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PL 06/22/1977 - 30470;� tITY OF FRIDLEY PLAPdNING C4P1�iISSIOPJ I"�EETiivG JL'P�E 22, 197? — tALL 1'C� OfiEER = Chairperson Ha�ris called the June c2, 1977, Planning Commission rr:eeting tc� ar�er Gt 7: 35 F. r. F:OLs_ CpLL : Members Present: flembers Absent: Others Present: Shea, Bergman, Harris, Schnabel � Peterson Pete�son Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLA�NIhG COf1f�ISSION MINUTES: JUN� 8, 1977 Mrs- Schnabel indicated that since Ms. Suhrbier was at the June 8, 1977, Planning Commission Meeting� representing Mr• Peterson, he should nat have been listed on Page 1 as an Absent Member- Mrs• Schnabel corrected a typographical error on Page 16, eighth poragraph. Mrs• Boardman should have been Mr- Bo�rdman. �� MOTION by f1s. Shea, seconded by Mrs. Schnabel� that �he Planning Commission minutes of June 8, 1977, be �pproved as amended• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• 1. PUBLIC HEARING: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PER�1IT, SP �77-04, P N R� Per section � � o t e Frid ey City Code to allow sales and services of recreational vehicles on Lot 1, Block 1, Pe�rsons 2nd addition, the same bzing 7701 East River Road N.E. , MQTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Ms. Shea, to open the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was opened at 7:40 P.M. Mr• James Pawelski and Mr• Ray Amundson of Apache Camping Center� 2465 Fairview Avenue North, St• Paul� were present at the Planning Commission meeting. Mra pawelski explained that they were requesting a special use permit for the building located at 7701 East River Road N-E• fo� the sales and servicing of recreational vehicles — Fold-Down Traiiers, hlini-Motor Hcmes, Pick-Up Campers, and Travel 'i'railers• He said thct. they serviczd th� units the�nselves and �re not invalved in any engine repair work. He indicated that they planned to use the prFSent building- He said that they didn't plan to chanqe the building at all except to change the outside sign and ao� one small sign tf�at would inciicate Apache Camping Center and �nother that would indicste the brand of camper that they sold (the two sm;�ll si�ns �•rould be 4x3). PLAP�NING COMMISSSON MEETING -- JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 2 �"is. She� w�nted to know if the City was asking for a better landscappin� plan- Mr• Pawelski said that they had told him of no such request. � He indicated that all he hac! been told was that the City wanted some type of plan as to how he would display the vehicles. Chairperson Harris referenced Page CC of the agenda, tommission Application Review, ^I"ust subrnit better layout for Plar�ning Commission showing lanCSCaping and visitor parking^- Mr. Pawelski ssid that he haC never receivec� the form or had he been told of that request. Mr• Pawelski commented to the statement that read, ^No objections from Engineering �ith the exception that if existing harc! surfaced area is changed and/or increased, a drawing and grading plan must be approved to control the runoff into Springbrook Creek^. He said that they wouldn't be changing anything except they will clean the property and have better maintenance on the shrubbery that was presently on the property• Mrs. Schnabel asked if they planned to keep the driveways as they were presently located. Mr. P�welski said that the gates and driveways would remain exactly where they presently were• f1r• Paul Burkholder of 7860 Alden Way said that the property � shouldn't be turned into a scl�s lot or a^car^ lot for recreational vehicles. He said that these types of sales should be kept on University and Central Avenues. He said tl-�at East Riv�r Road was not a Commercial Strip• He said that the proposed establishment would encroach on the aesthetics and values on the surrounding properties• He referenced many of the recreational vehicle sale establishments located on Hwy 65. He felt that since it was a business venture it would involve bright lights, noise, anc� added traffic. He didn't feel that the area needed that type of activity• �ir. Lloyd Mzyers - 132 Stonybrook Way N.E. said that �he term Recreationa]. Vehicles was really very broad. He wanted to know if this Sales Building would be limited only to the four kinds Mr• Pawelski talked about. Mr. Pawelski again indicated the only four items that would be handled by the proposed business. Mr• Meyers asked if there would be any snowmobiles or all-terrain vehicles• Mr• Pawelski indicated that they would not be selling that type of vehicle• �_ PLANNING COMMISSION PIEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 3 Ms. Mary Martin of 133 Stoneybrook Way N•E• strongly protested. She said she was in total agreement with f�r• Burkholder and said that the reasons not to grant the Special Use Permit would '�`� be the same objections that were stated at the Datsun discussion. Mr. Ray Wormsbecker of 2809 Hampshire Avenue North was the Real Estate Broker for this property. He indicated that the building had been vacant for some time and that he had been wo�king on trying to lease it out. He said that there wasn't a lot of companies interested in that type of layout• He said that the building was layed-out perfectly for the type of business that Apache �amping Center would have. He felt that the Planning Commission should recommend the granting of the Special Use Permit. Mrs. Schnabel asked Mr• Meyers what he thought of the business occupying that building. fir. Meyers said that he didn't seriously object. He just didn't want to get involved with all the noise that went with snow- mobiles and motorcycles and the like• He was mostly against the idea of a lot of lights and noise• Mrs. Schnabel wanted to know the hours and days that business would be conducted. P�r. Pawe�.ski indicated that they would be open Mondays thru Thursuays from 9:D0 A.M. un�il 8:00 P.M. Fridays they would be open from ^ 9:00 A.M. until 6:00 P.M. and on Saturdays they would be open from 9:00 A.f1. until 5:�0 P.M. He said that they would not be open on Sundays. Mrs. Schnabel wanted to know if there were any plans to extend the hours once the�r were in the new building. Mr• Pawelski said that they didn't anticipate any different hours. He indicated that they were business people and that their livlihood depended on customers. He said that if someone came into the showroom close to closing time, that they would probably remain open until that customer had been taken care of. Mrs. Schnabel asked how many vehicles would be stored outside the showroom. Mr. Amundson indicated that it would depend on the season. He said that in the Spring the inventory was heavier than the other seasons. He estimated that, including the units on the showroom floor, there would be about 30 units. He said that they didn't keep a lot of inventory. He said that the business operated mostly from orders. �, PLANNING COf1�1ISSICN MEETIPJG — JUP1E 2�, 1977 PAGE 4 Chairperson Harris said that the units would have to be small or else the building and property would be crowded• He felt that the petitioners had a lot of outside storage of units. ^ Mr• Pawelski said that the inventory was goverr.ed by their banker- He said that at present they had seven travel trailers, �ive mini- motor homes, nine pick-up campers, and 20 cabs {the cabs are on racks, 4 to a rack}. He said that basically they woulcf have the units on aisplay. The customer would order what he wanted based on what he would s2e from the display• Chairperson Harris questioned that only five parking stalls for customers was provided on the drawing. He wanted to know if they felt that was real3y all they' would need. Mr. Amundson indieated that their operation was basically small• He didn't really feel that much more than five spaces would be needed. Chairperson Harris said that there was basically no room for on-the-street parking. How would they arrange for over-load parking. Mr• P�welski said that it was hard to put on paper exactly how many cars would be at the business at one time• Chairperson Harris explained how he interruptzd the drawing he had before him. He said that he didn't feel there would be adequate space for off-street parking. ^ Mr• Wormsbecker indicated that there was enough biacktop to provide 43 parking spaces. r�r• Pawelski said that the drawing was nat to scale and that there would be ample space for the outside display units as well as off-street parking for customers. Chairperson Harris said that he wanted the map revised. P1r• Pawelski agreed that the map should be revised; basically, drawn to scale. In answer to a question by Mr• Bergman, Mr•�!ormsbecker inciicated that even though the property waszoned for commercial, they need a special use permit to display outside the building. M r• Bergman wanted to know what the petitioner planned in way of construction. M r• Amundson said that they only planned to change one of the garage doors by making it higher• They also planned to change the sign outside the building- �� R► r�1NING COf1f1IS�I0N MEETING — JL1NE 22, 1977 PAGE 5 (�r. C�!;�:,'��,ld_r ir�dica�ed that �he own�r of the property was only plar�r;ir�y to Iease the front pa�t of the building to the petitioners. He fel�, tha� as leasees the petitioners would, indeed, only dc� !'1 as little as possible to the property. He also didn't believe thot the bui�dir,g was large Pnough to take care of the cisplaying of their products during ir�c'l�ment weather• He said that he didn't fai�lt the petitioners tor being ambitious and energetic a-id hdrd-working businessmen who wanted ico expand their business. Ne felt that it wouldn't be long before the units would be stored all c��er the propes^ty anc; on the a�jacE�nt gross. He said that East River Roed already had enough traffic problems without adding to it �>y allc.��,�ing the petitioners � spe�i�l use permit. He felt that �he problems tha.t would result would be the same as those cited when Datsun was before the Commission. M rs. Schnabel discussed with Mr. Boardman the interpretation of the Zoning Ordinance governing the property in question• hir. Boardman indicated that anything having outside display of products needed a Special Use Permit. f�s. Mary Martin asked the Planning Commission members to go back and read all that was done when Datsun wanted to g� into that building. She felt everything pertaining to that decision was pertinent to the present request for a Special Use Permit. Chairperson Harris asked what the Staff felt about this request. �� Mr• Boarciman said that Staf1= wanted an upgrading of the property and not just a maintenance of the present property. Staff would require an extensive landscaping plan similar to what they neec+ed from Datsun. He said that the blacktop in the parking area would have to meet code standards. Since the building was zoned commercial, he felt it was up to the Commission to decide whether or not the type of business would � put an inordinate burden on the area. Mr. Bergman asked Mr• Boardman to read the uses permitted in a C2S zoning. f�r. Boardman read to the Commission and the audience the uses permitted in a �2S zoning. I"�r. Bergman indicated that then the only conflict involved was the fact that the petitioner planned to have outside storage/display. Mr�. 8oardman said that that statement was true. Chairperson Harris asked if a Special Use Permit had ever been grented on that property. /�`� �,,...,_ PLANNING COMf1ISSI0N MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 6 Mr. Boardman res�onded that if tr�e establishments were in the building before 1969, they probably didn't r�eed to have a Special Use Permit. ^ Chairperson Harris declared a short recess at 8:15 p.M. whil? Mr• Bo�rern�;r looked up the information regarding whether a Special Use Permit had ever been granted on that property• The meeting was called back to order at 8:30 P•t1• M r• Boardman indicated that there was no record of any S�ec�a1 Use Permit ever being granted for that property• MOTION by f1s- Shea, seconded by Mr• Bergman, to close the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was closed at 8:35 P.f1• Mrs. Schnabel indicated that the request for a Special Use Permit could be falling into the catagory of causing an undue hardship on the adjacent land owners because of the amount of outside vehicle storage. Because of that haroship she had reservations on granting the Special Use Permit for that type of operation on that property• Ms. Shea wanted to know where the petitioners would park the vehicles that were in for servicing. I�r. Pawelski indicated that the se►-vice area would hold three ,� or four vehicles and any more than that would have to be parked outside by the service door• Mr• Burkholder indica�ed that the petitioners would only be leasing the front half of the building and all the land. He said that the owner would be keeping the back of the building to use as a warehouse. Mr� Amundson said that he was a specialty dealer and that his products were basically seasonal• He indicated that they weren't going to be a car lot, constantly expanding• He said that it wasn't right to keep comparing the business to a car lot — almost everyone owns cars, not everyone buys campers or mini-mobile homes. Chairperson Harris wanted to know how much traffic would be generated by the owner of the building in regard to his half of the building• f9r- Wormsbecker said that he didn't know- He only knew that the owner was in the carnival business and was out of town a lot. He said that there was no way of his knowing what was being stored in the owner's part of the building- ^ PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING — JUNF 2�� 1977 PAGE 7 �s• Shea said th�t she knew for a fact that most of the units ^ didn't sit on the lots for very long• She said that most of the inventory moved ver,y rapidly• She said that basically most of the units are special ordered- Mr. Bergman didn't feel a sense of conviction either way. said it seemed that the general neighborhood preferred to see the building vacant; but he could also see that the property owner would want to put the building to some use, said that both parties did have justifiable arguments. He indicated that he a��=nted to take a closer look at the request. He also felt that more time would be beneficial the requestor so that they could spend some time with the City Staff so that he would know exactly what would be required of him regarding the property He to MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr• Peterson, that the Planning Commission continue the Public Hearing on the �equest for a special use permit, SP �77'04, Apache Camping Center: Per Section 205.101, 3N of the Fridley City Code to allow sales and services of recreational vehicles on Lot 1, Block 1, Pearsons 2nd addition, the same being 7701 East River Road N.E. Mrs. Schnabel didn't feel there would be any advantage in continuing the item. She said that she had driven past the �.,� property and had been previously on the property. She felt the basic concern was with the amount of v�hicles that would be stored outside the building. Ms. Shea said that she wanted to see the map drawn more to scale. She felt that there would be no problems wi�h over- cr.Qwding on the outside lot. UPON A VOICE VO TE , M s. Shea, M r• Bergman, and Mr . Peterson voting aye, Mrs. Schnabel and Chairperson Harris sustaining, the motion passed- Chairperson Harris indicated that the item would be continued at the next Planning Commission Meeting on July 13, 1977. He asked the petitioners to meet with f1r• Boardman with a be�ter layout of their plans. �� � PLANNING COMi1ISSI0N �IEETING — JUNE �2, 1977 PAGE 8 C• PUFiLIC HEAP.IPJG: REQUEST FOR A ��ECIAL USE PEPf'IIT, SP �77-OS, BY THF HOl1SING CORP•!D/B/A IN�T�NT �HOfi��=--�'er ri -ey City toc:e, �Section �05 , 1��„�, N� to a-I�ow a flo�ile HOme Sales Center on a 300' x],00' strip of property lying in Lot 5;A.S. �153, located between the car wash and Skywood f1a11 Shopping Center, same being 5�01 1/2 Central Avenue N.E. MO'fION by f1rs. Schnabel� seconded by Mr• Peterson, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously- The Public Hearing was opened at B:�O P•f1• (�r• Ralph Henriksen of Housing Corporation D/B/A, Instant Housing, 9550 N.E. Highway �65 was present at the meeting• I"�r• Boardman said that the plan had been revised since the Public Hearing notices had been sent out. He indicated that the petitioners had a new site plan of the operation. He said that he had talkecl with the petitioners and had inoicated w4�at the City wanted them to put in the area. f1r. Henriksen showed the Commission and the audience the site plan he had for the mobile home sales center• Mr• Henriksen said k�hat their intentions were to be if they were granted the Special Use Permit. He said that they would operate a sales display area of eight to ten units- He said that the units would be displayed and then orders would be taken based on the displayed models. He said that their intentions were to do much landscaping to the area to make the area attractive to the eye• He inoiicated that they hoped to make a nice, clean-looking display area that would be attractive to the customers as well as to the surrounding areas. Mrs. Schnabel asked that since a lot of the area will have crushed rock and gravel, would there be some type of control to keep th�s rock and gravel confined to their area. Mr• Henriksen said that it would be planned for• Mrs. Schnabel wanted to know where the customers would park. Mr• Henriksen said that they had worked with the owner of Skywood Mall, and that the parking lot presently located at the site would be expanded and improved• The mobile home customers would use that parking area. � � �. PLANNING CO�MISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 9 Mrs• Schnabel pointed out that s'r�e had noticed that currently cars.are usually parked dgainst the south wall of Skywood Mall ^ building. She wanted to know if this would continue to happen• Mr. Henriksen said that there would be landscaping against the mall building and that there would be no parking allowed against the south wall of the building. rr• Peterson asked how large the units were that would be displaye�. Mr• Henriksen said that there would be some 14' x 7�' mobile homes and a few 24' x 60' mobile homes. He said that there would be a nice mixture of both sizes. Mr• Peterson wanted to know if the illustrotion that Mr• Henriksen was �isplaying to the Cornmission actually showed the number of units that he planned to have on the l�t. M r• Henriksen said that the number of units would vary. He indicated that there would usually be eight, but sometimes ten units and once in a while there would be 12 units. Mr• Boardman pointed out that the Special Use Permit would,be issued to the owner of the property and not Mr• Henriksen. Mr• 8ergman wanted to know what the petitioners plans were as far as a water/sewer system. �� Mr. Henriksen said that the office unit would be connected to the already existing water/sewer system in Skywood f1a11- Mr. Bergman asked, that since the petitioner would be l�asing this piece of property from Skywood Mall, would the lease include the parking and other uses of the adjoining properties. Mr. Henriksen answered yes to the question. Chairperson Harris asked if one of the display models would serve as office area. �lr. Henriksen answered that the office area would be located in one of the display mobile homes. He said that the mobile home closest to the parking area would serve as the office. Chairperson Harris asked if the office mobile home would be a permanent structure. Mr. Henriksen said that it would be the one hooked up to the water and sewer systems.. �, 1 � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINC — JUNE �2, 1977 Pa e 1❑ Chairpe�son Harris asked if there would only be the eight units located on the property in qu�stion• ^ Mr• Henriksen said that they Cidn't want to be tied to just eight units. He said that possibly there would be ten or 12 units displayed at different times. Chairperson Harris guestioned if 1c mobile homes would fit on the proposed property. f1r• Henriksen said that 12 mobile homes would fit but that there would have to be a cifferent arrangement of the display homes. He pointed out that there may be times that three or four units would be stored on the property — not necessarily on display. Mrs. Schnabel asked about the business hours. M�• Henriksen said that the display would be open from 8:30 A.M. until 9:�� P.M. Monday thru Friday; 9:00 A.M. until 5:OD P.f1 . Saturday; and Noon until 5: �0 P•Pl . Sunday. Mrs. Schnabel asked if they planned to have outside lighting• M r• Henriksen said that they would have a need for security lighting. f1rs. Schnabel asked if the petitioners anticipated any late- ,� night operations, such as moving of the homes, etc. Mr• Henriksen indicated that the only possible activity at night would be possibly showing the mobile homes to someone who couldn't come during business hours. Not a usual occurance. Mr• Peterson wanted to know if any equipment would be stored on the property. Mr• Henriksen said that all the equipment used in moving the homes, etc. would be stored at the operation that was located in Blaine• Ms. Shea asked if the display homes would be skirted• Mr• Henriksen said that they had very attractive plans for the skirting of the mobile homes. He said that all the display models would be skirted and attractively displayed- � Mr• Bergman asked where else in the area the petitioners had businesses already s�t up• �Er• Henriksen indicated that the headauarters was locat�d in Blaine on Hwy 65; there was a sales operation in Egan on Hwy 55 three miles east of the Mendota Bridge; and one in Fa�mington � that would be opened in 30 days• PI_ANNING COMMISSION MEFTING —� JL�NE 22, 1977 PAGf 11 Mr• Boardman indicated that when he had talkec to the surveyors, that t��ey had mer.tioned �c'ditional screenirg th�t w�as beirg n p1�nRed along the border of the property• He asked if I"r• Henriksen was still planning that venture• Clr. Henriksen said that he did plan for some screening around thP property barders• Ne said that the screening woulc' be loc��ed en the owner's property. Fie shou.ecl the Commission a picture af the f�laine location as an ex�rnple of what he planned to do• �1rs. Judith Engelbritson of 5216 Taylor �treet ��.E. presented Petition �12-1977 to the Planning Ccmmission. The petition k•as in opposition to the granting of Specizl Use Permit �77-05. She ir,dicated tha.t the people who signed the petition felt that the size of the area was insufficient to have that type of business located in Skywood Mall. They also felt that the existence cf such a business along with the other struct�res located in Skykood Mall were and would be a depreciating factor to their praperty• � MOTION by f"s. Shea, secor,ded by Mrs. Schnabel, that the I�lanning Commi�ssion receive the Petition �1c-1977. Upon a veice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried �•r.anirro��sly • Mr. Aaron Engel�ritson of 5216 Taylor �icreet �!.E. felt that Fridley had enough �lobile Home Ccurts and Sales Centers and ,� �hat anether one would be entirely unnecessary. He ir.dicated that the adj�cent neighbors had enough problems regarding SkywooC Mall and tt-ey c'i�'n't need a Mobile Home Seles Center �dded to the prcblems. He hoped the Ccmmission would recommend NO special use permit. �� Mr. 6ordon Eloom of Twin City Federal, 5305 Central Avenue N.E. indicated that Twin City Federal also wanted the Special Use Permit rejected. He said that a lease for that type cf use fcr that property would not be beneficial to the area. He said that they were opposed to anything that would require a Special Use Permit. He proceeded to add his name to the petition �12-1977. He also mentioned that the Public HEaring Notice had not specified exactly where the Mobile Home Sales Center would be located- Mr. Eloom also asked if the plan that Mr. Nenriksen had displayed was still in the 1C'0' x 300' descriFtion that had been indicated en the F�blic HEariro Notice. He cidn't believe that the n.��n�t�er c=f 4nits that Mr. Nenriksen planned to display would fit on a lot that was 100' x 300'. Mr• Boardman said that the deseription sent out was based on a previc�us sketch �r,d there h�c Leer, r.c ex�:ct loc�tion indicated on tFe appliczt.ion E>:cept betk•eer. the car wash and Skywocd Mall Shoppirg CentE,r. Ne w�.sn't sure ahat the req�irement� were �s tc ir:cr�� sino the si z� of the Mc�ile Hcme Sales Center ��re� �:ir,ce th e S�eci.�l L�e Perrrit woulc' be crarted to the er.tire shopping center- FLAhNIP:G CCf".f11�SI4N MEE:TI��G — Jl!�JE 22,1977 PAGE 12 Chairperson Narris askec how larae tFe parcel in question o-as- Mr• Foarc'rrar, inoicated that the parcel would be increased by ^ approxim�*_el�� J�/3 of the �:rcpo�n� ��,�� of ��[7' x 30�' . He a�eir pointed o�:t that the �Fecial L�se Permit woulC be granted to the entire property and not a separate pertion of the prcperty• Chairperson Harris said that the Fublic Hearing �etice had not read that way. Mr• George F'.ale of 5c�4 Taylor Street �'.E. said tl^at his view�oint in lookir.g at the struct�;res existing in Sky�,oc�' �!all and then considering the corstruction ef � terrporary establishment did not seem ir: the bESt ir,terest of imprcving that property• He felt th�t the I"cbile Hcme Sales Center w•c�.lc' create an ac'dition�l traffic hazard in the area. He didn't feel i� woul� either enh�nce thE property or result in 1cwEr taxes, so he hopec' tt-e Comrr,ission woul� not 5rant the ;:pecial Lse Perrrit �77-05. Mr. Sheldon Mortenson of 1289 SkywooC Lane N.E.� one of the owners of the Skywood Mall Shopping Center, indicated that the area in question was expansion space to make it possible to increase the size of the Chopping Center• Accarding �to the City Ordinance it would be possible to increase tc an additional size of 44,�00 square feet of retail sales cr for use as an office ��;ilding, etc. Ne said that they didn't have ar,y present immediate plans for a development and so the land would remain vacart and in its presert cor.dition. Ne felt that th� Mo�ile Home �ales Center would be an � imprcvere�ert to the Center. He said that the procee�s from the �iobile Home cales Center lease wc41d be used tc irr,prove the parkirg lot and try to do some IandscaFing around the property- He indicated that if the Special Use Permit didn't go through, that the property would probably remain in its present condition. M r. Engelbritson said that the adjacent property owners have tried to get some landscaping dene fcr the past 12 years with no success. Mr• Bloorr, acree� that nothing is ever done to the property to help its appearance. ke felt there was no excuse for the pcor cor.dition af the prcperty . He felt the ok�ners co�:lc1 make sctre effort to shou the Comm�nity that they were willing tc u�c,rade the property and then possibly the adjacer,t neighbors would show� some interest. in a Special Use Fermit• enterprise• Ne said that re dic'n't have ar,ythino against the Hcusing Corporation except that usually in a Mobile Home S�les Center the rrobile Fierres �re stackec ir, siCe-�y-side• H= said tFat if they would operate their business ex�ctly as they were indicating, the sales center would indeed be nice. However, he said that the owners of the prcperty. had never proven te the adjacent neichbors end businesses any good intentions of 4pgrGoing the property and they couldn'"t depend cn what was being said- /�1 � 0 PLANNING C4f1(^.ISSION MEETING -� JL'NE 22, 19?7 _ �__,pAGE 13 f1r • George F',ale poir,teci out that Mr • f�ort�nson Fac thre�tenEd that if the ��;ecial l.�se Perrrit wasr.`t gr�r7tE�, ther: he cic'n't ,� plan �o dc anything a�ith the prcperty�. He felt that the �cuncil sl-�ot,l� keE� that, scat�mer�� in mir��. f1rs. Schr.abel askec if Mr- Henriksen u�ould do all the internal landscaFing. Clr. Nenriksen said that h� wculd do all the internal landsca�irg• Chairperson Narris asked how long the terrr.s c,f the lEase wc�.lc be - Clr• Nenriksen said it wos a two-year lease with the option to renew. Mr. f�ortenson said t{-at he eventually war,teo tc see �r, office �uilding on that parc�l of land• He also saic� he didn't me�n tc sound like he was threatening. F!e said that presently there just wer�n't mories available to do the pr�cFer landsca�ir.g of thE Shopping Center• He saic� that the taxes go �p sc fas� tha�t any extra money had to be used tc pay taxes. Ne felt thdt the type of Speci��l Use Ferrrit in question wculd allow enough extra money to enable the Shoppir,g Center to do seme cf the rr�ch r.�eeded landsca�irg. Mrs. Schr,abel k�anted te know who woulc be res�cnsible fcr the �outh side of the ��hopping CEnter. � I"r. Mortenscn said that he wculd work with Mr. Henriksen �nd . tcgether they would take care of the 1�ndscaF•ing, including the extending of the parkiro lct. I"rs. Schr.a�el asked a�out the pl�ns for some type of scrEer,irg at the rear of the lot. I"r. Mortenscn indicated that it really was awkw�rd to plan screEning for that Shoppir,g Cent.er th�t would be totally effective. C�rs. Schnabel egreec! that it woulc' bE F�.�rd to find trees that wa�.�ld grcw high enough to allow scrEening of the Shop�ing CEnter also without ruining the view cf th�e hen�EOwners thdt very° possibly built on those lctis far the bea��tiful �iEw of the City. Mrs. Engelrritson s�id that she tFo�;Sht therE hec tc be �crre type of ��uf�fer zcne beta�eer. carr�rrEr�cial anc+ residential - �he �lso indic�teri that. tF�ey had been �.ncer the irr:pr•es�ion that thErE kc�lc� be a better layout cf the SFopping Center that would includE �cme t.y�pe of screening. All they ever saw ef that whole de��l had been � few seeolinc�s.. �� �- PLANNINr COMMISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 14 � r• Mortenson said that he had invoices to prove that he had planted 10,0�0 seodlin;s on that hill. He said that every year he planted them, we had extremes in the weather that tended to � kill them off. Mr• Bloom wanted to know why, since they already had an operation on Central Avenue, they would want to move closer in• �r• Henriksen said thaL for the same reason Twin City Federal had branch offices. More exposure to the Public. Chairpersan Harris said that �3 on th� petition concerned an additional amount of traffic stress that wo�ld be placed on the already congested traffic conditions• He asked for an explanation of what was meant by that statement• Mrs. Engelbritson said that on Fridays, when the bank was open and the other businesses were doing their usual week-end business, that there was a real traffic problem. She said that the residents of the area had to use the area as it was their only access. She didn't feel it was right to bring more businesses into the Shopping Center• Chairperson Harris said that the City had signed contracts with the State to upgrade �hat area. Mrs. Engelbritson said that �hat contract was only involved with �,,,, 53rd Avenue� She said that 52nd Avenue was not included. Chairperson Harris asked Mr• Henriksen approximately how much traffic his business would generate in a 24 hour period. Mr• Henriksen said that there would be no ^big sales^ that would be attracting multitudes of peop�e• He indicated that perhaps four to six customers per day as an average• He didn't fezl that there would be a great increase in the traffic congestion or infringement on the available parking. Chairperson Harris asked how much of an increase in traffic had been noted at the Holiday Village operation• M r• Boardman said that there had been na appreciable trends. Chairperson Harris questioned �4 of the Petition as to an increase in noise volume• Mrs• Engelbritson said that a problem already was apparent regarding truck tra7`fic through the Shopping Center at 4:00 A.�- {garbage/trash trucks, etc.}• She made a reference to the Hilltop Mobile Home operation and was afraid that the venture in question would result in the same type of over-crowding and unpleasant appearance- She then said that as far as noise itself � that there would be people coming into the area, it would result in noasz from children that would be drawn to the area. She said that it would be a seven-day operation and the area wouldn't have any relief from the constant noise of business in progress- PLANNI�r, COMMISSION MEETING — J�NE 22, 1977 PAGE 15 CF�airperson Harris also questioned the r�ferenc� on the petition regarding a potential fire hazard to the adjacent property owners. �� Mrs. Engelbritson felt that whenever ther� was more people, the risk of fire was always greater• She said that one carelessly tossed cigarette could result in major damage due to the amount of dry brush located on the property that borders directly to the residential homes- P1r. Eloom said that he was the security officer at Twin City Federal and he proceeded to tell about many dangerous incidents th�at hau� occurred at �che Twin City Federal Bank. He said that before another business was accepted into the Shopping Center area that something should be done to �ry to alleviate the type of problems that Twin City Federal had experienced. Chairperson Harris asked if Mr• Bloom had been in contact with f1'r• Hill, the City of Fridley's Safety Director• Mr• Bloom indicated that Twin City Federal had been in contact with him at the times that the incidents happened. He said that basically the FBI took over such incidents since Twin City Federal is a Federal establishment. He indicated that if the area was upgraded, it wou7.dn't attract the type of.trouble-makers they had previously encountered. MOTI4N by Mrs. Schnabel, seconcled by Mr • Peterson, to c].ose the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion i� carried unanimously. The Public:Hearing was closed at 9:40 P.M. M rs. Schnabel asked if there had been a Special Use Permit in Existence for the Photo Store. f1r. Bosrdman indicated that there was. Mrs. Schnabel wanted to know how many Special Use Permits a property owner needed to apply for. She asked if each type of business would require a new Special Use Permit• Mr. Boardman expl.ained �hat a Special Use Permit would be granted for a special use• He said that each special use on that property would require separate Special Use Permits. � Mrs• Schnabel asked if the Special Use Permit would go to the owner of the property or to the business itself- Mr• Boardman indicated that a Special Use Permit always went to the property owner• ^, �� ,��:.., _ PLANNING COMf�ISSION MEETIRJG — JUNF 22, b977 PAGE 16 Mrs. Schnabel quest.ioned how many Special Use Permits• a property owner could hav�. She also asked that if a�pecial Use Permit was granted to a specific parcel of land and the property chanqed in nature and a dissirnilar business moved in, could the new owne►^s use the Special Use Permit that hac previously been granted since the owner still had the Special Use Permit. Mr• Boardman said that if the new business was a different type of business than what I-,ac; be�n alloweG by t{�e previous Special Use Permit, then a new Special Use Permit woulc� have to be applied for• Chairperson Harris wanted to be sure that City Council read his statement —^I TpLD YOU SO^• The precec�ence set with the use of the parking lot at Holiday Village North that came before the Planning Commission had been voted egainst exactly for this particular reason• Now we are flooded with requests from everyone wanting to use their parking lots or extra land around their Shopping Centers for something else• He fel't that a very poor precedence had been set by allowing the Holiday Village North operation. Mr• Bergman said that the property owners were only trying to get the best use possible from their property. He felt that there had already been incompat,ibility between the Skywood f1a11 Shopping Center and the adjacent residents. He felt tha� the approval of a Special Use Permit to add the outdoor sales of mobile home units, even though an excellent plan was being proposed, would only add to the degree of incompatibility that already existed. f10TI0N by Mr• Bergman, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Commission recommends to City Council the denial of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP �77-05 by the Housing Corp, D/B/A Instcant Homes: Per Fridley City Code, section 205, 101, 3, N• to allow a Mobile Home Sales Center on a 30�' x 100' strip of property lying in Lot S.A.S. �153, located between the car wash and Skywood f1a11 Shopping Center, same being 5201 1/2 Central Avenue fV . E . Mrs. Schnabel said that since the proper�y owners had said they eventually wanted to have an office building or an addition to the Skywood Mall Shopping Center constructed on that lot, she had a difficult_time trying to understand why the petitioner would want to go through the expense of upgrading the property just for a two-year lease• n � ,'"`� �� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 197? PAGE 17 Mr� Mort�nson �a�.d that actually they were thinking of more lii�e five years mar,irnurn • Ne statEd that as far as existing incompatibility betwe�n the Shopping Center and the adjacent home owners, he said that construction of the Shopping Center began in 1i62, at w'r�icn time very fEw of the surrour,ding homes were in existence• He felt that when the people built on their lots, they knew that the Shopping Center was in existence• He said that when a person lived on a hill he would be exposed to everything below the hill• He said that the distance between their proper�ies and the Shopping Cer�ter buildings was over 1D0 feet. Mr• Engelbritson claimed that they had built th�ir home in 1964 and their had been no buildings existent in the Shopping Center• Mr. Mortenson again said tha� construction of Skywood f1a11 had been started in 1962. Mr. Engelbritson said that as the layout showed the Mobile Hame Sales Center, it would look nice. He said that the layout only showed eight units. He said that Mr• Nenriksen was talking about possibly 12 units and he felt that the layout would not be very nice with that many units displayed. Mr. Hpnriksen sai.d that what he was indicating was that if a delivery was made before another unit got out, it could ,�� result in more ur�its than indicated on the layout• He indicated that their intentions were not to display any more than the layout showed. Chairperson Harris had a problem agreeing with the Public Hearing Notice. He said that before it went to City Council, the wording had to be changed. i�r. Boardman didn't know how else the area in question. could be described• He explained that the Special Use Permit would be for the entire shopping center• He said that it was a completely legal description and couldn't see any problem. M r. Boardman said that the only control as to the exact area would be controlled by the Planning �ommission/City Council as stipu�.ations put on the approval of the request. Chairperson Harris felt that a public Hearing Notice left with such broad terms could be very misleading to the general publiG. �� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 18 Plr• Boardman indicated that originally the request had been for a 1��' x 300' strip af land• Ho4��ver� due to requests made by the City, the area had to be laid out differently, therefore, t'r�e requestor nee�ed more area to comply• Chairperson Harris said that the precedent set by Holiday Village North would make it difficult to deny the request since th� City allowed Holiday Village to have the �obile Home sal�� center on their lot. Mr• Berqman felt that it really w=s a different issue• He said that the Holiday Village North operation didn't infringe on any residents• He said there was no conflict of interest, no incompatibility, or adjacency of occupancy, no effect on other properties, and no zoning problems• He said that in the case of Skywood �1a11 there was much public opposition. He was also upset tha� no buff�r zoning had been established• Mrs. Schnabel said that if the plan was to be exactly as it had been drawn up and explained to the Commission, it would actually be an upgrading of the area since �11 that was located presently was a vacant lot overrun by weeds• Ms. Shea said that she could appreciate the neighbors concern• She said that th�e weeds would still be there, th� mobile home sales center would just be in the middle of �he vacant lot, surroundsd by the weeds and grass. Mr• Boardman suggested three things that the Planning Commission could consider in granting the Special Use Permit: y} 2} Restrict the Special Use Permit to a specific area. Limit the number of Special Use Permits allowed a property owner• 3} Planning Commission should get a commitment in writing from the Shopping Center owners for an upgrading of the entire property which would include overall improvements. UPON A VOICE VO TE � M s- Shea, M r• Bergman, M r• Peterson, and Mr• Harris voting aye, Mrs. Schnabel voting nay, the motion carried• � ,,"'� � � ,PLANNING COM�ISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 19 3. PUQLIC HEA�IPdG: REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL USE PER�IT SP �77-06 � _ �___.__..�___.-T-`__ _ �_�. '_ �`f� ��URf�l�N 1-�A_LL = Pcr Fridley City CucJe, �ection 205 .051, �� 3.D, to allow the construction of a duplex/double bungalow it; n-1 zo��ing {sinyie family F�omes} on Lot 1, Black 4, Sylvan Hills Plat 3, the same being 6390-6392 Starlite Blvd f10 TION by flrs . Schnabel , seconded by �1 r• Petersan, to open the Public Hearing• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion c�-�rried unanimously• The P�_ablic Hearin� 4J3S op`ned at 7,0:04 P.M. f�r• Bo�rdman said that the request w�s to construct a duplex/ double bungalow on a presently existing single family dwelling lot• He said that a duplex or uouble bungalow could be allowed in a single family area with the Special Use Permit. He indicated that he had a copy,of the house plans. Also he indicated that a petition �11-1977 that had signatures of the people that were in agreement with the plan was included in the agenda packet. Mr. Boardman said that the lot backed up to lots zoned industrial• He then proceeded to indicate all the zonings of the lots located in the area in question. M r• Nocman Hall of 56-66 1/2 Way presented his plans to the Commission and the audience• He said that he planned to build a double bungalow or duplex style hcause cn the property. Ne felt that what he proposed would be an asset to that corner as well as the r�eighborhood. He said tha cost of the proposed � dwelling would be approxirr�ately $65-75,�00 • , f�r. Boardman informed the Commission that Mr• Hall would also have to go through a variance request since the lot measured 9,942 square feet and code required 1�,000 square feet• Mr. Hall indicated that he really had the intention of dressing- uR the proposed structure so that it would resemble a single family dwelling. He said that once he had the completed, final plans he would be willing to ge� with the neighborhood and discuss the plans with them before starting construction. Mr• Bergman asked why Mr. Hall wanted to develop this property with a double bungalow rather than a single family dwelling. Mr• Hall said that since he was a construction worker/brick layer he felt he had the knowledge and ability to attempt to build that type of dwelling• He also indicated that since his family was grown, perhaps in time� he would want to move into a smaller dwelling and he thought that a part of the double bungalow would suit him and his wife perfectly• M r• Bergman asked what Mr• Hall's plans were regarding rental versus sales. . i�1 PLANNItJG CO��ISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 20 Mr• Hall explainF�d that he didn't plan to sell the douhle bungalow• He s�id tl��t he mic,ht keep it for rental only; or� like he had mentioned previously, possioly to live in• He did indicate thab F,e d�l=initely did not, pidri to bui1J tt-�e duplex for sale� pu� po��s- Mr•Robert Lee of 1�� Satellite Lane asked if I�r• Hall owned any other double bungalows or duplexes. Mr• Hall said that he o��ned one duplex located on 53rd and Sth Street which he had recently purchased• He commented that anyone that w�,r,ted to drive by the duplex w�uld agree that it was one of the nicest kept houses in the area. �1r• Hall stated �hat it was not his in�ention to build a piece of junk on that property. He said he planned to as cafeful as possible with any rental of the property• Mr• Robert Lee informed the Commission that he was at the meeting representing Mr• Hall {he was a Realtor}• He explained the entire area around the lot in question• He said he had talked to each of the neighbors that were on the mailing list. He said. that all th.e people he talked to were in agreement with Mr• Hall's plans. He said that the en�ire area was well kept and that f1r• Hall planned to be sure that the double bungalow would be well kept and nice at all times. �^ Mrs. Judy Kidder of 6360 Starlite Blvd said that she was at the meeting rr�ainly because of a misunderstan�ing• She said th�t she � doubted the credibility of the Petition �11-197? since she had signed because she had been led to believe that the only thing that could be built on that property was either an office buildiny or a multiple dwelling• She said that it had been a misunderstanding because if she had been told 'that a single family dwelling could also have been built on that pr�operty, then she would not have signed the petition that was in favor of �he construction of a double bungalow. She felt that people who lived in rental units did not have the pride that people had when they owned their homes. She said that the entire area would suffer if someone moved into that duplex and didn't take care of it. Mrs. Kidder constructeci petition• said that she preferred to see a single-family dwelling on that lot and wanted her name removed from the M r• Lee pointed out that rental property could be just as well kept as privately owned property• �. PLANNING COMMISSION M�FTING — JU�E 22, 1977 PAGE 21 Cl���ir��:rs�n Harris a�kecl if Mr�• Kidder wanted her r�ame removed �Croen L-he petition -�11-1977. � M rs. Kidder said that her name and Mary Auger af 6348 Starlite Blvd. also want�d her name rernoved. h1rs• Kid�er explained that f15. Auger had to leave because of sitter problems due to the late hour• f1r• LPe apoloaized for any misunderstanding anc� said that he had nat intentionally misled anyone regarding the property• He said ti��� he had explained to the people thc po.^sihility of using the lot as a type of buf�er zone between the industrial zone and the single--Family cwelling zone• He indicated Lh�t he felt the particular lot may have been a little harder to sell since it bordered on the industrial lots. Mr. Hall said that he agreed that sometimes an absent landlord didn't have the tend�ncy to take care of the property as much as a person that lived on the property. He wanted to m�ke the point that he really couldn't rrake �he statement that he would definitely move into the duplex or for that matter when exactly he might move in; but he felt that he did have intentions of keeping the property up as well as his own was kept up and he invited anyone to drive past his home and see for themselves that he definitely kept a nice yard• Mr• Hall also pointad out that sometimes people who own their own hornes don't always keep their yards nice• n �ir• Charles Sander of 1Q1 Sylvan Lane submitted a petition to the Commissa.on that had signatures of people in opposition to the granting of Special Use Permit �77-06. He said that the lot was zoned R-1 and that it should remain as R-1. He said that all the promises were probably well meant but that things didn't always work out the way someone plans. f10TIflN by Mrs. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Comrnission receive Petition �7,0-1977, opposing the Special Use Permit �77-06• Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr- Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the revised petition �11-1977, in favor of the Special Use Permit �77-D6- Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• Chairperson Harris indicated that the same names could not be on both petitions and that if a name was on both petitions, that the name would be removed from Peti�ion �11-1977 and left on Petition �10-1977. .-�. , L, Pl--A�if�ITP.I� C�'if�t�T`'rl0nl t1�ETTtl� —�.l�iP1E �c - 7,977 PA.GF 22 �s. Car�line Johnson of 6��� Starlite Bl.��d. felt that since there were still empty lots on the South end ofi Starlite Blvd, �!-�� felt �f:at �ot��eonc ��is� woulU -��il�w f1r. H�,11`s �x�rnpl� ar�d decide to construct a double bungalow• She said that rental property had too much turnover of people• She wanted the lot in question to remain R-1. Mr- E- L• Rice of 100 Sylvan Lar.e gavP hi.s d�scription of Starlite Blvd• He said that the entire area was single-family du�ellin�s and he sai� that since the lot was zoned as R-1, it should be left as such. Ms. Johnson wanted to know why only certain people were sent Public Hearing notices and why f1r• Lee had only talked to certain people• M rs. Schnabel said that only properties within 300 feet of the lot in question had to be notified of the Public Hearing- f1r• Lee indicated that he had used the list he had received from City Hall when he went and talked to the individual neighbors. He pointed out that of aIl 'che people he talked to, only one was against it and he said he wanted the lot to remain vacan�. He said that basically it didn°t make any difference at all to him whether the Special Use Permit was granted or not• He said that he had not sold the property and had nothing invested in the property. He said t��at F��e really believed P1r• Hall had a good plan and he believed Mr• Hall had good intentions of keeping the property as nice as the adjacent yards. Mrs. Kidder said that she too thought the lot was nice just as it was and she didn't care if it was left vacant �ither, at least until someone decided to buy the lot and construct a single-family dwelling. M r. Lee pointed out that the reason the lot looked so nice was not an accident. He said tha� Mr• Hall, the City of Fridley, and himself had the land levele� and cleaned up and developed so that it would be pleasant to the eye. Mr• Lee felt that everyone was assuming that all double bungalows are bad, unkept place�. Mrs. Kidder explained that from what everyone knew of rental property, that was the trend• . Mr• Johnson said that it would only be a matter of time before sorneone would buy that lot and build as an R-]�- He wondered if it a�as a matter of wantinc� s�met.f�ing just to fill the lot why would they want to spoil such a nice area with a double bungalow. � n �'1 �--. , � PLANNIPlC COMMISSION MEETING — JU{VE 22, 1977 PAGE 23 t�r� i.c�e agr?ed wit.h f1r• Johnson that the lot would definitely sell sooner or later. He was only at the meeting because he felt that I�r- Hall had a good pldn and that he thought it would r"fi be an asset to the community• He said that the people adjacent to the property weren't objecting. �� M r• Walter Shupien of 6299 Trinity Drive said that he moved out of multiple clwellings to live in an area,of sirgle-family homes• He asked that the lot remain an R'1 lot• He saic] that it was only a mat;ter o�F time before rental property would go down hill and it almost always happened faster than privately owned, owner-occupied, property did. f10TI0N by Ms. Shea, seconded by f1r- Peterson, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the mation carried unanimously• The Public Hearing was closed at 10:45 p.M. f1rs• Schnabel said that to grant a Special Use Permit on that lot was somewhat similar to a spot zoning — a direct change to a neighborhood• MOTION by Mrs. Schnabel, seconded by �Is. Shea, that the Planning Commission recommends to City Council the denial of the request for a Special Use Permit SP �77-06 by Norman Hall: Per Fridl.ey City Code, Section 205.051, 3.D, to �llow the construction of a duplex/double bungalow in R-1 zoning {single family homes} on Loic 1, Block 4, Sylvan Hills Plat 3, the same being 6�90-6392 Starlite Blvd. Mr. Bergman said that he didn't consider it at all unusual request to buffer other single-family homes with a double bungalow that borclered on industrial. Clrs. Schnabel said that the entire area was single-family homes. She said that the zoning hadn't been set up to fouffer the industrial and the single-family dwellings. Mr• Bergman thought that that had been a very drastic move as far as changing a zoning directly from Industrial to singie-famil:y dwellings. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Mr• Lee indicated that he had never been to a Planning Commission meeting in Fridley City Hall and he thought that the Planning Commission had handled themselves very well. He felt they had given everyone a fair hearing. He said that he had enjoyed being at the�meeting and he thought that the Planning Commission had made a very wise decision in aenying the request- He said that if anyone contes�ed something going into a residential area, th�y should have the right to keep it residential• He thanked the Commission for the opportunity of taking pant in .-•, their meeting. r � � ANNInJ.r., �oMMISSION MEETING - JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 24 4. REOUEST FOR A LOT SPLIT, L.S. �7-06� BY CLINTON J• COPPICUS: Spii�;��oi f``tii�-nor�:ri��I�y �fi�vur fiN�__T_� ��_.��_t�_�-��; ��E'Y��i:-`3,-:�--- Hvde Park Addition• To allow for access to garage in back yar� oi= Lot `i • Mrs• Sharon Jensen of 5946-4th Street N.E• was present at the meeting. r"� �r� EoGrcman explain2d tha� the l�t to t.h� south of 595D-4th �tr�et "! ` was an 80 foot lot. He said that f1r• Coppicus wanted to put in a drivEway• i+E Sc�1G� �fid� lfl Of GcC' 't0 GO t{`idt. c�iCj tlicilfl't�lfl t%i2 steps out of the b�ck-door of his hom�, he would have to obtain four feet from the property located at 5946-4th Street N.E. Chairperson Harris wanted to know how close to the property line the house at 5946-4th Street N.E. would be after losing four feet to 5940-4th Street N.E. Mrs. Jensen said that she wasn't positive as to the number of feet but that she was sure there would be plenty of space on that side of the house• She indicated that her g�rage was located to the South in the rear of the house and that there was only grass on �he area that Mr• Coppicus wanted to buy. f1r• Bergman indicated that Staff had gone out to the home and measured and ha:!�--�'t indicated any problems. P10TION by Mr• Bergman, seconded by Ms• Shea, to recommend to City Council th� approval of the request for a Lot Split L.S. 77-06, by Clinto J• Coppicus: Split off the northerly four {4} feet of Lot 10, Block 1,3 Hy�e Park Addition• To allow for access to garage in back yard of Lot 9 subject to a confirrnation of no sideyard setback problems. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously- Chairperson Harris declared a short break at 11:�� P.M. Chairperson Harris called the meeting back to order at 11:10 P.f1. 5. PROPOSED SIGN CODE Mr• Boardman explained that he thought the Planning Commission should go over the propsoed Sign Code and discuss t�e changes that had been made and to better understand what was being attempted by the Ordinance• Mr• Bergman commended Staff for the work they had put into the Sictn Code Ordinance• He said that they took the ideas from Community Development and converted.them into ordinance form and language• He said a lot of timely erfort had been spent putting togeth.er the Sign Code Ordinance on very short notice• He said that there had been a big and pleasant change from what Cammunity Development Commission had submitted and what they got . back. . �1 �� n{ q��n+Tr1G �Of1�'lIC�TOhI �1FETING i,IUNE 2� , 1,`i77 pA�F 25 Chairper�on Harris,f�rs- Schnabel, and f1s. Shea wanted more time �o be able to read the proposed Sign Code Ordinance• Chairperson Harris suggested that the Planning Commission read through the Sign Code Or•dinance with �1r• Boardman a�d then take it hom� and read it in its entirety• Mr. Boardman went through the entire Sign Code Ordinance and explained all the changes that the Community Development Commission hac� made at th�ir June ],4, 1977, meeting. The Planning Commission made several comments/questions regarding dii-ier�nt points in the Ordinance• f�ost of which Mr• Boardman answered or explained to their s�tisfaction. MOTION by f1rs• Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Bergman, to continue the Proposed Sign Code Ordinance discussion until the next Planning Commission mee�ing and extend an invitation to Ms. Pat Gabel {Chairperson of the Project Committee} to be present at the meeting to provide the Commission with any additional information they may need. Upon a voice vote, all voting.aye, the motion carried unanimously• 6• CQNTINLIED= PROPOSED HOUSIN� f1AINTENANCE CODE � MOTION by Mrs. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning tommission continue the Proposed Housing f1aintenance Code. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• 7• RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COf1MISSION MINUTES Ms. Shea indicated that tarol Ristae had been named the Citizen of the Year- MOTION by Ms• Shea, seconded by f1r. Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the Human Resources Commission f1inutes of June 2, 1977. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 8. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: JUNE 14, 1977 Mrs• Schnabel explained that the Appeals Commission felt that City should take a look at the Zoning Ordinance. The Commissioh feTt that corner lots should be excluded when oetermining the average setback for the other lots in the area. MOTION by Mrs. Schnabel, seconded by Mr• Bergman, that the Planning Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes of June 14, 1977. r'�'� Upon a voice vo�e, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• PLANNING C4M�ISSION �EETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE 26 _ 9. PECEI�lE COfi�1L'NITY DEVEIOf'I`lE�1T COt1f1I�`�T4N fiIP�UTES: Jun�� 14, 1,9?7 Mr• Bergman �aid that �1r• Bo�rdman had di�cu��ed �ny comments that h�ad been made at the Community Development Commission meeting. MQTION by Mr• Bergman, Commission receive the of June ],4, 1977. Upon carried unanimously• 10. OTHER BUSINESS seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Community Development Commission f1inutes a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion Chairperson Harris explained that when the Planning Commission went th�ough the Special Use Permits, that section on non-use was not very clear• He suggested tha� tha� section be re-written• f1r• Boardman indicated that hopefully in August, Staff would be �ewriting the Zoning C•ode Orainance• Chairperson Harris stressed the fact o��' attendance or representation at the Planning Commission meetings• He inoicated that everyane that was present always did do their jobs well• He said that. parks and Recreation Commission was not represented on a usual basis. He wanted to know if there was something that could be done to try to make sure that all the Commissions were represented at each Planning Commission meeting. . Mr• Boardman said that presently Dorothy Evenson called all the members of the Planning Commission to be sure they were represented. He said that it was �,sually left up to the chairperson to notify the vice-chairperson if he can't make the meeting. He went on to explain the reasons for the absence of the members from the June 22, 1977, meeting. There was some discussion as to the actual importance of the Parks and Recreation Commission having to be represented at the Planning Commission fleetings- . Mrs. Schnabel felt that either the Chairperson or Vice-Chair- Person of the Parks and Recreation Commission should be present• She felt that they had valuable things to offer• Mr• Bergman questioned her statement• M rs. Schnabel said that she respected the opinions of the Parks and Recreation Commission• She said that it was also one more voice and at times bring up pertinent information that mi�yht not have otherwise been brought up- �"� � � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING — JUNE 22, 1977 PAGE c7 THi�re was a c'i�cussion on ite��s that have to go through the Plannin� Com�l�is�ion b�fore City Council and it�rns th�t can go � directly to City Council bypassing the Planning Commission- i+IsQ di�cus��ci i;l�� aifi �r�nt Comrr�issions tf��� ilaflC'1L requests that go neither to the Planning Commission nor City Council• Chairperson Harris asked what would '-;Gppen if the Planning Commission didn't formally receive the minutes of the other Commissions. Mr• Boardman said that the minutes would not go to City Council• ADJOURN�1ENT �10TION by f1r• Bergman, seconded by f1s• Shea, to adjourn the June 22, 1977, Planning Commission f1eeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously• Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 12:35 A.f1. � Respectfully submitted, �.� � � � . a �,� , �` �,.�:'�✓'..., .r � �.A �IaryLee Carhill Recording Secretary �