $10�000 requested from different organizations, so the Human Resources Commission had been asked i£ they had $10�000� what their priorities would be for spending. He stated that xas his interpretation, and added that they rrere saying they had spent this amount of money last year and rrere wondering if there xas something they had missed. Chairperson Harris stated tnat he wasn't so sure that the w�y it was handled last year might not be the best way. Mrs. Gabel asked Mrs. Shea if they were given $10�000 as a budget, would they have total control over it or rould it go through the process of the City Council still having the final say over what was done with it. Mrs. Shea answered that this would go into the actual budget� and maybe they rrould only allox $2�000� so they might take the top txo priorities. Mr. Peterson said that according to City procedure, i£ Council granted them a budget o£ $10�000� they could then spend it for anything they wanted. He stated the Human Hesources Cormnission wouldn't even have to £ol2aw their budget. Mrs. Shea interjected that this wasn't their budget, but the city�s budget. Mr. Peterson said that once the City adopts the budget� for whatever dollars it is� then that amount of money could be spent by that particular Commission and not necessarily even £or the items they budgeted for. • Mrs. Shea stated that this was not a Human Resources budget, but Kas out o£ the general fund and would not be listed as Human Hesources. Mrs. Gabel asked Mr. Peterson when his Commission was given R number of dollars, did they control di sb�sements. Mrs. Peterson answered yes and no. He said if the Parks and Recreation Co�nission had been taudgeted $$00,000� the control and the way that money is spent is about 96� City Msnager and Director and lt�+ Commission. He added that they could move the monies within that lrudget any way they xanted to and they didn't go back to Council or anyone else as long as it was approved in that amount. Mr. Boardman said that was correct. MOTION by Her�nnan� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission receive the minutes of the Human Resources Cormnission meeting of July 1, 1976. Upon a voice vote, all voting �ye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr, Langenfeld suggested that for clari£ication purposes they should just £orget the figure of $10,000 and use just percentag,es or a pro rata portion of R dollars. He said that way they could establish where priorities did lie. Mr. Boardman told Mr. Langenfeld that they did have to set a certain limit on the thing. He said he thought they had spent this amount of money last year, and they were wondering if they had spent it wisely or if there were more worthwhile organizations that could be flmded� and this was what they were asking Human Hesources. He stated they were not budgeting money to Human Hesources or doing anything yet. Mr, Peterson said that last year when requests came through the Human Resources • Commission to Planning to City Council, they were earmarked for special purposes and tnat was the only vay they could be spent. I£ it was in general budgeti.ng� he continued, the City Manager would have the authority to spend it anycray he wanted to within that budget and not necessarily on those items. Planning Con¢nission Meeting - July 1D, 1976 Page 21 6 T Mr. Bergman asked iF they vere really trying to find out from Human Resources • what they suggest be included in the budget for their activities. Mr. Boardman said he was not sure what the intent o£ the City Manager's office w�s, �t he thought they were wondering i£ the money spent last year was wisely spent or should there be other things that should be funded. Mr. Aarris said that unless somebody came in and made a request and asked� how were they supposed to Imow what they are, Mr. Boardman said he thought this thing may be a bit premature because when goals and objectives were established� those objectives would be laid out and priorities would be established. Mr. Peterson stated he liked the way it was handled last year� because this way it would go into the general budget and they wouldn�t imow where it went. Mr, Harris said he thought that was the way it should be done--the vay it vas last year. Mrs. Gabel stated that she thought the Human Resources Commission did an ezcellent job, and she would like to see them have a handle on it. Mrs. Shea said that in regard to Social Services, she thought the main reason this came about was because Coon Rapids asked for $30,000 from the City ot Fridley because Fridley people do use the Family Service. Mr. Boardman said it was also because Coon Rapids xas running into fiscal monetary problems. Chairperson Harris said if the Family Service was being used by more than one community in the county� then it should be a county function. Mr. Langen£eld stated he Felt they should vote not to concur with the motion by the Humen Resources Commission� and then submit a motion that Council consider at least $5,000 (this rrould be excluding duplications of the Youth Center and • Senior Citizens) of pub7.ic money from generaZ contingency i'unds to be allocated to the Human Resources Commission for the cultivation o£ human resources developanent in the City. Mrs. Shea commented that she wouldn't like to see that money allocated to the Human Resources Coimnission. Mr. Peterson said he would like to offer as a possible motion that the Planning Commission concur with the Human Resources Commission in the need for cultivation of human resources, and that thg� flirther recocrmiend that the spendi.ng of this come through on a recorranendation from Human �esources to Planning to Council to be spent out of the contingency fund. He stated that the requests should be considered on an application basis. Mrs. Gabel said she wondered if they shouldn't give Mrs. Shea the opportunity to take this back to her Cornmission� but Mrs. Shea said she didn�t think that was possible as the Council rrould be looking at the budget starting August 2. Mrs, Gabel asked Mr. Boardman iY this taas somehox being xorked into the budget since it was a Staf£ member who made the recotrunendation, and he replied he rather doubted it. Chairperson Harris said he thought xhat they were trying to do is earmark� somehow� $10,000 for all of the projects that come through here. He said that then xhen a project went through the Planning Commission and got to Council and they approved ii� they would have $10�000 i.n this fund and could ilxnd it . from there. Mrs, Gabel said they should £ind a way to see that some money does get speni on things like H'ine Arts. Mr. Langenfeld co�nented that this was an invitation to Pandora's Box. Planning Comni.ssion Meeting - July 11�, 1976 Page 22 ' 6_ � Chairperson Harris said they thing that scared him was that it xould be learned • that the City had $10�000 to spend on this type oF thing, requests would come through and be funded and the $10,000 would be disbursed. Then, he said, if one more request came though, Council xould say they couldn�t fund it as the $10,000 had been spent, and that mi.ght be just the one that should be granted. Mr. Boardman said that was xt�y they wanted to see what the priorities were. Mr. Harris said the problem xith this rras that it was going to wind up like all the communities down at the HUD of£ice trying to get pet projects approved. He said they would probably have twenty requests for $5,000 apiece. MOT10N by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission recommend to Council that they do not concur with the recoir¢nendation by the Human Hesources Comnission that Council consider that at least $10,000 oi' public money be allocated to the broad area of cultivation oY human resources developnent in the City of Fridley, and also does not concur with the budget disbursement of the $10�000 as reconnaended by the Human Resources Commission. Upon a voice vote, Harris� Bergman� Langenfeld� Peterson and Gabel voting aye, Shea a6staining, the motion carried. MOTION by Peterson� seconded by tsergman, that the Planning Coimnission agree with the Human Resources Conmiission in cultivation oi' human resources develop- ment xithin the City of rYidley, realizing that some oi' these should be supported by City monies, and recommend to ihe City Council that each request snould come through an appeals process through the Human Hesources Commission to Planning Commission to City Council. � Mr, Langenfeld asked i£ Mr. Peterson felt he should indicate some kind of source, such as contingency flutd. Mr. Peterson said he didn't think that was necessary as it rrould be handled out of tne contingency Yund anyway. He added that ne didn�t like to set a dollar li.mit because in 1977 it might be more or less than last year. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. i�, CONTINUEU: RECONIMENDATIOdS Un HfJHAN DEVF,I,OPMEaT GOAIS AnD OtiJECTIVES I�Ir, noardman said what he xas looking f'or at this time was development oi' Goal Statement D100, and trying to xork that out. He said tnat this was what was brought beYore the Planning Commission as Parks ana xecreation goals� and they had been re-xorked and put into those £ive program objectives. He told the Commission that what he was looking for from them now was direction as to whether this is the proper way to go on it. Mr, Peterson said he wished to discuss something that wasn't necessarily germane to D100� but he thought it was something the Commission should be aware of. He stated that a couple of months ago at a Council meeting Parks and Hecreation was criti8ized by Councilperson Kukowski, and after they thought about it £or avhile they decided she probably was right. Mr. Peterson said the • Parks and Recreation Coirunission then started a project committee to only look at recreation within the City of Fridley. He told the Commissioners that if they had any thoughts on that it would be well to get in touch with that committee. He added that maybe their Conunissions vould want to discuss it now that they do have this project committee activated. Planning Co�mnission Meeting - July 1�� 19%b Page 23 6 Y Mr. Bergman asked if it zaas the intent of D100� xhich encompassed through D154� . to be Park and Hecreation's descriptive program objectives, program plan, goal statement, and so on. Mr..Iioardman said that was correct. Mr. Peterson said his understanding was that xas true, but with the feeling that at any time that the Parks and Recreation Commission through the process of bringing it to this body and to the City Council could expand this as the need arises. Mr. �3oardman said this would be a very flexible program because program objectives could be added� and even goal statements,:.if necessary. Mr. Bergman asked Mr. Boardman if he really felt that from a weight analysis that if he took the items as described� thst the enumeration of items relative to recreation and enumeration of items relative to park design and enumeration of items re2ative to elderly activities, etc,� carried in terms of weightiness in the documentation some relativity to the aeightiness in actual practice. He said that by actual practice he was including staffing, funding, expenditures� etc. In other words, he said, he could look at ehat xas written and read a balance of a ma�'titude of activities. He said his question was� does that same balance actually exist in reality, or shouldn't he be trying to relate balance, Mr. Boardman said he thought Mr. }iergman xas looking at 110, 120, 130 and 150 aZZ relati.ng to parks, and 1l�0 relating to recreation. He said he thought this was what Mr, Bergman vas looking at as far as weightiness, but it didn�t necessarily rrork that way. He stated that recreation vras one scope xithin the parks area, and park development was broken dosm into several things: park • system; individual park land as far as development, aesthetic qualities, etc.; people or public participation vrith park's programs; special management of those parks for recreation. He added that recreation rras another program. He said that this was not set up so there vas a balance o£ things by counting the number of goals. Mr. Boardman explained that all of the balance in recreation might be handled in one goal or one program objective� whereas £our objectives might be needed to handle what was wanted in a parks system. Mr, Peterson said that to ansxer the question another ray, that while it Zooked top-heavy as far as facilities versus program� the �77 bndget is 3-1 program versus facilities in terms of what they had requested. Mr. riergman then read D1ly0� and asked if that was balanced if it was looked at in terms o£ age group. }fr. Peterson said that was a difficult question to answer, but in terms of priorities the maximum amount would be spent on young peope, the second most important segment would be the senior citizens� and the third xould be those represented as this body as they had the money and £acilities to go elsewhere and xere also working and had less time to use the facilities. Mr. Langenfeld said that he had his notes on this item from rrhen it was discussed previously� and commented that under D100 they had apparently decided to rp omote s adequate park facilities, not �rovide. He also had noted that under D131 he had marked the handicapped, and asked if this would be speci£ied as Parks and Recreation or just Human Develo�nent. Mr. Boardman said this would just be Human Development� anci wouldn�t be specified as Parks and kecreation. He • stated that the only reason he had put in D231 and D232 was to give some examples� and although the handicapped might go in someplace, he was not sure if it would go under D130 or not. Mr. Bergman said he thought the general outline looked well organized� and asked Mr. Boardman What he was eapecting from the Conunission. Mr. Hoaz'dman replied Planning Con¢nission Meeting - July 1�, 1976 Page 2� 6� he was looking Yor �pprovai. • Mr. Langeni'eld said he woul.d like to reco�nend that the Planning (:ormni.ssion approve the goal statements as recortunended�one statement at a time� so they xould be making some headvay. Mr. lierp,�nan said he agreed� but would like to make one suggestion. He stated that on goal scatement D100, he recalled that at some time in the past he had made the comment that providing park facilities would not ensure his health and well being. He said it might promote it� but it wouldn't make him healthy� and suggested that ensure be changed to rp omote. Mr. Boardman said that would be fine. Mrs. Shea brought up Mr. Langenfeld�s suggestion aboui putting in somewhere something about the handicapped, and the Commissioners agreed they wanted to see that, Mr. Boardman said they would get into that. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Peterson� that the Planning Commission take these on a goal statement basis on1y. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTTON by Bergman, seconded by Uabel, that the Planning Commission accept goal statement D100 as stated. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. YOuTH CENTER DISCUSSION • Mr. Boardman i.nformed the Cormnission that the (:ity (:ouncil had taken action on the Youth Center� and had given the Con¢nissions that vould be involved thirty days to come up with a representative on the Charter. Mrs. Gabel said she would like to mention that there xas a member on the Appeals Commission who xould like to serve� if they were looking for members. She added that she understood this individual helped to organize a youth center in another state some years back, and he would like to assist. Chairperson Harris asked if the Cormnission �anted a member of this Con¢nission to serve on the Board, or if they vanted to appoint someone else besides a member. Mr. Boardman said that first of all, the people appointed at this time would be appointed to a temporary Board oY Directors to serve'not more than thirty days. He stated that during that time they would rrrrite the charter, establish interim rules for the youth center and £acilitate the election for regular members to the permanent board. He stated that the appointed ex-officio members would also serve on the permanent board� an�i that the six regular members o£ the temporary board would have also the ex-officio members of the Fridley City Council, the Fridley Police Department, and the Parks and Recreation Commission. He added that when the charter Was written� those of£icio members would continue on the permanent board. , Mr. Bergman stated that he recollected that the proposal was that these members be teenagers. Mr. Boardman disagreed� and said they had wanted supervision from the di££erent Commissions in the vriting of their charter. Chairperson Harris requested an answer to the question he had posed; and again asked if' this Commission wished to appoint a member i'rom the Commission as their appointee, or iY they wished to go outside the Commission. r Planning Cocrmiission Meeting - July 14, 1976 Page 25 6X Mr. Langenfeld answered that in his personal opinion, they should appoint someone • from the outside and have that individual inform them of what xas going on periodically. Mrs. Gabe2 said she thought they had worked on this so much they had a lot of preconceived ideas� and thought if they appointed somebody from the outside that didn�t have any set ideas as to hox this should be done they could probably work with the youth a lot better. Mr. Bergman stated he had an alternate thought, and stated that he was thinking that since they a11 had spent some time on this and had some lrnovledge oP it, it would make some sense that this Imowledge be applied to this function rather than pulling in a stranger who had no background in this at all. Chairperson Aarris said that if the Con�nission decitied to appoant one of its members to the temporary board, he feLt it only £air that he volunteer as he was the only one who had only two Wednesday nights to attend per month. MOTION by Peterson, seconded by Gabel, that Mr. Harris be the Planning Commission's appointee to the Youth Center's temporary board of directors, Upon a voice vote, all vot9.ng aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Boardman said that hopeflilly the Chairmen now could serve notice to their Cotmnissions on this as to how they want to handle appointing members or ex-officio members at a Commission level, Atr. Fsergman stated that he was going to suggest or request to Community Develop- . ment that they get a volunteer to serve on this. He said tnat all of these representatives xere slated to be Yrom some funetion, and asked if' ii wouZd be possiDle to filter a volunteez�s name through Mr, Boardman. Mr. Bergman said that if they had a volunteer� he could serve as a representative Yor any one of these functions. • Mr. Boardman saia it looked to him that the youth were looking for a member from each oi' the Commissions because those persons on that Commission srere aware oi' that Commission's Yunction. Mr. Harris said the reading he got from the kids rras that they wanted a member i'rom the City Council� the Planning Commission, etc. Mrs. Shea said she was assuming that they would allox someone to sit in and make suggestions} but they wouldn't have a vote. Mr. }3oardman said it looked like the youth had selected the Planning Commissiona the Parks and Recreation Commission and the Human Resources Commission as Commissions that would help get the charter going. ADJOUHNMENT MOT10N by Langen£eld, seconded by Shea� that the meeting be adjourned, Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, Chairperson Harr3s declared the Planning Commission meeti.ng of July 11�, 1976 adjourned at 12:21 P.M. by unanimous vote. Hespectfully submitted, �--�-�--��,�� �-9�' Q��/� She rif� 0'Donnell; Recording Secretary a . �.`� ..a �, � `�'>��T-- . _ _ __ _ _ � � _ __ L��-y��� _���� - _ G��d ��; ���:� - _ �� __ _ _ _ � _����� �. �� ���� � _ _ _ ..,�,����--o �'��.r� a3 �" � �� d a �� --- - ___ �.__ �- _ _ __ �`9 �'07�-� . ` � � __ �}� � �,� � . - , �.�-� �� __ . � ���. , �� �� . � _ _ ��� �C� ��.�����, . � � � �,.h _ � �. �,�.�. � - � � � T � .� nf . �� �- �'i'1�G.�� �� � � � ��. _ _ - -_ --_ _�.�r�� _Q�_ �o� _04-�0 �/� f N �" _ _ _ _ _ ���-''Y � -�, � aa�FS� -� /�� . _ _ --- --�__�� c°�?.����-� _ _ Z�g � S�° ��, _ . ------ :�� ��. d�- � ,�__� -ay� � � �` � - -- _-----�� ccK_ _�0 3 lo3z.i o�s Gzoe. S-c 1��, . . _ CAL`!�-< ��c-�`*�` _ _ ��D _ _ —•�� _. ' _._ __ �a S 2� - C�`1�= �,ve .W_t • _ _ _ _ -- -- _ _ - ---; ����� _ _ __ aaa - �-��- � . _ _ � �>9_,�,a,�,�rl' .�. � , __ i . /��?�%LL�°��'�'s%- LS�: �ll�' 4 _...-.. ..._ _-'_ .- . ._. .-. . .._ .'\ . _.__�._ .._ . ____ ... .. ._ . . . HiJMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING JULY 1, 1976 MEMBERS PRESENT: Nancy Lambert, William Scott, Grace Lynch, Harold Belgum MEMBERS ABSENT: Barbara Shea OTHERS PRESENT: Jan Konzak, Administrative Assistant , Jim Bruder, Chairperson of the Fridley Fine Arts Committee Vice-Chairperson Lambert opened the meeting at 8:05 p.m APPROVAL OF MINUTES OF JUNE 3, 1976, HUI�IAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING: MOTION by Harold Belgum, seconded by William Scott, to approve the minutes of the June 3, 1976, Human Resources Co�ission meeting as written. Upon a voice v�te, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MA.TERIAL FROM CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ON REQUESTS FOR FUNDING FROM ORGANIZATIONS: Mr. :fim Bruder was present at the meeting to make a formal request to the Human Resources Commission for budget support for the Fridley Fine Arts Committee. Mr. Bruder expLained that the Fridley Fine Arts Committee is currently a sub- committee of the Human Resources Commission working also in conjunction with the Fridley Community Schools, so they currently are a subcommittee jointly under the Human Resources Commission and adjunct to the Fridley Community Schools. They are receiving funding from both areas. Mr. Bruder reviewed with the Commission the three pages of the Fine Arts Committee's budget--the 1976 Budget Report, the Proposed 1977 Budget, and the 1977 Funding Source Requesi,. He said they had a$2,800 budget for 1976 and by the end of the current year ending December 31, 1976, they will expend the complete $2,800. He stated that their funding requests for 1977 are $1,000 from the City of Fridley through the Human Resources Commission and $1,000 from the Community Schools. He said the contribution from the Community Schools for 1976 was $1,800, but they felt it was better to balance the contribution between the City of Fridley and the Cemmunity Schools. HUI�IAN RESOURCES COMMISSIGN MEETING, SULY 1, 1976 Page 2 Mr. Scott congratulated Mr. Bruder on the tremendous production they pul- on of "You Can't Take it With You", He said the benefits to this community for that prodaction cannot be measured in dollars and cents and said he felt the funding request for $1,000 was a very modest request. Mr. Scott asked Mr. Bruder what his feelings caere about the Fine Arts Committee becoming a separat'e commission. Mr. Bruder stated that he has talked with the other members of the Fine Arts Committee and there are many, not a11, who feel it should be a commission. He said, as chairperson and trying to make the coannittee run. he has not aiven it much thought and has remained neutral. He said he could see the Fine Arts Committ2e growing to that stature and becoming fully funded by the City, if possible. He sai.cl it was very difficult, in the area of Fine Arts, to be self-supporting. Ms. Lambert stated that last fa11 the project committee's recommendation when they made their evaluatien was that ultimately the Fine Arts Committee should be a separahe covm�ission, with equ�l rights with the Parks & Recreation Comc�ission. It is something to work on and should be the ultimate goal. Atl the Commission members agreed that the budget request of $1,000 for. the Fridley Pine Arts Committee was a reasonable request. MOTION by William Scott, seconded by Grace Lynch, thai at the aext Fine Arts Committee Boar.d meetiag, Mr, firuder pass on to the Cerranittee members th.e Human Resourees Commission's congratulations on the fine work they have dene and the Commission's hope that they wi11 continue i.n this fine czork. Upen a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Commission members listed the fo7lowing priorities of the organizations they felt should be granted requests for funding: Harold Reigum 1. Fine Arts Comnittee - $3,000 2, Youth Center - $3,000 3. Senior Citizens - $3,Q00 William Scott 1. Youth Center - $3,000 2. Fine Arts Committee - $1,000 3. S.A.C.A. - $ 500 4. Senior Citizens - �3,000 ? 5. NucZeus Clinic - $1,OD0 (with the provision that the Commissiou have someone on the board of directers) Grace Lynch i. Transportation - 2. S.A,C.A, - 3. Counseling - 4. Youth Center - 5. Fine Arts_ Committee - Nancy Lambert 1. Fine Arts 2. Youth Center 3. Senior Citizens 4. 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