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PL 10/19/1977 - 30478r"� CITY OF FRIDLEY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OCTOBER 19� 1977 CALL TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the regular October 19, 1977, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7:43 p�M. ROLL CALL Members Present: Members Absent: Others Present: Shea, Bergman, Harris, Schnabel, Langenfeld Peterson Jerrold Boardman, City Planner APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINiTTES: OCTOBER , 1977 MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. I,angenfeld, to approve the October 5, 197?, Planning Commission minutes. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion ca�ried unanimously. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINIITES: OCTOBER 11, 1977 P�IOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Ms. Shea, to receive the Appeals Commission minutes of October 11, 19?7. ' Ms. Schnabel pointed out to the Commission that mucr time had been spent at the Appeals Commission meeting in regards to the variance request to increase the maximum height of �, a free standing sign. She said the members of the Appeals Commission b�aere concerned because of the proposed new sign ordinance and cuere concerned with such a high sign in a residential area. � UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. 1. PIIBLIC HEARING: RE UEST FO S -1 �' • PER FRIDLEY CITY CODE, SECTION 205.157� 5� D� TO ALLO�zd THE CONSTRUCTION OF A DETACHED 24 FT. by 22 FT GARAGE IN CRP-2 ZONING (FLOOD PLAIN) , ON LOTS 1-4, BLOCK ti'V, RIVERVIEVd HEIGHTS, THE SAME BEING 609 Cheryl Street N.E. MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was opened at 7:48 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained that the request was to build a garage on an existing lot where there was an existing structure. He said that the entire area was in the flood plain and according to the restrictions for a flood plain area there would be no building or structure that could be built in the flood plain unless a Special Use Permit was secured. He said that there was eight regulations on building in the flood plain. He went on to read the regulations and gave Staff's response to many of the regulations as to how they effected the requested garage. .� _-_ �.� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 19, 197? Pa�e 2 . , Mr. Boardman said that basically Staff didn�t feel there would be a lot of problems with the particular situation. He said that the public hearing process was being follo�ed� notices had been sent to the Commissioner of Natural Resources ten days prior to the Public Hearing and Staff would notify them of action taken ten days after the action was taken. Iie said that all the proper procedures were being folloNed. He pointed out that Staff had not heard from the Commissioner and it was being assumed that there were no objections or input on the request. Mr. Joseph Shun of 2500 Murray Avenue N.E.� representing Inter City Builders was present at the meeting. He indicated that they had agreed with the Building Inspectors to use the material he required and to follow all building codes. Ms. Schnabel asked the purpose of Staff requesting that Inter City Builders obtain the neighbors� signatures. Mr. Shun said that the sureey they had was a proposed snrvey. He said that vri.thout a verified survey the City required 12 times the code requirement for setback and also the neighbors' signatures would be req_uired. He presented Mr, Boardman caith the required signatures. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there would be any landfill used. Mr. Shun said that they would need appraximately ten yards of fill to bring the garage up to the street grade. Mr. Langenfeld asked what the fifty year average in terms of 100 feet� etc. regarding the flood plain effecting the propertg in question. Mr. Boardman explained that on a map that each member had� a dotted line had been inserted. He said that line represented the approximate 100 year flood level that was required of the City to maintain by the State of Minneso�a. He said that City was in the process of monumenting that elevation out in the Field . He said that there was some building going on in that area however, in most cases no special use permits are being requested. Chairperson Harris asked if the area was in the "dike area�f. Mro Boardman said that it was. Chairperson Harris asked if part of the requirements of the building code was to tie the structure to the slab. n I ,'"1 �'`, � PLANNING COMMISSION ME�TING - OCTOBER 19. 1977 Page 3 Mr. Shun said that they were putting approximately $300 above what the same garage would have cost in a � differ_ent area. He said the garage would have water- proof plates, studs, sheetings, and special anchors all oner the structure. He said that the driveway to the garage would be off of Broad avenue. Chairperson Harris asked if it was in the plans to hard-surface the driveway. _ Mr. Shun said that it probably wouldn�t be done yet this fall, but that the approach would be blacktopped. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was a.n urgency for the building at this time. He asked the question due to the fact of the oncoming winter and spring floods. Mr. Shun said that they v�ould like the garage built now because of the winter ��eather that is approaching.' MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 8:02 P.M. Mr. Langenfeld felt that in the particular case at hand, that even though the request is for a garage in a CRP-2 ^ zoning� it was on the upper portion of the Flood Plain ` area. He said that the petitioner•was taking all the necessary precautions as far as impending flooding, an.d they were meeting all the requirements set forth by the DNR and the stipulations set forth by the City of Fridley. He said that the petitio-ner was fully aware of the area in which the structure �ras being erected and knevr the possible hazards that cou'�.d exist. He could find no problems with granting the request. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend the approval of the request for a Special Use Permit, SP #77-13, Inter City Builders: Per Fridley City Code� Section 205.157, 5, D to allow the constru ction of a detached Z4 ft by 22 ft garage in CRP-2 ( flood plain) , on Lots 1-J�, Block �'l, Riverview Heights, the same being 60g Cheryl Street N.E. Upon a voice;vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris said that the request would go to City Council on November 7� 1977� ,� PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 19. 1977 ' Pa�e 4 2. PUBLIC �UBLE BUNGALOIV AREAS)� ON LOT BEING 1430-�43z �ir.�,, .,�..i,i .....u,ii' AS BRICKNER: PER FRIDLEY CITY CODE, � 3, D TO ALLOI�I T$E CONSTRIICTION OF A IN R-1 ZONING (SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING 1� BLOCK 1� HEATHER HILLS� THE SAME RICE CREEK ROAD N.E� MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. The public hearing was opened at 8:06 P.M. Mr. Boardman explained that the requested double bungalow would be located across the street from an already approved double bungalow that would be built by Mr. Sherwood Jordahl. Mr. Thomas Brickner of 11�01 Kerry Lane said that building a double bungalotiv would be the best use of that piece of property on that lot from the standpoint that the lot was located on Rice Creek Road. He said that he had had a lot of interest shov�n for the construction of a double bungalovr. r-'� Mr. Brickner showed the Planning Commission the plan.s he had for the proposed double bungalo�v that he bvould like to build. He said that the structure would face Rice Creek Road. He said.that it would be a two-story type structure with double garages on each end. r...� Chairperson Harris asked what the estimated cost for the double bungalov� would be. Mr. Brickner said that the cost «rould be in the $100,000 bracket. He said that the double bungalotiv would be owner occupied. He said that ti�ere were many requests for double bungalorrs being made available in that area. Mr. Bergman asked if he was building the double bungalow on speculation. Mr. Brickner said that it �ras speculative. He felt that the City of Fridley needed more double bungalow type d�rellings. He said �vhen there �as a nice looking building in that price range scattered throughout the City on the more busy streets� it would be making the best use possible for those particular lots. He also said that'that type of construction �vould actually increase the value of some r�f the homes i.n the area. Chairperson Harris asked if he would be living in the double bungaloru. Mr. Brickner sai.d that he tivould not. PLANNING COMMISSION ME�TIIdG - OCTOB�R_19� 1977 � Pa�e Mr. Brickner said that he had had many requests from people 3nterested in o�vning a double bungalow where they would �`` live in half and rent the ather half. He felt that an oUmer-occupied double bungalovr was most probable. Chairperson Harris asked about the lot size. Mr. Boarclman said that as long as the lot was at least 10,000 square feet there �vould be no problems. He said that no variances ti�rould be required for the planned double bungalotiv. �s. Schnabel said that she v�ras concerned by having the rental property in the middle of an R-1 neighborhood, She was also concerned of the fact that the double bungalotiwr �vould be built on speculation but that Mro Brickner had said that it vrould be od�aner-occupied. She tvondered ho� that statement could be made. Mr. Brickner and not live investment. said that if someone would buy the building in it� that person v�ould lose money on his Mr. Mike Togli of 6275 Kerry Lane NE said that it v�ould be possible that someone could buy the dauble bungalotiv and rent out botn sides and use the investment as a tax �rrite-off. �, Mr. Brickner said that that type of tax shelter has been "tightened up�� a lot in recent years� He said that the amoun.t of money that slould be required to pay dovrn on his proposed double bungalo�rr vaould make it almost impossible to have someone buy the property and not live in it. There was some discussion regarding the surrounding dNellings in the area. Air. Togli asked vrhen Mr. Brickner had applied for the Special IIse Permit and �vhen he had decided that a double buagalo�v �rould be the best use of the property� Mr. Brickner sa3.d that he had applied for the Special IIse Permit a few weeks ago. He said that from the time he bought the lot he had had the idea that a double bungalow tivould be good on the lot. Mr. Togli asked when Mr. Brickner would start construction, Mr. Brickner said that it probably wouldn�t be this year. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 1, 1977 � Pa�e 6 Mr. Togli asked how many square feet each unit would be. Chairperson Harris said that each unit would have approximately 1,200 squre feet of living space. Mr. Togli asked if Mr. Brickner would change his mind on the lot behind the proposed double bungalov�, He said that Mr. Brickner had indicated that he planned to build a single-family dwelling on that other lot. Mr. Brickner said that there was no chance whatsoever he would build anything except a single family dwelling on that lot. He said that the lot was too steep to even consider any type of double dwelling.� He said that a tuck-under type of construction tivould have to be considered for that lot because of the steep grading. Mr. Langenfeld said that the double bungaloUr approved for Mr. Jordahl had been given approval based on a financial-type hardship where Mr. Jordahl would reside therein in order to help defray the cost. Mr, Dennis Schneider of 6190 Stinson Blvd (Ulard II City Council) explai.ned that tivhen the other approval came across City Council, the primary consideration bvas that the lot vras a large lot �ith several different types of easements that made it impossible to make it into two lots. He indicated that the other lot had many unusual characteristics such that traffic that went do�vn Kerry Lane� the headlights �rould shine directly into the house. He said that on that proposal, there �vas teTo double garages lo�cated in the center of the house that rrould alleviate the headlight problem. He said that the above �as the reasons that the Special Use Permit had been granted by City Council. - Mr. Schneider said that in the previous Special Use Permit request the City Council had asked the Planning Commission to look at the Special IIse Process as, in effect� a rezoning process. Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission had heard about the request but explained that the Commission had had a few other things to take care of. , Mr. Schneider said that what the Special Use Permit process �vas actually allowing was a spot rezoning. He said that in the previous case, he had talked to many of the neighbors and he said there had been about a 50-50 split. He said that some of the people �vere totally set against it� some crere basically middle of the road, and some�had very positive reaction to it. � � ,--� PLANNING COMMISSION MrETING - OCTOB�R 19� 1977 Pa�e 7 Mr. Schneider said that �ith the first request he had originally planned to vote against the approval. He said that after being made ativare of the many easement �"� requirements and the traffic problem and also the split survey of the neighbors, he decided thai it would be the best use o� the lot to grant the Special Use Permit. He said that he ti�ras not prepared to make any type of judgment on the particular case erith Mr. Brickner. He said that he did share in the concern that Ms. Schnabel had e�ressed regarding the double bungalovr in the middle of an R-1 zone. Ms. Schnabel asked if Mr. Brickner had given any thought of building a single-family dvrelling on that particular piece of property, Mr. Brickner said that he had only o�rned the lot for a short time but no one had ever approached him to �tranting a single-family direlling built on the lot. He said that he had suggested the lot to several people, but no one had been interested in it because of the lot being right on Rice Creek Road. He said that he felt there vras much demand for nice-looking double bungalo�rs in that area. Ms. Schnabel asked �rhy Mr. Brickner had asked for a , Special Use Permit rather than asking for a rezoning. Mr. Brickner said tnat it didn�t really make an.y clifference � how it �raas done to him. He said that Mr. Holden had told him that a Special Use Permit was the best tivay to go. Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that this type of Special. Use Permit required a 1�/5 vote by City Council. MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, The Public Hearing was closed at $:32 p,M. Mr. Langenfeld asked if there was any problems n�ith the easements on the lot. Mr. Boardman said that there would be no easement problems. �"� PLANNING COMMISSIOPI MEETING - OCTOBER 1, 1977 � Pa�e 8 Cha3.rperson Harris said that the vote on �he previous request for a Special Use Permit by Mr. Jordahl had been a split vote by the Planning Commission. ^Mr. Harris indicated that he had voted a�ainst it at that time and that he tivould also vote no on this request. He said that a double bungalo�v ���as not a proper use for that lot that was in and totally surrounded by R-1 zonings. He said that there r�as nerrly built homes in the area and that the lot in question �rould not be an unsaleable lot. Mr. Harris said that he had taken the opportunity to visit Mr. Brickner's neighbors and for the most part, they did not feel that a double bungalovr would benefit the neighborhood. Ms. Schnabel said that she also intended to vote against the request and pointed out that had she been at the meeting for the previous request� she would have also voted against that one, She said that it vras not a proper use of the lot in an R-1 zoning and she felt it �ras a tendancy to_spot zone. She said that the Heather Hills area is all ner�� construction and she felt that a single family dti�relling consistent rrith the neighborhood should be placed on that lot. Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Brickner does a fine job of building. He builds a quality house and he was most impressed with his structures. He complimented Mr. Brickner on his efforts in the Heather Hills area. ,� n Mr. Brickner said that from the conversation that the best use of the property �ould be to bui.ld a minimum sized house on that property. He said that if he could build a house in the right price range, he felt he could probably sell it. He said that he couldn�t bui?d the quality of house that he �rould like. He said that he would probably ti�ant to build a house in the $40,000 price range. Chairperson $arris explained to Mr. Brickner that he still had the right of app�al to City Council. He said that the Planning Commission only makes recommendations to City Council. He said that City Council did have the final vote. Chairperson Harris took an informal poll of the Planning Commission. They all indicated negative. Mr. Brickner requested the �vithdra�val of the request. He sa:id that from the conversation, obviously the Commission was against the double bungalo��r and he did not �vish to persue the issue further. � _�,� PL�INNING COMMISSION MErTITIG - OCTOBER 19, 1,Q77 Pa�e 9 • Mr. Thomas Brickner �vithdre�r� the request for a Special Use ,--., Permit� Sp �#77-14; Per Fridley City Code, Section 205.051, 3�D� to allo�7 the construction of a double bungalo�� in R-1 zoning (sin�le family d�rellin� areas), on Lot 1, Block 1� Heather Hills� the same being 1430-1432 Rice Creek Road NE. � Mr. Bergman made the observation that out of 14 property o�rners that had been invited� only one shoti�red up at the Public Hearing. . . Mr. Togli said that he had never been contacted by anyone with either of the Special IIse Permits as to ��hether he vras for or against it. Chairperson Harris said that he had gone to some of the neighbors� but that he did not contact all the neighbors. Mr. Bergman felt aixrkti�tard vrith the situation. FIe said that Mr. Brickner hacl polled the neighbors and that he had received little opposition; then he said that Mr. Harris talked to neighbors, and they tivere very much opposed; and he said that Mr. Schneider had talked to neighbors and there had been a 50-50 split. Mr. Bergmar� said that vaith all the different discussions v�.th the neighbors and then none of the people talked to had shorrn up at the Public Hearing. Mr. �ogli said that tivith that many ��polls�� and he still had never been contacted by anyone; Ms, Schnabel said that people tivere very reluctant �rhen they are an adjacent neighbor to come and publically say how they really feel,. even vrhen they are opposed to an. idea� because that neighbor has to live in that nei�hborhood. She sai.d that possibly many of the people �ere personal friends of the Brickner�s and they ti��ere reluctant to say something against the double bungalo�v because they have to live �vith him as a neighbor too. Mr. Togli was concerned about the term �tspot rezoning". Chairperson Harris explained that it vras allowed in the Code that an R-2 (double bungalotiv or duplex) be built in an R-1 lot tivith a Special Use Permit� providing that the minimum square footage of the lot was 10,000 square feet or more and has 4/5 vote of City Council. Mr. Togli asked if many a�ere granted. He asked if there was a lot,of spot rezoning allotived in the City of Fridley. Mr. Boardman sai � over the past fe� through and that d that there have been about six requests v months; but that only one had gone svas the one at 11�l�1 Rice Creek Road. � PLANNING COt�IMISSION MEETING - OCTOB�R 19� 1977 Pa�e 10 3. LOT SPLIT RE-�UEST L�S, #??-12, THURE H, ERICKSON: SPLIT OI'F 11PPRO:�I � ATL 'f�T�� L�T F� L'�'1'-b; �Tb�A� IT TO LOT 7� BLOCK 2� EL�YE'LL's RIVERSID� HEIGHTS PLAT 2� PER VERIFI�D SURVEY AND COPY OF DE�D� THE SAME BEING ?515 and 7501 ALDEN �'VAY N,E� Mr. Boardman e�lained that Lots 6& 7 were owned by one party. He said that rrhen the house on Lot 7 was built the drivetivay was allo�red to encroach onto Lot 6 because he did otivn both lots� He said that the party was planning to sell Lot 6 and Mr. Erickson did not vrant to have to move the driver�ay. He said that Mr. Erickson had arranged with the other property orrner to request a lot split so that the driveway would be located on I,ot 7. Mrs. Erickson of 7515 Alden �'Jay N.E, c�ras present at the meeting. She indicated that they had gotten permission from City Council 15 years ago to put the driveti;ray at its present ].ocation. Cha.i.rperson Harris asked if City �rould have to retain any easements. Mr. Boardman sai d that there cJere no easements that the City needed at that point. MOTION BY Mr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Shea� to recommend to City Council the approval of the Lot Split Request, L.S. #77-12, Thure H. Erickson: Split off approximately 11 feet from Lot 6, and add it to Lot 7, Block 2, El�rell's Riverside Heights Plat 2.� per verified survey and copy of deed� the same being 7515 and 7501 Alden VJay N.E. Upon a voic� vote� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 4. I,OT SPLIT REBIIEST� L.S. #77-�3� DA VERNE CORPORATION: � � L � LINE OF LOT 10 AND ADD IT TO LOT 9� BLOCK 3� INNSBRIICK NORTH 2nd ADDITION, PER VERIFIED SURVEY OF RECORD� SO HOUS� ON LOT 9 CAN MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQIIIREMENTS� TAE S9ME BEING 546$ �d 5498 d"�''ST DANUBE ROAD N�E. Mr. Boardman said that there �vere no the setbacks. He said that the lots the requirements with the lot split. lots r�ere oversized lots and the lot be effected by the split. problems as far as �rould meet all He said that the sizes �rouldn � t � g � � PLANNING COMMISSION M�,�TING - OCT�BER 19, 1977 � Pa�e 11 Ms. Schnabel vranted to know hoti7 the house at 5498 Vdest Danube � Road NE got constructed tivhen it didn't meet the setback requirements. Mr. David E. Ficek of �393 16th Avenue N6V (representing DaVerne Corporation) saicl that they had interpolated the 35 foot setback as to tivhere the house ��rould sit. He said that in order to save a tree on the North side of the property the house was moved to the south. He indicated that they v�ere 2.25 feet off the requirement on the south boundary� Mr. Boardman explained that that �vas the reason City often requir ed a survey after the foundation 1�das laid. He said that �vhen the building inspector goes out to a site to "eyet� the construction� all they sometimes have to use are the stakes and sometimes the stakes ti�aould get moved an,d vrhatever, He said that many times there are mounds of dirt, etc. and it becomes difficult to actually '�sight'� ti�here the construction �rould be. Mr. Ficek indicated the possibility of a finan.cial hardship on the property at 5468 and if that does happen� then he �vould be applying for a variance. Ms. Schnabel asked ti��hy Pir. Ficek hadn�t applieci for a variance instead of a lot split. Mr. Ficek said that he didn�t like variances, He said that people should stay tivithin the codes. He agreed that it �vas difficult for the building inspector to be able to ��eye" if the building tivould be exactly within codes. He said that if the lot split could be done then both lots r�ould be '�legal+�. AZOTION by t�is. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that the Planning Commission recommend to City Council the approval of the Lot Split Request, L.S. �#77-13, DaVerne Corporation: Split off an 8�5 ft. Svedge from Northerly property line of Lot 10 and add it to Lot 9, Block 3, Innsbruck 1Vorth 2nd Addition, per verified survey of record, so house on I,ot g can meet all the setback requirements� the same being 5�.68 and 5�.98 ti'Test Danube Road NE� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously, Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at g;09 p�M� 5. CONTINUED: PROppgED MAINTENANCE CODE MOTION by r�fr. Bergman� seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to continue the Proposed Maintenance Code until the neYt meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion `—� carried unariimously. . PLANNING COMMISSION M�L'7.'ING - OCTOBER 19. 1977 �Pa�e 12 6. CONTINUED: PARKS Al'iD OPEN SP�CE PLAN Mr. Bergman said that since the Parks and Open Space Plan would be nevievred at a Public Hearing that it should be explained in the introduction that the purpose of the document tvas to identify problem areas. Mr. Langenfeld said that to him t�rhat was being done r�as a statement �vas being made and then it was ind:.cating tivhat was wrong �rith that point� and then the recommendations as to how to change that wrong. MOTION by Mr. Bergman that in the Introduction section a statement be inserted to indicate, "The purpose of this Parks and Open Space Plan and the resulting summary of findings is to identify inadequacies in the current Fridley Parks Systemf�. Ms. Shea read P age 2� the last sentence, ��The plan is an inventory of existing facilities and a guide for future decisions about priorities for acquisition, park development, provision of recreation service". She said that that �rould cover r�hat Mr. Bergman vfanted inserted. Mr. Bergman didn't feel that it did cover what he �ranted stressed. He said that an objective inventory rrould indicate both the bad and good points. He said that the present Plan only indicated the bad points. The motion died for lack of a second. Chairperson Harris read Objective 4 in Section 4, Summary of Findings: . Encourage the advancement of recreation opportunities for all residents. Ms. Schnabel felt that the first finding, "The City's recreation programs do not reflect a�ride range of actinities for Ye sidents" could be stated in a different way so that it �ouldn't be quite so negative soundingo Mr. Bergman said that that idea could be done throughout the Plan. Mr. Langenfeld sai d that the Environmental C�uality Commission suggested changing Finding 5 by deleting the term "nature study enthusiasts" from the finding. Mr. Bergman said that it rvas a shame that Parks & Recreation Commission Nas not represented at the Planning Commission meeting. �� � � PLAIVNING COMMISSIOPI MEFTING - OCTOBER 1, 1977 , Pa�e 1 MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to chan�e the first finding to, ��There is a need for a vride range of recreational activities �r�hich better reflect ��� the needs of the City�s residents". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Bergman, that finding #5 be changed to, ��The City needs to better identify the recreational needs of special-need groups tvithin the Community��� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously. Ms� Schnabel didn�t think that Findings 6& 7 belonged in this Objective. She sai.d that they should be in their otivn special section. Chairperson Harris said that the Findings were aiming at hotiv Staff deals �vith the recreational opportunities. Mr. Langenfeld said that Staff requirements neEded to be evaluated in order to enable the City to encourage the advancement of recreational opportunities. He said that these findings didn�t belong in Objective 1 because Facilities i*�ere discussed in that Qbjective. Ms. Schnabel asked if it could be included in Objective 2. Chairperson Harris said that Objective 2 discussed Park � Design. PROTION by P-Zr. Bergman, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, that Objective 6 be acided to the Objectives and Findings 6& 7 under Objective 4 be listed under Objective 6, Objection 6 ti�rould reaci, �1Maintain and/or establish adequate professional and administ.rative park and recreational area planning and activities"� Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously� Chairperson Harris read Objective 5 in Section 1�� Summary of Findings: Provide for innovative space management to allo�v balance of use� freedom and control, c�ith safety as a prime consideration. There �vas some discussion as to cvhat �vas meant by "innovative space management��� Mr. Be�gman as�ed �vhat edas meant in Finding 2 as to �vhat �vas � recreational trail system..�. Chairperson Harris said it was �alk�vays� bike�vays� and hors� trails. r°`� e PLANNING COMT�ISSION MEETING - OCTOBER 1�_197? , Pa�e 14 Mr. Ber�man said that the City of Fridley already had that system and that it vras on paper and all that had to be done v�as to implement the existing plan. Chairperson Harris pointed out that it actually rras not in existence� that it hadn't been implemented. Finding 4 under Objective 5 ruas discussed next. Mr. Langenfeld said that the Environmental Quality Commission had asked that "private areas'� be added to the statement. Chairperson Harris said that that would then include Metronics and Onan's areas. He suggested the �vord to be added be "commercial��. MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that Finding 1� under Objective 5 read, "There is a need to coordinate regional, county, city, and commercial areas of park and open space interest to provide a equa e ac� tive and passive recreational areas". . Chairperson Harris said that "commercial" vJOUld mean the driving ranges� mini,ture golf, pool halls� etc. UPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Ms. Shea felt that Finding 5 under Objective 5 should read, "There is a need to promote a better understanding of the ecological systems and natural resources in the City of Fridley�'. She deleted the ��ord ��operating". Mr. Bergman and Mr. Langenfeld indicated their interpretations of that Finding. Chairperson Harris next discussed the section on the POLICY & RECOMMENDATION. Mr. Langenfeld said that the Environmental Quality Commission had suggested the deletion of the entire first page of that section. Mr. Bergman said that the Community Development Commission indicated that the funding criteria in the Policy & Recommendations section should be retvritten for clarity. Ms. Schnabel asked if that type of information ti�ras necessary to be included to get certain type of grants. Chairperson Harris felt the time to give that type of information �ould be at the time of application and not at the time of planning. He said that the ground rules should be set first before gettin� tied down to certain percentages. v %'� � �"�, -�.� PLANNING COP2P�ISSION MEETIPIG - OCTOBER 19, 1977 , Pa�e 15 MOTION by Mr. Bergman, seconded by Ms. Shea� that Page ZO � in tY�e POLICY & RECOt��ENDATION section be carried over �^. to the next meeting for revietiv U�ith staff. Upon a voice � vote� all votin�; aye� the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris read Objective 1 of Section 5, Policy & Recommendation: � Develop an orcier of quality park facilities that ti��ill be flexible to the changing needs of the community. Policy 2 was discussed. Ms. Schnabel said that there �ras a need for a certain amount of landscaping in order to provide buffers bet���een active and passive areas or betti��een t�ro types of different active areas� She said that there tirere times �rhere some type of landscaping ��rould have to be done in order to delineate the different areas in order to provide a safety screen. She didn�t think that the plans �Jere to take the money and invest it all in trees. She said that there v�ould be an overall plan to use landscaping as an integral part of buffers. Ms. Shea said that it had been previously stated that landscaping t�rould be used as a form of buffering and in the total layout. '^� MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Bergman, to continue the PAR�iS AND OPEN SPACE PLAN. Upon a voice vote' all voting aye, the motion casried unanimously. Ms. Shea rranted it noted in the minutes that the Parks and Recreation Commissian was not represented at the October 19, 1977 Pl�nning Commission meeting� She said that the Vice-Chairperson had not been notified. She said that in the future all Commission Chairpersons should notify the vice-chairpersons if they have the opportunity. Mr. Langenfeld said that he did not intend to "poke�� at fellovr commission members but he sa�.d ihat there seemed to be a continual problem in that Commission as to not being represented at the Planning Commission meetings� - ..�. .. PLAr1NING COMMI�SIOr1 t�fEL"rIr1G - OCTOBER 1! 1977 ' p�a�, �e 16 Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that there �vould be a "People�s Job in the Environment'� held on Saturday, `,� November 5, 197?, from 9:00 A.M until 4:00 P.M. '�� at the St. Paul Vocational/Technical Institute located at 235 Marshall in St. Paul. He indicated the different topics that vrould be discussed and the people that would be speaking at the seminar. He also indicated the prices of the seminar. ADJOURI�?MIIVT MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld� to adjourn the October 19� 1977� Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 10:30 P.M. Respectfully submitted, G�i� � MaryLee Carhill Recording Secretary �. .�„��,.