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PL 11/23/1977 - 30480CITY OF FRIDL�Y PLANNING COMMI�SION M�TZNG NOVF�tBER 23, 1 �77 � �kL�, TO ORDER: Chairperson Harris called the November 23, 1g77, Planning Commission meeting to order at 7;y.0 P.M. ROLL CALL: Members Present: Shea, Oquist, Harris, Peterson, Langenfeld Members Absent: Schnabel, Bergman (represented by Oquist) 0 Others Present: Ruben Accsta APPRUVE PLANNING COP��IISSION MT�TUTES : NOVEMBER 9� � 977 MOTION by Mro Langer.feld,- seconded by Ms. Shea, that the Planning Cor�mission approve the November 9� 1977, Planning Commission minutes. Mr. Langenfeld req�zested that the last paragraph on P age 1 be taken out of the minutes. He sazd that the statement that Ms. Schnabel referred to had never been made by Ms. Sporre and that it was erroneously stated in the Environmental Com�issiQn minutes� --G;- "�, UPON A VOZCE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimou�l�. `�' � r The Planning Co�i: siora minutes v�ere approved as amended at ' 7:43 p.rq. 1. � �� � ,- C. BROTTLUND: RFPLAT OF LOT 11, AUDITOR's SUBDIVI.SION N0, 23, ,ALOAIG ti9ITH THE V`�ESTERLY � OF GRAND AV.�NU�, VACI�TED BY COURT DECREE, RFCORDFD ON JUNE 30, 1948, FRIDLEY P�R�� ADllITION� GENERALL� LUCATED IN THE 6400 BLOCK ON THE E�.ST SIDE OF EAST RIVER ROAD N.E. MOTIQN by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Oquist, to open the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Public Hear.ing was opened at 7:1�4 P,M. Mr. Acosta explained the �revious action that had occurred on the lots. He said that a question had come up regarding the vacation of Grand Avenue and whether the vacation included Mr. Brottlund�s property. Mr. Acosta said tha� it did include Mr. Brottlund�s property. PLANNING COMMISSION ME�`I'ING - NOVT�IBFR 2� 19rT7 Pa�;e 2 Mr. Acosta indicated that each of the lots in question were 12,327 square feet vrhich were adequate to build an R-1 dwe]_ling. He said that service to the lots were provided near-by and that no easements were required. Chairperson Harris questioned how much of the vacated Gran.d Avenue would go to Mr. Brottlund�s property. He saicl that the original plat had shotived the entire Grand Avenue as part of the parcel and he wanted to kno�v exactly how much would go to his property. Mr. Brottlund said that only 2 of the vacated Grand Avenue would go to his property. Mr. Kenneth Hughes of 64zt� Ashton Avenue N. E. indicated that he had been led to believe that the entire Grand Avenue vacation �vas to go to the prop�erty owner to the East of Grand Avenue and not split in � ti��ith 2 to the East property owners and � to the West property oivners. He said that he still was questioning the distribution of the land of the vacated Grand Avenue. Chairperson Harris said that the normal procedure �vas that in the original Plat if the dedication for the Street had come from 2 of Mr. Hughes' plat and 2 came from Mr. Brottlund�s Plat then �vhen the street bvas vacated, the land ��rould return to the original plat. �� .�.. �Ir. Hughes said that someone would have to go back to the � �_e ORIGINAL plat and decide exactly �rhere the dedication for the Grand Avenue had come from. He said that he still had questions as to the exact ownership of the vacated land. Mr�. Hughes said that he felt the same regarding these lots as he had tivhen Mr. Brottlund had proposed to build duplexes on the lots. He said that due to the lack of any parks in the area, he would like to see the lots remain vacant, to be used as park land rather than more houses. Mr. Brottlund indicated that it �ras part of a surveyor�s job to do all the research necessary to knotRr exactly what belongs tivhere when he does a replat of property. He said that before it can get final approval all the facts have to be substantiated. Chairperson Harris said that the lots �vere zoned R-1. He wanted to know Mr. Brottlund�s intent for the property. Mr. Brottlund said that he planned to construct tvro single family dtivellings. Mr. Acosta explained that vrithout the area in question the lots vrould still have over 10,000 square feet. PLANNING COMMISSION M�ETING - NOVII�[BER 23� 1977 Pa�e �,� MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Peterson, to close the Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion n carried unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 7:56 p.M. MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning Commission recommend approval of the consideration of a proposed plat, P.S. #77-06, Brottlund�s First Addition, by Barry C. Brottlund; Replat of T,ot 11, Auditor's Subdivision 1Vo. 23, along with the !Vesterly �- of Grand Avenue, vacated by court decree, recorded on June 30, 1948, Fridley Park Addition, generally located in the 6�.00 Block on �the �ast Side of East River Road NoE. Upon a voice vate, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. 2. PUBLIC HEARITdG: RFZONING RF�UESTa Z0� ?�7,Z-04, 1�V SUNDIAL REAI,TY COi•7P�P?Y: REZGNE TtiAT PART OF THE NORTH 80 FEET OF LOT 6, AUDITOR'S SUBDIVISICN IdO. 25� I,YING EASTERLY OF THE NORTIi�ASTERLY RIGIiT-OF-�VAY LIN� OF THE OUTER DRIVE OF THE STATE TRUCK HIGHti'!AY �65, AND ��JEST OF A LINE � 253.20 FE�T �'UEST OF THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6, AS MEASURED AT RIGHT ANGLES T0, AND PARALLL'"L j'•IITH, THE EAST LINE OF SAID LOT 6, FROM R-3 (GENERAL MULTIPLE FAMILY D�"JELI,IPJGS) , to CR-1 (GENERAL OFFICES AND LIP�ITED BUSINESSES)� THE S.AME BEING g61 HILLt�JIND ROAD N. E. MOTIOlV by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all � carried unanimously. The Public Hearing n Oauist, to open the voting aye, the motion �rra� opened at 8:00 P.M. �r. Acosta explaineci that the request tivas to rezone a.present R-3 lo� to CR-l. He said that the building tivould be directly South of the Real Estate 10 building. He said that most of the surrounding areas �ras zoned R-1. He said that North of the Real Estate 10 office and the y�lausau Model Homes there were some R-3 properties� but that basically it was an R-1 zoned area surrounding the proposed development site. Mr��.Peterson questioned the zoning of the property that was East of the proposed site. He felt that Staff should look at the zoning because of the closene$s of the land to the Freetivay. Mr. Acosta said that there was already R-1 dwellings on Hillivind Road N.E. Ms.. Shea said that there tivere very n�vr i�omes along Hillrvind Road that the residents tivould be very upset at a rezoning of the property near-by. � PLANNING COMMISSION M�rTING - NOVL'MBFR 23s 1977 Pa�e 4 Mr. Acosta said that the only access to the property was off �1 of Hillvrind Road. He said that v�ith the development of lots 3, 4� 5� 6, 7, 8& 9, Polk Street NE is planned to be extended. He indicated that no exact date had been set for the street extension but that it would be extended at the time the plans go in to City Hall for the development of the above listed lots. He said that the planned street �ight o� w�y would be a.triangle on the property .� He �showed �'ne• R1:anning Commission a map� of the proposed Polk 5treet "triangle". Chairperson Harris questioned tixrhat would be d.one regarding the lots that �vould be cut off once the "street" was put through. Mr. Acosta said that he vrasn't sure. The Planning Commission also discussed the Plat of the area in question. The map that Mr. Acosta showed them and the Plat did not agree in several aspects. Mr. Jim Villella of 5323 Matahorn Circle (representing Sundial Realty Company) indicated that most of the land that was close to the proposed building had such a steep drop that he didn't believe that anyone ti�rould or could build on that hill. Chairperson Harris asked what Mr. Villella's intent was tivith the building. �� Mr. Villella said that it vrould be exactly iike Real Estate 10. He said that the building tirould blend �Jell into the area. He said that it tivould be properly e�cavated and landscaped. He said that it vaould have a 2/3 tivalk-out basement. Mr. Peterson asked if the land was being purchased through Mr. Gearman. Mr. Villella said that they were buying the land from a person v�ho otianed Lots 6& 7. He said that it tivas not Mr. Gearman. Mr. Peterson referred to the land that had the steep incline and if it tivas possibly oi�med by the same person ivho oUrned the property Sundial Realty �vas buying from. Mr. Villella said that the person they were buying from otivned approximately 300 feet of that land. _ ,� PLANNING COMMISSION P�ILETING - NOVL'NIBrR 23, 1977 Pa�e 5 � Mr. Peterson said that he has knoti�rn of other pieces of property like the property u��ith the steep incline and he sai d that stran�ely enough someone has come up with plans of how to use that land. He said that unless the Planning Commission has � all the questions ansti=rered� they vrill eventually get into problems. � � Mr. Peterson wanted to kno�r Nhen they planned to start construction. Mr. Villella said that they wanted to start in February 1978. Chairperson Harris asked about the setiver and tivater that vrould serve the Sundial Realty Company. Mr. Acosta said that Sundial tvould have to pay for the extension of the setiver facility off of Polk Street NE. He said that water woul d c ome o f f o f Hill�rind Ro ad. MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table Rezoning Request� ZOA #77-�4� BY SUNDIAL REALTY COMPANY: Rezone that part of the North 80 feet of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. 25, lying Easterly of the Northeasterly right- of-tivay line of the Outer Drive of the State Truck High�ray #65 and �Uest of a line �253.20 feet �7est of the East line of said Lot 6� as measured at ri�ht angles to, anc� parallel tiTith� the East line of said Lot 6, from R-3 (general multiple family dtivellings), to CR-1 (general offices and limited bu5inesses), �he same being g61 Hillti�rind Road IJ.E. Mr. Peterson said that there ti�ere too many unansti�rered questions. He �tanted Staff to get the Planning Commission a complete t'picture�' of �vhat tivould happen to the property along Hillwind Road. Mr. Peterson explained ihat there tivas 1,000 feet that the Pl�nning Commission didn't knotv tivhat �vas happening tivith, he said they didn't knorr �rhere building yras going-on on Hill�vind Road coming from the other direction, he said that there �vere several property owners that �vere involved and he rvanted to be sure that no person's properties vrere cut off vrith the needed easements that tiRrould be involved with the extension of Polk Street. He felt that all the questions had to have anstivers before he could vote properlyo Chairperson Harris said that the location of Polk Street had to be indicated more accurately. Chairperson Harris explained that the reasons for tabling the item tilas not the problem of Sundial Realty. He said that the Planning Commission and Staff had to do a little more research re�arding the surrounding areas. PLANNING COMMIaSION MErTING - NOVF�MB�R z3, 1977 Pa�;e 6 Mr. Langenfeld said that he didn't see any problem vrith the actual request. He sai.d that the problems could be the �'�`� result of the rezoning request and the surrounding problems that could take place and that vras vrhat the Planning Commission has to be sure of 1�hat they are doing so they don't create further problems. Chairperson Harris said that he didn't kno6v actually v�hat the Street plans were for the area. UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye the motion carried unanimously. Rezoning Request, ZOA �77-01�, by Sundial Realty Company rras tabled until December 7, 1977. 3. REC�UEST FOR ZOT SPZIT, L S 7-14, BY S P]' AT, RFAT,TY COMPAP•dY: SPLIT OFF THAT PART OF LOT 6, �iUDITOR' S SUBDIVISION P10. 25� AS DESCRIBED IT3 REZONING REG�U�ST� THE S!�NIE BEIPdG 961 HILZ?`JIND ROAD N. E. MOTION by Mr. Peterson, seconded by P�[r. Langenfeld, t� table the request for Lot Split, L.S. ��77-1J�, by Sunclial Realty Company: Split off that part of Lot 6, Auditor's Subdivision No. Z5, as described in rezoning request, the same being 961 Hill�rind Road N.E. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The item �vas tabled until December 7� 1977. 4. RECEIVE HUMAN RESOURCES COMMI�SSION AiINUTES: NOVEP�fB�R 3, 1977 MOTION by Ms. Shea� seconded by Mr. Peterson, to receive the November 3� 1977� Hwnan Resources Commission minutes. Ms. Shea thanked the Planning Commission for the opportunity to look at the Housing Maintenance Code. Ms. Shea said that there �aas a netiE� me�ber on the Comffiission. She said that Dobson replaced Lynch. Chairperson Harris said that he felt Nis. Christlieb's statement that Fridley tivas about 95°o developed rras a little high. Mr. Acosta said that the number was approaching 90'�. Chairperson Harris said that Ms. Christlieb also had stated that the only problem could be if some of the industrial land ��ras rezoned as residential at some point in the future. Mr. Harris felt that Fridley tivould probably get some pressure in that direction. There vras some discussion regarding Nir. Harris' statement. � PLANNING COMMISSION MEFTING - NOVI�+lBER 23 1977 Pa�e 7 UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unar�imously. The Human Resources Commission minutes of n November 3, 19?7, were received at 8:53 P.M. Chairperson Harris declared a ten minute break at 8:53 P.M. Mr. Peterson said that he was very disappointed with what had been furnished to the Planning Commission regarding the Rezoning Request, ZO1� �77-04� by Sundial Realty Company. He felt that at that point in time they should have been furnished tivith more answers and more detail than 1rhat they had received. He felt that the Planning Commission had embarrassed the gentl�men from the Real Estate Company because the Commission didn't know what they vrere doing. He 1ranted Staff to be informed that tvhen such items are to be handled by the Planning Commission, that the Commission get mor� complete information rather than having to guess about it. 5. CONTINUED: PARK AND OPEN' SPACE PLAN �ir. Ray Leek tivas present at the Planning Commission meeting basically as an observer= but also ia help ansti=aer questions that he might have the anstivers to. Chairperson Harris said that Mr. Boarciman had been asked for more information regarding P age 20 of the Parks and Open � Space Plan, "Acquisition of propert�es��. Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission had felt that the acquisition of properties vras a KEY ISSUE of the Plan, Mr, Leek indicated that he preferreci not to give his vietivpoints on the issue mainly because it had been quite some time since he had ac�tually bvorked ���ith the document. He said that he hadn�t formulized any ideas at that time. Mr. Peterson said that he understood that there a�ras a p�oblem of management and of reporting, but as the Chairman of the Parks and Recreation Commission and knotiving the problems of Administration and kno�ving of the problems they ran into rvhen dealing tivith the Public, he found it difficult to feel comfortable with all the statements that are made on the Planning Commissiono He found it difficult ti��ith all that's inputted by Staff that really is not the actioL of the Parks and Recreation Commission. H� said that either the Parks and Recreation Commission is there for a purpose or it's not. He said that he didn't feel comfortable "�;rith all the cooks that are tivorking on the stecr��, '�"� PLANNING CONZMISSION MrETING - NOVEM�i�R 23, 1977 pa�e 8 Mr. Peterson said that specifically what he objected to was that vrording shoulcl not be changed tivithout the Parks and Recreation Commission having something to say about it. He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission had �vorked for better than a year on the Plan. Iie didn't ihink it vras the purpose of the Plannin� Commission to go through and change words and paragraphs. He didn�t think the Planning Commission should be spending their time amending the Plan on a tivord-to- �'dord basis. Mr. Peterson said that he ti�as upset because of the fact that it is said �to be okay to change it because Staff has drati*m it up or Staff has put it in. He c�as upset because the Parks and Recreation Director has never appeared in front of the Commission. He said it �rasn't right to do all the changing because the Parks and Recreation staff has spent many hours putting the document together. Mr. Langenfeld asked if Mr. Peterson �R�as trying to say, "this is our document� leave it alone��? Mr. Peterson said that rather than the Planning Commission spending their time amending the document, thai if they disagreed i�ith ��rhat vras in the Plan, then they should send it back to the Parks and Recreation Commission. Ms. Shea said that she thought that it bras the Planning Commission's job to go through the different ordinances and plans. She sai.d that basically the sub-commissions are to recommend to Planning Commission, tivho recommends to City Council. Chairperson Harris said that ti�rhen the Planning Commission ti�ent through the Parks and Open Space Plan, there vrere some statements made, especially in the Summary of Findings, that could not be agreed �vith. Mr. Oquist said that he felt that that �1as somebody's findings and they have to be accepted as findings made. He said that it tvas a sunmary of findings, by a group of p�ople that had permission to do that. He said some oi the things stated, people have ti�orked �s�ith and they should be taken as facts. Mr. Peterson felt that a lot of time ��ras being spent doing each others ��rork. He said that he didn't quite understand ��rhat City Council had in mind ti�rhen they came up tivith the Charter Revision to change the Commission set-up and he didn't feel that City Council kne�v tivhat they tvere doing either. Chairperson Harris said that he personally felt that the 26 members of all the Commissions really made up the Planning Commission. He felt that the Planning Commission represented the member commission. He felt that if the Lnvironmental Commission had an idea that could be of benefit to the Human Resources Commission, he couldn't see anything �rrong �vith the cross-over. � � � �-_� : PLAPINING COMMISSIOII M�FTING - P10VF.T�B�R 23, 1977 Pa�e Mr. Peterson said that he �ras not uncomfortable ti�rith the cross- p� over but ho�v the cross-over was accomplishecl. He said that his main concern v�ra.s to protect the integrity of ti�rhat the Parks and Recreation Commission had done and to protect the .integrity of the Planning Commission within the Charter, Chairperson Harris felt that the Parks and Open Space Plan should be revierred by all the Commissions because it affected all the Commissions in some vray. Mr. Peterson agreed that it did affect all the Commissions. He said that the Parks and Recreation Commission should have been getting continuous feedback regarding all the amending that had been going on. Chai.rperson Harris said that there vrere some recommendations in the "Policy and Recommendations�i section that effected every citizen in the Community and every piece of land in the community. He felt that it tixras in the realm of the Planning Commission to have input on the document. Chairperson Harris said that if Mr. Peterson ��ranted it, the document vTOUld g� to City Council exactly in its original form but he said that another document ti�rith the input from Human Resources Commission, Community Develop�ent Commission, and the Environmental Commission ti�rould also have to be submitted to �--� City Council. MOTIOPl by Ms� Shea, seconded by Mr. Oquist, that the Parks and Open Space Plan be continued and that Chairperson Harris meet �rith City �ouncil to find out �vhat they yrant in the Plan and crhat direction they ��ant the Planning Commission to go in. Chairperson Harris said that the Planning Commission v�ras looking at the Parks and Open Space Plan as an overall thing which vaould effect everybody in the City of Fridley. Chairperson Harris requested that the Parks and Open Space Plan be placed on the City Council agenda for Novemb�r 28, 1977, Chairperson Harris indicated that if a Plan is dra�m up it should only be dra�vn up for the purpose of implementing it. Mr. Oquist said that the Parks and Open Space Plan had been "pushed�� through the Community Development Commission because of the time element to get the funding. Chairperson Harris said that he personally objected to dratiring up plans just for funding purposes. Mr. Oquist said that v�hat �vas wanted �vas a��orkin� document. � � PLATdNING COP�I�[ISSION M��TING - NOV � srr� 23, 1977 Pa�e 10 Mr. Peterson said that �vith the Parks and Recreation's budget and commitments, the Parks and Open Space Plan tivas not a � vvorking document. ' Chairperson Harris asked vrhy the Plan was being dravm up. He said that it ��ras ridiculous to drat�r a document so they had something to shovr the P�fetropolitan Council. If �ve don't fully intend to implement the P�an� then it shouldn't be drarm up. Mr. Peterson said that there vrould be no �vay that the Parks and Open Space Pl.an could be implemented in the City of Fridley. UPOPd A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. The Parks and 4pen Space Plan iras continued and Chair�erson Harris ti�ould take the issue to the City Council meeting on November 28, 1977, to clarify rrhat they wanted in regards to the P arks and Open Space Plan. There was a brief discussion regarding the actual role that the Commissioris had in revieti�rin� documents. It Uras decided that it shoula be revietix�ed as a document and not proofread. If the Commission does not agree vrith the document, then return it to the originator for reti�rriting. Mr. Peterson said that the Plan.ning Commission should either accept the Parks and Open Space Plan as it tivas written or not accept it and send it back to the P arks and Recreation Commission to have it reti�rritten. He said that it v�asn't up to the Planning Commission to re�vr�.te the Parks and Open Space Plan. Chairperson Harris stated that he vras in disagreement with some of the findings� not all of them, and he felt it v�aas the purpose of revie�ring the Plan� to indicate �vhich items that he vras in disagreement vrith and yrhy. Mr. Oquist said that if l�ir. Harris d�ras in disagreement with the Summary of Findings� then the rest of the document �vas useless because the res� of the document tivas based on the Summary of Findin�s. He said that bJithout iirst agreeing tvith the Summary of Findings, you can't do anything tilith the rest of the document, He said that everyone should have been in agreement with the Summary of Findings before the rest of �the document �ras even baritten. �"�, .�,� � PLA�1NiT�C COA��4I;�IOIJ t�IE�TIPIG - N�Vi�i�FR 2�, 1977 Pa�;e 11 � r4r. Peterson said that that ti�as why he had been uncomfortable ,�, � t��i�;�: b�h���t vras happening. Iie felt that at this point that the -��- - S�imm�.z�� oi Findin�s shauld have either been accepted or re;jec�ed; and if it t�as rejectecl, then it should have been sent back to the Parks anci Recreation Commission. He said that tlle Planning Commission shoulci have said that they disagreed with certain findings for stated reasons and requested that. they be retrritten and resubmittEC� for their reviev�, �,_ 6. _•HO-USING MAIPIT�P�AT•TCE CODI: Mr. Acosta said that the cost breakdotivn of the Housino Maintenance Code ti�ould be ready in one month. He said that the Code ti�rould be discussed at the January City Council Confeience meeting. ?e SLGTT ORDINI�NCE Chairpersc�n Harris �aid that he had been at the second read.ing of the Si�n Orc�inance, He said that the �rdinance cras passed y�ithout �endmen �s. �Ie r�ished to thank all the member commissions and the Sign Committee for all �he hard rrorl� �nd all the hours that th�y put.on it. He felt that they had done a good j�t� and he �choug2lt that it i��as a goad Ordinz.nce. Mr�, Acos�a asked if an.yone from the Pub1i� ti�:er� presenf; ai; the � meetin� that may have op�aosed the passing of the Sign > � Or:iinaa�c e, Chairperson Har�is saia that no one tixra� there to oppose it from the �ublic. Mr. Oquist said that he felt that better communications tivas needed in the Community. He said that no one opposed because not that many people 1rere really ativare of �he fact that the Sign Ordinance t�as being heard or voted on. Nlr. Langenfeld said that if the people knetiv ti�hat �rras hap�ening, that eity Hall t��uld have been packed� There c�as a brief discussion regarding ��rays to better infarm the people of the City of Frid1 ey. 8. ElV�RGY COI�I�ZTSSIUN Chairperson Harris said that an �nergy Commission rJas being proposed and he tivanted �.o l�no�.� t�rhat the Planning Commission members thoughts ��rere on the idea� a� � . _ ., , -1`''�!' . _ .. � - _ _. -;..:�-.. PLIINNING COr`�7ISSIOr1 P� � �TING - NOVEMBrR 2, 1977 Pa�e 12 Chairperson Harris asked each of the members to think on the idea and to let him kno�r their ideas. Mr. Peterson said that indeed the ET�1'�RGY CRISIS is a real thing. He felt that there crere other commissions that could deal �vith the problem better than creaicing another�separate commission. Mr. Langenfeld said that the entire Commission set up, the tivay it tiras� had qualified people that could deal y�ith 'che �nergy problem. Mr. Oquist said that it yras a very narro��r charter for a Commission. � Mr. Peterson felt that it could be better handled as a citizen committee unde� Community Development. Chair�erson I3arris said that they tirere goin� to look around the Community and recommend �ra.ys -that the City of Fridley could save energy. , Chairperson Harris asked the members to give sone thouohts to the idea and �arite -them doym as to vrhat to do rega•rding an Energy Comraission, He felt that if an Energy Commission vaas c�eveloped then al1 the codes and ordinances �vould have to be looked at specifically from the Energy Stancipointy ti�thich ���as usua.11y done any�vay �. He didn� t feel that another commission just for �'Energy�' items l��as necessary. He had given some thought th�t very possibly th� Energy item tivould actually belong under the jurisdiction oi the Environmental Commission. He said that possibly the name of the commission could be changed to the "Environmental and �nergy Commission". Mr. I,angenfeld said that he felt that they did inter-relate. Chairperson Harris said that possibly the Planning Commission as a lvhole should be the Energy Commission. He said that every one of the member commissions� ti�rere concerned �vith energy. Mr. Peterson requested that Mr. Harris not let them create a lvhole netv Commissio� for Energy. Chairperson Harris asked that they think about the matter and also think about tirhat iche �nergy Commission should be looking at and doin� and trhat the goals should be. ADJOUFNM�NT MOTION by Ms. Shea, seconded by AZr. Peterson, to adjourn the November 23, 1977, planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously. Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 10:2LF P.M. Respectfull sub itted, � � MaryLee Carhill Fecordin� SECretary a ` �+,�'