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PL 02/09/1977 - 6603City of Fridley ��: AGENDA , RLANNTNG CONP1ISSION MEETTNG FEBRUARY 9, 1977 CALL TO ORDER: RQII CALL: APPROVE PLANNIN6 COMMTSSION MFNUTES: JANUARY 19, 1977 1. � s 2. 3, 4. 5. 6. � PLAT. P 7:30 P.M. PAGES 1 - 22 23 - 26 .��•. �� •,��.��� „�.0 n�vnn �vtw�: tseing a replat o that part o the 5':1/4 of tfie NE 1/4 of Section 3, lying Westerly of the Westerly right of way line of Burlingon Nor#hern, Inca, lying Easterly of the Easterly rignt of way line of Ashton Avenue and lying Southerly of a Tine described as follows: Commercing at the intersection of the South line of the SW 1/4 of the NE 1/4 and said Westerly right of way line; thence on an assumed bearing of N.18°26'70"W, along said Westerly right of way line 293.25 feet to the actual point of begirining; theace on a 6earing of West 292,20 feet to the Easterly right of way line of Ashton Avenue, and there terminating, the same being 8701 Ashton Avenue N.E. : RECOMMENOATIUN aN EAST RIVER ROAD CONTINUED: PROPOSED MAINTENANCE CODE OTHER BUSINESS: ADJOURNMENT: 27 28 - 34 35 - 36 � � �� 1 Y GITY OF FRIDLEY PLANtdING COAIMISSION MEETING - JANUARY 19, 19T7 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the meeting to order at 7:l�8 P,M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Harris, Bergman, Langenfeld, Schnabel, Shea Membens Absent; Peterson Others Present; Jerrold Boardman� City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COt�IISSION MINUTES: JANUARY 5, 1977 PAGE 1 MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission minutes of January 5, 1977 be approved as written. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. Pi3BLIC AEARING: OF.A PczOPOSED PLAT, P.S. ...,.,��1.,,�, .�, ��� .,:.�..,.�. .,. ..,:�RICA, INC: Reglat o£ al.. ,., ...,., _.,, part o£ Lots 11 and 12, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155� as per legal notice, generally located South of I. 691y, West o£ Highvay //6�, North of 53rd Avenue N.E., and East of the Target parking lot. MOTION by Tangenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on consideration of a proposed plat, P.S. /{76-12� Target Addition, by Pop Shoppes of America, Snc. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 7:$3 P.M. Mr. F�nmett R. Albergotti� Real Estate Negotiator for Dayton Hudson Properties; Mr. John Zavitz of Pop Shoppes of America, Inc.; Mr. Bill Jaeger £rom Kraus pnderson of St. Paul Company; Mr. Jon Pope, architect Yor Plagerso McGee, Inc.; and Mr. Bob Harvey� Box 3761t� Minneapolis, were present. Mr. Bourdman directed the Commission to turn to pages 15 and 16 of their agendas which showed the ge»eral location of.where the replat was going to take place. He explained this was East oS the present Target parking lot, behind F�bers and the gas station, and would be div3ded into three separate lots, He said that this was to allow for two or three separate developments, and the larger lot on the North side of the property was groposed.for Pop Shoppes of America. He stated that access into this area would be through privAte easement from Target off of 53rd to service these three lots. Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 2 Chairperson Harris asked if this was on part of the blacktop portion of the � parking lot, and Mrc $oardman rep].ied that the lots themselves were not, but the driveway easement would be on the Easterly end of the blacktop portion. Mr. John Zavitz explained that the head offices of Pop Shoppes of America xere in Denver, and there were 19 other locations in the United States. He said they would be opening fourteen new centers this year, one of which was the Twin Cities location. Mr. Zavitz said that basically what they were trying to do was delioer soft drinks to the public ai lower than normal cost as they rnanufactured and retailed on the same premises. To daLe, he said, they have enjoyed quite a bit of success both in Canada and here� and were just beginning to scratch the surface in the U.S, market. He stated that to date they had been able to satisf� all concerns with regard to envi.ronmental issues, noise levels� etc., to the satisfaction of all City Councils. Aesthetically speaking, he coniinued, they did not look like a manufactnrer, but a retailer. He told the Cormnission they sold 26 different • £Iavors in two sizes, in plastic cases, and returnable bottles only. He explained that people could :nix and mateh flavors as they wished. Chairperson Harris asked what the zoning was, and Mr. Hoardman replied it was C-2S and that was the reason they were going with the Special Use PermiL on it, He explained the operation o£ this type of shop would be similar to that of a dai:y. He stated they mixed the soSt drinks at the plant and stored them there, but ihey had a majar retailing operation from the store also so there wasn't a major handling of the shipping of the bottles. He � safd they would ship to about three or £our other retail stores in the metro area� but it was a major retail operation. Mr. Boardman said that all three of the parcels met the requirements as £ar as square footage under a C-2S zone and lot sizes were adequate. He added that one of the stipulations they would want io put on the plat would be some definition of roa@way in the parking lot area itself. He said he had received a letter from Target on access that he would like entered into the minutes. Chairperson Harris read the following letter to Mr. Boardman, from Jack Franzen, Building Services Manager for Target Stores, dated January 19, 1977; In the event that the County $ighway Department does go ahead with its planned improvements along 53rd Avenue, specifically including ihe revised eastern mosL access routing into the Target Fridley parking Iot� Targei will define the access road with curbings, plantings, or some other method acceptable to the City of Fridley and Target. This is to promote more orderly tra£fic flow through the Target parking lot facility. i , MOTTON by Shea, seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission receive the letter to r7r. Bosrdman From Mr. Franzen dated January 19, 1977. Upon a voice vote� alI voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel noted that,the proposed plat was to divide the property into three separate lots� and asked if the Special Use Permit would cover all three lots. Mr.. Boardman explaS.ned that the Special Use Permit was for just the Norther]� lot. He said that loLs 10, 11 and 12 were the existing lots, � and they extended to Highway 65, He explained that was an old lot description Plarming Commission Meeting - January l9� 19T7 r�ge 3 �on Target and was only used as definition to show where the new plat would be. ' He said that actually it would be platted out to lots 1� 2 and 3. Mrs. Schnabel asked if the other two lots would remain vacant, and Mr. Boardman replied that was correct. Mrs. Schnabel asked i£ it kas necessary for Pop Shoppe3 to get some type of agreement with Target for use of the roads� and Mr. Boardman said they would have to have easements drawn up for use of the properties, and he thought that could be handled with the platting. Chairperson Harris agreed it should go with the final plat. Mrs. Schnabel asked about utiliiies i.n that area, and Mr. Boardman said that utilities Hould be serviced to all three properties o££ of 53rd. Mr. Jon Pope, architect, explained that the water would be brought in off o£ b5 to the rear of the building. He said that a pole would be placed at the Southwest corner of the lot� and electrical power would be brought underground to the site. Chairperson Harris asked about the other lots, and Mr. Boardman said he would imagine it would be easier and better to have the water and sewer service for the other properties o£f of 53rd. Mr. Bergman said he expected sizeable water requirements for this activiiy and noted an eight inch water line was planned, He asked iY there were any pressure or capacity problems in this location, and Nir. Boardman replied there were not. Mr. Bergman said it would appear that all the utility installations took place on private property so no easements would be involved� and Mr. Boardman said that was correct. i Chairperson Harris asked if a drainage easement xould be needed in there, and Mr. Boardman replied that the lay of the land took care of it mostly, He explained that the drainage off of all three of these lots would be onto the Target parking lot wnere there were catch basins which would handle it. Mr. Bergman said he assumed that some kind of written agreement would 'be in order between Pop Shoppes and Target attesting that drainage was agreeabZe between the two parties. He added that he thought it was more normal that any place oP business would take care of its oti+n surface drai.nage rather than drain of£ someplace else. Mr. Boardman said that was the only way they could handle the suri'ace drainage, and pointed out • that the catch basins in the Target parking lot had the capacity to handle it with no problem. Mr. Albergotti said it was handling it right now. MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on consideration of a Proposed Plat, P.S. �/7b-12, Target Addition, by Pop Shoppes of America. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 8:12 P.bi. Mrs. Shea stated she had some reservations about this simply because of the intersection, and asked if the county had given a timetable regarding the planned improvements there. Hr. Boardman said that 53rd should hopeSully be done this summer. Mrs. Shea said she hated to see anything go in there unless something was done with that intersection. Mr. Boardman explained that the improvements were being tied in with the urbanization project from � Columbia Heights all the way through, and there were presently some difficulties Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Pe�e � irith Co2umbia Heights which would hopefully be resolved before March. Mrs..Schnabel asked if that meant that if there wasn't an agreement by March nothing xould be done at all, and Mr. Boardman said that was right. Chair- person Harris said he certainly hoped that didn�t happen, and asked what the problem was Nith Columbia Heights. Mr. Boardman explained the Highway Depart- ment wanted to widen the road, but the local businessmen didn't want to lose the on-street�parking around 40th. He further explained that the urban- ization project went £rom 37th .to 53rd, regardless of what community it was in, and if.any part of that project fe12 through the whole project would £all through. Mrs. Schnabel asked why something cou2dn't be done on 53rd by itself� and Mr. Boardman said i,t was because there wouldn�t be any state monies for it. He added that if it was going to be improved by itself, that would be the county's respansibility. Mrs, Schnabel said that it seemed to her that something should be done on 53rd at a minimum� regardless if the other project fell through. Mr. Boardman said this was not to say that 53rd wouldn�t be done at a later date if that project failed, but it wouldn't , be done this year. Mr, Bergman stated he thought the things they had been discussing were of some relative bearing, but not an overriding bearing, on the question of rsplatting the property. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld; that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of Proposed Plat P.S, i/76-I2, Target Addition, by Pop 5hoppes of America� Inc.: Replat of all of Lot 10, part of Lots � 21 and 12, Auditor�s Subdivision No. 155, as per legal notice, generally located South of I. 69Lt, West of Highway �j6s, North of 53rd Avenue N.E., and East of the Target parking lot, subject to a pIan de£ining the accessway e�ctending to all three of the proposed lots with the authorizing signature from Target or its parent company. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBLIC HEARING• REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT, SP#/76-16, BY POP SHOPPFS OF AMERICA, INC.: To permit the bottling of so£t drinks and a retail outlet, per Fridley City Code, Section 205.101, B, (3,�,), on Lot 10, and parts of Lots 11 and 12, Auditor's Subdivision No. 155, locaied South of I. 69h, West oF Highway No. b5, North of 53rd Avenue � N.E., and East of the Target parking lot, the same being 78$ 53rd Avenue N.E. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea, that the Planning Commission open the Public Hearing on the request £or a Special Use Permit, SP �76-26� by Pop Shoppes oF America� Inc. Upon a voice vote� alI voting a�ye� Chair- person Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 6:23 P.M. The same people were present as for the first Pub2ic Hearing, Mr, Boardman said that as xas discussed before, Pog Shoppes Nould be doing mixing of the pop, storage of that pop and retai.l sales of that pop within � Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 5 that build'ing. He said that as far as they could tell, it fell under the category of retail or xholesale sales or service uses, such as creameries and dairies, where there was the mixing of a product and storage of a product for retail sales. Chairperson Harris stated he had a slight problem with that, and said it looked like either a 13-1 or M-2 use to him. Mr. Boardman sai.d they had felt the retail operation of Pop Shoppes was more characteristic of C-2S zoning� and probably over 50� of the retail sales in the metro- politan area would be handled out of this location. Mr. Zavitz stated that what they t'ried to do was manufacture and sell directly to the public. He said Pop Shoppes could be compared to McDonalds because their process was one where they took concentrate, mi�ced it with vater and carbon dioxide, and bottled it for sale to the public for con- sumption off-premises. He said they were specialists in so£t drinks as opposed to hamburgers, and their bulk was consumed off-premises. He added that they were not at all difYerent Yrom a bakery or a Dunkin� Donuts chain for on-premises and o£f-premises consumption. Mr. Zavitz stated that they had never gone into a city where they hadn't had to answer questions of this nature because there was no particular zoning anywhere that he had found where they cou].d just walk in and operate because people didn't recognize their particular use. He said he thought the Coimnission was probably concerned with "degree"; what was manufacturing and �rhat was retailing. He stated that because they made something they were manufacturing. Chairperson Harris said that as he looked at the plan, he saw one sales -✓ area, one production area, and another area possibly 3- 1� times as large as the other iwo labeled °warehouse". I•ir. Zavitz esplained that was mainly to hold the empties and the full bottles ready to move onto the floor. Mr. Boardman noted that under accessory uses it did allow for storage of inerch- andise. Chairperson Harris asked if in the event this went over well, and he assumed it would, if they would propose an expansion of this facility on this partic- ular property or if they would build another, Mr, Zavitz said they couldn't get too much more equipment in that area as they were at their capacity, and they would generally build another one. He added that right now their £acility in Duluth was serving a 60-mile radius� and this proposed facility would probably serve a 20-mile radius. Mr. Bergman asked if it was the intent to do bottli.ng at this plant, do product sales, and from the bottling capacity also to ship product to other retail putlets. Mr. Zavitz said that was correct. He stated they would ship to their own specialty sources such as West St, Paul and Knoll- wood, where they were building free-standing stores. He showed the Commission a picture of one of their free-standing retail markets. Mr. Boardman asked if they had any wholesale operation going out to supermarkets or other chain stores, and Mr. Zavitz said de£initely not as it was all an internal process. � Mr. Bergman asked how many outlets this warehouse £acility was designed to 5ervice. Mr. 2avitz replied that depending on hox successflil they were, Planning Commission Meeting - Jsnuary 19� 1977 Page 6 they were planning on opening !� - 6 outlets. He added that the plant was �j designed to make about a half million cases of soft drinks a year. . ` Mr. Langenfeld asked if there would be any non-returnable bottles, and Mr. Zavitz said there wou2d be only returnable bottles, Mr, LangenYeld asked if they would be using caustics� and rir. Zavitz replied they would, but they went through a recycling process. Mr. Langenfeld asked how they disposed of the caustic material, and Mr. Zavitz answered that the caustic solution was only 1�% in their product; it was a very low percentage and it would go into the seVrer system at some point. Mr, langenfeld asked how long Y�Ir. Zavitz thought the bottling machinery would be in operation during the day, and he replied that during the summer they generally ran two shifts� five days a week, and in the winter months probably one shift. He added that during the Christmas period they usually ran one shift or 1� shifts. Mr. Langenfeld asked how noisy the equipment was� and Mr. Zavitz replied they had just met a decibel level 0£.65. He added they were meeting both the OSHA and environmenta7. controls, Mr. Langenfeld asked if some of the public xatched the bottling of the pop, and Mr, Zavitz replied that the bottling process was in open view to the public and ihey irivited schools to come in on tours to watch the pop being bottled. Mr. Langenfeld asked about the water treatment area designated on the plans, and Pfr. Zavitz explained that all of the plants had to have water treating equipment as it was part of the policy of the bottling plant. He said it was very simple filtration of city water. Mr, Langenfeld asked • if they would be using stainless steel tanks, and how many they would be using. Mr. Zavitz answered that they would only be usi.ng stainless steel, arid there would be two lt00 gallon tanks and two 200 gallon tanks. Mr, Langen£eld asked if there would be somebody checking the bacteria count� and NIr. Zavitz said yes, very definitely, He explained that each week samples were sent to their lab in Denver, and they were very critical about quality and their standards were extremely stringent. Mrs. Schnabel asked what type of volume they expected with regard to retail sales and customers coming in. Mr. Zavitz stated they have gone from a grand opening in Buf£alo twelve weeks ago where they sold 21,000 cases in two days, to areas where they had sold as few as 7,000 cases in a week. He added that generally speaking, a customer would usually buy 1� - 2 cases; on a Saturday they might sell 1,000 to 1�500 cases. He said it depended on the market and the time of year. Mr. Zavitz told the Commission that their customer £low was rapid as it only took about four minutes from the ti.me they entered the parking ]ot to the time they left. Mrs. Schnabel stated that using the figure of two cases per customer, he was saying that an average Saturday might generate about 500 to 750 customers in a store, Mr. Zavitz replied that was correct, and added that they were busy about the same time as Target and had about the same tppe of market. Mrs. Schnabel asked if they would be open approximately the same hours as Target� and Mr. Zavitz replied exactly the same. Mrs, Schnabel asked if they had trucks that would be doing the shipping to the other stores, and Mr. Zavitz said they would use a local broker to do it. �' Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 P�e 7 � He said they had anywhere from £our trucks a week in the winter to ten . truck.s a week in the summer, and they didn't have as many trucks as a normal grocery store would have. He commented that loading would be done in the rear and would be screened, r1rs. Schnabel asked how many parking stalls taould be required, and 1•ir. Boardman said that under G2S it would be three stalls for every 250 square feet within the actual retail use ares, under the storage area one stall for every 2�000 square feet was required, and under the actua7. bottling aFea one stall for every 1t00 square feet would be required. Mrs. 5chnabel said she was concerned about the number of parking spaces available since the maximwn in a day might be 750 cars, assuming there was just one customer per car. She said she was wondering if the 68 car stalls provided would be adequate. Mr. Boardman said that the rapid turn-over rate of about £our minutes per customer had to be considered. Mr. Zavit2 sai.d that in their Pacperience they found it to be more than adequate, and it was to their detriment not to have su£ficient parking. He said that there might be two weekends when the parking Nouldn�t be adequate� but 95% of the time it.would be. He added that in the initial stages when they were educating the people about their operation it would take a little longer, but after that it would take about four minutes. He said that they employed off-duty policement during any special promotion. � Mr, Langen£eld asked if they could Foresee any drainage problems� and Mr. Boardman replied they couldn�t. Mr. Langenfeld asked how many employees they would have� and Mr. Zavitz replied they would have about six full-time •people in the production area, two in retail� two in accounting and general _, management� and approximately ten to fi£teen part-time students. He said that they hired only local people� and the General Manager would be from the Twin Cities. He added that they tried to keep their work force down to a minimum force of highly productive people. Chairperson Harris commented that it seemed he had heard this all before with Plywood Minnesota� and they were in a M-2 zone. He asked how they justi£ied this. btr. Boardman said he didn't see Pop Shoppes in an industrial zone, but saw it more as a retail-type operation similar to a bakery. He said they were not a aholesale operation but a retail operation� and had to rely on a retail market. P1r. Harris asked what their justi£ication was on Plywood Minnesota� and Pir. Boardman replied he didn't ]mow. Mr. Harris asked about Wickes� and Mr. Boardman said that the largeness of that operation was probably the reason it was in an in3ustrial area. He said they had a very, very large wholesale-retail-storage operation� and just merely the size of the thing was probably the reason. Mr. Langenfeld said that as far as classification for this, he looked at it as a consumable product and not a finished product, thereby disiinguishing it from heavy manu£acturing and so on. Mr. Zavitz said that as he read the zoningy his operation related very directly'to the dairy type of use. He said that was a filling operation also, and a heavier manufacturing use than Pop Shoppes. � Mr. Bergman said he saw the middle position of the type of activity they xere talking about, it being in between the two possible zoning categories. Planning Commission Meeting - January 19� 1977 Page 8 He said that he thought of the two, the Special Use Permit within the oommer- � cial was the better way to go. Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that under C-1 and C-1S zoning was listed bakeries, cafes, confectioneries, ice cream and soft drink shopes including the preparation of food products for retail sales from their sites only. Mr. Boardman said that was the reason they were looking at a Special Use. Permit under C-2S. Chairperson Harris asked where they woul.d go if they needed additonal park- ing� and Mr. Zavitz said that they had 2.3 acres. He said that their normal site was one acre, so there would be room to expand parking. He added that they wouldn't have to be prompted if they needed more. Mr. Langenfeld asked ho�+ long they had been in existence, and Mr. Zavitz replied since May of 1969. Mr. Langenfeld asked about the subsidiaries, and Mr. Zavitz explained that Pop Shoppes 7nternational was owneci by the Canada Development Corporation which owned Texas Gulf and a number of other companies. He said the company that owned 20� of Pop Shoppes of America, which was a subsidiary of P.S,I., was a company called F.�nasco which was the parent of S& W Foods� Progressive Foods; a tobacco company, Tenderbox Chain of Smoke Shops� etc. He said they had other subsidiaries and a number of other trademarks. Mrs. Shea asked if everything had been r�orked out with ➢nbers to their satisfaction, and PSr. Zavitz replied it had, � MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Comcnzssion receive the letter to Mr. Harris dated January 17, 197% from Mr. Hyman Edelman concerning Embers Restaurant, and the accompanying letters marked as E�hibit A and I��hibit B. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel noted a reference to a pylon sign in the letter to Mr. Birnberg from bfr. Albergotti dated January 5, 1977 (Eschibit B), and asked if Pop Shoppes had a standard sign that they used for identification, Mr. Zavitz replied they did, and showed the Commission pictures o£ what the sign would look like. Chairperson Harris asked what size the sign would be, and Mr. Zavitz replied generally the largest alloteable. He said that actualZy it was usually a standard 1� x 6, 2lt square foot sign. Mrs. Schnabel noted that in the past Target had made a request to raise their sign, and the request was turned down, so there may possibly be a restriction on height, Mr, Harris pointed out that although they could discuss this as part oF the Special Use Permit� any signing dohe had to have a special permit. Mr. Zavita said he was familiar with that, and would work with the sign people and Mr. Boardman on that. Mr. Bergman commented that administraticn had apparently gone over these plans to some extent� and asked if there should be any stipulations for the Special Use Permit, such as dealin� with the landscaping. Mr. Boardman � Planning Commission Meeti.ng - January 19� 19�7 Page 9 � said they hadn't gone over it in any great deal yet, i�ut didn�t think they would have to stipulate it xith the Special Use Permit. i Mrs. Schnabel stated she did have some concern with the traffic flaw, and was thinking more of the very busy times when perhaps the traf£ic i'rom Target would cut across the parking lot to the Pop Shoppe. She said there would be no internal control of that traffic because ihe parking lot was not separated from the roadway itself. A1r. Albergotti and }Sr, Pope showed the Commission a map depicting the relationship between the Pop Shoppe building� the Target building� Dnbers Restaurant and the gas station. They painted out a ring road which they said would allow a good flow of traffic. Mr. Albergotti said that at one point they did have curbs in there but when there was snow in the parking lot people couldntt see them and drove over them and damaged their cars, so they were taken out. He stated that if they put them in again they would also put in landscaping and trees so they would be visable. Mrs..Schmabel asked if 53rd was improved if they would implement a plan o£ traffic control� and Mr. Albergotti said that was correct. She then asked what their intentions were if 53rd was not improved, and Mr. Albergotti said they would do something. He explained there was money in their budget to do something� and it was just a matter of deciding how the ir�provement would be handled. He added that they were a].so concerned with the trafiic flow at that intersection, and assured the Commission that Target would do something. Mrs. Schnabei asked i£ he was talking about putting some type •of barrier down each row. Mr. Albergotti sai.d they would be putting up _ barriers every so often, but not down each row. He explained that at the end of each row there would be a curb �ith landscaping to delineate thai it was an access road. Mrs. Schnabel asked if Finbers had made any request, or if they anticipated using another access down onto Dayton Hudson property. Mr. Albergotti said he thought Embers would like that very much� and they had asked Dayton Hudson to think in terms of a road connecting the properties, He pointed out that would make a whole di£ferent situation where people would be taking shortcuts through I�]nbers, and he personally didn't think it xas a good idea. TIr. Harris commented that the grade dif£erential was consider- ablea and asked if there would be a retaining wall. Mr. Albergotti said that when the hill was graded dorm there would be a contoured landscaping. He said there was about 12' o£ dif£erence, but it would be a gradual thing. Mr. Harris thought they might have to use a modified retaining wall. MOTION by Schnabel� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close the Public Aearing on the request £or a Special Use Permit� SP #76-16, by Pop Shoppes of Americay Inc. Upon a.voice vote� all voting aye� Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9:10 P.M. Mrs. Schnabel said she did have some concern on the zoning of this particular property, and was not sure that light manu£acturing would £all under this � de£inition. However, she said, she didn't necessarily see any other wey to go on it. Chairperson Harris said he couldn't see an alternative either, and he thought they were correct with a Special Use Permit. Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 10 Mrs. Schnabel said that aside from that, her other concern would be with � the traffic florr, and she felt fairly comfortable now that it would be pretty well taken care of. She said her biggest hope was that the State and the Gounty would get their act together and get that area improved, Mrs. Schnabel said she thought the buZk o£ the traffic going into ihere would be people going to the Target area to begin with� and she didn't think Pop Shoppes would generate that much more additional traffic in itself. She added that if the internal traffic system was i.mproved, that might improve ihe whole situation itself. MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of the request for a Special Use Permit� SP #/76-16� by Pop Shoppes of America� Inc.: To permit the bottling af so£t drinks and a retail outlet� per Fridley C4ty Code, Section 205.101� B� (3�0)� on Lot 10� and parts of Lots 11 and 12� Auditor�s Subdivision No 155� located South of I, 694, West of Highway No. 6s� North of 53rd Avenue N.E., and East of the Target parking lot, the same being 785 53rd Avenue N.E. Mr. Langenfeld suggested the following stipulations be included in the motion: 1) Strict compliance with the terms.of the ground lease regarding visibility restrictions (as stated in E�chibit B)� 2) Complete study done on retaining walls} and 3} Reasonable judgement be used as to traific patterns in accordance with City Staff recormnendations, Mrs. Schnabel sai:d the only stipulation that she thought necessary would � be following the intent o£ the letters that were received.. She said that was not to say tl�e others weren�t important, but she thought the petitioner had indicated they intended to do those things in good £aith. Mr. Harris said he thought the grade change could be handled with the building permit. Mrs. Schnabel AI�'lENDID the MOTION to include the stipulation that the intent of the letters of agreement Detween the Ilnbers and Dayton Hudson be followed. Agreeable to t4r. Langenfeld. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared a recess at 9:20 and reconvened the meeting at 9:35 P.M. 3. CONTINUED: PROPOSED MAINTENANCE CODE Chairperson Harris said he had one criticism, and that was his copy was so bad he couldn't read it and there were no page numbers. The Commi.ssion agreed they did not have very legible copies. Mr. Bergman said that he had read a portion of this and had arrived at the feeling that they still weren't in.concert as to what the content of the maintenance code should be. He said he thought they had agreed they were � P2anning Commission Meeting - January 19� 1977 Page ll �. going to try to reduce this down by.adhering to the maintenance considera- tions only, rather than construction, and yet whoever was putting this . together wasn't followi.ng that. For example, he said, there was still a' requirement in there that every room have a window. Mr. Boardman said he didn'i feel they had gotten that far. He said that at the last meeting it had been discussed and the Commission rranted it broken down into a more clear direction'. He stated they had put it into consistency and related it according to health and safety items; their efforts had been in the organization of the code £or a more proper review. Mr. Bergman commented that he�didn�t see a definition o£ maintenance in the proposed code. Chairperson Harris suggested that perhaps they could start with the introduction and take it section by section to get started on it someglace. Mr. Bergman said he thought they had agreed on a de£inition o£ maintenance� and he had looked for that definition as a gauge in the review. Mr, I,angen£eld sai.d he had provided a definition at one point. The source was the American Heritage Dictionary, he said, and the definition was a) The action of continuing carrying on, preserving or retaining something b) The work of keeping something in proper condition. Mr. Bergman said he recalled Afr. Langen£eld reading that, and recalled himself referencing another document where maintenance was described as the care and caretaking of that which exists. He said it would then be out of line to say someone had to put a window in a wall because maintenance � means care for what already existed rather than build more. P1rs. Shea . noted that the Building Inspector could set that aside, so there was a way out, Mr, Bergman said he thought a defi.nition of maintenance belonged in the front o£ the code� and what £ollowa should be consistent with that de£in- ition. Mr. Boardman said he thought it should be in a preamble or the opening statements, Mr. Langenfeld stated that he thought the preamble was redundant and suggested eliminating the first sentence to simplify and shorten it. Chairperson Harris noted that this preamble was longer than the preamble to the constitution, and the whole country was run by that. Mr. Boardman said they were not only talking about maintenance� but blighted premises and structures harboring conditions dangerous to the public healLh, safety, and general welfare of the people. He said they were also saying that faulty design or construction� iailure to keep them in a proper state of repair� lack of adequate lighting or ventilation� inability to properly heat� etc,� were causing this disproportionate amount o£ expenditure of public funds £or gublic health, safety and wel£are, Chairperson Harris questioned the last statement concerning public fhnds, and asked if that was what they were really doing. Mr. Boardman said this referred to crime prevention� fire protection, and things like that. Nr. Harris asked if there wasn�t a window in somebody's wall, if they would be expending those � funds. Mr. Boardman stated it was in the interest �of public health, and Planning Cormnission Meeting - January 19� 1977 Page 12 vas required in the State Building Code for a reason. Mr. Bergman said that ihen a house may exist prior to code (for example by way of a��grandfather" clause) that was acceptable from a building code construction control� but now they were coming up with a maintenance code that said it was not acceptable, Mr. Boardman said what they were saying was because that structure existed the wa,y it was and met code because it was "grandfathered" in� it may be a£ire hazard. Since in was a£ire hazard, he continued� there should be some repair work done to that so it was no longer a fire hazard and there wouldn't be an expenditure of public monies for the protection of that structure. Mr. Bergman said that meant that somebody had to decide what was a fire hazard and what wasn't. He stated that Mr. Boardman was defining the previous code that existed when that home was built as allowing a fire hazard in its design. Mr. Langenfeld said he felt that Mr. Berp,man had good points� but it seemed to him that in order to use this document they had to.first go throngh iL and condense it, and then after that go through it again and hit on those items that had been brought up. Chairperson Harris suggested skipping the preaznble and moving on to the code, but Mr. Boardman said they should handle the preamble because it was the basis £or the code. � Mrs, Schnabel asked if it was necessary to have a preamble� and Mr. Boardman replied that it was necessary to have a statement saying that they lrnew what they were going to talk about, For instance, he said, if they were � going to talk about the conditions dangerous to the public health, safety, and general wel£are, they had to lmow what those conditions were io be taken into consideration. Mr. Bergman stated he felt they should de£ine what they meant by maintenance, in other words, the scoge of this dociunent, Mr. Boardman commented that they� would probably have to rewrite the entire preamble as far as the scope and what they were trying to accomplish with the maintenance. He asked if they were trying to accomplish, with the maintenance code, elimination of conditions dangerous to public health, safety and wel£are. Mr. Bergman replied that in that broad of a context he would have to say no. Mr. Board- man then asked the purpose of developing a maintenance code} and Chairperson Harris said it was to insure the integrity of the residential neighborhoods, Mr, Bergman added they could accomplish that by putting an acceptable limitation on the normal deterioration and blight oY the buildines and facilities. Mr, Boardman asked if they were going to attempt to correct things that were wrong within the buildings, and cited an example of a stairw�y with no handrails. He asked if that would be a maintenance item. Mr. Langenfeld said that in his opinion that would be a safety item. Mr. Boardman asked , if they were going to talk about the sa£ety and general welfare of the public� because if soa that was more than what i•Sr. Langenfeld�s definition of maintenance t�ras, Mr. Boardman pointed out that if they went snto sa£ety i.n one area� they would have to go into it in other areas. Mr. Bergman �' asked if there was any other code that would cover an item such as the handrails, end Mr. Boardman replied there was not. Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 197T Page 13 �. Mr. Langenfeld said he didn't mean to sound harsh, but everytime they started on this code they bounced all over the place.' He suggested that • perhaps they could start on page 1 and hear everybody�s comments. Mr. Boardman explained that he was talking about the preamble and whether they wanted to just handle maintenance and preclude safety items. Mr. Langenfeld said that in reference to the preamble� he thought that perhaps they could eliminate the first 7� lines and pick it up where it started talking about Fridley only, He commented that he definitely felt that they had more than maintenance actually involved here, and they were going to end up talking about construction� maintenance� use,.and so on. He felt they should condense the preamble first and then talk about it. He added that he thought the last portion of the scope was a bit severe, and he thought that the purpose was sufficient. Mr. Bergman commented that it was interesting he had marked his copy consistent with what Mr. iangenfeld had just said. Mr. I,angenfeld gave the Commission a£urther example by showing them his copy of the proposed code with his comments noted where he thought they could omit, simplify, etc.� throughout the rest of the code. Mr. Bergman said he had started out the same way� and then it occunei to him that he didn�t lmow what he was doing� and that was when he got back to the definition item. He asked what they were going to address in this document as he found that in other concerns there was a health code� safety code� construction code � and maintenance code, and they were separate documents and each addressed difPererit things. He noted that they had a mixture here and he didn't . really lmow how to deal with that. Mr. Boardman stated that all the items in the proposed code dealt with construction and housing structure. �He said that there were certain things in construction that were sa£ety hazards--not only to the people kho lived there but to the £ire £ighters iY they were called in. Mr. Bergman suggested that perhaps they should call it Maintenance, Health and Safety Code. I�Ir. Boardman said that perhaps the de£inition of mainten- ance is where it should be handled under this code, and suggested that maintenance Nas maintaining the structure for health and safety purposes. Mr. Bergman said that he didn�t see how they could come up with a definition of maintenance that was in con£lict with the generally accepted and under- stood definition of the term. rir. Boardman read the scope to the Commission and noted that even that dealt with more than what the simple definition of maintenance was. .1r. Langenfeld suggested renaming it Completed Structures Building Code as he could see where "maintenance" was starting to throw this into di££erent categories. Chairperson Harris commented that he thought if they did that they would get into trouble with the State Building Department because they would.see this as an attempt to circumvent the State Building Code, Mr. Boardman suggested that they get back to the subject of the preamble, � a»d Mr. Bergman again suggested defining maintenance. Mrs. Schnabel said that maybe they should go on the tact o£ what the intent of the ordinance xas� and the intent was to prevent blighted areas £rom occurring as well as to protect citizenry in terms of health and safety from deterioration Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 197? Page 1� of dwellings within the city. Mr. Bergman asked Mrs. Schnabel if she would � be comfortable with a"Maintenance" title then, and she replied she would because she thought that pretty well defined what maintenance would be. . Mr, Bergman said he couldn't see a maintenance code telling an owner that he must now put up a railing on the stairway or a window in a Wall, consid- ering that when he had bought the house it had met any code stipulations. Mrs, Schnabel said that they might come to those sections in the proposed code and then delete them if they didn�t feel they fell within what the intent of the code was. Chairperson Harris stated that in his mind, a maintenance code was to maintain status quo--keep things the way they were. Mrs. Schnabel and Mrs. Shea disagreed with that definition, Mr. Harris said that what they were tatking about in someareas was an upgrading code; upgrading the structure by adding windows or stairway railings, etc. He said that to him mainten- ance was keeping the structure the way it was when it was built. Mrs. Schnabel said that a structure may have been built such a long time ago that the construction of it� by today's standards, was not adequate. Mrs. Shea said she felt that maintenance was maintaining a building so it was safe and healthy, Mr. Harris said that then that would mean upgrading it in some areas. Mr. Boardman stated that Mrs. Shea was saying that maintenance was maintaining a building in a health situation, and to do that the upgrading may have to happen. Nfr; Harris said he felt that was more than maintenance. Mr. Langenfe2d said he felt the whole intent of this was to be a Structural Deterioration Preventive Code� and suggested � that as a possible title. He saic3 then they could touch on maintenance, safety, etc. MOTION by Langen£eld, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission reriame the proposed Maintenance Code "Structural Deterioration Preventive Code". Mrs. Schnabel asked i£ he k*as speaking of all structures whether they were commercial, residential, or whatever, and Mr. Langenfeld replied that the intent of the motion referred to dwellings in the "R" districts. Mr. Langen£eld AMENDID the MOTION to read "Residential Structural Deter- ioration Preventive Code". Agreeable to Mrs. Shea. Mr. Bergman said that he appreciated Mr. Langenfeld�s good intentions, but he would have to vote against the motion. He felt, that "Maintenance" was the proper and correct title to put on this document and Yelt they should adher to that. Mr. Langen£eld coimnented that if they did that, much o£ the document would have to be eliminated. UPON A VOICE VOTE, Langenfeld and Shea voting sye; Harris, Bergman and Schnabel voting nay, the motion failed 3- 2. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Schnabel, that the Planning Commission insert in the Preamble and adopt the definition of the term "maintenance" Planning Commission Meeting - January 19� 1977 Page ls � as applicable to the proposed Maintenance Code as follows: a) The action of continuing carryin� on, preserving, or retaining something b) The work of keeping something in proper condition. Mr. Bergman read the Prearnble to the Commission as he suggested it would read� deleting the whole first sentence, elimi.nating "lack of adequate lighting or ventilation", and after the word "City" merely adding the defi.nition of '7�iaintenance". He said he felt that would be reasonable content. Mr. Langenfeld stated he was in f1x11 agreement with striking the First sentence� but couldn't go along with eliminating "lack of adequate lighting or ventilation" because that was in the preamble to make the reader aware that these conditions can and do exist, He explained thai was just cresting an awareness of a situation. Mr, Boardman said he thought one thing was being left out, 2nd that was a statement of what they �rere trying to accomplish. He said that was the purpose of the Preamble� and it should state what they were trying to do with the code. He explained that the first seven lines were a statement of finding� and the Preamble should also state what they were trying to declare and what the purpose o£ the ordinance was. Mr. Boardman said that if they had to go into court with this� they would have to have a solid statement of reason as to why they xere getting into this. Mr. Langenfeld said that as far as he was concerned� they had that in the last half of � the existing Preamble. He added that one of the things that i,ras bad about ordinances was that they had so many words they couldn't be interpreted. Mr. Bergman said that if they were to pursue the motion, some of this would really be awkward. He asked if lack of maintenance of an existing building would really necessitate excessive and disproportionate expenditures of gublic funds £or public health, public safety, crime prevention, fire protection, and other public services, thereby causing a drain upon public revenue and impairing the ef£icient and economical exercise of governmental functions, Chairperson Harris said he didn't think they could prove that. ' Mr. Boardman said that because of these conditions it may be necessary to expend more police time. He said that if an entire area was deterioration and conditons were such that mainienance was in poor condition, more police time would probably be expended in that area. He said that he was sure a lot of this was written up under that premise--that more police time was spent in areas where there was deterioration and more blight because the eonditions were such that they allowed more criminal activi.ty. He added that the same may be found with the fire department in these areas. Mr. Bergman stated he thought part of what Mr. Boardman �ras s�ying had some truth to it, but it was greatly overdone. He said he thought one thing that was lacki.ng here was a statement to the e££ect that they were concerned about this because blight expands and is found to be the cause of additdonal blight. � Planning Commission Meeting - January 19� 1977 Page 16 Mr. Boardman said they had to have in the Preamble some kind o£ statement of � finding to show why they had this code; for instance� for protection of , public safety� hea].th� and welfare� and for the disproportionate amount of public funds being spent and maybe even for aesthetic reasons--for the upgrading of the general character of the City. Mr. Bergman suggested that he change the motion to include the organization of the Preamble and the general approach used, but to add a definition of "maintenance" as applicable to�this document. Mr. Boardman said he thought the de£inition of maintenance would be more appropriate in the Scope than in the Preamble� and Lhe Commission agreed. P1r. Bergman AMENDED the MOTION to change, within the Preamble, the word� "dangerous" to "detrimental"� and to delete the phrase "lack of adequate ]ighting or ventilation". Mrs. Schnabel stated that she couldn't second that. She explained that he had added deleting the phrase "lack of adequate lighting or ventilation" after she had seconded the motion the first time, and she really didn�t agree with that. Mr. Bergman AMENDED the MOTION as follows: That the Planning Commission accept 220.02 Preamble of the proposed Maintenance Code� changing the word "dangerous" to "detrimental'r. Agreeable to Mrs. Schnabe2. UPON A VOICE VOTE� a21 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Langenfeld said that he would like to see the Cor,unis'sion continue to � go through the document and make notatians, as he had shown everyone, and see what they could do on that basis. He added that he felt they had spent enongh time on this i'or tonight. Mrs. Schnabel suggested that if anyone care@ to change any of the wording in any way, that they come to the meeting with their new language written out so they could perhaps proceed a little quicker. Mr. Bergman said he would like to suggest that they also attack "Scope"� and Chairperson Harris agreed. Mr. Harris asked if they wanted to incorpor- ate the maintenance definition in Scope. Mr. Boardman corrunented that he wondered if "maintenance" shouldn't be under Definitions, and noted that under objectives there was a kind of definition o£ maintenance. He asked what the Commission's feelings were on that. Mr. Bergman said he felt it was proper to ca7.1 th�s a MainCenance Code� and the definition of that term was really what the Scope was all about, and that is where it should be. He said that he would suggest £urther that it could be repeated back in Definitions, but it wa� really basic to understanding the Scope. M4TION by Bergman, seconded'by Langenfeld, that what is described under Scope in the Fridley Residential Maintenance Code be deleted and replaced Wi.th °The provision o£ this Ordinance sha1l apply uni£ormly to the maintenance of existing structures and facilities, where applicable�+, Maintenance as applicable in this document is defined as fo2lows: .a} The action of �� Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 17 � continuing carrying on� preserving or retaining something b) The work of keeping something in proper condition. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried vnanimously. MOTIOId by Shea, seconded by Langen£eld� that the Planni.ng Commission continue the Proposed Maintenance Code until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman said it was his impression that tirith that motion as the Scope� drastic things would hagpen to this dooument� mainly in the form of dele- tions. I•�. Boardman stated that he would have to digest that and would see what would happen. �. CONTINUED: HUMAN AEVELOPMEIdT GOALS AND OBJECTIVES Mr. Boardman said that they had gone through this briefly at the last meeting and there had been a motion to continue so it could be properly reviewed, and now he was open for questions. MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that under D410 the word '�mothers" be changed to "parents"� and "women and children" be deleted and "all citizens" added. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried 'ur;animously. ` MOTION by Langen£eld, seconded by Shea, that under D420 the words "in order" and "morc'be deleted. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel noted the words "within the Metro Area" under D51�0, and asked if it was the responsibility of the City of Fridley to promote a better understanding of minorities within the Metro Area. Mr. Boardman said he was trying to bring out the responsibility of the CiLy as a broader unit than just the City itsel£; it did have a responsibility to the metropolitan area also as a neighbor. Chairperson Aarris asked why they were limiting it to the metro area� and suggested it read "Promote a better understanding of minorities and encourage programs which provide opportunities for•their developraent in society." MQTION by Schnabel, seconded by Shea, that the words "within the Hietro � Area" be deleted £rom D540• t)pon a voice wte, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Langenfeld� seconded by Shea, that the words "a better" be deleted from Program Objectives D510� D520� D530 and D540. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 5. CONTINUID: SECURITY GOALS AND OBJECTIVES � Mr, Langenfeld read Goal Statiement 5100, and said the first thing that came to his mind was, "how?". He said it just seemed like an impossible Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 19�7 Page 18 statement to make. Chairperson Harris said he had trouble with the term "civil wrongs". Nfr. Langenfeld suggested just saying "Assure the security � of the individual°, He said that ��security° would involve criminal acts� civil wrongs, etc. � Chairperson Harris said that with the term "civil wrongs'� in that statement he gat the feeling they would be asked to choose up sides in a neighborhood disagreement; i.e., kids running through a garden, etc. Mr. Boardman said that he was thinking more in terms o£ wrongs of the justice system itself. In other words, he said, discrimination �ainst the civil liberties of a person. �e said they would try to find a better term� and suggested �'civil injustice". Chairperson Harris suggested that they think about it as he couldn�t think oF anything o£fhand. ' MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Schnabel, that under S1I0 the second "that" tie eliminated; and under 5120 the word ��national" be changed to "natural��. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unan- imously. MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Schnabel, that the words "all elements of ° be deleted under S150, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel commented that she would like to know how they could get the justice system to respect the public; she didn't think it was possible. Mrs. Schnabel asked if there should be an objective which included in£orm- i i.ng the citizenry of safety programs available to them� such as Operation Identification� etc. She also wondered if something should be written in that would include the services that were available to people in times o£ trouble, such as the Poison Control Center� YFS� Suicide Prevention� etc. Mr. Boardman read Program Objective 5130 to the Commission� and said that he thought they were talking about that type o£ thing in there. He added that information on that type o�' thing would be included under Po2icy Development rather than Objective. Mr. Boardman pointed out that on page 23� the Program pbjective should be 5210 instead of S200. Mr. Langenfeld said that regarding page 21�, he would like to lmow how security got involved with environment, Nir. Boardman said it meant securing the environment for the resi@ents. Mr. Langenfeld read Program Objective 5330, and said he would like to see "and eliminate" deleted. Mr, Bergman suggested it read °$liminate or control...". MOTION by Langenfeld that the words "and eliminate",be deleted from 5330. Motion died for lack of a second. Mr. Bergman said that he would like to comment on Goal Statement 5300, which said "Assure the conservation and improvement o£ the environment..." �' He said he didn't know how improvement could be assured� even as a goal. Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 19 � He added that he would think that assuring the conservation was more what . they were talking about. Mr, Boardman stated that it was the continuation . of the conservation that exists, plus improvement on the existing situation. He said that could be assured through evaluating problems o£ air, water and noise control policies� pollution abatement policies, renewable and non- renewable resources and preservation of natural habitats. Chairperson Harris asked if Program Objective S311�, Preservation of natural habitats, would eliminate construction. Mr. Boardman said it would not as it didn�t say "all'� natural habitats. rfOTION by Bergman, seconded by.Langenfeld, that Program Objective 533� be chariged to read "Eliminate or control disease-carrying pests, noxious weeds and harmf�l insects". Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mr, LangenFeld read Slt3� to the Commission� and said to him that just meant getting the victims to the hospital-as quickly as possible. Mr. Boardman said they were referring to a natural disaster and the control and policing of the area so the victims could get back to their everyday� normal life pattern as quickly as possible. In other words, he said, a clean up and that type of thing after a tornado. Mrs. Schnabel said she didn't understand the term "activities". Mr. Boardman said this meant the normal functional activities of the city in general, � such as businesses returning to a normal pattern of activities. A3r. Bergman said he would have thought two different words would have been used: instead of "victims", use "casualties"; and instead of "activities", use "facilities". Iir, Boardman suggested eliminating "victims and activities" and substituting "conditions��, MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Bergman, that Program Objective S430 read as £ollows: Help £acilitate the return of conditions to a suitable productive state as quickly as possible.. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 6 RECEIVE APPEALS COTQ4ISSION hiINUTFS: JANUARY 11, 1977 MOPION by Schnabel, seconded by Langenfeld� that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes oY 3anuary 11� 19?7. Mr, iangenfeld noted that the Appeals Commission was still going after the economic feasibility versus hardship question as well as the devaluation problem. He commented that he hoped they got some help soon. Mrs. Schnabel said she had received no response yet. Mrs. Schnabel brought to the Commission's aitention the second to last paragraph on page 6 0£ the Appeals Commission minutes. She said she was � smused tonight to see that Pop Shoppes had a whole•book of signs� and the man had said they would pick the largest one they could. She stated that xas exactly what Pirs. Gabel had discovered, and they should be aware of this. Planning Commission Afeeting - January 19� 1977 Page 20 UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. � MOTION by Langenfeld that the second to last paragraph on page 6 of the Appeals Commission minutes be included in the Planning Commission minutes of January 19th so the word could get around and a few more people could be informed of the findings of the Sign ardinance Committee. Mrs. Schnabel commented that the City Council should be reading the Appeals Commission minutes anyway� as they went directly to Council. Mr, Langenfeld WITHDkEW THE MOTION. 7. RECEIVE HUMAN RFSOURCES COM1�tISSION MZTdUTES: JANUARY 6 1977 MOTION by Langenfeld, secori@ed by Shea� that the Planning Commission receive the Human Resources Commission minutes of January 6, 1977. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Mrs. Schnabel said she would like to comment that she felt it was a shame that the Planning Commission didn�t receive these minutes until the night of their meeting as they didn�t have the time to go through them, She noted that these minutes were taken January 6 and weren�t included in the packet� yet the Appeals Commission minutes were taken January llth and were included, She said she realized the seoretary had a tremendous amount of minutes to go through in this' case, but � thought it was unfortunate they didn't have the opportunity to read them all the way through because she felt there was probably a lot of interest- ing material in them. Mrs. Shea said that she had requested that these minutes wait until the next meeting so they could be included in the booklet. Mr. Langenfeld commented that the same thing happened almost all the time with F�vironmental Quality Control minutes. He said that when something like that happened� it was his asswnption that the Chairperson would indicate any highlights. 8. RECEIVE COMMIINITY DEVFSAPFSENT COA'�STSSION MINUTES: JANUARY 11 1977 MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission receive the Community Development Commission minutes of January ll, 1977. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion.carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman said that in their meeting with the Bikeway/Walkway Corru7ittee they discussed many things, and on page 6 identi£ied items of concern or consideration. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission pass on to Council the following concerns that were raised during the Bikeway/Walkway Implementation: � Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 21 � 1. The suggestion to identify a selected advertised bike day. 2. To reviex the route and intersection problem at Highway 6$ and 53� Avenue. 3. The concern for other major intersectional crossings. 1y. The suggested widening of sidewalk where bikeway joins same. 5. Commission unanimity against state licensing. 6. Request for directional arrows on bike routes. UPON A VOICE UOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr. Bergman said he had come to this meeting intending to make a motion to get secretarial help for the Sign Ordinance Committee� but he saw that had already been taken care of. OTHER BUSINFSS: Mr. Boardman brought the Commission up to date on what had happened with the East River Road Project Committee. He said that on October bth the planning Commission sent down to tYae member Cqmmissions the Parlcway Development Plan; on November i�th Human Resources acted, on November 9th Community Aevelopment acted� and on November 15th Parks and Recreation acted. He stated there had been no action taken by the Planning Comnission on those responses� and suggested that they respond at the next meeting. � Mr. Boardman informed the Corrmiission that concerning the "baby° for the Cardiopulmonary Resuscitation Programs, Bob Hughes had attended that City Council meeting and said they did not need that £or the Fridley Fire Department. Chairperson Harris said he had talked to i3r. Hughes . about a week ago and found that the problem xas they did not have the electronic recorder £or the "baby". They needed the recorder� he said� to tell them i£ the resuscitation was being done correctly to sustain human life� and that particular piece of equipment cost about $900 to $1�100. Mr. Harris stated that he thought this program was of utmost , importance� and this was where the City should provide a service. Ae said that if it cost $1,500 for a recorder, he thought that was what they ought to have. 140TI�N by Iangenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council the purchase o£ the electronic recorder to be used for the education of the citizens of Fridley. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. . Mr. Boardman said concerning the request made by the Planning Commission for recommendations £rom City Staff on the intersection of 53rd and Central Avenue, they had two recommendations. Ae showed them to the Commission and explained the di£ferences. Chairperson Harris asked how much land they would have to take to accomplish this, and i�tr. Hoardman � replied it would be a strip about 200' long by 66r. He added that they were talking in terms of a project cost oF around $10,000 -$12,000, and Planning Commission Meeting - January 19, 1977 Page 22 that was for the actual construction. He said that if they had to acquire the property it would be the acquisition on top of that. Chairperson � Harris commented that it would aertainly improve things, and asked that this be put on the agenda for the next meeting with all the pertinent information included. MOTION by $ergman, seconded by Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission continue the discussion of the proposed improvement at the intersection of S3rd and Central pvenue until the next meeting. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried�unanimously. ADJOURN24EiVT: MOTION by Langenfeld, seconded by Bergman, that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote� a].1 voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Planning Commission meeting of January 19, 1977 adjourned at 12:00 A.Pi. Respectflilly submitted, ��i�7; � �;�, irn�e �0 �.J Sherri 0'➢onnell Recording Secretary i � Y � OFFICIAL NOTICE CITY OF FRIDLEY PUBLIC HEARIfdG BEFORE T{IE PLAP�NIN6 COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the • Planning CoR¢t+ission of the City of Fridley in the City fiall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on 4lednesday, February 9, 1977 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. �77-01, Arnal Addition, by Arnold and Alvan Toevrs, being a replat of that part of the Southti•iest Quarter of the Northeast � Quarter of Section 3, T-30, P.-24, lying ldesterly of the Westerly right of way line of Burlington NortP�ern, Inc., lying Easterly of the Easterly right of way line of Ashton Avenue and lying Southerly of a line described as follows: Commencing at the intersection of the South line of the Southwest Quarter of the Northeast Quarter and the said lJesterly right of ti•�ay line; thence on an � assumec� bearing of N.18°26'10"W, along said k'esierly right of way line, 293.25 feet to the actual point of beginning; thence on a bearing of lJest, 292.20 feet to the Easterly right of way line of Ashton Avenue and there terminating, located in the North Half of Section 3, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located at 8101 Ashton Avenue N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter will be heard at this meeting. Publish: January 26, 1977 February 2, 1977 � RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION �3 CITY Ot PRIDLEY MINNESOTA PLANNING AND ZONING FORM NUhiliER��-o/ ' A�n/ctr� . R ._1 oEuIS � �iAPPGICANT'S SIGNATURE /4��/�Q��7 G{I. J 0�=u/S Address o2�D �(� �/TD � d ST.!✓`, l�ci nu v Telephone Number % � -vQ S,� D � PROPGRTY OWNER'S SIGNATURE Address 2no 1/Zae/TCnI �r- t(l-E [-KrIJ/�Y SS�ts'z �5 ���°a► TYPE OE'REQUHST Rezoning z� Special Use Permit �_ Approval of Premin- inary $ Pinal Plat Streets or Alley Vacations Other Telephone Number' ?�c7 �� p� ./ Fee j� Q�eceipt No.g+-i�7Q � Street Location of Property %�SifTO�� ��- N��-• ���Y Legal Description of Property� ,S �%Ti� /'�t,�7 ` �"� ��~ � Present Zoning Classification 111-Z Existing Use of Property U.FI•C,�'.� Acreage of Property j.S(3t.c_. Describe briefly the proposed zoning classificatio: � or type of use and improvement proposed Z,e�OLkST2i✓3�.� • Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part.of it? yes�_no. What was requested and when? The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of all residents and owners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for re2oning) must be attached to this application. (b) This application must be signed by all owners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) Responsibility for any defect in the proceedings resulting from the failure to list the names and addresses of all residents and groperty owners of property in question, 6elongs to the undersigned. A sketch of proposed proparty and structure must be drawn and attached, sho�oing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3. Dimensions of property, proposed structure, and froni and side setbacks. 4. Street Names, 5. Location and use of adjacent existing buildings (within 300 feet: •The undersigned hereby dcclares that all the facts and rep esentations stated in this application are true and correct. „ � ��— r DATFX' l / `�- 7 7 ' , � Date Filed %� /y- �7 Date of Hcaring ��y�77 Planning Commission Approved City Council Approvcd (datcs) Denicd (datcs) Denied � u . � MAIIING LIST P.S. #77-01 Arnal Addition A-1 Tool Company 160 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Keith Larson 222 18th Avenue South South St. Paul, Mn 55075 Mr. & Mrs. Frank Niznick 191 Liberty Street N:E. Fridley> Mn 55432 Ms. Gertrude Emerick 181 Liberty Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Arnold & Alvin Toews 200 Ironton 5treet N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ernest E. Cook 10354 Mississippi Blvd N.i� Coon Rapids, Mn 55433v Mr. & Mrs. Marshall Johnson 200 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Edward Bishop 212 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Bryan Kohl 220 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Narlan Erickson 175 Liberty 5treet N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Veronica J. Stenze 4435 Minnehaha Apartment �10 Minneapolis, Mn 55406 Mr. & Mrs. Howard Stine 1532 3rd Ave. South Moka, Mn 55303 Planning Commission 1-26-77 Council _ Lance W. Peterson 1625 2nd Av�ue New Port, Mn 55055 Mr. & Mrs. Gary Anderson 196 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mrt 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Jerome Sowada 243 Ely Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Raymond F. Pauser 2644 Washington Street N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55418 Mr. & Mrs. Robert Tumnel 223 Ely Street N.E. 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Nousing maintenance, • 2. Rehabilitation grants, and 3. A Rehabilitation Resource Center. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter wi11 be heard at this meeting. Publish: February 2, 1977 � RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNING COMMISSION �i ;< � sse+8 their ap�ec#+ � she vas sortv- t1 �hiie meer � . � .- ;� � �-� ' ' ;' : 3 EY �t�VIRUPiM�NTXL €t1i�H3ISSi0N "NE� F � + •;< � �� { , .daEiws 'af Dea�:gaat#ttn by the Fri�l� �� �;�#�'��t.�iver=Road a� a Farkway and EsCeh� ' 0." � ��iey.-Pa�cksray Sqstam,: for. i[s SociaX �md' £`� , ; v3�,C� fi'!�'�a��lik.Belg�mn, se¢muded �.by Willi�a Si }arr�ug2r,f$re,- Upon a voiee v�¢t � �` �; r= : '� � F1c� � ,r � . �, � � , � ��.� �i�Eo Mr. 13111 �or at���� = �e o€ [he publfc h�c� ��� "` �QT�ffiER 21, 1476• �� • � �r%s & Recreation Camnissian ..�ontrols by Ordinanee as the �ropanental Significaace < . . . . .. .h .. , that the Human Resources- �itt"River Road into a,parkway/ , ,all voting aye, the maCion iz �� �: mamwr nrmnuFU� 7 �t93f,• - ,.. t��1; mes�e�s_agreed they weze �ot infi.�sested ia the provisfon of Aights Adminiatrator fox theiF s�safon. �S HUMAN Ri6lk'�S CE�RIISSION• t�esl Chat it �1� be: of benefit if a�;l �te Caa�iasion memb�rs could ��4t t�eetiag of the Local Coomtfa�ios�;<�,November 11, 1976, sponsored �s�� A�ightg Flir�n R#ghts Caami&sicaR;. t� be held at the Caluuihia �r� et 7c30 P.m. �$.t#'�b�x-�RA21T P�U�At�t (2197): . @g���l,�liat thete is �53,000,fu_the'�tsi�3get for human services, and as y�� £ind out, the $3.,QU0 far �e;l+#.ae �irCs, Co�ittee is not .parY of �, "S,he sa;id there is ao tieae f�rae� Qn.<'t�e Mtni-grant ($5,00(f) and the :�lioukd;try to'�o� up-wfCh sa� ide�:€ot.a project for $8,6Q0. a��ied befare they do anythiag; �hm�t t��.s; ti�ep should go back<and �ws�eCa;y requeste the Caam�issimt 6a�i �de.earlier. : �' that 3t waca�`t qfficial yet, but>:�t�.�iTancy Lambert will be E�T�,�i+e.,Gamnission, acd that.�he.£�#;���6a:members should see if they ��q"� might be in�ex�sted ia �,on-, this Co�tnission. � ' �- �: ;� ; � .� . , . ` - _ ._ ..r.rr�.='�TSC$'�:;.s,:K.. - _..u�.. <..�.�:y.�-..- � ra e . . �.��' �Tt ' � r � � . ,,,. . . . > ,. . � ,� h : g:, rt ' @ ;.' � . . � �_`, 5 T. .. � ,�,�� - l : E af x. ... . � . � �4"...v. � � . _ . .. . ♦ � 6 r ...> :��: � . . � . .. .. �N.r. $ � i �1 .. �,! .. . . . . - .: . . , � �.°...�' ��� . F ���� . � �'��� � a � �.+i <= . h- < . . , ;<. � � �� s . -"�.�. _ Jz. i. . . - � . : ;�9 Y COj�UNITY DEVELOPMENT COMhiISSION MEETiNG NOVEMBER 9 1976 PAGE 2 Mr. Schneider stated that the Sign Ordinance Project Comnittee's next meeting � � fa seC for November 15, 1976. The plan for that meeting is to attempt to get through the rest of ehe alphabet. They anticipate completing the definitional . phases at that meeting, and, optimis[ically, hope to get into the specific definitions at that meeting, or, realistically, by December. - Mr, Bergman stated that due to Mr. Schneider's successful campaign for Council seat, he will be resigning €rom the Community Development Commission and also from the Sign Ordinance Project Comnittee. He suggested that Mr. Schneider should put the subject of his replacement as chairperson of the Sign Ordinance Project C�mittee on their next meeting''s agenda for the C�ittee's discussion. He asked _ - Nr. Schneider would like him to attend that meeting, Mr. Schneider stated that he would. resignation to the Conm�ission at the A. B He also stated he would submit his written next meeting to be effective December 31, 1976. 21, 1 tcecommendation on the East River Road Pro ect Committee Re ort Mr. Bergman sta[ed that he felt these two items should again be reversed and It�g � ahould be discussed first, defining whaC kind of a plan it ought to be prior to diacussing whether it should be a parkway or not. � T1r. Boardman stated that the East River Road Project Committee has put in a lot of vork, but he feels in general agreement with the Commission that he doesn't see any way that East River Road can be dropped from four lanes to two lanes, especially the area south of Mississippi Street. Mr. Schneider stated that he does feel that in any traffic plan, they shouLd attempt to minimize diversions of traffic [o that road. • Mx'. Bergman referred to key items that were discussed at the last Commission meeting, There was the question of speed limit as to whether it ought to be 30 m.p.h., or whatever the County would set (which is more like 40-45 m.p.h.), The Co�ission had some feeling on that. There is [he consideration of funding and that was touched on. The Comnission was in somewhat agreement that reducing East River Road from four lanes to two lanes in that area would be impractical. The Commission then tabled consideration on the matter until the Commission could review the latest Planning Co�nission minutes, [he Metropolitan Council's Transit Plan, the County Plan, [he Community Development Goals and Objectives, in addition to [he Task Force's Plan. �. f" V � �` � � ... _ _.��} COMMpNITX DIiVIiI,OPMENT C09iM2SSi0N MEETING NOVCNII3ER 9 1976 PAGE 3 The MetYopolitan Transit Plan vas reviewed by the Commission and ndthfng of any substantial relationship Co East River Road was found. The Co�ission then revicwed the Community Development Goals and ObjecEives. Mr. Bergman stated that Goal �5, Objectives I- 4,had some reference to the 6asC Siver Road Project. GOAL �5 PROVIDE AND MAINTAIN A HIGH LEVEL OF ACCESSIBILITY TO ALLOW FOR SAFE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE, GOODS AND SSRVICES. OBJECTIVES 1. Encourage increased pedestrian and bicycle traffic within the City. 2. Promote increased transit facilities to provide better and more convenient transportation opportunities to the public. 3. Promote a high degiee of safety in all levels of tr2nsportation. 4. Promote inproved neighborhood access wiChin the co�unity. Mr. Schneider also felt Goal �3, Objective 1, was perCinent to the East River Road Project. GOAi, �i3 DEVEi,OP, MAiNTAIN, AND ENFORCE A PLANNED, WELL BALANCED LAND USE SYSTEhf, OBJECTIVE 1. Discourage the encroachment of co�nercial and industrial development into residential areas, but allowing for develop- ment of hierarchy of services to the residential neighborhoods. ' Mr. Schneider stated that maybe what the Coaimission's motion with regard to the East River Road project should be is a two-phase motion--a "short term" reco�endation (next ten years), and a"long tei�" reco�endation (ten years and beyond). Mr. Boardman stated he agreed with P1r. Schneider--that this whole thing should be handled in tcao stages. The first stage is that portion of East River Road south of Mississippi Street, and the second stage is that portion nnrth of Mississippi Street. He thinks south of Mississippi Street is the short range deteYmination as to how to handle the present traffic loads within that area, acceptin� the fact that AIississippi is either going to channel off or increase ttaffic flow with the underpass on to East River Road, With the signalization improvement on Mississippi and University which is coming up next year, it will i �- «,. $ � •� COMMUNITY DEVELOI'M�iNT COMMISSION MEETING,'NOVEMBER 9, 1976 PAGE'4" -` �i '�` make it a little easier to get from Mississippi.on to University, It is going to do some things on East River Road South. The portion north of Mississfppi aeeds additional study and should be a long range determination. � . The Camnission reviewed the "Comprehensive Development Plan", Transportation section, as adopted July 2, 1973. Mr. Boardman stated he coutd see the poinC of the East River Road Project Co�itCee somewhat; however, he doesn't think by stopping development south of Mississippi for safety reasons will handle the situation north of Mississippi. The oniy thing that would handle [hat would be by lowering speed limits in that area and strictly enforcing those speed limits. Mother thing would be to designate specific traffic ingress roads along there and either mark them with a four-way stop or mark them with signalizaeion. He doesn't know how the County would react to this. He said he doesn't feel that East River Road south of Mississippi is a residential street. Mr. Bergman suggested that the best application for a 30 m.p.h. speed control would be north of Mississippi, rather than south of Mississippi. Mr. Schneider stated he had to agree with Mr. Boardman that there is no way at this point in time that East River Road should go from four lane to two lane. He does think they should do what they can to &iscourage more traffic flowing on to East River Road and seriously consider lowering the speed limit, and doing whatever else is possible (at least north of Mississippi) to try shielding the residential area from the road. He said he realizes Chere is a land problem. ?fr. Bergman stated that another consideration on this is, with the advent of the Northtown Corridor which will naturally tend to reduce the traffic an East River Road, then something of a more residential character would be more practical. .i MOTION by Dennis Schneider, seconded by Flilliam Forster, that the Coortnunity Development Commission recormnends for the near term future (next ten years) that Bast River Road remain a four-lane highway, but that the additional traffic channelization, left-turn lanes, increased signalization, and reduced speed limit be implemented. The purpose for this.recommendation for four lanes is that the Co�ission feels there are not adequate additional roads in Fridley at this time to take the additional traffic flow as a result of a reduction to two lanes; but ia order to provide for safety considerations, signalization and channelization be implemented in order to resolve citizen concerns with which the Couunission• is basically in agreement. Further, that the proposed speed reduction would further help resolve the concerns of the citizens. Be it further recommended that a study as to the feasibility of providing visual and acoustical buffering north of Afississippi Street on East River Road be undertaken by City Staff in their "Comprehensive Transportation Plan". � � � : �� . �• - COMMUNITY DEVGLOPMCNT CQt�NITSSIOM MEETING, NOVEMBER 9, 1976 PAGE 5 �� �"� Hr. Schneider stated that it should be noted that from what they have seen, the v� Metrnpolitan Council plans do tend to bear aut the East R3ver Aoad Project Committee's contention. He thinks the real question is the time frame invt+lved, � and"this whole thing,should be reviewed again aC some later point in time. 11Yi1N A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTTON CARRZED UNANIMOUSLY, The Commission agreed that there was no need to specifically cover Item 1 at, this time. . Mr. Schneider s[ated that if, in the next een years, the Northtown Corridor gces in, that it would be reasonable to pursue it at that point in time. DISCUSSION ON STATUS OF THE BIKGWAY/WALKWAY PROJECT COMNIITTEE: l�ir. Boardman stated he had not had a chance to talk to Councilman Fitzpatrick about anyone to fill the vacancy of the one member of the BikewayfWalkway Project Committee. He gave 2ir. Bergman the names of Ms, Helen Treuenfels and Ms. Donna Kos, who had helped on the Bikeway/:lalkway survey and who lived in the right area. Hr. Schneider stated he had a concern about the Bikeway/�dalkway project. He has talked to a great number of people in the last couple of months, and the people feel the City has taken more or less a halfway appxoach on the Bikeway/Walkway sysEem. Mr. Schneider stated we stxrted to implement the thing by striping the �, roads, but we haven't follocu�d the recommendations with Yegard to the amount of signing. The Council hasn`t followed up on the plan cvith regard to crdinance changes that were requested. H� stated we may have created a halfway situation --�' whexe aur main objective, safety, is being forwarded, and which is more dangerous than no system. � �' � Mr. Boardman stated that Staff did have an ordinance all set up and ready to go and then some new stata regulations came. Since that time it has been in Jim Hill's area, the Police Department. 4dhat is going to happen there, he said he is not sure. Mr. Schneider stared one of the problems is the bike educational program for the kids and the adults, Mr. Boardman stated that theg are doing an education program through the Police Department caithin the schools. A[ least tt�rough the schools, they are able to reach the kids, and they are trying to reach the adults through the City Newsletter. A lot oi the educa[ion will have [o take place after they get an ordinance. Mr, Schneider stated he felt that the things heing brought up were related to getting Staff to implement w1�aC was approved as far as the plan, k;r, Boardman stated Staff is implementing as far as they can implement at this time, � CR""' t%1 ^ ,_�. '� i � .. . .... . - _. . .. . .. . .. :. .: r" . : , , . � ��3 ty''� t. . . . . . . . y. .... � m:� P11RKS 6F.$$�HPATI� COTAQSSION I�ETIN6 NOVE!ffiER 15 1976 PAGE 7 �� � x � ., : !!�. �sQm stated there is also a philosophy atatemenC that was dever�op� aroer � a��.,�ge by��the� C�mission that vreat up to Plaaa#ag--Co�iesion and t�ea�"r�raa seat � ost Ess��C3.Ey C�mci1. �i . " l�it..`$ca�dYaau staYed he was not avare this philosophy statement vss available. Mr. Peteraon,stated he felt it vould be vell to hold this discussioa until the aexi meeting to give Mr. Boudresu a chance to Look at vhat the Cammission 3,s Lallcis�g about and what the Caaoission did a year ago. Se suggested Mr. Boudreau get together with Staff. . 1�� ga�dreau stated this vas just a"thought piece" snd he would be happq to hold it:natil he fiads out more about the historical background oa the "philosophical •'state�ent".t;at was developed last year. PSN B� S� . � A: Bast Hiver Road Project : Mr. Boardmen ezplained to the Com�ission a little about the East River Rosd Prpject. First of all, the East Eiver Eoad Project Camdttee was established by the Fridleq Hmriranmeatal Cau�dssion. Sihen the Project Cammittee came out with t.�eir report, the Fridlep Environmental Co�ission made a motion that Sast River . - Aoad be declared as a parkway a� therefore develop uader the Parks b Recreation Car�aission as far as the governing and the controlling of it. That was part of flfR motion; the other part of the motion vas to recommend approval of the Project � Committea's report ae far as developing Hast River Boad as a two-lane road with 1efL.and sight hand tssrc►s with aa island down the center. This has also gone to the Co�itq Developmeat Cammission aad Human Resources Co�issioa. Coamiunity ` Davelopment Coomiasion reco�ended against the Project Coumittee's report on the devplct(+met►t of a two-lane road and also reco�eaded that it be analyzed to further deCail in a comprehensive transportatian plaa. !!r; Paterson stated that as a m�ber of Planaing Co�iss3oa and Chairperaon of thia Co�iasion, he objecied to the Project Cammittee's report when it was presented . to t6e Planning Commission. He felt Che Project Co�ittee 6ad gone way beyond its icape of its charter and it had gone iato an area that made it aound like it was #ke govaroment of the city speaking vhen it vas citizens. When the Project Committee pss; questioned as to the scope of these citizens, there vas no ome from other areas oLi�r thaa the East River Hoad area. He stated it was the Co�issioa's decision if thay t+sated to take any action aa it. '!A�lIfAi bq Dave Harris, seconded by Hasvey Wagar, that the Yarks � Recreation Cmmisaioa dces not concur with the rece�eodation that East River Road be a parkway aad that the Co�moiasion dcea not coacur with the recomeodation oa the ehasging of the eraffic pattern an Hast Hiver 8asd. , ' � '. � � + - . t. . . ,� . , . , � _ ... . _ . . :°: ..___.. . _ . __ �. ... __._... ..._ ... . _.._.__ _ . . �... . _...:�.... , . . . . _ • . _ . _... _ ' _.. . .. . _. : . .• _. , , ... . ._. _, ,... ,�.:-...._,.... � '_:�. � .; :�_ � . . , ,. ��, .: . ;_ � �� ��r PARRS ._��ON COPAtISSION t�ETING NO'�EMBER 15 1976 PkGE 8 . + ' � 1�,, sCated ahe feels, �s a Parka fr xeoreatioa Cammisaion member, that tba'��isiim"awes it to itself to talk abocst parkvays. She said the Camwisaion aeeds:ta look autside its boundaries as ather cities have done and she feels Hinneaptk7;is has been a-fiae leader. The Co�fssiou ahould not close its mind and they-sfiould do some research into it. She said she doesn't think the Ca�s�ion has ever discussed what a parkway can do for a park system and what �nds of`things they could benefit from iC. She said we have a fine river which has aot been utilized aad we have East Biver Road vhich is a beautiful,curvy driveway. Ms. Seeger stated she had talked to a TIs. Susan Bell of the Minneapolis Ystk Spstem, who encouraged Ms. Seeger to have a speaker speak to the Co�ission app what a psrkway caa do for Fridley, what the costs vould be, what the benefits �uld be, aad the disadvantages. She said she vould like to see aome consideratioa . °abput parkways as input iato this body. � UPO�i A WICE 901ti, PETEBS021, H6B81S, i�lAiGAB, V�II�G A48, 'SBEGER VOTING NAY, THE I�STi� CARBIHD. . 8. Saowmobile Trails in the Cit Mt, Boudreau stated that he wae aslced the queatian of whether the Coum�issian is �going to reco�end areas for snoWmobiling as was done ia the p8at. That would be - Mooze I.ake, Locice Park, aad Locke Lake. Mr.!Peterson stated that last year the Coc�isaion talked about Locke Yark, and Lecauae of a bad eacperience at Locke Yark, be thought the Commission had acted or � vere in favor of developing an ordinance to not �ave saoummobiliag in Locke Park. � ?Sr. Soadreau stated there are nome pros and caas on wt►ether to have snowmobiling . ` in tbe City of Pridley. There is the aeriation system on the east side of Moore yate vhere the snowmobilers might cross the east side to get to the west side. �nd there are alvays problems along Locke 1ake. 1Sr, Harris stated he would like to have a reca�endation fram Staff come back to LLe,Comkissioa on whether or aot to have sno�obiling ia Fridley. !h, Peterson stated ?Ir. Baudresu should also talk to Dan Huff for empirical data an.it because Daa Huff did a study for the Co�ission• Mt,:Boudresu stated he would hold this over until the aext meeting and came back -,. vith a recoomendatian fsom Staff. �_. _:.. . . ,_ __ ' : - ,°, ;�' ;�.'C. iToadcrest BaPtist Church Hequest =- . ''. Mr,'Boudrtau stated he had a request fram the Roodcrest Baptist Church to utilize Locke Pasfic's soccer field next year during the moaths of September and October � fram 3-5 p.m. every daq.. The Commiasion decided they vould not take any action oa this request until the Cteffic problem vae solved on the crossiag on 69th Street fram Woodcrest Baptist t�urch,to Locke Park. . . . s � , 3 Y �• : ��. . . . � . , ,, . t� � . ' 7: ij�7 . � . • . . . • , . �C ... .. • UI•�i i � �- q ;.,.+:�- . � o � v� ' • ;, i. , �r a, u •p � � � .• Ci � � . • . . W ••' '' !? _ � 1 :� �7 ri . �' �`__ ,[i _�-.�. uQ � :1.. . . tlf . � a `t � tj i n:1 t . , . , . 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U � p LL" . ;;,�m �, PRUGRAM NARRATIVE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEEDS AND OBJECTIVES Need: Assure safe and healthful conditions in all housing and encourage consideration of the qualities of privacy, comfort and other amenities. Need: Promote the preservation and upgrading of existing residential property through elimination of substandard housing and providing an economical means for improving an owner's property without compromising the essential needs of the owner`s family. Objective: Policy Development and Implementation Plan (From Comprehensive Housing Plan; see Attachment A). DESCRIP7ION OF PROJECT ACTIVITIES . _ �, The development and enforcement of a Nousing Maintenance Code- $24,�00 This program will provide for the development of a Housing Maintenance Code and its enforcement within primary focus neigh6orhoods #1 and #2, as : laid out in the Comprehensive Housing Plan. It will entail approximately A09 residential structures and 664 households. Approximately 48% of the househo7ds in these 2 neighborhoods are low or moderate income households. 2. The development of a Rehabilitation Grant Program �$100,000 _____ ___—�_�.hi.s_.prQgram_wil_1 provide grants for rehabilitation of housing in _ .__- - _primary focus areas #1 and #2, as laid out in the Comprehensive Nousing � Plan. The grants wi1T be directed primarily to those households iving • on lot and moderate incomes, and will supplement the Rehabilitation Loan Program and Section 8 Program, already operating in the community. 7he Program will also correspond to the 1976 Street Improvement Program in primary focus area #2 and the 1978 5treet Improvement Program scheduled for focus area �1. 3. The development and operation of a Housing and Maintenance Resource Center and Workshop - $6,000 This program will provide important information regarding rehabilitative construction and maintenance of housing units and also workshops for the benefit of the resident. This program would be a reqitirement for anyone receiving grant monies under the proposed Rehabilitation Grant Pro9ram and would be open to everyone. Location of .Project: The attached map shows primary focus areas #1 and #2 wherein enforcement of the City's Housing Maintenance Code would be emphasized and the City's Rehabilitation Grant Program would be centered. These primary focus areas contain relatively large concentrations of deteriorating housing and low-to-moderate income families. The proposed Housing Maintenance Resource Center would be operated out of Fridley's Civic Center building at 6431 University Avenue N.E., with copies of materials at the Fridley branch of the Anoka County Library. Any files would be maintained by the City's InspeCtor and,(or Planning Dept. ... ��l� � J Program Narrative (Page 2) Proposed Activites to Receive Single Rating pursuant to Section 507.402. (c)(3)(vii) of the program regulations. PROGRAM BENEFITS �ected Benefits: The projects descri6ed will improve the.quality of li e and env�ronment in Fridley. Enforcement of a Housing Maintenance Code, together with the Housing Rehabilitation 6rant and existing loan program would help reduce the amount of substandard housing in the City. A reduction of such housing would move the City toward the attainment of its objective of "Assure(ing) safe and healthful conditions ir all housing and encourage(ing) consideration of the qualities of Qrivacy, comfort, and other amenities". Public improvements to the primary focus areas and the upgrading of housing in these same areas will improve the comnunity's aesthetics. Relationshi of Pro osed Activities to Needs: The proposed Housing Maintenance ode and Rehabilitation as well as the existing Low-Interest Loan Program) would significantly decrease the amount_of substandard housing in the City. '? Sixty-two of the City's 227 substandard housing units are in Primary Focus Areas #1 and �2; approximately 48% of the households in these areas are living on low-moderate incomese _.2rimarv Beneficiaries: Most of the City's low-moderate income families live .n_�the Ci±y�rimary Focus Areas, particularly #1 and �2. A 1975 housing survey indicates that much of the City's deteriorating housing is also in these ,areas. The stated need is of concern to most of the City's low-moderate income families. The letting of rehabilitatian grants and the development of a housing maintenance resource center will make it possible for homeowners in the low and moderate income group5 to make repairs to their homes whose cost would ordinarily be prohibitive to them. � - A7TACNMENT A _, �&.- POLICY DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION PLAN: REVISION 3/5/76 POLICY DEVELOPMENT Currently available data indicates that while the quality of housing in Fridley is generally good, the City will face servious challenges in the future due to changes in the population. These challenges should be met with action in three areas: 1. Neighborhood preservation, 2. Housing assistance, 3. Land use evaluation, and Zoning Code review. The City should direct its primary efforts toward neighborhood preservation. ' ` Neighborhood Preservation A prime consideration for the development of an effective and viable neighborhood preservation program is that the residents of any given neighborhood in the community feel that they are a part of that neighborhood and that they can have a measurable impact on its operation and livability. Fo that end, the City shouTd direct its efforts toward defining its neigh- borhoods and_strengthening_tfieir v-isua7, physical, and social cohesiveness. T. The City should establish a housing maintenance code and provide for adequate enforcement of it. 2. The City should ensure that public improvements (e.g, repaving streets, replacing curbs and gutters, updating street lighting, etc.) be made continually, particularly in neighborhoods that are part of preservation programs. Many communities have already included public improvements in their neighborhood preservation programs and have found that they provide an impetus for residents to make improvements on their own properties. 3. The City should develop a resource center on housing maintenance and rehabilitation for City residents. This resource center should include information helpful to homeowners in doing their own maintenance and files of persons, companies, and organizations with expertise in housing. This information should be readily available to the public. 4. The City, in cooperation with churches, civic organizations, etc., should sponsor and organize home maintenance and improvement workshops for its residents. _ ____ '�e° -: , � 5. The City should continue the development and construction of Fridley's Bikeway/Walkway System as well as the study of other transportation forms necessary to increase the accessibility of tfie City's residential neighborfioods, business concerns, educational facilities, etc. Housing Assistance �! 1. The City should pranote a housing rehabilitation loan and grant fund in I order to provide low interest loans ( 3% - 6% } and grants to City residents unab7e to afford conventional home improvement loans. 2. The City should use HUD Section 8 funds to help supplement its suppty of low and moderate income housing units. The use of rent subsidies to _provide low and moderate income housing would help to promote the devel- ___.__apment of a balanced population mixture in the City. 3. The City should continually review existing federal, state, and local programs for comnunity development funds. Land Use Evaluation and Zoning Code Review 1. The City should reevaluate current land uses in Fridley in order to determine whether there is an adequate balance between coirmiercial, industrial, and residential land uses in the community. The City must realize that its zoning policies have a great impact on the long-range development of Fridley. It should therefore examine each development proposal in the light of its effects on the quality of life in Fridiey and the Metro region. 2. The City should review its residentia} zuning codes (R-1, R-2, R-3) and determine whether or not they are viable means for ensuring human scale in tfie City's residential developments. � � �, IMPLEMENTATION 1. The City should make application to HUD for Caimunity Development funds. These funds can be used ta develop and operate a number of programs including: a. A housing and maintenance code. b. Housing maintenance resource centers and workshops. c. Housing rehabilitation loan and grant programs. 2. •Lhe City should apply for Minnesota Finance Agency funds to be used in making low interest home rehabilitation loans. 3. The City should make application for Section 8(rent subsidies) funds. The Gity should contract with Metro HRA to make the application and handle accounting procedures. The City staff would make any necessary � client contacts, empla,y�nent checks and building inspections. Funds would be allocated by Metro Council for these administrative costs. ; , �. , .� ; �_.- _ _._-- � i_ - -- _ _ _ __ _ �. _. .. __ ._ _. �._ ... _ . ' .� V__ . .. __"_" „_'___ _�__.__ __. �_.. . . __ _... � _ .. �___ �... . .-�._ I '_ J � F �. n m No. 6 �vtap �'-� �� h � j� 3,; ST .- �_ P91M�RY C �lCOI�G�OV FOCYB �Rf�B ?�>� SECONOP.RY �� � PRIMARY - ���� �: o : : . { ,, . _ e � q x � .i.r ����. ��. j.. F� �<� _ � °'� �. . <� a>o \ � °' t �� r ,�i e , . �e� �' ,N�a� �I. wf . _ _ i s 3 '�' vneK �'�.il , � ...' 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ROI.L CALL: Members Present: Harris, Bergman� Peterson (arrived 8:15), Schnabel, Shea Members Absent: Others Present; I.angenfeld Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING CONIMTSSION MINUTES: JANUARY 19, 1977 MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission minutes of January 19, 1977 be approved. Mrs. Schnabel noted that on page 11, the third paragraph� there should be a co�ns after the Word "continuing". UPON A vOICE VOTS, all voting sye, the motion carried unanimously. 1. PUBLIC HEARING: tti Ait1VVLU AIYL ALVAIV '1U�WSf 13e7.IIg a replat oY that p8T't of the SW � oP t e NE of Section 3, ying Westerly of the Westerly right of way line of &�rlington Northern� Inc.� lying Easterly of the Easterly right of ray line of Ashton Avenue and lying Southerly of a line described as follows: Commencing at the intersectian of the South line of the SW � o£ the NE � and said Westerly right of way line; thence on an assumed bearing of N. 18°26�10"W, along said Westerly right of v�y line 293.25 feet to the actual point of beginning; thence on a bearing of West 292,20 feet to the Fasterl,y right o£ vay line of Ashton Avenue, and there terminating, the same being 8101 Ashton pvenue N.E. MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Pla¢uling Commission open the Azblic Hearing on Proposed Freliminary Plat P.S. #77-01, ARNAL ADDITION, By Arnold and Alvan Toews. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Fub13c Hearing open at 7:l�IA P.M. Mr. A1 Toews was present and stated that Arnal Addition did not need all the land they had, but their neighbors, Berkeley Pump Company� needed more room and wented to b�y 1� acres. He esplained this had never been recordest �: Planning Cormnission Meeting - February 9, 1977 Page 2 ad being private property, so this xas what they had to do. Mrs. Schnabel asked if Berkeley Pump had ever attempted to purchase this property before, and Mr. Toexs replied that this �as the first time. Mrs. Schrla�el said the reason she xas questioning t6is vas she lmew Berkeley Purnp had a request for a variance coming through the Appeals Commission on that same property, and Mr. Toerrs said he was auare of that. Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Toews lmev iY it was the intention o£ Berkeley Pump to put an addition on, and he replied that he didn't think it was their plan to add on. Mr. Toevs added he didn't imov if they could add on if they wanted to because there was an easement involved, Chairperson Harris said a site plan had been submitted to the City from Berkeley Pump dated January 31, 19%7, which showed a proposed addition. He noted that it was zoned Industrial. Mrs. Schnabel said that in reference to this, the existing building vas on Lots 3� !� and $, and at one point they had franted a permit to add on to the West side of that building. She explained they vere denied that permit, but were granted a permit to add on to the North side o£ the building. Chairperson Harris said it appeared from the plat that Berkeley had taken into account the 10' drainage and utility easement on the Easterly side o£ the property. He noted the property vas an acre and a half, so it did con£orm with the aoning requirements. Mrs. Schnabel pointed out this had been rezoned to M1 in 1974. After some discussion on if the zoning was M1 or M2� Mr. Bergman said it should go into the minutes that this was being considered an M1 property. Mr. Bergman asked wkat the variance xas £or� and Mrs. Schnabel explained it vas a setback variance to reduce the building setback from 100� to 73'. 1[UTION by Schnabel� seconded by Shea� that the Planning Commission close ✓ the Public Hearing on Propose�Preliminary Plat P.S. #77-01, Arnal Addition, by Arnold and Alvan Toews. Upon a coice vote, all voting �ye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 7;58, MOTION by Shea, seconded by Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend to Council approval of Proposed Preliminary Plat, P.S. �/77-01, Arnal Addition, by Arnold and Alvan Toews: Being a replat of that part of the SW � of the NE � o£ Section 3, lying Westerly of the Westerly right o£ rr�y line oF Burlington Northern, Inc.� lying Easterly of the Easterly right of way line of Ashton Avenue and lying Southerly of a line described as follows: Commencing at the intersection oF the South line o£ the SW 4 0£ the NE � and said Westerly right of vay line; thence on an assumed bearing o£ N.18°26�10"W� along said Westerly right of way line 293.25 feet to the actual point oF beginning; thence on a bearing of West 292.20 feet to the Easterly right of way line of Ashton Avenue, and there terminating, the same being 8101 Ashton 4venue N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voti.ng aye, the motion carried unanimously. � Planning Commission Meeting - February 9, 1977 P�e 3 2. PUBLIC HEARING: COMMUNITY DEVEL(1PMMStiiT BIACA GRAtiT PREAPPI,ICATION MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Schnabel, that tk�e`P3:anning Cfliri�iission open the Public Hearing on the Coimminity Development Block Grant Preapplication. Upon a voice vote, all voting sye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing open at 8:02. Mr. Ned Storla was present. Mr. Boardman explained to the Commission that in 19611 the Office of Housing and Urban Develo�snent grouped all o£ their funding possibilities into one lump sum and called i� a Block Grant, instead oP having twelve or thirteen separate grants. Out of that �lock �rant� he continued, were entitlement cities and discretionary flmds; the entitlema�t cities got an sutomatic grant out of those Block Grant monies, and the discretionary funds were then opted for by all other bodies that want to try to get monies. Mr. Boardman said that xhat they were going through now vas the preapplication-- this is an application to AUD to see if they could get invited to make application for monies. Mr. Boardman informed the Commission that a public information meeting had been held about a week ago on the preapplication form as to what type of projects vere eligible £or funding and this type of thing. Ne said that actually there were three categories� but the tsro that tirere o£ mai.n concern were: 1. Acquisition of real property for redevelopment, parks, or any other public purpose permitted by state and local law. 2. Acquisitd�on�construction or recoastruction of public works such as neighborhood and coimmmity centers, streets, street 1$ghts, wells, water and sever lines, and pedestrian malls. He said that some of the other eligible activities were code enforcement; demolition, clearance or rehabilitation o£ buildi.ngs; relocation costs; and administrative expenses. Mr. Boardman explained that the application xas judged according to a certain 100 point scale process� and the criteria by irhich the preapplications vere judged �rere mainly based on lox and moderate income housing statistics. Mr. Bergman asked if that meant if a city had enough lov and moderate income hot�sing they would have a better chance of getting money, and Mr. Boardman said that was right. Mr, Boardman said there vere five criteria for selection. The £irst one was based on the extent and percentage oP poverty end substandard housing, and a city could get 20 points maximiun. He explained that five poi,nts vould be al,cardad for each of the following factors; 1. ESctent (number o£ poverty persons)� 2. Percentage of poverty persons, 3. E7ctent (number) of substandard housing units� and 1�. Percentage of substandard housing units. Mr. Eoardman said that each city xas based on every other community in the �R, Planning Co�nission Meeting - February 9� 1977 Page !t metropolitan arsa, and got a certain number oP points on that scale. Mr, Boardman stated that the second ar�for criteria vas the benefit of the project to lox and moderate income families� vith 35 points maximum. The third ciiter�;, he said� was the expansion and conservation of low or moderate income housing stock, with a maximum of 25 points. The fourth uas if there was a condition which Has a serious ihreat to health or safety and the project did something to prevent that (10 points maximwn), and the last was that points xould be awarded when the funds xould be used in combination rrith funds from other Federal or State sources (10 points ma�cimum}, Mr. Boardman said that the activities that had been set up for the pre- application vere mainly: l. The denelopment and enforcement of a Housing Maintenance Code - $2l�,000. 2. The development of a Rehabilitation Grant Program -$100,000. 3. The development and operation of a Housing and Maintenance Resource Center and Workshop - $6,000. He stated that there were several stipulations; the grant couldn't be directed toward a city-wide operation� it had to be directed to more o£ a neighborhood operation; and eny rehabilitation grants or loans had to be done in connection with some city work in the area� such as a street improvement program. He said the grants could be tied in rrith a street improvement program if the program had been doae a year before or scheduled for a year ahead. Mr. Boardman stated that i.n Primary Focus Area II a street improvement project had gone through last year, and in the f�yde Park area (Primary Focus Area I}, a street improvement program xas scheduled for next year, so those txo focus areas vould fit srithin the criteria of rehabilitation. Mrs. Shea asked if the compiled statistics xexe based on the whole city or just the certain areas that rrould receive the money. Mr. Boardman said that the criteria was for within the areas. Mr. Bergman xondered how many oY the public attended the public meeting held last week� and Mr. Boardman said there xere about ].!i people� three oF which were not connected with government. Mr. Bergman noted that there xould be a preapplication made to the State Office of the Federal HUD Department for $2lt,006 for the development and enforcement of the Housing Maintenance Code. He said that the City had already spent siz months or more developing this code� and asked if they were already spending some of that $21t,000. Mr. Boardman said no, that the monies would be strictly for the enforcement of the Housing Mai.ntenance Code. I3e said they couldn�t get money to pay for something they had already done. Mr. Bergman asked i£ there was some history that said proceeding with the development of a Hnusing Code at city expense and then requesti.ng £unds for Planning Commission Meeting - February 9� 1977 P�e 5 the enforcement of same had a more successful ring to it (stood a better chance of getting the money) than holding off on the development and request- ing financing for both. Mr. Boardman co�nented that it xas hard to say, but he thought they did look more favorably on something that already had money spent on it as they wanted to make sure the project was of£ the ground. Chai.rperson Harris said that something about this bothered him, and asked Mr. Boardman to go over the Focus Points again. Mr. Boardman explained that Focus Area I was North oP Holid�y Village between Hain Street and University up to 61st (the F�yde Park area), and Focus Area II was 61st io 53rd between 7th And University. Chairperson Harris asked if those were priority one and txo, and Mr, Boardman said that was correct. Mr. Harris said that it seemed to him that this proposal may be contradictory to Focus Area I in its present zoning. Mr. Hoardman said that only about half o£ that vas zoned Commercial, if that, and at least half was still residential and was zoned as such. Mr. Harris said that until they got that situation straightened out one way ar another� mqybe they ought to delete the C2 area from the Focus Area. Mrs. Schnabel said she disagreed with that. She stated there was residenti� in the C2 that was really goi.ng to ruin because those people couldn't get any kind lf loans to rehabilitate their housing. Chairperson Harris said the problem was they were running contradictory to the zoning codes by doing this. Mrs. Schnabel said if the C2 wasn�t included in the program for rehabilitation, she rras afraid that area would get even worse and the surround- ind areas wouldn't improve their property, either. Mr. Hoardman stated that they were really not going in contradiction to what the zoning or�ilmance said. He added that upgrading or rehabilitating the property tras allo�ed� but the use could not be expanded. Chairperson Harris said the thing that disturbed him was he felt they vould be perpetuating the situation down there iY they did this. He said that if they kept promoting rehabilitation and upgrading o£ the residential area, it never would go to C2. Mr. Bergman commented that it sounded io him like an example jrhere a city administration-sponsored rezoning might be a wise move. Chairperson Harris said he discussed that xith some Council persons and the consensus of opi.nion was that before the City would initiate a rezoning action there� they would like to see a petition from the affected residents and get their £eelings. He said it seemed like they were running kind of contradictory here; i£ they were going to preserne the integrity o£ a residential neighborhood it would be one thing, but it was not really a residential neighborhood. Mr. Boardman said it was a residential neighborhood as the existing use vas. Mrs. Schnabel asked xhat the proportion of residential versus coiraaercial was in that C2 area� and Mr. Boardman said it was about 80% residential. Mr. Bergman asked how they ever got single family in a C2 zone. Mr. Boardman explained that it xas zoned R3, then in 1968-19b9 the residents along there petitioned £or a rezoning to Commercial thinking that they could sell their property for great profits. He added that they had a consultant do a report on that and he recotmnended against Co�nercial zoning in there� but the City Planning Co�ission Meeting - February 9� 1977 Page 6 Council at that time did their own study on it end came up �rith the exact opposite, and rezoned it Coirmiercial. Mr. Peterson asked hov deep the C2 was Prom 51st, and Mr. Boardman replied about a block and a half deep. Mr. Peterson said he traveled that street quite a b3t and found it hard to believe that that property would ever be choice residentSaal area. He added he thought there was some justi£ication for leaving 1t�Commercial. He said there xas quite a bit o£ traffic and noise in that area� and it xas going to contESnue to be a problem. He further added that it was not an R1 area by definition in terms oY what they felt people should be living in. Chairperson Harris adimnented that there vas quite a bit of Commercial in there whei he stopped to think about it, and he was uncertain about this whole deal. Mr. Peterson stated that in his mi.nd that was not R1 property, and they were just kidding themselves because people were not going to be happy irith the noise on University. Chairperson Harris said that maybe xhat they should be doing is looking at this as some other zoning. Mr. Bergman said 3t urould seem odd to him, if he Kas HUD, to receive a request to aid housing that was on property that had just recently been re2oned to Co�mnercial. He said he thought something ought to change, although he wasn't sure what. Chairperson Harris said that was ithat had been bothering him. Mrs. Schnabel said she thought that the City should make up its mind which wqy they wanted to go xith this area, and if they didn�t xant to rezone it back to R3 then it was useless to go through this application. Mr. Boardman comm@nted that he thought the City had put quite a burden on those people; they had come in to get it rezoned, and the City shouldn't have gone along rrith them. He said the City should have used its better judgement, based on the consultant's reports, and not rezoned it Coimnercial. He stated that the road patterns were poor and not geared toxard Commercial property, so if the City xanted that to go xith Conanercial property they would have to take initiative on it through street improvement. Mr, Boardman added that if the City went along with the scheduled street improvem�nt plan in triat area with the road pattern that vas presently there, it would practically kill eny Commercial develo�ent in that area. A4rs. Schnabel said that she felt that the residents in the area living in owner-occupied homes had something at stake, and that was their neighborhood xas deteriorating and that deterioration was encroaching on those o�.mer- occupied homes. She said that somehoW or other those people would like to have that area preserved and upgraded to protect their oxn property. Chairperson Harris suggested that perhaps they should be looking at a special zoning for that area. Mr. Boardman said at present there were three zones there: R2 primarily along blst; R3, which was the balance of property between MaineStreet and 2� Sireet; and Commercial i.n the inverted "I," shape bordering University. Mr. Hergman said that one clean approach vould be to limit this application to the presently zoned Eesidential portion of the block� but Mrs. Schnabel Planning Commission Meeting - February 9, 1977 Page 7 disagreed. She said there were private family dwellings that were being rented out that were in the Co7mnercially zoned area, and that was the area that was determorating so badly. She asked if they Wanted to let it just Pall apart triith the hope that those people would sell their property commercially. Mr. Peterson commented that if the area xas upgraded there would still be problems because of the traffic noise, and Chairperson Harris added that if it was upgraded it would just perpetuate the situation. Mr. Bergman said he thought it xas a zoning question. He said that ii the zoning shown on a map was good zoning, then they should face up to it. Chair- person Harris asked whoever said it was good zoning, and said that maybe what they needed Was something like a..planned unit development. Mr. Boardman stated that if the City went along with Co�nercial, the anly w�y Coimnercial would develop srould be xith a renewal project. The City would have to purchase the property, bulldoze it dotim, and put it up for sale srith a nev road pattern. He said that the units that are along a lot of that Coimnercial property are apartment buildings--buildings on a Conmiercial property that would have to be torn dojrn in order to rebuild. He continued that the lot situation in the area xas an old plat type thi.ng� similar to the Onawqy area, and the street pattern was poor Por Commercial development, Mrs. Schnabel said that iY the City applied for a Block Grant and it became lmorm that monies were available for rehabili�tion� some people would take advantage o£ it and some xould choose not to. 5he said that there may be a number of those particular dvellings that xere getting in poor condition, and those owners might choose not to apply for a loan on the chance they could still sell the property for a co�mnercial venture. She stated that those residents who did decide to apply xould have to be aware of the type of zon�ng they had and that there ras a possibility ihat ihere xas a chance that co�mnercial property may go in. �She said she didn't necessarily thin(� they should eliminate that area from the rehabili�tion program, but thought the people living there had to be axare of vhat their zoning problem was. Mr. Boardman commented that he thought there would be a point in the near Puture when the City would have to make a commitment in that area either one way or another. He said the i�yde Park issue had been brought up time and time agai.n, and a study had been done a couple of years ago to see how it should be developed. Mr. Boardman said the City would have to make a decision on it at some point in time, and if they were going to go �rith Coirmiercial they should start taking a look at redevelo�nent in the area. He said that if they don�t srant redevelopment in the area, they will have to face up to the fact that it will never be Commercial, but would be a real mess. Mr. Bergman said he di �t�t beliene the City would ever make a conenitment. He thought that if anything changes it vould be because a co�rmiercial developer came along and wanted that property to develop. Mr. Boardman said that the problem with that was it waa not good planning and Sras not good for the City� and they would end up with a mix of uses in there that were not necessarily good neighbor uses. Mrs. Shea commented that she thought the City would have to decide within the next month which way they wanted that area to go. Planning Commission Meeting - February 9� 1977 Page 8 Mr. Hergman said he thought the problem xas they were talking about puttmng money into R1 and R3 property in a present C2 zone. He said he did feel fairly comfortable with the thought that as far as the preapplication grant went, it should xiot include requesting money to put into residential property in a present and recently rezoned C2 area. Mr. Boardman said he thought they could safely maintain this application mainly because the areas they were applying for xere block rou areas. He said that srhether it Was 6omnercial or had no Co�nercial , it xas a block group area. He explained that the boundaries £or the Primary Focus areas uere the boundaries because the data that was available for the areas vas based on that boundary area. Mrs. Schnabel said that she disagreed with Mr. Ber�nan, and felt there sras a lot of potential £or housing in that area. She said it was not a total co:mnercial area, and felt there xere residential units (whether they were R1 or R3) within that Focus Area that needed rehabilitation that might be accomplished through a lox-interest loan or a grant of some type to get the property upgraded. She said there xere some homes that were very nice, and those people �aould like to preserve their neighborhood, Mr. Bergman asked if this gaeult would give the property owners the opportunity to get a low-interest loan. Mr. Boardman replied no, this would be a direct grant and rrould cost them nothing if they met the criteria. He said that he doubted very much i£ the Gity would vant to get involved in the low- interest loan business, but the City xould do the screening for the grants. Ae stated that out of this $130,000 program, money could be used for adminis- tr�tive costs. Mr. Bergman asked xhat vas expected of this body on this subject, and Chair- person Harris said the Coimnission should recommend to Council either their concurrence� concurrence with changes or their disapproval. He explained the Council was looking £or some reco�nendation from the Planning Commission� and that reco�mnendation had to be given tonight as the deadline uas February 18, 1977. Chairperson Harris cited an eacemple o£ a house in a C2 zone that met all of the criter�a for a direct grant, He said that if this property orrner received a grant of $5,000 and upgraded his house, raising its market value by $�,000� this would be a non-conforming use in a C-2 zane perpetuated by the City. Mrs. Schnabel pointed out that they also had a goal to provide low and moderate income housing in the City. Chairperson Harris said that if they wanted to perpetuate non-con£orming use in a different zone, then maybe that zone was not the correct one. Mr. Boardman explained that a non-conforming use xas allowed in a different zone and xas allowed to remain a non-conforming use as long as that use did not e�cpand� although it could be maintained and upgraded. Mr. Harris asked why it should then be a non-conforming use, and Mr. Boardman explained that they didn�t xant that non-conforming use to expand or get larger. He explained that if there was a non-conforming Cotmnercial use in a Residential area, that Coisanercial would not be alloxed to expand with another addition to perpetuate that Comraercial, �].though it would be alloved to continue and could be maintained. Planning Coimaission Meeting -�'ebruary 9, 1977 Page 9 Mrs. SShnabel commented that she xas sorry that the people who live in the area hadn't gotten a petition together up to this point as that would give the City an idea of how the property owners felt. MOTION by Shea� seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission close the Public Hearing on the Gommunity Develo}xinent Block Grant Preapplication. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, Chairperson Harris declared the Public Hearing closed at 9:16 P.M. MOTION by Bergman, seconded by Peterson, vith the following considerations: 1) Time available appears to be limited to tonight and recognizing that this body had not had a chance to allov for time to explore alternatives� and 2) Recogn3zs�g that the zoning and actual use in Foeus Area 1 are mi:ced, the Planning Cotmnission recommendecto Covncil that the Community Development Block Grant Preapplication be revised to encompass only the property gresently zoned Residential. Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Bergman would consider adding the folloWing sentence: In the event that the sections zoned C2 would be rezoned to residential� then that also uould be included in Focus A,rea I, Mr. Bergman said he agreed with the thought behind that, but Wondered if it was germane. He added that one o£ his considerations was the lack of time. Mr. Hoardman said he wished to paint out that this Was a�reapplication� and it would be back again i£ they were invited to apply for a Community DeveloZxnent Block Grant application. He said that Public Hearings vould again be held, and added that he felt comfortable with the preapplication as it was laid out. He stated that if they started revising the greapplication he would £eel uncomfortable selling itoto HUD, Chai.rperson Harris said he thought they vould have trouble selling it to HUD with the C2. Mr. Peterson sai.d that he would like to speak in favor of the motion for two reasons: 1) As a member of the Commission he felt more comfortable by deleting the Commercial section from the preapplication and avoiding spending bad money after good money, and 2) He felt �they were highlighting what the problem was and were sending it on £or other people to wrestle xith. Mr. Boardman said he was not sure how Mr. Bergrnan's motion could be written into the preapplication. He said that as far as policy Went on enforcing this� the policy could state that no grant monies would be approved in Commercial areas. As far as the application went, he sai.d, it was based on the information they had trroken dosm by block group, and data by block was not availahle. Mr. Boerdman stated that as far as the policy Hent in dispersing that money out, they could say they would only give monies in Focus Area I to non-commercial properties, but that did not have to be written in the preapplication. Mr. Ber�man said he �.ould like to make several comments. First� he thought if Gity Administration could successfully sell that kind of thing to the Ciiy Council, that vas fine, Secondly� he said� he thought that as citizens and taxpayers they had some responsibility to apply some conservatism to the Planning Con¢nission Heeting - February 9, 1977 Page 10 e�cpenditure of their oxn money. He said that if they were going to make use of the grant he thought they should Le a little bit prudent in hox they were going to do it. He continued that his best judgement said that if they had to make a decision tonight, they had to deal xith the facts they had and the situation as it exists� and he could not in good conscience ask for_-_ government money to be spent to perpetuate the situation of Eesidentaal property in the Commercial area. He said he did not feel the sureness that this vas the right W�r to go, so therefore his v�ev vas "don't spend the money". He said he preferred to leave the motion as it stood. Mr. Boardman stated that as he had said before! he thought it could be handled as a policy matter. He sai.d he preferred to leave the preapplication written as it tiras because the in£ormation that was broken doxn £or the area xas broken down for Pri.mary Focus Area I. He said that was done by Block Group, and that area was a Block Group, and the criteria they had to use was based on that area. Mr, Peterson comnented that it sounded like what had happened xas Holy Writ and there xas no x�y to change it. He said he couldn't see wk�y the applicat�on couldn't read the same� less that area that is C2. Mr. Boardman said that would then change their data. Clsairperson Harris said that he thought if the application xas approved as written, those people in C2 could go ahead and get those grants. Mr. Boardmen pointed out that they �rould be alloxed to set criteria where the C2 districts Would not be eligible for the grant. Mr. Berginan questioned that, and said that i£ they applied for a block grant for upgrading residential property and outlined the area, and then excluded half the residential property, that rras not setting criteria but changing the plan. UPON 6 VOICE VOTE, Aarris� Bergman and Peterson voting �ye; Schnabel and Shea voting nay� the motion carried 3- 2. Chai.rperson Aarris declared a recess at 9:35 and reconvened the meeting at 9:50 P.M. 3. NEC01�41ENDATION ON &4ST RiVhit RlJAD PROJECT REYORT Mr. Hoardman informed the Commission that the garkxay suggestion £rom the fiast River Road Project Corraoittee had been sent doxn to Parks and Recreation, Human Resources and Community Development, and they had responded. Hoxever, he said, there xas never a Planni.ng Commission response on that information and now it xould be appropriate for the Planning Coimnission to give a response on that. He added that the subcommissions' recommendations were included in the agenda. ✓ v Mrs. Schnabel asked i£ the City Council had Had already acted on this, and Mr. Boardman replied they had not. He said that the Planning Commission had settt on to Council without recommendation the moratorium on East River Road, and the other part of that motion (develoFsnent of the parkway system) xas sent Planning Commission Meeting - February 9, 19�7 Page 11 down to the member commissions for review. He said that each one of the member commissions had made a motion on that, and added that the Council had approved the moratorium. Mr, Bergman said he thought the project was disapproved. He stated that there were tvo items sent to Community Development; one ras the question o£ designating East River Road as a parkvay� the other xas a review of the East River Road Committee plan as opposed to what exists and the oounty plan which vould leave the two-lane limitation existing. He said they had been sent both questions. Mr. Peterson said that he thought Mr. Bergman was right. He said that in terms of City Council action, he thought they had already acted on it irith plans to finish East River Road. They had received the input, he continued� evaluated the in£ormation and had gioen permission to the county to apply £or funds. Dhairperson Harris explained that the county had applied� xith City germission� to the Federal �overnment (possibly the Department o£ Trensportation) for 3luids to do the xork on that 3jl� of a mile. He said that zrhether the application had been approved, he didn't lrnow, but he suspected that if it hadn�t been approved the work would not be done. Mr. Bergnan :said that he agreed that Counoil had apparently taken action, but it wa¢'done without recoinnendation from this body relative to which plan had the most merit (the txo-lane or four-lane). He added that maybe it vas all redundsnt at this time. Mr. Bergman stated that he felt a bit awkxard on this as they had spent some time verbalizing about the way that subco�nittee xas operating and hox they were bypassing process and how they should be going through proper channels (through Hivironmental to Planning Coimnission to City Council). He stated that this Co�nission had dropped the ball as far as proper route because they hadn't said °yea" or "n�y" as to vhat they spent all their time on. Mr. Bergman said that a fair amount of time had also been spent at Cotmnission levels on this, and Cotmmmity Development had done a£air amount of research. He noted that those minutes had come to the Planning Commission and it had been suggested that he xait until other Commission reports came in, and that vas the end of it. Mr. Bergman stated that in the Community Development mi.nutes there were some things that were germane. He said that C.D.C. thought this plan xas ten years too early at the present time; they thought that until the Northtown corridor �as completed the trend was for more and more traffic to come in on East River Road and that to reduce East River Road now to tvo lanes was completely out o£ context. He added that he thought they could all bene£it from some mutual understanding of the scene� and his commission felt the subcommitteis plan was ten years out of £ocus. Chairperson Harris said that they could take action on this, but because of the time frame he didn�t think it xould be worth a hill of beans. Mr. Boardmen stated that he thought a recommendation that might come out of this on these two issues (the recommendation on the parkway system and the East River Road Project Co�ni.ttee report recommendation} could be similar to what Community Development came up xith in that these two items vould be considered under a transportation plan. Chairperson Harris Planni.ng Cormnission Meeting - February 9, 1977 Page 12 commented that was part of the mandatory comprehensive glanning process, and this would uork very vell into that. Mr. Peterson stated that basically Parks and Recreation agreed with what Community Development had said, and their motion was very similar except that Parks end Recreation had combined both issues i.n one motion. MOTION by Bergman� seconded by Peterson, that ielating to the past studies and discussions concerning the Fast River Road Project Committee recov¢nenda- tion� vhich addressed two main controversial points (1. The proposal to reduce a sectmon of &ast River Road from £our lanes to two lanes, and 2. To develop the East River Road area as a park�ray), the Planning Commission pass on to Council their thoughts� which are: 1. That the plan to reduce the sridth of East River Road is in conflict with the present trend of traffic volume. 2. That the possibility of the proposed changes might be more feasible at the time of the development of the North Corridor. 3. That any further consideration of East River Road traffic pat,terns be considered in the "Comprehensive Transportation Plan°. UPON A V�ICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 1�. Mr. Boardman informed the Con¢nission that the two plans that had been requested ati�he last meeting were included in the back of the agenda. Chairperson Harris noted that this had been precipitated by the Pako Photo that weat in the Skywood Mall�s parking lot, and there had been some lengthy discussion about the area � block awqy from the intersection of 53rd and Central where the driveriay entrance on private property tied into a street intersection. He said they had asked Mr. Boardman to get a proposal together to remedy that situation� and that was what xas 6efore them now. Mr. Boardman stated that they had txo proposalsfor street impnavement of that area, and both were in the neighborhood o£ about $10,000 to $12�000. He said that was actual cost of the project improvement, not including condemnation costs. Mr. Boardman added that he couldn't really foresee any condemnation costs because any such costs would be charged back to the property oxner through assessment taxes. Mr. Peterson asked how the plsn would affect the Pako Photo Shop, and Mr. Boardman pointed it out on the plen and said that was where they had Wanted to build it in the Yirst place. Mr. Peterson asked which glan Mr. Boardman would recommend of the two plans that had been submitted, and he replied the first one. � Flanni.ng Cwmnission Meeting - February 9� 1977 Page 13 Mrs. Shea asked how much land would be conde�ed� and Mr. Boardman replied it would be a strip about 200' in length. Mr. Peterson said that xhen this had been discussed previously, Chairperson Harris had been concerned that the Ground Round not be disturbed. He said he noted on the first plan that the Ground Round parking was left pretty much the way it was. Mr. Boardman said that was correct. Mr. Bergman stated that as he understood the plan, a great portion of the money would be spent on vhat is now private , pro�rty, but some of it wrould be spent on public street dedication. Mr. Boardman said no, that vas already part of an ur�anization project. Mr. Bergman commented that if he was the property oener, he didn't think he wwld agree with the plan. Chairperson Harris said that they had been trying to get the property owner to do something for at least txelve years and he hadn�t been �*illing, so this might be an incentive. Chairperson Harris asked if there was eny information available on the number of fender-benders in that area, and Mr. Boardman replied that there probably were reports with the police department. Mrs. 5hea said she £elt there must be quite a few, and many close calls. Mr. Harris said they 5hould get that information to go with this package iY this went to Council. Mrs. Schnabel asked Mr. Boardman why he preferred plan A over B, and he replied that he felt it had better potential for traffic control. Mainly, he said� because one lane going up rriih a direct lane i.nto the Sky�*ood Mall would give more control at the end of the channelization area. Mrs. Schnabel poi.nted out where she thought there may be some confusion with plan A, and Mr. Boardman coimnented that he felt there vould be more traffic conflision go3ng yrith plan B, and pointed out vhat he meant on the diagram of B. Chairperson Harris said that he thought from an aesthetic standpoint, plan A would have some merit. He noted that there vould be about 20� with greenery and trees, while plan B would be just concrete ribbons and blacktop. Mrs. Schnabel asked if that power pole xould be shifted, and Mr. Boardman said it would. She asked if he could foresee any problem iri.th people crossing Central (perhaps com+n�g from Target) and channeling into one lane. Mr. Boardman said there would be tWO lanes, not one. Mrs. Schnabel noted there Was a proposed sidewalk shown, and asked 3f there vas a sidewalk planned srithin the parking area itself. Mr. Boardman replied there was not. He added that according to the bikeW� plen, the bikexay would be r�uu3ing strai.ght East through this area and up the hill. Mrs. Schnabel said she was wondering if it wouldn't be consistent to include a sidswalk tirithin the parking area itself (on the North boulevard}, She said that if there were bicyclists going through the .parking area, at least it uould keep them off the roadwqy. She noted there was also some pedestrian traffic through there because of the bus. Mr, Boardman stated that if the Metro Transit went along taith the proposal, ihat property that showed a proposed sidewalk xould also be a bus turn-out area. Mrs. Schnabel commented that she still Planning Commiss�on Meeting - February 9, 1977 page 1!t tended to prefer plan B personally. Mr. Bergman noted that on both plans there was a provision $or a shortcui right hand turn� and he assumed that the only reason For that was for the convenience o£ the Ground Round customers rrho might be parking on the other side of that barrier. Mr. Boardman said no, the purpose was to keep traffic from coming out of the Skywood Mall area lot into that area. He explained that xas a right only in, into the Skyxood area. Mr. Peterson stated that he gathered £rom some of the coimnents that the Commission would feel more comfortable with more data to submit xi.th their recoimnendation. MpTSON by Peterson= seconded by Schnabel� that the Planning Commission continue the discussion of the proposed improvement at the intersection of 53rd and Central Avenue N.E. to the next meeting� asking Staff to provide the needed information. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 5. CONTINUED: PRAPOSID MAINTENANCE CODE Mr, Hoardman told the Cormnission that at Monday night's City Council meeting concern was expressed as to the direction the Planning Commission was going with the Maintenance Code� and the Council at that time requested a joint meeting with the Planning Conanission for neact Wednesday, February lbth. He stated that the only topic would be the Housing Maintenance Code, and the Council Yelt that at this time they vould like to try to give the Planning Commission some direction as to rrhat they are looking at. He added that the Council did request information on the codes from St. I,ouis Park, Minneapolis, etc., so they could prepare for this meeting. Mr. Peterson said he would like to express his con£idence in the Co�nission's Chairman i.n that if there was going to be a joint meeting they at least get their input into that agenda be£ore they met. Mrs. Schnabel asked if there was a concern in that it was taking so long or in the direction the Planning Con¢nission was going� and Chairperson Harris replied both. MOTION by Schnabel, seconded by Peterson, that the Planning Commission continue the discussion on the proposed 2isintenance Codetto the next Planning Co�ission meeting pending the results oY the meeting with the City Council members. Mrs. Schnabel said she vould also like to recomnend that Mr. Aarris� as Chairperson of the Planning Coimnission, have an opportunity to have some input into the agenda for that meeting; and also that the City Council members have a copy o£ what the Planning Coimnission was dealing with and srhat they had done to date. Mr. Boardman stated that the Council had received copies o£ everything the Planning Commission had. Ghairperson Harris asked What input Mrs. Schnabel would like into the agenda. She Planning Gommission Meeting - February 9, 1977 Page 15 replied that her feeli,ng was that at least he� as Chair of the Planning Commission, should be apprised of srhat they were thinking o£ in terms of the agenda and xhat their concerns were so he could elaborate on the agenda if he so desired, or whatever. Mr, Boardman told the Co:mnission that it sounded like the discussion at the Wednesday meeting xould be Council trying to give their thoughts to the Planning Con¢nission as to the direction that they think the Maintenance Code should go. He said that they felt that maybe there is some misunder- standing as to what the Maintenanee Code should be trying to accomplish, and they `rant to shed some light on that. He added that Council wanted to add some direction to the vay the Planning Commission vas looking at it. Mrs. Schnabel stated that in view o£ the fact that it had taken the Planning Coimnission this long to get through txo paragraphs, she didn't fi,nd it of£ensive at all. Mr. Bergman said that concerning the reference to time� at their first meeting on this subject there vas the understanding that the Planning Cormnission was going to send the code doxn to the member commissions for study. He said he felt there was a lack of direction to the member commissions and the Planning Commission was going to establish some guidelines before sending it doxn to the commissions. He said he didn't lrnow if that xas still the plan� but they hadn�t even approached that yet. Chairperson Harris said he thought they had ta have something to send to the member co�mni.ssions, and right nox they didn't have anything to send to them. That was this Commission's purpose, he said, to direct them what to look at. Mr. Bergman stated that initially the plan was to send it to the conmiissions for develo�ttnent, but he felt �he Flanning Commission was now developing the thing and xould send it to them for reviezr. UPON A�lOICE YOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. b. oT� sUSn+FSS: Chairperson Harris informed the Go�nission there vas a Planning Seminar to be held at the Radisson South on February 2}�th and 25th, which xould be similar to the one he and Mr, Bergman had attended last year. He said he would strnng�y recommend it to anybody on the Comunission that would like to go, and informed them the City xould pick up the admission fee. He said it was a tWO-d$y affair, and very worthxhile. Mrs. Schnabel said that she would like to attend. ADJOURNMENT: t+�TION by Peterson, seconded by Shea� that the meeting be adjourned. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, Chai.rperson Harris declared the Planning Co�nission meeting of February 9, 1977 acijourned at 10:50 P.M. Respectfully submitted, od�. ,,.• o;��,�,o% $ e rz 0 Donnell, ecor ing ecre azy