PL 10/19/1977 - 30478r"�
CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
OCTOBER 19� 1977
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Harris called the regular October 19, 1977,
Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:43 p�M.
ROLL CALL
Members Present:
Members Absent:
Others Present:
Shea, Bergman, Harris, Schnabel, Langenfeld
Peterson
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINiTTES: OCTOBER , 1977
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. I,angenfeld, to
approve the October 5, 197?, Planning Commission minutes.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion ca�ried
unanimously.
RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINIITES: OCTOBER 11, 1977
P�IOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Shea, to receive
the Appeals Commission minutes of October 11, 19?7.
' Ms. Schnabel pointed out to the Commission that mucr time
had been spent at the Appeals Commission meeting in regards
to the variance request to increase the maximum height of
�, a free standing sign. She said the members of the Appeals
Commission b�aere concerned because of the proposed new sign
ordinance and cuere concerned with such a high sign in a
residential area.
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UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye� the motion carried
unanimously.
1. PIIBLIC HEARING: RE UEST FO S
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SECTION 205.157� 5� D� TO ALLO�zd THE CONSTRUCTION OF A
DETACHED 24 FT. by 22 FT GARAGE IN CRP-2 ZONING
(FLOOD PLAIN) , ON LOTS 1-4, BLOCK ti'V, RIVERVIEVd HEIGHTS,
THE SAME BEING 609 Cheryl Street N.E.
MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to open
the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened
at 7:48 P.M.
Mr. Boardman explained that the request was to build a
garage on an existing lot where there was an existing
structure. He said that the entire area was in the
flood plain and according to the restrictions for a
flood plain area there would be no building or structure that
could be built in the flood plain unless a Special Use
Permit was secured. He said that there was eight regulations
on building in the flood plain. He went on to read the
regulations and gave Staff's response to many of the
regulations as to how they effected the requested garage.
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Mr. Boardman said that basically Staff didn�t feel there would
be a lot of problems with the particular situation. He
said that the public hearing process was being follo�ed�
notices had been sent to the Commissioner of Natural
Resources ten days prior to the Public Hearing and Staff
would notify them of action taken ten days after the
action was taken. Iie said that all the proper procedures
were being folloNed. He pointed out that Staff had not
heard from the Commissioner and it was being assumed that
there were no objections or input on the request.
Mr. Joseph Shun of 2500 Murray Avenue N.E.� representing
Inter City Builders was present at the meeting. He
indicated that they had agreed with the Building
Inspectors to use the material he required and to follow
all building codes.
Ms. Schnabel asked the purpose of Staff requesting that
Inter City Builders obtain the neighbors� signatures.
Mr. Shun said that the sureey they had was a proposed
snrvey. He said that vri.thout a verified survey the
City required 12 times the code requirement for setback
and also the neighbors' signatures would be req_uired.
He presented Mr, Boardman caith the required signatures.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if there would be any landfill used.
Mr. Shun said that they would need appraximately ten yards
of fill to bring the garage up to the street grade.
Mr. Langenfeld asked what the fifty year average in terms
of 100 feet� etc. regarding the flood plain effecting the
propertg in question.
Mr. Boardman explained that on a map that each member
had� a dotted line had been inserted. He said that line
represented the approximate 100 year flood level that was
required of the City to maintain by the State of Minneso�a.
He said that City was in the process of monumenting that
elevation out in the Field . He said that there was some
building going on in that area however, in most cases
no special use permits are being requested.
Chairperson Harris asked if the area was in the "dike area�f.
Mro Boardman said that it was.
Chairperson Harris asked if part of the requirements of
the building code was to tie the structure to the slab.
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Mr. Shun said that they were putting approximately $300
above what the same garage would have cost in a
� differ_ent area. He said the garage would have water-
proof plates, studs, sheetings, and special anchors
all oner the structure. He said that the driveway to
the garage would be off of Broad avenue.
Chairperson Harris asked if it was in the plans to
hard-surface the driveway. _
Mr. Shun said that it probably wouldn�t be done yet
this fall, but that the approach would be blacktopped.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a.n urgency for the
building at this time. He asked the question due to
the fact of the oncoming winter and spring floods.
Mr. Shun said that they v�ould like the garage built
now because of the winter ��eather that is approaching.'
MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to close
the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was
closed at 8:02 P.M.
Mr. Langenfeld felt that in the particular case at hand,
that even though the request is for a garage in a CRP-2
^ zoning� it was on the upper portion of the Flood Plain
` area. He said that the petitioner•was taking all the
necessary precautions as far as impending flooding, an.d
they were meeting all the requirements set forth by the
DNR and the stipulations set forth by the City of Fridley.
He said that the petitio-ner was fully aware of the area
in which the structure �ras being erected and knevr the
possible hazards that cou'�.d exist. He could find no
problems with granting the request.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Bergman,
that the Planning Commission recommend the approval of
the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #77-13, Inter City
Builders: Per Fridley City Code� Section 205.157, 5, D to
allow the constru ction of a detached Z4 ft by 22 ft garage
in CRP-2 ( flood plain) , on Lots 1-J�, Block �'l, Riverview
Heights, the same being 60g Cheryl Street N.E. Upon a
voice;vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris said that the request would go to
City Council on November 7� 1977�
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PUBLIC
�UBLE BUNGALOIV
AREAS)� ON LOT
BEING 1430-�43z
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AS BRICKNER: PER FRIDLEY CITY CODE,
� 3, D TO ALLOI�I T$E CONSTRIICTION OF A
IN R-1 ZONING (SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING
1� BLOCK 1� HEATHER HILLS� THE SAME
RICE CREEK ROAD N.E�
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to
open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye� the motion carried unanimously. The public hearing
was opened at 8:06 P.M.
Mr. Boardman explained that the requested double bungalow
would be located across the street from an already approved
double bungalow that would be built by Mr. Sherwood Jordahl.
Mr. Thomas Brickner of 11�01 Kerry Lane said that building
a double bungalotiv would be the best use of that piece of
property on that lot from the standpoint that the
lot was located on Rice Creek Road. He said that he had
had a lot of interest shov�n for the construction of a
double bungalovr.
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Mr. Brickner showed the Planning Commission the plan.s he
had for the proposed double bungalo�v that he bvould like
to build. He said that the structure would face Rice Creek
Road. He said.that it would be a two-story type structure
with double garages on each end. r...�
Chairperson Harris asked what the estimated cost for the
double bungalov� would be.
Mr. Brickner said that the cost «rould be in the $100,000
bracket. He said that the double bungalotiv would be owner
occupied. He said that ti�ere were many requests for
double bungalorrs being made available in that area.
Mr. Bergman asked if he was building the double bungalow
on speculation.
Mr. Brickner said that it �ras speculative. He felt that
the City of Fridley needed more double bungalow type
d�rellings. He said �vhen there �as a nice looking building
in that price range scattered throughout the City on the
more busy streets� it would be making the best use possible
for those particular lots. He also said that'that type
of construction �vould actually increase the value of some
r�f the homes i.n the area.
Chairperson Harris asked if he would be living in the
double bungaloru.
Mr. Brickner sai.d that he tivould not.
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Mr. Brickner said that he had had many requests from people
3nterested in o�vning a double bungalow where they would
�`` live in half and rent the ather half. He felt that an
oUmer-occupied double bungalovr was most probable.
Chairperson Harris asked about the lot size.
Mr. Boarclman said that as long as the lot was at least
10,000 square feet there �vould be no problems. He said
that no variances ti�rould be required for the planned
double bungalotiv.
�s. Schnabel said that she v�ras concerned by having the
rental property in the middle of an R-1 neighborhood,
She was also concerned of the fact that the double
bungalotiwr �vould be built on speculation but that
Mro Brickner had said that it vrould be od�aner-occupied.
She tvondered ho� that statement could be made.
Mr. Brickner
and not live
investment.
said that if someone would buy the building
in it� that person v�ould lose money on his
Mr. Mike Togli of 6275 Kerry Lane NE said that it v�ould
be possible that someone could buy the dauble bungalotiv
and rent out botn sides and use the investment as a
tax �rrite-off.
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Mr. Brickner said that that type of tax shelter has been
"tightened up�� a lot in recent years� He said that the
amoun.t of money that slould be required to pay dovrn on his
proposed double bungalo�rr vaould make it almost impossible
to have someone buy the property and not live in it.
There was some discussion regarding the surrounding
dNellings in the area.
Air. Togli asked vrhen Mr. Brickner had applied for the
Special IIse Permit and �vhen he had decided that a double
buagalo�v �rould be the best use of the property�
Mr. Brickner sa3.d that he had applied for the Special
IIse Permit a few weeks ago. He said that from the time
he bought the lot he had had the idea that a double
bungalow tivould be good on the lot.
Mr. Togli asked when Mr. Brickner would start construction,
Mr. Brickner said that it probably wouldn�t be this year.
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Mr. Togli asked how many square feet each unit would be.
Chairperson Harris said that each unit would have
approximately 1,200 squre feet of living space.
Mr. Togli asked if Mr. Brickner would change his mind
on the lot behind the proposed double bungalov�, He
said that Mr. Brickner had indicated that he planned to
build a single-family dwelling on that other lot.
Mr. Brickner said that there was no chance whatsoever
he would build anything except a single family dwelling
on that lot. He said that the lot was too steep to
even consider any type of double dwelling.� He said that
a tuck-under type of construction tivould have to be
considered for that lot because of the steep grading.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the double bungaloUr approved
for Mr. Jordahl had been given approval based on a
financial-type hardship where Mr. Jordahl would
reside therein in order to help defray the cost.
Mr, Dennis Schneider of 6190 Stinson Blvd (Ulard II
City Council) explai.ned that tivhen the other approval
came across City Council, the primary consideration
bvas that the lot vras a large lot �ith several different
types of easements that made it impossible to make it
into two lots. He indicated that the other lot had many
unusual characteristics such that traffic that went do�vn
Kerry Lane� the headlights �rould shine directly into the
house. He said that on that proposal, there �vas teTo
double garages lo�cated in the center of the house that
rrould alleviate the headlight problem. He said that the
above �as the reasons that the Special Use Permit had been
granted by City Council. -
Mr. Schneider said that in the previous Special Use Permit
request the City Council had asked the Planning Commission
to look at the Special IIse Process as, in effect� a rezoning
process.
Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission had
heard about the request but explained that the Commission
had had a few other things to take care of. ,
Mr. Schneider said that what the Special Use Permit
process �vas actually allowing was a spot rezoning. He
said that in the previous case, he had talked to many of
the neighbors and he said there had been about a 50-50
split. He said that some of the people �vere totally
set against it� some crere basically middle of the road, and
some�had very positive reaction to it.
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Mr. Schneider said that �ith the first request he had
originally planned to vote against the approval. He said
that after being made ativare of the many easement
�"� requirements and the traffic problem and also the split
survey of the neighbors, he decided thai it would be the
best use o� the lot to grant the Special Use Permit. He
said that he ti�ras not prepared to make any type of judgment
on the particular case erith Mr. Brickner. He said that he
did share in the concern that Ms. Schnabel had e�ressed
regarding the double bungalovr in the middle of an R-1
zone.
Ms. Schnabel asked if Mr. Brickner had given any thought
of building a single-family dvrelling on that particular
piece of property,
Mr. Brickner said that he had only o�rned the lot for a
short time but no one had ever approached him to �tranting
a single-family direlling built on the lot. He said that
he had suggested the lot to several people, but no one had
been interested in it because of the lot being right on
Rice Creek Road. He said that he felt there vras much
demand for nice-looking double bungalo�rs in that area.
Ms. Schnabel asked �rhy Mr. Brickner had asked for a
, Special Use Permit rather than asking for a rezoning.
Mr. Brickner said tnat it didn�t really make an.y clifference
� how it �raas done to him. He said that Mr. Holden had told
him that a Special Use Permit was the best tivay to go.
Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that this type of Special. Use
Permit required a 1�/5 vote by City Council.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to
close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye� the motion carried unanimously, The Public Hearing
was closed at $:32 p,M.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was any problems n�ith the
easements on the lot.
Mr. Boardman said that there would be no easement
problems.
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Cha3.rperson Harris said that the vote on �he previous
request for a Special Use Permit by Mr. Jordahl had been
a split vote by the Planning Commission. ^Mr. Harris
indicated that he had voted a�ainst it at that time and
that he tivould also vote no on this request. He said that
a double bungalo�v ���as not a proper use for that lot that
was in and totally surrounded by R-1 zonings. He said
that there r�as nerrly built homes in the area and that the
lot in question �rould not be an unsaleable lot. Mr. Harris
said that he had taken the opportunity to visit Mr. Brickner's
neighbors and for the most part, they did not feel that
a double bungalovr would benefit the neighborhood.
Ms. Schnabel said that she also intended to vote against
the request and pointed out that had she been at the
meeting for the previous request� she would have also
voted against that one, She said that it vras not a proper
use of the lot in an R-1 zoning and she felt it �ras a
tendancy to_spot zone. She said that the Heather Hills
area is all ner�� construction and she felt that a single
family dti�relling consistent rrith the neighborhood should be
placed on that lot.
Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Brickner does a fine
job of building. He builds a quality house and he was
most impressed with his structures. He complimented
Mr. Brickner on his efforts in the Heather Hills area.
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Mr. Brickner said that from the conversation that the
best use of the property �ould be to bui.ld a minimum
sized house on that property. He said that if he could
build a house in the right price range, he felt he
could probably sell it. He said that he couldn�t bui?d
the quality of house that he �rould like. He said that
he would probably ti�ant to build a house in the $40,000
price range.
Chairperson $arris explained to Mr. Brickner that he
still had the right of app�al to City Council. He said
that the Planning Commission only makes recommendations
to City Council. He said that City Council did have the
final vote.
Chairperson Harris took an informal poll of the Planning
Commission. They all indicated negative.
Mr. Brickner requested the �vithdra�val of the request. He
sa:id that from the conversation, obviously the Commission
was against the double bungalo��r and he did not �vish to
persue the issue further.
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• Mr. Thomas Brickner �vithdre�r� the request for a Special Use
,--., Permit� Sp �#77-14; Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051,
3�D� to allo�7 the construction of a double bungalo�� in R-1
zoning (sin�le family d�rellin� areas), on Lot 1, Block 1�
Heather Hills� the same being 1430-1432 Rice Creek Road NE.
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Mr. Bergman made the observation that out of 14 property
o�rners that had been invited� only one shoti�red up at the
Public Hearing. . .
Mr. Togli said that he had never been contacted by anyone
with either of the Special IIse Permits as to ��hether he
vras for or against it.
Chairperson Harris said that he had gone to some of
the neighbors� but that he did not contact all the
neighbors.
Mr. Bergman felt aixrkti�tard vrith the situation. FIe said
that Mr. Brickner hacl polled the neighbors and that
he had received little opposition; then he said that
Mr. Harris talked to neighbors, and they tivere very
much opposed; and he said that Mr. Schneider had talked
to neighbors and there had been a 50-50 split.
Mr. Bergmar� said that vaith all the different discussions
v�.th the neighbors and then none of the people talked
to had shorrn up at the Public Hearing.
Mr. �ogli said that tivith that many ��polls�� and he still
had never been contacted by anyone;
Ms, Schnabel said that people tivere very reluctant �rhen
they are an adjacent neighbor to come and publically
say how they really feel,. even vrhen they are opposed to
an. idea� because that neighbor has to live in that
nei�hborhood. She sai.d that possibly many of the people
�ere personal friends of the Brickner�s and they ti��ere
reluctant to say something against the double bungalo�v
because they have to live �vith him as a neighbor too.
Mr. Togli was concerned about the term �tspot rezoning".
Chairperson Harris explained that it vras allowed in the
Code that an R-2 (double bungalotiv or duplex) be built in
an R-1 lot tivith a Special Use Permit� providing that the
minimum square footage of the lot was 10,000 square feet
or more and has 4/5 vote of City Council.
Mr. Togli asked if many a�ere granted. He asked if there
was a lot,of spot rezoning allotived in the City of Fridley.
Mr. Boardman sai
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through and that
d that there have been about six requests
v months; but that only one had gone
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3. LOT SPLIT RE-�UEST L�S, #??-12, THURE H, ERICKSON:
SPLIT OI'F 11PPRO:�I � ATL 'f�T�� L�T F� L'�'1'-b; �Tb�A�
IT TO LOT 7� BLOCK 2� EL�YE'LL's RIVERSID� HEIGHTS
PLAT 2� PER VERIFI�D SURVEY AND COPY OF DE�D� THE
SAME BEING ?515 and 7501 ALDEN �'VAY N,E�
Mr. Boardman e�lained that Lots 6& 7 were owned by one
party. He said that rrhen the house on Lot 7 was built
the drivetivay was allo�red to encroach onto Lot 6 because
he did otivn both lots� He said that the party was planning
to sell Lot 6 and Mr. Erickson did not vrant to have to
move the driver�ay. He said that Mr. Erickson had arranged
with the other property orrner to request a lot split
so that the driveway would be located on I,ot 7.
Mrs. Erickson of 7515 Alden �'Jay N.E, c�ras present at the
meeting. She indicated that they had gotten permission
from City Council 15 years ago to put the driveti;ray at
its present ].ocation.
Cha.i.rperson Harris asked if City �rould have to retain
any easements.
Mr. Boardman sai d that there cJere no easements that
the City needed at that point.
MOTION BY Mr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Shea� to recommend
to City Council the approval of the Lot Split Request,
L.S. #77-12, Thure H. Erickson: Split off approximately
11 feet from Lot 6, and add it to Lot 7, Block 2, El�rell's
Riverside Heights Plat 2.� per verified survey and copy of
deed� the same being 7515 and 7501 Alden VJay N.E. Upon a
voic� vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
4. I,OT SPLIT REBIIEST� L.S. #77-�3� DA VERNE CORPORATION:
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LINE OF LOT 10 AND ADD IT TO LOT 9� BLOCK 3�
INNSBRIICK NORTH 2nd ADDITION, PER VERIFIED SURVEY
OF RECORD� SO HOUS� ON LOT 9 CAN MEET ALL THE SETBACK
REQIIIREMENTS� TAE S9ME BEING 546$ �d 5498 d"�''ST DANUBE
ROAD N�E.
Mr. Boardman said that there �vere no
the setbacks. He said that the lots
the requirements with the lot split.
lots r�ere oversized lots and the lot
be effected by the split.
problems as far as
�rould meet all
He said that the
sizes �rouldn � t
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Ms. Schnabel vranted to know hoti7 the house at 5498 Vdest Danube
� Road NE got constructed tivhen it didn't meet the setback
requirements.
Mr. David E. Ficek of �393 16th Avenue N6V (representing
DaVerne Corporation) saicl that they had interpolated the
35 foot setback as to tivhere the house ��rould sit. He said
that in order to save a tree on the North side of the
property the house was moved to the south. He indicated
that they v�ere 2.25 feet off the requirement on the
south boundary�
Mr. Boardman explained that that �vas the reason City
often requir ed a survey after the foundation 1�das laid.
He said that �vhen the building inspector goes out to
a site to "eyet� the construction� all they sometimes have
to use are the stakes and sometimes the stakes ti�aould get
moved an,d vrhatever, He said that many times there are
mounds of dirt, etc. and it becomes difficult to actually
'�sight'� ti�here the construction �rould be.
Mr. Ficek indicated the possibility of a finan.cial
hardship on the property at 5468 and if that does
happen� then he �vould be applying for a variance.
Ms. Schnabel asked ti��hy Pir. Ficek hadn�t applieci for a
variance instead of a lot split.
Mr. Ficek said that he didn�t like variances, He said
that people should stay tivithin the codes. He agreed
that it �vas difficult for the building inspector
to be able to ��eye" if the building tivould be exactly
within codes. He said that if the lot split could be
done then both lots r�ould be '�legal+�.
AZOTION by t�is. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the
Planning Commission recommend to City Council the approval
of the Lot Split Request, L.S. �#77-13, DaVerne Corporation:
Split off an 8�5 ft. Svedge from Northerly property line of
Lot 10 and add it to Lot 9, Block 3, Innsbruck 1Vorth 2nd
Addition, per verified survey of record, so house on
I,ot g can meet all the setback requirements� the same
being 5�.68 and 5�.98 ti'Test Danube Road NE� Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously,
Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at g;09 p�M�
5. CONTINUED: PROppgED MAINTENANCE CODE
MOTION by r�fr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to
continue the Proposed Maintenance Code until the neYt
meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
`—� carried unariimously.
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6. CONTINUED: PARKS Al'iD OPEN SP�CE PLAN
Mr. Bergman said that since the Parks and Open Space Plan
would be nevievred at a Public Hearing that it should be
explained in the introduction that the purpose of the
document tvas to identify problem areas.
Mr. Langenfeld said that to him t�rhat was being done r�as
a statement �vas being made and then it was ind:.cating tivhat was
wrong �rith that point� and then the recommendations as
to how to change that wrong.
MOTION by Mr. Bergman that in the Introduction section a
statement be inserted to indicate, "The purpose of
this Parks and Open Space Plan and the resulting summary
of findings is to identify inadequacies in the current
Fridley Parks Systemf�.
Ms. Shea read P age 2� the last sentence, ��The plan is
an inventory of existing facilities and a guide for future
decisions about priorities for acquisition, park
development, provision of recreation service". She said
that that �rould cover r�hat Mr. Bergman vfanted inserted.
Mr. Bergman didn't feel that it did cover what he �ranted
stressed. He said that an objective inventory rrould
indicate both the bad and good points. He said that
the present Plan only indicated the bad points.
The motion died for lack of a second.
Chairperson Harris read Objective 4 in Section 4,
Summary of Findings: .
Encourage the advancement of recreation opportunities
for all residents.
Ms. Schnabel felt that the first finding, "The City's
recreation programs do not reflect a�ride range of
actinities for Ye sidents" could be stated in a different
way so that it �ouldn't be quite so negative soundingo
Mr. Bergman said that that idea could be done throughout
the Plan.
Mr. Langenfeld sai d that the Environmental C�uality Commission
suggested changing Finding 5 by deleting the term
"nature study enthusiasts" from the finding.
Mr. Bergman said that it rvas a shame that Parks &
Recreation Commission Nas not represented at the
Planning Commission meeting.
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PLAIVNING COMMISSIOPI MEFTING - OCTOBER 1, 1977 , Pa�e 1
MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to
chan�e the first finding to, ��There is a need for a vride
range of recreational activities �r�hich better reflect
��� the needs of the City�s residents". Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that finding
#5 be changed to, ��The City needs to better identify the
recreational needs of special-need groups tvithin the
Community��� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion
carried unanimously.
Ms� Schnabel didn�t think that Findings 6& 7 belonged
in this Objective. She sai.d that they should be in their
otivn special section.
Chairperson Harris said that the Findings were aiming
at hotiv Staff deals �vith the recreational opportunities.
Mr. Langenfeld said that Staff requirements neEded to
be evaluated in order to enable the City to encourage
the advancement of recreational opportunities. He said
that these findings didn�t belong in Objective 1 because
Facilities i*�ere discussed in that Qbjective.
Ms. Schnabel asked if it could be included in Objective 2.
Chairperson Harris said that Objective 2 discussed Park
� Design.
PROTION by P-Zr. Bergman, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, that
Objective 6 be acided to the Objectives and Findings 6& 7
under Objective 4 be listed under Objective 6,
Objection 6 ti�rould reaci, �1Maintain and/or establish adequate
professional and administ.rative park and recreational area
planning and activities"� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously�
Chairperson Harris read Objective 5 in Section 1�� Summary
of Findings:
Provide for innovative space management to allo�v
balance of use� freedom and control, c�ith safety as
a prime consideration.
There �vas some discussion as to cvhat �vas meant by
"innovative space management���
Mr. Be�gman as�ed �vhat edas meant in Finding 2 as to �vhat
�vas � recreational trail system..�.
Chairperson Harris said it was �alk�vays� bike�vays� and
hors� trails.
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Mr. Ber�man said that the City of Fridley already had that
system and that it vras on paper and all that had to be
done v�as to implement the existing plan.
Chairperson Harris pointed out that it actually rras not
in existence� that it hadn't been implemented.
Finding 4 under Objective 5 ruas discussed next.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the Environmental Quality
Commission had asked that "private areas'� be added to
the statement.
Chairperson Harris said that that would then include
Metronics and Onan's areas. He suggested the �vord to be
added be "commercial��.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that
Finding 1� under Objective 5 read, "There is a need to
coordinate regional, county, city, and commercial areas of
park and open space interest to provide a equa e ac� tive
and passive recreational areas".
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Chairperson Harris said that "commercial" vJOUld mean the
driving ranges� mini,ture golf, pool halls� etc.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
Ms. Shea felt that Finding 5 under Objective 5 should
read, "There is a need to promote a better understanding
of the ecological systems and natural resources in the
City of Fridley�'. She deleted the ��ord ��operating".
Mr. Bergman and Mr. Langenfeld indicated their
interpretations of that Finding.
Chairperson Harris next discussed the section on the
POLICY & RECOMMENDATION.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the Environmental Quality
Commission had suggested the deletion of the entire
first page of that section.
Mr. Bergman said that the Community Development Commission
indicated that the funding criteria in the Policy &
Recommendations section should be retvritten for clarity.
Ms. Schnabel asked if that type of information ti�ras
necessary to be included to get certain type of grants.
Chairperson Harris felt the time to give that type
of information �ould be at the time of application and
not at the time of planning. He said that the ground rules
should be set first before gettin� tied down to certain
percentages.
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MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Ms. Shea� that Page ZO
� in tY�e POLICY & RECOt��ENDATION section be carried over
�^. to the next meeting for revietiv U�ith staff. Upon a voice
� vote� all votin�; aye� the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris read Objective 1 of Section 5,
Policy & Recommendation: �
Develop an orcier of quality park facilities
that ti��ill be flexible to the changing needs
of the community.
Policy 2 was discussed. Ms. Schnabel said that there
�ras a need for a certain amount of landscaping in order
to provide buffers bet���een active and passive areas or
betti��een t�ro types of different active areas� She said
that there tirere times �rhere some type of landscaping
��rould have to be done in order to delineate the
different areas in order to provide a safety screen.
She didn�t think that the plans �Jere to take the
money and invest it all in trees. She said that there
v�ould be an overall plan to use landscaping as an
integral part of buffers.
Ms. Shea said that it had been previously stated that
landscaping t�rould be used as a form of buffering and
in the total layout.
'^� MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Bergman,
to continue the PAR�iS AND OPEN SPACE PLAN. Upon a voice
vote' all voting aye, the motion casried unanimously.
Ms. Shea rranted it noted in the minutes that the Parks
and Recreation Commissian was not represented at the
October 19, 1977 Pl�nning Commission meeting� She said
that the Vice-Chairperson had not been notified. She
said that in the future all Commission Chairpersons
should notify the vice-chairpersons if they have the
opportunity.
Mr. Langenfeld said that he did not intend to "poke�� at
fellovr commission members but he sa�.d ihat there seemed
to be a continual problem in that Commission as to not
being represented at the Planning Commission meetings�
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Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that there �vould be a
"People�s Job in the Environment'� held on Saturday, `,�
November 5, 197?, from 9:00 A.M until 4:00 P.M. '��
at the St. Paul Vocational/Technical Institute
located at 235 Marshall in St. Paul. He indicated the
different topics that vrould be discussed and the people
that would be speaking at the seminar. He also indicated
the prices of the seminar.
ADJOURI�?MIIVT
MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to adjourn
the October 19� 1977� Planning Commission meeting. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at
10:30 P.M.
Respectfully submitted,
G�i� �
MaryLee Carhill
Recording Secretary
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