PL 05/03/1978 - 6632--�— City of Fridley
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� AGENDA
PLANNIN6 COFUIISSION ME�TIt�G MAY 3, 1978 7:30 P.M.
CALL TO OR�ER:
ROLL CALL:
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 19, 1978
1, COMPREHENSIVE SEI�JER PLAN ,
2. CONTINUED: DISCUSSION ON ENERGY COP1MISSION
3. RECEIVE COP�1MUNITY DEVELOPh1ENT COP•1PIISSION HINUTES: APRIL 11 , 1978
4. RECEIVE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY COMh1ISSI0N P4INUTES• APRIL 18, 1978
5. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MINUTES: APP.IL 25, 197II
6. DTHER BUSINESS
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CITY OF FRIDLEY ,
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
APRIL 19, 1938
CALL TO ORDERs
Chairperson Harris called the April 19� 1978, Planning Commission
meeting to order at ']:37 P.M.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present: StoF1a� Oquist, Harris, 5uhrbier, Schnabel,
Langenfeld
Members Abserit: Bergman - Oquist representing;
Pet'erson - Suhrbier representing-
Others Present: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPROVE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES• APRIL 5, 1978
MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Storla, to approve the
April 5s �978, Planning Commission minutes,
Ais, Schnabel asked tYcat two typographical errors be corrected;
Page g, 11 paragraph, second sentence. The first word ��It!+
should be changed to the word +�He".
Page.1�, 13th paragraph, second sentence. The word ��here�� should
actually be ��her� ;
IIPOId A VOICE VOTE, a11 voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
1. AIRPORT PROPOSAL: Lee Ann Sporre
Chairperson Harris said that this item would be handled under
Item 13, ��Other Business��.
2. CONTINIIED:
eu7.�S�,3,A,5, TO ALL06V THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RECREATIONAL USE
BIIILDING ON THE NORTH 300 FFET OF THE SOUTH 1105 FEET OF THE EAST
HAI,F OF T$E NORTHEAST QUARTER OF THE SOUTHEAST QUARTER OF
SECTION j, THE SAME BEING 8031 BEECH STREET'NE.
Public Hearing open.
Mr: Boardman explained that the Ciiy of Fridley Police Department
checked with the Eagan Police Department regarding the Disco in
Eagan. Each of the members of the Commission received a copy of
the correspondence from the Fridley Police Department and the
Eagan Police Department.
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Mr. Boardman also pointed out that a Petition was received from
12 businesses in the area against the proposal.
Chairperson Harris read the petition to the members of the Planning
Commission and the audience.
M�TION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive the
petition opposing the construction of a teen disco recreation building
to be located'at 8031 Beech Street NE, Petition #8-1978.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
The petition was received at 7:43 P.M.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to receive the
memorandum from James P. Aill of the City of Fridley Police Department
and the correspondence from Sergeant Patrick J. Geagan of the
Eagan Police Department.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Richard Carlson of 7900 Beech Street NE, president of Park
'Construction Company, said that he owned 20 acres directly across the
street from the proposed Disco. He indicated that one of his major
concerns was the fact that presently Beech Street was a"speed �ay"
between 79th and 81st Avenues. He said that his property suffered
enough damage from those cars and that he didn't want the introduction
of more cars into that area. He also said that he experienced the
problem of refuse on his property. He said that the Company presently
had a maintenance person that keeps the property picked up, but again
he did not feel that the proposed number of individuals going into
the area vrould do anything but multiply an already existing problem.
He said that the Company invested their money in the particular
property because they presumed that the area was industrial. He said
that it would be a great concern of any new people entering the area
that wanted to use the particular property for an industrial venture
if the Disco were allowed to be constructed at 8031 Beech Street.
Mr..Carlson said that he and the Company recognized the fact that such
a place was needed in the City of Fridley, but he did not feel that
the industrial location was the proper place to put a Disco Center for
teen-agers.
Mr. Don Harstad of 7101 Hightivay #65 NE, president of D. W. Harstad
Company said that the proposed Disco Center for teen-agers would
detract from what the area tvas meant to be - an industrial park. He
did not feel that the proposed teen center should be located at
8031 Beech Street, He said that the people conducting.business in
that industrial area have indicated that they are not in favor o£
the proposed construction.
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Mr. Brama said that he was in favor of the propceed discotheque.
He felt it would be a development that could be integrated into
Fridley�s comprehensive plan fer the area, He said it wouZd be
tolerable with the other industria2 uses that eere existent in the
area. He said it would be a great benefit to the community in terms
of wholesome free-time activity for the teen-agers in the City,
Mr, Brama indicated that the teen-center discotheque �ould be good
for the Community and he felt that the deveiopment mould be compatible
with the industrial aspect of the area.
Ms. Suhrbier asked if it was known how much vandalism had taken place
as a result of the discotheque in Eagan.
Mr. Rozman said that there had been very little.
Mr. Rozman said that he felt it was time to consider the teen-ager
and their free-time recreation. He said that the discotheque would
offer entertainment for the teens in Fridley� He said it would be
properly chaperoned. He said that not all teens were bad and some
credit had to be given to the ��good�� teens of the society, He said
that not all teen-agers cause trouble and vattdalize property. He
felt that the proposed location was definitely good, He said that
the particular area had�very little traffic during the evening hours
and the building wouldn t be located near residential areas.
Ms. Schnabel indicated four areas that she v�as concerned with;
1) She wanted to know the square footage of the proposed building.
Mr. Boardman said that the Fire Code indicated there had to be
15 square feet per person.
Ms, Schnabel said that the proposed bui].ding would be 15,000 square
, feet, with 12,000 square feet of useable dance floor.
Mr. Rozman said that there would never be more than the allowed
�number of people in the building at one time. He said the number
would be controlled by the issuance of tickets.
2) Ms. Schnabel said that she was concerned of the fire safeiy
of the building.
Mr. Rozman said that the building would be constructed somer+hat
like a theater with ample exit doors. He said that the fire doors
would only be locked from the outside, prohibiting entrance but
would never be locked from the inside. He said that at all times,
the people in the building would be able to get out.
3) Ms. Schnabel was concerned about the traffic flow, She wanted
to know the expected flow of traffic into and out of the area.
Mr, Rozman said that the main flow of traffic would be from
University Avenue along 83rd and 79th. ,
Mr. Rozman said that it would be mainly an evening operation and
shouldn�t produce problems in the area as far as trafiic was
concerned.
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Ms, Schnabel was also concerned regarding the traffic flow onto
East River Road.
Mr. Rozman said that East River Road would only be a secondary
traffic flow route.
�) Ms. Schnabel fourth area of concern v�as in security, She
wanted to know if off-duty police officers tivould be employed.
She also wanted to know if there would be any security for
the adjacent businesses in the area.
Mr. Rozman said that Mr. Brama owned most of the land nearby,
Mr. Brama pointed out that Park Construction Company had a fenced
equipment yard across the street,
Mr. Storla re�i through #6 of the recommendations in the memorandum
£rom the Fridley Police Department, He tivanted to know Mr. Rozman's
comments regarding the item.
Mr. Rozman felt that it was an awfully steep fee,
Mr. Boardman e�cplained the item to the Commission and tfle audience.
He said that the police department was greatly concerned about the
health, safety, and �velfare factors for the citizens of the area,
including.the business oFaners in the area. He said that there had
been an increase@ rise in vandalism over the past few year3s in the
area, a rise in theft complaints (�rhich could be caused by the
isolated situation of the area), and a rise in disorderly conduct,
assults� drinking� and drug violations in the immediate area.
Mr. Boardman said that the Police Department felt that this would
be the problem with the proposed concept. He said that it Nouid be
hard to control tivhat would be happening in the cars and they tivouldn�t
be able to control the happenings once the teens left the establishment.
Mr. Boardm�n pointed out that because o4 the above there would have to
be an increase in police protection in that area during those hours
of operation. He said that Mr. Hill did indicate that the costs
mentioned vrere estimates and that they could be more and possibly less,
but would cost somewhere in that generaZ area of dollars.
Mr. Boardman said that there vrould undoubtedly be an increase of litter
in the area� of crhich the existing businesses are already plagued with.
hir. Rozman wanted to kno�t ti+rhay all teens had to be dotivngraded, $e
felt ihat people today had to believe that teens are really a lot
better than only thievess drug addicts� and drunks. He didn't feel
that the establishment �vould draw the type of teens that cause trouble.
He said that the entire establishment and parking 1ot would be policed,
He said that the clienteZe at the Eagan Disco Center are not the type
of trouble-makers that the Police Department were worried about.
Mr. Rozman said ihat a large'number of the teens are brought to the
disco center by their parents and picked up after the dancing is over,
Iie said that not all the teens would be driving themselves.
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Mr. Boardman asked how many parking spaces would be provided for.
Mr. Rozman said that he wasn't sure how many �ould be needed. He
said it �as hard to estimate because'the Aisco Center in Eagan shared
the parking lot with the shopping center, He said that it wasn�t
even possible for him to estimate the number oi spaces he would need.
Mr. Langenfeld pointed out that it should be remembered by the members
of the Commission that a Special Use Permit was being requested, He
also said that Mr. Rozman had been supportative of any suggestions and
recommendations that had been made by the Police Department.
Mr. Rozman said that it was his intention to have a Disco Center for
the teen-agerU in the area and he planned to operate the Center as
long as the Center held its own� dollar wise.
Ms. Suhrbier asked if the Disco Center in Eagan was still popular.
Mr. Rozman said that it was more.popular than ever, He said the problem
existed where many times teens were turned away because there were
too many wanting admittance. He said that tivas why he wanted to establish
a center in the North suburbs.
Ms. Suhrbier said that it rras hard for the teens in Fridley to drive
all .the tvay to Eagan to attend the Disco Center. She said that she
was aware.of the fact that the teens were presently driving that distance.
She agreed that there ��ras a need to have a Disco Center in the area,
mainly to alleviate the problems of the area teens having to drive that
great distance.
Ms. Schnabel asked what the hours were going to be.
Mr. Rozman said that it would be open until midnight on Friday and
Saturd�}r and until 10:00 P.M, on Sunday during the school year.
Mr. Langenfeld asked Mr, Storla if he was aware of the need or desire
for the proposed Disco Center.
Mr. Storla said thzt presently he and Ms. Gabel chaperoned teen dances
each week-end. He said that it �as mainly for,the Junior High age
group, but he said that attendance was astounding. He said there �vas
al��}rs 300+ teens a� the dances. Ae said that they hadn't experienced
any really serious problems and he felt the dances were working out
great.
Ms. Gabel pointed out that she felt one of the main reasons there
weren't any serious problems vras because there was one chaperone for
every 30 teens. She didn't think that 8-10 chaperones for i000+ teens
was adequate.
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Mr. Rozman assured everyone that there would be adequate chaperones
at the Disco Center. He said that the teens would be at the center,
dancing and having fun and he really didn't feel there would be that
much trouble.
Mr. Rozman said there would only be soft drinks and snacks available
at the Disco Center. He said there would be absolutely no beer or
alcoholic beverages served.
Mr, Burandt said that there was a real void in the recreation program
in Fridley for that age group. He felt that the concept of the Disco
Center was good and would be good for Fridley.
Mr. Trocke of 6035 -2nd Street said that the Commission had before them
a petition from the Uusinesses in the area stating that they did not
want the proposed Di�co in that area. He said that the area was near
North Park, He said that anyone �valking through the woods of North Park
could observe what a dumping place North Park had become. He said that
much of that trash was dumped there by teen-agers parking in the area
and showing no concexn for the property. He said that some heed should
be given to the people that signed the petition because they were the
ones that would have to cope with the problems of trash and vandalism.
Mr. Sob Schroer of 490 Rice Creek Blvd said that he was not nearly so
much opposed to the type of operation but he was mostly concerned that
it was being proposed for an industrial area, He felt that it would
be encouraging too much traffic into the area.
Mr. Brama said that the traffic problem was one of the reasons that
site was proposed. He said that the Disco Center would be an evening
business and would not add to any of the traffic that travels through
the area during the day.
Mr.' Schroer said that the concern was that once the customers left the
building, they would be "wandering�� thraugh ihe neighborhood. He said
that the businesses in the area were concerned about the resulting
refuse and vandalism. He felt the Disco Center would be better if it
were located on the main high�vay instead of back in the industrial
area.
Chairperson Harris said that in the Zoning Code under Section 205.101
Section B, C2 General Business and CZS General Shopping Areas the
particular type of commercial recreation is in the accepted use without
a Special Use Permit. He said that the Disco Center was being proposed
for an Industrial Area. He said that it was also a permitted use
of Section 205.131 under Section �,3 rvith a Special Use Permit. Ae
indicated to the Commission that it tivas allowed in two places, one
with a 5pecial, IIse Permit and one place without. He said it was before
the Commission because the district was zoned M2.
YLANNiNG COMM15SlUlv C7:�1:1'11VG - Arti1L iy� iYfO rage �
Chairperson Harris said that the total Section 23 public Dances of
the Code would have to be complied vrith. He explained that the Section
laid out specifications for the applicant, explans the qualifications,
the fee that would have to be paid, and'the details of the posting
of the permit. He said it was also stated in the Code that the person
to �hom the permit was to be issued would be held responsible for the
manner and conduct of said dance, He said that a police officerls
must be present at all times while public dancing was being held.
Chairperson Harris said that Section 801 of the Code dealt with the
Curfew laws. He said that the curfew for people under the age 18 was
9:3� P.M. Mr. Harris indicated that he was merely pointing out the
law for Mr. Rozmatt�s information.
Ms. Suhrbier asked Mr, Storla what time the Junior High Disco �vas
over.
Mr. Storla said that it ran until 10:00 P.M, However, he sai.d that
since it was Junior High aged teens, none of them drove and were all
picked up by parents.
Mr. Storla �vas still concerned about the ��fee�� that was mentioned
in Item #6 of the memorandum received from the Fridley Police
Department.
Mr. Boardman said that it was felt that some compensation should be
made to the City due to the increase police activity in the area due
to the operation of the Disco Center.
Mr. Rozman said it tivas not known that the additional police
activity �rould be needed.
Mr. Boardman indicated that it i�asn't sure it would happen but if it
did require additional police activity then the City should be
compensated. He said that there had to be some correlation bet�veen
Mr. .Rozman�s establishment and the police force.
Mr. Rozman didn't feel that the amount stated by the Police Department
was a fair dollar figure, Iie said that no other operations rvere charged
$125 an hour extra for possible increase in police activity.
Mr. Rozman said that in the
hasn't been that much of an
from the teen center.
Eagan operation it has proven that there
increase in the police activity resulting
Mr. Carlson wanted to know whg Mr. Rozman didn�t put the establishment
in one of the commercial areas in Fridley. He said that the businesses
weren't opposed to the concept of the Disco Center, only to the location
that Mr, Rozman wants to put it. He said that that type of operation
did not belong in an industrial area,
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Mr. Rozman said that the reason he liked the particular area was because
it was by itself. fIe said it wasn�t around any residential areas and
it wouldn't interfere with any of the businesses because it tivould only
be in operation in the evening when the other businesses would be closed.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Suhrbier, to close the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 8:48 P.M�
Mr. Langenfeld pointed ou� the the Commission was considering
a Special Use Permit and not a Rezoning. He said that in considering
the Special Use Permit he said that the Commission could exercise
control by various stipulations. He also v�anted to-know where the
teen-a�ers of Fridley tivere presently at. He said that since the area
was already a designated area, perhaps it would be best to leave the
area alone and keep it entirely for its designated purpose.
Ms. Schnabel said that she felt there was indeed a need for that
type of recreation for the teen-agers in Fridley. She suggested that
the maximum age for the Disco Center be 17 rather than 19 to help
alleviate the possibility of drinking violations. She was concerned
about the hours of operation that was being proposed vrith relationship
to the Curfew laws in the City of Fridley.
Ms. Schnabel said that her main concern was that the area was designated
as an industrial area and she felt that the Disco Center tivould be
better for a comnercial area. She said that vandalism would definitely
be a problem. She said that the other property ovmers would have to
increase their security thus adding an additional financial burden on
the business olvners. She a].so had a concern regarding the traffic
safety. She said that there could be up to 200 cars at the establishment
with the young people driving them. She said she was concerned about
the railroad tracks and East River Road. She was also concerned about
that number of cars being in that industrial area at that time of
night.
Ms. Sc?uiabel said that she felt the Disco Center was a worthwhile
facility to provide for t�at age group, however she did not feel it
would be worthwhile for that particular area.
Chairperson Aarris said that he felt that it tivas a good concept and
was probably needed in the City of Fridley� ho�ever he questioned the
advisability of putting the DiSco Center in the industrail location.
MOTION BY Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mre Oquist, that the Planning
Commission recommend deniaZ of the request for Special Use Permit�
SP #78-05� by Bennie Rozman: Per Fridley City Code� Section 205.�3�r
3,a,3, to allol•r the construction of a recreational use building on the
North 300 feet of the South 1105 feet of the East half of the Northeast
Quarter of the Southeast Quarter of Section 3, the same being
8031 Beech Street NE.
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Ms. Schnabel said that her reason of recommending denial was based on
the many stated concerns, -She said that she was concerned about the
health, safety, and welfare of the adjacent property owners and
particularly the safety and welfare of the prospective customers that
wouid be using the particular facility in that area. She said she
vras not opposed to a Disco Genter, but she was opposed to it_going
in o t e particular location. She said that it was not a compatible
use with the rest of the surrounding properties,
IIPON A VOICE VOT�, Mr. Oquist, Ms. Schnabel, Mr. Langenfeld voting
�ye; Mr. Storla and Ms. Suhrbier voting nay; Mr. Harris abstaining,
the motion carried.
Chairperson Harris indicated that he abstained his vote because he
was an affected property owner.
Mr. Rozman thanked the t�^�o commission members that voted in his favor.
Ae said that he felt very sorry for the people that wanted the
Disco denied. He.said that th�y �vere denying something that vras
really needed. He felt it was time to quit saying that teens were
all bad. He said that the teens today are the citizens of tomorro�v.
He felt that ihe problems with the society �vas more with the parents
than with the teens.
Mr. Oquist said that the members of the Commission DID NOT deny the
disco center. They denied the request because of where Mr. I�ozman
wanted that disco located. He indicated that there were problems
with many of the teens today and that vras apparent in any school
parking lot a person would want to observe. He said that because the
members of the Commission �vere concerned citizens that they would
prefer to see the Disco Center located at a more accessible and better
controlled Commercial site.
j.. PUBLIC HEARING: RF..ZONING REOUEST, ZOA 8-01�, CITY OF FRIDLEY:
TO ESTABLISH A NEl'� ZOPiING DISTRICT� S- SP CIAL ZONIPdG DISTRICT)
AND TO REZONE THE FOLLOI'dING PROPERTY TO THIS DISTRICT: BLOCKS
5,6,7 & 8, HYDE PARK ADDITION FROM R-2 (TVJO FAMILY D'�"JELLING AREAS)
TO S-1; AND BLOCKS 9�10�24 & 2j� HYDE PARK� FROM R-3 (GF,NERAL
MULTIPLE FAMILY D1'IEI,LING AREAS) TO S-1; AND BLOCKS 11�12�21�22,
25�26�27 & 28� HYDE PARK� FROM C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS) TO
S-1; AND BLOGKS 1& 2� CITY VIE4V ADAITION� FROM C-2 (GENERAI,
BUSINESS AREAS) TO 5-1, GLNERALLY LOCATED FROM 57th PLI�CE NE T0
61ST AVLTIUE NE; AND UNIVERSITY AVENUE TO MAIN STREET.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms, Schnabel, to open the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carri:ed
unanimously. The Public Hearing �vas opened at 9:04 P,M.
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Mr. Boardman said that the Hyde Park area has had a number of
specific problems in the past. He said that hardships �vere put.
on the residential homes in the area when 1/3 of the area was
rezoned to Commercial in 1969. He said that the residential homes
were classified as non-conforming use.. He said that a resident group
v�anted to knorr vrhat could be done to correct the problem. He said
that tvro meetings v�ere held with the residents in the area and at
tho�e meetin�s the residents chose a 16 member neighborhood council.
He said that six meetings'tirere held with the neighborhood council
at �vhich they decided upon the Ordinance that the Commission had
before them.
Mr. Boardman said that the Hyde P ark area was a unique situation.
He said it r�as decided upon to eall the area a Special Zoning district.
He said that the neighborhood council wanted the zoning set up so
that people ��rould be able to utilize their existing facilities and if
they ti��ere over 50% destroyed, they �vould be allowed to rebuild to their
present code restrictions. He said that the neighborhood generally
wanted to be reclassified as a single-family area. They wanted to
retain the characteristics of a single-family area. He said that
further multiple d�velling developments �vould be restricted however the
present multiple and commercial property owners �vould be allot�red to
maintain their establishments. He said that because.of the conditions
of that type of zoning they had to go to a Special Zoning district.
Mr. Boardman read through the special features of the Ordinance,
F.e explained several points of'the Ordinance as he read through them.
Mr. Robert Young of 5807 3rd Street NE said that it was dependent on
the rezoning of the area as to what type of street was put in on
Third Street. He said that he rvas presently Commercial but if that
area tivas rezoned to S-1 he didn't feel they should have to pay for
the commercial street.
Mr..Boardman said thai it would be a decision that.City Council would
have to handle.
Chairperson Harris said that there was definitely a difference between
a residential street and a commercial s�reet. He said that the
commercial streets �vere nine-ton streets and the residential streets
tivere four-ton streets. He said that it would be a determination that
would have to be made by the City Council.
Mr. 3oardman said that there would be no street improvements started
before the zoning 1��as determined. He said that any measuring that was
te,king place r�as determining the property lines, `
Mr. Boardman explained that the type of street that ti�tould go into a
particular area would be determined by the City Council. He said that
with the S-1 District� there tivould be no more expansion of businesses
in the area. He said that the existing businesses ivould be allowed to
remain. He said that it �vould have to be determined at that time if
the existing businesses would put a load on a residential street. He
said if it was determined Ehat the businesses would put a load on a
residential street� then the street vrould be made a commercial street.
Mr, Boardman again said that it would �e � City Ccuncil decision.
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Mr. Ron McClain of 600� Main.Street NE said that he had already
attended an assessment meeting at City Hall. He said that his
assessment for a Commercial Street would be approximately {C28,61 and
the residential streets vrould be approximately $8.61.
Ms. Gabel saidthat it was the street improvement project hearing�
She said that the figures that Mr. McClain had were approximate costs.
Mr, Boardman said this'; was not the assessment hearing. He said
that everyone mould be aware of the fact when the assessment public
hearing vrould be held.
Mr. L, A. Muggli of RR #2, North Branch, MN, wanted to know who the
rezoning of the Hyde Park area vras requested by. He said that no
individual should have to go out of their way to find out who made a
certain request.
Mr. Muggli said that in most of the discussion that he had heard so
far the term �'resident" was freely used, Ae said that the term
�'property owner" should be used. Any rezoning or street improvemettts
or anything else was the concern of the property owners and not the
residents that lived in the buildings.
Chairperson Harris said that a petition r�as submitted to City Hall
requesting the rezoning of certain areas,
Mr. Muggli pointed out that at the time the area was zoned commercial,
the property owners were not informed that they would be considered
non-conforming uses.
Mr. Muggli �vanted to know if the Special Zoning would prevent a
property o�vner from recourse if he vrould �vant to build on a piece of
property that �vas formally zoned commerciai, but with the rezoning
would be made residential.
Chairperson Harris said that property owners would never lose that
right to recourse.
Mr. Muggli wanted to know if the city ordinance said that a person
could not build on a 4o foot lot.
Chairperson Harris said that it was a City policy.
Mr. Muggli indicated that the City was then preventing someone from
doing something rrith a piece of property that they owned.
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Mr. Mu��li said that he owned a 40 foot lot which was a corner lot.
He said that he isn't permitted to do anything vrith that lot, but
that he would be assessed for street imorovements for that lot, He
said that he pays taxes on that lot but he still can't do anything with
the lot. He didn't like the idea that the City officials were telling
him that he can't build on that piece of property, but he has to pay
every time the City offic�als decide to do something vrith the property
or the area. He wanted to know if there �as a solution.
'Chairperson Harris said that at any time, a citizen had the option to
appeal any ruling made by'the City of Fridley.
Mr. Boardman said that all the notices for Public Hearings are always
sent to the property owners and not to the residents.
Ms. Gabel said that in terms of the rezoning, no one was asking for
anything special. She said they merely v�anted to protect and preserve
their property, She said that many people were living in over-
cror�ded conditions because they can�t afford to move out of the area
and they can't add-on because they are considered non-conforming use
and it tvas not permitted,
Ms. Gabel pointed out that everyone that served on the neighborhood
committee ti�rere residents of the area and property otivners.
Ms. Gabel indicated that there �vere 200 dwellings in the Hyde Park
area that tivere used as residential an@ there mas three businesses
plus Northvrestern Bell. She said that she tivas speaking in favor
of the rezoning.
Ms. Calquire of 5780-2� Street NE said that she tivas in favor o£ the
rezoning, She vranted to know about the use of the property that was
orrned by Burlington on the 1'dest side of Main Street.
Mr. Boardman said that the City had a letter from the Superintendent
of Burlington on the rreed problem that has existed on that property.
Tne Superintendent �aid that anyone rrho had problems rrith that property
should call him directly. He said that they rrere conscious of the tiveed
problem.
Ms. Calquire said that she �ralked through that area every day and r�as
continually surprised by the conditions of the area. She said she
couldn't understand �vhy the residents allov�ed the condition to continue.
She felt that there should be more pride on the part of the residsnts
or there should be some motivation from City Hall to get that area
cleaned up and kept cleaned up. _
Chairperson Harris said that �vas vrhat the �rhole thing c✓as about. He
said that l�aa rrhy they were at City Hall tY�at night - to clean up the
Ayde Park area.
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Mr, Oquist indicated that the residents should work �vith and through
the neighborhood committee,
Ms, Cala�ire wanted to know what could be done about a parcel of land
located at the intersection of 2nd Street, 2�- Street and the part of
57E Street that joins the two.
Chairperson Harris said that any improvements on that piece of land
would have to be requested by the adjacent land owners; however, he
said that Staff could contact those land owners.
Mr. Boardman said that a part of that intersection was included in the
street imrpovement plan for the area. He said that he would look into
the possibilities of that piece of land.
Ms, Galquire said that she �vasn�t interested in a vacation, but she
felt that perhaps the City of Fridley could clean up that land and
improve on tke �'nature�� that ��as already present there.
Mr. Boardman said that he would look into the matter.
Mr. Trocke said that he was in favor of ihe rezoning and the planned
improvements for the area, He said that the way the ordinance was
set up� no one in the Hyde Park area tivould be hurt, He said that the
present landlords ��ould be permitted to rebuild their multiple dwellings
should th.ey be destroyed; he said that the commercial owners would be
permitted to rebuild their establishments should they be destroyed. He
said that the Committee was basically trying to raake the area a
residential neighborhood and since the majority of the dwellings rrere
residential, he felt it should be rezoned.
Mr. Ben F. Carman of 5955-2z Street NE said that he was in favor of
rezoning the area to residential.
Mr. John Bachand of 5945 2xid Street NE spoke in favor of the rezonin;.
He said that he a7.so v�anted to see Burlington clean up their part of
the area. He said that the residents in the neighborhood are
continually having to clean up their yards of tumble iveeds and litter.
Ms. Peggy Netirland of 5841-2� Street NE said that she rrorked on the
committee and was very much in favor of the rezoning. Siie said that
everything had been discussed at length and many compromises had to
be made. Hoc�ever, she felt it vras a worthwhile project and she really
���anted to see the rezoning take place.
A person in the audience said that he owned a vacant lot in the Hyde
Parls area. He �vanted to kno�v v�hat he could put on that lot.
Mr. Boardmans said that the only allowable use would be a sittgle
family dvrelling.
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Mr. Langenfeld said that it was really nice to see the citizens group
together, and with the City, meet and approach a common �oal - to make
the Hyde Park area a better place in �vhich to live. He indicated that
norr they tiiere all joined together, the citizens shouldn�t let the City
forget that they exist.
Ms. Schnabel said that there had been a lot of give and take done among
the property o��mers and residents, who have been involved in the meetings
of the neighborhood group, She felt that everyone had vrorked hard
to come up vrith the plan that had been presented. She.complimented
them on the struggles they have had. She said they had demonstrated
a very valuable thing for the Community
Mr. Frank Gabrelcek felt that property zoned commercial were much more
valuable than residential properties. He ti�ras not in favor of the
rezoning.
A person from the audience suggested that the roeople presently ovming
vacant lots could have the decision as to whether they kept the lots
commercial or rezoned them to residential.
Mr. Boardman said that the purpose of the rezoning was to stablize the
area and to start getting a reUidential quality into the area.
Ms. Theresa Abitz of 216-57th Place NE said that she wanted to be
included in the area to be rezoned.
Mr. Boardman said that Ms. Abitz�s problems with her property svere
realized by City Hall. However he said that it was more logical io
leave that particular property as commercial zoning.
Chairper.son Harris suggested that Staff give the request by Ms. Abitz
some close consideration.
Ms. Abitz said that she vranted to sell her house, She said she would
have a buyer if the land ti�ras zoned residential. She said that no one
was interested in her house as long as it tvas zoned commercial,
Ms. Schnabel said that the only thing that tivas happening on the property
as commercial was that the homes on the lots were deteriorating, She
said that if the lot was zoned residential, at least the existing
structure could be upgraded.
Mr. Joseph Zizalc of 5'7gt-2� Street NE wanted to know �vhy curbings
were being put into the area.
Chairperson Harris said that it was a policy of the City of Fridley
that all the streets in Fridley tivould be upgraded vrith curbs and gutters.
He said that the policy was adopted fifteen years ago.
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MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Storla, to close the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all .voting aye, the motion carried
unaniraously. The Public Hearing was cl osed at 10;37 P�M.
Chairperson Harris said that under Section 205.228 Landscapin�,
it'em 2 A should have the word ��sodd nl g�� changed o�'grass��.
Mr. Boardman said that he would make that change.
Chairperson Harris complimented staff on their indulgence in working
with the neighborhood. Ae said he tivould like to see that type of
cooperation spread out through the whole City of Fridley.
Mr. Oquist said that the Committee did an excellent job. He reminded
that Gommittee to keep very active and pramote their neighborhood,
Ms. Schnabel said that she �vas still concerned about Ms. Abitz's
properiy. She said that she had mixed feelings on the subject. She
said that spot rezonings should not be encouraged. However, she felt
that the property orrner was being penalized in the sale of her property.
She also said that if the adjacent property vaas deteriorating
that perhaps by changing it to a residential zoning would enable them
to update the property because they would be qualified to receive funding.
Ms. Schnabel said that if the zoning wasn't changed and someone
wanted to buy the property to develop as residential� financing v�ould
be very difficult to obtain.
Mr. Boardman said that it would be very hard to promote residential
development on ihat land because of its location.
Ms. Schnabel said that Commercial developers rrould be very limited as
to what could be put on that piece of property because of the size
of 'the garcel of land.
Mr;.Boardman said that he v�as concerned about the property o�vner
however the total development of the property should also be
considered, He said it had to be decided whether to promote commercial
development or residential.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Suhrbier, that the Planning
Commission recommend approval of the Rezoning Request, ZOA #78-04,
city of Fridley: To establish a new Zoning District, S-1 (Special
Zoning District) and to rezone the follow�rin� property to this district:
Blocks 5,6,7 & 8 Hyde park Addition from R-2 (t�vo family dwelling
areas) to S-1;
Blocks 9,10,24 & 23, Hyde Park, from R-3 (general multipl.e family
d�velling areas) to S-1 ;
Blocks 11, 12, 21, 22, Z5, 26, 27 & 28, Hyde Park, from C-2 (ge�ieral
business areas) to S-1; and
Blocks 1& 2� City View Addition, from C-2 (general business areas)
to S-1,
�enerally located from 57th Place NE to 61st Avenue N�, and Univer�ity
1lvenue to Main Street.
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Mr. Langenfeld said that he was fully au�are of the problem regarding
Ms. hbitz'� property but he felt that it could be the start of a
movement toi�ard� s�ot rezoning and he wasn't in a;reement ivith that
concept.
Ms. 5chnabel said that the City Council could be alerted of the problems
of the lots and perhaps they may have some solution that the Planning
Commission had not thought of.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
Mr, Boardman said that Mr. Ray Leek v�as the City Staff representative
to the Hyde Park area. •
4.
EXCEPT TFIOSE PI�CES PLATT�D AS
BATTERSON ADDITION� SUBJECT TO
6400 SLOCK ON THE PdEST SIDE OF
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JOHNSON'S RIVER LAND ADDITCON AND
ROAD EAS�'�fENTS� LOCATED Ird THE
RIVERVIE7J TERRACE NE.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel� to open the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Aearing was opened at 11:11 p�M.
Mr. Boardman said that the proposal cras for the development of four
residentiaZ lots. He said that three of lots were being proposed
for duplex lots and the fourth �ot was the existent Judge Johnson�s
property along the river bank. `He said that the existing property
�vas zoned R-3 and the 1ot sizes being proposed rrould meet the code
requirements. Mr. Harrier tivould provide private easement for access
into the area. Mr. Boardman said that he would also provide private
sanitary se+ner systems.
Mr. Boardman said that the City of Fridley �rould Nant certain conditians
on the property as laid out tivith the private roadrJay and private seurer
systems. He said that the City in no vray would take over the maintenance
of the private access unless it was developed to City Code. Also he
said that the cleaning of the lift stations vrould have to be a private
operation also. Ae indicated that lift stations would have to be
provided.
t4r. Boardman said that the area would fall in the critical flood areas
of the Code and all the setbacks would have to be 1OQ feet.
Chairperson Harris wanted to knoH if the existing structure could remain
at its present location.
Mr. Harri�r said that the garage �vould have to be moved. He said that
most likely it would be taken dov�n and a ne�a garage Mould be added to
the existing house.
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Chairperson I3arris asked vrho r�ould maintain the access into the
property.
Mr. Harrier said it would be the responsibility of the residents
in the development.
Mr. Boardman said that it tivould have to be recorded as part of the
deed requirements.
Chairperson Harris asked vrho ti�rould maintain the lift stations.
Mr. Harrier said that each individual duplex vaould have an
ejection pump. •
Mr. Boardman said that it would have to be written in the deed
requirements that it v�ould be the responsibility of the otimers
for the operation of the lift station, He said there v�ould have
to be equal responsibility of all the people living in that
development,
Chairperson Harris said that there rrould kcave to be some vehicle or
�vay of binding all the properties together to make them collectively
responsible for the maintenance of the li£t station and the maintenance
of the access roadNay.
l7r. Harrier said that those responsibilities would be i��ritten into the
purchase agreements of all the property olvners in the development.
Chairperson.Harris said that it vrould have to he in the deeds so that
it t��ould be picked up by the Title Search�. He said that nc V�ay t��ould
the City take over that maintenance,
Mr. Harrier explained the complete lay-out of the area to the
Planning Commission.
Ms. Schnabel asked if it ��as possible for all the lots to meet the
critical flood plai.n 10Q foot setback requirements.
Mx., Boardman said that he would be able to maintain the required
setbacks.
MOTION by Mr. vangenfeld, seconded by Mr, Oquist, to close the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, ali voting aye; the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 11:30 P,M�
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PLANNING COMMISSIDN MEETING - APRIL 19, 1978 Pa�e t$ .
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Storla, that the Planning
Commission recommend approval of the consideration of a proposed
preliminary plat, P.S. ��78-02, Harrier's First Addition, by
W. J. Harrier, Jr.: being a replat of Lot 25, Revised Auditor�s
Subdivision No. 23, except those pieces platted as Johnson�s River Lane
Addition and Batterson Addition, subject to road easements, located
in the 6400 Block on the l�est side of Riverview Terrace NE with the
stipulation that the covenant of deed will require reference to the
maintenance of the road and the maintenance and operation of lift
station be the reaponsibility of the property owners of Lots 2,3 & 4
and that all the necessary utility and drainage easements be included
in the final plat.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
5. PUBLIC H�ARIPdG: CONSIDERATION �F A PRF.T.TMTNflRV nrmm � c �oa_nz
xeplaL or tne Nortnvrest �uadrant of Main Street and Osborne Road.
(See Public Hearing notice for complete legal description).
MOTION by Ms, Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to open the Public
Hearing, IIpon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The public Hearing was opened at 11;3$ p,�,
Mr. Boardman explained that the property being discussed was Lot 2
of Block i of the East Ranch Estates Third Addition. He said that
there were some condition that City would like to have placed on the
plat if approved. He said that Lot 1 should be included as a portion
of Frank�s Nursery,
Mr. Boardman said that there was a sewer easement along 77th v�ay,
He said that it ran along the property line. Ae said that there was
also easement on both sides of the street right-of-vray. He said that
the easements should be indicated on the final plat.
Mr. Boardman said that the setiver servicing Lot 2 had to go through
Lot 3, so some easement would have to be indicated.
Chairperson Harris reminded the Commission members that there was also
a rezoning request that was tied to the replat.
Mr. Boardman pointed out on a draming exactly where the ingress and egress
would be for the proposed Bank.
Mr. Laing, Presideni of Marquette State Bank, showed the Commission the
proposed Bank plans, He indicated on the plan where they planned to
have drive�vays and horr the planned traffic flow would occur.
Mr. $oardman said that the only zoning that would be reguested to have
changed would be Lot 2.
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PLANNING COMMISSION MFETING - APRIL 19, 1978 PaFe 19
Mr. Boardman pointed out that the plating request vtas being made by
the Marquette State Bank for Mr. Bob Schroer. He said that it uras
Mx. Schroer's property and Lot 3 would remain under his ownership.
Mr, Laing said that the proposed bank would be considered a detached
facility. He said it N�ould be close to a full-service bank. He said
the only thing that they won't be able to do would be to close on loans,
Ae said that the plan that he �as showing indicated the maximum of their
needs.
Chairperson Harris said that at the present they were mostly concerned
with the egress and entrances of the bank.
MOTION by Ms Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to close the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously, The Public Hearing tivas closed at 11;52 P,M,
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning
Commission recommend approval on the consideration of a preliminary plat
P.S� #78-03� East Ranch Estates Third Addition� by Marquette State Bank:
Replat of the Northlvest 9uadrant of Main Street and Osborne Road �vith
the stipulations that Lot 1 be recor.ded as part of the plating fcr
Frank's Nursery; that the sanitary se�ver easement be shoti�m following
the North property line; and that a sewer easement be given across Lot 3
tivith acess to Lot 2.
[iPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting a;�e, the motion carried unanimously.
6. PUBLIC AEARINGo REZONING RE�UEST_ Z�A #78-�2_ RV MnRQTTFTTF. ST
t3AivK: H�GUN� '1'tlE LOT 2� BLOCK 1� OF TAE PROPOS�D PLAT� P,S. �}7$-03�
EAST RA13CA ESTf1TES THIRD ADDITION, FROM M-2 (HEAVY INDUSTRIAL AREAS)
TO C-2 (GENERAL BUSINESS AREAS) TO ALLOPJ THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
PR�PERTY FOR A COMMERCIAL BANK� I.00ATED AT 225 OSBORNE ROAU NE
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist, to open the Public
Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was opetted at 11;55 P.�.
Mr. Laing shotived the Commission the plan of the proposed bank. He said
it would look like a small version of a full-service bank. He said
that there would be three lobby tellers on the insi3e and at least two
drive-in tellers on the outside. He sai.d there would be approximately
four deske in the lobby area for customer services. He said that with
the exception of closing loans, they tivould function the same as a fu11-
service bank. . °
Chairperson Harris asked if they tivould have safe-deposit boxes located
ott the premises.
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Mr. Laing said that they wouldn't have safe-deposit boxes. He also
said they wouldn�t be able to disperse loan proceeds on the premises.
Mr. Laing said that they vranted to bring the character of the bank
building located at 52nd & Central out to the nev� location. He said
that the building would either be a wood/stone exterior or a stucco
exterior. He said it would definitely be an attractive addition to the
community.
Chairperson Harris asked if there would be problems �vith the particular
intersection of Commerce Lane (Main Street) and Osborne Road.
Mr. Boardman said that they didn't initially foresee any major problems.
Ms. Schnabel said that she tivas somerahat concerned about customers
exiting from the bank at that point because of the speed that cars
turn onto Commerce Lane. She said that because of the �vay the street
was set up, it was quite easy for cars to accelerate as they turn the ,
corner.
Mr. Boardman said there was enough setback and he didn't feel there
would be a lot of problems exiting at that point.
Chairperson Harris asked if Mr. Laing Nas aware of the requirements
of the St. Paul 6Vater lUorks.
Mr. Laing said that they were ativare of the requirements. He said
that they vreren't planning on generating that much traffic. He said
that the bank would have limited capabilities.
MOTION by I�ir. Langenfeld, seconded by t�is. Suhrbier, to close the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 12:09 P.M.
Mr. Langenfeld said that it seemed that it rvas the trend of the area
to show grot�th. He said that the City should be cautioned to the fact
that they did not want another 53rd & Central established at that point.
MOTION by Mr, Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Suhrbier, that the Planning
Commission recommend approval of the Rezoning Request� ZOA #78-02, by
Marquette State Bank: Rezone the Lot 2, Block 1, of the Proposed Plat,
P.S. #78-03, East Ranch Estates Third Addition, from M-2 (heavy
industrial areas) to C-2 (general business areas) to allo�v the development
of the property for a Commercial Bank, located at 225 Osborne Road NE.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
7.
(GENERAL OFFIC� �1ND LIMITED BUSINESS). LOT 1� BLOCK 1� HILLIVIND
ADDITION� TO ALLOt'! A MODII, HOME TO BE IISED AS A SAI,ES OFFIC�� THE
SAME BEING 941 HILLIVIND ROAD NE
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MOTION by Mr. Oquist, seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to open the Public
Iiearing. Upon a voice vote� all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing lvas opened at 12:13 P�M.
Mr. Boardman said that the property was Zocated north of the Real
Estate 10 building on Hillwind Road. Ne said that the proposed operation
would be similar to the operation on University Avenue for Capp Homes.
Mr. Boardman said that in looking at the plan, there vrere things that
would have to be changed, He said that Mr. Burandt planned to use
the existing �lJausau"home. He said that the manner in which the drive
way and parking vtas indicated v�ould have to' be worked on so that it
would meet all the codes,
Mr. Boardman said that the property was presently zoned R-3 and it had
to be re2oned in order to have a real estate office located at that site.
Mr. Burandt said that he purchased the building for a real estate office.
He said it tivould be used by Lampert Homes.
Mr. Burandt said that he had tried to buy some adjoining land but the
property otivner v�as not interested in selling
Ms. Schnabel showed concern about the elevation of the land. She felt
that possibly Mr. Burandt ti��ould have to construct some type of retaining
�vall.
t4r. Burandt said that the existing garage area of the house would be
used as offices.
Chairperson Harris asked if the driverray of the proposed real estate
office could be located on the other side of the property than the plans
indicated.
Mr. Burdandt said that there tivas an equal amount of room on both sides.
Mr. Boardman felt it would be better to have the driveway to the parking
area enter into the property on the North side and have parking in *he
rear area. He some screening could be utilized betiveen the driveway and
the residential structure.
Mr� Oquist said that he felt the dr.ivetiva;� i��ould be better located on the
South side of the property, next to the Rea1 Estate 10 establishment..
Mr. Boardman said that he tivould �mant to look at the property again before
deciding �vhere exactly the driveway should be locaied.
Mr. Burandt said that he preferred to have the drivevray on the South but
he �vould agree to do whatever the Staff decided �vould be best.
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Chairperson Harris asked how wide the lot �vas.
Mr. Burandt said that the survey he had.indicated that the.lot vras
87.90 feet.
Mr. Boardman said that a sketch of the site showed that there would be
approximately 25 feet on the North side of the building and 12 feet on
the South side of the buildin�. He felt that the drivev�ay should be
put in on the North side of the property.
Chairperson Harris said that due to that fact� the possibility of having
the drivevray located to the North of the property and using proper
screening should be the �vay to go.
Mr. Boardman,read the requirements for the use of screening as district �
separations. He said that a 100% screening fence would have to be
installed that vrould be setback from the front of the house, back along the
property line.
Mr. Burant didn't feel it rrould look very nice, but agreed he would do
as indicated.
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, to close the
Public Hearing. Upon a voice vote, a21 voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing was closed at 12:39 A.M�
MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Ms. Suhrbier� that tr.e Planning
Commission recommend app�oval of the rezoning request, ZOA #78-03, by
Theodore Burandt: Rezone from R-3 (general multiple family dti�tellings)
to CR-i (general office and limited business)� Lot 1, Block 1,
Hillv�ind Addition, to allotv a model home to be used as a sales office,
the same being 941 Hi11��aind Road NE tivith the stipulations that
fencing be put on the North side starting at the front of the house
and that the drive�ray be moved to the North side of the property
vrith rear yard parking (providing there is more room measured on that
s3de of the propertyl
IIPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
$. RECEIV� PARKS & R�'CREATION COMMISSIQN T4INUTES: MARCH 27, 1978
MOTION by Ms. Suhrbier� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, that the Planning
Comnission receive the March 27� 1978� Parks & Recreatzon Commission
minutes. IIpon a voice vote� all voting aye� the motio.n carried
unanimausly. The minutes ivere received at 12:41� A.M.
9. RECEIVE HUMAN RFSOURCES CONIMISSION PIINUTES: IlPRIL 6, 1978
MOTION by Mr. Storla� seconded by Mr. Oquist� that the Planning
Commission receive the April 6� 1978, minutes of the Human Resources
Commission.
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a. Congregate Dining
Mr, Storla said that the members of the Auman Resources Commission
were extending an invitation to the Planning Commission to appoint
someone from the Planning Commission to be on the Congregate Dining
Gommittee. He said that April 26, t978 vrould be the first meeting
of the Committee.
Mr. Oquist suggested that Mr. Storla represent the Planning Commission.
Chairperson Harris asked that Mr. Storla represent the Planning
Commission on the Congregate Dining Committee. •
Mr. Storla said that he erould, Ae said that he was pr�sently a
representative for the Human Resources Gommission� but that he tvould
resign because there rras another member of the IIuman Resources
Commission that v�anted to serve on the Congregate Dining Committee.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all noting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
The minutes were receivea at 12:�.8 A.M.
10. RECETVE APPEALS C0P4MISSION MINUTES: APRIL 11, 1978
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Qquist, to receive the Appeals
Commission minutes of April 11, 1978.
Ms. Schnabel said that the first sentence� of the last paragraph on Page 5
should be clarified. 5he said that at the end of the sentence the �ords,
"due to the proximity of the garage on the property on the Norih" should be
added.
Ms. Schnabel said that the concern alas that the house ��as two feet from
the lot line and the property adjacent to it had a garage that Gvas also
close to the Zot line. She said that the Commission members vrere concerned
in case of fire that it could spread to the house and the new addition
which tivere to be bedrooms and vJindovrs vrould be required for exits.
Ms. Schnabel said that there had been no election of officers because
there were not enough people present at the meeting.
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
The minutes were received at 12:50 A.M,
11. ELECTION OF VICE CHAIR.P�RSON
MOTION by Mr. Storla, seconded by Ms. Schnahel, to nominate Mr. Langer.feld
for Vice- Chairperson of the Planning Commission. After calling ior more
nominations, Mr, Harris declared the nominations closed. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
PLANNING CONIMISSION MrFTING - APRIL 19, 1978 Pa�e 24
12. CONTI2dU�D� DISCUSSION ON ENPRGY COMMISSION
MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to table the
discussion on the �nergy Commission. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye�
the motion carried unanimously.
13. OTHER BUSINESS:
Airport Proposal - Mr. Langenfeld
Mr. Langenfeld said that Ms. Sporre had given the report and he
had taken a few notes. He read to the Commission items 1,2 & 3 of
Resolution �39-t97�, dated 12/19/77, He also read the general comments
that had come from that presentation. �
Mr. Langenfeld submitted his presentation to the Planning Commission
to be made part of the minutes.
Mr. Oquist said that he was also at the meeting. Iie said that
basically t�ro topics vaere discussed:
a) The Airport �xpansion
b) The National Guard Heliport
Mr. Oquist explained that the National Guard Heliport had to get
out of Hollman Field in St. Paul because the Federal Government vion't
approve Federal Dollars to do needed construction i�rork at Hollman
Field because the Field is located in the Flood Plain. He said
that there erere some Federal Legislators that were vaorking with
the Committee and State Legislators to get some Pederal dollars so
that they v�on�t hane to get out of Hollman Field.
Ms. Schnabel said she had the understanding that the Metropolitan
Council had decided not to expand the Anoka County Airport.
Mr. Oquist said that the Metropolitan Council decided that they
didn't need another m�jor airport. He said thai they �vere no�v
proposing to expand the Anoka Airport to an intermediate airport.
ADJQURNMEPdT
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Storla� to adjourn
197$ Planning Commission meeting, Upon a voice vote, all
Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at 1:06
Respectfully submitted
.������
Marylee Carhill
Recording Secretary
the April 1g,
voting aye�
A.M.
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COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COI�SISSION
MEETING
APRIL 11, 1978
M&MBERS PRESENT: Aerman Bergman (arr. 7:40 p.m.), LeRoy Oquist, Connie Modig,
A1 Gabel
I�MBERS ABSENT: Kenneth Vos
OTHERS PRESENT: Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
Dennis Erno, Minnesota Department of Revenue
CALL TO ORDER:
Vice-Chairperson Oquist called the meeting to order at 7:35 p.m.
APPROVAL OF MARCH 14, 1978 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MLNUTES:
MOTION by A1 Gabel, seconded by Connie Modig, to approve the March 14, 1978,
Community Development Commission minutes as written. Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye, the motion.carried unanimously.
1. TAX ABATEMENT PROCEDURE AND GENERAL STATE TAX STRUCTURE:
At the last Coum�ission meeting, a motion was made to hzive Staff arrange to
have a guest speaker at the April meeting to discuss the present tax system
and how it worked. Mr. Erno was at the meeting to discuss this subject.
Mr. Boardmanstated that he thought the main thing the Commiission was looking
at was what kind of tax modifications they could recommend to their state
legislators, etc., and in arder to start doing that, they had to understand
the State of Minnesota's tax structure.
Mr. Erno stated that as residents of the State of Minnesota, they had to
pay three types of taxes: sales tax, inc w�e tax, and property tax.
Minnesota paid the 36th lowest sales tax per person in the nation; Minnesota
paid the 24th lowest property tax per person in the nation, °and Minnesota
paid about the 4th highest income tax per person in the nation. In some
income categories, Minnesota was No. 1. In the $10,000-16,000 category,
Minnesota was No. 1. As the earnings increased, the ranking became less;
for example, in the $50,000 category, Minnesota ranked about llth in
the nation. When adding all the three taxes together, Minnesoea paid about
the 8th highest amount of taxes in the states. Some states higher than
Minnesota were New York, California, Illinois, and Massachusetts. Wisconsin
was competitive with Minnesota, Looking at what Minnesota paid per person
in property tax, Minnesota was about 5% below the national average. It had
not always been that way. Ten years ago, Minnesotans paid the Sth highest
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 2
property tax in the nation per persan. In income tax, Minnesotans paid
20th highest per person, and there was no sales tax. By looking at
those figures, what had happened was the substitution of income tax
dollars for property tax dollars and the addition of a sales tax. Since
1967, the State had collected no money from property taxes. It was truly
a local tax on local properties for local purposes.
Mr. Erno stated these figures were collected by the U.S. Department of
Commerce. They were generally published by the Tax Bureau's Association
and other associations in other states.
Mr. Erno stated that looking at the state budget today, about 6'S% of the
income tax and sales tax monies WQre turned back to the local cammunities
in one form or another, i.e., state aids, etc. The State had made a
definite co�itment towards keeping the property tax as low as possible
without stepping in and determining the types of services the citizens
needed. In 1967, the State made the first effort to Lower property taxes
in Minnesota. They had proposed a sales tax and there had been the home'-
stead credits. In 1971, there was another big tax bill that turned a lot
of money over to school districts, cities, and towns. However, property
taxes in 1972 declined about 11%. However, tte following year, they were
back up again at 15-20�> more than they had been the year before. So, in
the 1973 legislative session, people saw the levy limits. The Legislature
felt they wanted to see the money they were returning back to the local
communities result in lower or stable property taxes, and that was not
happening. Cities, towns, and school districts would use this money to
finance operations and then go on to more and more plateaus or frontiers
in terms of their spending budgets. That was why there was the levy limits
of today to contxol how much schools and cities should be spending.
Mr. Oquist stated he would like Mr. Erno to clarify the statement Mx. Erno
had made earlier about the state not getting anything from property taxes.
Mr. Erno stated that the only taxing jurisdictions that received money
from the property taxes were the city, county, school districts, and
special taxing districts, such as Metropolitan Council, watershed districts,
etc. Mr. Erno stated that the State set the rules for property taxes and
the reason it had to set the rules was because many property tax levies
were made across county boundaries, so the State had to act as a coordinator
or supervisor between counties, as school districts did not always lie
within county boundaries. There would be no need for the State's involve-
ment over the property tax system if all taxing districts ended at county
boundaries. It could then be controlled within the limits of the county
by the County Board.
Mr. Bergman asked that when Mr. Erno mentioned the effort to reduce properey
taxes, was Mr. Erno referring specifically to the recent thrust from
industry? There had been articles about industries planning or considering
moving out of the state. The reasons given were heavily taxes, referring
specifically to property taxes.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 4
Mr. Erno stated that, first, there were the Local Boards of Review, which
would be the City Council. These boards were responsible for reviewing
the original asseasments made each year by the local assessor. If people
had any complaints about their taxes, they could go to the local board.
If that board felt a person was right, they had the right to lower that
person's property tax. The next body to review was the County Board of
Equalization, which reviewed the entire assessments done in the county to
see if the cities were the same. They were responsible for equalizing
within the county boundaries and they could order increases. Finally,
came the State Board of Equalization. They had a staff of 16 real estate
appraisers who looked to see what was done in each county and made
reco�endations and ordered increases, if needed. Mr. Erno stated this
was just the market value and that was where the State had a lot of
control, a lot of power, and a lot of authority under the law to take
steps to make sure everyone was doing the same thing and following the
same rules in evaluating property.
Mr. Erno stated that many people assumed that when the market values of
their property went up, their taxes went up also. This was really not
true. If one property value increased, everyone else's property value
increased right along with it, so they should stay relatively the same,
paying the same total tax share as they had done before. What happened
was that the city budgets went up, resulting in higher taxes. By law,
every time the assessor raised the estimated market value of a property,
he had to send a notice to the property owner informing him of the raise
in property value, so the property owner could protest as explained earlier.
He stated that the city assessors were required to physically inspect every
property every four years.
Mr. Oquist asked why the tax was based on the fair market value of the
house? Services required had nothing to do with the house or the improve-
ments made; services dealt with the family who lived there and the
property that abutted the roads. He felt it was an unfair way of taxing.
He €elt the tax assessment should be based on the house plus the property
(the Fize of the lot). Why should people be penalized for improvements?
Taxes did not go down when a person removed an eyesore or blight from
their property. He stated that one of the things the Commission was after
was some kind of recommendation fram Fridley that would possibly change
this taxing philosophy. He felt people should pay their fair share
based on the services they required. •
Mr. Erno stated there were different philosophies of taxes and one of
them was the benefit. Under that philosophy of taxation, a person should
only p8y for the benefits he received. The property-oriented types of
benefits were the police protection, fire protection; and the more valuable
the property, the more police and fire protection needed. The types of
services the property did not benefit from were the schools and welfare
expenditures and finance aid. There was the presnmption that the more
valuable the property, the more wealth a person had. When a person went
into a home, for the first f�ve or six years, there was a very close
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COTII�ffSSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 5
relationship between that person's property vaLue and personal wealth.
But that changed quite drastically as time went on. Income might be
reduced because of retirement; disability, or inflation, and there .was
no longer that close correlation between property tax value and the amount
of taxes a person paid. One thing the states had been doing to overcome
this a little bit was the property tax relief programs--Minnesota's was
called the Circuit Breaker program, It mainly benefitted peogle earning
less than $20,000 a year.
Going back to the property values, Mr. Erno stated that the assessors
went out and valued the property. The way they got from that market
value to the assessed value was by multiplying that market value by
certain percentage figures,and the percentage figures they multiplied
that market value by were based on the type of property.
Listed below are the current formulas for arriving at assessed values of
property:
Co�ercial Single Family Farm
Assessed Value - 43% times
the market
yalue
22% times the
first $15,000 of
mkt. value; 367,
times the amount
over the first
$15,000 of mkt.
yalue
18% times first
$15,000 of mkt.
value; 31% times
the amount over
the first $15,000
of mkt. value
The state homestead credit was 45� of the tax bill up to $325.
Mr. Erno stated that taxes 3ust on the land were being considered at the
next legislative session,
Mr. Erno stated that after the assessor had determined the values of all
the properties and multiplied these percentages on each property value,
he then added all the assessed values of the total property. Then, came
the budget-setting process where the city, county, school districts, and
special districts figured out how many dollars they needed tooperate.
All these budget amounts were added together. So, the assessed property
values were divided into the total budget amount. This was the way they
arrived at the mill rate. The mill rate was the rate of Cax each person
had to pay on the value of the property he owned. This rate was applied
to the•assessed value of each individual property, and that resulted in
the amount of tax a person paid. The assessor had nothing to do with the
budget-setting process.
Mr. Erno stated that the State set levy limits so there was a percentage
that the budget could be increased. Levy limits seemed like a good idea
to begin with to put some type of control on Local government spending.
The State had been sending back more and more money every year to get
property taxes down or at Least stable, but the property taxes kept
increasing, so they came up with the Levy limit.
COMM[JNITY DEVELOPMENT C044fISSION MEETING, APRIL 11, 1978 - PAGE 6
Mr. Erno stated there were so many loopholes to the levy limits where
budgets could be increased more than the Yequired levy limit, such as
the cost of public employees' pensions and early retirement. Now, as
of last year, public employees' pensions were also within the levy limit.
The State closed a number of loopholes last year.
Mr. Oquist stated that it was too bad they could not get realistic and
practical about all of the kinds of taxes and have everybody pay a percentage
of their income right off the top.
Mr. Erno stated that, supposedly, the taxing system was a mechanism
for raising money to pay for the types of services the government
provided, but it reached a point where it became unsanageable. He felt
it was now reaching that point or approaching it. The taxing system was
used as a vehicle for directing social and moral behavior.
Mr. Oquist stated that some cou¢nunities were proposing that when a person
improved his property, he should not be "zapped" with a full tax increase
the following year. To him, that was not a solution. A person still had
to pay that full amount and would get "zapped" with percentages over the
next five years, with possible tax increases in each of those five years.
Ms. Modig stated she did not think people should be penalized for their
improvements. By adding anything to your home, it added to the assessed
value of that home. She did not like to see a tax based on the market
value of what could be gotten for that property. It made her think she
would not do anything more to improve her home, because the home was going
up in value anyway.
Mr. Erno stated that property taxes were definitely a disincentive for
people to want to improve their property.
Mr. Bergman stated that a city objective was to pramote an atmosphere
encouraging the maintenance or upgrading of neighborhoods. The thing
that was in conflict with that was penalizing someone by a high property
tax. The person should get a reward, not a penalty.
Mr. Erno stated that pm perty taxes did have some good features and one
of the good features was that no one could hide anything. The bad feature,
of course, was that it was a disincentive for improving property. What
could be doneY He listed the following things that could be done to change
atate legislation to allow tax relief: °
1. Delay assessment of the improvements for 5-10-15 years - just
not have assessor take it into consideration. State law could
be passed saying that the increase should not be taken into
consideration.
Disadvantage: It was subsidized by other property owners in
the conmunity.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COf43ISSI0N MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 7
2. Eliminate property tax altogether on homes. (This pioposal was
going to receive consideraeion next year and public hearings on
it this year.) Would tesult in sales tax increases or broaden
the base of the sales tax.
3. Just tax the land on its highest and best use.
Mr. Bergman's question was: What about the person with a
vacant lot?
Mr. Erno stated that, yes, that person would be penalized, but
land was a very limited resource in this nation. They had to
ask the questions: Is it the role of the government to encourage
the best utilization of that land? Can we afford to have non-
productive land today that was not being used for its highest
and best purpose?
Mr. Erno stated that the only true Cax relief (lower taxes) came from
cutting tha costs of government. What you were realiy talking about was
keeping taxes from increasing at a greater rate.
4. Expansion of Circuit Breaker Plan. Mr. Erno stated there had
always been talk about why the State did not just increase the
homestead credit. Mr. Erno stated that the State had looked at
it and said "no." Where would the money come from for homestead
credit? Sales? Why should they continue to increase sales tax
to take it from one person's pocket to turn around and give it back
to the same person? Why not give the relief to the people who
needed it the mostY One plan Mr. Erno thought they were con-
sidering was putting a limit to the property taxes a person paid--
reimbursing for everything over a certain amount no matter what
that person's income was. A lot was being done already to reduce
property tax.
Mr. Erno stated that, referring to the city objective Mr. Bergman had
etated earlier, if the city was going to encourage the improvement of
homes at the local level, they were going to shift the costs of local
services to some other categories of property, and there was some danger
in that.
5. Tax Increment Financing (existing Legislative law). Mr. Erno
stated that if the city truly had a blighted area, this was a
way of raising money to help that area. First, the boundaries
were drawn around that blighted area. Once this area was
identified, they would turn to the county auditor for the
assessed value of that property area. If they decided to
improve the area, a plan would have to be drawn up indicating
the amount of dollars needed to improve the area, and they
would have to do it through the use of bonds. The bonds were
then paid off as a result of revenues raised fr w� the increased
evaluation in that area,
COMMCINITY DEVELOPMENT COAAffSSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 8
Mr. Bergman stated that Fridley did have a blighted area and there was a
plan to improve it with grants. Talking about grant money and improving
the property, the question was: Cou1d the.homeowners in reality afford
increased taxes? He sCated that the Co�ission was pondering the question
of whether there was some way that there was redress against the property.
tax increase.
Mr. Erno stated that in that case, the answer was no. If the property
taxes were high and the income low, the only avenue was through the
circuit breaker program. If the amount of total property tax they paid
was a high percentage of their income, the State would be picking up a
lot of the tab for that. '
Mr. Bergman stated that they had talked about things the Co�ission could
start or do to get the ball rolling, and Mr. Erno had suggested five
different things regarding state legislation. Mr. Bergman stated that
Mr. Erno had also indicated that state legislation was not the only avenue.
Mr. Erno stated that the only true tax relief was getting controls on the
cost of government. The city had choices as far as city taxes were
concerned.
Mr. Boardman stated the city could reduce the services and reduce the mill
rate. If costs were reduced, the property tax would be reduced, because
the mill rate would be reduced which was the evaluation used on which to
base the assessed value.
Mr. Erno stated there would always be city government, county govercunent,
and school districts. It was just getting a handle on prioriCy needs in
the cooanunity.
Mr. Bergman stated he got the impression that the Fridley assessor had
some range involving some percentage at which level he either assessed
ar applied market value.
Mr. Boardman stated that when looking at market value, the assessor was
supposed to try to get lOCP/, but it was impossible. They had to use
their best judgment. Right now, the Fridley assessor was running around
94-95%, so they were one of the highest in Anoka County. The county was
supposed to be controlling so the co�unities were not going at different
rates.
Mr. Erno stated he peraonally would like to see a tax administrator for
taxing property for police,and fire protection. Why not have tax exeu�pt
property pay for the city services it now received? The State Legislature
now had the power to set rules for tax exempt property.
Mr. Bergman stated they had talked about tax abatement possibilities,
assessment values, and the taxing system. He did not know what stand
the city should take as Ear as tax abatement.
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COMM[JNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 11, 1978 - PAGE 9
Mr. Oquist stated that the system they had today was as good as any they
could come up with for the future, because all the alternatives had
pluses and minuses.`
Mr. Bergman stated he personally was favorably impressed with the general
idea of property improvement, but resulting in something other than the
present penalty, and maybe talking about reducing the penalty.
Mr. Bergman expressed his appreciation to Mr. Erno for attending the
meeting and for all his information. He asked Mr. Erno if he would be
willing to come before the Commission again if he was asked.
Mr. Erno stated he would be glad to do so.
MOTI�N by LeRoy Oquist, seconded by Connie Modig, to defer Item 3, "Advisory
Standards for Land Use Regulations," Item 4, "Develop Priority List of
Agenda Items," and Item 5, "Formulate Tentative Agenda for Next Month for
Next Month's Meeting-May 9, 1978" until the next meeting. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
2. HYDE PARK PLAN:
Mr. Boardman stated this would be going before the Planning Co�ission
for public hearing on April 19. What they were looking at was a zoning
r.egulation which was going to stabilize the development in that area.
There would be no expansion of apartment units in this type of an area,
and the only new development to go in would be single family development.
The neighbors in the area had said they wanted to preserve a single family
character in the area and by doing that, they wanted it stabilized by
eliminating the possibility of expansion of business or commercial or
expansion of apartment complexes. Mr. Boardman stated that once they
stabilized the neighborhood, they should develop a plan to work towards
in that neighborhood.
Mr. Bergman stated that the presentation had gone wrong at the last
Planning Commission meeting when the city was indicating that residential
property would be taken over for a park area. What bothered him was the
fact that the residents were saying they did not need a park.
Mr. Boardman stated that he thought the main objection was that the city
was going to come in and kick people out of their homes in order to make
a park. That did not mean that the idea of having a park facility there
eventually wouldn't be the best thing for the neighborhood. The city
might want to work out some purchase agreement with the property owners
so that when those properties sell, the city would have the first chance
to buy those properties.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT COt�AtISSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 10
Mr. Gabel stated the important thing right now was the rezoning so they
could get the stabilization of development; later on they could look at
the park:
Mr. Bergman stated he thought the city would come out better financially
by buying land across Main Street for a park and building a bridge over
the street.
Mr. Gabel stated it was something the city could look into. The city
could sell the current park Land for homes and buy land�across Main Street
for a park.
Mr. Boardman stated they also had a social consideration on top of an
economic consideration.
Mr. Bergman stated that another thing that bothered him was that a circle
had been drawn around the Hyde Park area,and it excluded three lots with
private homes on the south end on 57th Avenue.that were also zoned commercial.
He did not think they should go through an extensive plan to resolve a plan
for all the people in Hyde Park and then exclude those people who had the
same problem.
Mr. Boardman stated they could not make an exception for the people in
that area because that was more logically developable for co�ercial.
He stated the rezoning of these three properties was not a logical request
as it was spot zoning.
Mr. Boardman stated that the future development of the park was different
from the zoning issue. The existing park would be shown on the zoning map.
All that would be discussed at the public hearing would be the zoning.
6. ELECTION OF CHAZRPERSON AND VICE-CHAIRPERSON FOR ONE YEAR PERIOD:
Mr. Bergman declared nominations open for chairperson.
Mr. Gabel nominated Mr. Oquist for chairperson and Mr. Oquist nominated
Mr. Bergman for chairperson.
By secret ballot, Mr. Oquist was elected as Chairperson of the C�unity
Development Comnission for a one year term.
Mr. Bergman declared the nominations open for vice-chairperson.
Mr. Oquist nominated Mr. Bergman for vice-chairperson and Mr. Bergman
nominated Ms. Modig for vice-chairperson.
By secret ballot, Ms. Modig was elected Vice-Chairperson of the
Coam�unity Development Coum�ission for a one year term.
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COLIIiUNITY DEVELOPMENT COP'ASISSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 11
7. OTHER BUSINESS:
A.
[EW COrAffTTEE MEET
Mr. Oquist stated that it actually was a meeting of a Concerned
Citizens Committee. This committee started out with the Red Oak (street)
expansion due to the rerouting of Highway 10. As he understood it,
Highway 10 was proposed to go north and would cut off a portion of
the existing airport. Because of that redirection of Highway 10,
he thought they would have to expand the Anoka County Airport 1,000 ft.
north anyway and cut the south end of the airport. The committee was
formed to be concerned about Red Oak business, then the airport
expansion came about proposing to reclassify the airport from a
minor airport to an i.ntermediate airport. The other thing that was
happening was the National Guard wanted to move their Aeliport from
Rome & Field out to Anoka County, because they could not get any
dollars from the government to do any work on their existing airpoxt
because they were in the £lood plain. What came out of the cammittee
meeting was that they had got an extension of two years on the
expansion of Che airport because plans had to be rewritten and there
was also a 1'� year extension before the National Guard could actually
be moved there.
Mr. Oquist stated that the Blaine City Council had approved the
Heliport, but at a subsequent meeting, the concensus was to disapprove
iC. It was voted on again and voted against it because they had gotten
more input. Apparently, Anoka County really did not have to be
reclassified as intermediate because it was already classified as
a utility airport. So,they could really expand without a lot of
reclassification, but they were doing it. They were talking about
expanding it Co a DC3 type of aircraft, but they could laad jets out
there. They were talking about 9,000 ft, runways north and south,
and 4-5,000 east/west runways. It was primarily to get the load out
of International by putting the transport traffic into Anoka County.
Mr. Oquist stated that this committee wanted surrounding communities
to catch on to this and support them.
Mr. Boardman stated that the City Council's position at this time
was non-committal, a"wait and see" type of attitude to "see what the
environmental studies would be and to see what effect the airport
would have on Fridley.
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CO�II�[TNITY DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 11 1978 - PAGE 12
Mr. Bergman stated he would like to compliment Ms. Saba on the minutes,
particularly the March meeting minutes. He stated the minutes were very
easy reading, and he felt she had done a very good job.
ADJOURN(�NT :
MOTION by Connie Modig, seconded by LeRoy Oquist, to adjourn the meeting
at 11:15 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously. �
Respectfu� tted,
. �dL
Lynnp Saba
Recording Secretary
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL CONII�ISSION
MEETING
APRIL 18, 1978
MEMBERS PRESENT: James Langenfeld, Bruce Peterson, Lee Ann Sporre,
Connie Metcalf
MEMBERS ABSENT: David Sabistina
OTHERS PRESENT: Ray Leek, Planning Aide
CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Langenfeld called the meeting to order at 7:38 p.m.
�,PPROVAL OF MARCH 21, 1978, FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMNIISSION MINUTES:
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to approve the
March 21, 1978, Fridley Environuiental Commission minutes as writtea. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
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APPROVAL OF AGEATDA:
The following items were added to the agenda under "Other Business".
A. CENCOAD
B. Resolution 139-1977 City of Fridley Opposing Reclassification
of Anoka County mirport
C. Minnesota Guide Book
D. Non-Point Source Pollution Slide Show
E. Commission Process
F. Names of Possible Project Committee Personnel
G. "Cortm�unity Noise Control: Enforcing Motor Vehicle Law" Seminar
A. "Energy Conservation and Earth Sheltered Structures" Seminar
MOTION by Connie Metcalf, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to approve the agenda
with the above additions. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the mution
carried unanimously.
1. REVLEW COMMISSION GOALS (Cont.):
Mr. Langenfeld stated that the Commission had stated that, if time permitted,
Chey would like to discuss the goals and objectives of the Commission.
Considering the long agenda, he asked the Commissioners what they would like
Co do with this item.
The Commission agreed to put this item at the end of the agenda; and if
[ime permitted, they would discuss it at that time.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL CUMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 2
2. RECYCLING COMMITTEE REPORT:
Ms. Metcalf stated she had a formal proposal submitted by the Recycling
Project Committee to the Commission for a recycling center in the City of
Fridley. She stated she was sorry that she had not gotten this proposal
to the Commissioners earlier so that they could have reviewed it before
the meeting.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to receive the
"Recycling Project Committee Report". Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Langenfeld asked Ms. Metcalf if the Project Co�ittee would have any
objection to his sending this report on to the Planning Commission.
Ms. Metcalf stated she had no objection as she wanted to get it going.
But, she wondered if this Commission should take some action before passing
it on to Planning Coa�ission. She thought it might be putting the Cou�ission
in a bad position if they did not have recoumendations to pass on with it.
Mr. Leek suggested that the Planning Cou¢nission could receive it and then
hold it until they received recommendations from the Commission.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that was a good idea.
Ms. Metcalf outlined the proposal to the Cou�ission ststing that L-he reasons
for the center were listed in the second paragraph on the first page. The
Project Co�il-tee had decided not to list leaves,as leaves ceuld be composted,
The Project Committee was mainly concerned with the hauling away of news-
papers, corrugated paper, aluminum, metal cans, and glass containers. They
had received little encouragement from Metro Recycling as Metro Recycling
had stated they probably would not be enlarging their operation. So, Dick's
Recycling in Brooklyn Park would supply the box and barrels for the papers,
cans, and bottles, weigh the materials, and pay the organization. The
payment would really be from the paper. Dick's Recycling was also willing
t•o �ecycle anything that was recyclable.
Ms. Metcalf stated there was a paragraph about Edina's successful recycling
center. She stated on the second page wasa list of materials
Fridley center would be collecting.
Ms. Metcalf stated that, as the Co�ission knew, the Project Committee
had checked out privately-owned areas in Fridley and had gotten turned '
down by several. The city had seemed encouraging in getting the area
by tfie city garages, so the Recycling Project Committee was asking for
that location. She stated the area was fenced and would be kept locked
except for Saturday mornings from 10:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m. when there wquld
be attendants on duty.
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FRIDLCY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MGETI�7G, APRIL 18, 1978 - PAGE 3
Mr. Langenfeld stated that at the last meeting, Ms. Metcalf had stated
the Recycling Project Corrunittee had not been able to find out what the
income was for the St. Anthony Recycling Center. Had she been able to
get that informationY
Ms. MeCcalf stated she had been able to get this information. She stated
that the checks went directly to the St. Anthony Village Office. Their
income ranged per month, as high as $1,000 and as low as $20. In a one-
year period, St. Anthony had earned from the Pioneer Paper Company a total
of $1,469.80. The amounC collected per month varied a great deal. depending
on the sorting of the paper. When it was not sorted and people dumped
everything together in one truck, then the paper compaziy had to spend man
hours sorting it. The sorting was criCical when trying toaske money.
With the sorters, it was a good income.
Mr. Peterson stated his question was the staffing and manning of the
recycling center. He Y.new organizations were going to be asked to parti-
cipate in it, but what happened if they did not get any takers? Who was
going to assume the responsibility for the staffing of the center?
Ms. Metcalf stated that the Recycling Project Committee would m ake up a
chart every week. Eirst of all, they would find out what organizations
were willing to sCaff it for the income. Secondly, Eor the or.ganizations
that coere willing, they would fiad eut what Saturdays the.y would do it.
If there were blanks when nobody caas willing to be at tFie ceaier, Che �ate
could be closed. The only hazard �oould be [haC peo}�1e mighC come with
their bags and dump the stuff o�tside Che fence,
Ms. Sporre asked who assumed the responsibility fox staffing and who set
up the charts for the Edina Recycling Center?
Ms. Metcalf stated that it was citizen volunteers such as herself.
i1s. Sporre stated that this was an administrative question, and maybe the
report should include a paragraph that stated that the volunteer Recycling
Project Committee would initially administrate the volunteer staff aad
would help people take the responsibility.
Ms, Metcalf stated that maybe the Commission would not want to pass this
proposal on to the Planning Commission before looking it over very care-
fully as the Co�issioners were bringing up good questions that should
be considered, She stated that she had felt the center should be ca.11ed
a"Collection CenCer for R'�cyclables° rather than a"recycling center".
Ms. Sporre stated she would like to ask Mr. Leek to ask the Parks &
Recreation Department about the feasi6ility of using that small amount of
land east of Columbia Arena for the collection center. She stated she
would like to know this information before she could make a decision on
the proposal and she would like this information at the next meeting.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSIDN MEETING, APRIL 18,_1978 - PAGE 4
She stated that if it seemed compatible with the Parks & Recreation Depart-
ment, then a paragraph should be added in the report stating that this
area of land was compatible with the planning of that department. She also
stated a paragraph should be added that the administration and organization
of the center would be handled for staffing by the Project Committee.
Something had to be included about how the center would be administered.
Ms. Metcalf stated that as of now, the Project Co�nittee planned to
administer it; if at some point in time,the Project Committee fell apart,
the administration of it could be changed at that time.
Mr. Peterson stated that, referring to the last paragraph on page 2 �
regarding fliers to be handed out, this news could also be included in
all the city information that went out to the citizens.
Mr. Langenfeld reconmiended that the Commission approve this report that
evening on the basis that paragraphs be added regarding the administration
and the property location.
MOTION by Connie Metcalf, seconded by Bruce, that the Environmental
Commission accepted and approved the "Recycling Project Co�ittee Report"
with the following recommendations:
1. Property location--must be compatiUle with city plar.s for that area
2, hdministration--the Recyclir.g Project Co�ittee would be initially
r.esponsible for the administering of the collection center.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the mot'ion carried unanimously.
The Commission concurred that these two recommendations should be typed
and attached to the report and that the title, "Recycling Project Cos�ittee
Report" be changed to "Collection Center Proposal for the City of Fridley
submitted by the Recycling Project Committee of the Environaental Coamission."
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to continue discussion
of the collection center at.the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting
aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Langenfeld co�ended Ms. Metcalf and the Recycling Project Committee
on a fine joU and thanked them for all the work they had done.
3. EL�CTION OF CHAIRPERSON AND VZCE-CtiAIRPERSON:
Mr. Langenfeld declared nominations open for Chairperson.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Connie Metcalf, to cast a white
ballot for Mr. James Langenfeld to continue as Chairperson of the Environ-
mental Co�ission for a one-year term. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye,
the motion carried unanimously.
FRIDLEY ENVIR�NMGNTAL COMMISSION MEETING, APRIL 1.8, 1978 __ - PAGE 5
Mr. Langenfeld declared the nominatians open for Vice-Chairperson.
MOTION by Connie Metcalf, seconded by Lee Ann Spozre, to cast a white ballot
for Mr. Peterson to continue as Vice-Chairperson of the Environmental
Commission for a one-year term. Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously.
4. OTHER BUSINESS:
A. CENCOAD:
Mr. Langenfeld stated that at the last meeting, Mr. Sabistina had
stated he would be willing to talk Co Nir. Tom Myhra, Director of
Co�gnity Education about offering the Water Management Computer
5imulation Game as part of the Community Sducation program.
Mr. Langenfeld stated he had not gotten Chat report yet from
Mr. Sabistina.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to continue
discussion of CENCOAD at the next meeting. Upon a voice vote, a11
voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
B. RESOLUTLON J39-1977 CITY OF IRIDLi'Y OPPOSING RECLASSIFICATION
OP ANOKA COUNTY AIRPORT:
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to receive Aesolution
139-1977. Upon a voice vote, a1I voting aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
Mr. Langenfeld stated this was a resolution by the City of Fridley
opposiag the reclassification of the Anoka County Airport to an
intermediate aviation facility until further assessment of the
consequences of such reclassification was conducted. It was an
action taken by the city and was not anything for Che Commission to
do at this time.
Mr. Langenfeld stated this all came abouC because of discussions on
the convenCion level and Chat various communities were getting
involved with the possible expansion of Che airpore. He had been
asked by Planning Commission Chairperson Harris to obtain a delegate
fram the Environmental Commission to go to Moundsview to see what
was taking place. The Planning Co�ission wanted to know just what
Che feelings were in the surrounding co�mnunities. Mr. Langenfeld
stated that Ms. Sporre had attended this meating. He stated this
kas going to be a very controversial issue. He stated Chat Che
next meeting had been in Slaine. He had been unable to make that
meeting, but Mayor Nee had reconm�ended that commission people not
get involved at that particular stage as far as Blaine was concerned.
Mr. Langenfeld stated that Ms. Sporre was going to report on the
aneeting at Moundsview and he would report this to the Planning
Camnission the following evening.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL CONAIISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 6
Ms. Sporre stated that there was a large group of people in attendance
at the meeting. Little emotion was shown; the people listened and took
notes. Representative Paul McCarron was one of the spokespersons to
the issue and explained that the proposal would include a$5� million
facility and NationaT Guard facility. The National Guard felt they
had to leave Holman Field in St. Paul because they were in the flood
plain. According to Paul McCarron, if Blaine and Anoka County approved
the National Guard plan, they could go ahead and build even during the
period environmental impact statements were being prepared. Since that
meeting, both Anoka County and Blaine had reversed their feelings and
were not encouraging the expansion of the airport. On March 20, 1978,
the Metropolitan Airports Commission had decided to delay the decision
until they got a master plan which evidently was supposed to include
the equivalent of a comprehensive master plan for the Anoka County
Airport planning and the environmental impact statement concerns.
Ms. Sporre stated that the issues raised that were of environmental
concern caere noise pollution, the aix pollution factor (because the
airport would still be within the impact range of another major airport),
land use and water quality. The proposal to go to an intermediate
airport was really a very major step because it would allow for major
air traffic in the area.
Ms. Sporre stated tnat at the meeting, she felt she was being asked
to represent the city when she had actually gone as a citizen. She
wondered if it would not be a good idea to get authorization from
City Council for a responsible persoti to be named as a liaison person
to attend these meetings. She thought Fridley should be officially
involved in this--that it was the responsibility of the city to be
involved. It was a major environmental decision and an environmental
concern in Fridley. If City Council did not want ta provide a council-
person, then either someone from administration or one of the comnissions
should be delegated the authority to participate in gaining information
officially for the city and to transmit any kind of resolution the
city had regarding the airport expansion. There were other official
liaisons from other communities at the meeting, and there had been
calis from the-floor for representatives from surrounding co�unities.
If Fridley had been called, there would not have been an official
liaison from the city.
Ms. Sporre stated it was also important to recammend to Planning
Commission that the city was not there just to gather information,
but that when it came time to state a position, that liaison wou2d
have the authority to state the city's position. Whoever was author-
ized by the city to be liaison should also be authorized to partici�
pate in the city's position. She would be willing to be that liaison
if a City Council member, the mayor, or a city staff inember did not
go.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMI:ISS.T.ON MEETING, AYRIL 18, 1978 - _ PAGE 7
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre to racom;nend that khe city name and authorize
the liaison to participate ia the Airport Co�ittee.
Ms. Metcalf stated she had qualms about having an official city repre-
sentative unless they were sure these meetings were official meetings.
Mr. Leek stated that the motion implied that the City Council would
have to name someone to be the official liaison and whomever they
named would then be empowered to put forth the City Council's ofEicial
positions with regard Co the airport expansion.
MOTION TO AMEND by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, that
Lhe City name and authorize a liaison to participate with regard to
the Anoka County Airport reclassification hearings and meeti.ngs. Upon
a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Ms. Sporre gave names and phone numbers of the following people who
could be contacted regarding the airport expansion:
Mr. Bergstrom, Chairpetson of the Airport Commission - 786-7455
Ms. Betty Skelly, Coordinator - 784-3635
Mr. Duane McCarty, Resource Person - 784-6074
C. NfLNNESOT�a GUIDE �OOK:
Mr. Langenfeld stated this was ;u easy to use mancal describinj the
operations of 80 state aget:ciec and llsting where to cbtain infermation
on t�arious subjects. The maaual cost $6.19 and ha c;�ovld 1i_l:e to see
the Commission authorize the purchase of one of these maim als for
coamission use.
Mr. Leek stated that the City would be ob*_aining a copy of this
manual and it could be used by the commission uembers at any time.
Ms. Metcalf suggested that the inforc�ation regarding the"Minnecota
Guide Book" be passed on to the Fridley Library to be purchased by
them also.
The Commission members agreed that since the city was obtaining a
copy of the"Minnesota Gui.de Sook", there was no need ior the Coucnission
to also have one.
D. NON-POINT SOURCE POLLUTION SEMINAR:
Mr. Langenfeld referred to the March "208 Planning News" in which
it stated that the M.P.C.A. had se•Jeral slide shows on non-point
source pollution produced by the Region V Office of the E.P.A. .
which were available for public use. The Non-Point- Source Pollution
introduction consisted of two 15-minute slide shows with audio
cassette tapes. The sho�as gave examples of non-point source pollution,
hydrolo�ical processes, the relationship between vegetation and soil,
and the effects of human activities on water quality. Two other sets
of slide shows dealt toith gollution f:om agricul.tural crop oroductien
(2 parts) and pol.lution from construction (3 parts).
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL CONII4ISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 8
Mr. Langenfeld stated he thought the Commission should get involved
in this as he thought they couLd really use this information. It
could also be publicized. Y.e thought the Non-Point Source Pollution
introduction slide shows would be sufficient at this time.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to accept
Mr. Langenfeld's suggestion regarding the"Non-Point Source Pollution
Introduction" slide shows, and that these presentations be held at
the earliest available date. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the
motion carried unanimously. �
Ms. S�orre referred to the February "208 Planning News" in which it
stated that the M.P.C.A. now had available information material dealing
wit'h chemicals used for highway snow and ice removal and feedlots.
One report contained information on the use and storage of de-icing
chemicals in the s*_ate, the effects these chemicals might have on the
water quality and management practices which might reduce any negative
effects. The second report assessed the effects of feedlots and feed-
lot run-off on water quality throughout the state. Ms. Sporre stated
she wondered what was being done about the storage area by the river.
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Eruce Peterson, to authorize
Mr. Langenfeld to get the infoxvnation regarding the storage of highway
chemicale. Upon a voice vote, all vot�ng aye, the motion carried
unanimously.
E. COP�AIISSION PROCESS:
Mr. Langenfeld stated he wished this item had gotten on the agenda,
because the C�ission members would have received c opies of the
March 14, 1978, Community Development Commission minutes regarding
the "Cammission Process". He stated this became almost an issue at
the Planning Commission and he wanted to bring out several points.
They had talked in general about a lot of repeCition being done by
the commissions and by Planning Commission. He stated that on page 9
of the Coamiunity Development Commission minutes, first paragraph,
PSr. Boardman had "cited the example of the Environmental Commission
in which one of their members was involved in pulling together
information for a recycling center. He would like to see this happen
without a great deal of commission reliance on staff as the information
source to that commission. He �aould like to see the sta£f inember
be an input on information that was gathered, rather than a workhorse
for the commission, primarily because staff did not have time to do
the legwork as was required sometimes. He thought the problem was
that staff and the commission members really had not realized what
their full responsibilities were."
Mr. Langenfeld stated that Ms. Gabel had strongly objected to staff
being only input and not the workhorse. She had referred to all the
extra work she had been involved with on the Sign Ur3inance Project
Committee.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18, 1978 - PAGE 9
Mr. Langenfeld stated that, in his opinion, perhaps sometimes this
commission did ask staff to do a little bit more than Chey should and,
on that basis, he had brought this subject up to get the commissioners'
feelings about it.
Mr. Leek stated that as background to the question, when the city
became involved in the Mandatory Planning Program dictated by the
1976 Mandatory Land Planning Act passed by the State Legislature,
it became very clear that not only the administrative staff and
planning sCaff would be heavily involved, but also Planning Commission,
City Council, and the member commissions would be involved in a tight
schedule in order to receive, review, and make recommendations on the
6-8 documents require� Looking at a time frame of 1978-Jan. 1, 1979.
Since the reorganization of the Planning Commission and member
commissions in 1974, it had been the case with some projects that
there had been long time delays. Some of these time delays, it was
felt by staff, might have been as khe result of a misunderstanding of
the reorganization of the coum�issions as outlined in Ordinance No. 606.
Mr. Langenfeld referred to page 9, second paragraph,of the Community
Development minutes, in which Mr. Boardman had stated that, "Hopefully,
Planning Coa�ission was involved primarily in the area of policy, while
the commissions were involved in the actual implementation of that
policy."
Mr. Leek sCated that, for example, there was concern on the part of
staff, particu2arly in regard to the Community Devel.opment Commission,
that they were not even generating their own agendas. Another concern
was the workload with regard to the Mandatory Planning Program, as well
as other city requisite programs.
Mr. Leek stated that, as he understood it, Planning Coum�ission c.�as a
body concerned with general policy development for the city that
acYed in capacity with recommending directly to City Council what
areas the city should have official pclicy in,and member co�issions
each had specific areas of policy concerns and, in tkiose specific
areas, were empowered to generate potential policy stances and potential
implementation programs for censideration hy Planning Co�nission and,
subsequently, City Council. Specifically, there was a Section;607,
which stated that commissions may establish special project committees
to further the objectives of the commissiens and provide for better
citizen participation and such project coumittees sha11 be appointed
by commission for special projec[s.
Ms. Sporre stated she saw this as an administrative issue, not a
policy issue.
Mr. Leek stated they were trying to make a concerted effort to get
back to ehe sense of the reorsanization so everyone was operating ir.
the same way.
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FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 10
Mr. Langenfeld read the first paragraph under "Coimnission Process" on
page.8 of the Comnunity Development Commission minutes in which
Mr. Boardman stated that: "There had been a lot of question as to
what was Che responsibility of a commission member, what was the
responsibility of.a staff inember to the commission, etc. He stated
that, as the Commission might know, staff had been quite busy in
this period of time in which the member co�nissions had been set up
as action commissions, recovm�ending action to the Planning Commission,
and hopefully, the commissions would have more of a'self-generating
type of effect, rather than waiting around for staff to give them
something to do. He envisioned the commission as a working commission
in which the members would do a great deal of the work involved in
some of the projects."
Ms. Sporre stated she could not see the commission being stripped
of the staff capability and still be valuable to the City Council.
Staff capability was a necessity. This commission could not do the
services they did for the City Council without the staffing capability
they had.
Mr. Leelc stated this was not the elimination of staff. It was clari-
fication of the relationship between staff and the commissions. From a
personal perspective, he saw no problem of staff acting as an
infcrmationai resource because there were, as Ms. Gaoel had pointed
out at the Plannir.g Commission, several agencies and programs that
staff had better access to. What he could see as being a potential
problem, in some cases, was the situation in which the commission might ,
express a concern on a particular issue and development of a program,
but did not take the initiative to formulate at least the framework
in which that program might take place. I
Pis. Sporre stated an example of where the Environmental Commission
had done that was to use staff to formulate the Noise Control Ordinance.
She thought what they did was the most original approach. It was the
best service they could do for the City Council and it was expedient I
for the cammission to do it at that level. �
I
Mr. Leek stated that, at the same time, this commission had generated i
its own sets of recommendations whan warranted; for example, the
Recycling Project Committee and the East River Road Project Committee. ,
Ms. Sporre asked Mr. Leek if he could specifically site any examples
when the Environmental Commission should have exercised more initiative
and still have done the same or equivalent service?
Mr. Leek stated he could not at this point, because in a couple of
instances where he felt it was more appropriate for the commission to
handle it, he had suggested that the coawiission do so. Their genera-
tion potential had been very good and when he felt it was unappropriate
for him to be involved, he had taken the initiative not to be involved.
ERIDLEY ENVIROffi�NTAL COMMISSTON MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 11
Mr. Langenfeld stated he was pretty sure this would be discussed at
the next Planning Commission meeting and he just wanted to get the
Commissioners' feelings on it. His bringing up the subject was not to
indicate that the Environmental Commission was off track. Maybe what
Staff was trying to say was that all the coIIrtnissions were tending to
ask staff more and more things when the commissions should be doing
them.
Mr. Leek read the Environmental Commission's Purpose and 5cope as he
felt it was representative of the issue.
The Commissioners stated they would like to receive copies of the
March 14, 1978, Community Development Commission minutes, pages 8-12.
Mr. Langenfeld stated these minutes would be mailed to the commission
members, and he suggested that this subject be continued at the next
meeting if time permitted.
F. NAMES OF POSSIBLE PROJECT COMMITTEE PERSONNEL:
MOTION by Lee Ann Sporre, seconded by Bruce Peterson, to receive the
names of two potential pr�ject committee mem3ers: Mr. Narein E. Aora,
67+0 - 4th St. N.n., and Mr. Davi.d Monical, 151^ N. T_imoer Rid�e.
Upon a voice vote, a11 voting aye, the c�otion carried uaanimously.
Mr. Lan,r,enfeld stated these people had etpressed a'desir.e Co be on
a commission when there were recent openings on other comsnissions,
Mr. Langenfeld also read the :etter written by the City Manager to
each of these gentlemen_expressing the city's appreciation in their
interest.
Ms. Sporre suggested that whenever the Gommission had a need for a
project co�ittee, it be the commission's policy to have the chairperson
contact these people.
The Co�ission concurred that it was important to have a compiled,
updated list of those people interested in serving on project conunittees.
The Commission concurred that they would like Mt. Langenfeld to contact
Mr. Hora to find out his particular interest.
G. "COMMUNITY NOISE CONTROL: ENFORCING MOTOR VEHICLE LAW" SEMINAR;
Mr. Leek stated that this seminar would be held May 11 at the College
of St. Catherine and was sponsored by Che American Lung Association
of Hennepin County/Metropoliean Clean Air Co�ittee. The registration
fee was $20. He stated that he or another staff inember would be
attending the seminar.
FRIDLEY ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION MEETING APRIL 18 1978 - PAGE 12
Ms. Sporre stated she wanted the record to show that it was staff
initiative to spend staff time and staff money to attend this
seminar and was not by request of the Environmental Couunission:
H. "ENERGY CONSERVATION & EARTH SHELTERED STRUCTURES" SEMINAR:
Ms. Sporre stated this seminar was being held on May 16-17 at the
University of Minnesota-W311iamson Hall, at a cost of $36. She
stated she was concerned about some of the proposals coming up for
public buildings in Fridley, either on the real proposals or on the
talk proposals. She thought Fridley should be involved in using
sheltered structures, but needed a better understanding of how it
was done and how efficiently it could function. She thoughtthere
should be a city representative at the seminar. She would like to
represent the commission at the seminar, but that did not forego
staff participation. She thought city staff should also be involved
in participating in it.
Ms. Metcalf stated she agreed with Ms. Sporre that the city should
be coneerned about energy saving buildings.
MOTION by Connie Metcalf, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, to approve
Ms. Sporre`s attendance at this "Energy Conservation & Earth Sheltered
Structures" seminar and to recorimend t:hat additional ciL-y staff
attend this meetin� al�o. Upona voice vote, a11 voting aye, the
motion carri_ed unanimously.
Ms. Sporre stated this was an energy question and she saw it as one
of the concerns that could immediately be addressed by an "Energy
Commission.^
1. REVIEW COI�IISSION GOALS (Moved to end of agenda for discussion if time
permitted):
MOTION by Connie Metcalf, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, to continue
discussion on the "Commission Goals" at the next meeting. Upon a
voice vote, all.voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
ADJOliRNMENT :
MOTIOPd by Bruce Peterson, seconded by Lee Ann Sporre, to adjoum the
meeting at L1:00 p.m. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the motion
carried unanimously.
Respectfully su itted,
A ✓E F.L .6C-v -=_'-"'
Lynd'e Saba
Recording Secretary
CITY Or rRIDLPY
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CALL TO ORDER:
Chairperson Schnabel called the April 25s �978, I�ppeals
Ccmmission meeting to order at 7;36 PoM.
ROLL CALL:
Members Present;
Members �bsent:
Others Present:
P1eme1, Schnabel, Gabel� Barna
Kemper
Ron Holden� Building Inspector
APPROVE APPEALS COMi�1ISSI0N MINUTES: APRIL 11, 1978
P10TION by Mr. Barna, seconded by Ms. Gabel, to approve the Appeals
Commission minutes of April 11� 197t3,
Chairperson Schnabel said that the first sentence of the last
paragraph on page 5 should have the v�ords, �idue to the close proximit;�
of the garage on the property to the North" added at the end of the
sentence, She said that the reason for the addition �+ras because she
felt the minutes were unclear and people may ivonder vfhy the Commission
was so concerned about vaindo�vs on the North side of the house.
1.
IIPON A.VOICE VOT�, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
`Phe Public Hearing was open.
Mr, Samuel C. Dahlberg, Mr. Terry Hoffa of y47 Zongfellow Street,
Randy & Charlotte Hoffa of 8000 E River Road, Doug Zinquist of
�50 Liberty Street, Larry Mishov✓er and Patty Chavez of
440 Ely Street i��, were all present at the meeting regai•ding this
item.
T4r. Holden sliov�ed the Commissioa a topographical map of the exact
location, He also shovred them a set of house plans that T4r, Dahlberg
planned to build at that location,
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^ Mr. Holden explained h�w the house ivould be situated on the lot
if the variance ti�rere granted,
Cha.irpe�eon Schnabel asked if the plans were exactl.y what P4r. Dahlberg
vaanted to build on that property.
Mr. Dahlberg said that the plans were of what he raanted to corstruct,.
He said that the rear of the house vroulci be concrete and block. He
indicated that from the front the house r�ould be one story and from
the rear it arould be tkree stories.
Mr, Plemel asked if the house v,�as being built on a speculative basis.
Mr. Dahlberg said that it v�as presently speculative, but that he
did have a prospective buyer.
Chairperson Schnabel asked Uthat the renaining i4 feet of Lot 11
r•zould be used for�
Mr. Dahlberg said that he planned to build anoiher house next to
the one being discussed. He said that the li� feet from Lot 11 would be
used for the drive�aay of the second house
Chair�erson Schnabel a�ked if there izrould be anything to consider
reg�s ding the creek.
,-, _ �Qk ,;r�sn't ��lt:erek;
P•Sr. Hclden s�id 1,hat as lono as the flo�n of ..�z�� cr�.,. u
aS I.OT1g �S 11B 5±;�.;JEL�. S.SI EXC058 �f �jv I°p± froTM ��ti�e C@11�BZ' lin.�; anci i?.B
�aas Gllt oi i,he ilocd plain9 the:ca wuould.n't be a.ny �rcb�ems rr�th the
creelf.
Chairperson Schnabel asked if Staff had made any other determinations
regarding the property.
Nr. Holden said that full soil borings and tests would have to be
ruade before the building permit c�ould be issued. He said that the house
had no effect on the flood plain and it lvould not effect the creek, He
said that other than the removal of some trees� the terraine tivould be
basic.ally the samee
Chairperscn Schnabel explained to the neighbors present vrhat
Mr. llahlberg tiJas proposing for that particular property.
.•ir. Randy Hoffa asked hotv many square feet the proposed house tivould
be,
t�ir. Dahlberg said that.the house would be 1,050 square feet. He
explained a few o£ the points of the house including the proposed roof
line.
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Mr. Pdishovier
proposed house.
asked what the selling price would be for the
Mr. Dahlberg said that it vrasn't exactly set� but that it would
be approrimately $�80�U00,
h4r, Randy Hoffa asked if the house could be built ivith no
variances granted.
Mr, Holden said that it mosi likely could sti11 be built. He
shoc�ed them on the map anproximately v�here the house v�ould be
situated and how it tivould appear. He said that they tivould have
adequate room but tfiat it ia�ould be better located as far from the
creek as possible. '
Mr. Randy Hoffa said that he still felt as he had stated at the
previous meeting. He wanted any further construction to be studied
very carefully by the i•�ater and sewer people and to consider what
effect it rrill have on the neighborhood to add anything more to the
already existino ivater and sewer lines.
Mr. Randy Hoffa said that it was hard to envision that ttivo houses
could be constructed in addition to the already existing houses in
the area, He said it vrould r.ave to be the City�s responsibilitiy
should any damage or overloading of the sevrerf�vater lines result from
the allo�aing of the future buildino in the area.
Mz. �lisho�arer did not t�rant the City of Fridley to allow any
exceptions to the codes.
Nir. Linquist said tlzat he didn't have anything to �dd to r.hat
he had stated at the kpril lith meeting. He had been in agreement
erith the other neighbors that they did not t�rant any variances granted
on that property.
Ohairperson Schnabel explained that in any City Zoning
Ordinance there t�ras an Appeals process to req_uest variances f^om the
Ordinance. Siie said that there svere circumstances that could come
up that people vrould need variances. She said that there was alvrayU
an appeals process.
Chairperson Schnabel indicated that the City of Fridley was, in
terms of residential broperty, approximately 95°/, buili. She said that
i°�hat ivas left were the unusual pieces of property, She said that in
order to use that property and not lose it on the tax rol1, it �vas
sometimes necessary for the.City to grant variances °
Mr. Hoffa asked why the City felt it had to build up to 100%...
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Chair.person Schnabel explained that the main point was that as
lon�; as land ��ts.� available� people want private homes. She said that
land really eras a prime item. She indicated to the audience that the
lot in question had been a platted lot for many years.
Mr, Fioffa said that even thou�h there vra� adequate square footage
that rrould indicate that the lot ti��as a buildable lot� a majority of that
land vtas not buildable 1and. He said that most of that loi was located
belot�� the hill� wthich vaas unbuildable lando
C1lairperson Schnabel said that there t�as a Zoning Ordinance and the
Appeals Commission had limited authority in 1�Jhat they could act upon.
She said that the Zoning Ordinance could not be raritten to each specific
lot. She said that it had to be more generalized in ilature� so that it
only addressed ihe square footage of the lot and not to specific instance:a
Mr. Hoifa eranted to knolv ���hy more houses should be added to that
neighaorhood, He said that the codes e�ere set up to limit cro�=rding and
to prevent certain types of situations. He said that the neighborhood
did not tvant the cro�l�ded effect that the house iaould pose.
ChairPerson Schnabel explained th.at the codes ivere basically
desi�ned to protect the health, safety and ti^rel£are of the people. ,
Mr. Barna asked ho�a the seiFrers woul� be hand.led in the proposed
house.
Mr. TIclaen Uaic'. that the niain level. anci first Lase*.ncn+ ti�rcni� he
take.� ca.r° of b�r ihe e..i.st�r.g �,z��er system, ?Ie s�id 'that the se,��nd
l'Ta�.�—�llt� 7J�:tfB:^E?S1� GdOlU_D'. �.:22PC! 5. :iUID"1J�-�`UIG�� .
p?r, L�nqu:i�t a:�xd i4r., Hoffa referencel �iother hous�� �rat �vaa ioCatEd- "
in th� ne?.b'r:borhood 'chat rJ�N an "eye sore��„ ls��ey Uaid that var.i.a:7ce:
had been allovaed iar the construction of the houae and soc.e of the
variances iaere never lived up to. They said that the honse e�as not
functional as a residential house. They said that the house �vas no���
reiital proper'i,y and the nei�hborhood did not trant another experience
like that one, They did noi t•rant an5� variances granted on the properi;y
ovrned by Mr. Dahlberg.
Mr. Linquist felt that r4r. Dahlberg had other options for his
prope.rty and he should consider them. He said that Mr. Dahlberg
covld utilize all the lots he o�med and place one house on the entire
-�roperty raLher than trying to squeeze two houses into the area.
MOTION by rir. Barna, seconded by Pir. Plemel, to close the Public
Hearing. Upoa a voice voie, al_l yoting aye, the motion carried
unanimous�y. Tne ?ublic Hearing vras closed at 8:28 P.M.
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Chairperson Schnabel felt that the neighbor� had many valid
objections and she v�a.s trying to keep all the arguments separate,
She �aid that the 4ppeals Commission tivas only handling the request
for a variance of the I'ridley City Code to reduce the minimum
requirement for a front yard setback on Lots 5,6,7,8,9,to and the ti+est
16 feet of Lot 11, She said that a future hou�e planned to be built
by Mr, Dahlberg kept coming up in tlle conversations and she explained
that as an Appeals Commission they did have limited authorit;/ and
they could only act on the requested variance, She said that the
variance request tivould go onto City Council and they did have more
authority to act on these requests in addition that they have legal
counsel vahich the Appeals Commission did not.
Chairperson Schnabel said that she had mixed feelings on the
issue because the property had been plattecl ti�ii;h the intent that
they v✓ould become home.sites, 5he felt that 4vhen the lots were platted
she would have questioned the advisability of accepting the plat, �
She said that someone should have been in thai area and should have
looked at the property and assessed if that raas actually a buildable
site.
Mr. Barna said that his main concern vras tvith the steepness oi
the lot and the fact that the majority of the lot vras at the creek
level. He said that he couldn't imagir.e situa.ting �he house on the
edge of the sand hi11 i�rhich vras on top of clay vrhich v�as movable,
Mr. Plemel said that the request 1Nas for. a vari�xice �f the front
yard setback and cons�dering the nkmber oi ,ee� in`�olve:'., he didn�t
feel it would be objectable. He said ihat �.f the soil bor�n�,s
indicated that the land vrould support a house, he c�id nct c'bjact„
Ms•, Holden said that Mr. Dahlberg would have t� hire soineone to
do the full core boring sample and pressure testing before the building
permit r�ould be issued,
P40TI�N by Mr. Plemel, seconded by Mr. Barna, that the Appeals
Commission recommend approval of the request for variance of the
Fridley City Code, Section 20j.o53,4,A, to reduce the r�inimum requirement
for a front yard setback, from 35 feet to 18 feet, to allo�r the construction
of a dvrelling and garage on lots 5,6,7,8,9,10 and the tvest 16 feet cf
lot 11, Block 8, Spring Brook Park Addition, except that part lying
North and lFlest of the center line of Spring Brook Creek, the same
being 465 Liberty Street NE� Fridley� MN with the stipulation that
fu11 bore �oil testing be done before the building perinit vrould be
issued.
UPON A VOICE VOTE� i4r. Plemel, Ms. Gabel� and Ms. Schnabel voting
aye; Mr. Barna vot-ing nay; the motion carriede
Chairperson Schnabel said that the item would go to City Council
on May 8� 1978.
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2e
MOTION by Mr. Barna� seconded by Mr, Plem�1� to open the Puhlic Hearing,
TJpon a voice vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimousiy.
The Public Hearing vaas opened at 8:52 P,i4.
ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF REPORT
A. PUBLIC PUh'POSE SERVED BF RFnUIRET$iNT:
Section 205.�53 (4B�5a) requiring a�ide yard �:ridth on a street
side of a corner lot shall be noi; less than 17,5 feet.
Public purpose served by this requirement is to maintain a higher
degree of traffic visibility and to reduce the "1ir.e of sight"
encroachment into the neighbor's front yard.
B, STATED HAP.DSHIP: (Taken from Application)
�'There are tt+�o reasons why I am applying for this variance:
C,
1) TY:� hous: is si.`.uai,edy� o.r_ thye� ly�o/�tf� in�y suJc'� a mann�e1�^�] tha^i.(,� ja��r�ej
�]��,I7a1i1�T :,G{rQ..`�j� �s�1L1.�J.11 ���ial_1lGrvA1V4 �?W1L��Z.���iU .�iVN.1l1 rll�r ll� il��1V
vai.i;houL �ae�i:rcyi.ng the beauzy ci `�he l� t,
2) Th.e Uingle ca:r ga..ra�e :.o�rr a'ttached9 cc?ul.d not he en�ar•,?;e�i
e�rithin orci9_nance li�iwtations s°r? t�out c:�using other jJ"lOpl�T(IS
in i;he house ihat i�rould be undesireable; such as inside ligh.tino
and tying �_n the roof lines,"
ADA'fIIdISTRATIVE STAFI' RE6'I�l"i:
Fie].d measurements show a boulevard of about 17 feet on the north
side of the property. The proposed gara�e i�tould be approximately
21.5 feet from the curbing on 68th Avenue. Se�reral Pine trees near
the property line t�rould have to be relocated or removed, The
petitioner feels that alternative plans, such as for a detached
garage or adding to the existing �;arage� v�ould not fit iato the
building's appearance or structure.
Mr. Glen Ridgley lvas present at the meetinge
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i�5r. Ridgley indicated on a dravring exactly where he isranted to
construct the garage addition, IIe said that he planned to build out
ten feet from the existin� garage and enclose the five foot overhang
to the front, IIe Uaid that by so doin� he v�ould basically be squaring
the house. He said there v�ould no lon�er be a jog between the house
and �arage.
In ans��er to a o,uestion by Mr, Plemel, Mr. Ridgley stated that a
contractor i�rould be doing the ivork.
Mr, IIolden sug�ested that Mr, Ridgley maintain the hip roof line
of the house.
Mr. Ridgley said that he ti�aould talk to the contractor.
Chairperson Schnabel asked vahat he planned to do ���ith the existing
evergreen irees.
Mr. Ridgley said that of the five evergreens he vrould leave tivo
and remove three.
Mr. Ridgley said that addin� onto the e�isting garage in the proposed
manner raas the best solution. He said they ti�rould be able to keeb the
existing lines of the house and ti�tithout totally ruining the useable yard
area.
Mr. Plemel sa�d that there erouldn't be any visual polJution or
obstruc�ion to traffic.
P40TION by Mr. Barna, seconded by t�is, Gabel� to cl�se the Public
iiear�ing, Upon a voice vote, all tTotir_g aye, the motion carried
unanimously. The Public Hearing rras closed at g:0� P,T•i,
Mr. Plemel said that he did have a hardship, that being enly
having a single garage.
Mr. Barna said that he saw no problems �a naa no objections.
Ms. Gabel. said that �he tivould rather see people enlarge their
garages and have places to keep their vehicles and otlzer items than
to leave the� on the streets and in the yards. She had no objections.
MOTION by P4s. Gabelg seccnded by Mr. Barna, to approve the request
for variance of the Fridley City Code, 6ection 205.053,4�Bs5,a, to
reduce the side yard setbaclt on the street side o£ a corner lot from
the required 1p�5 feet to 4,5 feet� to allor� a garage addition to be
con.�tructed, on p��r� of Lots 16 and 17, Brookzriew Additior., the same
being 6876 Channel Road 1V�, Pridley, MN.
UPON A VOIC� VOTE, all vo+ing aye, the motion carried unanimously,
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APPI�AL� C01".I��ISSIOII i4C]?TING - APRIL ?_� 1�78 , Pa1�e 8
3. CONTINiJPD: Plection of Chair�erson and Vice-Chairperson
Con±inued until all members of ihe Appeals Commission rrere in
attendance.
4.
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Continued until the next Appeals Commission meeting._
ADJOURR�IEIdT:
MOTION by IRr, Barna� seconded by P�Is. Gabel, to adjourn the
April 25� 1978, Appeals Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all
voting aye9 t'r,e rnotion carried unanimously. The meeting was adjourned
at 9:10 P.T..
Respectfully �ubmitted,
�-�--(�/Ir�'� �' ,f '
Maryi�e Ca.rh�11
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CITY OF FRIDLEY
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MAY 3. 1978 —
CALL TO ORDER•
Chairperson Harris called the May 3, 1978, Planning Commission meeting
to order at 7;44 P.M.
ROLL CAI,L:
Members Present
Members Absent
Others Present
Storla� Oquist, Harris� Schnabel, Lan�enfeld
Suhrbier
Ber�man - Oquist representing;
Peterson - Suhrbier representing
Jerrold Boardman, City Planner
APPRQVE PI,ANNING COMMISSION MINUTES: APRIL 19. 1978
MOTION by Mr. Lan�enfeld, seconded by Mr. Storla, to approve the
April tg, 19'78, Planning Commission minutes.
Mr. Langenfeld said that the first paragraph on page 14, the last
sentence should have read, ��Now that they are all joined together,
I am sure the citizens will not let the City for$et their existence",
Mr. Langenfeld indicated that on page 20, the tenth paragraph� the last
sentence should have read, �'He said that the City should be cautioned
to the fact that they did not want another 53rd & Central established
in that area."
Mr. Langenfeld said that he had wanted pages 25 and 26 typed.
UPOId A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
1. COMPREHENSIVE SEWER PLAN
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Mr. Oquist� to receive the
April 1978 Supplement to the January 1973 Comprehensive Sewer Plan.
UPOtd A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
Mr. Boardman explained that the initial platt was done in January tg73;
however� because so many of the figures had changed� an update was
needed, He said it was given to Comstock & Davis� Inc, for an_.update
of the figures and to make the appropriate changes. He said that Staff
had only indicated minor changes that they wanted.
Mr. Boardman said that the Plan basically was indicating ihai ihe City
of Fridley had an adequate sewer system to handle total development.
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PLAAtNING COMMISSION MEETING - MAY 3, 19?8 Pa�e 2 13 A
Mr. Boardman quoted the last paragraph on Page 13, '�In addressing urban
storm water run-off problems in the area outside of the jurisdiction
of the Rice Creek �atershed Board, the City of Fridley should develop
attd adopt guidelines �hich will conform to the requirements of the Water
Resources chapter of the Metropolitan Development Guide." Ae said
that Fridley was presently developing guidelines under the Critical
Areas for runoff into the Mississippi River, He said that those guide-
lines would regulate the quoted statement. He said that a statement
�ould be added indicatin� where the guidelines could be found.
Mr. Boardman said that there were maps available that hadn`t been included
in the booklet that the Commission members had before them, He showed
the full-sized maps to the Commission.
The first map was the Sanitary Sewer System in Fridley.
The second map was the Sanitary Sewer System service
The third map was 1/Condition C" that was referred to
Comprehensive Sewer Plan. He said it indicated some
changes that had taken place to appropriately handle
system.
The fourth map (referred to as Figure 8) was of the
Storm Sewer System.
areas.
in the
boundary
the sewer
Fridley
The fifth map (referred to as Figure 9) was the Storm Sewer
Districts.
The sixth map (referred to as Figure 10) was of the Flood Plains
and Wet Lands of Fridley.
Mr. Boardman explained each of the maps to the members of the Planning
Commission and they had an opportunity to review each of the maps.
Mr. Boardman said that each of the ��Conditions�� referred to throughout
the Plan were expl ained on Page 5 of the Comprehensive Sewer Plan.
Mr. Boardman stated that the City of Fridley was considered a fully
developed area.
Chairperson Harris said that each of the members should read the
Comprehensive Sewer Plan and it would be disG�ssed at a future Planning
Commission meeting.
2. CONTINUED: DISCUSSION ON ENERGY COMMISSION
Mr. Boardman said that the direction from the City Council was that if
an Energy Commission or Committee was to be set up� then it uvas up to
the Planning Commission to set up a format and establish what direction
that the City should go with an Energy Policq. He said that a scope
to operate under had to be establ��hed.
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Mr. Boardmatt said that the primary thing that should be accomplished
was to try to put together some policy or comprehensive report on what
the City could do for the people as far as Energy Conservation.
Mr. Langenfeld said that "Energy+� was really a broad subject.
Mr. Boardman felt that ��professional" people who were knowledgeable
in the Energy Conservation field should help comprise the future
Energy Commission.
Ms. Schnabel asked how many people would comprise the Committee on
Energy.
Mr. Boardman suggested that it be between five and eight people to
serve on the Energy Committee.
Chairperson Harris asked what the direction would be to the six to
eight people that would be on the Energy Committee.
Mr. Boardman suggested that the directive could be ���hat the City
can do to promote Energy conservation in Commercial/Industrial��.
��What can the City do to promote the conservation of Energy in
residential.�� ++What can the City do to promote Energy Conservation
in the Public realm.+�
Chairperson Harris said that the point should be reached where the
City has an Energy Policy.
Mr. Boardman said that the City of Fridley needed an Energy Policy
that the City will follo�.
Mr. Boardman said that the Planning Commission should establish the
guidelines for the Energy Committee. He said that the primary focus
should be what the Gity could do to promote energy conservation. He
said that the Planning Commission shoul.d layout specific points that
should be covered so that the Energy Commission would have some
direction as to what to direct their efforts to.
Chairperson Aarris said that the first thing to be done was to
decide on the eight people that would be on ihe Energy Commission.
He said that an attempt should be made to have all the members of
the commission residents of the City of Fridley. Ae said that the
people from NSP and Minnegasco that are professionals on the subject�
should be utilized as resources to information by the Energy Committee.
Chairperson Harris and Ms. Suhrbier suggested people that they knew
were interested in serving on the Energy Committee.
Mr. Boardman suggested that it be advertised in the paper that the
City of Fridley was setting up an Energy Committee. He said it
would be indicated that anyone interested should send their qualifications
to the City Plannin� Commission.
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Mr. Boardman said that the members of the Planning Commission should
decide what direction the Committee should actually go.
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by
discussion ott the Energy Commission.
the motion carried unanimously.
3.
Mr. Langenfeld, to continue the
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye,
MOTION by Mr. Oquist� seconded by Mr. Langenfeld, to receive Community
Development Commission minutes of April 11, 1978.
Mr. Langenfeld said that he felt the presentation by Mr. Erno on
the Tax Abatement Procedure and General State Tax Struciure was
very interesting,
Mr. Boardman felt that the most important thing he learned that the
only true ta�c relief could be noticed by getting a cantrol on
government priorities. He said that Mr. Erno had stated that the
only true tax relief was getting controls on the cost of government.
Mr. Oquist said that Mr. Erno had indicated that the main reason for
property tax was to pay for government. He had said that the value
of the house did not improve the services recei:ved by that property.
He said it was merely a way to obtain more dollars to help pay for
the cost of government.
Mr. Boardman said that he had been very impressed by Mr. Erno's
presentation.
IIPON A VOICE VOTE� all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
The minutes were receined at 8:45 P.M.
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MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld� seconded by Mr. Oquist� to receive the
April 18, 1978, Environmental Quality Commission minutes.
Mr. Langenfeld suggested that the Commission receive the Recycling
Committee Report; however he asked that it be held until recommendations
are received from the Environmental Quality Commission.
Mr. Langenfeld referenced the discussion the commission had on the
"Non-Point Source Pollution Seminar*?,, He said that at the next
Environmental Quality Commission meeting� Ms. Mueller of the M�P.C,A.�
would be sending two 15-minute slide shows with audio cassette tapes
regarding the ��Non-Point Source Pollution Introduction". He said
that the meeting would be open to the Public and indicated to the
Planning Commission members that it would be an interesting presentation.
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Mr. Langenfeld said that he was most pleased with the Recycling
Project Committee,
UPON A VOICE VOTE, all voting aye, the motion carried unanimously.
The minutes were received at 8:56 P.M�
MOTION by Mr. Langenfeld, seconded by Ms. Schnabel, that the City
name an authorized liason to participate in regards to the Anoka
County Airport reclassification hearings and meetings. Upon a voice
vote, all voting aye� the motion carried unanimously.
5. RECEIVE APPEALS COMMISSION MiNIITES•• APRIL 25. 1�78
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel� seconded by Mr. Storla, that the Planning
Commission receive the Appeals Commission minutes of April 25� 1978.
Upon a voice vote, all voting aye, the moticmn carried unanimously.
6. OTHER BIISINESS
A. Minnesota Department of Natural Resources, Forestry Division -
fire weather conditions
Mr. Langenfeld submitted a news release from the Minnesota
Department of Natural Resources. The ATews Release described
four fire weather conditions. He felt it involved the City
of Fridley in regards to brush fires.
ADJOIIRI$MENT
MOTION by Ms. Schnabel, seconded by Mr. Oquist� to adjourn the Ma,y 3v �978�
Planning Commission meeting. Upon a voice vote, all voting aye�
Chairperson Harris declared the meeting adjourned at g:11� P,M.
Respectfully submitted,
Mar� yLe�e Carhill ,
Reeording Secretary
ATTACHMENT TO Planning Commission Minutes
, of May 3, 1978
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f�ote to news editors and news directors: Following is an explanation
of the termipology used by the �dinnesota Department of Natural Resources,
forestry division, to describe fire weather conditions. You may find this
useful when presenting news stories on fire conditions in your own area.
Clear Status - The vegetation is green or the ground is
snow covered. If one of the other three
stages is in effect and a soaking rain
occurs, the stage can revert back to clear.
Relative humidity is 40X or more. The
ignition component is low. Fires will not
spread or will spread slowly.
Precaution Status - The vegetation is in a cured or
transition (between green and cured) state.
The ignition component is moderate to high.
Fires will spread presenting a hazard to
rural buildings, plantations, crops, and
human life.
Watch Status - The vegetation is in a transition or cured
state (between green or cured). The
ignition component is high to very high.
Fuel moisture in the dead fuels is low.
Probability of strong winds and/or low
humidities are present. Fires are
difficult to control, potential for
damage is high.
Warning Status - The vegetation is cured. Live vegetation
is approaching or at thP wilting stage.
Humidities less than 30%. There is a high
probability of numerous wildfires. High
probability that when a wildfire starts it
will be extremely difficult to control
without an improv�nent in the weather. The
probability for large fires of project
proportions is threatening.
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