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PL 11/23/1977 - 6622City of fridley AGENDA :� PLANNING C017MISSION MEETING NOYEMBER 23, 1977 CALL TO ORDER: ROLL CALL: APPROVE PLANroING COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEMBER 9, 1977 1. 2. � IC HEARIN6: CONSIDERATION OF A PROPOSED C. BROTTLUND: Replat of Lot 11, Auditor's Subdivision No. 23, along with the Westerly 1/2 of Grand Avenue, vacated by court decree> recorded on June 20, 1948, Fridley Park Addition, generally located in the 6400 Block on the East Side of East River Road N.E. PUBLIC HEARING• REZONIN6 REQUEST ZOA #77-04, BY SUNDIAL REALTY COMPANY: Rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, lying Easterly of the Northeasterly right-of-way line of the Outer Drive of the State Truck Hughway #65, and West of a line 1253.20 feet West of the East line of said Lot 6, as measured at right angles to, and parallel with, the East line of said Lot 6, from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to CR-1 (general offices and limited businesses), the same being 961 Hillwind Road N.E. and, 3. REQUEST FOR LOT SPLIT, L.S. #77-14 BY SUNDIAL REALTY COMPANY: Split off that part of Lot 6, Auditor s Subdivision No. 25, as described in rezoning request, the same being 961 Hil1wind Road N.E. 4. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: NOVEF•16ER 3, 1977 5. CONTINUED: PARK AND OPEN SPACE PLAN ADJOUNMEN7: � 7:30 P.M. PAGES l - l5 16 - 20 21 - 25 � 27 - 33 SEPARATE � r CITY Or FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 9� 1977 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the regular November 9, 1977, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:y9 P,M, ROLL CALL: Members Present; Oquist, Harris, Schnabel, Langenfeld Ms, Suhrbier, sitting in for Mr. Peterson arrived at 8:43 P.M. Members Absent: Mr. Bergman (represented by Mr. Oquist) Mr. Peterson (represented by Ms. Suhrbier) Ms. Shea Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROlTE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: OCTOBER 19, 1977 MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to approve the October 1g, 1977, Planning Commission minutes, Mr. Langenfeld commented that the City Council was trying to repeal the 4/5 ruling vote on double bungalows being bui:lt in an R-i zone. He vranted to knoer �vhy, � Mr. Boardman said that the City Council �yas trying to repeal , the tivhole thing, They wanted to do away svith the Special } Use Permit provision. He said this tivould result in not allo�ving double bungalows/duplexes in an R-1 zone. Chairperson Harris said that thexe �vas an alternative to that situation. He said they should leave the thing alone and just vote NO once in a�vhile, UPON A VOICE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The Planning Commission minutes were approved at 7:51 p.m. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Planning Commission receive the Environmental Commission minutes of October 18, 197�. Ms, Schnabel referred to page 9 of the minutes, fourth paragraph. She did not agree with Ms. Sporre statment that the government ought to get into the recycling pro�ram before private businesses did. Ms. Schnabel felt that the private businesses should take care of the business. �; PLANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - NOVPMBrR 9 1977 Pa�e 2 " Mr, Langenfeld explained that vrhen tYie statement referred to "government�� they were actually spe�king of the possibility that the City of Fridley could pick up garbage� etc. and then recycle it for a profit thereby defraying the cost of doing such a thing, He said that the money obtained could be used for the betterment of the City of rridley. He said that the statement had been made as a matter of discussion, Mr. Langenfeld asked the Commission to eliminate the Parks and Open Space Plan discussion from the minutes, and that he would bring the items to the attention o£ the Commission at the time they discussed the Parks and Open Space Plan Mr. Langenfelt referred to pages 10 & 11 of the minutes, the "Environmental Education Consortium". He said that the Parks & Recreation Commission minutes also made reference to that subject, He pointed out that Mr. Peterson had made a statement that before they got totally involved in this item, the Commission should make a commitment one v�ay or another. Mr. Langenfeld said that he had read the book on the Consortium and that it 4°�as most informative. Ae said basically �vhat v�as trying to be done ivas to utilize the existing educational processes that exist in the City to press a better environmental education. Mr. Langenfeld said that as a Commission they rrere only trying to approve snch an idea and urge the proper bodies to imp2ement that type of procedure as tivas being suggested by the Environmental Education Consortium. Chairperson Harris suggested that if theq wanted to contact somebody in the District about curriculum, the Curriculum Coordinator was Tom Myra. UPQN A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, The minutes of the October 18, 1977, Environmental Commission minutes vrere received at 8:00 P,M. MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld� seconded by Ms. Schnabel� that the Planning Commission receive the parks & Recreation Comraission minutes of October 24, 1977. Mr. Langenfeld wanted to knolv v�hat S,C,O.R,P, stood £or. Ae said it tvas referred to on Page 10 of the minutes. Mr. Boardman said it stood for State Conference Outdoor Recreation Plan, � � � } PLAPIAIING COt1idIS°ION MT'rTIPIG - NOVT�T4IiT'i? 9 1977 Pa�'e 3 Mr. Langenfeld made reference to page 57 of the a�enda. He said that it vras the first step on the "Environmental �ducation Consortium��, UPON A VOIC� VOT�� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The October 24, 1977� Parks & Recreation Commission minutes ti�ere received at 8:04 P,M, RECEIVE APP�ALS GOP4MISSION MIIdUTPS• OCTOB�R 25, 1977 MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquisi, that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes of October 25, 1977, Chairperson Harris asked about the item in the minutes regarding the reducing of a lot size from ']500 square feet to 7220 square feet. '— Ms. Schnabel said that in the particular case the lot ti�ras land locked, She said there rras no opportunity for the person to purchase any adjacent land, 5he said that there vaere no objections from any of the affected neighbors. Ms. Schnabel said that the Commission had had no problems with the request� She said that the house he intended to put on the lot erould have met a11 the reauired setbacks, She said that the only reason that a front yard variance �' had been requested was because none of the other houses on the street cJere settaack 35 feet. He vaanted the five foot variance tn move his house up the five feet to be more consistent lvith the other houses. UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The October 25, �977, Appeals Commission minutes were received ai 8:10 P�M. 1. RECEIVE MI3�I0 TO HUMAN RESOURCES CODIMISSION FROM JERROLD BOARDP4AN DATLD OCTOBER 31, t977: ADMINISTR9TIVE STAFF RII'RESE�ITATIV� TO TH� HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the memo to the Human Resources Commission from Jerrold Boardman� Mr. Boardman explained that soon after the Human Resources Commission started operating as a Commission they had requested that the Administration not send anyone from Staff. He pointed out that the Commission noia� had a different Chairperson and that it had been requested that a Staff person be provided to the Commission, ;.� UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The memo was recei�ed at 8:12 P.M, PLAPINIPIG COPtMISSIOtd MPrTING - NOVPMBFR 9� t�j77 Paf�e !E ` 2. R�C�IVE MI3�I0 TO PLAI`TNING COP�iMISSIOTd FRO;�( JERROLD BOARDI4AN DAT�D OCTOBER 31� 1977; R�; �VJORK SCIiEDULE FOR 19�7 � and 1g78, MOTIOPI by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to receive the inemo from Jerrold Boardman. Mr. Boardman explained that vrhat tivas being attempted was that Staff r�ould complete their revie��� about a month prior to the indicated dates. He said that they had a limited amount of time because most of the items had to be completed by December 31, 1978. He explained that they rrould be tvorking on a"deadline�� basis. He said that Staff tivould attempt to get the issues into a e�orkable form at least one month prior to the dates and get the information out to the Conmission members. He said that member commissions Laould have approximately one meeting time to discuss the items. He said that if they required more time they i•rould have to have special meetings. Chairperson Harris feli that Staff was being very optimistic. Mr. Boardman said that the list lvas things that HAD TO BE DONE, Several of the member of the Commission questioned items on the LYork Schedule, Mr. Boardman explained �vhat each of tfie questioned items � r�ere about and what �vas to be accomplished� Mr. Langenfeld suggested that each Commission review the 1Vork Schedule'and decide which items they �vish to have meetings scheduled for. Ms. Scknabel agreed that they only need to have meetings on the items that they v�ould be concerned with; the one that would m.ost effect each Commission. Mr. Boardman felt that each Commission should indicate which items of the 1'Jork Schedule they would like. to reveiw before the Planning Commission. Mr. Oquist said that it l�rould "force�� the chairpersons to keep the meetings moving as far as the discussions keeping to the subjects being discussed. UPON A VOICE VOT�a all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The l'Jork Scheduled i��as received at 8;1�2 p,i�f. � Y PLANNITTG COMMISSION MrETING - PiOVPMBER 9, 1977 Par*,e 5 3. , GONSID�RATIOPI OF RF,PLALIPIG 5�CTION 205.051 � 3� D� OI' TFi� P'RIDLnY CITY CODr : UTIDER USES PPIdYIITTLD VlITH A SPECIAL Ua� PEFd�1TT IN R-1 ZOPdING: DOUL'I�E BUPtGALO."IS� BUT ADDITIONALLY A CONGURRIPIG VOTP OF 4/5th OF TH� COUNCIL SHALL EE REG�UIR�D FOR THE COUNCII,,TO ISSU� SUCH SPECIAL US� PEF��fIT, Mr. Boardman explained that the City Council realized that the Plannin� Commission ��ras vrorking on the Zoning Code; hoc�ever� they i�ranted this item to go through immediately. Chairperson Harris said that there may be certain instances where a double bungaloti•r may nicely fit in an R-1 district. He said there r�ere several along East River Road that �vere nicely done and they really did fit in. He £elt that the easiest t�tay to handle the item 1�ould be to vote NO on the double bungalow requests that rrouldn't be acceptable in an '— R-1 district. Mr. Oquist felt that there �vere times vahen a double bungalotiv tiras probably most desirable for the lot and Iocation. He also said that the best control erould be to vote TI� on the requests that rrouldn't be acceptable. Mr. Boardman explained that if a double bungalow crould go into an R-1 area� then the City Council lvants a rezoning � rather than a Special Use Permit. He saj.d that there shouldn�t be a mixing of R-1� R-2 and R-3's in the same area. He said that it rras hard to encourage private investments in residential areas ��here there is this mix of zonings. Mr. Boardman also indicated that there were instances tivhere double bungalows did fit nicely into residenti al R-1 areas, Chairperson Harris explained that in a rezoning and a variance the burden of proof falls upon the petitioner. He said that in a Special Use Permit the burden of proof for denial fa11s upon the City. Mr. Boardman said that the public hearing process is very similar for the rezoning and the Special Use Permit. He said that the City Council had the authority to call a public hearing at that level. Ae v�ent on to explain that in most of the cases where the City Council denied the Special Use Permit request, the oti^mer of the property has not challen�ed the decision and they have then constructed single family dwellings on the property. :� r Ms. Schnabel felt that they would really be limiting things by cutting out the Special Use Permit and go strictly to a � rezoning. Mr. Langenfeld said that in the past six months they have seen this problem come up more frequently. He didn't feel that it was going to occur that frequentl,y in the future because of the availability of space. He said that he preferred the Special Use Permit because of the control they had over it. Mr. Boardman said that space was a big problem, I3e said that in the near future a 1ot of the areas (such as dov�ntoivn) will be �oing into multiple use type areas, Ms, Schnabel cited an example of NE S•:inneapolis ivhere there is a residential street on ��rhich you have a number of duplexes mixed in vrith the single family homes, She said that it provided alternatipe housing in residential areas for those people s�ho are unable to afford a single family house of their ovrn. She said that all the housing appeared to be compatible. She said that there lvere probably a lot of good reasons tilhy e�e should consider putting duplexes into residential areas, She said that the most difficult probiem would be "selling�r the idea to the adjacent single family residents. Ms, Suhrbier said that on France llvenue in P4inneapolis, � there �vas a nicely planned area oi double bungalotivs, She said it v�as done attractively ivith very little opposition from the adjacent home owners. Di0TI0N by rqr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, that the Planning Commission recommend not repealing Section 205.051, 3, Dt of the Fridley City Code: Under Uses Permitted �vith a Special Use permit in R-1 Zoning: Double bungalolvs, but additionalZy a concurring vote of 4/5th of the Council shall be required for the Council to issue such Special Use Permits. Mr. Langenfeld said that the inflationary trends could put a definite burden on a property oraner. He said that he liked the control they had by the Special Use Permit. He said that he �vas not in favor of the rezoning procedure, He also said that the public hearings i�ould bring out the negative and pos�tive elements of the given properties in tivhich a proper revierr could be held. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye the motion carried unanimously� PLAPII9IPIG COA4MISSION M�F.TING - NOVPMI3PR 9, 79�7 Pa�e 8 Chairperson Harris felt that the pr-oposed Housing Maintenance Code vrould be a good ordinance to put a�}self-destruct" section in it. He su�gested saying that this Ordinance is valid until December 31� 1980, or somcthing on that order. He said that at that time it vrould autoraatically be repealed unless it v�as continued by either the City Council or Staff. He said that it v�ould be nice to ��try" the ordi.nance to see hovr it rrorked� Iie said that if it didn�t ivork erell, then it tivould have to be changed. He said that there masn�t anything that forced the chan�ing of ordinances to be sure that they "worked��. Mr. Boardman said that they had the option at any time to change the ordinances. � Chairperson Harris said that it seemed that changes didn't occur unless there �aas an imminent disaster pending. Much discussion took place at this point regarding the putting of a'Ttime period}' on the proposed Housing Maintenance Code. Chairperson Harris said that the proposed Housing Maintenance Code looked like a��od code, He said it vaas an entirely different issue as to if it rrould actually ���vork�f. Chairperson Harris said that the Code treaded very closeiy on some constitutional rights. He v�anted to be sure that they didn�t get too far into "left field�� on the Code, He said that the housing stock should be maintained in the best manner possible; hoi�rever he didn�t vrant the people's rights to be abridged either. He said because of that, the proposed Housing Maintenance Code had to be tried for a certain period of time and then it has to be revie�red� Ms. Schnabel felt that a definition for ��Grade Levelt� should be included in the proposed Housing Maintenance Code's definitions section� Mr, Boardman said that there was a definition for Grade Level in the Building Code and he said that that vaould cover for the Housing Maintenance Code, Ms. Schnabel said that in Section 220.065, Item !� b) should be b) .,,,,to prevent the ingress or egress of rodents to or from a building. Ms. Schnabel said that in Section 220.07, Item 1 C, should read, C. A stove or similar device £or cookin� food� and a refrigerator or similar device for the safe storage of food, shall be properly maintained with all necessary connections for safe� sanitary, and efficient operation. � Y PLl1P1P1ID1G COMP�ISSIOt3 MnE'1`ING - NOVT�✓BFR 9, 19?7 Pa�e 9 Ms, Schnabel questioned the legality of requiring that the owner � or an authorized agent to be in the seven-county metro area. She tvas referring to Section 220.113 Resident l��;ent Required. Mr. Boardman said that the City Attorney didn't have any problems with the item. Chairperson Harris said that it could be made part of the stipulations since licensing was involved. Ms, Schnabel indicated that there ti�ere many sexist statements made throughout the Housing riaintenance Code. She hoped that they tivould be removed. Mr. Boardman indicated several items that had been taken out of the Housing Maintenance Code that Staff had re-added, Ms, Suhrbier felt that Section 220.065, item 2 Minimum Heating Standards� should be changed, She suggested that the item read, "....Portable heating equipment employing flame or the use of liquid fuel does not meet the requirements of this section and is prohibited,,,.." Chairperson Fiarris said that the enactment of the Housing Maintenance Code ti�rould be based on the enforcement of the Code. He said that he 1�ras sure City Council ivould have to know hoi�� the Code �vould be enforced before they wi11 act on the item. He asked Mr. Boardman ho�a the proposed Housing Maintenance Code would be enforced. Mr. Boardman said that most likely the fire inspectors tvould be given the added responsibility of enforcing the Housing Maintenance Code. He said that it ivas felt that most likely one additional Inspector ti�rould be hired and they would a11 be trained as to t�ahat to look for and consider ivhen they make their inspections. Chairperson Harris requested that an.Enforcement Policy includin� the methods and costs should be worked out by Staff before the proposed Housing biaintenance Code goes to City Council. Chairperson Harris said that if the money couldn�t be obtained to enforce the Housing Maintenance Code� then it tivouldn't be r�orth the paper it tivas vrritten on. Mr. Boardman s�id that Staff rrould rrork on a Policy of Lnforcement including methods and cost. � PLANNI27G COi1�4ISSION MPETIPIG - NOV13�1BFR 9, 1972 Pa�e 10 �� UPOAI A VOIC� VOT�, all votin� aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Planning Commis�ion recommended to City Council the approval of the proposed Iiousing MaintenanCe Code vrith the necessary legal changes and that a revievral process be set up to take place in December of �979. MOTION by Ms, Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission requested sta£f to bring to the next Plannin� Commission meeting a Policy of �nforcement statement including the methods and costs for the implementation of the Housing t�faintenance Code. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. t�OTIOSd by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Housing I-Saintenance Code in the Ordinance form be sent to the Human Resources Commission for their revi_FC=r_ Pdr. Boardman said that Staf£ raould let the Huinan Resources Commission kno�xr rrhen the Housing Maintenance Code would be sent to the City Council and in that rray they vrill knovr exactly hoti•a long they have to do their revierr, UPON A VOICE VQT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at 10;25 P,M, 5. COIdTII�TUrD; PARK & OPF�Pl SPACE PLAN Mr. Langenfeld began the discussion by indicating the changes that the Fridley Environmen�al Commission had proposed when they revieUred the Park� and Open Space Plan. Mr. Langenfeld indicated that on Page 1, 3rd paragraph, the second sentence could be changed to read, �rThis increase in participation and recreation has been especially noted in the areas of outdoor recreation.�' The Planning Commission members agreed with the change. Mr. Langenfeld suggested that on page 2, the first paragraph, that the sentence be added at the end of the first paragraph, "This demand will increase even further because of the energy crisis." Also he said that on page 2� the last paragraph, the first sentence should read, "ThiN plan is a supplement to the City�s Comprehencive Development Plan and fulfills the Mandatory Flanning Act requirenents for a park and open space element in the city's comprehensive planning.�� The Planning Commission members concurred, � !I � PLANP1iNG COP?MISSION MF�:TIPTG - PtOV?�4B�R 9 1977 Pap�e 11 Mr, Langenfeld indicated that on page 3� the last sentence of the third paragraph should read� "I'inally, policies define the � means that shall be used to achieve the objectives.�� He also indicated that on page 3, the last sentence of the fourth para�raph should read, "If folloti^�ed, these goals and objectives should move the City of Fridley closer to a Completely integrated system of parks and park development." The memberU of tYie Planning Commission were in agreement. Mr. Langenfeld informed the Planning Commission of the changes that the Environmental Commission vranted to make on page 4, After much discussion of the suggestion, it was decided that on page 4, under the heading OPEN SPACE:, item,�2 would be rerrorded to, "2, Provide proper conservation management for natural open space areas." _ The Planning Commission ��as in agreement v�ith the rewording. Mr. Langenfeld indicated that on Page 5� the second sentence of the second paragraph� should read� 11Each of these neighborhoods has been designated on the basis of major traffic� natural feature or land use barriers separating them," The members of the Planning Commission agreed, The Envircnmental Commission ivanted to change the rrording of � item 3� on page 17. The Planning Commission did not agree , Also� they stanted to change the �rording on page 1'7, item 10, They rranted Item 10 to read, �rSome of Fridley�s parks lack attractiveness and character. The members of the Planning Comraission agreed e�ith the changes to item 10. Mr. Langenfeld said that some of the Commissions lvanted to take some of the negativism out of the Plan, The Environmental Commission suggested the adding of an item under the "Findings'� of Objective 2� in the "Summary of Findings" section of the Parks and Open Space Plan. After much discussion the Planning Commission members decided to make the ��Finding" suggested by the Environmental Commission into t��o separate "Findings��: . Methods for conservation of energy are not being practiced. Methods for the protsction of facilities from vandalism are not presently being used. � PLAPINING COMNtISSI�N MT:?;'I'ING - NOVr'hiBPR 9, 193'] pa�e 12 • The Planning Commission next discussed page 20 of the Parks and Open Space Plan. Mr, Boardman indicated that a general criteria had been set for the rray that park systems vrou7d be funded. He said that they vaould set policy that 1�rould be on a 1-100 point scale. He said that v�ith the design of each of the park systems, they vaould develop the point scale and set it on the basis of acquisition and development. Iie said that there would be a breal: dorm a percentage of fundin� that would go to each acquisition and developmen� based on that point scale and set a priority on it. Chairperson Harris made mention of the chart on the bottom of page 20. He referenced the section on Neighborhood areas and especially iten 2"Acquisition of park 1and adjacent to existing facilities in order to increase overall useability". He said that ti�rhen one considered the neighborhood parks� he rJanted to knorr r�hat City planned to do - take someoneFS house?! Pir. Boardman said that it vras evident that there l�rere definite problems in the neighborhoods, He said that the only rray to solve the problem at hand tiaas to do something about it, He said that that could mean using some of the P'ederal monies for acquisition and relocation. Chairperson Harris said that politically, the acquisition of park land through condemnation of private land, especially the taking of houves� c�ould be "d,ynamite". He said that it ivould not �'swingr'� " • Mr. Boardr,ian said that in some cases acauisition and relocation erould give the people the opportunity to get out of their house and out of some of �he areas. He said that the people could be given �15�000 to relocate in addition to the markei value of the house. Discussion rrent to various areas of Fridley and hotv the people are served by the park system. MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Suhrbier, to limit the discussion on the Parks & Open Space Plan until ��:55p,M� Upon a voice vote, all vating aye the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Iiarris suggested that Item 2 under Neighborhood areas on the Chart at the bottom of pa�e 20 of the Parks and Open Space Plan be brought to the attention of the City Council at the next conference meeting in order to get their fee�ings on the item. Mr. Boardman said that he would arrange it for the earliest possible Conference Meeting, � � � PLANNING COMMISSION MPrTIPIG - PdOVi�MP>T:R � 19'7� Pa�e � ' The Plannin� Commission next discussed page 21.of the � Parks and Open Space Plan, Mr. Boardman indicated that example type statements would be deleted from the Plan. After much discussion of items A and B under the Recommendations of Objective 1 of the Policy and Recommendations section of the Parks and Open Space Plan, it vras decided to change the �vordin� to, A. Special Use: Provides specialized or single purpose recreational activities that should be located 1^rhere needed and appropriate and are desi�ned to standards appropriate to the particular use. B. Linear Parks: l�reas adeo,uately developed for une or — more modes of recreational travel 4��hich provide maximum use for protection of resources and should be located rahere the trail resource occurs and link components of the City�s recreation system and/or facilities. The discussion of the Parks and Open Space Plan rras continued until the next Planning Commission meeting at 11:1+5 P,pq. � A:r. Boardman explained that the purpose of the meeting was to let the neighbors knoti^� that City hadn't forgotten them, He said that they r�ould discuss the process that they rrould be going through in the next couple of months in the development of the neighborhood, He said that they tvould also ���ant to encourage the development of a neighborhood aommittee. He said that the Planning Commission didn't necessarily have to be at that �neeting. UPON A VOICE VOTF� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The letter �aas received at 11;50 P.M. The Pl � cil re ardin the trere mos disanno � PI�AtIPdIIIG COt�1I ;SIOFI MPLTING - NOVT.[�4BER 9i 1977 Pa�e 1 tF " Ms� Schnabel said that she rtas very disappointed, She said �he felt very sorry for the number of citizens that e�orked on � the Sign Ordinance. She said that many hours had been spent on the Ordinance and that a11 that time and effort had "gone out the rrinclorr��. She felt it i+tas rather tragic that those many people spent that much time for naught, She felt that at some point the City Council should have called a halt to the Ordinance 1•rork and not r�asted all the time of the people. Mr. Lan�enfeZd said that if the Commissions are going to spend time on such items and then just get "shot dov�n"� they may as vre11 forget it. He r�ade mention of a previous statement that he made that said the if the needed Commissions can't function the vray the� should� then ti�ahy should they exist. Ms� S�hnabel said that it r•�as discouraging to the people that put a lot of time into it. She said that in the future it may be hard to find volunteers e�ho rrill be i•rilling to put time and effort into a projects like that if they find that they aren't going to get anyrrheres ��ith it anyways. Mr. Langenfeld said that it wras an insult if it was just given to the Planning Cor.�mission for somethin� to do. Chairperson Harris said that the Sign Ordinance was initiated by the Planning Commission to be reviewed. � Ms. Schnabel said that the City Council should have told them � not to bother. Mr. Oquist said that the City Council completely disregarded tivhat the citizens tvanted� 1Jhich ivas really too bad� because that is �rho the Council was elected by. Chairperson Harris said that Pir, Sobiech and he had spent a considerable amount of time r�ith the Chamber of Commerce explaining the Ordinance and aiding them in their deliberations. He said that they had agreement rrith them as far as Special Use Permits lsient and some other items. He said that the Chamber had many different ideas than the Ordinance had� There was much discussion regarding the items that �vere granted by the City Council. This discussion mainly touched on the "billboard" subject and the manner of handling the non-conformin� signs� since the Special Use Permit ��ras going to be dropped� It t�ras decided by the members of the Gommissiott that all signs ��ould Ii1�VE to meet all the requirements. Chairperson FIarris said that he p.lanned to.go to the second � readin� of the Si�n Ordinance and that he t��as goin� as a "private citizen" and not as the.Chairperson of the Planning Commission. Fie felt that there were items of the Sign Ordinance as passed by the City Council that treaded on his Constitutional rights. PLANNTP7G COMh1IS"TO?� MI:�:'I'IPiG - S�OUP°nA�R 9, 1977 Pa�e 15� ADJOURrR�IFTIT t40TI0P1 by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to adjourn the Pdovember 9, 197'7, Plannin� Comrnission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting"aye, the motion carried unanimously. • Chairperson IIarris decla.red the meeting adjourned at 1 z:07 �..t•t, Respectfully submitted, ���-�_��t2�.si,�C�C Marylee Carhill Recording Secretary r"1 � �. � PU6LIC HEARING QEFORE THE PLAt�tyING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT P1AY CONCERN: Notice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of the Planning Commission of the City of Fridley in the City Nall at 6431 University Avenue hJortheast on 4lednesday, November 23, 1977 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a Proposed Preliminary Plat, " P.S. #77-06, Brottlund's First Addition, by Barry C. Brottlund, of Lot 11, Auditor's Subdivision No. 23, along with the Westerly One Half of Grand Avenue, vacated per court decree, recorded on June 30, 144&, Fridley Park Addition, all lying in thz South Half of Section 15, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located in the 6400 Block on the East Side of East River Road N.E. � Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may tie heard at this time. Pub}ish: Novem6er 9, 1977 November 16, 1977 � RICHARD H. HARRIS CNAIRMAN PLANNIN6 COMMISSION y� : l / I . r � NUMUCR CITY Or TRIDLEY MINNCSUTA PLANNING AND ZONTNC POfiM APP4ICXN7''S SICNAI'�RG___ w� � �'�L`"`�,�,� �_ Address 3140 Rice Creek Terrace Telephonc Number 633-9553 ' PROPERT'Y 014NCR' S � _.� �.''1 . 1YPG Of RGQUGST , � Rezoning Special Use Pcrmit X Approval of Premin- inary $ Fina2 Plat Streets or Alley Vacations . Other Address 3140 Rice Creek Terrace Telcphone Number 633-9553 Fee Reccipt 1do. Street Location of Property 6431 - 6439�E. River Road . ' ,,�al�/�,,, ' Legal Description of Property_Lot 11L,also th� Westerly 1/2 of Grand A� vacated per court decree recorueu _` j��i �� re,�_'___�,: _auu.�.��� ����;, Present Zoning Classification R-1 F�cisting Useyof Property Vacant Acreage of Property .566 Describe briefly the proposed zoning classificatio^ � or type of use and improvement proposed Platting for single family homes. .; Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lot split or variance or special use permit on the subject site or part of it? X yes no. What was requested and tial�en? Lot split and special use perm��'or 1t-'�use applied for 3/31/77. The undcrsigned understands that: {a) a list of ail residents and otaners of property within 300 feet (350 feet for rezoning) must be attaclicd to this application. (b) This application must Ue si�ned 6y all otaners of the property, or an explanation given why this is not the case. (c) ResponsiUility for any defect in the proceedings resu2ting irom thc fti.lure to list the names and addresses of ali residents and property owners of property in question, belongs to thc undcrsigned. , A sketch of proposed property and structure must be dra���n and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction, 2. Location of proposed structure on the lot. 3, llimensions of property, proposcd structurc, and front and sidc setUacks. .' 4. Street Names. S. Location.and use of adjacent eaisiing builJings (within 300 fect). 7'he undersigned hereby Jeclares that all the facts and represent�tions,sLated in this � applicatiwi arc tivc and corrcct. DATG 1Oj14/77 —SICNAT .� , 1•.-�x` ..�n1��t\lt�L� Data Filed � Dntc of ltcaring ' � Mailing List Planning Commission November 8, 1977 City Council -c, � � P.S. �77-06, Brottlund's First Addition Replat of Lot 17, A,S. R23, along with vacated Grand Street in Fridley Park Addition. Barry C. Brottlund Mr. Kenneth Gillette 3140 Rice Creek Terrace N.E. 6409 East River Road New Brighton, Mn 55112 Fridley, P1n 55432 Murco Stations, Inc. 6485 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Leif Henriksen 6434 Riverview Terrace N.E. Fridiey, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Edward Sakry 121 64 1/2 Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Larry Gilmer 141 64 1/2 Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harick Beckmen 6430 East River Road N.E. F"ridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Pirs. Erna Raymond 6420 East River Road N.E Fridley, Mn 55432 Ms. Leora Smuder 6414 East River Road Fridley, Mn 55432 William A. Duvall 740 River Drive St. Paul, Mn 55116 Mr. & Mrs. Eugene Emerson 99 64th Way N.E. Fridley, Mn.55432 Mr. & Mrs. Gilbert Felt Route �i2 , Box 727 Wyaning, Mn 55092 Arthur T. Veit Mr. & Mrs. LeRoy Erlandson 7900 Lakeland North 60 Mississippi Way N.E. Minneapolis, Mn 55445 Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. John FessendewMr. & Mrs. Leonard Larson 111 63 1/2 lJay N.E. 6425 Ashton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Fridley, Mn 55432 William Corcoran 3040 Sumpter Avenue Crystal, Mn 55427 Mr. & Mrs. Herlin Johnsan 123 63 1/2 Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Lyle Kulenkamp 58 Mississippi Way N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Darryl Ericson N.E. 6468 Ashton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Donald Sibell 6408 East River Road N.E fridley, Mn 55432 .� Mr. & �4rs. John Kimbler 80 Nlissisippi �4ay N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Leo Carda 6443 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 � Mr. & Mrs. Warren Palm 6421 East River Road N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Harlin Cook 6446 Ashton Avenue N,E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ms. Anella J. Lee 6434 Ashton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & Mrs. Kenneth Hughes 6424 Ashto'n Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. & �1rs. Arne Lundgren 6412 Ashton Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Anna Marie Huston 165-14th Avenue N.E. 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I � ( � � � U O'I � J� � � � � di c �_ N �I3 w �:;ti.69 .� , .. - : � l2,32.7 � � /,, � a�.`� n� a�aG� i u � � Q � O C �� �Za � � Lo'S" o�-_ a' �-�= c� � - ��3 %aC , ES° qR�:A � -�- � . . � i � �?�c„ �"" ��• �� a O O !.� t � w � O V y o r � � p 41 � 3 W � ; ;�=;;,�i . � ..�.----- � � . � �pRA� PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: F�otice is hereby given that there will be a Public Hearing of. the Planning Comnission of the City of Frid7ey in the City Hall at 6431 University Avenue Northeast on Wednesday, November 23, 1977 in the Council Chamber at 7:30 P.M. for the purpose of: Consideration of a rezoning request, Z0A #77-04, 6y Sundial Realty Company, to rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, lying Easterly of the Northeasterly right- of-way line of the Outer Drive of the State Trunk Highway #65, and West of a line 1253.20 feet West of the East line of said Lot 6, as measured at right angles to an parallel with the East line of said Lot 6, from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to C„-1 (general offices and lir�ited businesses), �• located in the South Half of Section 24, T-30, R-24, City of Fridley, County of Anoka, Minnesota. Generally located at 961 Hillwind Road N.E. Anyone desiring to be heard with reference to the above matter may 6e heard at this time. RICHARD H. HARRIS CHAIRMAN PLANNTNG COhP1ISSI0N Publish: November 9, 7977 N�vember 16, 1977 i / • CITY OP fRIDLGY MINNLSUTA • • PL1INNING AND ZONINC POtiM , � NuMaeR f7lr 9 % O� APPLI uYl'' S SIGNANRC �U,(//�lli L�'Ep[T y/�G . . � i Raar�ss ,�817 flNTlao�UN GANE �U, f_ . Telcphonc Number 7�`- Y �� �-� 'PRDPERTY �lt'NLR'S SIG,�ATURG'< t� C„�- C, • Address Telephone Number ' r/�y- �Q / � Strcet Location o£ Proper .{ .� .� .'/1�/ 11'PG OF REQUL•ST ,_ � Re.zoning � Special Usc Pcrmit Approval of Premin-� inary $ Final Plat �' Strcets or Alley ` Vacations Other Fee��,�� Reccipt No.� Lega1 Description of Property i Present Zoning Classification iZ 3 Existing llse o£ Property j�AGW hJ'1 Aereage of Property Qr'vp�C p%�u"� Describe briefly the proposed zoning classificatio;. � � or type of use and improvement proposed C, �� . % S r"'Y)� '' 12Es1L L-iSr�%� ., .-��t� . Has the present applicant previously sought to rezone, plat, obtain a lof split or • variance or special use permit on the subject site or•parf of it?' ' yes��no. hfiat was requested and wlien? . � • . � _..__ The undersigned understands that: (a) a list of ail residents and otianers of�operty b•ithin 3o0 feet (350 fcet for rczoning) miist be attached to this appli�ation. (b) This application must be signed by all o�vners of thc property, or an explanation given tehy this is not tlie case. (c) :esponsibility for any defect in the proceedinos resulting from thc failure to list the names and sddresses of all residents and propert�� owncrs of property in Ruestion, belongs to the undcrsigned. . A sketch of proposel property �nd structure must be dra�s�t and attached, showing the following: 1. North Direction. 2. La.ation of proposed structure on thc lot. $. llimensions o.f pioperty, proposed structure, and front and side setbacks. 4, Street Names�. S. Location and use of adjaccnt existing builciings (tieithin 300 fcet) The unclersigned hereby Jeclares tliat �1 the facts nd represcntations,stated in thi� applicatioiz arc truc and correct. / • ��o S u,v0�� ���� ��Y � � � ` ! ",� �, DATi I� — /�- 7% SIGNATURE �? �%t � � ./1 �r�e_ � t �' (APl'LICAN7'} . , . Daic Fileci Datc of Flcaring Planni��g Commission Approvcd City Coimcil Approved � � Planning Commission November 8, 1977 City Counci 4MILING LIST ZOA �77-04, SUNDIAL REALTY C4. Rezone part of Lot 6, A.S. #25 from R-3 to CR-1 (general offices and limited businesses) Sundial Realty Inc. 2817 Anthony Lane N.E. Minneapolis> Mn 55418 Real Estate 1�, Inc. 7420 Unity Avenue North Minneaplis, Mn 55443 Arvin T. Gearman 6225 University Avenue NE fridley, Mn 55432 Wheelock Enterprises 6225 University Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Donald H. Bratt 67g1 Overton Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr...&Mrs. Raymond Sullivan 5525 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr. Rdtirs. Lorne 0'Donnell 5509 Central Avenue N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Mr, & Mrs. Roger frank 5512 Fillmore Street N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 John Nordstrom 4530 W. 77th Street Minneapolis, Mn 55435 ,� Mr. & Mrs. Ted Field 1030 Lynde Drive N.E. Fridley, Mn 55432 Ms. Cathy M. Benson 1020 Lynde Drive N.E. 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Council Action:Date+_ RFS4ARKS : Fropexty Location on Street or E�cact Street Address (IF ANY) � Q( � �/Gl GcJ/sUD 4��� Legal Deacription of Froperty: SfE /�G� DF-�"•PiPr� o�t/ J�r/ S�uKVT y. _ _ i G,<� -�s-G, /�5�is To Co�t/s�uc �T �} ��AL �s7�T� �i�ic�. _ The undersi�ned representations correct. hexeby declares that all the facta an3 stated in this application nnmE:�.T aS�977 BEI,O[J F'OR CITY IISE ONLY CHECKED BY STAi�F DATE Hemarks are true and (See reverse side for additional instruct�� � PLANNING COMMIS5ION: Date oT Conaideration -_; Remarks: . CITY COUNCIL: Date of Conaideration - Remarka• - ! jnjn'v �"� n ,5 . � .. . .. . ti ! MEMBERS PRESENT: t +�ERS ABSENT: OTEiERS PRESENT : HUI�IAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING November 3, 1977 garbara Shea, Ned Storla, Harold gelgum, David Thiele Grace Lynch (resigned) pete glemin�, A�inistrative Assistant Betty Christlieb, Housing Specialist Larry Dobson, Tenant/Landlord Project Committee CAI�I, TO ORDER: (:hairperson Shea called the meeting to order at 7:40 p.m, APPROVAL OF SF.PTF�IBEB 1, 1977, ffiTMlaN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: P10TION by David Thiele, seconded by Ned Storla, to approve the SeptemUer 1, 1977, Human Resources Cormiission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REVVIEW OF "ADVISORY STAP7DARDS POR LAIQD USE REGUI,ATION5": Ms: Christlieb staCed that this booklet dealt with the idea of actually making IO�t size requirements smaller and changing zoning requirements to make moderate cost housing more,affordable. Also, the size of families was used for 7ecommended square fooCage of the houses. She stated that a list of criteria the Commission should go through was on page 12. Ms. Shea stated that the sixth paragraph on page ll bothered her. It stated that ��gourteen of 81 communities surveyed in the Metropolitan area require a garage to be constructed when single-family homes are built." She stated thak this Cit}� was one of the £ourteen communities. She emphasized that over a year ago, this Commission voted unanimously that garages not be requixed, tliat the driveway and parking area were fine, but no garage. Garages cost a 1oe of money and this Commission felt it unnecessary to require a garage to be built at the same time the house was built. She stated thaC the Planning Commission tvould be looking at the zoning code in January so maybe this was an:'area that the Commission should look at again. Ms. Christlieb stated that the Commission might also want to look at the sliding scale on page 9 regarding the size of households. �� HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MEETING NOVEM$ER 3, 1977 - YAGE 2 Mr. Selgum stated he would be interested zn comparing the number o£ cases of families building their own hames against the number of developers building homes £or resale. Mr. Thiele stated he felt there was not enough grouped areas of land left in �ridley for da_velopers to be building a lot of homes for resale--possibly a smaller contractor building two or three houses. MY. $tqr�H YPfPYYP� Yn tho rhart nn n3ae A..,�� ��� �y� y� �� g�� �i � - �- �... �� �.�.� �. house was broken down to the size of the household. He wondered if this was a workable way of determining house size, because a household of two adults and two children, for example, could later expand to two adults and three children. As the family expanded, they couldn't be asked to move out of thei.=_- home. He thought it was a good suggestion but not a workable one. Ms.Qlristlieb state3 that, in her opinion, there could be a problem when a family of two aduZts and one child built a home, and then that family had more children. She state that by and large, most people these days knew what size family they wanted to have, and would build accordingly. In the case of the two adults, this covld apply to the couple who had grown childrzn, and now wanted a smaller house. She stated that this was a standard recom- mended by the Metro Council, that could be used for building a home. The idea was that i.n the Comprehencive iiousiug P=3itS� the citi°s were si:pi osed L'� prncidc ic:^ s��er�te cest heusing, a..3 2ffordable no•.asing fer mc*_'e p�eple. Ttiis was one of t't!e c,ays the cities could use. She sCute� that E'ridley was prol:abl;� aUouY. 95i deceioperl, and there really s�an't. a severe prablem. '!'he orily proUlem could be i:s some of the industrial. 2ax:d was rzzoned as res_dential at sorae paint in tue future. Ms. Shea stated she felt the size of the house should be in relation to the size of the property. Some day she might �aant a little house on a little lot. She would like to see some discretion given by the city or somebody to this kind of situation, Chat the size of the house Ue in relation to the size of the property if it tit in with the aesthetics that were already there Mr. $elgum stated that one of the Commission's functions was to represent the citizens of Fridley in different matters and thfs was a good example. He stated he felt the Commission could not represent the citizens of Fridley because they were limited to their personal opinions, He wondered if there was some way of sampling out the neighborhoods to get a more representative th.inking than just five Co�ission members could manage. Ms. Shea stated she would rather lea��e the zoning code as it was and have people come in for a variance. This gave the officials who had to decide a better idea of what the situation was in a certain area. HUMAN RESOURCES COMMLSSION MEETING NOVEMBER 3, 1977 - PAGE 3 I rs9 rfr � ... . . . . ....� Mr. Thiele stated he thou ht it would be a t�� g good idea if there could be an amendment in the zoning code that would let people,coming into Fridley who wanted to build a house, know there was other possibilities such as the Appeals C��mission. �.aybe a statement that there was a special commission in which to pursue Cheir special situations, From the human resources point of view, they were looking at the person just starCing out who could just afford a home and wanted to live in Fridley and they were looking at it from the neighbor's point of view who had to look at this house. This statement would give the neighbors a minimum chance to speak for themselves and would also give this person a chance to build a house. 14r. �elgum staCed that they should not be looking at the size of the families ` but should be looking at the realtors who sold the property as that was tahere it started. — MOTION by Harold gelgum, seconded by Ned Storla, to recommend that Planning Co�ission develop the ways and means whereby sellers of real estate must inform buyers, before completing sale, of all restrictions that the city had curretttly with regard to the lot being puxchased. Ms. Shea stated that there might already be some regulation covering this, 'but it should be something to be looked into. 14r. �hiele stated that he felt Fridley had an advantage iE it was 95% built up. He did not know how many undersized lots there were or how many peop7.e wanted to build amaller houses or were having 1ot sizes reduced. He could not see it as a big problem just to leave the zoaing code as it was and `amend or note in the zoning code to set up some standards for training or familiarization with the people who handled the building permits and the people, giying out the iiiformation explaining to them and the people coming in that there was an appeals process. IIPON A VOICE VOTE, ALL VOTING AYE, THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by Harold Belgum, to suspend the review of "Advzsory Standards for Land Use Regulations" for a few minutes in order `to get Mr. Larry Dobson's report on the Tenant/Landlord Project Coa�ittee. IIpon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, REPORT FROM TENANT/LANDLORD PRO.7ECT COPiMITTEE: Mr, Dobson stated that they had recessed for the sununer and had held their first meeting since then in OcCober at the lit+rary. He stated it was a poorly attended meeting, He stated [hey had now decided to regularly schedule their ttieetings on every second Monday at City Hall and, hopefully, tliis suould bring in better attendaace. �: � HUMAN RESOURCES CO�IISSION MEETING NOVEMBER 3, 1977 - PAGE 4 '..�- �Mr. bobson sta[ed that he would like the following people added to the Tenant/Landlord project Cou�ittee list; Jack Raymond, Resident Manager of Meadow Run - landlord representative 7855 East River Road for large complex Dewey Wellendorf, Fridley Terrace - landlord representative for large 7400 Hwy 65 N.E. camplex ,Toan Anderson - tenant 5430 - 7th St. N.E. MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by David Thiele, to appoint the above three people to the Tenant/Landlord Project Committee. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 'Mr. Dobson stated they were planning some progxams for future meetings. For the December meeting, they had asked the police Department to speak xo them abouC-the ways burglary and vandalism can be r2duced on rental property. Mr, Dobson stated that at the Rice Creek Townhouses where he lived, the management had a new policy and that �aas that they were now turning away people wirh mere than two c,hil3ren. ?t was becoming moie and mo.re the attitude bf pr.operty owners *_o try te geL- ao*ay from reix*_inb tu far�ilies F�ith chilciren. He -r.er"e-rred to a retital survey that was done in. Prieley the previous pear. He said it tiaas interest_ng tfl aote that there waxe 93 efficier.cp.imits, 1,I97 oee-bedroom units, 1,182 tolo-bedroom uni.ts, ar.d on1y.20.i thc?e-bedroom units. This included the Aice Creek To'K-ni�cuses where he lived and only 59 three-bedroomn units were in apartment buildings, TI?is m2de it very difficult for families moving to the suburb fram the inner-city. They could live in a two-bedroom unit just so long and then there was nothing in the community unless they could afford a home. In most cases, they were forced back into the inner-city. He said inadequate living space causes a strain on living conditions. He wondered if the limited housing availability in FridTey had an effect on the growth of the community. He wondered if the reduction in schools had any relation to the availability of housing in Fridley. Mr. Dobson stated he brought this up because he felt it was something that should be looked into. He said he did not think it was a co�unity problem--it extended beyond that, Mr. Iielgum.stated he wondered if there was some expert in Minneapolis who had possi,bly looked into this movement of families and if there was a study done on it. Mr. Storla stated that if house size affected family relations, then it was something the Co�ission should know before reducing house sizes. a'�:i.► t �a HUMAN RESOUI2CES COMMISSSON MEETTNG NOVENIBER 3, 1977 - PAGE 5 Mr. Dobson stated that the C�ittee was working on putting together a booklet of respective rights of tenants and landlords and places they could go for help whenever they had problems, Ms, Christliab stated that this was an appropriate time to make her report on the Section 8 Rental Assistance Program. This was a HUD program ran metro-wide in 50 of the suburban communities. St. Paul and Minneapolis have their own program. rridley takes applications from people whose income falls within the guidelines esta6lished by Hi1D, and after verifying their income and assets,.medical expenses or other unusal expenses� the application, along with all verifications are sent to the Metro Council HRA. They use guidelines established by HUD to issue certificates for one, two and three bedroom rental units. Since Fridley went into the program 1 1/2 years ago� 151 applications have been received and, as of,November 1, 1977, 51 family units are under contract for rental assistance. These people pay 25% of their total adjusted income towards their rent, the balance being subsidized by HUD through the Metro HItA. Most applicants from Ezidley are on Social Security or AFDC. The subsidy can be renewed annually, and continues until their income exceeds the HUD guidelines, or they decide to drop the program themselves. � Ms. Christlieb said that the majority of three bedroom units rented for more than the maximum rent established by HUD, and were also in short supply, so people who we-re entitled to rent assisCance for a 3 bedroom unit foand it very difficult to find this size unit. Ms. Shea stated thaC the Couviission should be in touch with the Canadian Financial Corporation-to find out where they stood on this subsidized housing, The Commission should intend to sit in on some of their meetings and find out when they would be sYarting the planning process. � RECEIVE LETTER FROM MRS, HILDA EAP4ERICK c/o Robert A, Riese, 6031 - Sth St. N•E.: `MOTION by David q'hiele, seconded by Ned Storla, to receive the 1eCter from Mrs. Hilda Emmerick regarding application for the new Senior Citizen High Rise Apartments. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. REVIEW OF "ADVISORY STANDARDS FOR LAND USE REGULATIONS" (CONT.): MOTION bq Ned Storla, seconded by Bavid Thiele, to recommend that a garage requirement`be r.emoved from the city 2oning ordinance but that space be .`allowed fox placement of a futute garage. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. �s. Shea stated she thought it would be helpful for the Commission members to have copies of the zoning code. MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by }larold Belgum, to continue discussion ,on the ��qdvisory Standards for Land Use Regulations�� at the next meeting. UFon a voice vote, all wting aye, the motion carried unanimously. ,. �� , HUMA,N RESOURCES CONAffSSION MEET.ING NOVEMBER 3, 1977 - PAG� 6 OTHER BLISINESS: RESIGNATION OF COMMISSION 1�MBF.R: MOTION by Ned Storla, seconded by David Thiele, to receive with regret the resignation of Ms, Grace Lynch from the Human Resources Commission, pending receipt of her letter oi- resignation. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. COMMUNICATIONS: �. Belgum s tated that he had talked to a number of peopLe in gridley who claimed that one problem in pridley was that there were too many people who did not have any connection with any committee, alderman, planner, or anyone-- in city government, and that there was a need for some kind of new structure to sense more clearly how to get a representative input from the population. ge raised the question to see if there was any interest among the Co�ission members in experimenting �aith s ome way of recognizing the neighborhoods-- some'way of getting more connection between the citizens of Fridley, the government, planning, etc. Mr. Thiele stated he would Ue willing to try something--maybe some kind of po11 could fle attempted after the elections. Ms. Shea stated that when the Parks & Recreat:ion Cocrr.i.s<i.o-i aere setL-ing up nei�hborhood proje:et contnittees to stuciy the par3cs, in some eas-r.s, they coaild not fissd �eopie to serve on tt�ese committees. If pec�pl.e wez-e not i.nterested in [heir parks, khey would never car.ie out [o t:alic acc,ut government iir. Thiele stated that maybe it caould help if people were more aware of the Commission's open meetings. Ms. Shea stated that the Planning Coc�mission was still working on the �omprehensive Plan for the city and one of the goals was "co�uni..ation"-- promotiag better communication within the city. pir. Belgum stated that he thought that communications must be one of the biggest worries in the city government for planning. He thought it was particularly appropriate for the Commission to think about it. Mr. Fleming stated that the City did receive a lot of phone calls so, inHirectly, they did get some kind of feel of where sane of the people were at on some issues, but it was a hard thing to measure. MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Harold gelgum, to recommend that some- one with a specific communications background be appointed to fill the vacancy on the Hnman Resources Commission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously, '� HUMP,N RESOURCES CdNII�iISSION MEETING NOVEMBET{ 3, 197) - PAGE 7 ADJOURNMENT : MOTION by David Thiele, seconded by Harold �elgum, to adjourn Che meeting at 9;57 p.m. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Respectfully su �itted, ` L e 5�---ab��2� �� gecording Secretary ' `e !` �3 F # � 7 � . � � —.__ _ ����� __ __--.--- - �- --- ---__. __-------L""`""� ___;____ ._ _ ��� �-3, / ��"� _ _ - - _ i¢�' _ __ _ _ � _ __ _ _------- `� � %� . u�> _ ��, �� �i� i � -.� /L-�= � -. _ _ -----__ %� �� ��.: �� � � % -_ �z���� �� �-_ _ _- � _ . __---- �G%?� �—__ _ .�Zs �c�'f� .J�'�._ - _ � " �v�f�.�/`.� � �%� . , _ _ _ ����,. . _ __. _ _ _ _ __ _ l�ny �� `a�n.� � • g z z �t B,e,�Navw,N� PKw y, — __ __ _ _ �'� :����� ,� c _ _ _ _ . _ _ _. _ —— _ _ __ Si�__- __ _ _ -- — _ _ �" _ _ -�: - � ___— — ___ � rt t � � CALL TO ORDER: CITY OF FRIDI,EY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING NOVFS7BER 23� 1977 Chairperson Harris called the November 23� 1977� Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:1�0 P.M, ROLL CALL• --•�—• Members Present: Membexs Absent: Others Present: Shea, Oquist, Aarris, Peterson, Langenfeld Schnabel, Bergman (represented by Oquist) Ruben Acosta APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: NOU�.R�BER 9 19'7'7 MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Commission approve the November 9� 19'77, Planning Commission minutes. Mr. Langernfeld requested that the last paragraph on Page 1 be taken out of the minutes. He said that the statement that Ms. Schnabel referred to had never been made by Ms, Sporre and that it was erroneously stated in the Environmental Commission minutes. �_ � UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Planning Commission minutes were approved as amended at 7:43 p.M. 1. PUBLIC HEARING• CONS�,D Ram7�N � n pRnpnsFn PTAT� P�_S_ #77—OE� BROTTT.TTNTI�.S �F'TRST 11PTlTTT(IN�RV RnRRy C. BROTTLUND: REPLAT OF LOT 17'� AUDITOR's SUBDIVISION N0. 23� ALONG WITH THE WESTERLY �- OF GRAND AVENUE� VACATED BY COURT DECREE� RECORDED ON JUNE 30� 19l�gT FRIDLEY PARK ADDITION� GENERALLY LOCATED IN THE 6400 BLOCK ON THE EAST SIDE OF EAST RIVER ROAD N,E. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to open the Public Aearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at '7:44 P.M. Mr. Acosta explained the previous action that had occurred on the lots, He said that a question had come up regarding the vacation of Grand Avenue and whether the vacation included Mr. Brottlund's property. Mr. Acosta said that it did include Mr. Brottlund's property. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 23, 1977 Pa�e 2 3 p Mr. Acosta indicated that each of the lots in question were 12,32� square feet which were adequate to build an R-i dwelling, He said that service to the lots were provided near-by and that no easements were required. Chairperson Harris questioned how much of the vacated Grand Avenue would go to Mr. Brottlund's property. He said that the original plat had showed the entire Grand Avenue as part of the parcel and he wanted to know exactly how much would go to his property, Mr. Brottlund said that only � of the vacated Grand Avenue would go to his property. Mr. Kenneth Hughes of 6424 Ashton Avenue N. E, indicated that he had been led to believe that the entire Grand Avenue vacation was to go to the pro erty owner to the East of Grand Avenue and not split in � with � to the East property owners and � to the West property owners. He said that he still was questioning the distribution of the land of the vacated Grand Avenue, Chairperson Harris said that the normal procedure was tkat in the original Plat if the dedication for the Street had come from g of Mr. Hughes' plat and '-z came from Mr. Brottlund's Plat then when the street was vacated, the land would return to the original plat. Mr. Hughes said that someone would have to go back to the ORIGINAL plat and decide exactly where the dedication for the Grand Avenue had come from. He said that he still had questions as to the exact ownership of the vacated land. Mr. Hughes said that he felt the same regarding these lots as he had when Mr. Brottlund had proposed to build duplexes on the lots. He said that due to the lack of any parks in the area� he would like to see the lots remain vacant, to be used as park land rather than more houses. Mr. Brottlund indicated that it was part of a surveyor's job to do all the research necessary to know exactly what belongs where when he does a replat of property. He said that before it can get final approval all the facts have to be substantiated, Chairperson Harris said that the lots were zoned R-1. He wanted to know Mr. Brottlund�s intent for the property. Mr. Brottlund said that he planned to construct two single family dwellings. Mr. Acosta explained that vaithout the area in question the lots would still have over 10,000 square feet, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEhiBER 23, 1977 Pa�e 3 3 B MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, al1 voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearin$ was closed at 7:56 P.M. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the consideration of a proposed plat, P.S. #77-06, Brottlund's First Addition, by Barry C. Brottlund: Replat of Lot 11� Auditor's Subdivision No. 23, along with the 4Yesterly �- of Grand Avenue, vacated by court decree� recorded on June 3�> >948, Fridley Park Addition, generally located in the 6400 Block on the East Side of East River Road N.E. Upo$ a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2, 5UNDIAL REAI,TY COMPANY; REZONE THAT PART OF THE NORTH $0 F'EET OF LOT 6� AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISION N0, 25� LYING EASTERLY OF THE NORTHEASTERLY RIGHT-OF-WAY LINE OF THE OUTER DRIVE OF THE STATE TRUCK HIGHWAY #65e AND WEST OF A LINE i253.20 FEET WEST OF THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6� AS MEASURED AT RIGHT ANGLES T0� AND PARALLEL WITH� TAE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6 FROM R-3 (GENERAL MULTIPLE FAMILY DWELI,INGS), to CR-1 �GENERAL OFFICES AND LIMITED BIISZNESSES)� THE SAME BEING 961 HILL4VIND ROAD N,E, MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Oquist� to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at 8:00 P,M, Mr. Acosta explained that the request was to rezone a present R-3 lot to CR-1. He said that the building would be directly South of the Real Estate 10 building. He said that most of the surrounding areas was zoned R-1, He said that North of the Real Estate 10 office and the 1Uausau Model Homes there were some R-3 properties, but that basically it was an R-1 zoned area surrounding the proposed development site. Mr.=Peterson questioned the zoning of the property that was East of the proposed site. He felt that Staff should look at the zoning because of the closeness of the land to the Freeway, Mr, Acosta said that there was already R-1 dwellings on Hillwind Road N.E, Ms. Shea said that there were very new }�omes along Hillwind Road that the residents would be very upset at a rezoning of the property near-by, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 23, tg�� Pa�e 4 3 C Mr. Acosta said that the only access to the property was off of Hillwind Road. He said that with the development of lots 3� 4� Sr 6, 7, 8& 9, Polk Street NE is planned to be extended, He indicated that no exact date had been set for the street extension but that it would be extended at the time the plans go in to City Hall for the development of the above listed lots. He said that the planned street �ight of w�y would be a.tri�riqle on the pmnerty. He �howed :��e� L>iannin�_Commission a map of the proposed Polk S�ieet "triarigle"�- '' Chairperson Harris questioned what would be done regarding the lots that would be cut off once the ��street+� was put through. Mr. Acosta said that he wasn't sure, The Planning Commission also discussed the Plat of the area in question. The map that Mr. Acosta showed them and the Plat did not agree in several aspects. Mr. Jim Villella of 532j Matahorn Gircle (representing 5undial Realty Company) indicated that most of the land that was close to the proposed building had such a steep drop that he didn't believe that anyone would or could build on that hill, Chairperson Harris asked what Mr. Villella's intent was with the building. Mr. Vi11e11a said that it would be exac�ly like Real Estate 10. He said that the building would blend well into the area. He said that it would be properly e�€cavated and landscaped. He said that it would have a 2/3 walk-out basement, Mr. Peterson asked if the land was being purchased through Mr. Gearman. Mr. Villella said that they were buying the land from a person who owned Lots 6& 7. He said that it was not Mr. Gearman. Mr. Peterson referred to the land that had the steep incline and if it was possibly owned by the same person who owned the property Sundial Realty was buying from. Mr. Villella said that the person they were buying from owned approximately 300 feet of that land. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVII�IBER 23, 197i Page 5 Mr. Peterson said that he has known of other pieces o£ property like the property with the steep incline and he said that strangely enough someone has come up with plans of how to use that land. He said that unless the Planning Commission has all the questions answered� they will eventually get into problems. Mr. Peterson wanted to know tivhen they planned to start construction, Mr. Villella said that they wanted to start in February 1978. Chairperson Harris asked about the seaver and water that would serve the Sundial Realty Company. Mr. Acosta said that Sundial would have to pay for the extension of the sewer facility off of Polk Street NE, He said that water would come off of Hillwind Road. MOTION by Mr, Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table Rezoning Request� ZOA #?7-04, BY SUNDIAL REALTY COMPANY: Rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, lying Easterly of the Northeasterly right- of-way line of the Outer Drive of the State Truck Highway #65 and West of a line �253�20 feet West of the East line of said Lot 6, as measured at right angles to, and parallel with, the East line of said Lot 6� from R-3 (general multiple family dwellings), to CR-1 (general offices and limited businesses), the same being 961 Hillwind Road N.E. Mr. Peterson said that there were too many unanswered questions. He wanted Staff to get the Planning Commission a complete "picture" of what would happen to the property along Hillwind Road. Mr. Peterson explained that there was 1�000 feet that the Planning Commission didn't know what was happening with, he said they didn't know where building was going-on on Hillwind Road coming from the other direction, he said that there were several property owners that were involved and he wanted to be sure that no person's properties tvere cut off with the needed easements that would be involved with the extension of Polk Street. He felt that all the questions had to have answers before he could vote properly. Chairperson Harris said that the location of Polk Street had to be indicated more accurately, Chairperson Harris explained that the reasons for tabling the item was not the problem of Sundial Realty. He said that the Planning Commission and Staff had to do a little more research regarding the surroundin� areas. 3D PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVII�IBER 23, 19�7 Pa�e 6 3 E Mr. Langenfeld said that he didn't see any problem vaith the actual request. Ae said that the problems could be the result of the rezoning request and the surrounding problems that could take place and that was what the Planning Commission has to be sure of what they are doing so they don't create further problems. Chairperson Harris said that he didn't know actually what the Street plans were for the area, UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye the motion carried unanimously. Rezoning Request� ZOA #77-Oy, by Sundial Realty Company was tabled until December 7, 1977. 3. REQUEST FOR LOT SPLIT L_S. {�77-14, v NnrAT, RFnT.mv COMPANY: SPI,IT OFF THAT PART OF LOT 6� AUDITOR'S UB�ION N0, 25� AS DESCRIBED IN REZONING REQUEST� THE SAME BEING 961 HILL4UIND ROAD N,E, MCTION by Mr. Peterson� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to table the request for Lot Split� L,S, #77-1l�� by Sundial Realty Company: Split off that part of Lot 6, Auditor�s Subdivision No. 25, as described in rezoning request, the same being 961 Hillvrind Road N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The item was tabled until December 7, 1977, 1�. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMISSION MINUTES: Ni7VII�ER 3, 1977 MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Peterson� to receive the November 3� 1977, Human Resources Commission minutes. Ms. Shea thanked the Planning Commission for the opportunity to look at the Housing Maintenance Code. Ms. Shea said that there was a new member on the Commission. She said that Dobson replaced Lynch. Chairperson Harris said that he felt Ms, Christlieb's statement that Fridley aras about 95q developed was a little high, Mr. Acosta said that the number was approaching 90%. Chairperson Harris said that Ms. Christlieb also had stated that the only problem could be if some of the industrial land vras rezoned as residential at some point in the future. Mr. Harris felt that Fridley tivould probably get some pressure in that direction, There was some discussion regarding Mr, Harris' statement. PLANNING C�MMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 23, 1977 Pa�e 7 3 F UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, The Human Resources Commission minutes of Idovember 3� 1977, were received at 8:53 P�M. Chairperson Harris declared a ten minuie break at 8;53 P,M, Mr. Peterson said that he was very disappointed with what had been furnished to the PTanning Commission regarding the Rezoning Request, ZOA #77-04� by Sundial Realty Company, He felt that at that point in time they should have been furnished with more answers and more detail than what they had received. He felt that the Planning Commission had embarrassed the gentlemen from the Real Estate Company because the Commission didn't know what they were doing. He wanted Staff to be informed that when such items are to be handled by the Planning Commission� that the Commission get more complete information rather than having to guess about it. 5. CONTINUED: PARK AND OPEN SPACE PLAN Mr. Ray Leek yvas present at the Planning Commission meeting basically as an observer, but also to help answer questions tha� he might have the answers to, Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Boardman had been asked for more information regarding Page 20 of the Parks and Open Space Plan, ��Acquisition of properties", Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission had felt that the acquisition of properties was a KEY ISSUE of the Plan, Mr. Leek indicated that he preferred not to give his viewpoints on the issue mainly because it had been quite some time since he had actually worked with the document. He said that he hadn't formulized any ideas at that time. Mr, Peterson said that he understood that there was a problem of management and of reporting, but as the Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Commission and knowing the problems of Administration and knowing of the problems they ran into when dealing with the Public, he found it difficult to feel comfortable with all the statements that are made on the Planning Commission. He found it difficult with all that's inputted by Staff that really is not the actioi: of the Parks and Recreation Commission. He said that either the Parks and Recreation Commission is there for a purpose or it's not. He said that he didn't feel comfortable "with all the cooks that are working on the stew��, PLANNING COMMISSTON MEETING - NOVEMBER 23, 1977 Pa�e 8 3 � Mr. Peterson said that specifically what he objected to was that wording should not be changed without the Parks and Recreation Commission having something to say about it. He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission had worked for better than a year on the Plan, He didn't think it was the purpose of the Planning Commission to go through and change words and paragraphs, He didn't think the Planning Commission should be spending their time amending the Plan on a word-to- v�ord basis. Mr. Peterson said that he was upset because of the fact that it is said to be okay to change it because Staff has drawn it up or Staff has put it in. He was upset because the Parks and Recreation Director has never appeared in front of the Commission. He said it wasn�t right to do all the changing because the Parks and Recreation staff has spent many hours putting the document together. Mr. Langenfeld asked if Mr. Peterson was trying to say, �'this is our document, leave it alone��? Mr. Peterson said that rather than the Planning Commission spending their time amending the document, that if they disagreed �vith vahat was in the Plan� then they should send it back to the Parks and Recreation Commission. Ms. Shea said that she thought that it was the Planning Commission's job to go through the different ordinances and plans. She said that basically the sub-commissions are to recommend to Planning Commission, who recommends to City Council, Chairperson Harris said that when the PZanning Commission went through the Parks and Open Space Plan, there were some statements made� especially in the Summary of Findings, that could not be agreed with, Mr. Oquist said that he felt that that was somebody's findings and they have to be accepted as findings made, He said that it was a summary of findings, by a group of people that had permission to do that. He said some of the things stated, people have worked with and they should be taken as facts, Mr. Peterson felt that a lot of time tivas being spent doing each others svork� He said that he didn't quite understand what City Council had in mind when they came up with the Charter Revision to change the Commission set-up and he didn't feel that City Council knew what they tivere doing either. Chairperson Harris said that he personally felt that the 26 members of all the Commissions really made up the Planning Commission, He felt that the Planning Commission represented the member commission. He felt that if the Bnvironmental Commission had an idea that could be of benefit to the Human Resources Commission, he couldn't see anything vrrong with the cross-over. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 23. 1977 Pa�e 9 3 u Mr. Peterson said that he was not uncomfortable with the cross- over but how the cross-over was accomplished. He said that his main concern was to protect the integrity of what the Parks and Recreation Commission had done and to protect the integrity of the Planning Commission within the Charter, Chairperson Harris felt that the Parks and Qpen Space Plan should be revie�ved by all the Commissions because it affected all the Commissions in some v�ay, Mr, Peterson agreed that it did affect a11 the Commissions, He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission should have been getting continuous feedback regarding all the amending that had been going on. Chairperson Harris said that there were some recommendations in the ��Policy and Recommendations�� section that effected every citizen in the Community and every piece of land in the community. He felt that it was in the realm of the Planning Commission to have input on the document, Chairperson Harris said that if Mr. Peterson wanted it, the document would go to City Council exactly in its original form but he said that another document with the input from Human Resources Commission, Community Development Commission, and the Environmental Commission vrould also have to be submitted to City Council, MOTION by Ms, Shea, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Parks and Open Space Plan be continued and that Chairperson Harris meet with City Council to find out tivhat they want in the Plan and what direction they want the Planning Commission to go in. Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission v�as looking at the Parks and Open Space Plan as an overall thing which would effect everybody in the City of Fridley, Chairperson Harris requested that the Parks and Open Space Plan be placed on the City Council agenda for November 28, 1977, Chairperson Harris indicated that if a Plan is drativn up it should only be drawn up for the purpose of implementing it. Mr. Oquist said that the Parks and Open Space Plan had been "pushed" through the Community Development Commission because of the time element to get the funding. Chairperson Harris said that he personally objected to draiving up plans just for funding purposes, Mr. Oquist said that what ivas wanted vaas a working document. PLANNING GOMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 2j� 1977 Pa�e 10 3I Mr. Peterson said that with the Parks and Recreation's budget and commitments� the Parks and Open Space Plan was not a workin� document. Chairperson Aarris asked why the Plan was being drawn up. He said that it tivas ridiculous to draw a document so they had something to show the Metropolitan Council. If we don't fully intend to implement the Plan' then it shouldn't be dra�vn up. Mr, Peterson said that there vrould be no ivay that the Parks and Open Space Plan could be implemented in the City of Fridley. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Parks and Open Space Plan tivas continued and Chairperson Harris vrould take the issue to the City Council meeting on November 28, 1977, to clarify tivhat tlzey wanted in regards to the Parks and Open Space Plan. There was a brief discussion regarding the actual role that the Commissions had in reviewing documents. It was decided that it should be reviewed as a document and not proofread. If the Commission does not agree with the document, then return it to the originator for rewriting. Mr. Peterson said that the Planning Commission should either accept the Parks and Open Space Plan as it was written or not accept it and send it back to the Parks and Recreation Commission to have it rewritten, He said that it tivasn't up to the Planning Commission to rewrite the Parks and Open Space Plan, Chairperson Harris stated that he was in disagreement with some of the findings� not all of them� and he felt it �vas the purpose of reviewing the Plan to indicate which items that he was in disagreement with and why. Mr. Oquist said that if Mr. Harris was in disagreement with the Summary of Findings� then the rest of the document rvas useless because the rest of the document was based on the Summary of Findin�s. He said that without first agreeing with the Summary of Findings, you can't do anything with the rest of the document. He said that everyone should have been in agreement with the Summary of Findings before the rest of the document vras even �vritten. PLANNING GOMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 2�, 1977 Pa�e 11 Mr. Peterson said that that was why he had been uncomfortable with what was happening, He felt that at this point that the Summary of Findings should have either been accepted or rejected; and if it was rejected, then it should have been sent back to the Parks and Recreation Commission, He said that the Planning Commission should have said that they disagreed with certain findings for stated reasons and requested that they be rewritten and resubmitted for their revieva. 6. HOUSING MAINTI'NANCE COD� Mr. Acosta said that the cost breakdo�vn Maintenance Code �vould be ready in one the Code would be discussed at the Janu Conference meeting. %. SIGN ORDINANC� of the Housing month. He said that ary City Council Chairperson Harris said that he had been at the second reading of the Sign Ordinance. He said that the Ordinance tivas passed without amendments. He tivished to thank all the member commissions and the Sign Committee for all the hard work and all the hours that they put on it. He felt that they had done a good job and he thought that it was a good Ordinance. Mr. Acosta asked if anyone from the Public were present at the meeting that may have opposed the passing of the Sign Ordinance. Chairperson Harris said that no one was there to oppose it from the Public. Mr. Oquist said that he felt that better communications was needed in the Community. He said that no one opposed because not tha� many people were really aware of the fact that the Sign Ordinance ivas being heard or voted on. Mr. Langenfeld said that if the people knew what was happening, that Gity Ha11 would have been packed, There was a brief discussion regarding ways to better inform the people of the City of Fridley, 8. ENERGY COMMISSION Chairperson Harris said that an Energy Commission bvas being proposed and he wanted to kno�� what the Planning Commission members thoughts were on the idea. 3J PLAA%TING COMMISSION MEETING - NOVEMBER 2 1977 Pa�e 12 3� Chairperson Harris asked each of the members to think on the idea and to 1et him knotiv their ideas, Mr. Peterson said that indeed the ENERGY CRISIS is a real thing, He felt that there «ere other commissions that could deal with the problem better than creating another separate commission. Mr. Langenfeld said that the entire Commission set up, the waq it was, had qualified people that could deal with the Energy problem� Mr. Oquist said that it was a very narrow charter for a Commission. Mr. Peterson felt that it could be better handled as a citizen committee under Community Development. Chairperson Harris said that they were going to look around the Community and recommend ways that the City of Fridley could save energy. Chairperson Harris asked the members to give some thoughts to the idea and �rrite them down as to vrhat to do regarding an Energy Commission. He felt that if an Energy Commission was developed then a11 the codes and ordinances would have to be looked at specifically from the Energy Standpoint� which v�as usually done anyway,, He didn�t feel that another commission just for ��Energy" items was necessary. He had given some thought that very possibly the Energy item would actually belong under the jurisdiction of the Environmental Commission. He said that possibly the name of the commission could be changed to the ��Environmental and Energy Commission��, Mr. Langenfeld said that he felt that they did inter-relate. Chairperson Harris said that possibly the Planning Commission as a whole should be the Energy Commission. He said that every one of the member commissione cJere- concerned with energy. - Mr. Peterson requested that Mr. Harris not let them create a zvhole new Commission for Energy. Chairperson Harris asked that they think about the matter and also think about what the Energy Commission should be looking at and doing and what the goals should be. ADJOURNMENT MOTION by Ms, Shea� seconded by Mr. Peterson, to adjourn the November 23� 1977� planning Commission meeting, Upon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 10;24 P,M, R� ectC� submit� MaryLee Carhill Recording Secretary