PL 11/23/1977 - 30480CITY OF FRIDL�Y
PLANNING COMMI�SION M�TZNG
NOVF�tBER 23, 1 �77
� �kL�, TO ORDER:
Chairperson Harris called the November 23, 1g77, Planning
Commission meeting to order at 7;y.0 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: Shea, Oquist, Harris, Peterson, Langenfeld
Members Absent: Schnabel, Bergman (represented by Oquist)
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Others Present: Ruben Accsta
APPRUVE PLANNING COP��IISSION MT�TUTES : NOVEMBER 9� � 977
MOTION by Mro Langer.feld,- seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning
Cor�mission approve the November 9� 1977, Planning Commission
minutes.
Mr. Langenfeld req�zested that the last paragraph on P age 1 be
taken out of the minutes. He sazd that the statement that
Ms. Schnabel referred to had never been made by Ms. Sporre and
that it was erroneously stated in the Environmental Com�issiQn
minutes�
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"�, UPON A VOZCE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimou�l�.
`�' � r The Planning Co�i: siora minutes v�ere approved as amended at
' 7:43 p.rq.
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C. BROTTLUND: RFPLAT OF LOT 11, AUDITOR's SUBDIVI.SION
N0, 23, ,ALOAIG ti9ITH THE V`�ESTERLY � OF GRAND AV.�NU�, VACI�TED
BY COURT DECREE, RFCORDFD ON JUNE 30, 1948, FRIDLEY P�R��
ADllITION� GENERALL� LUCATED IN THE 6400 BLOCK ON THE E�.ST
SIDE OF EAST RIVER ROAD N.E.
MOTIQN by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Oquist, to open the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hear.ing was opened at 7:1�4 P,M.
Mr. Acosta explained the �revious action that had occurred on the
lots. He said that a question had come up regarding the vacation
of Grand Avenue and whether the vacation included Mr. Brottlund�s
property. Mr. Acosta said tha� it did include Mr. Brottlund�s
property.
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Mr. Acosta indicated that each of the lots in question were
12,327 square feet vrhich were adequate to build an R-1 dwe]_ling.
He said that service to the lots were provided near-by and that
no easements were required.
Chairperson Harris questioned how much of the vacated Gran.d
Avenue would go to Mr. Brottlund�s property. He saicl that the
original plat had shotived the entire Grand Avenue as part of the
parcel and he wanted to kno�v exactly how much would go to his
property.
Mr. Brottlund said that only 2 of the vacated Grand Avenue would
go to his property.
Mr. Kenneth Hughes of 64zt� Ashton Avenue N. E. indicated that
he had been led to believe that the entire Grand Avenue vacation
�vas to go to the prop�erty owner to the East of Grand Avenue and
not split in � ti��ith 2 to the East property owners and � to the
West property oivners. He said that he still was questioning
the distribution of the land of the vacated Grand Avenue.
Chairperson Harris said that the normal procedure �vas that in
the original Plat if the dedication for the Street had come
from 2 of Mr. Hughes' plat and 2 came from Mr. Brottlund�s Plat
then �vhen the street bvas vacated, the land ��rould return to the
original plat.
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�Ir. Hughes said that someone would have to go back to the �
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ORIGINAL plat and decide exactly �rhere the dedication for the
Grand Avenue had come from. He said that he still had questions
as to the exact ownership of the vacated land.
Mr�. Hughes said that he felt the same regarding these lots as
he had tivhen Mr. Brottlund had proposed to build duplexes on the
lots. He said that due to the lack of any parks in the area, he
would like to see the lots remain vacant, to be used as park land
rather than more houses.
Mr. Brottlund indicated that it �ras part of a surveyor�s job to
do all the research necessary to knotRr exactly what belongs tivhere
when he does a replat of property. He said that before it can
get final approval all the facts have to be substantiated.
Chairperson Harris said that the lots �vere zoned R-1. He wanted
to know Mr. Brottlund�s intent for the property.
Mr. Brottlund said that he planned to construct tvro single family
dtivellings.
Mr. Acosta explained that vrithout the area in question the lots
vrould still have over 10,000 square feet.
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MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to close the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion
n carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 7:56 p.M.
MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning
Commission recommend approval of the consideration of a
proposed plat, P.S. #77-06, Brottlund�s First Addition, by
Barry C. Brottlund; Replat of T,ot 11, Auditor's Subdivision
1Vo. 23, along with the !Vesterly �- of Grand Avenue, vacated by
court decree, recorded on June 30, 1948, Fridley Park Addition,
generally located in the 6�.00 Block on �the �ast Side of East
River Road NoE. Upon a voice vate, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
2. PUBLIC HEARITdG: RFZONING RF�UESTa Z0� ?�7,Z-04, 1�V
SUNDIAL REAI,TY COi•7P�P?Y: REZGNE TtiAT PART OF THE NORTH 80
FEET OF LOT 6, AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISICN IdO. 25� I,YING EASTERLY
OF THE NORTIi�ASTERLY RIGIiT-OF-�VAY LIN� OF THE OUTER DRIVE
OF THE STATE TRUCK HIGHti'!AY �65, AND ��JEST OF A LINE � 253.20
FE�T �'UEST OF THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6, AS MEASURED AT
RIGHT ANGLES T0, AND PARALLL'"L j'•IITH, THE EAST LINE OF SAID
LOT 6, FROM R-3 (GENERAL MULTIPLE FAMILY D�"JELI,IPJGS) , to
CR-1 (GENERAL OFFICES AND LIP�ITED BUSINESSES)� THE S.AME
BEING g61 HILLt�JIND ROAD N. E.
MOTIOlV by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr.
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all
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voting aye, the motion
�rra� opened at 8:00 P.M.
�r. Acosta explaineci that the request tivas to rezone a.present R-3
lo� to CR-l. He said that the building tivould be directly South
of the Real Estate 10 building. He said that most of the
surrounding areas �ras zoned R-1. He said that North of the Real
Estate 10 office and the y�lausau Model Homes there were some R-3
properties� but that basically it was an R-1 zoned area
surrounding the proposed development site.
Mr��.Peterson questioned the zoning of the property that was
East of the proposed site. He felt that Staff should look
at the zoning because of the closene$s of the land to the
Freetivay.
Mr. Acosta said that there was already R-1 dwellings on
Hillivind Road N.E.
Ms.. Shea said that there tivere very n�vr i�omes along Hillrvind Road
that the residents tivould be very upset at a rezoning of the
property near-by.
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Mr. Acosta said that the only access to the property was off �1
of Hillvrind Road. He said that v�ith the development of lots
3, 4� 5� 6, 7, 8& 9, Polk Street NE is planned to be extended.
He indicated that no exact date had been set for the street
extension but that it would be extended at the time the plans
go in to City Hall for the development of the above listed lots.
He said that the planned street �ight o� w�y would be a.triangle on the
property .� He �showed �'ne• R1:anning Commission a map� of the proposed
Polk 5treet "triangle".
Chairperson Harris questioned tixrhat would be d.one regarding the
lots that �vould be cut off once the "street" was put through.
Mr. Acosta said that he vrasn't sure.
The Planning Commission also discussed the Plat of the area
in question. The map that Mr. Acosta showed them and the Plat
did not agree in several aspects.
Mr. Jim Villella of 5323 Matahorn Circle (representing Sundial
Realty Company) indicated that most of the land that was close
to the proposed building had such a steep drop that he didn't
believe that anyone ti�rould or could build on that hill.
Chairperson Harris asked what Mr. Villella's intent was tivith
the building.
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Mr. Villella said that it vrould be exactly iike Real Estate 10.
He said that the building tirould blend �Jell into the area. He
said that it tivould be properly e�cavated and landscaped. He
said that it vaould have a 2/3 tivalk-out basement.
Mr. Peterson asked if the land was being purchased through
Mr. Gearman.
Mr. Villella said that they were buying the land from a
person v�ho otianed Lots 6& 7. He said that it tivas not
Mr. Gearman.
Mr. Peterson referred to the land that had the steep incline and if it
tivas possibly oi�med by the same person ivho oUrned the property
Sundial Realty �vas buying from.
Mr. Villella said that the person they were buying from otivned
approximately 300 feet of that land.
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� Mr. Peterson said that he has knoti�rn of other pieces of property
like the property u��ith the steep incline and he sai d that
stran�ely enough someone has come up with plans of how to use
that land. He said that unless the Planning Commission has �
all the questions ansti=rered� they vrill eventually get into
problems.
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Mr. Peterson wanted to kno�r Nhen they planned to start
construction.
Mr. Villella said that they wanted to start in February 1978.
Chairperson Harris asked about the setiver and tivater that vrould
serve the Sundial Realty Company.
Mr. Acosta said that Sundial tvould have to pay for the extension
of the setiver facility off of Polk Street NE. He said that water
woul d c ome o f f o f Hill�rind Ro ad.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table
Rezoning Request� ZOA #77-�4� BY SUNDIAL REALTY COMPANY:
Rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's
Subdivision No. 25, lying Easterly of the Northeasterly right-
of-tivay line of the Outer Drive of the State Truck High�ray #65
and �Uest of a line �253.20 feet �7est of the East line of said
Lot 6� as measured at ri�ht angles to, anc� parallel tiTith� the
East line of said Lot 6, from R-3 (general multiple family
dtivellings), to CR-1 (general offices and limited bu5inesses),
�he same being g61 Hillti�rind Road IJ.E.
Mr. Peterson said that there ti�ere too many unansti�rered questions.
He �tanted Staff to get the Planning Commission a complete
t'picture�' of �vhat tivould happen to the property along Hillwind
Road.
Mr. Peterson explained ihat there tivas 1,000 feet that the
Pl�nning Commission didn't knotv tivhat �vas happening tivith, he
said they didn't knorr �rhere building yras going-on on
Hill�vind Road coming from the other direction, he said that
there �vere several property owners that �vere involved and
he rvanted to be sure that no person's properties vrere cut off
vrith the needed easements that tiRrould be involved with the
extension of Polk Street. He felt that all the questions had
to have anstivers before he could vote properlyo
Chairperson Harris said that the location of Polk Street had
to be indicated more accurately.
Chairperson Harris explained that the reasons for tabling the
item tilas not the problem of Sundial Realty. He said that the
Planning Commission and Staff had to do a little more research
re�arding the surrounding areas.
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Mr. Langenfeld said that he didn't see any problem vrith the
actual request. He sai.d that the problems could be the �'�`�
result of the rezoning request and the surrounding problems
that could take place and that vras vrhat the Planning Commission
has to be sure of 1�hat they are doing so they don't create
further problems.
Chairperson Harris said that he didn't kno6v actually v�hat the
Street plans were for the area.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye the motion carried
unanimously. Rezoning Request, ZOA �77-01�, by Sundial
Realty Company rras tabled until December 7, 1977.
3. REC�UEST FOR ZOT SPZIT, L S 7-14, BY S P]' AT, RFAT,TY
COMPAP•dY: SPLIT OFF THAT PART OF LOT 6, �iUDITOR' S
SUBDIVISION P10. 25� AS DESCRIBED IT3 REZONING REG�U�ST�
THE S!�NIE BEIPdG 961 HILZ?`JIND ROAD N. E.
MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by P�[r. Langenfeld, t� table
the request for Lot Split, L.S. ��77-1J�, by Sunclial Realty
Company: Split off that part of Lot 6, Auditor's
Subdivision No. Z5, as described in rezoning request,
the same being 961 Hill�rind Road N.E. Upon a voice vote,
all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
The item �vas tabled until December 7� 1977.
4. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMI�SSION AiINUTES:
NOVEP�fB�R 3, 1977
MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Peterson, to receive the
November 3� 1977� Hwnan Resources Commission minutes.
Ms. Shea thanked the Planning Commission for the opportunity
to look at the Housing Maintenance Code.
Ms. Shea said that there �aas a netiE� me�ber on the Comffiission.
She said that Dobson replaced Lynch.
Chairperson Harris said that he felt Nis. Christlieb's statement
that Fridley tivas about 95°o developed rras a little high.
Mr. Acosta said that the number was approaching 90'�.
Chairperson Harris said that Ms. Christlieb also had stated
that the only problem could be if some of the industrial land
��ras rezoned as residential at some point in the future.
Mr. Harris felt that Fridley tivould probably get some pressure
in that direction.
There vras some discussion regarding Nir. Harris' statement. �
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UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried
unar�imously. The Human Resources Commission minutes of
n November 3, 19?7, were received at 8:53 P.M.
Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at 8:53 P.M.
Mr. Peterson said that he was very disappointed with what had
been furnished to the Planning Commission regarding the
Rezoning Request, ZO1� �77-04� by Sundial Realty Company.
He felt that at that point in time they should have been
furnished tivith more answers and more detail than 1rhat they
had received. He felt that the Planning Commission had
embarrassed the gentl�men from the Real Estate Company
because the Commission didn't know what they vrere doing.
He 1ranted Staff to be informed that tvhen such items are to
be handled by the Planning Commission, that the Commission
get mor� complete information rather than having to guess about
it.
5. CONTINUED: PARK AND OPEN' SPACE PLAN
�ir. Ray Leek tivas present at the Planning Commission meeting
basically as an observer= but also ia help ansti=aer questions
that he might have the anstivers to.
Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Boarciman had been asked
for more information regarding P age 20 of the Parks and Open
� Space Plan, "Acquisition of propert�es��.
Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission had felt
that the acquisition of properties vras a KEY ISSUE of the Plan,
Mr, Leek indicated that he preferreci not to give his vietivpoints
on the issue mainly because it had been quite some time since
he had ac�tually bvorked ���ith the document. He said that he
hadn�t formulized any ideas at that time.
Mr. Peterson said that he understood that there a�ras a p�oblem
of management and of reporting, but as the Chairman of the
Parks and Recreation Commission and knotiving the problems of
Administration and kno�ving of the problems they ran into rvhen
dealing tivith the Public, he found it difficult to feel
comfortable with all the statements that are made on the
Planning Commissiono He found it difficult ti��ith all
that's inputted by Staff that really is not the actioL of the
Parks and Recreation Commission. H� said that either the Parks
and Recreation Commission is there for a purpose or it's not.
He said that he didn't feel comfortable "�;rith all the cooks that are
tivorking on the stecr��,
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Mr. Peterson said that specifically what he objected to was
that vrording shoulcl not be changed tivithout the Parks and
Recreation Commission having something to say about it. He
said that the Parks and Recreation Commission had �vorked for
better than a year on the Plan. Iie didn't ihink it vras the
purpose of the Plannin� Commission to go through and change
words and paragraphs. He didn�t think the Planning Commission
should be spending their time amending the Plan on a tivord-to-
�'dord basis. Mr. Peterson said that he ti�as upset because of
the fact that it is said �to be okay to change it because Staff
has drati*m it up or Staff has put it in. He c�as upset because
the Parks and Recreation Director has never appeared in front
of the Commission. He said it �rasn't right to do all the
changing because the Parks and Recreation staff has spent
many hours putting the document together.
Mr. Langenfeld asked if Mr. Peterson �R�as trying to say,
"this is our document� leave it alone��?
Mr. Peterson said that rather than the Planning Commission
spending their time amending the document, thai if they
disagreed i�ith ��rhat vras in the Plan, then they should send it
back to the Parks and Recreation Commission.
Ms. Shea said that she thought that it bras the Planning
Commission's job to go through the different ordinances and
plans. She sai.d that basically the sub-commissions are to
recommend to Planning Commission, tivho recommends to City Council.
Chairperson Harris said that ti�rhen the Planning Commission ti�ent
through the Parks and Open Space Plan, there vrere some statements
made, especially in the Summary of Findings, that could not be
agreed �vith.
Mr. Oquist said that he felt that that �1as somebody's findings
and they have to be accepted as findings made. He said that it
tvas a sunmary of findings, by a group of p�ople that had
permission to do that. He said some oi the things stated,
people have ti�orked �s�ith and they should be taken as facts.
Mr. Peterson felt that a lot of time ��ras being spent doing
each others ��rork. He said that he didn't quite understand
��rhat City Council had in mind ti�rhen they came up tivith the
Charter Revision to change the Commission set-up and he
didn't feel that City Council kne�v tivhat they tvere doing either.
Chairperson Harris said that he personally felt that the 26
members of all the Commissions really made up the Planning
Commission. He felt that the Planning Commission represented
the member commission. He felt that if the Lnvironmental
Commission had an idea that could be of benefit to the Human
Resources Commission, he couldn't see anything �rrong �vith the
cross-over. �
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Mr. Peterson said that he �ras not uncomfortable ti�rith the cross-
p� over but ho�v the cross-over was accomplishecl. He said that
his main concern v�ra.s to protect the integrity of ti�rhat the
Parks and Recreation Commission had done and to protect the
.integrity of the Planning Commission within the Charter,
Chairperson Harris felt that the Parks and Open Space Plan
should be revierred by all the Commissions because it affected
all the Commissions in some vray.
Mr. Peterson agreed that it did affect all the Commissions.
He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission should have
been getting continuous feedback regarding all the amending
that had been going on.
Chai.rperson Harris said that there vrere some recommendations
in the "Policy and Recommendations�i section that effected
every citizen in the Community and every piece of land in the
community. He felt that it tixras in the realm of the Planning
Commission to have input on the document.
Chairperson Harris said that if Mr. Peterson ��ranted it, the
document vTOUld g� to City Council exactly in its original form
but he said that another document ti�rith the input from Human
Resources Commission, Community Develop�ent Commission, and
the Environmental Commission ti�rould also have to be submitted to
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MOTIOPl by Ms� Shea, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Parks and
Open Space Plan be continued and that Chairperson Harris meet
�rith City �ouncil to find out �vhat they yrant in the Plan and
crhat direction they ��ant the Planning Commission to go in.
Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission v�ras
looking at the Parks and Open Space Plan as an overall thing
which vaould effect everybody in the City of Fridley.
Chairperson Harris requested that the Parks and Open Space
Plan be placed on the City Council agenda for Novemb�r 28, 1977,
Chairperson Harris indicated that if a Plan is dra�m up it
should only be dra�vn up for the purpose of implementing it.
Mr. Oquist said that the Parks and Open Space Plan had been
"pushed�� through the Community Development Commission because
of the time element to get the funding.
Chairperson Harris said that he personally objected to dratiring
up plans just for funding purposes.
Mr. Oquist said that v�hat �vas wanted �vas a��orkin� document.
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Mr. Peterson said that �vith the Parks and Recreation's budget
and commitments, the Parks and Open Space Plan tivas not a �
vvorking document. '
Chairperson Harris asked vrhy the Plan was being dravm up.
He said that it ��ras ridiculous to drat�r a document so they
had something to shovr the P�fetropolitan Council. If �ve don't
fully intend to implement the P�an� then it shouldn't be
drarm up.
Mr. Peterson said that there vrould be no �vay that the Parks
and Open Space Pl.an could be implemented in the City of
Fridley.
UPOPd A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Parks and 4pen Space Plan iras continued
and Chair�erson Harris ti�ould take the issue to the City
Council meeting on November 28, 1977, to clarify rrhat they
wanted in regards to the P arks and Open Space Plan.
There was a brief discussion regarding the actual role that
the Commissioris had in revieti�rin� documents.
It Uras decided that it shoula be revietix�ed as a document and
not proofread. If the Commission does not agree vrith the
document, then return it to the originator for reti�rriting.
Mr. Peterson said that the Plan.ning Commission should either
accept the Parks and Open Space Plan as it tivas written or
not accept it and send it back to the P arks and Recreation
Commission to have it reti�rritten. He said that it v�asn't up
to the Planning Commission to re�vr�.te the Parks and Open Space
Plan.
Chairperson Harris stated that he vras in disagreement with
some of the findings� not all of them, and he felt it v�aas
the purpose of revie�ring the Plan� to indicate �vhich items that
he vras in disagreement vrith and yrhy.
Mr. Oquist said that if l�ir. Harris d�ras in disagreement with
the Summary of Findings� then the rest of the document �vas
useless because the res� of the document tivas based on the
Summary of Findin�s. He said that bJithout iirst agreeing tvith
the Summary of Findings, you can't do anything tilith the rest
of the document, He said that everyone should have been in
agreement with the Summary of Findings before the rest of �the
document �ras even baritten.
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r4r. Peterson said that that ti�as why he had been uncomfortable
,�, � t��i�;�: b�h���t vras happening. Iie felt that at this point that the
-��- - S�imm�.z�� oi Findin�s shauld have either been accepted or
re;jec�ed; and if it t�as rejectecl, then it should have been sent
back to the Parks anci Recreation Commission. He said that
tlle Planning Commission shoulci have said that they disagreed
with certain findings for stated reasons and requested that.
they be retrritten and resubmittEC� for their reviev�,
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6. _•HO-USING MAIPIT�P�AT•TCE CODI:
Mr. Acosta said that the cost breakdotivn of the Housino
Maintenance Code ti�ould be ready in one month. He said that
the Code ti�rould be discussed at the January City Council
Confeience meeting.
?e SLGTT ORDINI�NCE
Chairpersc�n Harris �aid that he had been at the second read.ing
of the Si�n Orc�inance, He said that the �rdinance cras passed
y�ithout �endmen �s. �Ie r�ished to thank all the member
commissions and the Sign Committee for all �he hard rrorl� �nd
all the hours that th�y put.on it. He felt that they had done
a good j�t� and he �choug2lt that it i��as a goad Ordinz.nce.
Mr�, Acos�a asked if an.yone from the Pub1i� ti�:er� presenf; ai; the
� meetin� that may have op�aosed the passing of the Sign
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Chairperson Har�is saia that no one tixra� there to oppose it
from the �ublic.
Mr. Oquist said that he felt that better communications tivas
needed in the Community. He said that no one opposed because
not that many people 1rere really ativare of �he fact that the
Sign Ordinance t�as being heard or voted on.
Nlr. Langenfeld said that if the people knetiv ti�hat �rras hap�ening,
that eity Hall t��uld have been packed�
There c�as a brief discussion regarding ��rays to better infarm
the people of the City of Frid1 ey.
8. ElV�RGY COI�I�ZTSSIUN
Chairperson Harris said that an �nergy Commission rJas being
proposed and he tivanted �.o l�no�.� t�rhat the Planning Commission
members thoughts ��rere on the idea�
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Chairperson Harris asked each of the members to think on the
idea and to let him kno�r their ideas.
Mr. Peterson said that indeed the ET�1'�RGY CRISIS is a real thing.
He felt that there crere other commissions that could deal
�vith the problem better than creaicing another�separate commission.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the entire Commission set up, the
tivay it tiras� had qualified people that could deal y�ith 'che
�nergy problem.
Mr. Oquist said that it yras a very narro��r charter for a
Commission. �
Mr. Peterson felt that it could be better handled as a
citizen committee unde� Community Development.
Chair�erson I3arris said that they tirere goin� to look
around the Community and recommend �ra.ys -that the City of
Fridley could save energy. ,
Chairperson Harris asked the members to give sone thouohts
to the idea and �arite -them doym as to vrhat to do rega•rding
an Energy Comraission, He felt that if an Energy Commission
vaas c�eveloped then al1 the codes and ordinances �vould have
to be looked at specifically from the Energy Stancipointy
ti�thich ���as usua.11y done any�vay �. He didn� t feel that another
commission just for �'Energy�' items l��as necessary. He had
given some thought th�t very possibly th� Energy item tivould
actually belong under the jurisdiction oi the Environmental
Commission. He said that possibly the name of the commission
could be changed to the "Environmental and �nergy Commission".
Mr. I,angenfeld said that he felt that they did inter-relate.
Chairperson Harris said that possibly the Planning Commission
as a lvhole should be the Energy Commission. He said that
every one of the member commissions� ti�rere concerned �vith
energy.
Mr. Peterson requested that Mr. Harris not let them create a
lvhole netv Commissio� for Energy.
Chairperson Harris asked that they think about the matter and
also think about tirhat iche �nergy Commission should be looking at
and doin� and trhat the goals should be.
ADJOUFNM�NT
MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by AZr. Peterson, to adjourn the
November 23, 1977, planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 10:2LF P.M.
Respectfull sub itted,
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MaryLee Carhill
Fecordin� SECretary
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